Sasquatch on the Rocks - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 507

Bryan is an avid kayaker and camper who lives in Central Iowa. Bryan spends as much of his free time as possible enjoying the great outdoors. Unfortunately, he had an experience, in May or June of 2016, that tarnished his love of being in the great outdoors. When he had that experience, he and 13 of his friends were kayaking down the Middle Racoon River. Some of them were very experienced at kayaking, others were novices. The group was approaching a place in the river that could be dangerous for novice kayakers, so Bryan and his good friend, Mark, decided to paddle ahead so they could stand on a sandbar that would allow them to watch the novices navigate that dangerous stretch of the river. Before Bryan and Mark made it to that sandbar, however, a rock the size of a softball hit the water inches from Mark’s kayak. What happened next forever changed how Bryan and his friends look at the great outdoors. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to Bryan chronicle what happened that day. If you do, you’ll understand why Bryan feels angst when he thinks about what happened.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Brian. I'm an avid kayaker and camper.
I live in Central Iowa. Spend nearly all of my
free time on the river kayaking and camping and fishing,
and I just really enjoyed the great outdoors. I'm going
to start my story with something that happened to my
girlfriend back in nineteen ninety nine. She and her friend

(00:37):
worked overnight at a bar, and so they would work
till two o'clock in the morning. They'd get home around
two two fifteen am. Well, one night I was up
waiting for them, and I noticed her car came flying
in the drive. It didn't even take time to really
let the garage door open. She and her friend came

(00:57):
in the house just hysterically crying and shaking, and I
ran out to the garage to meet them because I
could hear them. You know, this being summertime, the windows
were open, so I could hear them panicking out there.
So I go out there and they said that they
had a very large, hairy creature pacing their car at

(01:21):
forty five miles an hour. Now, the road that they
were driving on runs parallel to the Middle Raccoon River,
and the Middle Raccoon River will come into play here
in a little bit once again. So I, like I said,
I went out there to meet the two of them,
and they had told me this almost unbelievable story about

(01:42):
this creature running beside their car, and they said it
was at least seven feet tall and was running forty
five miles an hour in the ditch alongside of them. Now,
where they got lucky was there's an underpass that goes
underneath the railroad tracks and this creature lost the car

(02:03):
when the road took a slight s curve and the
creature apparently just ran out into the cornfield as it
crossed the railroad tracks. Now, me being a twenty one
year old punk kid, I didn't really believe their story.
I never gave sasquatch or cryptids for or any of

(02:25):
this any thought ever. It was all just fairy tales
to me. After hearing the story, you know, we kind
of laughed about it for a few years, and every
time she would mention it to somebody. I would kind
of roll my eyes and I just thought it was silly.
But she never let me forget that night. And that'll

(02:48):
come up again too years past. Let's say it's probably
twenty the end of twenty fifteen. We were at a
wedding and she was discussing this with her friend that
also witnessed this with her, and it came up again,
and there were several people at the wedding that actually

(03:10):
had witnessed something very similar in this same area. I
don't know the details of any of their stories, but
it was credibility for these, you know, two women that
I absolutely thought were out of their mind. So forward
to the summer of twenty sixteen. I was out in
my front yard. I work at a golf course, so

(03:34):
I wake up at three point thirty in the morning
to go mow the greens. I like to get there
and get the greens mode before the golfer show up,
because I don't like getting hit with golf balls. But
so I was leading for work by you know, four o'clock.
So I'm out on my front porch just taking in
the morning, you know, getting ready to hop in my
pickup truck and head to the course, and I noticed

(03:54):
across the street there's my diagonal neighbors. How it was
an old farmhouse that was on top of a hill.
But down in his backyard, say two hundred yards down
this very steep incline was this middle Raccoon River. So
I'm on my front porch, just sitting out there relaxing,

(04:16):
trying to take in the morning, and I noticed these
two glowing orbs about the size of ping pong balls,
were kind of I'm going to say, fluttering around Jeff's garage.
This was my neighbor, was Jeff, And it was almost
like these two blue orbs were dancing with each other

(04:38):
and playing. They were off the ground, about a foot
and a half or two feet tall. It was almost
like two butterflies fluttering around in the wind. But they
would go around the garage and around the garage, and
then they'd come back the other way. And this whole experience.
I was actually late for work that morning because I
watched him for so long. It probably lasted twenty minutes

(05:00):
until one time they just went behind the garage and
I never witnessed them again. I've never talked to Jeff
about it, because here I am I'm a non believer
in this kind of cryptid, weird world that I now
know is absolutely one hundred percent true. So it is June.

(05:21):
It was either May or June of twenty sixteen. And
like I said, Avid kayaker, me and my friend Mark
were on the Raccoon River three four times a week.
We would float from Panora, Iowa, to Redfield, which is
about an eighteen mile stretch. You know, we knew this
river like the like the back of our hands. We

(05:42):
took a large group out that day. There was fourteen
of us total. Some of the people were amateurs and
some of them were kind of novice kayakers. But there
is a few corners on that stretch of the river
where they have Eddi's where Eddie lines, where the water
will swirl and it'll almost take the back of your
kayak down and try to sink you. Well, we were

(06:04):
coming up on one of these places that we knew
one of these kind of dangerous corners was, and with
rookies there, we thought me and Mark will paddle aheads.
We paddled ahead of the group about a quarter of
a mile. We were just going to pull over on
the sandbar and make sure everybody made it through or
didn't hitney rocks, didn't get sucked under, didn't hitney logs

(06:27):
like that. But before Mark and I got to that sandbar,
a rock that was at least the size of a
softball came and splashed right next to Mark's kayak. Which
Mark and I were always very competitive in having the
nicest kayaks, so every year we try to outdo each
other with nicer and newer boats. Well, Mark looked at

(06:50):
me very frustrating and says, why did you throw a
rock at my kayak? And I looked at him like, dude,
I didn't throw a rock at your kayak, but it
was enough that it got him wet with the splash about.
You know, he was just giving me that evil eye
grimace look like he thought I was lying to him.
And then about five or ten seconds later, another rock

(07:14):
came and splashed right next to my kayak, and he
witnessed this, and he actually saw where the rock was
coming from. Now, across from the sandbar that we were
stopping at was a probably a forty foot bluff. Now,
the Middle Raccoon River is maybe twenty yards wide, and

(07:35):
it's only about wist deep. If you were to wade
through it. But this bluff is about, you know, forty
yards tall, and on top of that is a ridge
of trees that you know, it's it's you can almost
barely see through it. There's so much foliage on the trees,
and there's so many trees up on this cliff. So
we're kind of gandering looking at who is up there

(07:58):
throwing rocks at us, because behind this huge forest on
top of this ridge is nothing but soybean and cornfields.
There's no houses around for miles. As Mark and I
were sitting there, we saw a figure behind a pretty
large tree. The tree was probably about three foot in diameter,

(08:21):
probably forty feet tall. The tree that this creature happened
to be standing behind as the rest of the group
was coming up to us. You know, they had their
bluetooth stereos playing and making all kinds of racket laughing,
and me and Mark are trying to get their attention
to hey, settle down, settle down, there's something up on
this ridge throwing rocks. So they get up there and

(08:44):
they're laughing at us. They're like, oh whatever. We finally
got Brandon to turn his radio off, and as there
was fourteen of us standing there on the sandbar. We
were watching this figure that it was kind of built
like a triangle, but it was. His feet were very narrow,
but it's shoulders had to be four and a half

(09:04):
foot wide. The creature was at least eight foot tall.
I want to stay closer to ten foot tall. Mark
Mark said eight, but I honestly think it's taller. This
bluff is so steep that none of us have ever
climbed up there to do a size comparison with a person.
I'm actually kind of afraid of heights, so i have
no desire to climb up the rock face. But anyway,

(09:26):
for about two minutes straight, the fourteen of us stood
on this sandbar with basically our jaws on the sand,
not believing what we're seeing. This creature was swaying back
and forth. Its left arm was wrapped around this three
foot round tree, and it would peak out and then
it would go back and it would peak out the

(09:48):
other side. But the whole time we could see either
one shoulder or the other because the creature was wider
than the tree. So no more rocks were thrown or anything.
We were all just standing there in complete awe of
what was happening now. It took about, like I said,

(10:10):
about two minutes, two and a half minutes, and the
creature literally just vanished. I can't explain it. It sounds
absolutely crazy. But as it did one of its sways,
it went back and then the other shoulder never popped
out the other side. I don't know if it turned
sideways and walked away diagonally to where nobody could see it,

(10:34):
but it literally just vanished. We couldn't hear any sticks breaking,
there's a lot of leaves on the ground, couldn't hear
any leaves moving, couldn't hear anything at all. It literally,
like a poof of smoke, was just gone. Now we
all discussed this, you know, we got back in our boats.

(10:57):
We probably stayed on that sandbar for another twenty minutes,
open to see what this was again. And like I said,
this was in the middle of nowhere. It was the
middle of June. If somebody was up there in a
Bigfoot costume, they would have been sweating to death, and
we most certainly would have heard them walking away up
this bluff, which is almost impossible to traverse anyway, even

(11:21):
without a silly suit on. We, like I said, stood
there for another twenty minutes, and finally we decided, well,
we better get on down the river here because the
sun was going to set in a couple hours and
we still had about eight miles to go. We all
discussed what we were seeing on the way back. We
were almost silent, but we were just wow, did you

(11:44):
see that? Yeah, we saw what do you think that?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't know. There was a lot of people that
were just in complete disbelief. Now to this day, me
and Mark are the only ones that still talk about this.
As I was telling Vic, it's almost like the others,
well have some kind of amnesia or are too terrified
to talk about the experience of that day. I talked

(12:07):
to Mark about this yesterday because I knew I was
coming on this podcast, and he is the only person
that I can discuss this with that doesn't look at
me like I'm purple that it's the most frustrating thing
because we all witnessed this. Now, I've talked to a

(12:30):
few other people that have had some strange experiences on
this river. I have a friend that owns a campground
up there a few miles north of where we were,
and his dad had owned this campground since the mid
nineteen fifties, and his dad always talked about the boogers,
the booger people that lived in the woods. And I
just blew it off, just like I did with my

(12:52):
girlfriend back in the day, not thinking anything of it.
I was like, Oh, my friend Kelly that runs the
campground is just trying to scare us, you know. He'd
come in the middle of the night and shake our
tents or whatever, which he never actually did, but I
just thought it was a scare tactic to try to
roul us up. But he said his dad has had
experiences on this river since the nineteen fifties. So I

(13:15):
got on the BFRO website the other day and was
looking at the map of sightings, and I've noticed that, oh,
about seven miles south of where we were there was
a sighting, and then up by Lake Panorama, which is
actually where we started kayaking that day, there's a big
dam in campground up there that somebody has had a

(13:40):
sighting up there as well. So it's not like we
are the only ones that have seen this. But of
the fourteen of us, I just am I'm almost frustrated
that only Mark and I are the ones that seemed
to talk about this, and I was kind of hoping
he'd come over tonight and do this pod cast with
me so that you could get his details as well.

(14:02):
But the way that it was, when this creature was
up on top of the bluff, he was on the
west side of the river, and we were on the
sandbar on the east side, and the sun was kind
of setting a little bit, so the sun was behind it,
so I didn't really get a look at the face
of this sasquatch as it was kind of just blurred

(14:26):
with black. But I noticed that the fur was very,
very dark, like almost a black black, like the blackest black,
except for when the sun would hit it. It had
a tinge of red, like almost like a orangutang red
to it when it would sparkle in the sun. And

(14:47):
you know, all of us were out there with cell phones.
I don't know why none of us took video or
took pictures. And again it was it was forty to
sixty yards away from us, but we certainly could have
caught something, but none of us thought about it, which
is the strangest thing. Now. I went back to this
location a couple months later, and I sent Vic a

(15:08):
picture of where this happened. Unfortunately, when I went back,
it was fall and all the leaves were off the trees,
so you couldn't really tell just how dense this forest
is on top of this bluff. But it's somewhere that
I really, really, I want to go back there seven

(15:29):
days a week next year. I don't know why I've
procrastinated since twenty sixteen to get out there so much.
I mean, we still float that stretch of river, but
not three to four times a week like we used to.
In fact, a lot of those people that were with
us won't even kayak to this day. They won't camp
with us. They have just pretty much given up on
the woods. But they say they don't remember this experience,

(15:52):
so it's all very strange to me in hindsight. I
would love to experience this again. I wish that I
would have been thinking that day and took you know,
I could have had a perfect two minute video of
this thing swaying back and forth. But there was no sounds,

(16:13):
no smells, nothing out of the ordinary except for the
rocks being thrown, and with the precision of how the
rocks were thrown. It was a Major League Baseball pitcher
couldn't have thrown rocks so perfectly to land so close
to our boats at such a distance without either hitting

(16:34):
one of us or being way off kilter to where
we wouldn't even have noticed the rock. We would have
thought it was a beaver slapping its tail or a
fish jumping or something of this nature. But it was
the wildest experience of my life. I almost to this
day still don't believe what my eyes saw, but I
have to. It was right there in front of me.
And I'm just glad that Mark is a witness that

(16:56):
stands by me with this and knows exactly what we
witnessed that day. So in the future, next year, I'm
gonna I'm gonna try to hit that stretch of river
with every every chance that I get. And like I said,
I'd like to find a way to camp up on
top of that bluff for you know, maybe a week
straight and just see what happens, and do it in May, June, July,

(17:18):
you know, once a month, twice a month, to see
if it's a migration pattern where they're coming through there
at that time, or if they live there full time,
or even to go up and look for tree structures
or you know, tree breaks or twisted trees or nests
or you know, just unusual things. And I'm not a
fan of I know a lot of people like to

(17:40):
talk about gifting. That's not something I really want to
get involved with. But I think if we just went
out there and set up a campfire and just minded
our own business and maybe it would come find us.
So in the future, I hope to have more more
experiences with what exactly happened that day and what this

(18:02):
creature was, and maybe actually get some decent photographs or
video of it. And I would like to take, you know,
a group of people, not as large as we had
last time, but I'd love to go out with like
four or five buddies and just like I said, set
up there for three, four or five, six seven days
a few times next summer and the summer after and

(18:24):
really try to experience what this was. And I appreciate
you all listening to my story. And I'm almost shaking
right now telling it. My hairs are standing up on
my arms in my neck because it's just absolutely unreal.
But I appreciate you giving me the platform to do this, Victor,
thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Glad to do it. How sure are you though, that
you could handle a close range sighting.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I don't know, to be really honest. On a scale
of one to ten, my ego says I'm an eight,
but in reality I'm I'm probably more of a five.
That I might be the one over in the corner
crying if I saw this thing up close and personal.

(19:15):
But you know, I want to witness the the just closer.
I want to. I want to smell what it smells like.
I want to. I want to hear the tree knocks.
I want you know, I want to experience it full,
full throttle. That will really push me over the edge.
Because everybody's like, oh, are you a believer? Are you
a believer? I go, I'm a knower. I absolutely know

(19:36):
they exist. I cannot imagine somebody was up there fulling
with us because we were in the middle of nowhere,
and you know, this isn't a really highly kayak stretch
of the river, and where we were, there's there's no
way for anybody to get back there unless they were,
you know, walked several miles to to and for them

(19:58):
to know where we're at and when we're gonna pass
and sit there in that silly suit's just unthinkable. And
you know, we all know pranksters and things like that,
but that would be one of the dumbest pranks I've
ever heard of. I mean, the guy would have died
of heat exhaustion before we showed up. Because we like
to take our time on the river. We stop on
every sandbar, and you know, we like to look for

(20:20):
mountain lion tracks, and you know, we'll stop and cook
a whole chicken sometimes, So we'll sit on a sandbar
for two or three hours. Sometimes sometimes we don't even
make it back to our cars that night. We'll just
find a sandbar, pull over and set up, set up
a camp, and worry about the next half of the
trip the next day. So I don't know, I'm really
excited to get back out and do this again next year.

(20:43):
And I only live a few miles from this river now.
I've moved since I lived in the house where I
witnessed the orbs across the street. I live another I
don't know, eight miles from the Raccoon River now, But
it's just a hop, skip and a jump. I could
be there in fifteen minutes if I could get a
group of guys together that wanted to go out and
do this with me, you know, hop in a kayak

(21:04):
and we can float down to that location. It's just
a matter of getting up on top of that bluff.
I don't have rock propelling gear, and I have no
desire to try to scale the face of that rock.
I'd have to go in a mile ahead of time
on a sandbar somewhere, portage my boat and walk up
the embankment until you know, it started getting steep and

(21:26):
you know, not saying we have to camp in that
exact spot, but it would be nice to camp in
that general vicinity somewhere.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
From the way you describe that bluff, it sounds like
rock just cascades all the way down from the top
of the bluff down to the water's edge. But if
you could get access to the backside, could you just
walk along the land and get to that spot where
it was standing or would that also be difficult?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
It would be difficult. You know, I don't know who
the farmer is that owns the land. It'd be probably, Oh,
there's several hundred acres of farm land there, which you know,
I could probably get permission from the farmer at some
point to drive our vehicles or a vehicle to the
forest edge and then carry our camping gear, you know,

(22:13):
that extra mile and a half or whatever. So we
could get almost to the river. But it's you know,
in the middle of summer. Farmers don't want you driving
through their fields. Obviously they've got crops in the field.
They don't need us running them over. And then to
walk that fence line, boy, i'd have to I'd have
to get up, you know, like I said, at three
o'clock in the morning, and I might make it to
our campsite at noon, and I don't want to carry

(22:35):
all that gear that far. But like I said, the
other option would be to kayak in stop either a
mile before or you know, a mile or two downriver
from where we had this sighting, and try to forage
our way up through through the woods where the where
the rock face isn't so steep. But yes, the rocks

(22:57):
the rock face is absolutely straight up and down and
at least at least forty yards tall. It's a big
rock face. And what's really neat is when the water's low,
you can see where people have carved their names into
the rock from like nineteen oh eight, and so there's
been several people there before, which I think is fascinating.

(23:18):
I love history, so it's kind of cool to go
etch some of those names into a piece of paper
and try to figure out the lineage of who they
were and when they were there. But it's a really
neat place and it's steeped in Native American history as well.
We find a lot of arrowheads and stone axe heads
and things like that in that river. It's very well

(23:41):
known that there used to be Native American civilization that
lived on that river back in the day whenever that
was before the white man took all the ground and
planted all our crops.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Middle Raccoon River is a pretty unique name for do
you know what got its name?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
You know, I'm not sure. In fact, there's three forks
of it. We have the South Raccoon River, which runs
from up around I think Guthrie Center down through the
town is Stuart, and then it meets the Middle Raccoon
just south of Redfield, and we kayak that south stretch
of river quite a few times as well. There's a
really nice campground on that stretch of river called Nations Bridges,

(24:27):
which we camp there all the time as well, but
never had any strange experiences there like we have on
the Middle Raccoon, and then just east of there is
the North Raccoon River, which runs from somewhere up by Ames, Iowa,
down into the town of a Dell, and then just
between Adell and De Soto, the Middle Raccoon slash South

(24:49):
Raccoon dumps into the North Raccoon River, which then goes
into the city of Des Moines, Iowa, which dumps into
the Des Moines River eventually right right there in Des
Moines now, speaking of which, there is a town right
there on the where where the three rivers have met,

(25:13):
and there's a town called Van Meter, and they had
a sighting of something called the Van Meter Visitor. I
believe it was in nineteen oh eight. A doctor I
can't remember his name, was in his office one night,
working late, and he saw a bright light come flying
over towards his window. And anyway, I don't know the

(25:35):
exact whole story of it. If people are interested, there's
a lot of videos on YouTube about this Van Meter Visitor.
But several people throughout the week had seen this thing
shot at this thing and it reflected the bullets like armor.
But they still have to this day. In fact, I
just went a few weeks ago and went to the

(25:56):
Van Meter Visitor Festival where it's like a encryptid get
together where I met people from all over the country
that are interested in this topic. And I ran into
a guy I've give them props from Midnight Squatchers, the
same as John. He's the one that talked to me
into getting on Facebook. I've never been into social media,

(26:17):
don't care about it, you know. I was talking to
John about my experience and he goes, oh, well, you know,
you should get on Facebook and try to, you know,
talk to people about this because you have kind of
an interesting story. So I want to shout out to
John on that. But yeah, I just signed up for
Facebook three or four days ago, and I'm really really
tickled that, you know, I've met so many like minded

(26:40):
people because I kind of felt like a a loaner
in all of this, because I just I've never really
talked about this experience with many people. Anyway, my girlfriend
at the time that had the experience back in nineteen
ninety nine, I, you know, of course went home and
told her what we had witnessed, and now I hear

(27:00):
about it every day that I told you so, I
told you so. So she's kind of like my buddy
on it. Now we aren't together anymore, but we're still
really good friends, and she just she's like, I wish
you would have listened to me, because boy, if I,
if I would have listened to the two of them
that day, I would have been out on that stretch
of river more often than I was, and I would

(27:20):
have been actually paying attention for tree breaks and you know,
the strange things that come with the Bigfoot phenomenon. Uh.
I just find it all absolutely fascinating now. And there's
not a whole lot of people around here in Central
Iowa that are into the cryptid thing. And who would
have thought, you know, in the middle of Central Iowa

(27:41):
that we would have such such a you know, strange
thing going on. And it's mostly cornfields and you know,
we have a lot of woods around, but it's it's
just really wild to think that that it's actually here.
And like I said, I'm not a believer. I'm a
I'm a knower. I know exactly what I saw. I

(28:01):
know what we all saw.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
You've been force fed the same live that we all have,
So who could blame me for not believing in their existence.
The first time we spoke, he asked me if i'd
spoken with any eyewitnesses who had seen a sasquatch in Iowa.
Did you do that because you'd never heard of anyone
else having an encounter in your state or for another reason.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
No, I've talked to a few people around, Like I said,
my friend that runs the campground, he's his father always
swore up and down, which God bless you know, red soul.
He's gone now. I'd love to sit down on a
picnic table and picked his brain about what exactly he saw,
you know, from the nineteen fifties to the nineteen eighties
when he ran that campground and now Kelly runs it.

(28:45):
But Kelly has never really had any experiences that he
spoke of. He just kind of teases people about it,
which is maybe part of the reason that I just
kind of bit my lip and don't say anything about it.
But you know, after I've went to the Van Meter
Visitor Festival the year before last and kind of talk
to some people, but I never told them my personal experience,

(29:07):
just because a lot of these people aren't from here
that you know, they come in from Wisconsin or Minnesota.
Or I met people from Florida, but you know, they
talk about their skunk gape and which I find absolutely fascinating.
But I just figured, you know, here in central Iowa,
there's nothing like that. I mean, we don't have enough
huge forests to uh to hide something like that, you know.

(29:29):
But but in all honesty, we have you know, millions
of acres of untouched ground every year that's just nobody
goes to because you can't you can't hardly get to
it because of all the cornfields and the zoybean fields
or you know, it's just unexplored places that uh it's
just almost inaccessible, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, it sounds like a lot of those areas are
pretty inaccessible. Have you ever thought about checking the BF
rod to base for in your reports from that area
around the Middle Raccoon?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Uh, you know I haven't. Like I said, I got
on their their web page to look at the map,
and that's where I saw the sighting that happened in
Adell and the sighting that happened up at Lake Panorama,
But I don't know any details on it. I strictly
looked at the map. It saw the two big Foot
on the map and thought, Okay, well, these are both
on the Middle Raccoon River where I had my experience,

(30:28):
where we had our experience, I should say, but no,
I you know, and I don't know much about the BFRO.
One day you hear something good about them, the next
day you hear something bad. I don't. I don't know
one way or the other to think about it. I've
kind of just bit my lip on this whole circumstance,
and as i've as I've come out about this. Now, yeah,

(30:51):
i've been. I've been looking into it a little bit more,
but I still haven't clicked on their page to read
any any personal experiences from anybody in this general area.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Well, that's no big deal. Their website's not going to
go anywhere so down the road. If you decide to
do that, it's going to be there. The night your
girlfriend was chased in her car by that sasquatch, how
long did it take her to come down from that experience?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I don't think the two of them slept that night.
I think they they I went in and went to bed,
but they sat up in the living room, and I
don't know how long they cried for but the next
day she seemed like she was kind of back from
back to normal, although she made sure that I drove

(31:36):
her to work, her and her friend to work for
probably the next week I drove them. Then I'd had
to get up in the middle of the night to
go pick them up because they were too uncomfortable to
drive that stretch of road by themselves, which I don't
know what I was going to do, even if you know,
the sasquatch was running next to the car, I don't
know what they thought, you know, that I could protect
them from. Besides, you know, a small pistol, which isn't

(31:59):
going to do a darn thing. I would have loved
to experience it for myself so that I didn't kind
of hold this over their head for so long and
kind of chuckle at them about it, thinking that, boy,
these girls have lost their mind. So it took him,
I'm going to say, at least a week for my
girlfriend at least to kind of get over it to

(32:21):
where she started driving herself to work again, and she
knew that I was getting frustrated a waking up at
one o'clock in the morning to you know, drive ten
miles to go pick her up and then drive the
ten miles home because I get up for work anyway
at three point thirty, so I was losing a ton
of sleep that week running around after them too.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I'd say you were. How far did that first
rock hit the water by Mark that day from where
you saw the sasquatch up on the bluff.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm going to guess probably sixty yards it was, and
it missed his boat by mere inches. I mean it
landed on the what would have been the close side
to the sasquatch, So it came from the west bank
of the river and it hit what would be on
the west side of Marx kayak, but it literally missed
the whole of his kayak by I'm going to say

(33:13):
three inches, and I'm going to say just about diddo
with when it threw it at mine, except I was
up east of Mark, so it actually threw the rock
over Marx kayak, and the rock that almost hit my
boat landed in between r two boats, you know, and
within three inches of my kayak. And to have that

(33:37):
kind of precision with a rock the size of a softball,
I mean it was enough of a splash that it
you know, it doused us in water when it hit,
and so you know, we immediately decided to pull over
on the standby right there and start looking. Because that
second one that flew past Mark, he witnessed that it
was coming from up on this bluff. So I'm going

(33:59):
to say it was at least sixty yards from where
the creature had tossed it and where it got the
rocks from. I don't know. I've never been up on
top of that bluff, and it looks awful. I'm sure
there's rocks up there, but it just looks like leaves
and moss, and you know, I can't imagine. I can't

(34:21):
imagine it would have carried the rocks in there. But
you know, there was a rock face. I don't know
if it broke the rocks off from the top of
the cliff side, but they were remarkably large rocks to
be throwing that far, especially for just an average human being,
there is absolutely no way, with that kind of precision
that that would have happened. Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
It was sixty yards away or so, and it missed
by just a few inches the first time I threw
that first one. Do you think the sasquatch was trying
to hit you, and that's why I threw the second rock.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I don't think it was, I, you know, and for
some reason, I think it was trying to get our attention,
and I don't know why. I don't know if it
was because, like I said, the group of twelve that
was behind us, you know, a quarter mile or maybe
a little less by this time, because we had stopped,
but they had their radios blaring and they were laughing.

(35:17):
So I don't know if it was a scare tactic
to try to get us to keep moving on or
what happened. But none of the other twelve had any
rocks thrown at them or anything like that. But by
that time, me and Mark had our eyes on this
figure up on top of the bluff, so we were,
you know, I'm sure it was looking us dead in

(35:38):
the eyeballs. And if the sun wouldn't have been behind
this thing, we would have been looking at right in
the eyeballs too, even though it was you know, forty
to sixty yards away. And again it was forty yards
above us, and the rivers twenty yards wide. Say, so
we were we had our next kinked back, you know,
looking up. So I think it was kind of a

(36:00):
scare tactics to for us not to stop there, to
just keep going. So that way the group behind us
would just keep going to because they were loud and rowdy,
and you know, Mark and I were very you know,
we talked quietly and kayak. We kind of like to
be away from that whole group, which I do a
lot of kayak tours on that river are used to

(36:20):
anyway in a something called the Dallas County Paddlers Association,
where you know, we take groups of you know, anywhere
between five people and one group we took or one
weekend we took a group of ninety six people out
in one day. It's just a matter of I really
really think that Sasquatch was trying to just keep us moving,

(36:45):
like hey, get out of here, get out of here.
You know, like I got this close with the rocks,
I could hit you with the next one if I
wanted to. I think it was trying to tell us
to just keep going. But we did the opposite. We
all stopped, and you know, after those guys finally were
quiet and got their eyes on it too, we all
stood there just in complete disbelief, in amazement of you

(37:09):
know what we were all looking at. It was you
could have heard a pin drop. We were all so silent,
just going to ourselves like, oh my goodness, what is
that That's not supposed to exist? And like I said,
this went on for two two and a half minutes
until it finally rocked back behind that tree and it literally,

(37:31):
like a Scooby do ghost just vanished. Man. So I
think it was the scare tactic to try to keep
us moving.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did you say the weeks when he disappeared?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I'm sorry we said that one more time.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Did you say the wakes when he disappeared? He said,
it was almost like a Scooby Doo moments.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
But now that you mentioned it, boy, some of the
other people might have been thinking that. But it was
to cease something that's not supposed to exist. With so
many witnesses, that's what really blew my mind. If I
would have been out there by myself, I would have
been like, I'm absolutely losing it. You know, I'm absolutely
that didn't really happen. But to have all those other

(38:14):
people and like I said, and it's like the other
twelve don't want to discuss it now, or they've forgotten
about this experience, or they just don't want to discuss it.
I don't understand why. That's what really makes no sense
to me.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
What I don't understand is was there a place there
on the river back then that a lot of people
made a habit of stopping at a party or take breaks.
Because you're floating down the river on those kayaks, if
you're playing loud music, then yeah, it might have been
an annoyance to that Sasquatch for a brief moment. But

(38:49):
unless there is a high likelihood that you're going to
stop right there on the side of the river and
be a consistent nuisance, what's the problem. I just don't
understand why. If that was the issue, why it revealed
its presence to you.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's a mystery to me too. There's there's sandbars littered
all up and down that up and down that river
every at least every mile, there's a good sized sandbar
where you can stop and you know, you could fit
fifty or sixty kayaks up on the up on the
beach and you know, everybody'd sit around and it'd set
up volleyball nets, and you know, we did this several,

(39:26):
several hundred times over the thirty years that I'd been
kayaking this stretch of river, we always stopped on the sandbar.
We almost always stopped on every nearly every sandbar, you know,
because somebody'd have to use the restroom, or you know
a lot of dolls, somebody'd have to drain the water
out of their boat, or you know, like I said,
we'd stop and make a sandwich or cook some hot

(39:47):
dogs or a chicken or you know. So it wasn't
that we always stopped at this particular sandbar, but we
always stopped a lot of the sandbar. Say, say in
that eighteen mile straight we'd probably passed thirty sandbars, and
we'd stop on half of them. I'd say, just get out,
stretch your legs, catch up with everybody, because you know,

(40:08):
when there's so many people are in a group, it's
hard to talk to everybody, and you kind of want
to go, you know, run into seth and be like, hey,
how's it going with your first your first kayak experience
on this river? Or you know, how'd you like that
eddie line back there? Did you almost get sucked under? Hey,
you just about missed that tree, but you hit it.
I see, and you know, so it wasn't somewhere we

(40:29):
stopped regularly, but at the same time, it's kind of
fifty percent of the time we'd stop there, or we
might stop at the next one down. Or why that
sasquatch was sitting there waiting for us, or maybe it
was up there hunting. I'm not sure what exactly happened
or why it was there, or why it didn't just

(40:50):
disappear when it heard us coming down in the first
place and not throw rocks at it's It's almost like
it wanted us to see it, and it wanted to
scare us out of that. Maybe it had young around.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well did a great job of that if that's what
its motivation was. But these guys don't have any trouble
getting their points across, that's for sure. Absolutely, you were
east of Mark, you said, But how far were you
in Mark from the side of the river where the sasquatch.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Was, Oh, gosh, we were probably we were about three
quarters of the way across the river, so so, say
the river's twenty yards wide, we were probably fifteen yards
away from the bluff. We were closer to the sandbar
side because we had planned on pulling over on that sandbar. Anyhow,

(41:40):
so I'm going to say, you know, we were thirty
maybe thirty five feet from the rock face, and from
the sandbar we were maybe ten feet, so we were
closer to the east side of the river.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
With that in mind, considering how shallow that river was,
how concerned were you all of that it might try
to wade out until the water And.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, well it had a very large bluff to climb
down if it was gonna come that way towards us.
I mean, there's no way we could have paddled out
of there in time. I mean, it could have you know,
I've heard about how fast these things can run or
traverse trees or and maybe it could have been down
the face of that bluff in five ten seconds. I

(42:23):
don't know. But we were all just so dumbfounded that
we were just in awe. I mean, I I guess
it never crossed my mind that that thing might come
down the face of that rock ledge and come at us.
That never crossed my mind. It was just too steep
and it was too far up, you know, up on

(42:44):
that side that I thought, oh, there's no way it'll
come down here. And thank goodness, it didn't. But I
guess does that kind of answer your question?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, that does. I'm wondering though you said that you
couldn't have outrun it even if you tried to. How
fast was the river moving that day?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Oh gosh, it probably takes about let's see, the whole
trip the eighteen miles usually takes us about ten hours,
so you know, in a kayak, we're moving half a
mile an hour, probably something like that, or maybe you know,
it depends because some of it's you've got the wind

(43:26):
in your face, and other parts of it's a lot
of whitewater where you're really cruising along, so it's kind
of hit or miss on which stretch of the river
you're you know which portion of the river you're in,
because there's a lot of the corners that are really
fast and you don't even have to paddle, you just
have to put a paddle down to kind of steer,
and then there's other parts of the river, well you

(43:46):
got to paddle your butt off and you almost feel
like you're going backwards because the wind's that your face
so hard and it's blowing between those rock bluffs, so
you're like basically in a wind tunnel. So in hindsight.
If that thing would have came down that rock face
or even met us a mile down the river where
there was no steep rock ledge, there's no way that

(44:11):
we could have got away from it. I mean absolutely
no way. We still had, you know, nine ten miles
to paddle to get back to civilization. We would have
been toast.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, that you would have been. You had a long
way to go.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
And you know, like I said, we had hot dogs
and food with us, so I don't know if it
smelled the food. But the way the wind was blowing,
and that's another reason I don't think we smelled anything,
because the wind was coming from the east to the west,
so whatever smell we had on us was blowing up
towards it. And you know, I don't know if it

(44:49):
smelled the campfire that we had previously, maybe on the
you know, because we stopped like two or three sandbars
before this, you know, like a half hour forty minutes
before this sandbar where we stopped particularly, but you know,
we had a fire and cooked some food, so maybe
it smelled the food and it wanted to see what
we were doing. But yeah, the wind was blowing off

(45:10):
of us towards towards the sasquatch. So I can't really
answer that question definitively, but I'm just gonna go back
to I'm so grateful that thing did not come down
that rock face or meet us a mile down the
river again, because we were all just almost terrified, like

(45:31):
just dumbfounded.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Well that makes two of us. I'm so glad he
didn't do that too. That wouldn't have been pretty. I'm
trying to envision that bluff. You said that the sasquatch
seemed to just vanish in the thin air, But would
there have been any conventional way it could have left
without you seeing it, such as by belly crawling away
below the top of that bluff? That way, from your

(45:56):
point of view, it was still there, sneaking away. But
if it's below the top ridge of that bluff, it
never rises above it, you wouldn't see it leave.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Well. Now, on top of that bluff, there is a
hillside that protrudes upwards, so it could have possibly belly
crawled and stayed beneath the foliage of the trees behind it.
But what was so strange is it was wider than
the tree that it was behind, so it would peek out.
Like I said, it had its left arm around the tree,

(46:29):
and it would lean out to the right and we
could see half of its body, and then as it
went back to the left, we could see both shoulders,
one on each side of the tree. But one time,
you know, this last time that we saw the thing,
it had leaned out to the right, it had its hand,
and the hand just kind of crept around, you know,
crept behind the tree, and we never saw the left

(46:51):
shoulder come back around the tree. It either turned sideways
and somehow hit its I don't know, drough of disguise
or what, but hid itself beneath the foliage of the
surrounding trees. But as big as this creature is, I
am positive we would have heard sticks breaking. And like

(47:14):
I said, it's not a clean hillside by any means.
There's a lot of deadfall, a lot of limbs, a
lot of you know, previous storms that had knocked over trees.
I just think we would have heard something as it
either walked or belly crawled away, which I don't understand
that whole belly crawl thing that they do. That blows

(47:35):
my mind that they can do that. The spider crawl
or whatever they call it, So that is a possibility.
But I almost think it camouflaged itself so well somehow
that it literally vanished before our eyes.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You just might be right about that, And also too,
it's hard to believe how sneaky they can be when
they want it be. So how don't doubt the fact
it could have snuck out either with it hearing it.
They do so many things that are just so hard
to understand. Did the unwillingness of those twelve friends to
refuse to talk about what happened to you all that day?

(48:10):
Did it ever put your friendship with him in jeopardy
because you said it frustrated you.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I won't say it put it in jeopardy, but it
changed the outcome. It did change the outcome of our friendship.
We're still friends to this day, me and most of them,
you know, a couple of them have moved out of state,
and we kind of keep in touch once or twice
every year or two. But you know, before that, we
would always go camping together, we'd get together at my

(48:38):
place or their place for barbecues or you know, we
were all very close knit group of friends. But with
me and Mark spending so much time outdoors and up
there at the campground as well. That those people just
weren't interested in going out and doing those things anymore.
And Mark and I really never quit doing that. We

(48:59):
were more curious about the whole situation. We wanted to
go see this thing again. And we were up there
until about twenty twenty when the world shut down. We
were up there still, you know, three four times a week.
And since then we haven't really been out too often.
We've done that stretch of river a few times, but
not nearly as avidly as we used to.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Sure sounds to me like that experience ruined nature for
those twelve friends. And if that's the case, that really
is a shame.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, I honestly believe it did it, because these were
people that love to hunt, they love to fish, they
loved you know, camping, and now they just don't do it.
It's like they just want to stay in their little
bubble at home. And yeah, I think it's scared them
to death almost, And you know, something that you can't explain.

(49:52):
I could see where people kind of shy away from
it when you know, everybody likes to have the answer
to to what actually happened or what's going on on?
And I think it critically damaged these people somehow, And
I just I wish they would come out and say, hey,
I just I remember, but I don't want to talk
about it. But instead their answer is, I don't know

(50:15):
what you're talking about. I don't remember that. I don't
even remember that day, Brian, and I'm seeing her going, well,
we were all there. We all remember you being there.
You know, we have pictures which I don't know if
I sent you the pictures of our group that day
or not, But I mean we have a whole group
of close knit friends that that day changed almost everybody,

(50:40):
everybody's opinion of nature, end of hunting, end of spending
any time outside of their little bubble at home or
at work.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, it really is a shame that it affected them
that way, but you'll have that sometimes. Having said that,
do you think when it comes to most of them,
that they just don't want to talk about it, or
or do you think they actually have put that experience
out of their minds.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I can't imagine that they actually forgot about this day.
I think it's more that they don't want to discuss it.
They don't want to be the one that's I don't
know if I want to say labeled as crazy, but
you know, I don't see what would be the harm
and me and them talking about it when we all
experienced it together. Now, if they went to work and
were telling their boss about it, yeah, I could understand

(51:29):
that the boss might go, yeah, you might need to
start looking for another job. But I really think that
it foiled their whole appreciation of the outdoors. And I
really think that they all remember, and they all just

(51:50):
somehow chose to block it off from their memory or
from their discussion. You know, they don't want to talk
about it. And I don't know if any of them
have ever mentioned it to their spouses or their you know,
loved ones or whatever. I've never asked them because they

(52:10):
wouldn't tell me the truth anyway, because you know, like
I said, three quarters of them say they don't even
remember being there that day. So but I have the
photographs to prove it.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
As hard to believe as it might be, when you
have a traumatic experience, it is possible to suppress that
memory to the point where down the road you just
forget about that experience again. I realized it's hard to
accept that but that's true. Some people do that, so
that's a possible explanation. I think it's a simpler explanation

(52:40):
for most of them. I think most of them just
don't want to talk about it, but just wanted to
pose that as a possibility. When you saw those orbs
that morning, Brian, did you happen to notice if they
were emitting any sounds and also did you ever experience
any strange sensations while they were floating around?

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
No, they were completely quiet, And like I said, they
were just across the road from me, so they were,
you know, forty five feet from from my front patio
where I was sitting. But it literally it was almost
like they were dancing, but they were far enough away
from the garage that I know it wasn't, you know,
laser lights or something that somebody was shining. It really

(53:22):
reminded me of two butterflies, like fluttering around each other.
It was like they were playing. It was. It was
very strange. The guy that lives in that house that
always claimed that house was haunted, he still lives in
that house to this day. As a matter of fact,
I still talk to him every once in a while,

(53:43):
but I never mentioned to him that I saw these
two floating ping pong balls outside of his garage, and
I don't know why I never told him about it.
And again I was always kind of a uh, this
was before I you know, I saw these blue floating
balls about a week before I had my sasquatch experience.

(54:06):
So when Jeff was talking about his house being haunted,
I kind of just blew that off too, as, yeah, whatever,
you know, it's like Ashley's big foot siding whatever, that's bulloney, bulloney.
So maybe that's why I never told Jeff about, you know,
what I saw outside of his house. But no, there
was no sound there was there was there was no

(54:30):
kind of like I almost picture like an electrical buzz
or something that might happen when somebody sees these orbs.
But it was silent. But we were, you know, close
to the river, so you can kind of hear the
whitewater ripples in the background, you know, in the backyard.
But there was no traffic out because, like I said,
it was three forty five in the morning, so I mean,

(54:52):
it was very quiet that night, and it was you know,
not quite a full moon, but it was bright enough
to where you could see everything that was going on around,
just illuminated by the by the moon. But I wish,
I wish I would have said something to Jeff about
those orbs because maybe he's seen him before him. Maybe
next time I'm in the town at Redfield, maybe I

(55:13):
will stop and talk to him about it. But I
don't know. It was just it was really strange and
it was it was how do I explain it? I
can't explain it.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, I'm sure words don't do it any justice. That
must have been quite the sight to see that, I
don't doubt. Before we get out of here, I just
want to thank you so much for coming on to
share the details of those experiences with this. I really
appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
That's been my pleasure of it.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's been great talking with Yeah. Well, thank you so
much for your time and hope you have a great night.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eye Witness Radio
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
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