Squatch America - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 490

Tonight’s guest, Scot Violette, is the founder of Squatch America, which is a national Bigfoot research group. Squatch America has a self-named YouTube channel and a website where they collect sightings and reports. Scot and his wife live in an RV that they use to follow up on reports all over the U.S. Scot is also a Native American cultural anthropologist who has worked in that field for 25 years. On tonight’s show, Scot will be sharing the details from a sighting he had. He’s also going to talk about discoveries he’s made while on field investigations. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to him do that.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm Scott Billett and I am the founder of Squatch America.
We're a national bigfoot research group. I have a YouTube
channel that's called squatch America, and we also have a
website where we collect sightings and reports. And what we
do is my wife and I live full time in

(00:22):
an RV and we travel all over the United States
following up on these reports. As far as my bigfoot
sightings go, I'll have to back up a little bit
and talk about some of my sightings aren't new. To

(00:43):
put it bluntly, I am a Native American cultural anthropologist
and I've worked in that field for twenty five years,
and I would have to say my first experiences with
bigfoot sightings would be carved into rock. My first encounter
with a bigfoot was when I was working in central

(01:07):
California with a Native American tribe called the Mewalk. I
was with an elder and we were out looking at
pictograss and petroglyphs and I saw a symbol that I
couldn't recognize. That was one of my things I was
trained in. That was my favorite part of the job,

(01:27):
was deciphering pictographs and petroglyphs and I saw a symbol
like I didn't recognize, and I asked elder what is that?
And he said yah yali in their language, which means hairyman.
And I asked him, harryman, I mean, are you talking

(01:48):
like Bigfoot? And he said yes, and I said they.
I asked him do they exist? And he looked at
me like I was stupid and didn't talk to me
for two days. So that's when I really got the
first inkling that this Bigfoot creature has been around for

(02:11):
a lot longer than I had ever imagined, and how
real it was to the Native American tribes. So after
that I went on a quest to find as many
of those stories as I can't could that. Of course,
there's a famous one in Portville, California, and that was

(02:35):
I heard about that after I had did little research
to find out if there was any others. But then
I have found two others on my own, both of
are all three of them are kind of in the
Cascade Mountain range ish going from California up till uh

(03:02):
up through Oregon. And what's really interesting is the symbolism
is exactly the same. The symbols are exactly the same,
the depictions the drawing of them long long torso short legs,
long arms, arms out to the side and down to

(03:27):
show the size of these things. No neck and a head,
you know, a conical head. All these depictions are the
same creature. And I have found two of them, which
are petrol glyphs which are carved into the rock and

(03:49):
I saw and then one of them's painted on, which
is called the picturegraph. So that's what really got me
into this bigfoot subject twenty five years ago. So I

(04:10):
thought it would be a great idea to see if
there's any big foot sightings in the area. And at
the time, I was living in eastern Oregon in the
Blue Mountains, which is really famous for Bigfoot sightings if
you're familiar with the Freeman film and West Summerlin and
even doctor Jeff Meldrum's found footprints there. So I just

(04:35):
started a little Facebook page and I called the Blue
Mountain Bigfoot Research, and I ask if anybody in our
local area had any sightings. And the local newspaper guy,
who I didn't know, actually had a fondness of the
bigfoot subject, so he saw me put up the page

(04:59):
and he asked if he could do a little story
in the local newspaper in eastern Oregon, and I said sure,
So he came and we did an interview, and I
said I would like people to submit bigfoot reports to
my website. You know, I had a report for him

(05:20):
on there, and he wrote wrote the story in the
local newspaper and accidentally got picked up by the AP Newswire,
and it went all over the United States, and my
website was crashed several times of people on it trying
to submit reports. But I was able together all our

(05:46):
local reports. I thanked a lot of people for the
reports from all over the United States, but I was
only interested in the local ones. So after I had
that page up for a while, I suddenly got five
bigfoot reports in the same week by people who didn't
know each other, in the same location, you know, different times,

(06:10):
different days, but within the same week. So I thought, well,
this is probably where I need to be. So I
spent a couple of days. You know, I was still
working at the time, so after work I would drive
up to the area and spend a couple hours listening, walking,
hiking around. And then on the weekend came and on

(06:33):
a Saturday, and I planned to spend all day and
maybe spend the night up there. So I was packing
up my gear getting ready to go, and my wife
hollered at me and said she got a message from
one of her friends that her dad it was his
birthday and he had never been bigfooting, and she asked

(06:56):
if I could take him out bigfooting as a birthday present.
So I said, sure, you know, can he be ready
to go in like ten minutes or whatever, And he
was able to do so. So he pulls up to
my house and we jumped in my truck and we
drove up there. I had never met this man before

(07:17):
that day while we were driving up, driving up into
the Blue mountains of the Elkhorns just east of Baker City,
Oregon is where we were. And so we drove up
to this this site where a lot of people had
had this, had their sightings or heard noises, and we

(07:42):
jumped out of the truck and started hiking down the road.
And we weren't being stealthy or anything. You know, I
don't think you're ever going to be able to sneak
up on a big foot because you're in their house.
So I like to be more of a spectacle so
they can check me out. But anyway, we'd hiked up

(08:04):
this trail about two miles up in the mountains, and
this was probably a little over six thousand feet in
elevation and pretty dense forests, really steep terrain too, and
we were on an old logging road that had been
gated off, so it is really overgrown. But we were

(08:27):
walking up and it was in the area where the
watershed area for Baker City, I guess their water from
the creeks and rivers up there. So on one side
of the road we couldn't go into that area because
it's restricted for the watershed area. But on the other
side of the road is fair game. It's just national forest.

(08:49):
So we're walking down this trail and the first thing
that happened was the fact that we had, yeh, a smell.
Now I have heard the smell described in Bigfoot reports,
but I had never experienced myself what it was. You know,

(09:16):
I've I've smelt coyotes and skunks, and you know, then
you've got all these musky animals in the woods, bears,
but this was worse to me. It was more like
a wet dog and onions and garbage altogether. It had
a very distinct, different, harsh smell, and I couldn't really

(09:42):
tell where the smell was coming from. It kind of
stock stopped us in our tracks. It had been kind
of it's been one of those one of those summer
days where we've got thunderstorms rolling over. You know, it
rained for like, you know, a minute or two minutes,
and then it'd clear up, and then it would it'd

(10:03):
cloud up and rain for like two minutes, and we'd
have some lightning and thunder and then it would go away.
You know, that happens a lot in higher elevations. So
the wind was blowing in all different directions all the time,
so I couldn't really tell where it was coming from exactly.
So I probably did the dumbest thing possible is I

(10:27):
just screamed and screamed off into the woods just to
maybe get a response, and it mimicked me almost exactly
the same bark back to me that I made, And
I heard kind of the direction where it was coming from,

(10:49):
and so it was that the bark came from my right.
So I turned to the right and I looked and
was straight down off the road is kind of cut
into with a kind of a steep cut on the
left or the left side of me, and the right
side went down into a canyon. I mean it was

(11:12):
fairly steep. We actually measured it. Lare's like thirty two
degrees going down and about two hundred feet away from me.
What I saw was there was this little tiny round
opening through the tree limbs where you could see some

(11:32):
light in kind of an open area behind it. And
all I saw was this face kind of swaying side
to side. And the only reason I saw it was
because it was moving this this face was kind of

(11:53):
swaying side to side, kind of doing that measure you
up kind of thing. And later on did some research
seans and found out that that's how most animals judge distance,
is if they sway back and forth, they can get
a better calculation in their head, you know, on distance.

(12:16):
So I had my thirty five millimeter camera in my
hand ready to go. So I pulled my camera up
and I got one shot off and then we heard
this loud whistle kind of up the road from us,

(12:38):
and and that kind of shocked me for a second. Mean,
it was loud and high pitched whistle. Wasn't like an
elk bugle. It was sort of like an alk bugle,
but shorter, sharper, and really loud. And so I turned
and looked up the road real quick to try to

(13:02):
see if I had there was anything that made that
standing in the road. There was nothing, so I turned
back down to where the face was and it was gone.
So I had My interaction was about three seconds, and
I got one photo. I got one blurry photo because
my auto focus focused on the limbs in front of

(13:25):
it and not the face behind the limbs. So both
me and the gentleman, who never went big footing before
in his life, where we just stood there in shock
for oh, I don't know. We didn't say a word
for like two or three minutes. We just stood there
staring at that opening. And then finally I asked him,

(13:51):
I said, did you see what I saw? And he goes, yes,
I did. So what I saw was just a face
and a bit of the shoulders swaying back and forth.
But it looked to me at the moment, of course,

(14:13):
it was quite a ways away, very human human like,
but I could definitely tell it had the conical head
and the eyes. What really struck me was the eyes.
How far set back they were, you know, being an anthropologist,
we've studied skulls from from the beginning of mankind up

(14:37):
until today, so you know, the brow ridge was really deep.
And that's the first thing that struck me. Was I
looking at a older human. What really passed through my mind.
I'm not looking at a ape. I'm looking at a

(15:00):
hominid just older than us. So we walked back off
the hill. We sit and discussed what we saw together
at the tailgate of my truck for a while, and
then it was getting really dark. We stayed there for
a long time, listening to see if there's any whoops

(15:22):
or owls or anything. There was not, so I drove
back home and the next morning I gathered all my
gear and we drove back up to the location and
we literally spent three days there. I actually took time

(15:44):
off work measuring everything. I shot lasers through trees. I
put a tripod up where I was standing with my camera.
I tried to get the same angle downward. I took
the picture, shut a laser down there, measured, crawled down there,

(16:05):
looked where the measure or the laser came through the trees,
and discovered the creature I was looking at. It was
six foot tall. I thought, that's not a very big
for a big foot that I'm six foot three. But
where it was standing, we found nine inch footprints, but

(16:29):
next to them we found sixteen inch footprints. And we
saw where the footprints turned and walked up the hill
away from us, kind of following where the road was,
but under the cover of the trees down in the
in the canyon. So I got casts of the nine

(16:53):
inch prints and the sixteen inch prints, and I got
to think and know there was two of them standing
there looking at me, and I only witnessed the one.
So I when I got back home, I blew up

(17:14):
the picture. We tried to enhance it the best I could,
and I didn't really see anything there. I saw kind
of a blob behind it, but I wasn't sure what
that was. I didn't want to, you know, just jump
to conclusions. So I took that picture of the one

(17:38):
face I had on there for sure, because I know
that's what I saw. And I had put that up
on the internet and passed it around to other big footers,
and over the years later I started speaking in a
lot of bigfoot events and running across some of the
other big name big footers and I was shown my

(18:01):
photo to actually one of the gals from the she
Squatchers and she said, you know, there's another bigfoot behind
that one. And that was the first time somebody had
actually said that to me. And I was like, okay,
so you show me what you see and she showed

(18:21):
it to me. I'm like, okay, that's what I've been
looking at for a long time. And I wasn't sure,
and I just wanted somebody to accidentally, you know, tell
me that. So later on we were able. It was
about five years later where photo technology had advanced a
little bit and we had a way to use AI

(18:44):
to enhance it, and we enhanced it and now I
can see full on there was another big foot behind
that one, bent over looking up at me. So I
had a juvenile and an adult out there, and uh,
and I think the whistle came from a third one

(19:04):
which was up the road further, so we got I'm
just guessing that it was the female and the juvenile
and then the males what whistled and called them to,
you know, get away from the humans. So that was
my my one and only face to face encounter, uh

(19:25):
with a big foot. So since then I've had three
or four audio recordings that we have recorded. I have
had whoop, some treeknocks, and some rock clacks that we
have recorded. We have found a what I referred to

(19:48):
as a nest. It's kind of like an igloo built
out of tree limbs that actually a Native American gentleman.
I found it and brought it to my attentions and
he took me out. It was actually out on Ya Mattila,
Indiana's Indian Reservation, and it was his hunting ground where

(20:10):
he take He was a hunting guide, so he would
take people out hunting in October for deer and then
he would so he had been in that area in
October and the nest wasn't there, and then he came
back in the spring just as the snow left to

(20:32):
pick mushrooms, because the mushrooms in that area was very
famous for the morale mushrooms the follows the snow line.
As the snow recedes, the mushrooms pop up, just like
on the edge where the snow's melting going up the mountain.
And when he was there picking mushrooms is when he
saw the nests. So we knew it was sometime between

(20:56):
October and April that that nest was built. And the
interesting thing about it is it's made out of tree limbs.
They're woven together. It is shaped like an igloo. There's
an opening kind of I would say, two thirds of
the way up the side, just a little opening, and

(21:17):
it had bedding in the in the bottom of it,
fur boughs. But every single limb in that we measured
and checked, and every single one of them is broken.
There's not a saw mark, there's not, you know, any

(21:40):
signs of hatchet marks or anything in any of these
tree limbs. They're all been broken off the trees. In fact,
one of them was about three inches around and it
had a cone on the end of it where headed
where it was a tree limb that had been pulled
directly out of the tree. It was and bent over

(22:00):
one way or the other. It was just grabbed and
pulled out of the tree. All of them were woven,
like I said before, and one of them was it
was like a four inch fir tree that had been

(22:21):
pulled out of the ground. It still had the root
bawl on the bottom of it. And he took video
of it when he first found it, and it was
like a few months later when I found it. So
it was still green when he found it in the spring,
so it hadn't been that long that had it had
been built. And then when I got there a few

(22:43):
months later, the the pine needles and stuff were all
dried up in it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
But but that's what really shocked me was how intricate
it was and how impossible well made for a human
to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
And then we searched the area around there and we
did find a seven inch footprint down by the little
creek that runs in that area. And then we found
that footprint and I was able to cast that footprint also.

(23:25):
But that's when we had a very strange encounter right
there in that area. At that time, after we were
casting we had cast the footprint, we were letting it dry,
and we heard a coyote the hill from us sounding

(23:48):
like it was being murdered. It was zipping and squealing,
and you know, I had never heard that before. I mean,
I've heard, you know, dogship when they're hurt and stuff
like that, but this was a kyote and it looked
like something had hold of it and it was tearing
it up. So we actually ran up the hill to

(24:11):
see if we could see this kyot. I didn't get
a glance of it, but the Native American guy I had,
he had taken a little bit different route than I did,
and he said he did see the just the behind
the end of the kyot go over the top of
the hill. And so we were sitting there and discussing that,

(24:35):
and we were trying to look for footprints, you know,
around where the kyote was squealing, and then I heard
the loudest tree knock I've ever heard in my life
back at the nest area. So we turned around and
rushed back to the nest area, and nothing there. So

(24:56):
I was wondering what was so weird. It's like almost
it felt like I got distracted to go up the
hill so something could retrieve something at the nest site,
I don't know, or get us away from there, but
then to tree knock back at the nest site to

(25:17):
draw us back there. I don't know what was going on.
It's still a mystery to me. So after measuring everything,
by the way, that nest was five feet tall and
fourteen feet around. I spent a few days there measuring

(25:40):
all that, and we collected the footprint and after being
there for a few days. I noticed something else. I
noticed that there were trees pushed over around the nest,
probably about twenty feet away from the nest. There were

(26:03):
trees pushed over to kind of make a fence all
the way around it, so you couldn't go to the
nest site without stepping over a log or jumping it.
So we documented all those breaks too, and then we

(26:27):
headed back up to the truck. And as soon as
we got up to our truck area up the hill
further from we had to go down the hill from
where we parked about a mile to get to the
nest area. And then once we got back up the
hill to the truck, further up the hill above the truck,

(26:49):
we hear this rock plack really loud. So I set
up my recorder and area baseball bat in my truck
to hit trees with. So I hit a tree with it,
and then we got an answer back more rock claques.

(27:11):
And this went on for like twenty minutes almost but
after about the first fifteen minutes, the rock claques started
getting further and further and further away, So at the
end of those we drove around them and up the
mountain to see if there was any other humans up

(27:33):
above us, or you know, somebody playing with us. But
we didn't find a single person. In fact, where the
road went didn't go where the rock claques went. There's
no road in that area. So that was the next
biggest mystery thing that happened to me in my big

(27:58):
footing career. I'd put it that way. So my top
three things there is the pictregraphs, which told me a
lot of stories, and my sighting and that tree structure
and all the events that happened there. So I guess

(28:18):
that's my story.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Well, it's an interesting story, that's for sure. Yeah, never
a dull moment. Yeah, when that elder told you about
I'm gonna butcher this, it's yah yaali?

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Is that how you?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah? Yah yaali ya ya li.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Did you portray them as being totally benign or did
he warn you to be careful around them?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
They look well, at least the ma Bok tribe, and
this is in central California, in the Yosemite National Park
area that's where we were, they look at them as
like a benevolent brother. They're not scared of them. They
trade with them. One of the one of the tribal

(29:12):
customs is when they plant gardens and they grow food,
and they harvest acorns too. They take a portion of
their harvest and take it out in the woods and
leave it for Ali. Another thing that they do which
is very interesting to me is the shaman, who are

(29:38):
like the medicine people of the tribe, will collect different
herbs and things out of the woods, you know, for
medical reasons. And they will take the herbs and take
them out into the woods and lay them out on
a rock, and then they'll leave, and they'll come back
a few days later and they'll find and some of

(30:00):
the herbs picked off the rock, and some of them
left on the rock, and maybe some new herbs left
on the rock. And that's them saying that Yay is
telling them what herbs and medicines to use at this
time in the woods. So they look at them as

(30:24):
a very friendly, benevolent other people in the woods.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
They look at them as being benevolent and friendly. But
I know it's not lost on you that a lot
of people go missing in Yosemite every year.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yes, Now, with.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
That in mind, do you think ya ya Ali is
responsible for most of those disappearances, or do you think
it's something else.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Well, there's a lot of bears and cougars in that
area also, so and then just humans getting lost, that's
a portion of it. But you know, you can't never tell.
You know, there's a lot of people go missing in
the woods every year, and with in my experience, I've

(31:13):
worked with a little over seventy five tribes, and the
names for Bigfoot and well least well central California is
kind of the borderline, but north of there, most of
the names for Bigfoot ares like Benevolent Brother, Spirit, being
Old Man of the Woods, Harryman's Story, you know, words

(31:37):
like that. But you get down south, you've got the
you know, like the Hope, the Navajo, the Apache tribes,
their names for them are are more like wind to Go,
monster Killer. So it's either how the tribe has interacted
with them in the past where they get their names,

(32:00):
or it's how the Bigfoot act. Maybe the southern Bigfoot
are meaner than the northern Bigfoot. But like I said,
where I was is kind of like the borderline, So
we don't know if they're so good or so bad.
I don't know. Maybe there's maybe they're like humans. There's
good ones and there's bad ones.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, I bet that's the most accurate description, because in
most cases, the accurate description falls somewhere in between. So
that probably is the case. Is ya Yali supposed to
be a type one sasquatch or a type two? Do
you know.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
What do you mean by type one and type two?
I don't think I'm familiar with those terms.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Oh that's all right. Yeah. Type one describes a kind
of sasquatch that looks like Patty with a sagital crest,
very robust build. Type two's have a roundhead or a
rounder heady and that's robust. Is the Patty type?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Uh No, These these are more Paddy type. They're they're
pretty robust. They're described with the conical head. They're always
depicted as being very large muscular.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, that would explain a lot because type ones they
definitely seem to be a lot more affable than type two's, So,
like I said, that would definitely explain a lot.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, when you.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Had your sighting, you took that picture. You said, in
a way, are you wishing you wouldn't have tried to
take that picture and rather just stood there and tried
to soak everything in? Or are you glad that you
took that picture, because if you wouldn't have tried to
take that picture, I'm sure you probably would have noticed
more things.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That's that's a hard question that I have debated that
myself quite often, but I always come down to I'm
glad I did take the picture because we have found
more you know, I've found more evidence in the picture.
You know, then I would have ever had just looking

(34:13):
at him, because like I said, I did not notice
the adult bigfoot behind the juvenile with my eyes at
the time. I was too you know, when you see
something that's not supposed to exist, that instantly changes your

(34:35):
perspective in the world, and you kind of go into
a fight or flight mode pretty quickly. So you get
this adrenaline rush and you're not thinking straight. And so
I don't think I would have noticed much more if
I hadn't took the picture and was able to look

(34:55):
at it later on, plus being able to to go
back to going back where I saw it, going down
the hill, climbing down there, and finding the footprints which
which actually give credence to the second one being there.

(35:18):
You know, I don't, yeah, I don't think the three
seconds I had of that encounter, I wouldn't have found
what I have found if I didn't see it in
the picture. So I'm i'm I'm about gathering evidence. So
I'm glad I did take the picture.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
And that's one heck foot picture there. Did you bring
that sighting to the attention of your elder.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Well, that's that sighting was actually in eastern Oregon, so
I was I was actually working with a different tribe
at the time, and where I was wasn't on reservation land.
So I had talked to some of the locals about that,
and uh they were. They were very impressed with me

(36:09):
seeing one the the tribe in this area would be
would have historically would have been the You Mattila tribe,
which is in Pendleton, Oregon, is where the reservation is now.
But that area, the u Mattilla part of the Shoshone

(36:30):
tribe would have been there in history, maybe even the
uh Nez perse too. But I haven't talked with the
nes Pers or the Shoshone, but I have talked with
the Mantilla tribe and they have a long history with
bigfoot in the area, and they they tend to tend

(36:51):
to What they told me is if if they allowed
me to see them was an honor. That's what I
got from them, So I will take that. And then
I also had another tribal member since I saw one,
you know, and really started diving into this full time,

(37:15):
and he did tell me that he thought Bigfoot during
that encounter took my soul because I'm so obsessed with
it after that, which is a very interesting take.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, that is interesting. I hope it's not an accurate one.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
No, that wouldn't be good at all. No, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Every researcher has their own motivations. We're heading into the
woods looking for them. But why do you do it? Scott?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's changed over the years. When I first was into this,
you know, you know, coming from a scientific background, you know,
anthropologists and you know, and I've been on archaeological digs
all over the United States on Native American tribal sites,
and you know, you're always trying to prove something basically,

(38:18):
So when I originally got into this is like, Okay,
I'm gonna take these pictographs that are one of them
is almost three thousand years old, by the way, and
that famous one that's on the cover of Oh Gosh,
Kathy Strain's book. That pictograph there is probably the most

(38:43):
famous one it and they've had a lot of anthropologists
look at that. But when I looked at it, I
noticed something that nobody else did. Down in the far
left bottom corner, there's two little sticks, curved sticks sticking

(39:04):
up and those are those are symbols for at Laddles
and the tribes in that area. I quit using at
Lottles about three thousand years ago, So if they have
depicted at Laddles as their hunting equipment, that means that
picture grass probably twenty five to three thousand years old,

(39:25):
so it may be a lot older than most people think.
So looking at this history, I thought, these things. My
guess from my sightings is that they're hominid and they've
been here as long as us. You know, Homo sapiens,
I've been here. So my first thing was to I'm

(39:52):
going to prove these things exist. That's that's my whole goal.
After years of doing this and finding evidence, I don't
I think I find footprints somewhere. Because we spend a
stupid amount of time in the woods, travel all over

(40:15):
and follow up reports. We find footprints almost yearly. We
will find footprints somewhere. So I found all this evidence
and all the reports to get from people, and there's

(40:35):
proof that they exist, and it's just there's nobody's going
to believe you. So I gave up the proven they
exist for a long, a long time ago. My goal
now as a cultural anthropologist is I know they exist,
is I want to know how they live, you know,

(40:59):
spending time with tribes of my whole life, each tribe
has like unique techniques for survival and unique histories on
how they developed their their hunting, their fishing skills, their
their warrior skills. My goal at this point now is

(41:22):
to not try to prove they exist, but to find
out how they live. I pretty much know that they're
not tool making intelligent, but their tool using intelligent. We
were at that spot at some time back in history.
So what I'm doing is collecting bigfoot reports, like what

(41:46):
did you see the bigfoot? Do? How many did you
see them at? You know, following footprints and take guesses
where they live and hearing you know, like there's a
story I heard about a guy saw three bigfoot and

(42:14):
two adults and a juvenile on this screen field where
the rocks had fallen off the mountains, and one of
them was down in the rocks, rolling over rocks, grabbing
ground squirrels that were hidden under the rocks and grabbing
them and throwing them up to the other ones. So
they have their own hunting techniques. Most of the sightings,

(42:35):
like my sighting, comes in threes. So they must have
a child, maybe one once a year or every other year,
and they keep that child to a certain age and

(42:56):
then kick it out and start over, and that child
has to go find another mate somewhere else. And so
they're my guess is and it's just a guess that
they live in small family groups, not big tribes together,
and that's what keeps them so elusive. When there's only
three of them in twenty square miles, it's kind of

(43:19):
hard to run across one, you know, stuff like that.
So my goal at this point is just to figure
out how they live.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Well, you've got your work head out for you, that's
for sure, I do. Yeah. Yeah, you started researching them,
you said to try to prove their existence to the masses,
but you said that your focus shifted away from that. Yeah,
do you have any concerns about what might happen to
them if they were officially acknowledged to be in existence
or is that not a concern.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I think it is a concern, but probably not like
you're thinking. My concern is and it's okay, maybe going
down some tinfoil hat area here, but my thought is
I fully believe that these are relic commonids from the past.

(44:20):
They're they're human. They've just they're part of our family tree. Uh,
they just haven't been extinct yet. Uh. You know that
that picture you see on evolutionary things where he's got
the monkey that turns into the man. That's actually not

(44:42):
how it's worked. That's been debunked. You know, years ago,
we did not evolve from from apes. In fact, the
theory today is maybe apes evolved from us, but there's
always been a human and and this has been proven
with now DNA U because we've got DNA often fossils.

(45:04):
So there's a genetic starter for us somewhere back there.
And it wasn't us turning from one thing to the other.
If you look at it this way, you got a
group in Africa millions of years ago, and their population

(45:25):
outgrows the area that their subtendence can sustain them. So
a part of the group will break off and go
somewhere else, and then eventually they end up in Europe. Well,
they're eating different foods, living in different environments. Over one
thousand or few thousand years, their bodies change. So the

(45:47):
group in Africa look completely different than the group in Europe,
but they're the same people. They just have adapted to
the environment. And I think, as you know, humans developed,
we lived beside each other. It wasn't one turning into
the other. We know Homo habergensis, us Homo sapiens, Homo erectus, Homo,

(46:16):
and Deli Homo for instances all lived together the same time,
overlapped each other. In fact, a lot of people don't
realize this. Homo for insances, the Hobbit people developed after us.
They're actually a newer species than us. So and we
know that Neanderthals are still alive. A lot of people

(46:39):
don't know that, but we found out through DNA in
France where Neandertal came from, in the Acadian region of France,
and specifically, if you have a Kadian French people, which
I am an Acadian French person, a lot of people

(47:01):
call us Cajuns.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
But.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
We developed, we live together with the Neanderthal, we bred
them out. They're part of us. They're so a lot
of Acadian or Cajun people have you know, three to
four percent of their DNA is neandatal, So why is

(47:29):
today any different? They live beside us, they have adapted
to and I think they purposely stay away from us,
you know, because our species tend to wipe out other
species pretty quickly. So if we were to prove that

(47:53):
and well, not proved, but I'm gonna put this, if
they were to be a knowledge, let's put it that way,
and that they're human, here's where the tinfoil had stuff come.
Do they get voting rights? Do we have to close

(48:15):
every national force because it's their tribal land. It would
run into a huge problem with our governmental system. You know,
if there's another human living on this planet, and so
I here's my tinfoilt thing. I think they're covered up

(48:35):
purposely because it would change our society immensely. If we
were to prove their existence and what they are.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well, I think that's an accurate assumption. I'm convinced that
their government is doing all they can to cover.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Up their existence.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I mean what you mentioned the fallout that you mentioned
if they were official acknowledged to be extant. Yeah, that's
just a tip of the iceberg. It would just open
up all sorts of problems. But you are wrong about
something you said. Your claim about us breeding out the intertalls,
that's wrong. Haven't you been to Walmart recently? If you

(49:15):
have been, then you'd know they're still here.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, yeah they are. Oh, I know absolutely well. I
actually have being cajun myself. I actually have four percent
nanotolay too.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Is that bump on the back of some people's heads?
Is that a Neandertall trait or is that something else?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
It's the big the big uh you're Oh my gosh,
the word just went out of my head. I should
know this. My professor is going to kill me. No,
but your eyebrows, you know that bump above your eyebrows,
your side in the crest, Doctor Sandra Cress, that's on

(50:02):
top of your head. I don't know why I can't
think of the word. I would have told it you
if I wasn't thinking about it. But that's all right.
But you know, we got that chromagnum big forehead. That's
what you need to look out for. How deep your
eye sockets go back.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
So if you see an old boy at Walmart that
looks like he could stop a forty five with his
forehead exactly. Okay, yeah, I see that makes sense. You
told us about that nest you found. Why do you
think it is that they would need to even build
nests when you consider how well they seem to be
adapted for living in the wilds?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
All right, this is this is my theory on the nest.
After having found it and spend a lot of time there,
I went back several times over a year or so
just to check on it, and I got to think,
and it had a fence around it, and the only

(51:05):
opening was probably two thirds of the way up, and
it wasn't very big. And having found a juveniles a
seven inch footprint down by the river close to that,
I think they're cribs. I think they're like bassinettes or
playpins that they put their youth into when they're out

(51:27):
doing something, hunting, gathering, whatever. I think they build those
as a crib for their babies.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. I mean,
after all, they're seen out and about in really nasty weather,
cold wet weather, and with their body masks. I don't
think they have any trouble keeping them warm. So I
just wondered about I've always wondered about this whole nest
building thing.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, I basically think they're cribs. Just they can put
the baby in there, the baby can't get out of it.
They're safe to go do parenting things or whatever, you know,
go out and together and then come back and pick
up their baby. I don't think they get too far
away from them, but I'm pretty sure I think they're

(52:14):
basically just you know, bassinets or cribs or playpins.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
And that would make a lot of sense. Now, after
listening to you talk about experiences and opinions for this long,
would normally have a pretty good bead on the answer
to this question. But in your case, I don't. Do
you see them as being flesh and blood creatures they
don't have any special abilities, or do you think they're

(52:39):
supernatural beings.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I'm well in the flesh and blood camp. I think
what a lot of people attribute to special abilities or
these are just biological features they have. There's a couple
things right off the top, how they walk. If you

(53:02):
watch the Patterson film, they have this what the doctor
Mildram calls a compliant gait where they walk with their
knees bent, so they have a wider stride than we do.
Their foot hits the ground flat. They don't walk over
their hill from hill to toe like we do. They
put their foot down flat and just slide it straight

(53:23):
back and pick it up, which allows them to move faster,
have longer strides, and they don't vault over their hips
when they walk, so they don't bounce up and down
like humans do. So a lot of people I've heard
stories a while I saw this thing and it was
just gliding across the opening. Well, yep, because that's the

(53:49):
way they walk. If I have actually taken the Patterson
Gimmon film and took the first frame of it and
the last frame of it, and I put a dot
on the shoulder on the first plane and a dot
on the shoulders and the last frame, and I drew
a line between those dots and then played the movie.

(54:11):
It's shoulder never goes up or below that line. It
never bounces once, it stays right there. So the gliding feature,
like they float or whatever, that's just the way they walk.
Another thing is a lot of the hair samples that
are attributed to Bigfoot, and I have three of them myself. Actually,

(54:36):
they don't have a modula in a core like ours does,
or bears do, or chimp stew, which makes them semi transparent.
So there's another animal on the planet that has that
same feature, and that's a polar bear. Polar bears aren't white.

(54:58):
Their skin is actually black. If you see a polar
bear in a zoo, they look gray. That's because they're
on top of concrete. They look white up in the
snow because they're on snow. If they were in a forest,
they'd have a green tinge to them. And I think
the hair in the bigfoot's the same way. It's not

(55:18):
like full on cloaking, as they say, but it'll take
on a bit of the hue of whatever environments around
them because it's semi transparent. They still have color in it,
but it'll adapt a little bit, so you won't see
them cloak. But if they another thing too, if they

(55:40):
stand still and they're in an area and there's trees
around them, with that slight hair color change that they have,
it's not a complete change. They will blend in very well.
One of the things that if you pick up and
you watch some of these films, like the Freeman film

(56:01):
from the Blue Mountains, there's a point where that bigfoot
walked in front of him and then it walked behind
some other trees, and then he lost it. It was
he couldn't see where it went, but he had the
camera there, and then it steps out behind the tree.
But when he lost it, it was actually standing dead

(56:24):
still beside a tree, and there's a branch that went
out of the tree and kind of curved down. Well,
it had bent its body over to the shape of
that branch. So when it stood still behind the branch
and had instead of standing there looking over the branch
and bent itself over the shape of the branch, it

(56:46):
was almost completely camouflaged. And then it took a step
out and you can see it again. So and I've
heard reports where, in fact, one gentleman up a mounta
hood that I interviewed said he saw this. It walked
out into the woods and it just disappeared, and he

(57:07):
actually chased after it. He said he went out a
couple hundred yards in the woods and he couldn't find
it anywhere. Then he turned around and saw it walking off.
It had stopped and let him walk by it, and
well it was going away, it walked off a different direction.

(57:29):
So they're very stealthy. They have some features to them
that make them look paranormal, but it's nature.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Well, they've got all data refine their techniques for remaining undetected.
So it's no wonder they're so hard to find. Yep, yeah, definitely,
And you're the perfect person to ask this question. You
were just talking about their gate just a moment ago.
I've got a theory that I wanted to run by you. Now,

(58:02):
if you think about how a bridge is constructed, you
got the stanchions that support the bridge from either side.
They come from the ground up to the bottom of
the bridge like legs and hold that bridge up. Well,
when you think about how wide a sasquatch's hip structure is,
that's pretty wide compared to what you would find, let's
say in a human. Well, when we walk in a

(58:26):
bipedal manner, it's basically a controlled fall. You put one
foot out, you pivot over it, and then you basically
fall until you put the next foot out to catch yourself. Well,
with a wide, a very wide hip structure, the only
way you can do it, especially with a stride frequency

(58:51):
that's as infrequent as a big creature like sasquatch would have.
The only way to compensate so that you're not falling
to the side constantly would be to move your foot
inwards so that your foot when it hits the ground

(59:11):
is doing a better job of supporting all the creatures
wait instead of not only the creature falling forward but
falling to the side. If I'm right about that, that
would explain why their footprints when you find their prints,
they're in a line. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Oh, I totally agree with that. That's why they walk
like well, because of the way they walk. Why not
walking their knees so there's not a point where they're
trying to fall one way or the other. They basically
almost have two feet on the ground all the time.
If it's hard to say that until you take the step.

(59:49):
It's like they take a step and then they slide
their body for it on both feet, and then they
take the step and then slide their body forward on
both feet. So there's that. And you know, I talked
about all the picture graphs and they have a very
very long torso and short legs and all the drawings,

(01:00:13):
mainly because the bigfoot has a very long torso, so
they have a higher I put a pendulum on the
top of their shoulders is further away from their hips
than ours is, so they have like it's like a
tightrope walker with a pole that they hold up in

(01:00:36):
it by their chest when they're walking to help keep
their balance. Well, their shoulders are higher and wider. They're
basically tight rope walkers with a pole. But it's just
their body. And another thing I kind of figured out
about their long torso is the fact that they that

(01:01:00):
longer torsho means they have more intestines than we do,
which means they can eat less and get more food
or more nutrients out of their food than we do
because it stays in their system longer, so they can
eat food so that we can't eat and they can.
That was just a little aside there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Okay, you've put a lot of thought into this, haven't you, Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I'd say you have. No, that makes a lot
of sense, it really does. I never thought about those things,
but that makes really good sense. I'm impressed. Well, it's
about time for us to get out of here. But
before we do want to give you another opportunity to
promote your YouTube channel. Please do that now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Our YouTube chib's called squatch America. We've got five years
of videos up there. We do what we call Footprint Fridays.
Every Friday, we have a video that we talk that's
basically our research out in the woods doing things. I
also started last year a survival section. I am a

(01:02:08):
retired US Army soldier and I went to the Seer
Coast which is Survival Escape Innovation course where I learned
wilderness survival. Because last I was last it was last Christmas,
I think it was two big footers went out and
got stuck in the snow and perished up in Washington.

(01:02:32):
And so I do a Monday survival videos to help
you survive in the woods because when you're out looking
for bigfoot, you really should look out for yourself too.
And we do a live show every Wednesday where we
have people come on and ask us questions and we
have guests on and talk about the bigfoot subject. So

(01:02:53):
we do three shows a week, and like I said,
I have hundreds and hundreds of show was now online
you can go back and catch up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Well that makes it really easy, and it does sound
like a good show. What I'll do is I'm going
to post a link to it in the description for
tonight's show. That'll make it really easy to find.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Perfect, Yeah, glad to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yes. Oh and there's one other thing too, if you
don't mind, I if you go to Amazon and search
Squatch America. I have a book I just recently wrote
that you can purchase from Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that one. Yeah, I'll post
a link to that book in the description for tonight's
show as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Then, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Oh, you're welcome. You're glad to do it. Well. Having
said that, Scott, thanks again so much for coming on
to share the details of all those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Great to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Oh, it's been a lot of fun. Thanks again for
your time, and have a great night.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
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