My Sasquatch Sighting at Fallen Rock, Indiana - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 511

In February of 2000, tonight’s guest, Anita Tallbl, was spending a night out with two friends of hers, Manny and Tess, when she had her first Sasquatch sighting. You see, when Anita had that first sighting, she was sitting in the back of Manny’s car, with Tess, about 200 yards from Tess’ property. To Anita’s surprise, she saw two Sasquatch crossing the road in front of Manny’s car. One of the Sasquatch was black and the other one was a brownish/red color. That experience took Anita from having a very mild interest in the Sasquatch phenomenon to being very interested in finding out all she could about them. On tonight’s show, Anita will not only share the details of that first sighting, she’s going to share the details of other sightings and experiences she’s had with them as well. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to her do that.

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Episode Transcript

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My name is Anita Tolbull. I was a private investigator
and a bounty hunter. In February of two thousand, I
was with two of my friends' deputy sheriff whom had
his wife with us, and one of my best friends

(00:37):
tests who we had all got together and went out
and went to eat and went to do karaoke. And
none of us are drinkers, so mind you, we don't drink.
So where Tess lived is called Fallen Rock, Indiana. It's
way out in the Boonies. The closest is like thirty

(01:01):
five miles away, and she lives up on top of
this mountain. I call it a mountain, but it's Indiana,
it would be a hill. And she has an eighty
two acre tree farm. So her and I was sitting
in the back seat of his patrol car and he's
in the front with his wife. His name is Manny,

(01:25):
and he slams his brakes on and he's like, wow,
did you all see that? And of course, me and
Tess was talking in the back seat, so we didn't
see what's what he's seen. So he gets out of
the car and he opens up my car door and
he says, come with me. So her and his wife
are talking amongst themselves. So I get out, and he

(01:48):
opens up the trunk and he gets his pistol and
he gets a flashlight. So Hen and I walk across
the road. And mind you, this road goes up, but
it's winding curves and there's steep like gorgeous on the
side of haulers. So he and I walked across the
road and as we got to the edge of the road,

(02:12):
you could see in the moonlight there's something big up
on top of this ridge and it sounded like a
herd of elephants up there, and it's hollering and screaming,
and there's things is being tossed down over this hill
at us. And I told man, he's a big guy.
He's like six foot tall, maybe three hundred pounds. I'm

(02:35):
only five to three at one hundred and forty. And
I told him, I said, I don't have a gun
on me, and I don't feel comfortable here. So we
go back to the car, and we're going up this
side of this hill, and all of a sudden, in
the lights of his car, there's two creatures that cross

(02:56):
the road in front of us. One was a very
big black creature and the other one was it was brown,
maybe reddish brown, and it was a lot smaller than
the black one. The black one probably stood, I'm going
to guesstimate maybe seven eight feet tall, and from just

(03:19):
the massive size of it, probably twelve hundred pounds at least.
It was so huge, and the smaller one, it was
a lot smaller. It looked like it might have been
a juvenile. But I couldn't tell you anything about their
features on their face because I didn't see that. The

(03:40):
mass of these creatures sort of blew me away. It
scared all of us in the vehicle, and within a
few seconds it was over the hill, both of them
down this embankment, and they were gone. So we went
around the curve in it was about probably two hundred
yards Tessa's driveway, and we turned on her driveway and

(04:03):
then Tessa's driveway. There is these massive cedar trees. Whenever
they purchased the property, the people that owned it before
they purchased it. They didn't take care of them, so
they just grew out a hand and they're thick. And
we went straight down the road and her husband and
brother in law are running out of the house as

(04:25):
we're stopping, and they have their rifles, and so we
all jump out of his patrol car and we're like,
did you guys see it? Did you see it? And
he's like, the neighbors are complaining about something beating on
their trailer. And the neighbor was an eighty two year
old woman that lived there by herself, but every once

(04:48):
in a while her great grandkids would come and stay
the weekend with them, and they were there for that weekend,
so they left to go talk to the neighbor and
see what was going on going on, and we waited
for them to get back, and they were going a
couple hours, and they came back and they had pictures

(05:09):
on their camera where there was indentures on this like
trailer where something had been beating it. And we finally
got to tell them what we saw and everything. So
we all left and Manny took me home, and I
was so intrigued by it and just astonished. The next

(05:32):
day I got up, and I told my husband, I said,
I'm going to take Marcus, who Marcus was my ten
year old son, and We're going to go back out
there and I'm going to do some investigation and see
if I can find footprints or handprints or a piece
of hair or something. So I had called Tests and

(05:53):
told her I was on my way out there. So
she met me at her driveway and we go down
the road and the embankment that these things had went
off of was a sixty foot drop straight down, and
as you're looking, you can see all kinds of like
tree branches and stuff there that'd been broke and snapped.

(06:17):
I found a footprint, a partial palm print, but it
had rained that night before, and there's no way I
could have gotten a good cast on it because of
the rain washing it out. But you could see what
it was. So my son and I in Tests, we
go down and walking in her property, and we probably

(06:40):
went back in it about I'm going to say, maybe
I don't know, quarter of a mile, and we started
seeing like broken tree limbs and stuff. And I'm not
talking about small ones. I'm talking about big ones that
a beaver anything couldn't just knock down, there's no markings

(07:01):
of a beaver. So we walked a couple more miles
back and Tessa's land comes into like a ravine and
there's a little creek, and we followed that back for
another five six miles and we come to a cave
that was on the edge. You could just barely see
it from the creek, but we walked off to where

(07:24):
you could really tell about it, and it was a
pretty good sized cave. But what stopped us center tracks
is right in front of it, there was six deer
that had their necks broken and their hindquarters were basically

(07:45):
ripped off of them. I mean you could see that
something had torn them off. And whenever I say had
torn them off, you couldn't say that it was a
cat because there was no claw marks on them or
any It was just like they had been ripped off
and laid over to the side. Well, I had my

(08:09):
son with me and we didn't venture into the cave.
I started getting a little bit weary, I mean, I
had my pistol on me, Tess had hers, but I
was really focusing on my son and I didn't want
to put him in harm's way, So we got back
out of the woods, and I told Tess I would

(08:30):
love to come back that night with my husband and
maybe all of us, her husband and her and myself
and my husband could sit on that gorge on the
top and maybe hear what we could hear or see something.
So we go out there, and Tess had just had
knee surgery prior to all this occurring, and we walk out.

(08:54):
Her house is probably a half mile away from where
we sat, and nothing happened until it was about two
o'clock in the morning, and we started hearing coyotes what
we thought were coyotes, and you could hear dogs way
off in the distance bargain and then they started yelping,

(09:18):
and then the coyotes sound stopped, and then we started
hearing this real high pitched how and it went on
for a little bit, and then it sort of muffled out,
and you could tell it was coming closer walking down
in this ravine, and it kept doing it, and it

(09:42):
went on for about thirty minutes, and then we didn't
hear anything else, and we were all sitting there and
real quiet, and then it started sounding like owls, but
you could tell it wasn't an owl. It was something
mimicking this owl. It went on for about another hour

(10:04):
and tests finally we were split up, and she finally
radioed me and said, I don't think this is a
good idea because if something come up over this ridge,
you know, I just had knee surgery, I'm not capable
of running. And so we decided to go back to
her house. Well, then the next night I had called

(10:28):
her and I said, hey, do you feel like camping
out on that ridge? You know, I'll have my tent
and you know, you can set up a tent. And
she's like, sure, that sounds like a plan. And I'm like, well,
I'm taking recorders cause I want to hear what this
thing is. And this was, like I said, February of

(10:51):
two thousand when I had my sighting. So it was
starting to get really cold in Indiana. It hadn't snowed yet,
but it was getting really cold. So we set up
our camps and she was a little bit away from me,
probably I don't know, one hundred yards maybe, and I

(11:13):
was closer to the edge of the embankment the gorge,
and so I had a two man tent and she
was sleeping in like a big army tent. Her husband
was army and so he had purchased this for her,
and she had a cotton there, and you know, I
just had a backpack and anyway I could hear. She

(11:37):
finally went to sleep. I could hear her snoring, and
I was laying there because I couldn't really hear anything
because of her snoring. So all of a sudden I
heard a rooster and it was down over the gorge
and you know, at the bottom, and I'm like, okay,

(12:00):
there's no houses around here except for her house. They
don't have chickens, So where's this rooster sound coming from.
So I laid there for about ten minutes, and I
could hear it getting closer, coming up this ridge. I mean,
it's climbing up this haller. And the closer it got,

(12:24):
I could tell it wasn't a rooster. It was something
mimicking the rooster sound. So I had no lights in
my tent or anything, and the moon was shine and bright,
and I heard something breathing really really heavy, and at
the time I only had a little twenty two on me,

(12:46):
So I'm, you know, trying not to move, trying not
to make a sound, and whatever it was was hovering
over my tent and you could see the shadow in
the light, and I could hear it going like trying
to breathe, like smell me. And then I could hear

(13:07):
it making like another sound that was like, well, I
know it wasn't a bear because where they are were
Central Indiana, there's no bears there. So I laid there
and this thing kept going around my tin for a

(13:29):
good thirty minutes, forty five minutes, and then it walked off.
I could hear it walking. It was real heavy like
sound going down on the ground, and I didn't make
a move, but I could tell it went over to
Tessa's tint and I could hear it like trying to

(13:52):
smell her, you know, taking deep snips. And then it
came back over to my tent and I laid there
again with not moving or making a sound and just
praying to God that this thing doesn't rip inside and
you know, in my tent and get inside with me.

(14:12):
And it walked around my tent for another twenty minutes,
and then I heard like brush cracking, and I could
tell it was going back down that hauller, back into
that ravine, and I laid there until it started getting

(14:33):
sunlight before I poked my head out. And whenever I
poked my head out, I ran over to Tessa's tent
and woke her up. I said, you know, we had
a visitor last night. We had a visitor, and everything
was trampled down around us, all the weeds and stuff,
because you know, we were in weeds in tall grass

(14:55):
and all this was trampled down. Well, her husband came
up and he and I went down the hill to
the into the ravine and we cast two footprints and
they were exactly fourteen inches long. So he finally, you know,

(15:17):
he was believing in what we had told him, because
at first he laughed at us. Well, I thought, you know,
i'm a private investigator. I'm going to start asking people
around here. Because my father was born and raised not
it was like a mile and a half down the
road in a log cabin, and he used to tell

(15:38):
us of stories that happened to him there because he
would have to walk over the ridge and get water
from the spring and bring it back, and he would
talk about the sounds that he would hear and everything.
And this was years prior to our you know, sighting.

(15:58):
So anyway, I started going around and I was asking people,
and I had farmers tell me, yeah, you know, we've
seen something here for years. You know, we would be
out plowing our field, and this one farmer's like, you know,
I seen these two black stumps, and I'm like, I

(16:20):
didn't burn any trees out, and there wasn't any trees there,
so I'm not sure where those stumps came from. So
he made his pass and he started to come back around.
They stood up and walked into the woods, a big
one and a smaller one. And then I had went
down to the ladies house that she lived in the

(16:43):
trailer that that night had had some issues with them
and they were pounding on the side of her trailer,
you know, knocking holes in it. And she said that
whenever she had her great grandchildren there, they would go
down to the stream and they had little toys set
up there, like tractors and dump trucks and stuff like that,

(17:08):
and they would always come back up to the house
telling their grandma that the monsters taking their toys, and
she never believed them. So she said that after this
happened with the pounding, she sat down with them and
she told them, she said, well, draw the monsters for me,
and one of them was four years old, one of

(17:31):
them was eight, and the other one I think was ten.
And so they sit down. She gave them crayons and
a piece of paper, and what they drew was a bigfoot,
and the oldest he was a little boy. He told
her that it was mean because it would always take

(17:52):
the toys and throw them up into the woods. And
she asked him, she said, said, did they try to
hurt you? Did they try to get you? And he's
like no, we would all run from them, but whenever
we would take off running, he took our toys and
threw them off into the woods. Well, that was one story.

(18:17):
The old farmer he was another story. Then I found
out that the game warden of Park County, Indiana had
his own sighting, and what he saw was one running
across a newly cloud field and he was trying to

(18:38):
get off the road to get in the field to
see what it was, and he couldn't catch it. It
went into the woods. Well, up here where my sighting was,
it's a lot of woods. There's very few houses, you know,
they're few and far between. Most of the farmland is

(18:59):
if you go probably about ten miles down from where
my sighting was. Then you start running into the farm land.
You get into Mansfield, Indiana, which all this is in
Park County, Indiana, and it's just it's a big wooded area.
There's a lot of covered bridges there people. I mean,

(19:23):
you have hunters that go out into the woods. For instance,
my uncle and my cousin were big coon hunters. And
my cousin Gibbey, would tell me a story about whenever
they would go into this place called Lena, which wasn't
far from where our sighting was, they would go in
there and go coon hunting, that he would always get

(19:48):
the sense of something watching him and he would have
an awful, awful stench. The smell, he said, it was
just breathtaking. It smelt like a wet dog with pee
on it, urn on it, and he said it was very,
you know, breathtaking, just the odor. I asked him myself, well,

(20:12):
since you're out there, you got all these coon, you know,
hounds running loose, how did they act? And he said
that once they got into the one area at Lena,
not far from my sighting, that most of them would
come back to him cowering and whining. They wouldn't they
wouldn't go. And these were like thousands of dollars coon

(20:37):
hounds that he had won a lot of trophies with
and had for many years, and for them to act
like that, you know, he said, I never saw anything,
but I knew it was there. And this went on
for a long time. There was probably about six or
seven more sightings that I had recorded from people that

(20:59):
had told me, yeah, you know, we seen this or
we seen that. Like I said, the game Warden he
had sought it. And I think that there's a book
that he wrote about it, The Creatures of Indiana or
something like that. But it's all dense territory up there,

(21:20):
a lot of wooded area, big woods, and you know,
my theory was anything could be in here because there's
so much woods with lack of people living in it,
you know, so any thing can strive in these woods.

(21:41):
And I had my second sighting. I had left Indiana
and in two thousand and four I decided to sweep
up my family and move to Oklahoma. My husband had
died of brain cancer, so my kids, we all came

(22:01):
to Oklahoma and I was on the Shyanne Arapahoe Reservation
with some dear friends of mine, and this is in Concho, Oklahoma. Now, granted,

(22:23):
these are planes out where I was at, they're planes,
and it's just flatlands and there's a couple of streams
that run through there, and there's just a little part
of a woods. I mean, it's nothing, you know. Whenever
I first moved here, I asked them where's your trees at?
Because these all look like shrubs because they were so small. Well,

(22:47):
we're located. I was with a gentleman named Melvin and
then his cousin. They were sitting in their truck. It
was Emma and Wheezy Redbird. So we're sitting by a
railroad track at the back of the reservation where an
old school had been and it had burnt down. And

(23:09):
Melvin told me that the tribal police won't come down there,
and I asked him why and he said because of
what's here. But he never would say anything else. So
we're sitting there and this is in December, and it's
just getting cold, and it's a bright moonlight, and Emmett

(23:31):
and Weezy had fallen asleep. So me and Melvin's talking
and all of a sudden he hits me and says, look,
and running down the road. You could see this. It's
a silhouette, but it just looked like a man with
a fringe coat on. I mean, you couldn't tell what

(23:51):
it was or anything. And it went into the woods
right in front of our truck and I looked at him.
I said, what was that? And he said that was
the hairy man. I'm like, you're telling me you have
actually big foot out here. He's like, yeah, but the

(24:13):
governor doesn't really want to let it out of the bag,
you know, and have people come on the reservation. So
I said, I'm having a hard time believing that because
the land is so flat, you know, where would it
exist at, you know. And he's like, tomorrow, I'll take
you to the casino and I want to show you something.

(24:36):
I'm like, okay, well I drive up there and we
go to the casino, Lucky Star casino, and he's I mean,
his father was lifetime chief of the reservation, so he
could pretty much go and do what he wanted. So
he talked to the security and they took us in

(24:57):
this room and I'm watching this film and it shows
this big, grayish white looking broad shoulder creature that's standing
about two foot down from the top of the street
light or the bottom of the street light. I'm sorry,
and it looks like it has a stick, and the

(25:20):
stick goes down and comes up, goes down and comes up,
and it's right in front of the grease pit. And
I'm like, what is it doing? Is it eating grease
out of that grease pit? And the security guys say, yeah,
that's all we can determine that it's doing. And I'm like, well,

(25:44):
that's that's weird. But prior to this happening, a lady
had went out to her car and she went running
back in the casino and she told the security officers, Hey,
there's an a monkey or an ape out by my car,
and she was all hysterical. So security went out there

(26:07):
and they drove the parking lot, they went around her car,
and they never could find it. And this was like
right after she went in that they have the footage
of this happening. So I started doing investigations up there,
but I never could find any valuable evidence that I could,

(26:34):
you know, actually prove about it, and so I just
let it drop and go on. Well, I had gotten
six so I sort of didn't do any investigations or
anything for a long long time, for quite a few years,
and me and my husband now Billy, we had purchased

(26:59):
five acres on a piece of property that sits way
out in the middle of the woods in between Meeker,
Oklahoma and Prague, Oklahoma. I'm exactly fifteen miles from Shawnee, Oklahoma.
And my daughter, my middle daughter, had had some issues

(27:21):
and so she moved in with us, and she wanted
to go to the casino in Shawnee, which I didn't
want her to go because it just got through storming
and it was really foggy outside. So she kept on
and my husband said, take my truck and go ahead
and take her. Well, I could have went the highway,

(27:44):
but in turn I decided to go down the dirt
road and hit a road called Moccason Trail, which back
in the day the sac and Fox Indians and the
Shawnee Indians, and I don't know how many tribes was

(28:05):
building this road. There was a lot of deaths on it.
And I'm Kickapoo Indian, but where I live at there's
several tribes of Indians that live around here. So anyway,
I took her and it's real foggy and we went
down the dirt road, got on Moccason Trail, which is

(28:26):
a blacktop and it's hills up and down, just going
over hills and stuff. Well, I let her off there
and told her goodbyes, and she said she'd get a
ride home from a friend. And it's about ten o'clock
at night and it's foggy, so I rode the windows
down in the truck. You know, it's nice fresh air

(28:48):
coming in and whatnot. Well, I could barely see. I
get halfway down Moccason Trail and it looks like a
cow running on the side of the road, full trot running.
And I get a little closer, and I'm thinking to myself, Anita,

(29:11):
that's not a cow. And I get closer and I
slow way down, almost to stop, and I see it's
a wolf. And the wolf's back is so tall, it's
as tall as the bottom of my window sill. And
it scares me. And I keep going slow. And this

(29:35):
animal creature, its space was real long, like a horse's space.
It didn't look like a wolf. I'm not even sure
I can explain what it looked like, but it scared
the bejeebers out of me. So I drove real fast

(29:57):
come home and I threw the door open. I was
shaken eyes actually, you know, so unnerved about it. I
was almost in tears, thinking did I see what I
thought I saw? You know? Is this thing real? And
so I described it to my husband and he's like, well,

(30:18):
that sounds almost like what Indian Kevin had described to
us whenever he was talking about the man that lives
behind him in the woods. And I'm like, well, what
does he say it is? And he said it was
a shape shifter, it was a dog man, and it's

(30:40):
supposed to be this older gentleman. Well, about a week
or so went by and Kevin finally come over to
talk to us about it. And he had told me
that every once in a while that on Moccasin Trail
somebody gets a glimpse of this animal. Well, this creature,

(31:01):
it's always running down the side of the road, but
it never stops its pace to turn to look at you.
It just keeps going. And I will not to this day.
That has been, oh my goodness, probably four years ago,
but to this day, I will not go down maccasentrail

(31:25):
at night time. With everything that I've been told about
it and all the sightings now of this creature, I
will not go down that road. And you can sit
out in my yard. We have hamm aches and you
can sit out on the hamm inch or lay on
the hamm ink at night time. And I have a

(31:47):
twullion shepherd at a rockwaller and three Calahula hounds, and
whenever my dogs start barking, you know that there's something
out there. Will you can't see it. You can feel it,
and you can get that sense of smell off of it,

(32:08):
but you can't see it.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
When you saw that creature on Moccasin Trail, it sounds
like it might have been a dog man. I'll give
you that, But did that have any effect on your
interest in heading back into the woods. I know you
won't drive that road after dark anymore.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, with the first sighting I had, and with that,
I go to the woods, but I never venture out
along at nighttime. Before I would go trumping at nighttime
by myself. But now I don't go in the woods
unless I have a dog with me or my husband's

(32:46):
with me, because it unnerves me. I mean from a
country girl that was born and what you know, raised
in the woods and never scared of nothing, this put
a fear of got in me that i'd never had.
It scared me.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Oh, I'm sure it did. But is that more to
blame on the first sighting that you had with the
two sasquatch or that last one with that dog.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yet, I don't think the first siding with the two
big but really enerved me as much as what this
creature did, because just the enormous size of it on
fours and thinking that it might have been a wolf,

(33:34):
and then the way the face was shaped, it was scary.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Oh, I'm sure it was. Yeah, sounds like you definitely
had a dog mean encounter before February of two thousand
when you had your first sighting. What were your thoughts
and opinions on the existence of Sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, I had seen the legend of Boggy Creek and
I had always interested, but I never really gave it
a second thought of something like that really existing and
being in the woods. You know, it's like pretty much
everybody else does. Until I see it, I'm not going

(34:15):
to believe it. And that's I guess was my thought
pattern until I did see it, and then you know,
I'm glad I seen it. With the police officer, his wife,
and my friend because you know, the officer and his
wife had decided not to tell anybody because of the

(34:37):
position that he had and people thinking that he was crazy,
until I dug up, you know, the ranger that had
seen it. And then he's like, well, maybe I ought
to say something, And I said, well, you know, people's
going to make fun of you, but don't hold back

(34:59):
because you've seen this. We all seen it together. And
so that's when he pretty much him and his wife
came out and told their story to back us up.
Where you know, people who were laughing at us and
didn't think that we were very credible, they took his
word and knew that he was a very credible person.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
That sure was awfully and nye of that man and
his wife to do that, because as you know, most
people wouldn't have done that. They would have just left
you on your own.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, well, his position of being a deputy sheriff. You know,
if I felt that if he would have told someone
on what we saw, because he was the one who
initially seen it first cross the road by itself, and
my theory was, you know, they probably got separated and

(35:52):
he crossed the road to go to get the other one,
the smaller one, and if Manny hadn't seen the first one,
you know, we would have never had our experience. And
that's what I told him. I'm glad you stopped, you know,
And I'm glad I did have a chance to see
this because so many people, you know, they wait a

(36:13):
lifetime to experience what we got to see. And I'm
glad of that man. And I'm not you know, I'm
a little bit leary of telling people of being you know,
made fun of. But you know, the truth is the truth.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yes, ma'am, that's it. That's true. The truth is the truth.
And I'm so glad he did stop, because, as you know,
that's a once in a lifetime experience, although as fate
would have it, you've had more than one sighting, but
for most people that would just be a once in
a lifetime experience. When you saw those two sasquatch standing
there together that night, did it look to you like

(36:50):
the black one was dominant over the reddish brown one
or did they seem to both have an equal status.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
No? No, the black one for sure was very dominant.
That's why my theory is maybe it was a smaller female,
or maybe it was a juvenile, but it was to me.
I mean, I don't know how big juvenile sasquatch get,
but this was where it came to, was the shoulder

(37:23):
of the bigger black one. And it wasn't as big
of a mass as what the black one was.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
It was nighttime, of course, and it's not like you're
right up on them. But were you able to make
out any details of their faces?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
No, no, where the way that it happened, that it
was so fast they were. I mean you could see
the massive size of them, but they were so fast
across the road you couldn't see their faces. And I
was so shell shocked. It was like, ah, what was that?

(38:02):
You know, we all were, but Manny had seen it first,
you know, and I seen it on the ridge and
from a distance you really couldn't tell the a massive
size of him until the headlights hit him. And like
I said, the only thing I was focused on was
just the mid section, you know, the size. It was

(38:27):
just it shook me up.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, I'm sure it did. You did an awfully good
job noticing the details that you noticed, so you deserve
credit for that. And you said you were a shell
shocked when you looked out the window and saw them.
Were you more afraid or more curious?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I was curious, But to be honest, I was more
afraid because I'm thinking the massive size of this big
black one, it could have shoved the car over the embankment,
I mean just by itself. And you know, that's my
theory of things that was going through my mind, like

(39:11):
is this thing going to stop in his tracks? Is
it going to try to attack the car? You know?
But it was more it wanted to get away from us.
It wanted to get down that embankment. And it was,
like I said, it was a sixty foot drop down
and they had broke Whenever we went back the next

(39:31):
day to look at where they went down, they had
broke sapling trees that was pretty good size, and there
was a path all the way down that they broke.
And for them to get down that so quick, and
you know, it just it's astonishing.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, astonishing doesn't do it any justice, does it? No, sir, No,
it doesn't. Did you see an qualities they have? They
gave you the impression that they just might have been
spiritual beings or do they just seem to be flesh
and blood creatures.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
They just seemed to be fleshing blood creatures. But I
had an opportunity this past weekend to go on a
bigfoot expedition with some really and we went on this
expedition and we didn't get to see anything, and it

(40:34):
was that Boggy Creek where the Legend of Boggy Creek
was filmed. But what we did see made true believers
out of us. The man that had invited us down
there had cast a footprint that was fifteen inches long
by I think it was six inches, and he was

(40:58):
showing us that. Anyway, we're walking through his woods at night,
and we start getting tree knocks, you know, you can
hear tree knocks to the north of us, and then
there's some on the south of us, way off in
the distance, and he's like, there they go, there they go,
and I'm like, there goes he goes the Sasquatch. They're

(41:20):
talking to each other through here, and he had three
huge cane corsos and we're walking through there and they
just stop and sit down, all three of them. They're
like sitting down right straight across from each other, and
they're doing this very low ground and he said, everybody stop,
you know, and there's five of us tramping through these woods.

(41:42):
So we stop, and you could hear these wooden knocks again,
but they're closer, and these cane corsos all three get
up and run off in the woods, and you hear
them growling and barking, and you hear something else going on,
and I'm thinking, well, it might be a pig, because
I know they have you know, wild pigs there. And

(42:06):
this went on for about ten minutes, and finally they
came back to us and sit down again, and I
told the gentleman that had invited us on this expedition,
I said, well, I'm ready to go back. Let's regroup
and think about what we're going to do as a plan,
because they're close to us. So we walked back, and

(42:30):
whenever we walked back, after what had happened, all these
men they decided they wouldn't want to go back into
the woods. So I'm like, okay, well I'm not going
in the woods by myself. But you know, my theory is,
I never heard on the first sighting, I never heard

(42:50):
the first wood knock. I never heard, you know, anything
except for them like growling and making this sound, which
I know bears make that sound too, So on this expedition,
the only thing that I can say that I could,

(43:11):
you know, put faith into is the smell. It was
like a really musky smell, like everybody says, a wet dog,
And that's what it smells like. It smells like a
wet dog that hasn't had a shampoo on it for

(43:31):
a long time. It's got this bad odor to it.
And that's what we smelled before the dogs took off.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
When you smelled that stench, did you ever notice like
a like a taste of bad taste in your mouth
is almost so stinky you could taste it?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
No, but my eyes were watering. It's I mean, if
you would throw a skunk with a wet dog with
a bunch of mold and mildew, that would probably sum
up the smell.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, that pins a pretty bad picture right there. After
you got out of the area where that smell was,
did that smell cling to you the way a skunk
smell would or once you're away, was the smell gone.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
No, once we were away, the smell was gone. But
his dogs had the odor on them.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, they're right. If they're on it, that does make sense.
I'm so glad none of those dogs got hurt, though.
Kanye Corsos are really neat dogs.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Well, actually, the man says that one killed his dog
and one of his horses. Whenever he first moved there.
He had the big one. I don't remember what he
called it, but it got into a fight with something

(44:54):
and you could hear them running and the dogs started screaming.
And he finally found the dog and its ribs had
been crushed like something just hit it, pounded it and
crushed its ribs. And then the horse. Something was running
the horse, and by the time he caught up with

(45:19):
the horse, the horse had just plummeted over this little
hill and was laying there bleeding. And there was deep
claw marks on the side of this horse. And I
asked him, I said, well, there's panthers out here that
I know of, you know, I know they're here. Do
you think that could have been a cat? And he's like,

(45:40):
not the way that the claws, the part that they
were as far as part, he said, it wasn't a
cat that did this. And he's about I don't know,
fifteen miles from Boggy Creek.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Wow, close, Yeah, it does make you wonder if it
might have been a dog man. Although Sasquatch do have
nails that they can use, I guess kind of light
claws when they're processing game that they've dispatched. But yeah,
that doesn't seem to match their killing strategy. Normally they
use blunt four. So there's a strong possibility it might

(46:19):
have been a dog man.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It could have been, because I'm telling you whenever you
get out and trumping around where I'm from and down
where we were at over this past weekend, it's just
I mean, the thicket down in Arkansas was real bad
with the trees. The trees are real big because they're
mostly pine trees and there's a lot of sycamore trees

(46:43):
down there, but the underbrush is real thicket and vines.
And you know, my theory is because I've done a
lot of research on this and I've read a lot
about it. You know, the sasquatch doesn't hand claws like that,
so they I don't see how they could have done

(47:05):
harm like that with a you know, clawing into dog men.
Yeah maybe you know, but I know that there's something there.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, that's the whole point right there. Whatever it was,
there was something there that had the power and ability
to do that to that horse, which that's really frightening
in and of itself. Wow, the next morning after you
had your first sighting, when Utes and Markets headed back
to the place where you saw those sasquatch the night before,
how concerned were you for your safety when you did that?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I was buried. That's why I had two forty glocks
on me. I mean, I was scared. I was really scared.
And you know, but then I was thinking, well, as
big as they are and as big as this thing is,
I don't you know, maybe this isn't going to stop them.
And I you know, my son has always been a hunter.

(48:04):
You know, he's hunted squirrel and rabbit and you went
and coon hunting with the neighbors, so you know, he's
never been in a situation of being scared like that. Now,
whenever we found the deer, that's another thing that it's
sort of got my curiosity of why on earth? You know,

(48:28):
their necks were broke, but the only part that was
gone off of these deers was the hind quarters. You know,
why wouldn't they eat the organs? Why didn't they take
the organs out? You know, the heart, the liver. You know,
why didn't they take the hind quarters and you know,
are the you know, the front instead of the hind

(48:51):
You know, just a lot of questions went through my mind.
I started doing research and reading up on what other
people had, you know, found and seen. And I know
that there was two more incidents that I had found.
One was in Ohio and the other one was in
Kentucky where the hind quarters were taking off the deer.

(49:13):
But that, you know, it just it's mind boggling. You
have so many questions. You're already in true because you've
seen these creatures and you want to know what they are.
And yes, I was scared for my son, you know,
and protests because her knees she just had to operate on,
not you know, long after we were trumping it, you know,

(49:35):
down in the woods and stuff. But you know, I
guess you have this drive about you that you want
to know, you want to find out what it is,
and it pushes you, you know, and you just sort
of let that fear go and you just keep going
because you want to. My thing was I wanted to

(49:55):
I wanted to see it again. I wanted to see again,
to document that I seen this and here's what the
facial features look like. You know, my credibility was pretty
good because I had a good, you know, rapport with
my you know, town and countrymen and everybody. They knew me,

(50:17):
they knew my father, they knew that what I said
was the truth. That you still have that little bit
in you that you're scared to say something because you're
afraid to get you know, you're gonna get made done of.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh yeah, that's totally natural when you're dealing with something
like that. But I'm wondering, though, you said you wanted
to see them again. Well, when you're laying in your
tent that night and that one was looming over the
wall of your tent, where you're starting to think to yourself,
I don't know, maybe I don't want to see one
again exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
You don't know how close. I had my hand on
the zipper and I was I kept thinking to myself,
open it up. What's it gonna do? Is got to
kill you? And you know I wanted to undo it.
But then I kept saying, you know, common sense, this
thing's big. You don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yes, only natural. I have second thoughts like that, especially
in the situation like that. And when you found those
mangled deer by the key with all that meat left
on them, would you consider that to be wanton slaughter
when you consider how wasteful it was to kill those
deer and leave all that meat on them.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yes. And the thing that I couldn't understand is up
there there's black panther, there's all kinds bobcats. Okay, whenever
they got a smell of that dead animal, you know,
their predator. Usually what they do is they come, they'll
take it, you know, they will take it, and they'll
run off with it. How come they didn't do that?

(51:53):
You know? How come they didn't bother those even you know,
if you're getting into a small animals, foxes, you know,
and things like that. You know they have wolvel rings
up there. You know, they're predator animals. They're gonna take,
you know, something like that and run off with it.
They didn't bother those.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, that's not the first case of me hearing about
them seemingly spraying me to doing something to the carcasses
where other creatures don't want to have any part to
do with them. So it does make you wonder what
they do, but there's something there. There's something that they do.
You saw those two sasquatch next to Tessa's property there,
You said, did she ever express any concerns about her

(52:38):
safety after seeing them so close to her property line?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yes, yes she did. She was terrified. She had her
husband put up all kinds of security lights around their
house and cut down because I told you the trees
had been neglected, they were overgrown, but the ones closer
to their house, they cut them down and pretty much

(53:05):
cleared off around their house because she had to go
to work early of the morning. And I asked her
prior to this happening or after, I'm sorry this happening,
I asked her if she had ever heard anything or
even noticed it, and she said, no, she really never

(53:26):
gave it a thought. You know, she might have, but
she really never gave it a thought. And I said, well,
you know, afterwards, have you heard anything since you cleared
the trees out and stuff? And she said that her
and her husband has her you know, tree knocks. But

(53:47):
I do have another theory on this whole thing. Like
I said, I was so intrigued on my first slighting
and wanting to know, you know, what it was and
the travel of them. Okay, the night after and we
were sitting on that ridge, they were coming through a

(54:07):
small creek walking up. You could you could tell them
in different you know, in the distance how they were traveling. Well,
is that like a highway for them? Is that how
they travel? Do they travel in the streams where they're
not noticeable? You know? It got me thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Well, it's hard to patter them. I guess it's impossible
to pattern them. So I think they just take advantage
of whatever they have access to. Sometimes they will use
things like that to travel. And who knows how they
travel outside of that. All we can do is guess
when you went out with tests on that overnight and

(54:51):
heard that rooster call, could you tell that it wasn't
a real rooster because of the creature making the call
having too deep of a voice, or for some other reason.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Well, I was born and raised on a farm not
far from where Tess lived at and we had roosters
and chickens and you know, hogs and cows and horses.
But you could tell it was a mockery because it
would start going like that and then it was like
a growl, and you could tell it wasn't a rooster,

(55:24):
just like the owl noise that we heard prior to
that night. You know, you could tell that it wasn't
an owl because it was like it was trying too
hard to be an owl. That makes sense, That's the
only way I can express it. You know. The rooster

(55:44):
was it didn't get that last bit of and it
was more of a growl. And then with the owl,
it didn't even get to the last part of the owl.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, well, out there the way they do, you'd be
awfully bored too, So they have to pass time somehow.
Sometimes I wonder if they just wing it and they're
not trying to be all that accurate with their calls.
But all we can do is guess on that. Does
that part of Park County, Indiana where you had your
sighting have a lot of springs, creeks and moving water

(56:20):
in that area or it's moving water hard to find.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
No, it has a lot of underground springs, a lot
of moving water. Like I said, Park County is known
for the covered bridges up there. They have festival every
year called Park County Covered Bridge Festival. So there's a
lot of water.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
No wonder the Sasquatch like that area so much.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yeah, you have several lakes around there, but as far
as moving water, you have several rivers that flow through there.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, that would explain it. When you had your Concho,
Oklahoma siding, how much time had passed since you had
your first siding at Falling.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Rock about twenty four years a long time.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Do you think those two sidings might have been connected,
because it seems like once you have one siding with Sasquatch,
it seems like it makes you more likely to have another.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I'm I'm not really sure because, like I said, the
way that Concho, Oklahoma is set up, it's a tribal land,
it's the reservation and there's only a small segment of woods.
Rest of it is just flat plains where they have buffalo, horses,

(57:40):
cows out there. And you know, once you get talking
to the Indians that live out there, the shyna Rapaho,
they can tell you stories of hearing things and seeing
things and things running the buffaloes, you know, and they
never have found any dead buffalo, lower cows or horses

(58:01):
in that area. But it is just astonishing that something
could be there and get away so fast, you know,
because it's planes and you can see for miles and
miles and miles.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, people who live out there, who are in the
Sasquatch they talk about how if you just look across
the planes, you wouldn't think that there could be any
Sasquatch out there. But I guess there are a lot
of ravines and other areas where you just don't see
those spots where they can just come and go and
make a living without ever being seen unless you're right
on top of them.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well, I guess whenever they have powwows out there. I've
never seen one at the powwow, and I've been to
several out there. As soon as they start doing the
dancing and singing. Whenever they start on the drum, they
say that they can see their eyes illuminate from either

(58:57):
flashlights or the because they have a big fire going.
And I asked them, I said, well, you say illuminate,
do they glow? And everyone I spoke to said that yes,
their eyes glow. And I'm like, well, are they far apart?
Are they close together? And they've told me know that

(59:19):
they're pretty far apart, but like they'll blink real slow
and then it's like they turn away. So that was
an interesting thing that I had never heard of, and it,
you know, got me wanting to maybe go out there
and sit while they have a powwow and play music

(59:40):
and see what's out there.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Well, even if you don't see any sasquatch or I glow,
you're still at the powwow. That'd be amazing in and
of itself. Yeah, definitely. You told us about that footage
you saw of that huge sasquatch on the casino security footage.
Do you know if that it's the same footage that
so many people in the Bigfoot community have been talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I think it is, but it all of a sudden
got lost. There were several people, Robert Swang I think
he saw it, and a few other people, but the governor,
who was governor of the tribe, he did not want

(01:00:27):
a lot of people to see it. Afterwards, after it
was getting out and people were talking, so it come
up missing. No one knew what happened to it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Well, that's strange when what happened to it. I wonder
if there was some foul play there. Oh yeah, yeah,
I'd say that's a given. It would have been a reach.
But did you ever try to get your hands on
a copy of that footage.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
No, because my ex husband at time had asked his cousin,
who then was chief of the tribe, if there was
any way that, you know, he could get a copy
of it, and he said, don't ask. You know it's gone,
and that's we'd left it at that, So I never

(01:01:15):
tried to pursue trying to maybe talk to legislator to vote,
maybe let us get a copy, but it come up
missing and no one knows where it's at. But you
can go any day of the week to Concho and
ask them about sasquatch and there's hundreds of stories that

(01:01:37):
you can come out with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Yeah, I've heard about a lot of sightings. There must
be a hodspot. Did you buy that five acre property
outside of Shawnee due to it being in a great
place to find sasquatch or for some other reason?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
No, just to get because at the time I was
living in town and I'm not a town person, and
we got a good deal on it, and like I said,
we're stuck out in the middle of a big woods. Basically,
I have a neighbor that's about oh, I don't know,

(01:02:13):
she's a little ways behind us. And then on the
side of us, I have another neighbor who has what
do you call those dogs, the white ones Pyrenees. She
has a bunch of pyrenees that runs like twenty five acres.
And you know, just the things that's out here you

(01:02:33):
can hear, you know, you just have to sit and listen.
And I mean, like I said, I was born and
raised in the country, and I know that different areas
have different wildlife. But the stuff that me and my
husband have heard here, I've never heard it before. You know,

(01:02:54):
a fox makes a funny sound. Peacock will make a
funny sound. I have a peak, you know, and if
you're not used to hearing it, you you know, it
would scare you. It was scar the bejeebers out of you.
And even a beaver can make a funny sound. But
I don't know what I saw in this from my

(01:03:15):
house to where I seen what I did on Moccasin Trails,
probably about seven miles eight miles clothes. Yeah, it's not
too far.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, that's not that far at all. So you bought
that house, that property because you wanted to live in
the big Woods. I can definitely understand that. I do. Well,
it's about time for us to call it here, Anita,
but before we do, I just want to thank you
so much for coming on to sharing the details of
those experiences with us. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Well, thank you for having me on. And maybe somebody
would hear what I had to say, and they're not
telling their story, maybe they'll eventually speak on their story
and get it out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I hope it does prompt them to do that. I
really do. But thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night. That's it for another episode
of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had
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(01:04:25):
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