Don’t Joke About Bigfoot. Bigfoot Is Real! - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 495

Tonight’s guest, Kirk Brandenburg, is a Sasquatch investigator who is based in Washington State. Kirk does most of his investigating in the Cascade Mountains but occasionally heads over to the Olympics or North Central Washington to look for evidence. Kirk has been interested in Sasquatch for as long as he can remember but what really set the hook in him was a conversation he had with a coworker, at a work-related party. You see, at that party, one of Kirk’s coworkers told him about a Sasquatch encounter he’d had. After listening to that coworker talk about his experience, Kirk had officially caught the Bigfoot bug. Never in his wildest dreams did Kirk ever think he’d go on to have his own experiences with Sasquatch but that’s exactly what happened. He also never would have thought he’d be responsible for helping to develop a new technology for more effective thermal vision technology but that’s exactly what he went on to do. On tonight’s show, he’s going to share some of his experiences with you and talk about that new thermal vision technology. We hope you’ll tune in, so you can listen to him do that.

Kirk has a YouTube channel called “Study Sasquatch.” If you’d like to check it out his Study Sasquatch YouTube Channel, which we hope you will, please visit…

https://www.youtube.com/@studysasquatch

Here’s a link to part 1 of the New Mexico video Kirk mentioned…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQmXqMqELM

Here’s a link to part 2 of the New Mexico video Kirk mentioned…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP4EbmWwfqU

Here’s a link to the Log Peeker Video Kirk mentioned filming in the Blue Mountains…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANf3UoovssM

Here’s a link to the video where Kirk, Doug Howe, and Boyd Omer went back to the North Cascades to revisit the place where Kirk had his sighting…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxgjgBV9YIE

If you’ve had a Sasquatch sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. I’d love to hear from you.

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Thanks, as always, for listening!

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Kirk Brandenburg. I'm a sasquatch researcher based
in Washington State and I primarily work in the Cascades.
Sometimes I'll drift over to the Olympics as well, or
even North central Washington, but most of the time I'm
in the central and southern Cascades of Washington. And I

(00:38):
first got into this subject when I was at a
work party and a friend told me about his sasquatch encounter,
and it totally amazed me. I'd always had an interest
in the subject, but after hearing his encounter and how
he told it, it really had an effect on me.
He's always a life of the party and joking and everything,

(01:00):
and we were all laughing at his jokes, and then
I made a comment something like, uh, like, that's as
silly as Bigfoot, and all of a sudden, all the
joy I left his face and he got super serious
and said, don't joke about that. That stuff's real, and
I cornered him later and said, why did you have

(01:21):
such a reaction, And then he told me about his
encounter and how he saw two sasquatches walking on a
road when he was delivering a dozer to a logging site,
and that had an effect on me to the point
where I thought, I got to start looking into this more.
I've always had an interest, but I got to get deeper,
and so I started researching on the internet. Found the

(01:45):
BFRO so that they had expeditions and at the time,
they had what was called the Blueboards on the BFRO
website and they would post synopsis or a report of
the expedition results when they would have expeditions. And there

(02:05):
was an expedition in Washington where the Sasquatches were walking
through the camp and there were multiple witnesses who saw them,
and I thought, wow, that's amazing. I got to get
involved in this, and so in nine I signed up
for my first BFRORO expedition here in Washington, and within
two years after that, I was organizing BFRO expeditions and

(02:28):
leading them. And I became an investigator with the BFRO
and ended up leading i'd say about ten expeditions. I
don't know, I've lost track, but it's a great way
to get involved in the subject, to meet people who
are interested in the subject, and to learn and then

(02:49):
go from there. I was encouraged people who are new
to the subject to consider signing up for a BFRO expedition. Yeah.
I know it costs a little bit of money, but
what you get from it is it's definitely worth it.
So I got into the subject then. And then one
of the new things coming on board was thermal cameras,

(03:11):
an ability to see in the dark, and they were
better than night vision devices. And one of the things
that often happened in my early camping trips research trips
with friends was my friends would see shadows moving between
trees and they do I say, I think there's a
big foot right over there. When during night walks, you know,

(03:34):
and I let my imagination run wild with them, and
it was fantastic. They were a bigfoot everywhere. And then
I got my hands on a thermal camera in twenty ten,
and we'd go on these same night walks and my
friends would be seeing bigfoots everywhere, and I'd look with
the thermal camera and I'd say, Nope, nothing there, Oh,

(03:56):
there's a bigfoot over there, I'd look and Nope, nothing there,
and I had an epiphany. I realized that people were
people were operating on hope and hype and letting their
imaginations run undisciplined, and I didn't want to be part

(04:17):
of that. I wanted reality, I wanted science, I wanted data.
I wanted something that was real. And my friends were
imagining these things running all over and the thermal camera
was showing that what they thought was there wasn't there.
And so I really got into thermal and in the

(04:39):
early days after twenty ten, I kind of became the
thermal guy in sasquatch research up here in Washington, and
I would always run my thermal camera during camping to
research trips, and run it overnight to to observe the

(05:01):
perimeter of the camps. And that's how I got my
first thermal video of what I believe is a sasquatch
in twenty eleven at a New Mexico BFRORO expedition. And
it's not the greatest. It does show a classic sasquatch

(05:21):
shape when zoomed in, but it's a long distance. It's
like one hundred and fifty yards away or more. And
it happened when it was really cold during a BFRORO
expedition and we had a big bonfire going in the
camp in the base camp, and I figured that I

(05:45):
would aim at toward what I thought would be the
point of approach where sasquatch would feel most comfortable up
on a ridge, and I set my thermal camera up
to record in that direction overnight. But just before before
I went to my tent to go to sleep, I
decided i'd scan one last time the perimeter with the

(06:07):
thermal camera and I saw this heat signature. Now, the
heat signature stood out from the surrounding trees, but there
are some other trees that were glowing as well. When
wind causes friction or their sap flowing or different conditions,

(06:29):
tree trunks can glow. And I was kept looking at
this trying to determine is that a biological heat signature
or as in an animal or a tree that's simply glowing.
And eventually I thought, I can't tell that must be
a tree, So I stopped, stopped looking with my handheld

(06:50):
and I did not pursue it. I didn't walk toward it,
and I always regret that I should have walked out
to that thing, but I got recorded anyway quartered overnight,
and the next day a participant said something was moving
around to the south of camp exactly where I had
my thermal pointing. But I didn't get anything more recorded

(07:11):
overnight other than what I had recorded when I was
holding the thermal in my hand looking through it, and
it became known as the New Mexico Thermal Bigfoot video
and Finding Bigfoot. The TV show eventually went on to
use it in their New Mexico episode. So that was

(07:32):
my fifteen minutes of fame being involved in that TV show.
It was fun meeting the gang, the cast members. So
that was my first thermal experience, and I believe I
had another one later in the Blue Mountains of southeast Washington.

(07:52):
I again set the thermal camera up to monitor where
there was a game trail, and I thought, sasquatch, I
come in on that game trail and observe our camp
at night, and there's a log laying across the trail,
and then right behind the log, as observing from our camp,

(08:13):
the ground dropped off quickly in elevation, and overnight something
around like basketball head heat signature kept peeking slowly over
the top. Of the log and then dropping quickly. It
happened about five times, and that video, along with my

(08:36):
new Mexico video thermal videos, are both on my YouTube channel.
Study Sasquatch and if you look at the log peaker,
he comes up slowly, drops quickly, and I've tried to
make it into a bear, but the shape of the
bear head isn't right. Not a deer. The deer and

(08:59):
the ear would be prominent. Same with a bear. You'd
be able to see the ears. It's too big for
a raccoon and doesn't move like a raccoon, and I've
tried to turn it into some other animal because that's
kind of my the way I roll. I always say,

(09:22):
find any alternative explanation first, and if you once you've
eliminated all other possible explanations, then you can consider a sasquatch.
And that's where I've come with the New Mexico video
and with the log picker video from the Blue Mountains.
I've not been able to come up with what else

(09:44):
it could be. So those are my two video thermal
videos that I think are sasquatches. But then the most
interesting encounter I had was a daylight siding of a
sasquatch in the North Cascades National Park of Washington. What

(10:07):
happened was my friend Doug and I would go to
the North Cascades National Park. And to get there you
drive into Canada. You drive to Hope, British Columbia, and
then south from there into the North Cascades National Park.

(10:32):
I like to joke that it's the only national park
in America used by mostly Canadians because you drive in
there and all the cars of Canadian plates and in
the parking lot, it's kind of funny. Anyway, we got there.
We hike in. It's a six mile hike from the
Ranger Station parking area. And what's unique about this location

(10:57):
is that it's an alpine lake that has a marsh
on the west end, and in the spring, the snow
melts floods the lake and the silt drops down and
creates a perfect substrate for leaving tracks. And the best
times are July and August and September to go there,

(11:22):
And the location is covered with mosquitoes, and so most
campers don't like to go there because of that reason.
In fact, it's so unpopular that when you try to
reserve the campsite even the rangers have never heard of it.

(11:42):
And so the mosquitoes feed the frogs, and there are
several frogs bouncing around in the marsh, and we think
that the sasquatches like to feed on the frogs, and
that's why they leave the tracks in the marshy meadow.
I first found this location thanks to a fellow named

(12:02):
John Andrews, who's famous for recording the vocalizations from Stevens Pass, Washington.
John would go up there and have incredible experiences. He
told my friend Doug about it, and then Doug took
me there and we had incredible experiences. Well, one year,
Doug and I went in August and we got there

(12:24):
and there were no tracks in the marsh anywhere. And
then that night it rained hard, thunderstorms, high winds, and
then eventually it passed, and early in the morning I
got up and went out to check for tracks, not
expecting any dude to the conditions all night, and sure

(12:45):
enough there were two trackways walking through the marsh. One
was six and a half inches long each footprint, and
the other one was seven and three quarters inches long.
And that's what John Andrews and even the rangers have
found about this location. Over the years, the rangers go
in in the spring and they find barefoot tracks in

(13:08):
the snow when they know nobody's been back there, and
they're never longer than eight inches long. And Doug has
found tracks up there. And now on this trip, Doug
and I found these tracks. And here we are after
the thunderstorm all night and I found these two trackways

(13:28):
and they were just remarkable, and I documented them with
photographs and videos. And the substrate was so perfect that
the tracks on the bottom of the feet they left
dermal ridges. You could see it clearly. And we did

(13:49):
not take any casting material on that trip, and we
determined that we would come back as soon as we could,
and we came back in October, two months later, and
we hauled casting material. It's never fun to add weight
to your back on a backpacking trip, but we had

(14:11):
to get this casting material up there. So we got
there in October. And it was funny, if you remember,
back in the days, there was a time when there
was a government shut down and all the national parks closed,
and this was during that time, and we just walked
past the sign and said, well, we're going in anyway.

(14:32):
So we went in and we got to the camp
and sure enough we found two trackways when we arrived
fresh that had just been laid down, but the vegetation
in the marsh had grown over the last two months,
and so the substrate wasn't as perfect. But we took photographs, videos,

(14:52):
and this time we got casts. We carried enough material
to make two casts and they turned out pretty well.
So later on I was involved in a project with
the Olympic Project and I showed all of these photographs
and the casts to doctor Jeff Meldrum and he looked

(15:15):
at him and ponder thought, and then he turned to
me and said, well, yeah, pointing at the pictures and
the casts, you can see here from this tendon and
this area over here, and that, you know, pretty much
all went over my head. I'm not a physical anthropologist
like he is. Anyway, the bottom line was, he said,

(15:37):
these are not human footprints. And he said, let me
know if he get any more data from that location,
and so I assured him I would. Unfortunately, we have
not we found any more tracks from that location, but
I did have a sighting close by, and I'll explain
that in a moment. So, based on the track finds

(16:01):
from John Andrews, Doug Howe, my friend, and myself. Through
the years, we continued to visit the site, and one year, myself,
Doug Howe, Kurt Hipke, and John Bronson all hiked into
the location here in the North Cascades National Park where

(16:24):
I'd found the tracks in Castidam. We were camped at
the lake site and everything was quiet, nothing was happening.
So what we decided to do was hike a couple
more miles to another camp that was further into the wilderness.
And so we packed up and hiked down to that camp,

(16:49):
and it was just after sunset when we arrived, and
we found that it was occupied. Normally the camp is
empty when we're up in the area and we're exploring,
and it was occupied by twelve high school girls and
two older female guides. So fourteen ladies in total were

(17:13):
in the camp. And we sat out on the main trail,
or stood out on the main trail for a while
pondering like, okay, well, where are we going to camp now?
It's almost dark. We got to find a spot to
set up, and we don't want to camp in there
and make these ladies uncomfortable. We're eight miles into the

(17:34):
wilderness from the nearest Ranger Station parking lot and four
guys come into their camp. They're not going to be happy.
We didn't want to make them uncomfortable. So we were
contemplating what we would do, and Doug and Kurt said, well,
let's go in and talk to the gals anyway, and

(17:56):
Johnny and I said, no, we're just going to stay
out here. Don't want to freak him out. So Johnny
and I stayed down on the main trail. Doug and
Kurt walked in the trail, which is about twenty yards
off the main trail, into the camp and they were
going to go talk to the ladies see if they'd

(18:18):
had any sasquatch or weird activity going on regarding possible
sasquatch encounter. And so as Doug and Kirch are walking
into the ladies camp, all fourteen of the ladies are
sitting around the fire pit and a picnic table that

(18:39):
was there made out of logs, and they were all
looking at Doug and Kurt. Doug and Kurt, We're both
looking at them, trying to be friendly, and Johnny and
I are on the main trail and I'm watching the
whole scene unfold, and where we're standing on the main

(18:59):
trail is higher in elevation. As you go into the
camp it drops a little bit. So I'm looking over
the top of Dug and Kurt's head, and I'm looking
over the top of all the ladies in the camp.
And as Dug and Kurt are within maybe ten yards
of the ladies, I noticed behind the ladies movement and

(19:26):
what's back there is a very large tree that had
broken off about seven feet high. And this tree, probably
from the wind, broke off about seven feet from the
ground and then fell over and broke into more segments

(19:48):
big chunks of log. And one of the chunks of
log was leaning against the seven foot stump at a
forty five degree angle. What I saw was a bipedal

(20:08):
dark figure running from the stump down the forty five
degree angle log leaning against it to the ground, and
then it turned and ran into the woods behind the ladies.
And as it ran, it was jumping back and forth

(20:31):
left and right, left and right, kind of like if
you've ever seen that Ninja Warrior athletic competition TV show
where the participants jumped from slanted platform to slanted platform
left to right, left, to right. That's what it looked
like it was doing. And then it disappeared into the woods.

(20:56):
None of the ladies noticed it. I asked later, Dug Kurt.
They didn't notice it because they were all focused on
each other. I was looking over the whole scene and
I could see it behind the ladies, But at the time,
my mind told me that it was a child. I thought, oh, wow,

(21:19):
that kids having a ball running around out here in
the woods, and he's really athletic and having a good time.
And I didn't think much more of it other than
that kids having a great time. Doug and Kurt came
back after talking to the ladies and we decided to

(21:41):
go back up trail and camp in a different location.
And I asked Doug and Kurt, well, okay, what's the
story from the camp and they said, oh, it's just
twelve high school girls and they're two adult guides. They're
on a trip for graduating from high school. And I said, oh,

(22:09):
what about the children in camp and Doug said, no,
there are no children in camp. And I said, yes,
there are children in camp. I saw one, and Doug says, no,
it's just the twelve I school girls and they're two guides.
Nobody else is in camp, and I said, Doug, there's

(22:31):
a child in that camp and he said, no, Kirk,
there isn't. I said, all right, something's going on, and
I obviously started putting the puzzle pieces together. And based
on the tracks that we had found through the years
and the casts and the photographs and doctor Meldrum's conclusion,

(22:54):
we had determined that based on the size of the
tracks and the depth of their sinking into the substrate,
that we were looking at creatures that were about four
feet tall and muscular, either fat or muscular, but living
out in the woods, we'd have to go with muscular.

(23:16):
And so I got to think, in wo wow, the
thing I saw, what I thought was a human child,
would fit the size of what we're looking for. That's
leaving these tracks about four feet tall. So the next
morning we got up and the ladies we heard them
leave at sunrise, and so they were out of there,

(23:39):
and we packed up camp, went back down to the
camp that the ladies had now abandoned, and we did
a recreation, and sure enough, the object of the subject
that I saw was four feet tall, and my recollection

(23:59):
is that it was all dark in color, uniform color,
but I chalked it up at the time that due
to the distance that I didn't see the differentiation of
colors and the clothing when I thought it was a child.
But then once I realized it wasn't a child, it
was the subjects that were leaving the tracks at the

(24:20):
marsh in the lake, I realized that it was most
likely all one uniform color, the long hair covering its body.
And Doug got up onto the stump to try to

(24:40):
figure out why it had jumped down from there, and
what he realized was that when the tree broke off,
creating the stump, it left the outer cambium layer and
bark for about four feet and as you stood the
top of the stump, you could be concealed by this

(25:06):
ue shaped horseshoe shaped layer of bark and cambium layer
that had remained on the top of the stump when
the tree broke off. And then there's this slit in
the middle of this well you could call a shield
that only enables you to see directly into the camp

(25:27):
where the ladies were. And we speculated that this creature
was on top of that stump, behind that shield of
bark and cambium layer and observing the ladies in camp
when we arrived. The time is a little bit unusual though,
because it wasn't dark. The sun had set, but there

(25:50):
was still plenty of light and somehow it had gotten
onto that stump without them noticing it although it wasn't
dark yet. That's something I've never been able to fully understand.
But humans are notorious for not paying attention to what's
going on around them, so I can definitely see thanks

(26:12):
to some vegetation that would obscure the sitelines and paying
attention to the fire pit. And I think they were
also eating that the ladies wouldn't notice, and that the
subject would have been able to sneak into the position
to take that observation post on top of the stump.
And I have revisited this location and back in September

(26:39):
twenty twenty four and made a complete video showing everything,
describing everything, and people who are interested in my encounter
what I saw can look at that video on my
study Sasquatch YouTube channel to get a better understanding of
the whole layout. But so it was interesting because we

(27:05):
found the tracks and then finally saw what is probably
leaving the tracks and a lot of people wonder why
is it so small, why is it only four feet tall? Well,
some people speculate that it's a valley where the sasquatches
park their children for the summer, kind of like sending

(27:28):
them to summer camp rookery, if you will, and the
kids are left there to take care of themselves, so
to speak, and monitor humans and learn about them by
watching them. Another theory is that it's a different species.

(27:50):
It's a small stature species that's different than the common
sasquatch that's seen more often that's a larger size. One
thing that's interesting is that the Native American traditions in
north central Washington south central British Columbia have a oral

(28:13):
tradition of a small of stature wild man of the
woods that is about four feet tall, not large like
the standard sasquatch the most people think of. There are
other pockets, like there's an area on the border between

(28:34):
Idaho and Montana in central Idaho where it borders Montana
south west Montana where similar situation is set up a
lake with a marsh and tracks have been found that

(28:55):
are less than eight inches and local lore says there
is a wild man of the woods there as well.
That's small of stature, around four feet tall, and so
it's possible that there is another species out there, and
that's what I lean toward. I don't think it's a rookery.
I don't think it's young being parked there from the

(29:17):
larger sasquatches, because we've never found any tracks longer than
eight inches, and they don't they act like curious teenagers,
which is what I think is often accountable for encounters

(29:39):
and activity in camps when you're dealing with the large sasquatches.
But these guys are often interactive. When we camp at
the mosquito ridden Lake, they do all kinds of wood
knocks and scamper through and around our camp. One thing

(30:01):
that's really unique at this mosquito ridden lake is that
there's a large rock in the west end of the marsh,
and the marsh is surrounded by willow trees. And we
will go out there and take a stick, sturdy stick,

(30:24):
and we'll whack on the rock a sequence of numbers,
like we'll hit it three times, and we'll hit it
five times, and we'll hit it seven times, whatever the
sequence is, and then we'll leave an audio recorder running,
and we'll walk back to our camp about two hundred
and fifty yards away, and the audio recorder has picked up,

(30:48):
coming from the south up the slope of the nearby mountain,
a matching sequence of wood knocks. If we did it
three five and seven times on the rock we walk away. Later,
within ten minutes from the woods will come three five
and seven knocks. So we think it's these shorter, these

(31:12):
four foot tall creatures who live up there who are
interacting with us. It's fascinating location, fascinating experiences, and I
was finally able to see one. We think that the
guy I saw was observing the ladies. It's possible that
he was just curious because there were humans out there.

(31:32):
It's also curious that there was a gender influence, that
it was a young male observing the human females and
that that was the object of his curiosity. But regardless,
I saw it and it matched the description of what
we were expecting from the footprints we've been finding. And

(31:53):
it's just a fascinating area to go up there, and
I'll be trying to return as often as I can.
It was difficult during COVID because you couldn't travel freely
across the border, but once all those restrictions lifted last year,
we were back up there. I'll probably be going again
in twenty twenty six. So those were my sightings, the

(32:18):
two thermal video recordings I got, and then the daylight
siding in the North Cascades National Park, and that all
leads back to my getting involved in the subject through
thermal imaging, using thermal cameras, trying to get real video
evidence of these creatures and not letting my imagination run

(32:40):
wild and think that something's out there that really isn't.
And so the thermal aspect is what I have continued
to pursue. I would use the video outworks on my
handheld thermal camera I Fleer HS three twenty four, because

(33:01):
if you recorded onboard with the unit, it would record
in a lower resolution, but if you use the video outport,
I would get a higher resolution image in my videos.
And so I found a DVR with motion detection and
would record to that using the thermal cameras video outport.

(33:22):
And then my friend Nathan was at the same time,
unbeknownst to me, developing thermal camera systems and developing systems
that would run for long term, and we got to
know each other and came to a meeting of the
minds and developed some interesting thermal technology that nobody else

(33:47):
is using today. We have thermal recording units we call
them tru Truths that can operate for up to three
weeks in the wild in the remote location and record
thermal video twenty four hours a day three weeks and
it's all the videos are triggered by motion detection motion activation.

(34:13):
And we have formed a project called the Sasquatch Surveillance
Project and we have members of Nathan Bronis, Bart Catino,
boyd Omer, Chris Spencer, Rebecca Slick Spencer, and myself. We

(34:34):
are currently running six of these units and servicing the
equipment every two to three weeks and reviewing the video.
And we have not yet gotten a sasquatch on thermal
video in the approximate a little over a year that
we've been running them, but we remain enthused to to

(35:00):
the project and determine that eventually it will happen. We
have some active locations where we get a lot of
activity in terms of wood knocks and vocalizations, but as
many people know who have been in the subject for
very long, they know that These sasquatches are not stupid.

(35:23):
They're very aware, very knowledgeable, very very keen on knowing
what's going on around them. And trailcams don't work very
well because they can see them, hear them, smell them.
But our thermal cameras are inserted into metal AMMO cans

(35:46):
and so there is no light emitted, there's very very
little electronic sound emitted, and it blocks the EMF because
the metal cans are essentially a Faraday cage and so
there's no MF able to be de detected, and it

(36:09):
also subdues any odors. So what we do is we
bury these AMMO cans containing the battery and the thermal
equipment into hillsides, into stumps, into logs, and then bury
them in moss. It's quite convenient here in western Washington

(36:29):
that there's a lot of moss and it's a great
material to work with to conceal and camouflage our equipment.
We've tried to set up our equipment in eastern Washington
where there's no moss, and it's a lot harder. You
have to use sticks and chunks of bark, et cetera.

(36:52):
And the concealing isn't as effective, as in western Washington
with the moss. So we've had hunters that we've recorded
standing right in front of our thermal cameras looking at
the thermal cameras and they don't even see them because
all that is sticking out all The only thing that's
possibly visible is the round lens, and even that we

(37:16):
use a five micron thick layer of plastic over the
lens which thermal can see through, but it takes off
the reflection the sheen that the lens could possibly throw off,
reflection of the light from the sun that somebody could
possibly see it, including a sasquatch. So we were doing

(37:39):
everything in terms of concealing and reducing possible detection by
both humans and sasquatch. Protecting against humans so there's no
damage or theft, protecting against sasquatches so that they want
to know what's there and they'll walk in front of it.
So far that hasn't happened, but we remain determined and
believe that it will happen. I am one hundred percent

(38:03):
convinced that these are physical beings. They eat, poop, breed, sleep,
and they leave behind trace, and that they are not
interdimensional or spiritual I simply follow the evidence. I know

(38:23):
there are a lot of people that think otherwise, but
the evidence that we've encountered, that we've seen and experienced
indicate that they're just a very knowledgeable, smart, intelligent, physically
capable and the command their surroundings, and that's how they're

(38:47):
able to avoid our technology. But eventually they have to
make a mistake or eventually we have to get better
at concealing them, and it will happen.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
When it comes to your and what they are, Kirk,
it's obvious that you're an aghpor, but are you open
to the possibility that they just might have abilities that
go above and beyond that.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yes, I definitely think that they are simply used to
being in the woods and using their senses. Human beings
are bombarded daily with radio signals, Wi Fi frequencies, all

(39:33):
kinds of things bombarding our senses, and just living in
cities and the television, the radio, and the traffic, all
the noise from communities, we become desensitized. Where if you
go out and live in the woods like the Sasquatches

(39:54):
do twenty four hours a day their entire lives, your
senses are heightened, your awareness, your knowledge your understanding of
the woods is vastly superior to humans. And so I
think that's their main special ability is that this is
the way they've always lived and they know what's going

(40:16):
on around them. And we come out there and we
install a camera bary it, they probably were watching us.
Or also when you walk into the woods, there's a
ripple effect. The squirrels will chatter, the birds will give
off alarm calls, the ravens will give a special call

(40:38):
their language indicating hey, there's a human or a threat
in the woods. And then that's like a ripple that
spreads through the forest of somebody's here. The sasquatch doesn't
even have to be there watching us for the ripple
to reach them, to let them know that we're there.
And I think that's what happens, that they know that

(41:02):
think that we're installing equipment or leaving equipment behind, that
they're ware of that. They're smart enough to know that
they should avoid, especially if you're in an area where
we've been trying to do most of our work, where
we've been interacting with these sasquatches for a long time.
They learn, they get smart, They figure out what your

(41:25):
intent is, what you're trying to accomplish, and they can
read body language. I think they're experts at reading body language.
They can just see how a human is moving and
determine what their intent is because if you're moving a
certain way, like you're trying to hunt, they can see

(41:45):
that and they go, Okay, that guy's hunting. If you're
out there looking for mushrooms, you move a different way
and they say, oh, that guy's looking for mushrooms, etc.
And so they can figure this stuff out. And so
we're currently looking for new areas where we want to
go where sasquatches who live in different areas have been

(42:07):
less less interfered with or have had less interaction with humans,
and the hopes that possibly we can find sasquatches who
are less onto us. They haven't figured out what we're
trying to do quite as well yet, and so hopefully

(42:29):
then we could maybe go in install cameras and the
sasquatches would be more cooperative in terms of walking walking
in front of them.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I used to be convinced, without a doubt that these
guys were just flesh and blood creatures that didn't have
any special abilities. But I've got to tell you Kirk,
because time has gone by and I've spoken with so
many very credible eyewitnesses who reported seeing them do things
that could only be explained away by them having special abilities,

(43:00):
just don't know anymore. I mean, there have been so
many people who when I got into this about twenty
years ago, and I'm not a researcher, but nonetheless, when
I got into this about twenty years ago, these were
people who, I mean, they presented it as they would
never buy into the possibility that these guys had any
special abilities. But now present day, those same people they

(43:23):
swear up and down they've experienced them do things that
could only be explained away by them being able to
do things that are well above and beyond what a
flesh and blood creature could do. So I'm not really
sure what to think about that.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Granted, if I had experienced some phenomenon that friends have
reported or other researchers have reported, such as mind speak
or being frozen, were put to sleep, or or things
like that, I would follow the evidence. But myself and

(44:03):
my colleagues have not experienced that. Why, I don't know.
I don't have an explanation. I don't know if the
people who do experience. It are experiencing some type of
spiritual phenomenon or some type of physical phenomenon that is
a result of their brains, their electronic circuitry, if you will,

(44:28):
being wired differently than mine. I don't know, but all
I can do is put myself out there to get
my own experiences, to reach my own conclusions, and follow
the evidence that I encounter, and that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, you're right, that's all you can do, and you
can only work with the experiences that you have with
these guys. I mean, you might have some people who
are around them all the time for years and they
never experienced anything that you would even think would be
something to do with supernatural abilities or spiritual ones. So yeah,

(45:09):
you'll have that. I mean, all you can do is
just deal with what you've experienced, and that's it. What
would you say has been the most profound thing you've
learned about them in all the years you've been doing
this well?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
With our current project, we've been running it for over
a year and we have not yet gotten a sasquatch
on our thermal cameras, but other people at other times
have gotten them on thermal video, so I know it
can happen. Barcentino has a famous thermal video from the Sierras.

(45:43):
It was a early version of the thermal cameras with
low resolution, and it was having a flaw in the
image quality at the time that made the image quite unimpressive.
But if you review his recreation, the in depth recreation

(46:07):
that they went through, that there's no doubt that those
had to be sasquatches. My two experiences from New Mexico
and the Blue Mountains, I believe those are sasquatches. Other
people Barcatino again before his thermal camera could record. He
in two thousand and seven watched his sasquatch for over

(46:27):
five minutes. I think that was about how long he
watched it at an area called Bumping Lake in Washington.
There are many people who are seeing these creatures with
thermal cameras, so it can happen, and that is the
main thing I've learned through these years is that it's

(46:50):
happened before, it can happen again, and I think just
determination and persistence will help the thermals eventually record the subjects.
What's unique about the thermal is that you can't hide
from it if you're using night vision camouflage still is effective,

(47:10):
but if you're using thermal, every part of a living
creature's body gives off heat and will be seen with
that thermal camera. So if it's hiding behind a bush,
you're still going to get several heat signatures through the
foliage to let you know that it's there and what
a shape is. If you look in that an image

(47:31):
from a trailcam, for instance, you're not going to know
the difference between a stick and a leg, and it's
oft and hard to determine or interpret what the image
is showing. But if you're looking with thermal, then it
will show you the difference between a stick, which will
be cold, and a leg, which will be hot. And

(47:52):
that's why our thermal cameras are currently superior, as they
can see for one thousand feet any image that any
heat signature that is moving, and the motion detection will
trigger and it'll be recorded, whereas a trailcam only sees
maybe eighty one hundred freet at the absolute most, and

(48:15):
then oftentimes if it's at the outer edge of that distance,
it's very difficult to determine what you're even looking at.
That's why you see a lot of these trail camera
photos that just show glowing eyes, you can't see any
of the body, but with thermal you can see everything,
and our cameras will trigger instantly as well. Trail camera,

(48:36):
the image comes in and the sensor has to first
detect it and then has to send a signal to
the camera to turn on and start recording because it's
based on motion first, and then record. Our systems record
the video and instead of a sensor starting the recording

(48:56):
the video, the change in color of the pixels in
the video image starts the recording, and so as soon
as the heat sitting insure enters the side of the
frame of the field of view, it instantly starts recording,
so you get the entire subject as it's moving through
your field of view. And we're going to eventually hope

(49:19):
to make these available for other people to start to
use as soon as the tariffs get worked out between
China and the United States, because we're importing the thermal
cameras from China and it's a very high quality item
with a significant image quality, and we're excited to be
able to bring those two people as soon as the

(49:41):
tariffs get sorted out.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Wow, that's a really impressive technology you guys created.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Hats off too, Thanks Bud. It's been a lot of
work and a lot of time communicating halfway across the
world with our Chin I need a supplier. There's a
language barrier, there's a time barrier, there's a cultural barrier.
But we worked it all out. We also had some

(50:08):
technological problems. We had to have them reprogram things for
us to meet our needs, and it was fascinating when
they found out what we were trying to do. Actually,
they just thought we were a customer with some industrial application.
But then when we had a zoom meeting with them
and explain to them, no, we're using these in the
woods to try to get thermal images of wildlife, including bigfoot,

(50:32):
they were just blown away, like, seriously, you're using our
cameras to try to find bigfoot. And they were really
into it after that, and they were fully on board
helping us get everything programmed the right way so that
their thermal cameras would meet our functional needs.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Oh I bet they were. I'm not sure if you
knew this or not, but over in China they took
the sasquatch phenomenon a lot more seriously than it's taken
over here.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Well, yes, we expected that. It's called the year in there.
But the fellows we were working with, once we started
talking explaining that we were trying to get video of Bigfoot,
they started putting the pieces together and said, oh, yeah,
we have something here similar, and then they started taking

(51:22):
that more seriously. The tech guys that we were working
with did not take it seriously, but then once they
were working with us, they started to get more interested
in the subject.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, this whole Sasquatch thing is a funny way of
doing that to people. I'm not appreciated. At first, they
just brush it off, but the more they find out,
the more seriously tend to take it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Well, well, once you've had sightings or had encounters that
included audio, And that's one of the things that I
failed to mention regarding are YouTube channel is we've had
many audio experiences where we've recorded their vocalizations, We've heard
their vocalizations and experienced them that way, and there's no

(52:09):
other explanation for what could be making those sounds. And
believe me, I've tried, as I said earlier, I try
to eliminate every other possibility before all even consider Sasquatch,
and all my analysis and my conclusions have shown that
the only thing that could be making these vocalizations that
we've recorded on audio, it had to be sasquatch and

(52:34):
I had. In twenty eleven, I recorded what's called the
triple Moan howl, and then in twenty twenty at the
same location, I recorded what's called the Ie singing vocalization,
and they're both quite phenomenal. And in addition, we have
several recordings of wood knocks, rock clocks, rocks being thrown

(52:55):
into camp. One video on our channels called the Bombardment
to where we came in late at night, like about
two am. We arrived at camp set up, and then
about six am some Sasquatches came through and just started
throwing all kinds of material into our camp and then

(53:15):
also pounding on trees' loud power knocks. And it's all recorded,
so you can have audio encounters as well and as
well as seeing them visual encounters, and both of them
are powerful. Once you've experienced, you were determined to seek

(53:39):
answers figure out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
At least I was, well, it's all about the answers
when it comes to sasquatch research, just the topic in general.
There are way too many questions not nearly enough answers.
So I get it, I really do. When you had
that sighting in the North Cascades, you saw the SaaS
watch over the heads of those women, you said, But

(54:02):
how close would you say it would have been to
them or behind them when you first saw it?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Oh? Great, good point. Yes, I would figure that the
sasquatch was about twenty five yards behind the ladies, and
plus it was behind some foliage, and so I could
see it because I was elevated, But if you were
in the camp where the ladies were, it would have

(54:31):
been much more difficult for them to have noticed it,
as well as Doug and Kurt. That's one of the
things that really bothered me was how come Doug and
Kurt were not able to see it as they walked
in and they were looking right in that direction. But
in my revisit to the location, I determined, or I

(54:52):
was able to figure out that where Doug and Kurt
were standing, there's a tree between them and where the
subject was that I I saw, and that tree, the
tree trunk was blocking their view of what I saw,
and that made me feel better, because, like, how could
I see it from where I was, but Doug and

(55:13):
Kurt couldn't because they both had good vision and were
very aware. But the reason they weren't able to see
it was because of that obstruction.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
From the way you described them moving in to talk
with those ladies, I got the impression that they were
almost in your line of sight, right between you and
that sasquatch subject. But now it sounds like they were
off to the side a little bit. They weren't that
far off to the side, though, were they.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
No, Doug and Kurt were off to the side because
they were still going in the trail to where the
ladies were, But the sasquatch was pretty much right behind
the ladies twenty to twenty five yards, and in my
line of sight, I had to look directly over the
center of the group of ladies to see the subject

(56:02):
run down the forty five degree angle log and then
off into the woods.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
That makes sense, Okay, Yeah, I heard you see the
ed look over their heads, the women's heads to see
the sasquatch. But yeah, was mixed up on. We're Dug
and Kurt were exactly relative to that. Yes, that makes sense. Now,
you initially thought the sasquatch was a kid, You said,
did a move like a kid? Or did you only

(56:29):
think it was a kid due to its size?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
It is due to the size, yes, and the fact
that there were a bunch of ladies in camp. It
all made sense to me that one of them had
brought their child along and the kid had come along
on the backpacking trip. But I do remember thinking, wow,
that kid is very athletic and agile as it ran

(56:58):
into the woods, bouncing left and right. Why it ran
that way, I'm not sure it might be a defense mechanism,
like if it was make itself more difficult to get
shot at. I have no explanation, but that's what it did.
It was bouncing back and forth left and right as
it ran into the woods away from the camp, and

(57:21):
all I could think of was, Wow, that kid's having
fun and very agile. I didn't know what the train
was like at that time when I saw it, I
kind of thought that it might have been crossing a creek.
And when you run across a creek, you know you're
looking for high spots, rocks or logs that you bounce

(57:46):
back and forth on as you're crossing a creek so
you don't get your feet wet, and that's what it
kind of looked like it was doing. And so I
remember thinking, oh, maybe it's crossing a creek back there
or a marshy area and it's trying not to sink
in and get its feet wet. But I at the
time was only thinking it was a human. It wasn't

(58:06):
until I was informed that it wasn't. That there weren't
any children in camp, and once we did the recreation
confirming its size and that that is exactly the size
we were looking for to match the tracks we found,
that's when it clicked that, Okay, this was most likely

(58:26):
the target subject that we're looking for that's leaving these
tracks behind.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Well, you had every reason to think it was just
a kid, so you can't be faulted for that. Well,
we're about out of time, Kirk, but before we get
out of here, please take this time to promote your
study Sasquatch YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Okay, yeah, I've mentioned it a couple times already because
it contains a lot of the content from our research.
Endeavor to stay away from hype and stick with real
results that we found in terms of audio and thermal
video and track findes and we've made we try to

(59:09):
keep it real and no sensationalism. And it's on YouTube
and the channel is called The Study Sasquatch and you'll
find many videos there from myself, Nathan Bronis, Chris Spencer
and Rebecca Slick Spencer and Boyd Omer and mart Catino

(59:31):
also are part of our group. They help us with
funding and make everything possible and where very grateful for
their involvement and participation.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Well, that's a good team you've put together there. One
last thing, if there was just one video from your
channel that a person could check out, which video would
you recommend?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Return to Nightmare Valley. That's the video that shows the
camp where the ladies were and the stump and the
log that the creature that I saw was located where
it was on the stump and then ran down the
log and everything is explained so you can take the

(01:00:13):
story that I've just shared of my experience and then
look at the video and see the location and put
the whole situation together so you understand it better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Wow, it sounds like you do things the right way
on that channel. That's impressive and for everyone listening if
you want to check out study Sasquatch YouTube channel, which
we hope you do, please go to the description for
tonight's show and you'll find some wings to videos on
that channels. Well's the channel itself, so, like I said,
we definitely hope you check that out. But having said that, Kirk,

(01:00:45):
I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
the details of all those experiences with us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I really appreciate it, all right, Thank you, Vick. It's
been a pleasure to be here in speaking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Well, that goes two ways. Thanks than you in so
much for your time and have a great night. That's
it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff.
If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to
be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot

(01:01:19):
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