June 10, 2025 • 47 mins
Tonight’s guest, Jerry Millwood Jr., was featured on last Friday night’s episode of the show. On that show, he talked about the two Sasquatch sightings he’s had, in the South Mountains Mountain Chain, in Western North Carolina. He also shared several encounters eyewitnesses have shared with him, from that area, over the years. At the end of that show, however, he shared an encounter that a family had with what was, most likely, a group of feral people.
On tonight’s show, he’s going to share another encounter an eyewitness had with feral people, talk about feral people, in general, and then he’s going to share some more encounters. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to him do that.
If you’ve had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know.
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My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting
Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2
My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience
Thanks, as always, for listening!
On tonight’s show, he’s going to share another encounter an eyewitness had with feral people, talk about feral people, in general, and then he’s going to share some more encounters. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to him do that.
If you’ve had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know.
If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com
I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App...
My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting
Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2
My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I appreciate you for inviting me back for a part
too from last week's episode, and I'm honored by well
we left off talking about feral people, and I can
say that the idea of feral people, especially in the
Appalachian Mountains and foothills, is nothing new.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
By no means.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The idea of wild men in the woods goes all
the way back to the Cherokee and other Native American
tribes and some of the well known cases of disappearances
within the Appalachian Mountains in the minds of some people
and some evidence suggests that those disappearances could be tied
to feral people, the most famous case being the very
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tragic case of the little boy named Dennis Martin, who
in nineteen sixty nine disappeared up in the Great Smoky Mountains,
never to be seen again. No trace was found of him.
There are are stories among the mountain people that tend
to credit that to feral people as opposed to just
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some criminal person kidnapping a child or.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
A bigfoot or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We do know for sure that the Special Forces were
sent in out of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and that
they showed up in the Great smokies, and they asked
for a couple of guides, a couple of locals to
guide them, and they said that they would not be
part of the main search party. And that's where the
great vine of history takes over. There are accounts that
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they went in and found feral people, and I actually
killed some feral people. And we can't verify that one
way or the other unless a witness from the Green
Berets steps forward and verifies it, or perhaps one of
the local people, if there's still a life, stepped forward
to say, yeah, here's what we saw, here's what we did.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So who knows.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But again, the idea of feral people living wild in
pockets of the Appalachian Mountain, in the mountains and foothills
is nothing, by no means new, and from everything that
I've gathered with feral people, it's my theory, and I
feel like I could defend it that the people living
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wild in these areas now didn't just a couple of
years ago decide to walk away from society and take
up residence in.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The deep wilderness.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I believe that this is the product of several generations.
You know that three, four or five generations ago, who
knows how far back their ancestors stepped into the wilderness
for whatever reasons. In some cases there was some just
a complete complete disillusionment of society, and people said I've
had enough of this, or going to just go and
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get away from everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's very feasible.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Religious reasons were religious persecution and own and own.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But generations ago.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The feral people of the Appalachian Mountains now live here
because their ancestors went and hid, and they know no
other way of life. As a matter of fact, a
lot of the evidence suggests that they have their own language,
their own very convoluted version of the English language, even
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if it can be even called English anymore, that they
predate living as and hunter gatherers, but also predate on
the unlucky hikers and campers. And I have a story
that a gentleman shared with me in nineteen seventy eight.
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He had developed a love for going and camping and
hiking long distances, and he, for whatever reason, liked to
do it solo.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
He had been introduced to it while he.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Was in college at Western Carolina, but then when he
left college, he just started doing his thing by himself,
and not too far as the crow flies from where
I live on the past, just past the western edge
of the South Mountains. He had planned this week long
trip and he camped. He hiked into the woods and
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he set up camp, and the idea was that he
was going to hike in a.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Different direction every day.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And he got in and got his camp set up,
and the next morning he got up, he prepared camp.
There's certain things you have to do when you're in
a wilderness like this. One of them is you take
your food and your trash. You put them in bags
of some type. You take a rope, throwing it into
a tree, loop it over a high branch, and pull
them high off the ground to keep the bears away.
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But he did all of that and he started his hike.
And he got five or ten minutes into the hike
and he figured out that he had a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
In his boot.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He never actually told me if he was a pebble
or an acorn or what it was. But he stopped
it was five or ten minutes away from camp to
get the object out.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Of his boot.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And he heard this strange clicking noise, this clicking sound,
and it bothered him, and he went down the trail
a little further after he got in the situation with
his boot taking care of it, and it bothered him
so bad that he stopped. He set his backpack down,
and he got his coffee out. He said, he just
poured himself a cup of coffee and was just pondering it.
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And he heard what the unmistakable sound of human voices.
And keep in mind, he was still relatively close to
camp ten minutes or so, but he couldn't quite make
out what was being said, and it sounded weird.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
To him, and he.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Thought about it, and he decided it was best to
turn and go back toward camp. He heard noises off
to the left and to the right, clicking always. He
heard some walking in the leave the leaf litter and
that type of thing. He topped the hill to get
his first visual of his campsite, and he saw these
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three individuals and they were running.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
He just before he topped.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The hill, he heard the sound of like his pots
in his pans, his camp wear being dropped, and he
got on top of the hill where the camp was
just in time to see these three individuals running away.
Now he zeroed in on one of them in particular,
and he said that the all three of them had
like this long, stringy hair, but this one was running
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slower than the other ones, and that it would look
to misshaping from the back. Its right shoulder was hanging
much lower than the left, and it just looked like
a person that was something was drastically wrong with him.
He didn't pursue them wisely, but there was no doubt
a fair person to his left, to his providing overwatch, providing,
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in my opinion, they were looking out while his camp
was being raided. His camp was decimated and things were
taking The bags that he had tied up into the
trees were down and gone, and he came back the
next day, but he came back with more people, and
they were hoping to cite these people again.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They even feigned.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
As though they were going to go hiking, and they
went five or ten minutes away, and they stopped and
they laid low. But they had no further encounters, and
for the rest of his life he never had an
encounter like that again. But he never went back into
that particular area. Ironically enough, prior to me ever interviewing
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this witness, before he ever came forward, something was brought
to my attention, which would have been just south of
that location in western Rutherford County, North Carolina. A friend
of mine told me that they had been There had
been a controlled burn in this one area, and the
burn had revealed the mouth of a small cave, and
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by his estimation, he looked like there was a lot
of flat footed traffic in and out of the cave.
He said, we come over. I've got a crew together
and we'll go. We'll go scout this out. It was
a good hike into the woods and beautiful area of
western Rutherford County. We had to walk up over a
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mountain and then back down into a creek bottom. But
on our way there we came upon this giant patch
of ground seed. Now, ground seedar is a plant that
is groundcover. It's natural to the Appalachian mountains and foothills
to the hardwood belt, and when it establishes itself somewhere,
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it looks like a beautiful green carpet. And so we
came across this patch of wood seedar and there was
a log of partially rotten log laying in the midst
of this ground seater and my friend actually noticed it first.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It was a footprint.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now those are few and far between in the forest
because of the leaf litter being so thick, and then
you've got an area covered by this ground seater stuff.
But what happened, from all appearances, was this person stepped
over that log and they slipped, and when they slipped
on the terminus of that slip, they raked away with
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their foot by accident of course, the ground seater, and
they left a very very pretty pristine footprint that was,
by the way, pretty fresh. We got to study in
the footprint, and my hopes that first was, oh, gosh,
this is a pretty big footprint. But it wasn't big
enough and it didn't fit the anatomical features of a
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big foot trap.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And we took pictures of it and talked about it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But it just looked it just looked different than your
average footprint. Now, it's not the footprint that I sent
you a picture of, but I will send you a
picture of this particular footprint. We had some people look
at it, and one of them is a retired tracker
and a guy hunting guid. He said, that's a human footprint,
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but that particular person's foot is completely and totally flat,
and in his experience, as he explained that that would
be a person that's went the majority of their life barefooted.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So we.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Moved on, went to the cave, and there was no
doubt it was down by the creek bottom.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It was. It was hard packed.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We wasn't able to find any very clear footprints at
all because it was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So well traffied.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But there's no doubt in my mind, based on all
of my experiences, that it was flat footed traffic coming
in and out of that small cave. It had rained
heavily the day before, and we elected not to go
all the way into the cave.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For safety reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We had plentiful numbers and a couple of folks in
the party was armed, but we did not explore the
cave fully. Now, for whatever reason, to this day, I've
never been asked to come back to finish that expedition
for us to look into that cave and to explore it.
But I believe there's at least one or two or
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three maybe feral people, maybe more, who knows, and they've
got them a perfect pocket over there in this isolated
wilderness area. I just would prefer never to run into
a feral person a bigfoot by all means I've on
two occasions witnessed them had rocks thrown at me. But
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I don't think a Bifut's going to hurt a human.
Dog Man's another story never seen one. Don't think I
want to, but a feral person scares the heck out
of me. But if I'm called upon to do any
kind of an investigation or expedition into an area that
is people think that there's feral people there, I'm going
to do it. So stay tuned there. I have just
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finished up a long term research project on the area
here where I live, in the immediate area of the
South Mountains, especially the eastern end of the South Mountains,
in the southeastern end of the South Mountains where Kaser,
North Carolina sits my hometown. It's the time period of
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nineteen seventy eight into nineteen seventy nine. And preface this
by saying that this area has always been known for strangeness,
weird things, scary things, ghost lights in the trees, lights
on the g lights in the sky, witches, and of
course Bigfoot or as we call them, Nobby's. But there
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was this one time period there in the late seventies
when we had an epidemic of sightings, and my research
revealed a twist, which I'll talk about in a minute.
There was a reporter, actually a number of reporters who
did a fairly good job of covering this, and one
in particular, I'm eternally grateful to him.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
His name was Robert Williams.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
He's the one that coined the name that we still
call our bigfoot here nobby, because the epicenter of it
was a place called Cartner's Nob and he took the
word nob and turned it into knobby and the rest
is history. But I started really getting in, getting neck
deep and researching all of those events during that time period,
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and come to find out there were some things obscured,
and come to find out there was some things that
was certainly never revealed in the documentary or in the
newspaper articles of the time. It was all said to
have started with an eyewitness named Minnie Cook in the
Cartner's Knob area on the eastern end of the South Mountains.
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And Minnie was an elderly woman known for her good
character and her honesty, and she was old mountain gal.
She knows nature, she knows the animals. But she reported
seeing this creature upright on two feet, black hair, big,
and the thing turned around and kind of stared her down,
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and it scared Miss Cook to death, and it affected
her the rest of her life. She wouldn't go out
of the house for any reason from the from then
forward without being armed with her shotgun. And it was
thought that she had the first sighting during that time period, but.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I unveiled in.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
My research there were at least two major sightings prior
to that. One in particular was a fisherman who was
trout fishing over in the South Mountains and one of
these creatures stepped out of the woods. And again this
is the guy's a fisherman who's in the midst of
the South Mountains. You got to be of good stock
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to be able to go into the South Mountains to
begin with. And this this creature stepped out of the woods,
same description, tall, covered in black hair, looked sort of
ape like, looked sort of human like, and walked for
a distance and disappeared back into the woods without further incident,
as quickly as it as it had appeared. But this fisherman,
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and I don't know his name, This was a newspaper
article from the gentleman I spoke of earlier. He I
guess he had agreed not to reveal the fellow's name.
But he returned the next day to the same spot.
But he returned armed and according to his statement made
to the newspaper reporter, this creature appeared once again again
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and he took a shot at it. Unfortunately, that's the
end of the trail on the information. It may be
lost to history. Whether he hit the creature or he
didn't hit it, or anything after that. I don't know
of any other information regarding that. But for the man
to return the next day to try to shoot and
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kill this creature, who knows why he would do such
a thing. Probably because he went and relayed his experience
to someone. They made fun of him or called him
a liar, and he said, well, fine, I will show everybody.
I'll go in and kill it and bring it out.
But he didn't do that. If he did, there's no
record of it. And there's the sighting also prior to
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Miss Cook's sighting. Actually there were several other ones, and
I just tried to stick to the major ones.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But there was a.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Man who was just driving up the road, an elderly
man again of good character, and right side the road
was one of these creatures, tall upright, black hair, walking
in an ape black manner, but also looking somewhat human,
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and that short brief encounter affected that elderly man until
he passed on. I was able to talk to a
family member of his who said that he wouldn't talk
about it other than to say that he hoped nobody
ever saw what he saw that day, and on to
the to the twist and turns, and again there was many, many,
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many sightings reported, and for the people of this area
to contact the authorities, that's a big deal, especially back
in that time frame, because the people around here are
very mistrustful. There is the typical mountain culture. It's not
that they don't like law enforcement or they've got anything
against They just believe in handling their own problems and
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not bringing attention to themselves. But the fact that so
many people reached out contacted law enforcement, and also the
fact that several of them openly talked to the media
about it, tells me exactly how much it had impacted them.
There was a particularly horrifying sighting. A man and his
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wife was driving up the road one night and they
passed his father's house and they noticed a large shadow
or figure standing on the porch of his father's house.
But and their headlights of their car revealed what they
were looking at. It was one of these creatures, and
it was on the porch of his father's house. Now
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what the creature was doing, who knows. I think it
was trying to look through the windows. There's a very
good reason why it's a tradition here in the Appalachian
mountains and foothills. You close your curtains that night. Some
people go as far as penning them shut, because we
don't want the unknown looking in on us in the
privacy of our own home, or we don't want to
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be laying in bed and look up and see two
red or green eyes looking in our window at the
seven or eight foot level. So no other reports was
made by this couple, but it was with two people
who saw it. And I could go on and on
with a with a lot of the individual sightings that
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were on record, plus a couple that I discovered by
talking with people.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
But I'll get on to the to.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
The twist in turn of it twist plural and turns plural.
There was one individual who I would have loved to
have interviewed in regard to this time period. And I
found out his name through the Bigfoot Casebook. If you
know a lot of your listeners will be familiar with
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the Bigfoot Casebook. But there is a full page picture
of this gentleman in the big Footcase Book. His name
was Ferrell Shuk, and it was kind of vague as
to what he saw. But I found it odd that
it wasn't listed in the part of the book that
was the chronological sightings, at least.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Not that I could find.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
But I couldn't interview mister Schuk because he passed away
many years earlier. However, a friend of mine who is
his name is Dwight Campbell, and he's not going to
mind me using his name. He is a member of
the group formerly known as Dirty South Squatching, now known
as Sasquat's Ricon He found this old documentary that was
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filmed in mid to late nineteen seventy nine by a
fellow named John Alexander from Severeville, Tennessee. Mister Alexander came
into this area and shot a very decent documentary and
Dwight found that on YouTube and brought it to my attention.
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He did a lot of eyewitness interviews in this documentary
to include mister Shook Feralship. But as it turned out,
during this time period when these people of the area
were reported seeing these upright bipedal creatures, black and hairy,
they were hearing all of these vocalizations throughout the daytime
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and the nighttime. But there was one vocalization that just
didn't fit, and it was this screaming sound like a
woman screaming, and most of the time that one was
reported at night, though it was reported a couple times
during the daytime. And again, these vocalizations were widespread, many many,
many people reported hearing them, but that one vocalization of
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this sound as though a woman was screaming, don't fit bigfoot,
and I immediately thought black panther. So lo and bold
I watched the part of the documentary where mister Shuk
was interviewed and he reported not seeing an upright bipedal creature.
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He saw a huge, black, by his estimation, panther. Oversized
black panther appeared during the daytime, grab a dead chicken
out of a ditch and disappeared back into the woods.
So remarkably enough, during that time period, you have two,
but there's one more twist coming. We'll get to that one.
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You had two things going on at one time. You
had this plethora of all these sightings of the big
Foot type creatures, but there was also, according to the evidence,
a black panther on the loose for whatever reason. Now,
the panthers will make basically the male panther. Panthers will
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make a giant circle in a year's time roughly. We've
had them hit us a couple of springs in a
row back a few years ago. They cleaned me out
of my chickens.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And my ducks.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They attacked the neighbor's full grown cow, didn't kill it,
but I attacked and ate one of the calves. There
were footprints found during the time period that are certainly
attributable to Bigfoot, but there were another type of footprint
found that was clearly panther, a big cat.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And again, the people around here.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Know are outdoors people, they know nature, they know the animals,
and they're good trackers.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So those two things were going on at the same time.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Now, the final twist, there was a lady who was
driving up a road just absolutely close to where we
actually live during the daytime, at ten o'clock in the morning,
and she saw what she thought was a black dog
until she got a little bit closer, and the thing
was absolutely gargantuan, to the point as she had slowed
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down and come up the side of it, and it
was on all fours, but it was looking through the
window of her car down at her.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
She got home, she reported it to her husband.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
She went on record later as saying, my husband advised
me not to talk about it because people definitely think
she was crazy. And she spoke a little bit more
about it afterwards, and to my knowledge, there's no record
of her ever speaking about it again, and she has
passed on since, so I certainly won't be able to
talk to it. So for the final twists, there were
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the bigfoot tracks found in this area during that time period.
There were the big cat tracks found, but there was
a third type of track being found in this area
at the time, and there was a cast made of
one of them, and they showed the cast on this documentary.
But the old timers, the good old boys that was
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out doing the track and they would see these prints.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
They were puzzled because there was the size of a.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Man's hand, but they looked like a combination between a
dog print and a cat print, and they were thrown
a back by, so a little bit of I don't
usually like assuming, but in this case, I'm assuming that
we had bigfoot bigfoots in plural in this area. We
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had at least one oversized black panther on the prowl.
But the ladies sighting in the car of this thing
being so huge it was looking down in our window
and finding those super big tracks that looked more looked
like a dog print with a little bit of cat mixed.
Then I can't help but extrapolate that there was also
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a dog man. And I don't know anything about them.
I've never seen one. I've recently started learning about them.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The guys on.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
NCI have taken me into dog man territory, and I
do believe in them, but I've certainly had no experience.
So that's where I am. On that time period of
this area. People were scared to death during that time period,
and I don't even know if bigfoot was vaguely known
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amongst the population. It was a fairly popular thing because
of the legend of Boggie Creek and the other movies
and documentaries of the seventies, but I don't know that
dog men were even on the radar. I would have
to research that some dog men researchers could could talk
a lot more about that.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So that's a remarkable time.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I'm just now putting this out as of actually today,
before I called in to do part two, i'd released
episode three of my show, and today was.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
The first time that I had talked about it on air.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So I'm looking forward to hearing comments of people's ideas
and thoughts on this possibility of bigfoot, a big panther,
and a dog man being in the same general area.
And I'm not talking about a concentrated area of a
square mile or two. This is a huge area, and
the sightings were all over and many people had the sightings,
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but the footprints were found in many different areas, and
footprints do not lie, and I don't think back then
anyone would have thought to a hoax a dog man
print and the there's been there was sightings before that.
I talked about a couple of my favorites that one
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extended all the way back to nineteen sixteen. A man's
grandfather had relayed the story to him and his father
had too, had had experiences there were I think I
talked about the two hunters that went squirrel hunting and
was chased out of the woods by one of these creatures.
They only saw one anyway, and it was huge and
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putting on threat displays. But every since the nineteen seventies
on to now, these these encounters, these sightings continue to occur,
so it's nothing that was isolated to that one time period.
Witnesses are still coming forward with very recent sightings.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So who knows.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Tomorrow, I may get a call that someone had another
encounter today somewhere in the South Mountains or in the periphery.
But I'm still I'm certainly anticipating at some point somebody
calling because they suspect feral people somewhere, because you're looking
at one hundred thousand acres of wilderness with just the
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mountain chain, not to mention the periphery or wilderness around it,
and I don't attack on another one hundred thousand acres
of deep wilderness.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The story of my dog Scoot, the Scoot was adopted.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
He was a rescue and he was found out of
garbage dump here Cleveland, townt He's a Yorkshire terrier. By
the time we nursed him back to help, he gained
up to about eight pounds. He was already estimated to
be fifteen years of age. He had no more teeth,
he was blind from cataracts, but he was obviously still
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enjoying life. He loved to be cuddled and fed, and
he loved to come out in the yard. And is
amazing how well he knew his way around the inside
the house as well as out in the yard. My
wife one morning was in a rush and she brought
a couple of the dogs out to use the bathroom,
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and little Scoop, little eight pound scoot, evidently snuck out
behind her.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And she didn't realize it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So later that morning I discovered that Scoop was missing,
and I called her because she wasn't home, and she said,
only thing I can figure is that he got out
behind me and I didn't realize it. And I said, yeah,
that's probably why it happened. Don't beat yourself up. I
stopped everything I was doing, grabbed my gear, lashed up
my boots, and I hit the woods because we're surrounded
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by wilderness. More importantly, we're surrounded by deep creek body.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I didn't.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I didn't find hide nor hair of my dog, not
a sighting, not a glimpse, not hearing the bark or anything.
And I stayed until in the woods till dark that night,
and I came out reluctantly, but I came out because
it's just not a good idea to be by yourself
in these woods at night. Went out the next day
and I did the same thing all day. I walked
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to the creek bottom scooters. Elderly had some mobility issues,
and I knew he would be going downhill and probably
couldn't come back uphill, so I concentrated on the creek bottoms.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But that's still a lot of area.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But I should have found him that day because he
would have got down to the water and then faced
having to go uphill one way or the other. The
only thing he could do besides getting in the water
would be to follow the water.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
But I didn't find him.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Two days turned into three turned into a week into
two weeks, and I had given up because everything in
this wilderness would have wanted.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
To eat my dog.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Where there'd been a skunk, a kyoy Although coyotes generally
tend to keep their distance from these creek bottoms in
and around my area.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Raccoons, foxes, other dogs.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
We got a few dogs that run wild, and I
figured he had died and been eaten and given up
all hope of finding my little dog. But on the
nineteenth to day, my neighbor came and beat on the
back door and he said, I saw your dog down
on the creek. I immediately thought that he was that
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he was being truthful, He'd just saw the wrong dog.
He had a habit of every morning he would go
down and ride the creek on his ATV looking for
the wood ducks. He loves wood ducks and also other
water fowl. So I, without hesitation, grabbing my boots and
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my keys and headed down into the creek bottom and
he was there waiting, pointing. Parked my truck in the
creek bottom and looked, and there he was. There was
my dog's scoot, standing on a sandbar in the creek.
I was so happy I didn't even I went straight
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downhill into the creek and waded over to him and
picked up that dog, and was one of the happiest
days of my life. The first thing that I noticed
was the smell. That dog stunk so horribly, and he
smelled like the smell that we associate with the big Foot.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
In the area.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We've had, you know, a number of encounters where we
didn't necessarily see them, but we knew they were shadowing,
shadowing us in the distance. I've smelled them sitting in
my house. I've smelled them standing in my backyard. But
that's what he smelled like. One other thing that I
noticed it took a minute to sink in, but there
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were no footprints around scoop. Now, this was a dried sandbar,
so even a small dog like him, you could have
seen evidence of him scurrying back and forth on that sandbar.
He wasn't wet, he was borne dry, but there was
no evidence. The evidence was suggested however long he had
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been there. He stood in one place. And I'm not
afraid anymore to say what I think, but I think
that there's a chance that the Bigfoot creatures had him
the knobbies and had compassion on him, because obviously he
was no threat toothless, blind, couldn't hear, somewhat infirm.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
With mobility issues.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I believe they took compassion on him and took care
of him. We took him to the vet to be weighed,
and he weighed a quarter ounce more than the last
time he had been taken to the vet, which happened
to work out it was just shortly before we lost
him that day he weighed more after having been in
the wilderness eighteen going on nineteen days.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
He couldn't hunt. If he caught something, he couldn't eat it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He had no teeth, so something was feeding him.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And there's no doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
The smell, it appeared that he was just sat down
on that sandbar, and I would envision that the creatures
knew my neighbor's habit of being in and out of
the creek bottom every day, and they set him in
a place hoping that he would be spotted because they
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would have heard me yelling for screaming at he was deaf,
but I would come out here at night just out
of desperation and screaming my head off, hoping that he
could just hear a tinge of me yelling and bark,
which never happened. And I believe they set him down
on the sand bank to be discovered, and perhaps they
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had tried that on other days as well. It's just
that my neighbor never spotted, and because of his coloration,
he would blend it in with the leaf litter or
the sand. But there's also the possibility that we could
have a couple of feraohs living here in this immediate area,
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and that's who found him and took care of him.
I discount that for the most part. I don't exclude
it completely because of the smell, the way that the
dog smelled. And I told my wife. She said, oh God,
we got to give him a bath. I said, we can't.
We're not going to traumatize him with the bath because
he hated that.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He hates baths.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He's still alive at a ripe old age of at
least seventeen. So now we'll wait till tomorrow traumatizing with
the vet in a bath. So that's the story of Scoot.
I call him the miracle puppy, the Lord saved, And
we'll tell people, don't care if they think we're crazy.
The good Lord sent his boogers in the woods to
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save our dog until we could get him back. Now
I look forward to hearing people's theories on that as well.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Two things are for sure about old Scoot.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
There.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Number one, he definitely is a miracle puppy. And number two,
he definitely had a guardian angel watching over him, and
thank goodness for that too. No doubt you co host
to show the focuses on cryptids and pureanormal phenomena, Please
tell us about it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I am in a group called NCI North Carolina Investigates
and see. I has a show on the Channel twelve
TV network, which is a subscription service. It's on Roku
and Cromcast and several others. Channel twelve TV networks on
Facebook and has a website, and so we get. We're
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fortunate enough to be able to record two episodes a week,
and I'm particularly proud of last week. Last Tuesday, we
dedicated a whole episode to a video that I was
able to capture that appeared to be about a nine
foot tall cryptid who had gray or white hair. And
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you never know what we'll be talking about. We don't
just limit ourselves to talking about bigfoot, talk about bigfoot,
dog men, UFO's ghost, whatever is the topic of the day.
But we have license to pretty much just go with it.
And we have a good time on the NCI show.
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But we also well, we have some very very good
guests on from time to time, and the conversation goes
where it goes.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's it's unfiltered.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It We're just like a bunch of guys sitting in
a room talking about things, a bunch of guys who
anagal who just happens to have a lot of experience
in these fields. And I also do my own show,
which is on TikTok under the name of the Strange
and Unexplained Phenomena of the South Mountains of North Carolina,
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and my handle on TikTok is Jay Period R Period
Millwood at Kaser Rebels c A S A R R
E B E L. I have the same episodes on YouTube,
but I have I changed the name because I'm leaving
room for expansion, and it's called Rebels Dark Tales of Appalachia.
At some point I will start including episodes about things
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in the Appalachian Mountains in general.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Will you stay busy, Jerry?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I do. I do stay pretty busy.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, that's enough to keep you hopping. After putting as
much research in the feral people as you have, How
do you think they deal with problems like staying warm
in the winter time? How do you think they feed
themselves in the winter.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Well, I think that that answer can be found in
how our ancestors survived. Many many of our ancestors arrived
in these foothills and mountains at opportune times because they
had to come over from the British Isles Scotland and
England and Ireland on the boat. That was an indeterminate period.
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Sometimes it would sometimes it would take more time to
get here, and then once they got here they found out,
especially our Scottish ancestors, that they weren't welcome on the East.
In the East they came, they wound up saying, well,
we know how to survive in the mountains, but they
get here during winter and they didn't have time to
build houses or anything.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
But then you had her survived.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But more importantly we look to to the Cherokee, proud
to say that I have Cherokee flowing in my veins.
How the Cherokee survived as as hunter gatherers have a
knowledge of fire and building primitive shelters. I think that
the biggest challenge for these pockets of feral people, and
I honestly believe they're dwindling somewhat year by year, but
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being so isolated obviously, and this is this is not
I'm not saying something ugly about them. I'm just going
to state the obvious and that's there. There has to
be a history of inbreeding, and with with a history
of inbreeding, you see a variety of health problems, both
in the physical body but also with the mind. I
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believe surviving being that they would have been raised that
way and talked the ways on how to survive would
be challenging, certainly, But finding shelter caves or even building
primitive shelters, that's all hard work. Doing the hunting and
the gathering, that's all hard work, but it's very doable.
The one thing they can't overcome, in my opinion, is
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the endbreeding. That is obviously would be more prevalent in
some individuals than others, but all would be affected to
some extent and a lot of the you know, the
witnesses that who have stepped forward that had feral encounters
reported the physical appearances, you know, being misshapen.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
There was just there was obvious problems there.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, I can only imagine all the problems they'd have
to deal with on a D n D out basis.
Have you heard about any feral people being encountered outside
of Appalachia.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, I have, definitely, there's there's been report from many places,
and the strangest the one that I think would present
the most survival channels. That are the ones that's been
spotted in the American Southwest. If you recall the movies
The Hills Have Eyes. Oh yeah, they're living on the
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old Air Force bombing ranges and the military installations out there.
And I've been out there. I've been to a number
of installations out in the West in general, but especially
the desert, and.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That place is huge.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I mean, there's virtually I mean there's places that humans
have never stepped. The desert is so big out there,
and there's mountains and there's caves and.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Other countries as well.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, the thing of feral people, not just here
in North America, but in Europe and in Asia is
also something that goes back in the history, and the
story of people just stepping away from society is something
that has been told time and time again across the
whole globe.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, that's interesting. Yeah, I thought it was a good
possibility that feral people might be another parts of the US,
but had heard anything about them being over in Europe.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, not just based on you know, things that I've
read in documentaries and such that I've seen, but I
believe any area of the United States, Canada that's that's
deep forest, that's where your likelihood of having feral people
is because it affords concealment from society and they can
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live without being spotted. I mean, I could take if
you've got the proper knowledge, I could take a platoon
of soldiers into the South Mountains, which are one hundred
thousand acres, but that pells in comparison to the size
of utter Willderness areas.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I could take a whole platoon of people.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
We could disappear into those mountains and if we didn't
want to be seen, we'd never be seen. So they've
got the concealment and the privacy.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Oh sure, yeah, they definitely would. But if you did
that with a platoon, you would have advanced machinery and
equipment and the ability to sneak out and get resources.
But then again, I guess the feral people they probably
do that as well. They probably read people's backyards for
supplies and grab opportunists.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's opportunistic, and let's face it, that humans have been known,
you know, our entire existence. We scrounge, especially when we
have to, and you do any and everything you can
to survive. And that's just an you know, they have
that added feature and that advantage that say our ancestors
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or the or the Native Americans didn't have. They can
encroach just on the edge of society and maybe scraunge
and raid, and like my friend experienced, the poor unfortunate
camper or hiker.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
You know, there's a lot of stuff they can use.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
But not just food, but knives, tarps, clothing. You know,
they're not obviously not wearing the same clothes that's been
passed down from three generations back. They've gotten these clothes
from somewhere, although there's been reports of them being spotted naked,
but most most of the reports that I've ran across
were them wearing rags, basically clothing that was well worn,
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lacking the haircut and having the giant beards and.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Looking just bad.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
But definitely not just in the Appalachian mountains and foothills,
other areas of the country as well. I think that
here the mountain people, although there's huge wilderness areas, like
you were alluding, to when they get comfortable enough to
come just to the edge at the opportunity of taking
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a pig or a goat. And we've had pigs and
goats in this area. It's been attributed to bigfoot, and
I'm guilty of solidly stating it was bigfoot, as though
I knew it was a fact.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
But there's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
It's fair people emerge at night, come up to the farm,
snatch some chickens, or snatch a peace or snatchy goat,
and they wouldn't know how to how to slaughter and
who knows what you know, they they've probably got knives
and other survival tools that they've either rated or even
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things that was handed down.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You raised some really good points. Yeah, doing those things
would make existing out there an eckual lot easier. So,
like I said, those are really good points there. Well,
I'll tell you what, Jerry, We're about out of time.
So I just want to thank you so much for
coming on and sharing all these other experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Well, it was my pleasure. I enjoy being on the
show very much.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Well, it's been great, haven't you. Thanks again for your
time and have a great night.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Keundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
like to be a guest on the show, please go
to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd
love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a
great night.
I appreciate you for inviting me back for a part
too from last week's episode, and I'm honored by well
we left off talking about feral people, and I can
say that the idea of feral people, especially in the
Appalachian Mountains and foothills, is nothing new.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
By no means.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
The idea of wild men in the woods goes all
the way back to the Cherokee and other Native American
tribes and some of the well known cases of disappearances
within the Appalachian Mountains in the minds of some people
and some evidence suggests that those disappearances could be tied
to feral people, the most famous case being the very
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tragic case of the little boy named Dennis Martin, who
in nineteen sixty nine disappeared up in the Great Smoky Mountains,
never to be seen again. No trace was found of him.
There are are stories among the mountain people that tend
to credit that to feral people as opposed to just
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some criminal person kidnapping a child or.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
A bigfoot or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
We do know for sure that the Special Forces were
sent in out of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and that
they showed up in the Great smokies, and they asked
for a couple of guides, a couple of locals to
guide them, and they said that they would not be
part of the main search party. And that's where the
great vine of history takes over. There are accounts that
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they went in and found feral people, and I actually
killed some feral people. And we can't verify that one
way or the other unless a witness from the Green
Berets steps forward and verifies it, or perhaps one of
the local people, if there's still a life, stepped forward
to say, yeah, here's what we saw, here's what we did.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So who knows.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But again, the idea of feral people living wild in
pockets of the Appalachian Mountain, in the mountains and foothills
is nothing, by no means new, and from everything that
I've gathered with feral people, it's my theory, and I
feel like I could defend it that the people living
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wild in these areas now didn't just a couple of
years ago decide to walk away from society and take
up residence in.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
The deep wilderness.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I believe that this is the product of several generations.
You know that three, four or five generations ago, who
knows how far back their ancestors stepped into the wilderness
for whatever reasons. In some cases there was some just
a complete complete disillusionment of society, and people said I've
had enough of this, or going to just go and
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get away from everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's very feasible.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Religious reasons were religious persecution and own and own.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But generations ago.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The feral people of the Appalachian Mountains now live here
because their ancestors went and hid, and they know no
other way of life. As a matter of fact, a
lot of the evidence suggests that they have their own language,
their own very convoluted version of the English language, even
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if it can be even called English anymore, that they
predate living as and hunter gatherers, but also predate on
the unlucky hikers and campers. And I have a story
that a gentleman shared with me in nineteen seventy eight.
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He had developed a love for going and camping and
hiking long distances, and he, for whatever reason, liked to
do it solo.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
He had been introduced to it while he.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Was in college at Western Carolina, but then when he
left college, he just started doing his thing by himself,
and not too far as the crow flies from where
I live on the past, just past the western edge
of the South Mountains. He had planned this week long
trip and he camped. He hiked into the woods and
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he set up camp, and the idea was that he
was going to hike in a.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Different direction every day.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And he got in and got his camp set up,
and the next morning he got up, he prepared camp.
There's certain things you have to do when you're in
a wilderness like this. One of them is you take
your food and your trash. You put them in bags
of some type. You take a rope, throwing it into
a tree, loop it over a high branch, and pull
them high off the ground to keep the bears away.
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But he did all of that and he started his hike.
And he got five or ten minutes into the hike
and he figured out that he had a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
In his boot.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
He never actually told me if he was a pebble
or an acorn or what it was. But he stopped
it was five or ten minutes away from camp to
get the object out.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Of his boot.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And he heard this strange clicking noise, this clicking sound,
and it bothered him, and he went down the trail
a little further after he got in the situation with
his boot taking care of it, and it bothered him
so bad that he stopped. He set his backpack down,
and he got his coffee out. He said, he just
poured himself a cup of coffee and was just pondering it.
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And he heard what the unmistakable sound of human voices.
And keep in mind, he was still relatively close to
camp ten minutes or so, but he couldn't quite make
out what was being said, and it sounded weird.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
To him, and he.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Thought about it, and he decided it was best to
turn and go back toward camp. He heard noises off
to the left and to the right, clicking always. He
heard some walking in the leave the leaf litter and
that type of thing. He topped the hill to get
his first visual of his campsite, and he saw these
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three individuals and they were running.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
He just before he topped.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The hill, he heard the sound of like his pots
in his pans, his camp wear being dropped, and he
got on top of the hill where the camp was
just in time to see these three individuals running away.
Now he zeroed in on one of them in particular,
and he said that the all three of them had
like this long, stringy hair, but this one was running
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slower than the other ones, and that it would look
to misshaping from the back. Its right shoulder was hanging
much lower than the left, and it just looked like
a person that was something was drastically wrong with him.
He didn't pursue them wisely, but there was no doubt
a fair person to his left, to his providing overwatch, providing,
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in my opinion, they were looking out while his camp
was being raided. His camp was decimated and things were
taking The bags that he had tied up into the
trees were down and gone, and he came back the
next day, but he came back with more people, and
they were hoping to cite these people again.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They even feigned.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
As though they were going to go hiking, and they
went five or ten minutes away, and they stopped and
they laid low. But they had no further encounters, and
for the rest of his life he never had an
encounter like that again. But he never went back into
that particular area. Ironically enough, prior to me ever interviewing
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this witness, before he ever came forward, something was brought
to my attention, which would have been just south of
that location in western Rutherford County, North Carolina. A friend
of mine told me that they had been There had
been a controlled burn in this one area, and the
burn had revealed the mouth of a small cave, and
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by his estimation, he looked like there was a lot
of flat footed traffic in and out of the cave.
He said, we come over. I've got a crew together
and we'll go. We'll go scout this out. It was
a good hike into the woods and beautiful area of
western Rutherford County. We had to walk up over a
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mountain and then back down into a creek bottom. But
on our way there we came upon this giant patch
of ground seed. Now, ground seedar is a plant that
is groundcover. It's natural to the Appalachian mountains and foothills
to the hardwood belt, and when it establishes itself somewhere,
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it looks like a beautiful green carpet. And so we
came across this patch of wood seedar and there was
a log of partially rotten log laying in the midst
of this ground seater and my friend actually noticed it first.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It was a footprint.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now those are few and far between in the forest
because of the leaf litter being so thick, and then
you've got an area covered by this ground seater stuff.
But what happened, from all appearances, was this person stepped
over that log and they slipped, and when they slipped
on the terminus of that slip, they raked away with
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their foot by accident of course, the ground seater, and
they left a very very pretty pristine footprint that was,
by the way, pretty fresh. We got to study in
the footprint, and my hopes that first was, oh, gosh,
this is a pretty big footprint. But it wasn't big
enough and it didn't fit the anatomical features of a
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big foot trap.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And we took pictures of it and talked about it.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But it just looked it just looked different than your
average footprint. Now, it's not the footprint that I sent
you a picture of, but I will send you a
picture of this particular footprint. We had some people look
at it, and one of them is a retired tracker
and a guy hunting guid. He said, that's a human footprint,
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but that particular person's foot is completely and totally flat,
and in his experience, as he explained that that would
be a person that's went the majority of their life barefooted.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So we.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Moved on, went to the cave, and there was no
doubt it was down by the creek bottom.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It was. It was hard packed.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We wasn't able to find any very clear footprints at
all because it was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So well traffied.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
But there's no doubt in my mind, based on all
of my experiences, that it was flat footed traffic coming
in and out of that small cave. It had rained
heavily the day before, and we elected not to go
all the way into the cave.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For safety reasons.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We had plentiful numbers and a couple of folks in
the party was armed, but we did not explore the
cave fully. Now, for whatever reason, to this day, I've
never been asked to come back to finish that expedition
for us to look into that cave and to explore it.
But I believe there's at least one or two or
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three maybe feral people, maybe more, who knows, and they've
got them a perfect pocket over there in this isolated
wilderness area. I just would prefer never to run into
a feral person a bigfoot by all means I've on
two occasions witnessed them had rocks thrown at me. But
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I don't think a Bifut's going to hurt a human.
Dog Man's another story never seen one. Don't think I
want to, but a feral person scares the heck out
of me. But if I'm called upon to do any
kind of an investigation or expedition into an area that
is people think that there's feral people there, I'm going
to do it. So stay tuned there. I have just
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finished up a long term research project on the area
here where I live, in the immediate area of the
South Mountains, especially the eastern end of the South Mountains,
in the southeastern end of the South Mountains where Kaser,
North Carolina sits my hometown. It's the time period of
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nineteen seventy eight into nineteen seventy nine. And preface this
by saying that this area has always been known for strangeness,
weird things, scary things, ghost lights in the trees, lights
on the g lights in the sky, witches, and of
course Bigfoot or as we call them, Nobby's. But there
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was this one time period there in the late seventies
when we had an epidemic of sightings, and my research
revealed a twist, which I'll talk about in a minute.
There was a reporter, actually a number of reporters who
did a fairly good job of covering this, and one
in particular, I'm eternally grateful to him.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
His name was Robert Williams.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
He's the one that coined the name that we still
call our bigfoot here nobby, because the epicenter of it
was a place called Cartner's Nob and he took the
word nob and turned it into knobby and the rest
is history. But I started really getting in, getting neck
deep and researching all of those events during that time period,
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and come to find out there were some things obscured,
and come to find out there was some things that
was certainly never revealed in the documentary or in the
newspaper articles of the time. It was all said to
have started with an eyewitness named Minnie Cook in the
Cartner's Knob area on the eastern end of the South Mountains.
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And Minnie was an elderly woman known for her good
character and her honesty, and she was old mountain gal.
She knows nature, she knows the animals. But she reported
seeing this creature upright on two feet, black hair, big,
and the thing turned around and kind of stared her down,
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and it scared Miss Cook to death, and it affected
her the rest of her life. She wouldn't go out
of the house for any reason from the from then
forward without being armed with her shotgun. And it was
thought that she had the first sighting during that time period, but.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I unveiled in.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
My research there were at least two major sightings prior
to that. One in particular was a fisherman who was
trout fishing over in the South Mountains and one of
these creatures stepped out of the woods. And again this
is the guy's a fisherman who's in the midst of
the South Mountains. You got to be of good stock
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to be able to go into the South Mountains to
begin with. And this this creature stepped out of the woods,
same description, tall, covered in black hair, looked sort of
ape like, looked sort of human like, and walked for
a distance and disappeared back into the woods without further incident,
as quickly as it as it had appeared. But this fisherman,
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and I don't know his name, This was a newspaper
article from the gentleman I spoke of earlier. He I
guess he had agreed not to reveal the fellow's name.
But he returned the next day to the same spot.
But he returned armed and according to his statement made
to the newspaper reporter, this creature appeared once again again
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and he took a shot at it. Unfortunately, that's the
end of the trail on the information. It may be
lost to history. Whether he hit the creature or he
didn't hit it, or anything after that. I don't know
of any other information regarding that. But for the man
to return the next day to try to shoot and
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kill this creature, who knows why he would do such
a thing. Probably because he went and relayed his experience
to someone. They made fun of him or called him
a liar, and he said, well, fine, I will show everybody.
I'll go in and kill it and bring it out.
But he didn't do that. If he did, there's no
record of it. And there's the sighting also prior to
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Miss Cook's sighting. Actually there were several other ones, and
I just tried to stick to the major ones.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But there was a.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Man who was just driving up the road, an elderly
man again of good character, and right side the road
was one of these creatures, tall upright, black hair, walking
in an ape black manner, but also looking somewhat human,
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and that short brief encounter affected that elderly man until
he passed on. I was able to talk to a
family member of his who said that he wouldn't talk
about it other than to say that he hoped nobody
ever saw what he saw that day, and on to
the to the twist and turns, and again there was many, many,
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many sightings reported, and for the people of this area
to contact the authorities, that's a big deal, especially back
in that time frame, because the people around here are
very mistrustful. There is the typical mountain culture. It's not
that they don't like law enforcement or they've got anything
against They just believe in handling their own problems and
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not bringing attention to themselves. But the fact that so
many people reached out contacted law enforcement, and also the
fact that several of them openly talked to the media
about it, tells me exactly how much it had impacted them.
There was a particularly horrifying sighting. A man and his
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wife was driving up the road one night and they
passed his father's house and they noticed a large shadow
or figure standing on the porch of his father's house.
But and their headlights of their car revealed what they
were looking at. It was one of these creatures, and
it was on the porch of his father's house. Now
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what the creature was doing, who knows. I think it
was trying to look through the windows. There's a very
good reason why it's a tradition here in the Appalachian
mountains and foothills. You close your curtains that night. Some
people go as far as penning them shut, because we
don't want the unknown looking in on us in the
privacy of our own home, or we don't want to
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be laying in bed and look up and see two
red or green eyes looking in our window at the
seven or eight foot level. So no other reports was
made by this couple, but it was with two people
who saw it. And I could go on and on
with a with a lot of the individual sightings that
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were on record, plus a couple that I discovered by
talking with people.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
But I'll get on to the to.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
The twist in turn of it twist plural and turns plural.
There was one individual who I would have loved to
have interviewed in regard to this time period. And I
found out his name through the Bigfoot Casebook. If you
know a lot of your listeners will be familiar with
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the Bigfoot Casebook. But there is a full page picture
of this gentleman in the big Footcase Book. His name
was Ferrell Shuk, and it was kind of vague as
to what he saw. But I found it odd that
it wasn't listed in the part of the book that
was the chronological sightings, at least.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Not that I could find.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
But I couldn't interview mister Schuk because he passed away
many years earlier. However, a friend of mine who is
his name is Dwight Campbell, and he's not going to
mind me using his name. He is a member of
the group formerly known as Dirty South Squatching, now known
as Sasquat's Ricon He found this old documentary that was
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filmed in mid to late nineteen seventy nine by a
fellow named John Alexander from Severeville, Tennessee. Mister Alexander came
into this area and shot a very decent documentary and
Dwight found that on YouTube and brought it to my attention.
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He did a lot of eyewitness interviews in this documentary
to include mister Shook Feralship. But as it turned out,
during this time period when these people of the area
were reported seeing these upright bipedal creatures, black and hairy,
they were hearing all of these vocalizations throughout the daytime
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and the nighttime. But there was one vocalization that just
didn't fit, and it was this screaming sound like a
woman screaming, and most of the time that one was
reported at night, though it was reported a couple times
during the daytime. And again, these vocalizations were widespread, many many,
many people reported hearing them, but that one vocalization of
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this sound as though a woman was screaming, don't fit bigfoot,
and I immediately thought black panther. So lo and bold
I watched the part of the documentary where mister Shuk
was interviewed and he reported not seeing an upright bipedal creature.
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He saw a huge, black, by his estimation, panther. Oversized
black panther appeared during the daytime, grab a dead chicken
out of a ditch and disappeared back into the woods.
So remarkably enough, during that time period, you have two,
but there's one more twist coming. We'll get to that one.
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You had two things going on at one time. You
had this plethora of all these sightings of the big
Foot type creatures, but there was also, according to the evidence,
a black panther on the loose for whatever reason. Now,
the panthers will make basically the male panther. Panthers will
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make a giant circle in a year's time roughly. We've
had them hit us a couple of springs in a
row back a few years ago. They cleaned me out
of my chickens.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And my ducks.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They attacked the neighbor's full grown cow, didn't kill it,
but I attacked and ate one of the calves. There
were footprints found during the time period that are certainly
attributable to Bigfoot, but there were another type of footprint
found that was clearly panther, a big cat.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And again, the people around here.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Know are outdoors people, they know nature, they know the animals,
and they're good trackers.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So those two things were going on at the same time.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Now, the final twist, there was a lady who was
driving up a road just absolutely close to where we
actually live during the daytime, at ten o'clock in the morning,
and she saw what she thought was a black dog
until she got a little bit closer, and the thing
was absolutely gargantuan, to the point as she had slowed
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down and come up the side of it, and it
was on all fours, but it was looking through the
window of her car down at her.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
She got home, she reported it to her husband.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
She went on record later as saying, my husband advised
me not to talk about it because people definitely think
she was crazy. And she spoke a little bit more
about it afterwards, and to my knowledge, there's no record
of her ever speaking about it again, and she has
passed on since, so I certainly won't be able to
talk to it. So for the final twists, there were
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the bigfoot tracks found in this area during that time period.
There were the big cat tracks found, but there was
a third type of track being found in this area
at the time, and there was a cast made of
one of them, and they showed the cast on this documentary.
But the old timers, the good old boys that was
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out doing the track and they would see these prints.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
They were puzzled because there was the size of a.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Man's hand, but they looked like a combination between a
dog print and a cat print, and they were thrown
a back by, so a little bit of I don't
usually like assuming, but in this case, I'm assuming that
we had bigfoot bigfoots in plural in this area. We
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had at least one oversized black panther on the prowl.
But the ladies sighting in the car of this thing
being so huge it was looking down in our window
and finding those super big tracks that looked more looked
like a dog print with a little bit of cat mixed.
Then I can't help but extrapolate that there was also
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a dog man. And I don't know anything about them.
I've never seen one. I've recently started learning about them.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The guys on.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
NCI have taken me into dog man territory, and I
do believe in them, but I've certainly had no experience.
So that's where I am. On that time period of
this area. People were scared to death during that time period,
and I don't even know if bigfoot was vaguely known
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amongst the population. It was a fairly popular thing because
of the legend of Boggie Creek and the other movies
and documentaries of the seventies, but I don't know that
dog men were even on the radar. I would have
to research that some dog men researchers could could talk
a lot more about that.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So that's a remarkable time.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I'm just now putting this out as of actually today,
before I called in to do part two, i'd released
episode three of my show, and today was.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
The first time that I had talked about it on air.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So I'm looking forward to hearing comments of people's ideas
and thoughts on this possibility of bigfoot, a big panther,
and a dog man being in the same general area.
And I'm not talking about a concentrated area of a
square mile or two. This is a huge area, and
the sightings were all over and many people had the sightings,
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but the footprints were found in many different areas, and
footprints do not lie, and I don't think back then
anyone would have thought to a hoax a dog man
print and the there's been there was sightings before that.
I talked about a couple of my favorites that one
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extended all the way back to nineteen sixteen. A man's
grandfather had relayed the story to him and his father
had too, had had experiences there were I think I
talked about the two hunters that went squirrel hunting and
was chased out of the woods by one of these creatures.
They only saw one anyway, and it was huge and
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putting on threat displays. But every since the nineteen seventies
on to now, these these encounters, these sightings continue to occur,
so it's nothing that was isolated to that one time period.
Witnesses are still coming forward with very recent sightings.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
So who knows.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Tomorrow, I may get a call that someone had another
encounter today somewhere in the South Mountains or in the periphery.
But I'm still I'm certainly anticipating at some point somebody
calling because they suspect feral people somewhere, because you're looking
at one hundred thousand acres of wilderness with just the
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mountain chain, not to mention the periphery or wilderness around it,
and I don't attack on another one hundred thousand acres
of deep wilderness.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The story of my dog Scoot, the Scoot was adopted.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
He was a rescue and he was found out of
garbage dump here Cleveland, townt He's a Yorkshire terrier. By
the time we nursed him back to help, he gained
up to about eight pounds. He was already estimated to
be fifteen years of age. He had no more teeth,
he was blind from cataracts, but he was obviously still
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enjoying life. He loved to be cuddled and fed, and
he loved to come out in the yard. And is
amazing how well he knew his way around the inside
the house as well as out in the yard. My
wife one morning was in a rush and she brought
a couple of the dogs out to use the bathroom,
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and little Scoop, little eight pound scoot, evidently snuck out
behind her.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And she didn't realize it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So later that morning I discovered that Scoop was missing,
and I called her because she wasn't home, and she said,
only thing I can figure is that he got out
behind me and I didn't realize it. And I said, yeah,
that's probably why it happened. Don't beat yourself up. I
stopped everything I was doing, grabbed my gear, lashed up
my boots, and I hit the woods because we're surrounded
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by wilderness. More importantly, we're surrounded by deep creek body.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And I didn't.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I didn't find hide nor hair of my dog, not
a sighting, not a glimpse, not hearing the bark or anything.
And I stayed until in the woods till dark that night,
and I came out reluctantly, but I came out because
it's just not a good idea to be by yourself
in these woods at night. Went out the next day
and I did the same thing all day. I walked
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to the creek bottom scooters. Elderly had some mobility issues,
and I knew he would be going downhill and probably
couldn't come back uphill, so I concentrated on the creek bottoms.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
But that's still a lot of area.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But I should have found him that day because he
would have got down to the water and then faced
having to go uphill one way or the other. The
only thing he could do besides getting in the water
would be to follow the water.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
But I didn't find him.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Two days turned into three turned into a week into
two weeks, and I had given up because everything in
this wilderness would have wanted.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
To eat my dog.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Where there'd been a skunk, a kyoy Although coyotes generally
tend to keep their distance from these creek bottoms in
and around my area.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Raccoons, foxes, other dogs.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
We got a few dogs that run wild, and I
figured he had died and been eaten and given up
all hope of finding my little dog. But on the
nineteenth to day, my neighbor came and beat on the
back door and he said, I saw your dog down
on the creek. I immediately thought that he was that
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he was being truthful, He'd just saw the wrong dog.
He had a habit of every morning he would go
down and ride the creek on his ATV looking for
the wood ducks. He loves wood ducks and also other
water fowl. So I, without hesitation, grabbing my boots and
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my keys and headed down into the creek bottom and
he was there waiting, pointing. Parked my truck in the
creek bottom and looked, and there he was. There was
my dog's scoot, standing on a sandbar in the creek.
I was so happy I didn't even I went straight
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downhill into the creek and waded over to him and
picked up that dog, and was one of the happiest
days of my life. The first thing that I noticed
was the smell. That dog stunk so horribly, and he
smelled like the smell that we associate with the big Foot.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
In the area.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
We've had, you know, a number of encounters where we
didn't necessarily see them, but we knew they were shadowing,
shadowing us in the distance. I've smelled them sitting in
my house. I've smelled them standing in my backyard. But
that's what he smelled like. One other thing that I
noticed it took a minute to sink in, but there
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were no footprints around scoop. Now, this was a dried sandbar,
so even a small dog like him, you could have
seen evidence of him scurrying back and forth on that sandbar.
He wasn't wet, he was borne dry, but there was
no evidence. The evidence was suggested however long he had
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been there. He stood in one place. And I'm not
afraid anymore to say what I think, but I think
that there's a chance that the Bigfoot creatures had him
the knobbies and had compassion on him, because obviously he
was no threat toothless, blind, couldn't hear, somewhat infirm.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
With mobility issues.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I believe they took compassion on him and took care
of him. We took him to the vet to be weighed,
and he weighed a quarter ounce more than the last
time he had been taken to the vet, which happened
to work out it was just shortly before we lost
him that day he weighed more after having been in
the wilderness eighteen going on nineteen days.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
He couldn't hunt. If he caught something, he couldn't eat it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
He had no teeth, so something was feeding him.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And there's no doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
The smell, it appeared that he was just sat down
on that sandbar, and I would envision that the creatures
knew my neighbor's habit of being in and out of
the creek bottom every day, and they set him in
a place hoping that he would be spotted because they
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would have heard me yelling for screaming at he was deaf,
but I would come out here at night just out
of desperation and screaming my head off, hoping that he
could just hear a tinge of me yelling and bark,
which never happened. And I believe they set him down
on the sand bank to be discovered, and perhaps they
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had tried that on other days as well. It's just
that my neighbor never spotted, and because of his coloration,
he would blend it in with the leaf litter or
the sand. But there's also the possibility that we could
have a couple of feraohs living here in this immediate area,
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and that's who found him and took care of him.
I discount that for the most part. I don't exclude
it completely because of the smell, the way that the
dog smelled. And I told my wife. She said, oh God,
we got to give him a bath. I said, we can't.
We're not going to traumatize him with the bath because
he hated that.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
He hates baths.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He's still alive at a ripe old age of at
least seventeen. So now we'll wait till tomorrow traumatizing with
the vet in a bath. So that's the story of Scoot.
I call him the miracle puppy, the Lord saved, And
we'll tell people, don't care if they think we're crazy.
The good Lord sent his boogers in the woods to
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save our dog until we could get him back. Now
I look forward to hearing people's theories on that as well.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Two things are for sure about old Scoot.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
There.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Number one, he definitely is a miracle puppy. And number two,
he definitely had a guardian angel watching over him, and
thank goodness for that too. No doubt you co host
to show the focuses on cryptids and pureanormal phenomena, Please
tell us about it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I am in a group called NCI North Carolina Investigates
and see. I has a show on the Channel twelve
TV network, which is a subscription service. It's on Roku
and Cromcast and several others. Channel twelve TV networks on
Facebook and has a website, and so we get. We're
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fortunate enough to be able to record two episodes a week,
and I'm particularly proud of last week. Last Tuesday, we
dedicated a whole episode to a video that I was
able to capture that appeared to be about a nine
foot tall cryptid who had gray or white hair. And
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you never know what we'll be talking about. We don't
just limit ourselves to talking about bigfoot, talk about bigfoot,
dog men, UFO's ghost, whatever is the topic of the day.
But we have license to pretty much just go with it.
And we have a good time on the NCI show.
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But we also well, we have some very very good
guests on from time to time, and the conversation goes
where it goes.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It's it's unfiltered.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It We're just like a bunch of guys sitting in
a room talking about things, a bunch of guys who
anagal who just happens to have a lot of experience
in these fields. And I also do my own show,
which is on TikTok under the name of the Strange
and Unexplained Phenomena of the South Mountains of North Carolina,
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and my handle on TikTok is Jay Period R Period
Millwood at Kaser Rebels c A S A R R
E B E L. I have the same episodes on YouTube,
but I have I changed the name because I'm leaving
room for expansion, and it's called Rebels Dark Tales of Appalachia.
At some point I will start including episodes about things
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in the Appalachian Mountains in general.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Will you stay busy, Jerry?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I do. I do stay pretty busy.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, that's enough to keep you hopping. After putting as
much research in the feral people as you have, How
do you think they deal with problems like staying warm
in the winter time? How do you think they feed
themselves in the winter.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Well, I think that that answer can be found in
how our ancestors survived. Many many of our ancestors arrived
in these foothills and mountains at opportune times because they
had to come over from the British Isles Scotland and
England and Ireland on the boat. That was an indeterminate period.
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Sometimes it would sometimes it would take more time to
get here, and then once they got here they found out,
especially our Scottish ancestors, that they weren't welcome on the East.
In the East they came, they wound up saying, well,
we know how to survive in the mountains, but they
get here during winter and they didn't have time to
build houses or anything.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
But then you had her survived.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
But more importantly we look to to the Cherokee, proud
to say that I have Cherokee flowing in my veins.
How the Cherokee survived as as hunter gatherers have a
knowledge of fire and building primitive shelters. I think that
the biggest challenge for these pockets of feral people, and
I honestly believe they're dwindling somewhat year by year, but
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being so isolated obviously, and this is this is not
I'm not saying something ugly about them. I'm just going
to state the obvious and that's there. There has to
be a history of inbreeding, and with with a history
of inbreeding, you see a variety of health problems, both
in the physical body but also with the mind. I
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believe surviving being that they would have been raised that
way and talked the ways on how to survive would
be challenging, certainly, But finding shelter caves or even building
primitive shelters, that's all hard work. Doing the hunting and
the gathering, that's all hard work, but it's very doable.
The one thing they can't overcome, in my opinion, is
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the endbreeding. That is obviously would be more prevalent in
some individuals than others, but all would be affected to
some extent and a lot of the you know, the
witnesses that who have stepped forward that had feral encounters
reported the physical appearances, you know, being misshapen.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
There was just there was obvious problems there.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, I can only imagine all the problems they'd have
to deal with on a D n D out basis.
Have you heard about any feral people being encountered outside
of Appalachia.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, I have, definitely, there's there's been report from many places,
and the strangest the one that I think would present
the most survival channels. That are the ones that's been
spotted in the American Southwest. If you recall the movies
The Hills Have Eyes. Oh yeah, they're living on the
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old Air Force bombing ranges and the military installations out there.
And I've been out there. I've been to a number
of installations out in the West in general, but especially
the desert, and.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That place is huge.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I mean, there's virtually I mean there's places that humans
have never stepped. The desert is so big out there,
and there's mountains and there's caves and.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Other countries as well.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You know, the thing of feral people, not just here
in North America, but in Europe and in Asia is
also something that goes back in the history, and the
story of people just stepping away from society is something
that has been told time and time again across the
whole globe.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, that's interesting. Yeah, I thought it was a good
possibility that feral people might be another parts of the US,
but had heard anything about them being over in Europe.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, not just based on you know, things that I've
read in documentaries and such that I've seen, but I
believe any area of the United States, Canada that's that's
deep forest, that's where your likelihood of having feral people
is because it affords concealment from society and they can
(43:28):
live without being spotted. I mean, I could take if
you've got the proper knowledge, I could take a platoon
of soldiers into the South Mountains, which are one hundred
thousand acres, but that pells in comparison to the size
of utter Willderness areas.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I could take a whole platoon of people.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
We could disappear into those mountains and if we didn't
want to be seen, we'd never be seen. So they've
got the concealment and the privacy.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Oh sure, yeah, they definitely would. But if you did
that with a platoon, you would have advanced machinery and
equipment and the ability to sneak out and get resources.
But then again, I guess the feral people they probably
do that as well. They probably read people's backyards for
supplies and grab opportunists.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
That's opportunistic, and let's face it, that humans have been known,
you know, our entire existence. We scrounge, especially when we
have to, and you do any and everything you can
to survive. And that's just an you know, they have
that added feature and that advantage that say our ancestors
(44:33):
or the or the Native Americans didn't have. They can
encroach just on the edge of society and maybe scraunge
and raid, and like my friend experienced, the poor unfortunate
camper or hiker.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
You know, there's a lot of stuff they can use.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
But not just food, but knives, tarps, clothing. You know,
they're not obviously not wearing the same clothes that's been
passed down from three generations back. They've gotten these clothes
from somewhere, although there's been reports of them being spotted naked,
but most most of the reports that I've ran across
were them wearing rags, basically clothing that was well worn,
(45:16):
lacking the haircut and having the giant beards and.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Looking just bad.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
But definitely not just in the Appalachian mountains and foothills,
other areas of the country as well. I think that
here the mountain people, although there's huge wilderness areas, like
you were alluding, to when they get comfortable enough to
come just to the edge at the opportunity of taking
(45:41):
a pig or a goat. And we've had pigs and
goats in this area. It's been attributed to bigfoot, and
I'm guilty of solidly stating it was bigfoot, as though
I knew it was a fact.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
But there's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
It's fair people emerge at night, come up to the farm,
snatch some chickens, or snatch a peace or snatchy goat,
and they wouldn't know how to how to slaughter and
who knows what you know, they they've probably got knives
and other survival tools that they've either rated or even
(46:14):
things that was handed down.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You raised some really good points. Yeah, doing those things
would make existing out there an eckual lot easier. So,
like I said, those are really good points there. Well,
I'll tell you what, Jerry, We're about out of time.
So I just want to thank you so much for
coming on and sharing all these other experiences with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Well, it was my pleasure. I enjoy being on the
show very much.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Well, it's been great, haven't you. Thanks again for your
time and have a great night.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Keundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
like to be a guest on the show, please go
to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd
love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a
great night.
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