November 17, 2025 • 49 mins
In May of 2023, Crystal was sitting at a traffic light, near a well-known landmark in Pennsylvania, when she had a Sasquatch sighting. The landmark is called Horseshoe Curve. Horseshoe Curve is a winding series of curves, bridges, and tunnels that a railroad track winds through and over, near Altoona, Pennsylvania. Crystal had been in that area numerous times, going for hikes and doing various other things. Never, though, had she ever seen anything out of the ordinary. Never had she seen anything that wasn’t supposed to exist. That day, that all changed.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name's Crystal. I go by the I guess you
would say the hashtag or whatever cryptic Crystal if you
see me on YouTube. Live in Pennsylvania. Been born, bred
and raised here, same house my whole life. It's been
in our family since nineteen o two. Just tomorrom with
(00:38):
three kids and Cay have a young son. I have
two older daughters that are in their twenties, and then
I have a young son who at the time that
this kind of happened was eight years older, seven years old.
It was back in May of twenty twenty three. I
(01:00):
have a habit of sometimes dropping him off at school.
I did every day, and then every once in a
while I would go up to containing road and Altuona
is known for the world famous Horseshoe Curve. We were
a railroad town and there's a one lane underpass where
(01:25):
you kind of they have those hollows that you drive
under the mountain. It's usually a one lane underpass. They
have a light on each side, and they let one
side go and let the other side go. But I
had come up to that one lane underpass heading to
that pink trail that I like to go to, the
(01:46):
mountain biking trail, and okay, I would into a red
light there because they were given the other side the
green light. There was nobody coming through, but they still
run it on a time or whatever it is how
they do it. And I looked up and at first
I thought I saw a man, to be honest with you,
(02:07):
that was my first thought. But I'm launching because I'm
at a red light. I'm sitting still, I have nothing
else stand watching. I'm like, that's not a mate. What
the heck is that? What is that? And the reason
it made me think that was that there was no
(02:30):
colored differentiation in like the head to the I would
say middle waste. It was crossing from left to right
where the horseshoe curve is a railroad track, so it
goes around like on a curve, and it's from where
(02:52):
you're sitting at that light. It kind of when you
look up at it, it's against the sky and that
and it's really easy to see. And it would have
been May of twenty twenty three, and it just the
way that it moved, the color of it was very
(03:13):
dark dark. There was no like if you're a railroad worker,
you think you'd be in like gloves and a jacket,
and you know, just in the way that it navigated
across that incline was just insane. And then when it
went into the bushes, like if you're a person and
(03:36):
you're gonna go into the bushes, you're gonna push it
out of your way, you know, and kind of strudge
over it. It didn't do that. It just went straight
into the which I thought was kind of awkward too.
But yeah, there was no color differentiation, no hands, no coat,
(03:56):
no jacket. It was all dark from top to bottom.
The way that incline above because I went back after that,
you can even walk up that incline without grabbing hold
of trees and stuff or crawling very much. It's either
(04:17):
five degrees or works. It's very very straight up. And
she was this thing was navigating it like it was
I don't know, It's like it kind of just glided
across and goes into where the shrubbery begins on the
(04:40):
right hand side, and it just kind of just goes
right in there, doesn't drudge, and the balance of it
would have been impossible for I think any human to
a team. And I'm wanting this and it's a it's
not a busy road at the mountain road. It's not
(05:03):
a lot of people go up there, so nobody had
pulled up behind me, and so I sat there through it,
probably maybe two to three red lights. I waited to
just keep watching and just kind of pondering, what the
heck am I seeing and where did it go? And
(05:24):
I'm waiting for it to pop out, like if it's
a guy, I'm gonna see him pop out somewhere, and
it just it just didn't. And it just didn't. And
in my head, this is the hardest part to explain.
In my head, it just didn't align with what I
(05:48):
know humans are capable. And so and I've been aware
of bigfoot, I've heard that, I've seen the shows and
all that kind of stuff, and I'm like, no, freak away,
not now, Tuna, There's no way, not in my neighborhood.
That's just crazy. But it is what it is. And
(06:10):
I saw what I saw, and so I drove through
the past, went to the pink trail back in, pulled
back out, went straight back home and told my family
about it, like my girls and you know, my sister
and stuff, because we all lived together. And they, of
course did not believe me and thought I was just
(06:32):
being silly and whatnot. But it ignited curiosity in me,
but also it ignited a fear inside of me because
I have gone back up to the Pink Grow after that,
and I couldn't even roll my window down. It's like
(06:53):
I'm a whooper and sit and just watch and see
if I notice any of these things these people were
talking about, these tree bakes or anything like that, and
I couldn't make myself get out of the car. I
could barely make myself roll the window down. I've never
(07:15):
experienced fear like that, or like an unsureness like that.
I've always been very very strong. Did it make me
feel no, kind of a certain kind of way I
(07:39):
didn't like, And so I started watching more and more
of That's when I found Yougybe. That's where I found
the podcast. That's when I found all those kind of
things and started really paying attention and listening. And that's
when looking out the window when you're driving somewhere becomes different,
(08:05):
not looking out the window and is looking at the
pretty scenery or looking at the window for clues for
I don't know, just for something. It might because I
wasn't sir. If I believed what I saw, I'm like, uh,
(08:28):
am I crazy? Like? How do I reassure my own self?
How do I verify within myself? But I saw what
I saw? Why has it created this feeling in me?
(08:48):
This fear in me? Why am I scared? Now? That's
just silly. I'm forty some years old. This is just ridiculous.
I've been going up that mountain since I've been a teenager.
There's no reason, and I've gone up there alone all
(09:09):
my life, and now I can't even roll the window down,
Like what what did it do to me? So I started,
you know, watching the podcast and stuff, and I ran
(09:31):
into a group that I really really liked, that would
have been the Woodwalkers group. And I really really wanted
to get around people who had experiences like mine to
see if I could verified if I'm crazy or not.
(09:54):
And so me and my Center of Alabama for the
first time that gast seventeen hours. I'm not a people person.
I don't like large crowds. I don't like groups, but
I was like, I have to do this, Like I
(10:16):
have to go find out what the heck kid is
going on? And if other people saw what I saw.
So we me and my Center of the Way, Alabama,
and we didn't care about there And it was great
because it helped me took place in myself where I
(10:47):
believed myself, like I know, I know what I saw
that I but I wasn't sure. But I didn't understand
where the fear came from. I didn't understand why I
couldn't go back out in the woods and hang out
and walk trails and stuff like got used to Like
I didn't understand what did that to me? And so
(11:11):
we went there and I got to talk to a
lot of people who had had experienced started explaining what
like boogers at what like Bigfoot, that there's different time,
like I learned so much. And my son's at eight
years old, and we took his electric scooter events and
(11:32):
where if anybody knows Mark Green from, I think it's
Peter Creek Bottoms Farmstick. He's the one that hosted them
the camp out there, and my son had an electric
scooter with a bell on it, and we're down there.
There's one hundred fifty people down there. And I said,
(11:54):
if you're going to ride around down here, you ring
a bell so I know where you are. Ever, you know,
three four minutes, so I have an idea where you
are in this campgrown, okayme on my will. So he's
he's riding around the campground visiting, meeting people and stuff,
(12:18):
which was just a change in his personality because his
father past, he had become so shy. It really wonders
for so taking them there. The people were really great
us emotional for me.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm sorry, No, it's understandable. You've been through a lot.
I'll tell you what. Why don't we take a break.
We'll be right back. Okay, take your time, there's no rush.
(13:00):
I mean, it's not easy when you're growing up and
the world tells you that things like this don't exist,
things like this can't exist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well yeah, okay, yeah. We got to the gat together
and I gave my son was electric skater out and
he had that bell and I said, every three or
four minutes, I went, you ring that bell so I
know where you are in this campground, I said, And
if I hear it, I'm gonna come and looking for you.
So he would ring that bell and ring that bell.
(13:31):
And I don't know if this has anything to do
with what happens next, but I made sure he was
ringing that bell, so I knew where he was. And there,
up where we were camped, there's a circle where if
you were to drive up, your circle around and go
back down, and so you ride that circle ring the
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bell near our tent. I'd hear him ringing it down there,
so I always knew where he was. And then he
pulls up, he stirsty once get a drink and barks
the skeater and he just barks in his chair, sits
(14:17):
in his chair and he's like, I didn't know dogs
can do that. And I looked at him. I said
dogs could do what? Because people there did have dogs,
you know what I mean, they had their pets with them,
some of them. And he said, stand up like that,
and I kind of kind of took a second, and like,
(14:44):
because I had just been watching all these shows, I've
never spoken to my son about were wolves or dog
men or anything like that. I've never mentioned that time.
I just said it. You know, all he knew was
Bigfoot bang on trees and whoop, whoop. You know what
(15:05):
I mean, that's all he knew. He was only eight
and I said, oh yeah, he said yeah. I said, well,
what it looks? I said, that's what it looked like.
It looked like shadow and shadow is our black German shepherd.
And I said, and it was standing up. He said, yeah,
was standing up looking at me. And honestly I was
(15:31):
kind of just frozen and then trying to think, like
what do I say? What do I do? And when
there was people camped around me that were have been
in the field for years, like Wendell Gary Spikes, and
I went straight to him and I said, listen, all
(15:52):
saw something. I'm gonna tell you what he told me.
I said, I don't know what to do. With said,
I don't know what to say. I don't want to
scare him. He's only eight years old. I don't want
to scare him. All it was where he's having the
time of his life and they were just you know,
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so we just told him not to ride down in
that area again. But obviously from what my son described,
it wasn't some big, huge, hulking beast. It was because
it reminds him of our Germans, So think of a
German shepherd. Now ours is quite big. She's tall, but
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stand her up. She's probably about five foot six, probably
about my heights. Yeah, and that's what he saw and
he was none none the like. It didn't even face him.
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He just thought it was a dog standing up. He
just didn't know dogs could do that. And I was
just flabbergosta because we had gone there for my sighting
and to talk about Bigfoot and all that stuff, and
here we go, Selman saw something like that, and I'm
just it was just it just came in. I don't know,
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in the words of Miley Cyrus, it just came in
like a wrecking ball. It just verified so much of
what I have been trying to figure out about what
happened to me. And then he saw what he saw,
doesn't he don't. He's still to this day he's he
doesn't even they know what he saw. He thinks it
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was still a dog. Very well could have been, but
dogs that don't stand up and watch kids ride on
scooters usually like that. They usually bark or whatever. But yeah,
that was that was an experience. It was an absolute experience,
(18:04):
and thank goodness that I had the people around me
that I could literally go and talk to them and
instead of laughing making fun, they're ray liotally talk to
me and give me advice and like were receptive to
(18:28):
what was going on and what I had gone through
and then what happened while we were there, and they
were very receptive and very good people. Like I said,
my sighting was very benign, with the effect.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Deep do you want to take another break?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's pretty much all that happened.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Really, Yeah, well, that's a lot. You went from in
a very short period of time not knowing that sasquatch
were real or any other cryptids we're out there, to
having your own sighting with sasquatch not long at all
after that, your son has a dog me an encounter.
How much trouble have you had in day to day
life just functioning now? These two experiences have happened in
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such quick succession.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's not that it affects my day to day life,
but I can't stop thinking about it. I'm obsessed with
it now. It's like an addiction. I want to know more.
I want to know more. I want to know where
they come from, why they're here, and why don't we
know about this? And my gosh, that was my child.
(19:48):
What about somebody else's child? Your brain goes in so
many ways like it. There's not a day that goes
by well I don't think about it, and that it
is a crazy I adore the people in the subject.
(20:13):
They're most of them almost most of them are absolutely beautiful.
But I used to like hang out where am I
sighting was? I used to hang on up there all
the time, like alone, take walks in the woods alone, alone,
like all by myself. And now I can't do that.
(20:37):
I can't even force myself to do that. I'm getting there.
I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, all in good time. Did that sasquatch that you
saw do anything that made you think that if you
would have been on foot you would have been in
potential danger?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Absolutely? No, it didn't even look my way. It was
just it was like what was it doing? Like was
it going to a post like where it was supposed
to sit lunch? Like it was like it was going
its way to a job. And it was just like
like if you had to go to work and you
had to walk and you were just heading there, you
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know what I mean. That's the body language that it
gave off like it was moving with a purpose to somewhere.
It had to be. There's three reservoirs up there, there's
train tracks, there's the our lines are up there. Absolutely beautiful.
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There a ton of mountain water. There's no reason why
something like that would And we have white tail. I
have white tail in my backyard, you know what I mean,
So I could see it being absolutely one hundred possible
that it could live there. It makes it does make sense,
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like why they would be in that area because it's
a beautiful area, there's all the resources they need, and
it's not well traveled. It's a quiet place. And that's
why I would go up there in the first place,
so I could be alone, you know, the thing, to pray,
(22:24):
do whatever, to walk. That's why I went there because
nobody was there. So I can see why they would
be there if I really really look at it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Oh yeah, I saw a video on Horseshoe Curve and
it is a beautiful area. I'm so sorry to hear
that that experience just put a tarnish on that whole
area for you now, because it sounds like before that
experience you like to spend time there.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Oh yeah, we we've I've been going there since I've
been fifteen years old. I take my kids there, and
you know what, as long as we all go together,
I'll still go. I don't care, but I'll never I
can't go alone.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh no, I understand, it's never going to be the
same for you. One thing I'm not too sure about here, Crystal,
is the fact that you're obviously obsessed with a topic
of sasquatch, But at the same time, it's clear to
me that your experience really shook you up. With all
that in mind, would you like to have another sighting
someday or would you better not have another one?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I would say absolutely yes, I would want another sighting.
I need to double check myself. I need that verification feeling.
So I would say yes, as long as it's not
trying to eat me. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, I don't think that's going to happen, Thank goodness
to you.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But I definitely want to have maybe not even been
a sighting, just an experience where it doubles down on
that just a few seconds, you know what I mean,
where it doubles down and says, yes, Crystal, you're right,
this is out there. I need that verification.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, you've already had all the verification you need. You
saw what you saw. It doesn't matter if your family
members laugh at you when you try to talk about
that experience or not. You know what you saw and
that's all there is to it. Which that brings me
to the next question, which is, since they have made
fun of you whenever you used to tell them about it,
(24:40):
have you stopped bringing that topic up or do you
still talk about it from time to time around your family.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Don't talk about it with them, but I know they
can hear me watching the podcast and stuff, and and
my son, I said, will come in. We'll watch some
stuff together. But I don't really discuss it with anybody
else because they just roll their eyes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, considering how you were treated when you did that
in the past, I can understand why you would take
that stance, and I don't blame you. There are two
sides to every coin, though, And I'm wondering, before you
had that sighting in May of twenty twenty three, what
were your thoughts about the existence of sasquatch. Was it
all a joke to you or were you open minded
(25:29):
to the possibility.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It wasn't a joke I was like, there's so much
we don't know about the earth, and like it be,
there's so much land that people have never even walked on, Like,
how do you know anything about it? So I was
open to it, especially you know the north you know
(25:52):
our races specific Northwest. I was kind of like one
of those kind of people where it's a bout, Yeah,
I might be up in Washington, but they're not Pennsylvania,
you know what I mean. I just I just never
considered this close to my house that that would be
something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's all too easy to think that they only would
be found out west but Pennsylvania, especially around that area
where you are. Yeah, there are tons of resources for them,
but you know that now, No need to tell you
that now.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah. And then looking into it, I you know, obviously,
what do you do. First? You got the BFRO, you
start reading reports and I'm like, holy moly, there is
still many reports in Pennsylvania. What the heck? Like, why
didn't I think of looking that up first? But I
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just did it. I just it was never really a
part of my everyday life, and now it is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, when you consider the fact you've lived your life
for all these years and never seen a sasquatch in
that area. Sounds like you've been all over that area.
It's expected that you would come to that standpoint and
think that, Okay, well, yeah, there aren't any sasquatch around here,
because if there were, I would have seen one. But yeah,
you found out the flaw and you're thinking that one
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day in May of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, is that a red light for an underpass? I mean,
who would have thought? I don't know. It's just crazy
because I've been in those same moods in the middle
of the night with like a friend or two, you
know what I mean, doing things I shouldn't have been doing.
But I was still all over those mountains, riding four wheelers,
(27:43):
deep in like it's just hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, it's hard to wrap your mind around, but that
is reality, whether it's hard to accept or not. Now
I listen to you describe that area around where you
had that sighting, but I'm still unclear. It sounds to
me like the red light where you were stopped at
by a horseshoe curve there was in a pretty remote
area on the mountain.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yes, yes, it is. It's right there where you'll
see the museum, and then you go through a one
lane underpass, and that's why they installed the light, is
to let the oncoming traffic, you know, come through and
then you know, so you don't smash into each other
(28:29):
in the tunnel. It's right there, right there, and right
to your left if you look left, is a reservoir
and there's geese up there. There's all kinds of I mean,
it's it's it would be a wild animal to dream
(28:49):
to live up there.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, sounds like it. You have that documentary on Horseshoe
Curve that I watched. It looked to me like there
might be a lot of things around Horshoe Curve where
you wouldn't have to go all that far at all
to be right there with a lot of other people.
But at the same time, they didn't show anything that
definitively showed that there was a lot around us.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, it's not that busy of a place. The inclined
plane is always broke, so you got to do those
one hundred or so stairs to get up to the
top of it. And I've been going there. I remember
my parents taking me there when I was child, so
I've been going there my whole life, and that was
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before they remodeled it and put in like the museum
and you know, started recording history and stuff like that. There.
It's a beautiful place, and there's a park nearby called
Leopold where you can actually they have those goggles on
(29:54):
a stand where you can like look through them and
see far away, like it's almost like a set of binoculars,
and you can watch the trains go by like it's
the big thing here. And I would wonder the people
that live on containing road, if I could be a
(30:17):
fly on the wall, if they've ever experienced anything strength
or have seen something, because I'll bet if I saw it,
they have to have seen because that's their backyard and
I just happen to go up there on a random day.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You know, I'll bet you they have seen them.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
It is hunted because some of those people are there.
I mean, it's here. I don't know how I play.
The type of people that live here, very quiet, very
keute to themselves. You could live like I can be
my neighbor from here, but we don't really hang out
or talk or share. I don't know. Different in the
(31:07):
North people are just different. They're very quiet, and I
would bet that somebody up there has seen something who
lives nearby there, like on that road.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, i'll bet you're right. I'll bet they have. How
far was that sasquatch from you when you first saw it?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, I went up to measure it, but it was
from the light about well, it was on it was
on the hill, so from the light to the hill.
I don't want to guessimate distances because I am not
a distance person. I'm not intelligent in that way. I
(31:50):
would have to get a range finder or something and see,
but not far, definitely not far. And that's why I
thought it was funny that it was so dark. The
figure was so dark, and there was no differentiation between clothes,
like you know, if you're gonna go out, you're gonna
(32:12):
have pants on a jacket on it's may, it's still
a little chilly. Uh, There was none of that. It
was it was. It was the same from top to bottom.
It was the stain. I don't know how other I
wish I could say it better, and I can't. Oh,
(32:36):
I just know that it was all one color and
there wasn't no jacket. Even if I think I had
black pants and a black jacket and a pair of
gloves on. I think you'd be able to tell that.
And it wasn't like that, it was just the same.
It was just top the bottom of the same. I
(33:00):
just I don't know how to say it. I wished
I had the words. I wish I was more eloquent
in my speeds where I could have the words.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, it's a lot to take in, and it's really
hard to relate an experience like that. I mean, there's
a reason why the adage of picture is worth a
thousand words exists. It's a lot. It really is.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
In the way that it crossed that incline, like it's
just not humanly possible. Because I went back up later on,
and that's a crazy incline to move across it, and
the way that it moved across it, I feel it
would be humanly impossible. Because I went back to Chuck
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because I didn't trust myself. You know, I'm like, you're crazy, Chris.
I'll get up there and figure this thing out, you
know what I mean. Make sure you saw it. You
saw your dang dong. And I went up and I
looked at incline. I got out of the car and
everything which was actually come difficult to do at the time.
(34:07):
But I went in the middle of the day and
I went, and I looked, There's just no way a mate,
woman or anybody could cross that incline. The way that
thing was walking on the side of a hill. It's
just impossible, let alone, to get up there. How do
the heck did it get up there?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
If across that incline in a way that would be
impossible for a human to do when went into the bushes,
did it do that in a way that seemed to
defy physics or in a way that would be easy
to explain?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, Because if I was going and say it was
me and I crossed that incline, and I was going
to go into the bushes, and you know, like if
you're going to go into something that's like heavy, like
that shrubbery or whatever, you're gonna take your arm and
you're gonna move sticks out of the way, Sue, You're
gonna move things out of your way so you can
(35:01):
climb in there. You know, it didn't do that straight
into it. There was no like, oh, let me move
the stick out of the way, let me push this
rubbery out of the way. It just right into it
and it was that's I don't have Like I said,
(35:22):
I don't. I don't know. I not eloquent enough. I
don't have the heart. I just don't. It just went
right into that shrubbery like and when I went up
to check, I tried to see if there was like
a path or something. It just went into the bushes
like it was just absorbed them and absorbed it like,
(35:45):
I can't explain it. It didn't do what we would do.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there
have been other credible eyewitnesses of reported to seeing the
exact same thing you did. Were a sasquad just went
right into heavy bushes and they didn't notice any branches
or leaves moving or anything. It's just like it walked
right through a door.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, like I said, it was maybe with a purpose.
It was just like it was on its way somewhere.
Is the feeling that it didn't mean eventually. It was
like it was it was headed somewhere and it just
went into them bushes because it was it knew where
it was going, and it just walked right through them
(36:31):
because it knew it could. It's kind of what it
felt me.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It sure does make you wonder how they do a
lot of the things they do. They do some amazing things.
How far were those bushes from you that it went into.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
They're all on that hill side, so it would have
been it kind of like I said, it's kind of
like a Kurt. It's literally the Kurt God. I wish
I would have went up imagined a fight. Anon, I'm not.
(37:07):
I'm afraid to say distance. It's it was clear as
day with my eyesight. I do wear glasses, but it
was clear as day. And it was in the middle.
It was like I dropped my son off from school.
It o'clock, so it would have been like nine fifteen,
so it was dayly in May. It's right the leaves
(37:31):
they're out. I think what I would estimate that distances
I'm scared to I know. It ain't like no football
field away or anything like that. It was way closer
than that. I would say if it was a football field,
(37:54):
I would say fifty yard line or closer.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
So not that far from you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
No, not at all, not at all. And that's why
that's why it freaked me out. And I'm like, that's
not a man, that's not a man. What is that?
What is that? And then I'm watching it, watching it,
watching it, and then it's gone, you know, it's in
the bushes. And then I'm watching to see if it
comes out of the bushes and it doesn't. I'm like,
(38:22):
what man runs across an incline like that or goes
across an incline like that and sits in a bush
like That's It's just and the color of it, the
color of it was so dark. Just does it make sense?
(38:45):
It was so dark. It was like a black that
absorbs light, you know what I mean? Like I would
say I would describe the color as a black that
almost sucks in, like what we say of as black.
That's what drew my attention at first. If he'd have
(39:08):
been green, i'd never seen him probably or noticed him.
But because he was so dark against all those fresh
spring leaves and stuff, I think that's what made me
look up. I don't know what made me look up.
I don't even know, but that's my best guest.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Well, if he would have been green, you would have
thought he was the Grinch. So I think Hennessy wasn't green.
It's clear that sighting had effects on you that we
would expect. But have there been any effects that it
had on your life that we wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Expect, wouldn't expect. I'm not sure. I don't think so.
I haven't had like any Wow, I haven't had any
nightmares or anything like that. I am more vigilant. Even
in my own backyard now, which is I have an
(40:05):
acre property. It's not super wooded or anything, but there
are a lot of trees in our neighborhood. It's kind
of suburban slash rural. I didn't have this one thing
that happened once where I was sitting. We have a
(40:26):
fire pit out back, and only through my phone could
I see two glowing eyes. But I couldn't see it
with my real eyes. And then take the phone down,
can't see it. Put the phone up, I can see it.
Take the phone down, I can't see it. That was
(40:49):
the only other weird thing that ever happened tonight, and
that was at the end of my yard where there's
like a bunch of trees and stuff. We have like
nine we had like nine white pines, two maples. There's
an oak out there, so it's it was pretty, it's
(41:14):
pretty vegetated, but I could What was weird is that
I can only see it through my phone. I couldn't
see it with my regular vision. I actually snapped a
picture of that and it is on my Facebook.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's pretty ironic that you mentioned that, because not long
at all ago I spoke with someone had a good
conversation with an experience erho. They did kind of the
same thing. There was something that they could see. I
think it was a SaaS watch that they could only
see through technology. But they pulled down the night vision
whatever it was they were using to see it, and
they had a pretty good vision of what was in
(41:52):
front of them, but you couldn't see anything.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, if anybody would want to go to my Facebook
and they can see the picture, it's in there somewhere,
because I'm like, what the heck is this? You know,
and they are big and far apart.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It really does make you wonder, did finding out that
your son saw a dog man shak yet more than
your sasquatch sighting did or was it the other way around.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
That's a tough one. It's a little bit of both,
because well, I'm glad it didn't scare him the way
it's scared my sighting scared me. I'm glad he's just
thought it was a dog. I'm really happy for that.
I don't want him to be afraid of going outside,
(42:43):
but he is somebody because he's so young, and I
can talk to him about bigfoot. We like we're getting
back out there. We're starting to get like if my
sister goes with us, we'll go on a short hike
or something like that, and he'll bang on trees and
whoop and do his alcohols, so he's comfortable. There's not
(43:05):
fear there for him. But I'm behind him like a hawk,
you know, and we take the dogs and stuff like
that because I'm I want him to be aware, but
I just don't want him to be afraid. I have
(43:26):
fear in me and that I never felt before, and
I don't want that for him. I just want him
to know that it's a possibility. These things are out there,
and just if you see him go the other way,
just you know, whatever's comfortable, whatever you feel like it's
comfortable to do, do it.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
You know what a good mommy has. Being as young
as he was, I can totally understand why you didn't
tell him what it was that he had seen. But
how long do you plan to wait fore actually do
tell what it was that he saw that day.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I think I think he'll come to that realization on
his own. I think someday he'll ask, hey, you remember
when he went on that trip and I saw that
dog standing up? Could that have been a dog man?
And then I'll say, you got it. It finally clicked,
(44:22):
you know. I just I don't want to scare him,
you know, but I think he'll come to that realization
on his own. Otherwise I'll tell him eventually. I don't
think there's an a drange. I think I'll know when
the moment's right. But I'm hoping that he'll come to
that eventually.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Oh, I bet you're right. I'll bet he will put
the connect the dots and understand what it was sometime
down the road. Of course, after he does that, he's
gonna have to contact me and come on dog me
and encounters.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, yeah, Gus, when everybody try I had to ask
him questions about it, he gets real shy and kind
of clams up. He's like, I want to talk about
it because he didn't realize what he saw. He couldn't
understand everybody's interest, so he just got real bashful. You know.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I'm glad he did this clear, he's not ready to
talk about it, So, yeah, I wish they'd stop trying
to pressure him into talking about it.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah they did. I don't think it was intentional pressure.
It was just like everybody one day hear him tell
the event, and he's real shy, and I mean really
shyt and he just didn't want too many eyes on him.
I think one on one he'd tell anybody about it,
but I think when there's like a group of people
(45:49):
around him, he just starts. He likes to be a wallflower,
you know.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Oh no, I understand. It sounds to me like you
did tell him about your bigfoot sighting, though, And with
that in mind, how do you respond when you told
him they're not real?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
I said, Saul, I'm telling you they're real. And I
don't know. I don't know how in his heart he
feels about it, but he sure's heck legs going to
the camp outs and banging on trees and whooping and
hooting and hollering. He enjoys all every bit of it
(46:26):
so and he jes it in a way that I
wish I could. Or he's just having the greatest time
in his life, funning and funning around he's not searching
for an answer. He's just having fun, you know, because
he's so young.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well that's great. Well also too, he's removed from it.
He doesn't see it as him ever having a cryptid experience,
even though he has, so I can understand why he
would enjoy all that the way he does.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, it's funny. We go out and was to be like,
do you hear that? If you ask him, I'm like,
it's not real, but yet he plays it. He says that.
But when we go out on like say we go
up to the Lemon House and take a hike or
something like that, then he does all the bigfoot things
(47:22):
that he's seen on TV, and you know it gets
all excited if he didn't, you know, I think he
enjoys the community of it, definitely, the camp outs where
he gets to meet people and learn things and stuff
(47:42):
and just you know, just coexists with people that are
just nice to him.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Well that's great. I don't know if you ever thought
about this, but you just might have a future sasquatch
researcher on your hands.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I hope so, because I need I need a partner.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, that would definitely help, wouldn't it what's my time
for us to call it here, Crystal, But before we do,
I just want to thank you so much for coming
on and sharing the details of those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, absolutely, and if.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I can ever help you out in the future, please
let me know.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I definitely will, And if you would ever come to
times with it, you'll probably be the first number that
I call, So.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I'll be here all right.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night. That's it for another episode
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name's Crystal. I go by the I guess you
would say the hashtag or whatever cryptic Crystal if you
see me on YouTube. Live in Pennsylvania. Been born, bred
and raised here, same house my whole life. It's been
in our family since nineteen o two. Just tomorrom with
(00:38):
three kids and Cay have a young son. I have
two older daughters that are in their twenties, and then
I have a young son who at the time that
this kind of happened was eight years older, seven years old.
It was back in May of twenty twenty three. I
(01:00):
have a habit of sometimes dropping him off at school.
I did every day, and then every once in a
while I would go up to containing road and Altuona
is known for the world famous Horseshoe Curve. We were
a railroad town and there's a one lane underpass where
(01:25):
you kind of they have those hollows that you drive
under the mountain. It's usually a one lane underpass. They
have a light on each side, and they let one
side go and let the other side go. But I
had come up to that one lane underpass heading to
that pink trail that I like to go to, the
(01:46):
mountain biking trail, and okay, I would into a red
light there because they were given the other side the
green light. There was nobody coming through, but they still
run it on a time or whatever it is how
they do it. And I looked up and at first
I thought I saw a man, to be honest with you,
(02:07):
that was my first thought. But I'm launching because I'm
at a red light. I'm sitting still, I have nothing
else stand watching. I'm like, that's not a mate. What
the heck is that? What is that? And the reason
it made me think that was that there was no
(02:30):
colored differentiation in like the head to the I would
say middle waste. It was crossing from left to right
where the horseshoe curve is a railroad track, so it
goes around like on a curve, and it's from where
(02:52):
you're sitting at that light. It kind of when you
look up at it, it's against the sky and that
and it's really easy to see. And it would have
been May of twenty twenty three, and it just the
way that it moved, the color of it was very
(03:13):
dark dark. There was no like if you're a railroad worker,
you think you'd be in like gloves and a jacket,
and you know, just in the way that it navigated
across that incline was just insane. And then when it
went into the bushes, like if you're a person and
(03:36):
you're gonna go into the bushes, you're gonna push it
out of your way, you know, and kind of strudge
over it. It didn't do that. It just went straight
into the which I thought was kind of awkward too.
But yeah, there was no color differentiation, no hands, no coat,
(03:56):
no jacket. It was all dark from top to bottom.
The way that incline above because I went back after that,
you can even walk up that incline without grabbing hold
of trees and stuff or crawling very much. It's either
(04:17):
five degrees or works. It's very very straight up. And
she was this thing was navigating it like it was
I don't know, It's like it kind of just glided
across and goes into where the shrubbery begins on the
(04:40):
right hand side, and it just kind of just goes
right in there, doesn't drudge, and the balance of it
would have been impossible for I think any human to
a team. And I'm wanting this and it's a it's
not a busy road at the mountain road. It's not
(05:03):
a lot of people go up there, so nobody had
pulled up behind me, and so I sat there through it,
probably maybe two to three red lights. I waited to
just keep watching and just kind of pondering, what the
heck am I seeing and where did it go? And
(05:24):
I'm waiting for it to pop out, like if it's
a guy, I'm gonna see him pop out somewhere, and
it just it just didn't. And it just didn't. And
in my head, this is the hardest part to explain.
In my head, it just didn't align with what I
(05:48):
know humans are capable. And so and I've been aware
of bigfoot, I've heard that, I've seen the shows and
all that kind of stuff, and I'm like, no, freak away,
not now, Tuna, There's no way, not in my neighborhood.
That's just crazy. But it is what it is. And
(06:10):
I saw what I saw, and so I drove through
the past, went to the pink trail back in, pulled
back out, went straight back home and told my family
about it, like my girls and you know, my sister
and stuff, because we all lived together. And they, of
course did not believe me and thought I was just
(06:32):
being silly and whatnot. But it ignited curiosity in me,
but also it ignited a fear inside of me because
I have gone back up to the Pink Grow after that,
and I couldn't even roll my window down. It's like
(06:53):
I'm a whooper and sit and just watch and see
if I notice any of these things these people were
talking about, these tree bakes or anything like that, and
I couldn't make myself get out of the car. I
could barely make myself roll the window down. I've never
(07:15):
experienced fear like that, or like an unsureness like that.
I've always been very very strong. Did it make me
feel no, kind of a certain kind of way I
(07:39):
didn't like, And so I started watching more and more
of That's when I found Yougybe. That's where I found
the podcast. That's when I found all those kind of
things and started really paying attention and listening. And that's
when looking out the window when you're driving somewhere becomes different,
(08:05):
not looking out the window and is looking at the
pretty scenery or looking at the window for clues for
I don't know, just for something. It might because I
wasn't sir. If I believed what I saw, I'm like, uh,
(08:28):
am I crazy? Like? How do I reassure my own self?
How do I verify within myself? But I saw what
I saw? Why has it created this feeling in me?
(08:48):
This fear in me? Why am I scared? Now? That's
just silly. I'm forty some years old. This is just ridiculous.
I've been going up that mountain since I've been a teenager.
There's no reason, and I've gone up there alone all
(09:09):
my life, and now I can't even roll the window down,
Like what what did it do to me? So I started,
you know, watching the podcast and stuff, and I ran
(09:31):
into a group that I really really liked, that would
have been the Woodwalkers group. And I really really wanted
to get around people who had experiences like mine to
see if I could verified if I'm crazy or not.
(09:54):
And so me and my Center of Alabama for the
first time that gast seventeen hours. I'm not a people person.
I don't like large crowds. I don't like groups, but
I was like, I have to do this, Like I
(10:16):
have to go find out what the heck kid is
going on? And if other people saw what I saw.
So we me and my Center of the Way, Alabama,
and we didn't care about there And it was great
because it helped me took place in myself where I
(10:47):
believed myself, like I know, I know what I saw
that I but I wasn't sure. But I didn't understand
where the fear came from. I didn't understand why I
couldn't go back out in the woods and hang out
and walk trails and stuff like got used to Like
I didn't understand what did that to me? And so
(11:11):
we went there and I got to talk to a
lot of people who had had experienced started explaining what
like boogers at what like Bigfoot, that there's different time,
like I learned so much. And my son's at eight
years old, and we took his electric scooter events and
(11:32):
where if anybody knows Mark Green from, I think it's
Peter Creek Bottoms Farmstick. He's the one that hosted them
the camp out there, and my son had an electric
scooter with a bell on it, and we're down there.
There's one hundred fifty people down there. And I said,
(11:54):
if you're going to ride around down here, you ring
a bell so I know where you are. Ever, you know,
three four minutes, so I have an idea where you
are in this campgrown, okayme on my will. So he's
he's riding around the campground visiting, meeting people and stuff,
(12:18):
which was just a change in his personality because his
father past, he had become so shy. It really wonders
for so taking them there. The people were really great
us emotional for me.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm sorry, No, it's understandable. You've been through a lot.
I'll tell you what. Why don't we take a break.
We'll be right back. Okay, take your time, there's no rush.
(13:00):
I mean, it's not easy when you're growing up and
the world tells you that things like this don't exist,
things like this can't exist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well yeah, okay, yeah. We got to the gat together
and I gave my son was electric skater out and
he had that bell and I said, every three or
four minutes, I went, you ring that bell so I
know where you are in this campground, I said, And
if I hear it, I'm gonna come and looking for you.
So he would ring that bell and ring that bell.
(13:31):
And I don't know if this has anything to do
with what happens next, but I made sure he was
ringing that bell, so I knew where he was. And there,
up where we were camped, there's a circle where if
you were to drive up, your circle around and go
back down, and so you ride that circle ring the
(13:56):
bell near our tent. I'd hear him ringing it down there,
so I always knew where he was. And then he
pulls up, he stirsty once get a drink and barks
the skeater and he just barks in his chair, sits
(14:17):
in his chair and he's like, I didn't know dogs
can do that. And I looked at him. I said
dogs could do what? Because people there did have dogs,
you know what I mean, they had their pets with them,
some of them. And he said, stand up like that,
and I kind of kind of took a second, and like,
(14:44):
because I had just been watching all these shows, I've
never spoken to my son about were wolves or dog
men or anything like that. I've never mentioned that time.
I just said it. You know, all he knew was
Bigfoot bang on trees and whoop, whoop. You know what
(15:05):
I mean, that's all he knew. He was only eight
and I said, oh yeah, he said yeah. I said, well,
what it looks? I said, that's what it looked like.
It looked like shadow and shadow is our black German shepherd.
And I said, and it was standing up. He said, yeah,
was standing up looking at me. And honestly I was
(15:31):
kind of just frozen and then trying to think, like
what do I say? What do I do? And when
there was people camped around me that were have been
in the field for years, like Wendell Gary Spikes, and
I went straight to him and I said, listen, all
(15:52):
saw something. I'm gonna tell you what he told me.
I said, I don't know what to do. With said,
I don't know what to say. I don't want to
scare him. He's only eight years old. I don't want
to scare him. All it was where he's having the
time of his life and they were just you know,
(16:12):
so we just told him not to ride down in
that area again. But obviously from what my son described,
it wasn't some big, huge, hulking beast. It was because
it reminds him of our Germans, So think of a
German shepherd. Now ours is quite big. She's tall, but
(16:34):
stand her up. She's probably about five foot six, probably
about my heights. Yeah, and that's what he saw and
he was none none the like. It didn't even face him.
(16:54):
He just thought it was a dog standing up. He
just didn't know dogs could do that. And I was
just flabbergosta because we had gone there for my sighting
and to talk about Bigfoot and all that stuff, and
here we go, Selman saw something like that, and I'm
just it was just it just came in. I don't know,
(17:20):
in the words of Miley Cyrus, it just came in
like a wrecking ball. It just verified so much of
what I have been trying to figure out about what
happened to me. And then he saw what he saw,
doesn't he don't. He's still to this day he's he
doesn't even they know what he saw. He thinks it
(17:42):
was still a dog. Very well could have been, but
dogs that don't stand up and watch kids ride on
scooters usually like that. They usually bark or whatever. But yeah,
that was that was an experience. It was an absolute experience,
(18:04):
and thank goodness that I had the people around me
that I could literally go and talk to them and
instead of laughing making fun, they're ray liotally talk to
me and give me advice and like were receptive to
(18:28):
what was going on and what I had gone through
and then what happened while we were there, and they
were very receptive and very good people. Like I said,
my sighting was very benign, with the effect.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Deep do you want to take another break?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That's pretty much all that happened.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Really, Yeah, well, that's a lot. You went from in
a very short period of time not knowing that sasquatch
were real or any other cryptids we're out there, to
having your own sighting with sasquatch not long at all
after that, your son has a dog me an encounter.
How much trouble have you had in day to day
life just functioning now? These two experiences have happened in
(19:22):
such quick succession.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's not that it affects my day to day life,
but I can't stop thinking about it. I'm obsessed with
it now. It's like an addiction. I want to know more.
I want to know more. I want to know where
they come from, why they're here, and why don't we
know about this? And my gosh, that was my child.
(19:48):
What about somebody else's child? Your brain goes in so
many ways like it. There's not a day that goes
by well I don't think about it, and that it
is a crazy I adore the people in the subject.
(20:13):
They're most of them almost most of them are absolutely beautiful.
But I used to like hang out where am I
sighting was? I used to hang on up there all
the time, like alone, take walks in the woods alone, alone,
like all by myself. And now I can't do that.
(20:37):
I can't even force myself to do that. I'm getting there.
I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, all in good time. Did that sasquatch that you
saw do anything that made you think that if you
would have been on foot you would have been in
potential danger?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Absolutely? No, it didn't even look my way. It was
just it was like what was it doing? Like was
it going to a post like where it was supposed
to sit lunch? Like it was like it was going
its way to a job. And it was just like
like if you had to go to work and you
had to walk and you were just heading there, you
(21:14):
know what I mean. That's the body language that it
gave off like it was moving with a purpose to somewhere.
It had to be. There's three reservoirs up there, there's
train tracks, there's the our lines are up there. Absolutely beautiful.
(21:35):
There a ton of mountain water. There's no reason why
something like that would And we have white tail. I
have white tail in my backyard, you know what I mean,
So I could see it being absolutely one hundred possible
that it could live there. It makes it does make sense,
(22:02):
like why they would be in that area because it's
a beautiful area, there's all the resources they need, and
it's not well traveled. It's a quiet place. And that's
why I would go up there in the first place,
so I could be alone, you know, the thing, to pray,
(22:24):
do whatever, to walk. That's why I went there because
nobody was there. So I can see why they would
be there if I really really look at it.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Oh yeah, I saw a video on Horseshoe Curve and
it is a beautiful area. I'm so sorry to hear
that that experience just put a tarnish on that whole
area for you now, because it sounds like before that
experience you like to spend time there.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Oh yeah, we we've I've been going there since I've
been fifteen years old. I take my kids there, and
you know what, as long as we all go together,
I'll still go. I don't care, but I'll never I
can't go alone.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh no, I understand, it's never going to be the
same for you. One thing I'm not too sure about here, Crystal,
is the fact that you're obviously obsessed with a topic
of sasquatch, But at the same time, it's clear to
me that your experience really shook you up. With all
that in mind, would you like to have another sighting
someday or would you better not have another one?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I would say absolutely yes, I would want another sighting.
I need to double check myself. I need that verification feeling.
So I would say yes, as long as it's not
trying to eat me. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, I don't think that's going to happen, Thank goodness
to you.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But I definitely want to have maybe not even been
a sighting, just an experience where it doubles down on
that just a few seconds, you know what I mean,
where it doubles down and says, yes, Crystal, you're right,
this is out there. I need that verification.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, you've already had all the verification you need. You
saw what you saw. It doesn't matter if your family
members laugh at you when you try to talk about
that experience or not. You know what you saw and
that's all there is to it. Which that brings me
to the next question, which is, since they have made
fun of you whenever you used to tell them about it,
(24:40):
have you stopped bringing that topic up or do you
still talk about it from time to time around your family.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Don't talk about it with them, but I know they
can hear me watching the podcast and stuff, and and
my son, I said, will come in. We'll watch some
stuff together. But I don't really discuss it with anybody
else because they just roll their eyes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, considering how you were treated when you did that
in the past, I can understand why you would take
that stance, and I don't blame you. There are two
sides to every coin, though, And I'm wondering, before you
had that sighting in May of twenty twenty three, what
were your thoughts about the existence of sasquatch. Was it
all a joke to you or were you open minded
(25:29):
to the possibility.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
It wasn't a joke I was like, there's so much
we don't know about the earth, and like it be,
there's so much land that people have never even walked on, Like,
how do you know anything about it? So I was
open to it, especially you know the north you know
(25:52):
our races specific Northwest. I was kind of like one
of those kind of people where it's a bout, Yeah,
I might be up in Washington, but they're not Pennsylvania,
you know what I mean. I just I just never
considered this close to my house that that would be
something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
It's all too easy to think that they only would
be found out west but Pennsylvania, especially around that area
where you are. Yeah, there are tons of resources for them,
but you know that now, No need to tell you
that now.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah. And then looking into it, I you know, obviously,
what do you do. First? You got the BFRO, you
start reading reports and I'm like, holy moly, there is
still many reports in Pennsylvania. What the heck? Like, why
didn't I think of looking that up first? But I
(26:49):
just did it. I just it was never really a
part of my everyday life, and now it is.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, when you consider the fact you've lived your life
for all these years and never seen a sasquatch in
that area. Sounds like you've been all over that area.
It's expected that you would come to that standpoint and
think that, Okay, well, yeah, there aren't any sasquatch around here,
because if there were, I would have seen one. But yeah,
you found out the flaw and you're thinking that one
(27:17):
day in May of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, is that a red light for an underpass? I mean,
who would have thought? I don't know. It's just crazy
because I've been in those same moods in the middle
of the night with like a friend or two, you
know what I mean, doing things I shouldn't have been doing.
But I was still all over those mountains, riding four wheelers,
(27:43):
deep in like it's just hard to believe.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, it's hard to wrap your mind around, but that
is reality, whether it's hard to accept or not. Now
I listen to you describe that area around where you
had that sighting, but I'm still unclear. It sounds to
me like the red light where you were stopped at
by a horseshoe curve there was in a pretty remote
area on the mountain.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yes, yes, yes, it is. It's right there where you'll
see the museum, and then you go through a one
lane underpass, and that's why they installed the light, is
to let the oncoming traffic, you know, come through and
then you know, so you don't smash into each other
(28:29):
in the tunnel. It's right there, right there, and right
to your left if you look left, is a reservoir
and there's geese up there. There's all kinds of I mean,
it's it's it would be a wild animal to dream
(28:49):
to live up there.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, sounds like it. You have that documentary on Horseshoe
Curve that I watched. It looked to me like there
might be a lot of things around Horshoe Curve where
you wouldn't have to go all that far at all
to be right there with a lot of other people.
But at the same time, they didn't show anything that
definitively showed that there was a lot around us.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, it's not that busy of a place. The inclined
plane is always broke, so you got to do those
one hundred or so stairs to get up to the
top of it. And I've been going there. I remember
my parents taking me there when I was child, so
I've been going there my whole life, and that was
(29:33):
before they remodeled it and put in like the museum
and you know, started recording history and stuff like that. There.
It's a beautiful place, and there's a park nearby called
Leopold where you can actually they have those goggles on
(29:54):
a stand where you can like look through them and
see far away, like it's almost like a set of binoculars,
and you can watch the trains go by like it's
the big thing here. And I would wonder the people
that live on containing road, if I could be a
(30:17):
fly on the wall, if they've ever experienced anything strength
or have seen something, because I'll bet if I saw it,
they have to have seen because that's their backyard and
I just happen to go up there on a random day.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You know, I'll bet you they have seen them.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
It is hunted because some of those people are there.
I mean, it's here. I don't know how I play.
The type of people that live here, very quiet, very
keute to themselves. You could live like I can be
my neighbor from here, but we don't really hang out
or talk or share. I don't know. Different in the
(31:07):
North people are just different. They're very quiet, and I
would bet that somebody up there has seen something who
lives nearby there, like on that road.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, i'll bet you're right. I'll bet they have. How
far was that sasquatch from you when you first saw it?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Well, I went up to measure it, but it was
from the light about well, it was on it was
on the hill, so from the light to the hill.
I don't want to guessimate distances because I am not
a distance person. I'm not intelligent in that way. I
(31:50):
would have to get a range finder or something and see,
but not far, definitely not far. And that's why I
thought it was funny that it was so dark. The
figure was so dark, and there was no differentiation between clothes,
like you know, if you're gonna go out, you're gonna
(32:12):
have pants on a jacket on it's may, it's still
a little chilly. Uh, There was none of that. It
was it was. It was the same from top to bottom.
It was the stain. I don't know how other I
wish I could say it better, and I can't. Oh,
(32:36):
I just know that it was all one color and
there wasn't no jacket. Even if I think I had
black pants and a black jacket and a pair of
gloves on. I think you'd be able to tell that.
And it wasn't like that, it was just the same.
It was just top the bottom of the same. I
(33:00):
just I don't know how to say it. I wished
I had the words. I wish I was more eloquent
in my speeds where I could have the words.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well, it's a lot to take in, and it's really
hard to relate an experience like that. I mean, there's
a reason why the adage of picture is worth a
thousand words exists. It's a lot. It really is.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
In the way that it crossed that incline, like it's
just not humanly possible. Because I went back up later on,
and that's a crazy incline to move across it, and
the way that it moved across it, I feel it
would be humanly impossible. Because I went back to Chuck
(33:45):
because I didn't trust myself. You know, I'm like, you're crazy, Chris.
I'll get up there and figure this thing out, you
know what I mean. Make sure you saw it. You
saw your dang dong. And I went up and I
looked at incline. I got out of the car and
everything which was actually come difficult to do at the time.
(34:07):
But I went in the middle of the day and
I went, and I looked, There's just no way a mate,
woman or anybody could cross that incline. The way that
thing was walking on the side of a hill. It's
just impossible, let alone, to get up there. How do
the heck did it get up there?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
If across that incline in a way that would be
impossible for a human to do when went into the bushes,
did it do that in a way that seemed to
defy physics or in a way that would be easy
to explain?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, Because if I was going and say it was
me and I crossed that incline, and I was going
to go into the bushes, and you know, like if
you're going to go into something that's like heavy, like
that shrubbery or whatever, you're gonna take your arm and
you're gonna move sticks out of the way, Sue, You're
gonna move things out of your way so you can
(35:01):
climb in there. You know, it didn't do that straight
into it. There was no like, oh, let me move
the stick out of the way, let me push this
rubbery out of the way. It just right into it
and it was that's I don't have Like I said,
(35:22):
I don't. I don't know. I not eloquent enough. I
don't have the heart. I just don't. It just went
right into that shrubbery like and when I went up
to check, I tried to see if there was like
a path or something. It just went into the bushes
like it was just absorbed them and absorbed it like,
(35:45):
I can't explain it. It didn't do what we would do.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there
have been other credible eyewitnesses of reported to seeing the
exact same thing you did. Were a sasquad just went
right into heavy bushes and they didn't notice any branches
or leaves moving or anything. It's just like it walked
right through a door.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, like I said, it was maybe with a purpose.
It was just like it was on its way somewhere.
Is the feeling that it didn't mean eventually. It was
like it was it was headed somewhere and it just
went into them bushes because it was it knew where
it was going, and it just walked right through them
(36:31):
because it knew it could. It's kind of what it
felt me.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It sure does make you wonder how they do a
lot of the things they do. They do some amazing things.
How far were those bushes from you that it went into.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
They're all on that hill side, so it would have
been it kind of like I said, it's kind of
like a Kurt. It's literally the Kurt God. I wish
I would have went up imagined a fight. Anon, I'm not.
(37:07):
I'm afraid to say distance. It's it was clear as
day with my eyesight. I do wear glasses, but it
was clear as day. And it was in the middle.
It was like I dropped my son off from school.
It o'clock, so it would have been like nine fifteen,
so it was dayly in May. It's right the leaves
(37:31):
they're out. I think what I would estimate that distances
I'm scared to I know. It ain't like no football
field away or anything like that. It was way closer
than that. I would say if it was a football field,
(37:54):
I would say fifty yard line or closer.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
So not that far from you.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
No, not at all, not at all. And that's why
that's why it freaked me out. And I'm like, that's
not a man, that's not a man. What is that?
What is that? And then I'm watching it, watching it,
watching it, and then it's gone, you know, it's in
the bushes. And then I'm watching to see if it
comes out of the bushes and it doesn't. I'm like,
(38:22):
what man runs across an incline like that or goes
across an incline like that and sits in a bush
like That's It's just and the color of it, the
color of it was so dark. Just does it make sense?
(38:45):
It was so dark. It was like a black that
absorbs light, you know what I mean? Like I would
say I would describe the color as a black that
almost sucks in, like what we say of as black.
That's what drew my attention at first. If he'd have
(39:08):
been green, i'd never seen him probably or noticed him.
But because he was so dark against all those fresh
spring leaves and stuff, I think that's what made me
look up. I don't know what made me look up.
I don't even know, but that's my best guest.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Well, if he would have been green, you would have
thought he was the Grinch. So I think Hennessy wasn't green.
It's clear that sighting had effects on you that we
would expect. But have there been any effects that it
had on your life that we wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Expect, wouldn't expect. I'm not sure. I don't think so.
I haven't had like any Wow, I haven't had any
nightmares or anything like that. I am more vigilant. Even
in my own backyard now, which is I have an
(40:05):
acre property. It's not super wooded or anything, but there
are a lot of trees in our neighborhood. It's kind
of suburban slash rural. I didn't have this one thing
that happened once where I was sitting. We have a
(40:26):
fire pit out back, and only through my phone could
I see two glowing eyes. But I couldn't see it
with my real eyes. And then take the phone down,
can't see it. Put the phone up, I can see it.
Take the phone down, I can't see it. That was
(40:49):
the only other weird thing that ever happened tonight, and
that was at the end of my yard where there's
like a bunch of trees and stuff. We have like
nine we had like nine white pines, two maples. There's
an oak out there, so it's it was pretty, it's
(41:14):
pretty vegetated, but I could What was weird is that
I can only see it through my phone. I couldn't
see it with my regular vision. I actually snapped a
picture of that and it is on my Facebook.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's pretty ironic that you mentioned that, because not long
at all ago I spoke with someone had a good
conversation with an experience erho. They did kind of the
same thing. There was something that they could see. I
think it was a SaaS watch that they could only
see through technology. But they pulled down the night vision
whatever it was they were using to see it, and
they had a pretty good vision of what was in
(41:52):
front of them, but you couldn't see anything.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, if anybody would want to go to my Facebook
and they can see the picture, it's in there somewhere,
because I'm like, what the heck is this? You know,
and they are big and far apart.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It really does make you wonder, did finding out that
your son saw a dog man shak yet more than
your sasquatch sighting did or was it the other way around.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
That's a tough one. It's a little bit of both,
because well, I'm glad it didn't scare him the way
it's scared my sighting scared me. I'm glad he's just
thought it was a dog. I'm really happy for that.
I don't want him to be afraid of going outside,
(42:43):
but he is somebody because he's so young, and I
can talk to him about bigfoot. We like we're getting
back out there. We're starting to get like if my
sister goes with us, we'll go on a short hike
or something like that, and he'll bang on trees and
whoop and do his alcohols, so he's comfortable. There's not
(43:05):
fear there for him. But I'm behind him like a hawk,
you know, and we take the dogs and stuff like
that because I'm I want him to be aware, but
I just don't want him to be afraid. I have
(43:26):
fear in me and that I never felt before, and
I don't want that for him. I just want him
to know that it's a possibility. These things are out there,
and just if you see him go the other way,
just you know, whatever's comfortable, whatever you feel like it's
comfortable to do, do it.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
You know what a good mommy has. Being as young
as he was, I can totally understand why you didn't
tell him what it was that he had seen. But
how long do you plan to wait fore actually do
tell what it was that he saw that day.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I think I think he'll come to that realization on
his own. I think someday he'll ask, hey, you remember
when he went on that trip and I saw that
dog standing up? Could that have been a dog man?
And then I'll say, you got it. It finally clicked,
(44:22):
you know. I just I don't want to scare him,
you know, but I think he'll come to that realization
on his own. Otherwise I'll tell him eventually. I don't
think there's an a drange. I think I'll know when
the moment's right. But I'm hoping that he'll come to
that eventually.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Oh, I bet you're right. I'll bet he will put
the connect the dots and understand what it was sometime
down the road. Of course, after he does that, he's
gonna have to contact me and come on dog me
and encounters.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, yeah, Gus, when everybody try I had to ask
him questions about it, he gets real shy and kind
of clams up. He's like, I want to talk about
it because he didn't realize what he saw. He couldn't
understand everybody's interest, so he just got real bashful. You know.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I'm glad he did this clear, he's not ready to
talk about it, So, yeah, I wish they'd stop trying
to pressure him into talking about it.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah they did. I don't think it was intentional pressure.
It was just like everybody one day hear him tell
the event, and he's real shy, and I mean really
shyt and he just didn't want too many eyes on him.
I think one on one he'd tell anybody about it,
but I think when there's like a group of people
(45:49):
around him, he just starts. He likes to be a wallflower,
you know.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Oh no, I understand. It sounds to me like you
did tell him about your bigfoot sighting, though, And with
that in mind, how do you respond when you told
him they're not real?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
I said, Saul, I'm telling you they're real. And I
don't know. I don't know how in his heart he
feels about it, but he sure's heck legs going to
the camp outs and banging on trees and whooping and
hooting and hollering. He enjoys all every bit of it
(46:26):
so and he jes it in a way that I
wish I could. Or he's just having the greatest time
in his life, funning and funning around he's not searching
for an answer. He's just having fun, you know, because
he's so young.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well that's great. Well also too, he's removed from it.
He doesn't see it as him ever having a cryptid experience,
even though he has, so I can understand why he
would enjoy all that the way he does.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, it's funny. We go out and was to be like,
do you hear that? If you ask him, I'm like,
it's not real, but yet he plays it. He says that.
But when we go out on like say we go
up to the Lemon House and take a hike or
something like that, then he does all the bigfoot things
(47:22):
that he's seen on TV, and you know it gets
all excited if he didn't, you know, I think he
enjoys the community of it, definitely, the camp outs where
he gets to meet people and learn things and stuff
(47:42):
and just you know, just coexists with people that are
just nice to him.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Well that's great. I don't know if you ever thought
about this, but you just might have a future sasquatch
researcher on your hands.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I hope so, because I need I need a partner.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, that would definitely help, wouldn't it what's my time
for us to call it here, Crystal, But before we do,
I just want to thank you so much for coming
on and sharing the details of those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, absolutely, and if.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
I can ever help you out in the future, please
let me know.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
I definitely will, And if you would ever come to
times with it, you'll probably be the first number that
I call, So.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I'll be here all right.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night. That's it for another episode
of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had
a sasquatch encounter and would like to be a guest
on the show, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com
(48:54):
and submit a report. We'd love to hear from you.
Thanks for listening, have a great knight.
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