The Old Men of the Mountain - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 503

Tonight’s guest, Beth Duncan, is a Sasquatch eyewitness who became a Sasquatch investigator, due to her interest in learning all that she can about them. One of the many things Beth has going for her, as an investigator, is the fact that a Sasquatch clan lives on and around the 100-acre farm, in Southern West Virginia, where she lives. Her farm is where she had the sighting and not only is she going to share the details of that sighting on tonight’s show, she’s also going to share several other experiences she’s had, over the years, on her property. The first one happened when she was a little girl. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to her do that.

If you’d like to visit Beth’s YouTube Channel, Sasquatch and Paranormal in Wineberry Holler, please visit…

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https://www.wildandweirdwv.com/

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Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134

Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 

My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience 

Thanks, as always, for listening!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Beth Duncan. I am a witness turned researcher.
I would like to start at the very beginning. The
place that we live at is a very abnormal place
here in southern West Virginia. We have a lot of
things going on, from paranormal to sask Watch sidings to

(00:37):
dog man sidings. About twenty thirty miles from here. I
want to start to tell about the land, the way
that the land is, the way that Atlanta is set up.
We have one hundred acres and it's when you first
go up the holler, and it's called the head of

(00:58):
the holler at the very back, So when you go
to the first part of the holler, and it's zigzags
all the way up to the head of the holler,
which is the mountain, and it's very beautiful. A lot
of pines up in there. My grandfather used to hunt

(01:21):
back in there and they would always tell us, you know,
certain places back in there to be careful or to
watch what we're doing. We wasn't allowed to wander too
far or to go too far, or we had to
make sure to let them know where we were going.
And at the time we didn't really understand. We were kids,
you know, like we would hear them talk about things,

(01:44):
but as a kid, you would blow it off as
they're trying to scare us, or they don't want us there.
My grandfather would always talk about the old men of
the mountain, and in my tiny little eyes and ears,
I thought that was like a or you know, just
some old man that lived up in the mountains. And

(02:06):
my grandma I would often hear her refer to it
as boogers mountain boogers, and I didn't know, like, you know,
booger man mountain boogers. I always thought it was something
like the devil, to be honest, and I thought they
this was tells to scare us. When I got a
little bit older, I started noticing things. I lived in

(02:27):
a haunted house. This haunted house that we lived in
down the haller you would hear growls, and you would
hear crazy noises and lights out your windows and weird things,
and it was just the craziest experiences for a little
kid you can imagine. I remember me and my brother.

(02:48):
We Mom had told us to go to bed, and
I would always go down to her door and beg
her to please let me sleep down there with her,
because every night I would have this paralysis when I
would sleep. And you know, a lot of people blow
that off to something wrong with the mind, but it
was weird that I would have this every single night

(03:11):
when I lived to that house, and then when we
moved out it would go away. Also, my brother, you know,
he was with me one night and we was sneaking
around upstairs. We were supposed to be in bed, and
we had this big toy room that on the side
there was a closet with a hole that went up
to the attic, and we was trying to sneak to

(03:33):
go play in the toy room, and as we opened
the door, from that hole up in the attic came this.
It was the most awful growl that you can ever imagine,
and for little kids, that was terrifying. And we ran
down and told mom, and she just shut the door
and locked it and told us, you know, you need

(03:53):
to go to sleep. You have school in the morning,
and so moving on to moving out of that house,
she actually told us, you know, there were things about
that place that was haunted, and that she actually saw
and heard things there.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Also the holler.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
My grandfather he would go up there fox hunting and
when we would when he would get to a certain
point up there, he would always start to get nervous
and he would tell us the stories, you know. And
I remember one time he came home from fox hunting early,
and I remember him rushing us to the back room,
and I remember like trying to listen to hear what happened,

(04:35):
and couldn't hear very much. But later on the years
come to find out that while he was fox hunting,
something with two hands had pushed him down the hill
and had knocked his rifle out of his hand, and
he fumbled for his rifle and ran down the mountain,
and just a lot of weird things. My Also, another

(04:57):
part to my grandfather's stories was when he was fox hunting,
he looked up at the top of the mountain and
there was this wheel and it looked like it was
on fire, just a huge giant wagon wheel on fire,
burning rolling down the mountain side, and it turned blue

(05:18):
it was red that it turned blue and then it
just disappeared. The sounds that came out of the holler
were intense. We had from growls to screams. Actually part
of that holler is called growl Holler. But there were
so many different things that we had to encounter when
we were little.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
My aunt.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
She actually saw something jump in her dog lot and
it was a five foot dog lot and whatever this
was was a big black shadow figure that jumped into
her dog lot and jumped out and went up the mountain.
And the way she described it is it screamed like
a band. She and around that same area where she lived,

(06:04):
there was always something that my family, my grandpa, my grandma,
just my mom, they always called the black Ghost, and
nobody would go down that way at nighttime because this
thing was like a creeper and it would crawl on
top of these buildings and you could see a shadow
of it on top of the buildings. But it was

(06:25):
just the most horrible feeling when you would go down there.
And then when we was up in the haller. One time,
my grandma and grandpa, we had a spring up there
and we would have to gather water, and while we
were up there. Something was up in the woods, and
we didn't notice this. Little kids playing in the creek.

(06:47):
We had no clue. And my grandfather I noticed that
he was getting anxious and worried, and he told us
to gather our things and stand up and start walking,
and don't run, just walk. And we had to walk
a while out of the haller to get down to
the mouth of the holler. And as we got down

(07:09):
the middle of the haller, he kept saying, please, whatever
you do, don't run, don't look up on the side
of the mountain. Just be quiet and just walk. Now,
this as a child scared me to death, because in
my little body, all I could think was I need
to run, you know, because I could hear something walking

(07:31):
up in the woods and the weeds, but I couldn't,
you know. As I would try to peek out the
corner of my eye, I couldn't see anything. And that
all in itself was horribly, horribly scary. Now, my grandmother
also had an encounter up at the spring and when
my mom was little. She was my grandmother, my mom

(07:53):
and my aunt and they were gathering water and as
they were getting ready to leave, they'd got their buckets
of water and they picked up these buckets of water.
Mama said that in these pine trees, this circle of
pine trees, it was almost like they bent down all
of them, and winds started swirling only in that area

(08:15):
of that they were standing, and it sounded like this
weird singing. But outside of these pine trees, it was
dead steel. And she said that. My mom said that
my mama took off a running and left my aunt
and my mom standing there. And you know, finally they
realized that Mama took off running and they ran after her. Now,

(08:39):
my aunt that lives down there, she actually watched something black,
big shadow crawl down into the creek and crawled back
up into the mountains. And she's had things thrown into
her house a bunch of crazy experiences down there. Also
when I lived down there, I would get rocks thrown

(08:59):
up my house. I would get something that would hit
the side of my house, you know, at night time.
We didn't go out at night that often because it
was eerie feeling and it didn't feel right. Sometimes you
would see like eye shine out in the tree line,
or those trees would shake for no reason, and it

(09:22):
was just a scary experience to be there. There was
always a legend down in the holler that there would
ghost horses that walked up and down the creek, And
you know, I didn't really believe it until at one
point when I was younger, I had to walk down

(09:45):
the haller to get to Mama's house, and as I
was walking, I could hear it sounded like galloping, like
the way that horseshoes would hit water, and the way
that it sounded like when a horse would walk in water.
And when I would stop, it would stop, and then
when I would start walking, it would start walking. And

(10:07):
this always scared me to death until I figured out
what it was, which we'll talk about in just a
little bit. Now. My aunt goes to church, and she
come home from church one night and she said, Beth,
I've got to tell you something. She said, I know
that you look into this stuff. And she said, the

(10:31):
lady that I go to church with actually had an
experience with a dog man. She said she didn't know
what it was. It just looked like it had a
dog face and a hairy body. It stood on two
legs and its arms went down to almost its ankles.
She said that she was folding clothes and drying clothes

(10:53):
and then folding him in a basket. And when she
looked over, there was something looking at her from the wood,
and she grabbed her basket and ran in the house,
and this thing proceeded to look in the windows at her,
and she was able to get a good look at it. Also,
my mom and them would tell the story about my

(11:17):
great great grandmother that had a house in the holler
and grandma and grandpa they lived in this house that
he built with his.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Own hands, and.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
You know, after Grandpa died, it left great Grandma alone
up there and she, you know, back in the day
they grew their own food. It was really hard on them.
You know, we live in the hollers of southern West Virginia,
a very poor place, so it was very hard for her.
She at her old age would have to get out
in you know, tens of the gardens and make sure

(11:54):
that she canned food enough to last. And so she
started hearing is pounding on the walls, and then Grandpa's
voice was streaming, Mary, Mary, and it was always on
a certain corner of the house. And this went on
for years, and finally, you know, she tried to figure

(12:16):
out what was going on, couldn't figure it out, like
why would he be doing this? And she went in
the back of the closet and picked up boards and
actually found money that great grandpa was saving. So we
think that great Grandpa was hitting the side of the
house and streaming Mary to get her to find that money.

(12:37):
I have a best friend, Rachel, and there is actually
a park that is about two miles from my house
and Rachel she was about eighteen or nineteen and she
had her boyfriend with her and they had this little
tiny trackers Azuki thing that they were driving, and they

(13:00):
wanted to go at night and see it eat food.
And while they were down there, she said that she
had flicked a cigarette out and as soon as she
flicked a cigarette out, something started jumping on the back
of that vehicle, and when it would jump, it would

(13:20):
lift the front end of that vehicle up. And it
started to jump so fast that it realized now that
if it stood, jumped on it and stood, it could
hold the front end up. And she said that when
it finally got down and the vehicle two front tires hit,
her boyfriend had put it into gear and tried to

(13:42):
speed off, and they couldn't see a hand in front
of their face. They couldn't see what it was. And
this little road that they had to get out of
was very, very curvy, and she said that they got
halfway out of this little road and something had grabbed
their tire again and pushed stem almost off the side
of the road. And she said for years she had

(14:04):
a tire with whatever grabbed it. It grabbed it so
hard that it left a handprint on that tire, and
whatever it was had really really sharp fingernails. Now, since
I've gotten older, I understand a little bit about what's
going on in this place. And we know that this

(14:25):
place it's haunted. Of course, we know it's haunted, and
we see a lot of orbs in this area. Now,
I didn't really understand it until I had my own encounter,
which we're going to talk about right now. You know,
it's very hard to talk about because it has a

(14:46):
couple of details that are very emotional. To just bear
with me. Back in twenty sixteen or seventeen, I can't
even accept and remember the exact date. I had a
boyfriend that was a really horrible person, and at the

(15:08):
time I had told him that he needed to leave
and I had at the time three kids, so they
were the most important thing to me, and I knew
that to make our lives better, he needed to go.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
So when he left.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
It was about a month later that he ended hisself
and ended up in prison. And he would call me
and aggravate me and drive me crazy, and that one
time that he called, I couldn't handle it no more,
and I said, you know what. My daughter was seventeen
at the time, and I was like, can you watch

(15:44):
the other kids. I just need a moment to breathe
and cry. So I needed a moment to get myself
together and to go for a walk. And so as
we started at the holler, as I was talking about before,
this place is almost a zigzag, and there is hills

(16:08):
or mountains on both sides of the holler, and the
road is in the middle of these hills. And then
on the sides of the hill are these little garden
plots and they go all the way up to a
huge valley which could cut off to the spring or
the pond where it could zigzag back up to the

(16:29):
graveyard and the big power lines. And I remember I
was walking down on the first little road and remembering
that things just even though I was in an emotional state,
something was just off. And I could feel that, even

(16:50):
though you know, I was in a horrible emotional distress,
and that it was like there were no birds and
this place has so has so many dear like I'm
looking at one right now on the porch, Like this
place is just animals everywhere. But that day was very
still and it didn't feel right. But at the time

(17:15):
I needed a moment. I couldn't go back and let
the kids see me the way that I was. So
I got to where the valley is and I noticed
that it just kept feeling more ominous and more ominous.
But I knew that, like I said, I had to

(17:35):
do this. And so as you walk up the second part,
it's kind of scary because there's pine trees on both
sides of the road and you can't see back in there,
and it gets really dark. And I don't even remember
when I was little walking up through there and scared
to death, you know, because you can't really see what's

(17:57):
going on up in pines. And I remember walking up
through there and feeling my heart beat so fast, and
probably from the emotional stress and from whatever I was
feeling that day. And so we get to where we

(18:19):
come out of the pines and it's a straight up
other heel to walk up to to get to the
graveyard and the power lines. And I walk up through there,
and I sit for a minute at the graveyard, and
I know it sounds silly, but a lot of people
will sit and talk to their relatives about things, and
that's what I did for a second. And then I

(18:42):
walked back to where the big power lines are, big
old power poles. And you know, if you've ever seen
these power lines, you know that they'll make a cut
down through both sides of it, and you can see
pretty far down through there. And I remember sitting there

(19:02):
was a big rock right there, and it was my
favorite rock to sit on because when you get to
the top of this mountain, you can see everything and
it's so beautiful. It's almost like that it just sitting
there absorbing the sun, it heals your soul. So that day,

(19:23):
I was sitting up there and just enjoying the sun
and enjoying how beautiful it was, and you know, and
I started to reminisce on of the things that he
had done to me and the things that I went through,
and I got very emotional and just you know, I
was crying and letting all this out. And you know,
I knew nobody could hear me because this place, it's

(19:45):
one hundred acres of just family and nobody, and up
in the holler there's.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Absolutely nobody, so nobody can hear me.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
And I remember hearing a sound over the hill to
the le left in front of me, and I remember
taking off my glasses and wiping my glasses off to
put them back on because they were all teary, and
cleaning my glasses off and looking over to the left,
and what I saw was something that changed my life forever.

(20:23):
It was just a huge hairy man standing over there.
And you know, I was so close to this being
that I could see his hair blowing in the wind.
I was so close that I could see the brow
ridge and the eye color, the brown, and I can see,
you know, the lips. And the reason I could see

(20:47):
this so well was because I went into this kind
of a panic when I first seen him, and it
was almost like tunnel vision that everything around me I
couldn't see, it was a blurb, but him I could
see perfectly clear. And I was freaking out so bad
that it was just like that's all I could see.

(21:10):
And I remember him just standing there with a look
on his face of like almost like concern or you know,
what's going on with this person? And I remember I
was so scared that my body couldn't I couldn't figure
out what to do. My body just was so I

(21:32):
can't explain. I just my legs wasn't working right, my
hands wasn't working right. The only thing that I knew
to do was just to freak out and stare at
this beating. He had brown hair and it was like
a when the sun hit it, like a cinnamon color,
bark brown. And his hands were very his arms were

(21:56):
very long, and one of his hands he had to
get to tree and he was weaving side to side,
and as he would weave, I could see the hair
underneath his arm, about four to six inches and it
was just weaving, waving back and forth. The lips were

(22:19):
thick he had, and I didn't know it before I
started researching. I didn't know what to call it. I
always said he had a bump on his head, a
big knot on his head. But now I've learned that
it's called a conical head, and I didn't know how to.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Describe the eye above his eyes.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
But now I know that it's just a heavy brow
ridge and that's what he had. He had a nose
the way, the only way that I could describe it
was that he had sort of a treasure troll nose,
those treasure trolls that you buy a bout in the
eighties and nineties, like that kind of a nose. And

(23:05):
you know, it was a very human looking in the face,
and he had hair all over him. At that moment,
my body and mind tried to come back to me.
You know, when you're that freaked out, things don't feel normal.
Nothing feels normal. And I was trying to like make

(23:27):
my force myself to understand that I needed to figure
out what to do. And I knew that running back
into the woods was a bad idea because I could
potentially run into more of them. So I knew the
only choice that I had was to walk forward, which

(23:49):
would be walking in front of you know, I didn't
know at the time whatever this was and hoping that
it stayed where it was, because as I I would
walk forward, it wouldn't mean that I would get a
little closer to whatever this was because it was down
over the hill in front of me, so in order

(24:09):
for me to walk by, I would be getting a
little closer and closer. Then as I got to it
further away, as I got my legs moving, it was
so shaky that I couldn't hardly get my legs to work.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It felt like they were jello.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And I felt like my heart was going to be
out my chest and I was going to throw up
all in one.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
But I knew that I had to get home to
my kids.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I knew that I was the only one they had,
and that I knew that I had to do this
for them and to get my mind and body together
and get home for them. So got myself together and
I took the first step, hoping to God look over
that it was staying, and it did, and I took

(24:57):
the second step, and each step that I would get close,
I would watch it turn its body to me. And
I finally looked the last time when I was past it,
and it had turned all the way around, didn't move
its neck, but all the way around to watch me leave,
and I remember thinking, please stay there, don't follow me,

(25:18):
Please stay there. Walk the other way and that's exactly
what he did. As I was walking, I saw him
start to turn his whole body back around and start.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Walking back up into the woods.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And as I got past him, and seeing that he
was turned the other way, I started running it. Even
though I knew Michael the thoughts of my grandpa telling
me never to run when there was a predator that
was out the window, I was going to run. And
I knew that I wasn't running down that zigzag. I

(25:52):
was running straight down the mountain. I was running through
the woods because you could run you can take that
at zigzag, which is a long way out of the holler,
or you could go through the woods and it would
take you back to the house, which was I don't
know why they didn't. I guess because it was too
steep and that you'd never be able to get a
vehicle or a cart and of horse and carriage up

(26:14):
the hills, so they made it zigzag that way. But
I knew that my little legs was going to run
down that mountain. And I got down the mountain, I
would keep looking and I kept looking behind me and
making sure that there was nothing coming. And I remember
getting to the bottom of the hill and noticing that

(26:36):
I had peed all over myself, which is embarrassing, but
oh well, I'd peed all over myself and didn't even
notice it at the time. That's how scared that I was.
I remember thinking sitting there at the bottom of the
hill and thinking, well, what am I going to do?
I can't go home. I'm worse off than I was

(26:58):
before I left the kids, and I can't go home
right now and let them see me this way. So
I sat there and I forced myself to put a
straight face on for my kids, and forced myself to
just be the bravest that I'd ever be in and
strongest that I'd ever be in, and go in that

(27:19):
house like there was nothing wrong with me, set myself
down at the computer and start researching, and then wait
till night time to go outside and cry. When I
finally started researching, I kind of figured out that what
I've seen was a sasquatch, and I'd got some recorders,

(27:42):
and I'd put some recorders up, and I had got
some very weird house and I put them on the internet,
and a team from Wild and Weird West Virginia had
reached out to me, and which is the team that
I'm associated with right now. They're pretty awesome. They've helped
me through this. But they reached out to me and

(28:05):
they asked if they could come and do an investigation.
And when they came down, they actually got one of
the best prints that I've ever seen on TV on
anything out of the Holler, and they actually had it
sent be God rest his soul before Jeff Mildron had passed.

(28:28):
They got the print authenticated by Jeff Mildron and the
other casts that I've taken from the Holler and the
surrounding area, Cliff Berrettman has also looked at and they
all have authenticated them. I've started to do my research
after this, and you know, it was very scary, and

(28:50):
you know, I was in the Marine Corps, and you know,
they taught us that when we have to face our
fears sometimes to get over our fears and.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
We have to do what we got to do to
do we have to do so, you.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Know, instead of turning away and fearing this, just like
my grandma and Grandpa always did, they never turned away
from anything. They hit things straight on and they figured
out what was going on. That's how all the mountain
folk get it back. This way, you don't have the choice.
You have to learn to live with this stuff. And
that's exactly what I did. So I started researching this stuff.

(29:29):
After my team had come and got the footprint, I'd
got me some equipment and so to date, I've got
about twenty some casts and I've got some amazing, amazing evidence.
I've got actually got a tree twist, not a tree twist,
a weave that they have done. And they had took

(29:52):
a tree limb that's about forty feet up and swirled
it around a tree. And the tree had like a
wife the crotch branch with it, and they had took
that branch, poled it around the tree and twisted it
and twisted it into these each intricate little weaves until
it was tied around the big part of the tree,

(30:13):
the trunk of the tree. I've got so much things
that they've done. And you know what the team from
Wilden we're West Virginia, the Collective has done for me
was they actually it came down there and they made
me go with them, and because at first I didn't
want to, and he was like, well, Beth, what did

(30:33):
it do to you? I said, it looked at me,
you know, and he said, is that all it did?
I said yes, and he said, well, was watching you.
It was curious. You know, it might have knew your family,
knew you for generations and wondered why you were crying.
These things typically are very curious, so maybe that's what
it was. And that's that's one of the things that

(30:55):
helped me to do what I do right now, because
I would have never been able to do it. Some
people would turn away and never go into the woods again,
and some people will run head on figuring this stuff out.
And that's exactly what I did. I ran head on
to figure this out. They've actually came down and did
quite a few investigations and have caught many orbs flying

(31:18):
through the Holler. Of all colors, I get orbs flying.
Actually the other day I got an orb that flew
through my house and it was a yellowish green color
and it was really beautiful. It was kind of scary
at first. You know, every time that you see one
of those is scary. Usually you see him from a distance.
This one was the closest that it's ever got to me,

(31:39):
which was about three foot beside me when I was walking.
It flew beside me and then disappeared into the wall.
The one before, my son was laying in bed and
he come into the my room and he said, mom,
can I lay with you? And I said yeah, honey,
and I had my head turned and he goes, mom,
what is that that just flew through the bedroom into

(32:01):
the bathroom into the wall, and he said, Mommy, it
was a bright light. It was like a flashlight light,
but it didn't have a flashlight on the bottom part,
and it just flew through the house. And then the
next couple of nights I seen him.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Also.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I have a friend that's name's Danny, and he actually
camped up. I don't know if he wanted me to
give his last name, but you know, he heard about
what was going on here and he camped in the holler.
And he says that one of these beings actually peecked
in at the tent at him, and he wiped his

(32:35):
eyes to see what it was, and when he looked
back up, it was gone. So there's so many different
things that happen here, like from ghosts to the paranormal
to the Sasquatch people. It's a very amazing and unusual place.
It's almost like the Little Skinwalker Ranch of West Virginia.

(32:57):
To be honest, I don't remember my brother telling me
a ghost story that he was in the holler and
he had actually seen this black figure that had a
cowboy hat standing beside of a tree. So it's not
just Sasquatch, you know, there's a lot going on here. Now,

(33:19):
going back to Sasquatch, my brother actually was riding up
the haller on the four wheeler with my niece and
he had a weapon on his hip, and out of
the tree line comes a little stone and it hits
him right on his weapon, right on his holster, and

(33:40):
it falls back down. And my niece saw it coming
and she was like, well, what was that? And he
goes what it looked like? She said, a stone just
came from the woodline and hit right there on your weapon. Dad.
So like, there's so many things that happen here, and
I hope I'm not forgetting anything. Would you like me

(34:01):
to talk about some of the structures that I find.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Please do?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And while I've been researching here the last what seven years,
seven eight years, nine years, I don't even know if
I've lost count. I started to find these structures that
they're doing. And you know, a lot of people talks
about the breaks. A lot of those breaks can be
contributed to snow load on trees. And then there's a

(34:32):
lot of them that don't make any sense, that are
twisted and pointed in certain directions that are just crazy
out of the way. And I've noticed that some of
these breaks that are like that are pointed to water sources.
And the higher the break, the bigger the water source,
the lower the break seems like the littler the water source,

(34:53):
which is really crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
There are the.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Exes that I'm finding, and you know, some of that
I contribute to, just like trees falling down, but when
they're put in the tree in oddly shaped ways that
I'm sitting there trying to figure this out and there's
no way possible that this limb could have weaved in
between these two to make a perfect x like that

(35:18):
kind of stuff like you know, I'm finding. And then
they'll do these intricate little I don't even know why
they do them, but they'll put these sticks up against
a tree and not sticks, actually limb, sorry, these big
limbs up against one side of a tree. And sometimes

(35:41):
they'll put these sticks big sticks upside the tree and
it almost looks like a half teepee with a bunch
of sticks on them. And then sometimes they'll lay rocks
on top of these. And then I'm finding the teepee structures,
which is these like fifteen to twenty fourteen twenty foot

(36:03):
tall tree skinny trees. And then they'll take these other
skinny trees that are broke that they've carried from somewhere,
and they'll actually in these the crotch of the skinny tree.
It's always a really skinny tree with like a crotch
notch in it, and they'll put these trees all around
it and up in it and make a perfect teepee.

(36:27):
And they also will do these structures that are absolutely beautiful.
They'll wait, they'll either I don't think they push they
I don't think they could push a tree that big down.
But when these gigantic trees will fall and do you
know how, like the root system will pull up the
dirt and leave this exposed hole. What I've been finding

(36:49):
that they're doing is they'll take big, big, big, huge
sticks and they'll cover from the ground to the root
to leave that big hole exposed. And then they'll put
like leaves and all this other stuff on top of
the limbs to make like a blind. More structures, they do,
all kinds of structures. I find sticks in the ground

(37:12):
in the hot spots. The way that I always know
that I'm in a hot spot is if people don't
know what a hot spot is, it's an area that.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
It's not just they're passing through.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's that they are actually active in all most of
the time and through the summer. And when I go
into these hot spots, I find that there are sticks
that are stuck in the ground, shoved really really hard
in the ground. And these aren't just like these little
small sticks. These are big sticks. Now, some of them

(37:44):
are small, but most of them are, you know, really crazy.
And I also found it was weird the other day.
I just found this. They had took a pulled a
tree out of the ground, and it wasn't a really
big tree, but they had put it upside down in

(38:05):
another tree, just hanging up in there. So I thought
that that was really cool that they did it in
the hotspot. You know, I've learned how to go in
the woods and kind of interact with them. They'll let
me go to a certain point I've been chased out before,

(38:26):
and that wasn't a fun story, and I'll start that
story right now. I had found I had went down
in this huge ravine. I had followed the footprints at
the top of the hill and seen that it led
down into this ravine, and the footprints that I saw
up there weren't really castable. So I knew that at

(38:46):
the bottom of this ravine there was a stream, and
if I got to the bottom of that, I could
possibly find a footprint on the bottom of that bottom
of the ravine by the stream. So when I got
down there, I seen a juvenile foot print. And this
was in November. It was a warm day on November,
so it was warm enough to where you stepped in

(39:07):
it and would leave a footprint. I mean, it wasn't
a really cold day. I had walked for about I
can't I don't even know if We're a mile down
through there, following that little stream and come across a footprint,
and it was the most perfect footprint that I ever
seen in my life. It's actually on my page, if
anybody knows my page, which is Sasquatching Paranormal in Wineberry.

(39:31):
But anyways, the footprint that I had found was amazing,
and so I knew that I had to get back
up that hill and get my bag of plaster and
get back down there before it got dark, because it
was starting to get dark. And I don't like to
be in the woods with them when it gets dark,
because even though that they don't hurt me in the daytime,
it just is more scary at night. And so when

(39:54):
I got down there and I poured the plaster into
the footprint, it was already it was I almost couldn't
see my hands, you know, in front of my face,
and so I turned my flashlight on. I stepped up
through the heel, and as soon as I got pretty
fars away from that print, a tree comes crashing onto

(40:17):
my cast, and then two whoops on top of the mountain,
and who two tree knocks on the other side. And
as I walked back up that mountain, I could hear
footprints on both sides of me, crushing the leafs and stuff,
and I would get little things through at me. But
every time I would try to shine a flash like

(40:38):
that way, I couldn't see nothing, and then it would
make him angrier and I would get more stuff thrown
at me. It's just been a crazy adventure doing this,
and it's been an amazing adventure doing this. They've taught
me so much just by their tree language, by the
things that they're doing in the woods. I've got an

(41:00):
amazing and amazing audio of them. It sounds like they're
speaking backwards and it sounds like they It's so weird
because it almost sounds.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Like like they're doing this and it.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Sounds really crazy like they're I don't know, it's it's
on my page. And also I've got the screams like
they it sounds like it was almost a terf war,
like the monkey sounds and the screaming and this and that,
and oh, I wanted to touch on one more thing
that I don't think that from what I've gathered, the
as smart as they are, they're notedge. I get a

(41:35):
pithecus at all. These beings are beings. They are a
type of people that I don't care what anybody says.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
The research that I have found they are a people.
They're way too smart.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
These I have found, I mean, even on my audio,
the language, what you have to be advanced to have
a language that I've even heard. I heard on one
of my recordings. It almost sounded like broken English, like,
so these beings are by far just gigantopithec. It's just

(42:12):
a big, wild, giant monkey. They're very smart.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Beth.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Do you think the fact that you've got them living
on and around your property has had any negative effects
on us an investigator? Or has it all been positive?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
I mean, it's all in how you treat them. I think.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
If you have it's just like people. If you have
respect for people, they're going to treat you good. If
you disrespect them, or if you find that you're doing
something that they don't like, you need to stop immediately.
Like that's what I've found out. There's, like I said,
when I disrespected them by walking down there on their
their turf and trying to get that footprint, they showed

(42:55):
me real quick that that's not something that they like.
There's just certain things that you have to be aware
of and when you're doing this. And I don't want
to scare anybody because nature is amazing and they're not
out there to tear people apart. I don't think, because
I've lived here all my life and never heard of
anybody disappearing or being tore apart by something we couldn't

(43:15):
figure out, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Oh, sure, there's so much faster than we are. There's
so much stronger than we are. They know the woods
like the back of their hand. Yeah, if you get
out of the woods in one piece, it's because they
wanted you to make it out.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
So you're right, there's something else.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I don't think negatively of them, you know. I honestly
feel like that day that I had my sighting, he
was very curious and I was up there doing something
that was not of the normal that we usually do
up there, and he was just curious and wanted to

(43:58):
check me out. And that's one of the reasons that
I think that he was standing up there and he
was just like rocking, just rocking back and forth with
that big hand on the tree.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Did you get the impression that by you kind of
crossing that boundary is set your relationship with them back
a few notches or was it business as usual?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
It did.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Now there's two clans that I'm working with. I'm working
with the clan on my property, which they've probably been
there forever and ever, and the clan that done that
was about about three miles four miles away, And I
think that they're separate clans because when I listen to
my audio recorder, I can always tell how many is

(44:43):
it any clan by the tree knocks. They will tree they
don't mind you get an audio, but don't they'll leave
for days and days if you try to get visual.
I'd stay away from the visual anymore. But anyways, the
tree knocks, I can hear one tree knock further than
the other. Treeknock for them, the other treeknock for them
the other treeck, which tells me kind of how many's there?

(45:04):
And in my area, I'm getting that there's three, and
it goes along with the footprints that I'm finding two
in the holler of a job. He was eighteen inches
his foot was and then the next one was fifteen
and the next one was seven.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
So there's three up here in the holler. But I'm
not like.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
There's I think there's like twelve up there at that
place that I don't want to say it because it's
my research area. But the tree knocks that I heard there,
it's a bigger clan and they I've been working with
them for a few years, but they don't know me
like the ones that live on my property. I don't
think they're the same. I don't even know if it's

(45:46):
it's the same species of them, you know, I'm not
sure yet. I'm still trying to work all that out.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Wow, you sure do have a lot of them living
around you talk about a bird's nest on the ground.
All the years that you've note about them, you've been
out there obviously doing things. When you think about all
the things that you've done that I guess at least
in some way crossed them, flew in the face of
what they found acceptable. What do you think you would

(46:16):
have caught the most blowback for out of all those
things you've done.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Oh, walking down there and casting that print, that was
a no no. And they were I'm telling you, I've
got They didn't try to hurt me when they they
were throwing things at me, because it was moss and
mud and like little. They didn't throw a rock at me,
and I'm very thankful for that. But it was like
clumps of moss and clumps of mud and like that.

(46:42):
You can tell that they were really mad at me.
But then I started gifting them and bringing them apples,
and you know, and I don't do it frequently. I
don't want to get them to pandit to where they
come to my house because I already got the other
ones here. But I you know, would give them. I
would give them stones. They absolutely love stones, marbles, apples, and.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
They you know.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I wish that I could get them as close as
the ones down here at the holler, you know. And
I mean I can get it to where if I'm
there at night time, I can hear them walking on
the tree line. But that's because I don't bring a camera.
I don't try to record them, you know, in the daytime,
when I'm walking around showing how I'll put my recorder up,
or showing the places that I put it, or their structures,

(47:33):
that's different, you know. It's like it's their time. At
night time, that's their time, and so I don't try
to go out there and record them at night or
you know, try to disrespect them in that way. So
they will come to the tree line, and I'll hear
them walking back and forth, and sometimes you'll hear a
treeknock or a whoop or this or that, so I

(47:54):
know that they're there. Same with the holler, it's and
it's on and off. It's not always it's like the
and the fall time is usually like this time right
here and a little earlier is the best time that
you'll catch them around it slows down in the wintertime.
I don't my research has told me, and I know

(48:15):
a lot of researchers will disagree with me, but my
research says, because I'm still getting audio and them in
the wintertime, that they do not leave. They will go
further back up into the mountains when the trees, I
mean when the leaves will fall off the trees. But
my research has shown me that they they will. Like
I found the same footprint in a fifty mile radius,

(48:37):
I'm thinking it's the same. It looks exactly the same,
so it might be the same. I'm not saying one
hundred percent because you know, as researchers, we can't we
don't have a being to look at or you know,
nothing like that. So everything that I'm saying right now
is pure speculation. You know, I'm going to say that
one hundred percent not my sighting. My sighting was real,
but I speculate that they do this, and I speculate

(49:00):
that they do that they are one hundred percent real.
But as a researcher, I am humbled enough to know
that I still don't know a lot about them, even
though I've been doing this for years.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Well, it's admirable that you can admit that. Yeah, as
you know, there are a lot of people out there
who consider themselves to be experts on these guys, but
when it boils down to it, there are no experts.
So speculation is a big part of it because of that.
It really is. Do you think the sasquatch interactions you've
had and continue to have over the years might be

(49:33):
related somehow to the haunted house you lived in when
you were growing up? I mean a lot of people
think sasquatch or spiritual beings after all.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You know what, that's an absolutely great question. The land
that I live on, it has something. It has to
have something to do with the land that I live on.
You know, when the team came down, they did an
investigation that they had the what was the name of
that device? Geiger counter and these other things that read

(50:05):
radiation I mean off the charts, and there's other things
here we just you know, can't see them. You can
feel them, but you can't see them half the time.
This is just a very spiritual place. So I think
that this place draws things here, just like other hot
spots all over the world. I think it's part of

(50:27):
the land that are bringing those there. It's exactly what
I think. It's bringing all of it there, and that's
why the spiritual that's why you see more spirits or
that's why you see more. You know, this sighting, that's
sighting because that land is charged. It's a hotspot. It's
a real hot spot. They call it so and I

(50:50):
can't remember the name of it right off.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, sure sounds like it is a real hot spot
for all sorts of paranormal activity. It really makes you
wonder what's going on behind all that to cause it.
It really does. When you were at that spring that
day in the holler with your grandfather and noticed that
he was getting nervous, did you ever experience or notice
anything that might have been behind why he got so

(51:15):
anxious before he actually told you it was time to go.
I know, after he told you it was time to go,
and to go carefully, you'd notice the sound up the hill.
But before he told you it was time to go,
did you notice anything off?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
You know, we have bear up the holler two and
you know that's a predator. And in my little mind
I felt like that maybe it was a bear or
you know, I didn't know, maybe it was a panther
or you know, things like that. But I kept watching

(51:49):
him as and you know, I was playing with the
salamanders because in the spring right there, as they were
gathering water, and it would run down and trickle down
from the spring. Under them rocks were salamon. So I
was grabbing the salamanders and putting them in my little
bucket and playing with him, and I kept watching Pop'll
look up on the hillside and I noticed that he
had put his buckets down and he didn't even carry

(52:10):
the water home. So I knew something was wrong, but
I really I didn't know. I thought it was a bear.
And I kept hearing something on the hillside as it
was going with us, and it followed us all the
way home.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
It must have been awfully intense, it really must have been.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I wanted to run so bad.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I could remember feeling like that, you know, how mad
would they be at me, really if I just took
off run And because they kept repeating themselves, do not run,
do not run, And my whole as I seen that
we were getting closer to the house. I just kept thinking,
I'm going to run. They can get mad at me later.
I'm going to run, and thank goodness that I didn't.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, I definitely they knew what they were talking about.
I'm glad they told you that. I just asked you
about the possibility of sasquatch being spiritual beings. When your
grandmother had that encounter at the spring that day, you said,
some really strange things happened. With that in mind, how
sure are you that the sasquatch on your property were
responsible for those strange things happening, The strange breezes and

(53:13):
everything that were just specific to her location.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You know, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I know that this place is unusual, so I can't
tell you if it was spirits. But she said that
the music was like almost angelic, like the sound of
singing was almost like something was. The wind was swirling
around them, blowing their hair everywhere, the leafs everywhere, but
outside of that little pine thicket in that little round area,

(53:45):
because the spring was it was almost if you look,
the pines were like around you know, inside of the
spring area. It was like the pines how they cut
them around the spring. It was almost like in a circle.
So the pine trees in everything inside of these pine
trees was swirling around and blowing everywhere.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
But when you.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Looked outside of that, because when you go in, it's
almost like a little entrance way inside of the spring.
You could walk inside of it and then you're inside
the pines. Walk outside of it and it's almost like
you're walking into another world. But outside of the pines,
nothing was happening. And I also caught on my game camera,
which is on my page, what looks like an angel

(54:30):
in the graveyard. And I didn't even tell that story. Wow, yeah,
so would you like to hear that one?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I sure would.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
My grandmother, God bless her soul, but before she died,
she would always tell us that she's seen her angel,
and her guardian angel was above her all the time.
And I set a game camera in my graveyard, my
family plot, my family cemetery, and caught what looks like
an angel above her grave, and that's on my page.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Also, Wow, that's need. That's really neat. A good job
catching that on film.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I'm just very determined to figure out what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Well, there's a lot to figure out. It sounds like
you're working a way through it. It's just going to
take time.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Yeah, and I've got like so much more evidence.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I've just you know, I'm not the kind of trying
to brag or try to try to tell this, try
to tell about you know, what I'm doing, isn't It's
for me and for them mostly to figure this out.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
And you know, when I come on.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Podcasts, I like to to try to educate people on
what they are, because I know one hundred percent they're
not just Jack can'tapithe is a big giant, stupid ape.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
So one of the reasons that I come on here
is to to educate people that they are a people
and that you know, just as long as as you
respect them, they'll usually leave you alone. There's in cases
that some go rogue and some aren't that nice, but
for the most part, they're just more curious.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Well, thank goodness for that. You invest to eat sasquatch, Beth.
But it sounds to me like you might feel like
a captive in your own home at times due to
them being around. Is that accurate because it sounds to
me like you're not comfy heading into your woods after dark.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, it's not the fact that I'm not comfortable. It's
more that it's their area. Like if I had to
go into the woods with a flashlight, I would. And
you know, I've lived on this piece of land my
whole life, so I've kind of gotten used to it.
It's almost get You can almost get used to anything,

(56:47):
you know, like if you see it on around it,
you can get used to it.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
So it's almost like I've gotten used to.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Some of the things that happen, Like when I hear
a wood knock, I go, oh, there's a wood knock,
or you know, oh there's a whistle, or oh, listen,
you know. And I've even got them on my audio recorder.
They chattered their teeth, they do this water swish sound,
They beat their chest, they click their mouths, they pop
their mouths, they click rocks together. I mean, they do

(57:18):
a bunch of different things. There's a tribe over there
in Africa that the way that they sound reminds me
of the way that they will click and pop their
mouths when they talk.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I know the tribe you're talking about. I can't remember
the name of the tribe, but I know exactly what
you're talking about with that clicking and popping sounds.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, and they do that. That's what they do. That's
one of the things that well, the ones around here
do well.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
That's amazing, Beth. If you had to describe your relationship
with the Sasquatch and your property, what would you say
about it.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
They are my neighbors. They are my tree neighbors. It's
just like if you had a neighbor that wants to
be left alone. They're just a neighbor. That's how they
are there. And you know what, like sometimes they'll well,
I'll give them and they'll gift me back. And the
coolest thing they gave me a piece of chirt What

(58:14):
is that called chirt nodule? Is that what they're called?
Because I and it's funny because I gave them like
a arrowhead that I got from like a gift shop,
and I guess it was the wrong material, and then
I get like a piece of chirt nodule, which you know,
is what the ancient people would make the stuff with.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Think about all the things they've got that they found
in various places that they're hanging on to you. They
probably don't give up all the good stuff. Just imagine
all the things they've collected over the years and out
of the way places that we just don't even go exactly.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
They gave me. I've got quartz feathers.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I just had a tree. I don't know if you got.
I hope you picked that up on there. It was
a treeck feathers that got me off track.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Guys, well, I can understand why in the answer your question,
I didn't hear it. But when I mastered the audio,
we'll see if I can't amplify it. If it does
show up.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Well that would be great.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
And I set out here because I was I was
hoping that maybe we would hear a whoop. Well, as
it's quieter because my kids are in there, but I
was hopeful that we would hear a whoop, or you know,
get some tree ocks or some good stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Well, thanks for trying to set it up so we
might hear something like that. But just being able to
hear you talk about your experiences with them, that's more
than good enough. Right there, really interesting stuff. Before we
get out of here, would you like to take an
opportunity to promote Wild and Weird West Virginia again one
last time as well as your page?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yes, and would you care if I told the shows
that I was on.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
No, that's fine, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
My page is called Sasquatch and Paranormal in Wineberry. On
my page there are all the casts that I've taken.
There are struck tree structures, tree language, there's the weaves
just to I've got a couple of pictures that I
think are of the Sasquatch people. Of course they blurry
who love squatches because you can't really get a good picture.

(01:00:25):
And that was early on when I first started doing
my research. I don't do that now. I don't try
to get their pictures because I feel like it's disrespecting them.
I also have pictures of orbs and of UFOs and
all the other crazy things that happen here in the Holler.
If you go on Wild and Weird West Virginia, you
can look up do we find evidence a big Foot

(01:00:47):
in West Virginia. That's one of the ones that I'm
on on small town Monsters, what's in them their hills
or woods? Wild and Weird West Virginia also has Paranormal Horizons,
which every one of their episodes is very good. But
the three that I'm on is the Sasquatch Mountain of Madness,

(01:01:09):
Sasquatch Unleashed and Mystery Lights and Sasquatch Holler. I did
Cryptid Quest Bigfoot Hollers in West Virginia and on Bigfoot
Society Crying Alone, Bigfoot appeared, and I'm telling you, like,
shout out to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Wild and Weird West Virginia. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
They and the collective team for for they got me
into this and they really helped me too, you know,
and showed me that it's more about collecting data and
you know, the speculation you can you can pick up
whatever you want, but but until you got that data,
you've really got to search for it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, normally doesn't jump into your lap. And that sounds
like they did get you into it, but now you're
in neck deep. It's obvious that you love doing this.
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Yeah, they're you know, like I can sit sometimes and
I can see their eye shines just out in the treeline.
So it makes it really interesting. And you know, if
I was to try to go into the woods, they
would back up, like it isn't something that they're going
to try to attack me if I walked into the
woods if they don't like it, But they wouldn't. I
don't think they would try to hurt me. I was

(01:02:21):
just disrespecting them by casting their print, I think right
there in front of them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Well, it sounds to me like, is you went along
in this growth process. There were some bumps in the
road on both sides where you both crossed certain barriers
and borders. But sounds like both sides have things pretty
much ironed out now. So that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah. Yeah, they're just my big guardian neighbors.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, that's a good way to sum it up. If
anyone listening to had a sasquatch experience in West Virginia
would like to report it to you at Wild and
Weird West Virginia back, what's the best way for them
to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
You go on Wild and Weird West Virginia on their
page and you can contact Joe Purdue or Ron liam
and there's actually a place on there that you can
go and put your encounters in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Well, that makes it really easy. And speaking of easy,
I'm going to post a link to that page. I'll
post a link to your personal page, and anyone listening
if you want to find those links, Yeah, just go
to the description for tonight's show, and you'll find them.
But having said that, I can't thank you enough for
coming on and sharing all these experiences with this Beth.
I really do appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Oh you're welcome. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Oh you're welcome. It's been fun. Please remember too, if
I can ever help you out in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Just let me know, all right. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
like to be a guest on the show, please go
to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd
love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have a
great night.