September 26, 2025 • 62 mins
Tonight’s guest, Gene Brock, is a Sasquatch investigator who has a college degree in Anthropology and Archaeology. Gene chose to major in Anthropology and minor in Archaeology because of an experience he had, when he was a kid, involving two Sasquatch. You see, Gene was deer hunting, at the time, with his dad when the encounter happened. Some people would have been frightened out of the woods, for good, after experiencing what happened to Gene that day, but Gene still goes into the woods. A lot of the time, when he’s in the woods, he’s seeking out encounters with Sasquatch. Gene has a lot of interesting things to share. We hope you’ll tune into tonight’s show, so you can listen to him do that.
If you’d like to share your Sasquatch experience with Gene, please visit the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research Facebook Page, which can be found at…
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If you don’t have a Facebook account, you can also reach Gene at (859) 358-7438. He’d love to hear from you.
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My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience
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If you’d like to share your Sasquatch experience with Gene, please visit the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research Facebook Page, which can be found at…
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If you don’t have a Facebook account, you can also reach Gene at (859) 358-7438. He’d love to hear from you.
If you’ve had a Sasquatch sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. I’d love to hear from you.
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My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting
Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134
Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2
My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Gene Brock. I'm an anthropologist. I have
a degree in anthropology and archaeology, as well as a
minor in Appalatian studies and a broadcasting degree. My first
foray into the world of Sasquatch happened when I was
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about seven to eight years old. My father was a
long haul truck driver and he was on the road
all the time, and one morning he come back and
he was telling us a story. He had took a
load of something to Florida was coming back with a
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load of watermelons, and they were on Interstate seventy five.
There is a large mountain between Kentucky and Tennessee that
the border runs across and is called Jellico Mountain. And
there was a gentleman that was behind my father in
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another semi truck, and he got on the radio talking
about how something had just ran behind my father's truck,
and he was telling the oncoming side of the interstate
to watch out for that thing that was running across
the interstate. Well, they got to riding him so bad
because he said that he thought it was a bigfoot,
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and they got to riding him so bad that he
eventually just turned off his radio and quit talking to anybody. Well,
going down the hill, he managed to pass my father
and then he pulled into the truck stop that was
at the bottom of the hill, and my father pulled
in behind him and got out and was talking to
the guy, and my dad said that the guy was
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still visibly shaking and he was pale. My dad asked him,
he said, buddy, are you sure it wasn't a bear,
because there are black bear in that area. And the
gentleman told my dad he said, I grew up in Asheville,
North Carolina. I know what a bear looks like, and
a bear does not cross the interstate in three steps
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on two legs. So that was my first foray into
the world of sasquatch. Matter of fact, my dad was
the one that told me that the natives called it sasquatch.
So that was where my fascination began. Now, mind you,
in my mind, bigfoot is a single creature, ate foot tall,
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and even though this happened in Kentucky. I still kind
of assumed that he we lived on the West coast
because that's where the Patterson Gilman film and everything was
video app So fast forward until I'm about thirteen, fourteen
years old, and we are deer hunting on a reclaimed
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coal mine belonged to Peabody Coal Company, and we're in
Meulenberg County. That's where the John Prime song come from.
But at this time, Peabody Coal Company was sixty two
thousand acres of land that nobody did anything on. Peabody
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would go out there every few years or something and
scratch around in the dirt just to keep all their
permits and everything active. But it was basically strip mined.
It was laid out, there were large fields, some of
the fields were thirty forty acres, and then surrounding them
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was what we called spoil banks. But it was basically
the tailings the spoils of where they scraped up the
dirt and just piled it up. So it is November,
I think it was the third weekend of November, and
I'm standing in this field. I'm facing basically the northwest.
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My father had went down a original holler that had
never been mined to the west of me, and he
had been gone about an hour or so. It was
about three point thirty four o'clock, maybe four thirty something
like that in the afternoon. It was still light, but
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it was of an evening, and I heard my father shut.
Now I had hunted with my father my whole life,
so I knew what his gun sounded like, and I
knew it was him. But the thing that was noticeable
was my father's shot three times. Now, there is a
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distress signal that hunters us, and that is three rapid shots.
But that was not what my father done. It was deliberate,
aimed shots. It was bang, bang, bang. And so what
was ironic about that is my father was the type
of hunter that he pulled the trigger one time and
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the deer was down. There was no follow up shot,
very rarely. So I eased over to the mouth of
the holler so I could see down in it. And
this holler was pretty much wide open. The stige was
hardwoods all the way down through it. The only place
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that there was any brush in it was at the
very bottom of the ravine where a wet weather creek
would run. So there was vegetation and it was grown
up in that area. So I went over there to
look to see if I seen any deer running toward
me and maybe I would get a shot. Well, I
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was standing there and it was pretty well silent. Didn't
see no deer, but I heard talking and it was
distinct vocal rhythm, safety and type of sentences, a rhythm,
and you could tell that it was two people conveying
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back and forth. Couldn't make out what they were saying
by no means because it was just on the edge
of my hearing, but it was plain that it was
two people carrying on a conversation. So I thought, Okay,
my dad has killed a deer and there's somebody else
down there he's talking to. So I decided I would
ease down the haller. So I started working my way
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down the haller. As i'm going down, I'm also working
my way to the bottom of the ravine, so I'm
kind of traversing at a angle down the haller, And
like I said, you could see forever down through there.
And I got about maybe a couple of hundred yards
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down the haller, and was about fifty or sixty yards
or something like that from where the brush was in
the bottom of the holler, And like I said, it
was quiet, didn't hear anything. Don't confuse that with people
saying that the woods went silent when they seen their sasquatch.
There just wasn't no noise. My father had just been
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down there shooting a gun. There wasn't nothing going on
in the woods. But all at once, two animals charged
out of the brush. I don't think they were charging
at me. I think I just happened to be in
the way that they were running. The reason I talk
about the fact that it was silent was because I
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did not hear them running. Now, they could have easily
have been in the rocky creek bottom and not making
any noise, but I did not hear them. Nonetheless, so
these animals come out of the brush, and this is
not your typical sasquatch side. They were not on two legs,
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they were not eight foot tall. What they were doing
was what I now know and can describe as knuckle walking.
Their butts were lower than their shoulders, their hips, their
hip bone went upwards to the kneecap and then went
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back down, kind of picture like the way a hyena
looks when They're squatted, but with the knees facing upwards
and the bottom leg bone facing down in a stance
like a grade ape would do. It wasn't wasn't true
knuckle walking, but that's the best way to describe it.
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These animals were about three and a half to four
feet tall at the shoulder, so I suspect when they
stood up, they were probably five to six feet tall.
They were covered with reddish brown hair that was three
to four inches long. They had no snout on them.
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The face was flat. I did not focus on or
I did not notice details. I did notice that there
was no ears on them. I had no idea what
these animals were. Now in my thirteen fourteen year old mind,
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all I knew was this was something I didn't know
what it was, and I needed to shoot it. So
I yanked my gun up and I fired at him.
I fired a total of three times. I don't know
if I fired two shots first or one shot, but
I didn't even name my gun at him. I just
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pointed it toward them and pulled the trigger. And when
I did this, there was a huge noise behind me
that scared me to death because I thought I remember
thinking in my head. They've got me surrounded. So I
spun around to see what it was, and it was
a large squirrel going up a hickory tree that was
about three foot from my hip. Why the squirrel did
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not run when I first got to that point, I
cannot tell you, but he made a enough noise it
sounded like a bulldozer coming through the woods. So when
I realized what that was, I spun back around to
defend myself from the danger I knew was coming. And
these animals had already crossed back across the creek bed
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and were halfway up the other side of the haller
going to the top. And then I discharged my weapon
again at them. Like I said, I shot three times.
I don't know if it was two before the squirrel
or two after the squirrel, but I never hit them.
So at that point I decided that my dad could
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deal with his own deer, and I was going back
up to the field. And you know, even though I
was young, and even though I felt compelled to discharge
my weapon, I never really felt in danger, and I
really wasn't freaked out because I did go back to
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the top of the hill where the field was open
and I could see very well, and I finished out
my evening hunt until it was dark and I went
back to camp. Now, when I got to camp, I
met up with my dad ad and he did not
have a deer, and what he had seen was these
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same things, and he shot at them as well and
never touched touched them at all. When I seen them,
they were running. When my dad saw them, they were
just walking through the woods, so he got a slower
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look at them, but it was at a greater distance,
and his description of them was basically the same thing
as mine that I had realized in my encounter. Now,
this is this is where it gets a little maybe
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not strange, but this is one key thing. When those
animals come out of the brush at me and they
realized I was there, because I don't think they were
charging at me. I think I was just in their way.
But when they come out of the brush and it
was almost like they realized I was there, they started
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chattering back and forth to each other. Now it was
not the Sapian rhythm that I had heard earlier. It
was more like what you would hear chimpanzees doing, like
if you were traversing through the jungle and you come
up on a group of chimpanzees and started them, they
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would start their squawking and screaming. That was more what
it was like. Now. I asked my father who he
was talking to, and he said that there was nobody
else in the hawk. So the only thing that I
can feasibly come up with was after my father shot
at these amps animals and they got away from him,
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they were once again chattering back and forth to each other,
but in a more calm fashion. When they saw me
and I was so close to them, they were startled
and then began talking in a more chimpanzee type rhythm.
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I know that based on the Sierra Sounds, it has
been recorded both ways, and so I'm comfortable with saying that,
But that what my father saw and what I saw
were the exact same creatures. There was nobody else in
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the holler except for me and him and these two animals,
and me and my dad never said a word while
we were in the holler, So the only thing feasible
that I heard as far as the talking sequence was them. Now,
could there have been more there? Were they just talking
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to each other because I startled them? Or were they
yelling for mom and Dad that I did not see
and my father did not see. That is one thing
that does still intrigue me to this day, maybe makes
me a little nervous because if there was a eight
foot tall big foot standing nearby, I never laid eyes
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on it. But the whole event took just a matter
of seconds. They were so fast. I've never seen anything
move through the woods that quick. So all of this
we kind of played it off amongst ourselves because there
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was a group of us down there that have hunted
there for years, and we still hunt there. As a
matter of fact, the only time I've ever stepped foot
back in that holler was just about two years ago.
When that was because there were some other hunters there
and I didn't want to ruin their hunt, so I
took a detour and actually went through that holler with
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my son, and I told him where it all happened.
But we kind of played it off like these were
some sort of weird canines of some sort. I think
we all knew differently because there were always things that
happened down there. There's a large coyote population, so hearing
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coyotes is not that unusual, but ever so often there
would be a larger, deeper sounding hal echo through the woods,
and of course that would set the coyotes off, and
then you couldn't tell anything else. I've been as close
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to an entire coyote pack yelping and yapping. I've been
as close to him as less than one hundred yards.
Another thing that always seemed to happen around there was
what I now know as tree knocks and rock clacking.
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We'd be walking through the woods and just all at
once you would hear, you know, for lack of a
better term, somebody smacking a tree with a baseball bat,
or you would hear rocks being banged together and the
tree with the baseball bat. We just kind of assumed
that there was a limb falling or something, even though
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it happened with pretty good regularity. The rock clacking we
always played off as well as a raccoon banging something together.
It was trying to eat or something to that effect.
But all of these things put together now it all
makes more sense. And if you go on the BFRO
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website where my encounter took place, there is at least
ten site reportings that I know of that are on
either the BFRO or some other distinguishable reporting sites. But
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all of this basically led me to getting an anthropology
degree when I went to school because I wanted to
study grade apes. Now, being in Kentucky, there's very few
grade ape jobs and I didn't want to work in
a zoo anyway, so I minored in archaeology and that's
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what I do now. Doing that enables me to be
in the woods a whole lot because we're on different projects,
and archaeology rarely happens in town, so lots of times
I will be in the middle of nowhere and I'm
always got my eyes open. There's been several things that
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have happened on archaeology digs. We were in Kentucky below
Cumberland Dam, and Cumberland is a large man made lake.
I believe it's got close to one hundred miles of
shoreline on it. But we were doing an archaeological project
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down below the dam, and it's fairly remote area where
it's at, and we were in a flat flood flame.
What they had done was they had went through and
they had scraped the topsail off with a bulldozer so
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we could study it. It was what we call a
Phase two project. Which means that we were working in
one spot the entire time we were there. We actually
had you know, test units dug out just like what
you'd see on TV down in them with our trials.
Working archaeology is not that glamorous. That happens very rarely.
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But anyway, I had one day was doing a surface
survey and I was walking around the edges of where
they had scraped the dirt up, and I noticed three
holes in the ground, and so I leaned down and
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I was looking at that because I couldn't figure out
what had made these three holes. And while I was
looking at that, I just kind of glanced to my
left and realized that I was looking at a footprint
in the mud. And the print was about when I
realized that, I immediately switched from archaeologist the bigfoot guy.
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And so I'm documenting the best I can. I don't
have any plaster to make a cast or anything, but
I'm documenting it the best I can. I've got my
tapes out, I've got my few of my archaeological do
dads out, my arrows and stuff pointing north and everything.
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And it is fifteen and a half inches And after
I felt like I had documented it the best I
could by taking photographs of it. I went to raise up,
and I put my hand on the ground, and when
I did, I noticed that I was raising up with
three fingers pointing on the ground. Not my whole hand
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or my fist, but three fingers, And so I thought, hmm,
And I took those three fingers and I reached over,
and it was in line with the three holes that
were in the mud beside the footprint. So I immediately
took measurements of that, and while they were much bigger
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than my fingers and about an inch and a half
longer than my fingers, to the bottom of the hole,
it was very plain to me that this creature, for
whatever reason, had knelt down at that spot, and then
when it raised back up, it put its three fingers
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on the ground, just like I had, a very humanistic movement.
But I'm getting a little ahead of myself. When I
was finishing my first round of college, when I got
the broadcasting degree, I tried to form a group that
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would approach bigfoot research in a very scientific matter, and
I found a few people that seemed to be of
that mindset, but they weren't as serious about it as
I was. They just immediately wanted to run through the
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woods and see what they could see. And that wasn't
what I was looking for because by this time I
was doing the archy or doing the anthropology portion of
my academic career, and so I was looking for people
who were like minded. And so it took a few years,
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but I finally formed the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research
in two thousand and two. And basically what we have
all of our members are either anthropologist or biologist or
have a scientific degree of some sort. There is one
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member of the group that does not, but the reason
this person is there is because they own a large
piece of land and have had at least three visual
sightings of these animals. So with the group that I
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have now, when we go out on a project, everything
is documented. It is recorded, regardless of if we see anything,
have any activity. All the details are collected because even
bad data is good data. So we record everything. We
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record dates, times, temperatures, weather conditions, any strange anomalies that
we encounter. Did we see deer in the area while
we're going to the location, etc. Just things like that.
So through the course of all this we have collected
various things. Nothing overly excited, to be honest with you,
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whenever I go out with the professionals, let's put it
that way. Now. That brings us to a point. About
four years ago, when my son was twelve, him and
his buddies, they were big on finding Bigfoot, and I
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know all the guys that are on finding Bigfoot. They
wanted to go out squatching. So I said, okay, I'll
take y'all out squatching. I just got to find a
good spot to go. Well, a woman had contacted me
about an area that is about five miles from my house,
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and I thought she said that they had got run
out of the woods by something screaming and throwing rocks
at it, and I thought, well, this is kind of crazy.
This is a popular area. People go there fishing, they
go there to hang out, kids go there to park
and have a good time. There's nothing out there. I
would be super surprised if there was. I actually went
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with the intentions that there is nothing here, but I
thought this would be a good place to take this
group of preteens that want to go out and yell
in the woods. So this area, it is around a
reservoir and like I said, it's it's very popular. But
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this occurred in February and it was the first full
moon of February. Now that's that's an important detail, so
remember that. So we go to this spot and this
this is a paved road that we park on. Granted
it's a dead end road, but it's a paved road.
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So I go to the end of it and I
turned the truck around and we just stopped in the
road because there's not going to be any traffic on it,
and if somebody comes down, we can move the truck.
It ain't no big deal. So it had been raining
heavily for two days, but it had finally broke and
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like like I said, the sun, the moon was full.
There was there was fog on the ground, none in
the air, but it was foggy across the water. But
I just I told guys. I got them out and
there was me and three twelve year olds, and I
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told them, I said, okay, guys, you all do whatever
you want to do. If you have questions about how
to do something, just ask and we'll talk about it
and we'll demonstrate it and we'll do it. I said,
But you all wanted to come and go squatching, so squatch.
So I just let them do what they wanted to do.
And they're having the best time. They've got their phones out,
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like they're making videos or talking on a podcast or something,
and they're recording on one phone. Then the other ones
are videotaping everything that they can, or at least recording everything.
And my son told me, well, they had done knocks,
and they had done yells and that sort of thing.
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And then my son told me he said, I'm going
to do my famous three shorts or two shorts and
along and I said okay, And he does these with
me all the time at that time. And so he
done two short calls. He went whoo whoo, and then
a long one wooo. And it wasn't three to five
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seconds after he did that. I'm standing there facing across
the water. Now, this where we're at, there's a sloop
that runs beside the road that we're at. We're at
the end of the reservoir, so it's the slough and
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it is approximately two hundred and fifty three hundred yards
on the other side of the water because the water
is at flood stage it had rained so much. But
he makes that sound and I'm standing there and I'm
just looking across the lake, just basically enjoying the night,
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and I look up, and I really don't know what
caused me to look up, but I look up and
I see a rock coming through the air that is
somewhere between the size of a large canalope and a basketball,
and it has come from the opposite side of the
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lake two fifty three hundred yards across or feet across.
I'm sorry, and so I'm watching this come through the
air and it lands ten or twenty yards from me
in the water. Now people have tried to argue with
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me that you heard a beaver slap its tail, because
when this rock hit the water, it went deep. You
know when you drop something in the water, you get
that boom sound, and it hit the water, it went deep,
it made that sound, and then water ranged back down
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on the surface of the lake. So when a beaver
smacks its tail on the water, it's just like you
walked out and smacked the swimming pool. You get that
smack sound, that type sound. So I can argue that
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it was not a beaver just based on the distinctiveness
of the two sounds. But on top of that, I
saw the rock coming through the air, so it's really
a minute point. So when this happens, and mind you,
I'm not prepared. When we go out. I'm very protective
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of my team. I always have a large Caliper firearm
with me because you know, we like to know that
we know these animals to some degree, but honestly, we
know very little about them. So I always have protection.
Now where we're at, I did not feel the need
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for that protection, and all I have is a small
Caliper pistol that I carry with me all the time.
So I immediately tell the guys, hey, get in the truck.
So they all jump in the truck. And I don't
know why I bothered because they've all got their heads
hung out the window. Looks like the clampets coming down
the road. But I'm watching to see what's going to
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happen next. And I hear what sounds like something come
into the water. Now it's not a splash, it's not
stomping around in the water. It just kind of sounds
like like a new floating by wood, almost silent, but
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you know something is moving through the water. So I've
got a fairly decent flashlight with me, and I'm shining
it all around, and like I said, the surface of
the lake it's falky because it is February and it's
been raining, so it's funky. The sky is clear, but
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on the surface of the water there's fog, so I'm
not seeing anything. I'm just getting a wall of fog.
And then it kind of goes silent again for a
few minutes, and I start hearing this clicking sound and
I can't pinpoint where it's coming from obviously, can't see anything.
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So it does this for five or ten minutes probably,
and then everything goes quiet and the encounter is basically over,
so we leave. So the next day I contacted Burbo
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fay off of finding Bigfoot. I think I sent him
a message or maybe a text message. I don't remember,
but anyway, I told him what happened, and I said,
have you ever encountered anything like this? And he said, yeah,
I've heard that twice. It was a large mail and
he was mad and he said, you were right to
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leave with the boys, but go back and I said, okay,
So now when a bear gets upset, it'll pop its jaw.
So that's kind of what I'm relating that noise too,
is that same type of motion or whatever. So we,
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like I said, it's five miles from my house to
this location. So we go back just about every other weekend,
just if we had ten minutes, we go out to
this spot. And we never got another sound that entire year.
Nothing not a howl, not a wooden knock, not a footprint, nothing.
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It's just dead. And so I'm thinking, Okay, this is
a one off encounter. Whatever happened. So fast forward to
the following February. Now, like I said earlier, it was
the first full moon of February, so on the lunar
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calendar it was the exact same date. But I had
told the guys that we were going back to the
same spot. Now we had actually our team member who
has the farm, had said that they had been hearing sounds.
So we went up there to begin with. We were
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up there for a couple of hours, just with parabolic
mics and so forth. We heard what could have been
a ohio type how along drawn out how but it
was not. We heard it with the parabolic but it
was not recordable. We did some call blasting. That was
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when we got the sound, but nothing really grand or
exciting happened. So we then go back to Location A,
and it's about an hour and a half drive from
one spot to the other. So the first thing that
we had to do when we got to Location A
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was we all jumped out and started using the bathroom.
And this is we parked in the exact same spot.
It's the exact same four people driving the exact same
truck on the exact same lunar date. And we're standing there.
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We haven't made a sound other than getting out of
a truck, and we get another rock thrown at us
at the exact same way. It comes from the other
side of the lake. My son actually saw this one.
He said it was about the size of a cantlope.
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So everything is the same. Exactly one year later and
we get the same event. Now there was nothing else happened,
nothing went in the water, There was no jaw popping
or whatever was making the noise. None of that happened.
We like to joke around and say that he was
just saying hi, that he remembered us. But the exact
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same events one year later in the exact same spot,
and we have continued to work this area. I call
it the triangle and I'll get to the other points
in a few minutes. My house is one of the points.
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But we worked this area quite a bit point A.
We've had multiple rocks thrown at us. We've had what
if you really focused, they could be halves, but they're
right on the edge of your hearing, so it's really
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hard to tell what it is, but they are very
long and drawn out. We have had tree knocks, but
more than anything, we've had the rocks thrown. And as
recently as early this spring, we were out there and
on the opposite side of the lake, there's a road
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that goes down the other side. We were over there
and it's a gravel road and you actually can get
kind of far from the lake on this road, and
I had the truck parked there and I was leaned
up against the fender. Now the boys have all got
to where they're fifteen sixteen years old now, so they're
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a little bit more braver than they were then, so
they will venture a little bit further from me. So
they were down the road about seventy five yards or so,
and I'm standing there watching there. Down there, they've done
a tree knock. I think there's been a howl or
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two made. And now, mind you, I'm parked in the road,
but I am not under a tree or anything like that.
But all at once, my whole truck gets bombarded with
what feels like somebody just picked up a small handful
of gravel and just threw it at the truck. Nope,
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no large rocks, no damage was done to the truck,
but just all at once, all these fine bb sized
particles rain down on my truck. And it's loud enough
that the boys hear it from seventy five eighty yards
away and come running back to the truck. And there's
little flakes of rock like on the hood, on the
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bed cover because I've got a hardcover on my bed.
You know, There's just little things like that all over
the truck. Now, you know, if it was one big
clunk and I was parked under a tree, I can
well it was an acron or a hickory nut or
something like that something fell on the truck. But I'm
not parked under anything, So you know, you can use
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your imagination that something picked up a little handful of
that fine road dust rock and just threw it up
in the air and it rain down on my truck.
So that is like I said, we'll call that point eight.
Now my house, I'll call it point B. We've had
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activity here in my backyard. We had a tree down
that we cut up, and we had a pile of
wood in the back brush that we burnt one night,
and me and my son were out there until it
kind of had burnt away, till it was safe enough
to leave and let smolder on out. And he had
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walked on into the house, and I had stayed and
gathered up the pop cans and the gas jug and
everything we'd used while we were there. So I was
about ten minutes behind him, and I walked back to
the house, and all at once there is a howl
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that comes from the southwest, I believe, of the house,
and it is so loud I can almost envision it
as a dome over the area. And as soon as
it started, within just a couple of split seconds, every
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dog in the neighborhood started. There's about five houses on
this road. We live right in the middle of a
wildlife management area. It's about fifteen hundred acres of land
that is owned by the Kentucky Department of Fish and
Wildlife and is very it's very wooded, very swampy, and
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it is not hunted very much. But anyway, the dogs
in the neighborhood started howling, but it took me a
second or so to realize I was holding a recorder
in my hand, being my cell phone, So I hit
the recording on it, and you can hear it, and
it's way above all the dog sounds. And the reason
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I used the dome analogy was it was like the
dogs could hit the top of the dome, but they
couldn't get above the dome toward this vocal sound was
add And so I sent it to Cliff Brackman because
I had heard him talking about somebody doing a study
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on reported bigfoot sounds, and so I sent it to Cliff,
and he sent it on to this gentleman, drawing a
blank on his name right now, but sent it to him.
And a few days later Cliff got back to me
and he said that the gentleman had originally wanted to
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write it off as a canine, but he said, right
at the very end of the how it done what
he called the signature sasquatch vocal move or sound or whatever.
But it was obvious on a selloscope or a vocal
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analyzer that that move was there. He did not share
with me what that move was for obvious reasons, but
he said that it was as far as he was concerned,
it was a Sasquatch vocal that I recorded in my backyard.
About three weeks later, I had went out on the
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front porch and I don't remember what I was doing,
but I was out on the front porch and I
heard it again and I recorded it again. Same deal. So,
like I said, Point A is five miles from my house,
which is Point B. A buddy of mine who also
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does Sasquatch research, he had took some friends to another area.
I will refer to it as Point C. Now. Point
C is ironically five miles from my house, and it
is a I don't want to say it's a large mountain,
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but it is a elevated peak and it is a
popular hiking area. As weird as it is, it's a
popular hiking area, and there's a large gravel parking lot.
There's picnic facilities there. There's quite a few things there.
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It's called the Pinnacles. You can actually see a video
on YouTube where somebody recorded what they said was a Sasquatch.
You can be your own judge on that. But he
had took a girl he was friendly with and his
best friend to the top of the hill, and it
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took him a little bit longer to get up there
because it's pretty good hike and it's a little rugged
right at the very end, so they were a little
late getting there. They stayed there a little longer than
they should have. The sun was going down as they
were leaving. You can actually find a TV show about
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his encounter on These Woods are Haunted. I'm not sure
what the episode was, but it was based right here
in Berria, Kentucky and anyway. You can go watch that.
But essentially they got chased down or escorted down the
mountain by several of these creatures. He told me that
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the TV show kind of depicted it. It is one,
maybe two creatures. But he said that when they got
to the bottom of the hill and their feet hit
the parking lot area, that there were seven whoops that
started at the bottom of the hill and went all
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the way back up to the top of the mountain.
It was like they were relaying the message that they
had left. So we go out there periodically. We've had
a few minor questionable things happened there. One of the
most noted one which kind of leads to the theory
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of bigfoots mimicking animals. We did a tree knock out
there one night and a owl answered us back very close,
which that's not that unusual. So a few minutes later
we did another tree knock and a different species of
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owl answered us back from the exact same spot. Now,
owls are not very social creatures, especially species to species,
so the thoughts that a screech owl and a bar
now we're sitting side beside in the tree is pretty rare,
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but it's really nonconclusive, so you can take that for
what you want. But the pinnacles, which is Point C,
and Point A, which is the reservoir, is exactly five
miles from each other. So I call this our triangle.
And there has been quite a few eyewitness encounters I
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have since I started doing the podcast. There have been
a lot of people reach out to me and tell
me about their encounters and things that they have heard
at these other locations or just within the triangle, and
it's a fairly active area. There was a gentleman, a
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farmer up the road from my house. He has has
about five acres that is separated from his farm. It's
an off lot that he owned for some reason, and
he had grew watermelons in it, and he had about
three acres worth of watermelons planning. And he told me
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that he had stopped by on a Friday afternoon and
the watermelons were almost ready, just needed a few more days.
So he went back on Monday to check on the watermelons,
and over the course of the weekend, something had cleared
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every watermelon in that field out. They were all gone,
but he found the remnants of them on the backside
of the hill away from the road, because the road
goes right past this watermelon patch, so you could have
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seen anything that was in the field. Whatever it was
had took all the watermelons in that field and moved
them to the backside of that hill where nobody could
see it, and had ate every watermelon that was in
that field. Now, I don't know how many that was.
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Don't know how many watermelons you can get to an acre,
but I'm assuming fifty or sixty watermelons had been eight
over the course of two three days. Now, a bear,
which we don't have many bears. There's one comes through
here occasionally, but a bear or anything else wouldn't have
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went to the trouble of moving the watermelons to eat them.
It would have just ate them standing right there in
the field, and who cares who saw it. The other
problem with that is to pick up a watermelon you
have to have hands that you're not walking on, So
you can kind of take that for what it's worth.
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But I felt like it was a pretty good indication
of what had actually cleared out the watermelon field. One
of the other strange events that has happened in my
life that I really can't attribute it to a sasquatch
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because I did not see a sasquatch, but I kind
of feel like it's worth noting because a lot of
people do like to delve into the wou side of things.
I personally cannot go there. I cannot attribute this to
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a bigfoot. But I've told this story before and several
people have got up in arms about it, saying, oh,
that was a bigfoot and you experienced in for sound
or whatever, and I just can't go there. But it's
worthy of telling because it's a fairly good story. It
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happened at Peabody, down where my original encounter happened at,
and it was about six years later because I'm driving
at this time, I had started hunting in another large field.
Like I said, that's what is there. Mostly in the
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spall banks are surrounding it, but there is a little
two track road that runs along the edge of this field,
and that's basically where I'm hunting at. And I'm standing
in a group of trees and I see a deer
run out of the woods. I heard it coming through
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the woods and it runs out in the woods and
they're out in the field and it's about one hundred
yards from me. This is a pretty good sized buck deer.
I have all intentions in the world of trying to
harvest this deer. And it charges out and I can
tell that it has been running hard because his tongue
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is hanging out and he just kind of looks frothy
like a horse does after a race. So I'm sitting
here thinking, Okay, why is this deer running this hard?
And I'm still hearing something else in the woods, and
so I'm thinking, Okay, there's a bigger, even bigger buck
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after it. They've been down in the woods and they've
been fighting. And so I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, if
the big buck doesn't come out, I'll harvest this buck,
or I'll wait for the big buck if he shows up.
So I'm sitting here and I'm watching this deer get
closer and closer, and all at once I realize that
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I can hear something breathing. And as many times as
I have encountered deer in close proximity, I've never heard
them breathing loud like this. This sounds like somebody has
run a race and is out of breath. And I'm
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watching this deer get closer and closer, and it gets
about twenty twenty five yards away from me, and all
at once, in the blink of an eye, this deer
goes from twenty to twenty five yards in front of
me to twenty to twenty five yards behind me, and
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it never run past me and where I'm at, and
it's running down this two track road. If it had
passed where I was standing at, I could have reached
out and poked at the ribs with the gun. But
it never in my conscious mind, it never went past me.
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And several people have said, well, you got blasted with
infrasound or something like that. And like I said, I
don't delve into the woo too much. I kind of
feel like that my mind blocked something out, because that's
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the only thing that I can come up with is
that even though I have encountered these creatures, I have
kind of dedicated my life to exploring these creatures, since
I have a degree because of this creature. And even
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though I wart to have that classic sasquatch eight foot
tall walking around encounter, I halfway feel like that my
mind has blocked something out. Now was it that encounter?
I don't know. I don't know what it was. All
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I can say is that that deer went from point
A twenty five yards away to point B twenty five
yards away the other side of me, with me with
no conscious recollection of it doing it. I am solely
in the camp of that this is a relic commony,
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it is a primate of some sort. I do not
buy into the interdimensional stuff. I've heard some crazy, well
I hate to use crazy. I've heard some alternative theories.
I even had a college professor tell me one time
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that he thought that Sasquatch was the ghost of a
relic comedy. He said, we see ghost of humans, why
couldn't there be ghost of relic commonists. And while that
theory is very interesting, and I guess you know, theoretically
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it's plausible that a relic commonin would have a spirit
a ghost. Most ghosts don't leave behind hair and footprints
and evidence of them being there. But I always thought
that that was a pretty neat hypothesis that he had
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on it. But I am solely into the relic common
and flesh and blood creature category, and we can delve
into that pretty deep if you want to it sometime.
But that kind of wraps up the encounters and what
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led me to starting the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research.
Like I said, we approach it in a purely scientific matter.
Everything is documented, good, bad, ugly. We make records of it,
kind of running out of things without taking up a
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bunch more time.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
All of that all right there, Gene. I've got a
lot of questions to ask you about the experiences that
you've already shared. Would you be okay with coming back
for a part too so I could do that?
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Oh.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
Good, that's really good. Well, yeah, I'll just plan on
having you back for part two so I can ask
you those questions. But before we get out of here tonight,
could you please tell the listeners who would like to
contact you and share a sasquatch related experience with you
in Kentucky or maybe in the areas around Kentucky, if
you could please let them know the best way to
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contact you or the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research to
do that.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Sure, you can find the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research
on Facebook. We do not collect stories. We're not a
reporting group. There is too many other groups out there
that do that very thing. The BFRO, you know, different
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variations of that, and they're a lot better at that
than we would be. We welcome stories because it kind
of leads us to areas that may be fruitful to research,
but we do not post a lot of stuff. It
is strictly there for people to contact us through. You
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can find that on Facebook. You can find me on
Facebook gene Brock. You can find gene Brock Music, which
is my band. You can contact us there if that's
easier to come up with. But anybody is welcome to
contact me through those means, or you can get my
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phone number off of the music page. It is located
there and you can call me directly. I have no
problem with people reaching out if you got questions about
what I've talked about, or you just want to call
and talk for a little bit, tell me what you've
experienced anything. I'll welcome all communications.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
So that everyone listening knows. I'm going to post all
that information in the description for tonight's show how to
make it really easy to reach out to Gene and
do that if you like. But having said that, Gene,
of course, I'm looking forward to having you back for
part two. And thanks again so much for coming here
tonight to share those experiences with us.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I really appreciate it my pleasure. I'm always happy to
talk Bigfoot.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Well, it goes two ways. It's been fun.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Having said that, thanks again so much for your time
and have a great night.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
My name is Gene Brock. I'm an anthropologist. I have
a degree in anthropology and archaeology, as well as a
minor in Appalatian studies and a broadcasting degree. My first
foray into the world of Sasquatch happened when I was
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about seven to eight years old. My father was a
long haul truck driver and he was on the road
all the time, and one morning he come back and
he was telling us a story. He had took a
load of something to Florida was coming back with a
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load of watermelons, and they were on Interstate seventy five.
There is a large mountain between Kentucky and Tennessee that
the border runs across and is called Jellico Mountain. And
there was a gentleman that was behind my father in
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another semi truck, and he got on the radio talking
about how something had just ran behind my father's truck,
and he was telling the oncoming side of the interstate
to watch out for that thing that was running across
the interstate. Well, they got to riding him so bad
because he said that he thought it was a bigfoot,
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and they got to riding him so bad that he
eventually just turned off his radio and quit talking to anybody. Well,
going down the hill, he managed to pass my father
and then he pulled into the truck stop that was
at the bottom of the hill, and my father pulled
in behind him and got out and was talking to
the guy, and my dad said that the guy was
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still visibly shaking and he was pale. My dad asked him,
he said, buddy, are you sure it wasn't a bear,
because there are black bear in that area. And the
gentleman told my dad he said, I grew up in Asheville,
North Carolina. I know what a bear looks like, and
a bear does not cross the interstate in three steps
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on two legs. So that was my first foray into
the world of sasquatch. Matter of fact, my dad was
the one that told me that the natives called it sasquatch.
So that was where my fascination began. Now, mind you,
in my mind, bigfoot is a single creature, ate foot tall,
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and even though this happened in Kentucky. I still kind
of assumed that he we lived on the West coast
because that's where the Patterson Gilman film and everything was
video app So fast forward until I'm about thirteen, fourteen
years old, and we are deer hunting on a reclaimed
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coal mine belonged to Peabody Coal Company, and we're in
Meulenberg County. That's where the John Prime song come from.
But at this time, Peabody Coal Company was sixty two
thousand acres of land that nobody did anything on. Peabody
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would go out there every few years or something and
scratch around in the dirt just to keep all their
permits and everything active. But it was basically strip mined.
It was laid out, there were large fields, some of
the fields were thirty forty acres, and then surrounding them
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was what we called spoil banks. But it was basically
the tailings the spoils of where they scraped up the
dirt and just piled it up. So it is November,
I think it was the third weekend of November, and
I'm standing in this field. I'm facing basically the northwest.
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My father had went down a original holler that had
never been mined to the west of me, and he
had been gone about an hour or so. It was
about three point thirty four o'clock, maybe four thirty something
like that in the afternoon. It was still light, but
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it was of an evening, and I heard my father shut.
Now I had hunted with my father my whole life,
so I knew what his gun sounded like, and I
knew it was him. But the thing that was noticeable
was my father's shot three times. Now, there is a
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distress signal that hunters us, and that is three rapid shots.
But that was not what my father done. It was deliberate,
aimed shots. It was bang, bang, bang. And so what
was ironic about that is my father was the type
of hunter that he pulled the trigger one time and
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the deer was down. There was no follow up shot,
very rarely. So I eased over to the mouth of
the holler so I could see down in it. And
this holler was pretty much wide open. The stige was
hardwoods all the way down through it. The only place
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that there was any brush in it was at the
very bottom of the ravine where a wet weather creek
would run. So there was vegetation and it was grown
up in that area. So I went over there to
look to see if I seen any deer running toward
me and maybe I would get a shot. Well, I
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was standing there and it was pretty well silent. Didn't
see no deer, but I heard talking and it was
distinct vocal rhythm, safety and type of sentences, a rhythm,
and you could tell that it was two people conveying
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back and forth. Couldn't make out what they were saying
by no means because it was just on the edge
of my hearing, but it was plain that it was
two people carrying on a conversation. So I thought, Okay,
my dad has killed a deer and there's somebody else
down there he's talking to. So I decided I would
ease down the haller. So I started working my way
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down the haller. As i'm going down, I'm also working
my way to the bottom of the ravine, so I'm
kind of traversing at a angle down the haller, And
like I said, you could see forever down through there.
And I got about maybe a couple of hundred yards
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down the haller, and was about fifty or sixty yards
or something like that from where the brush was in
the bottom of the holler, And like I said, it
was quiet, didn't hear anything. Don't confuse that with people
saying that the woods went silent when they seen their sasquatch.
There just wasn't no noise. My father had just been
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down there shooting a gun. There wasn't nothing going on
in the woods. But all at once, two animals charged
out of the brush. I don't think they were charging
at me. I think I just happened to be in
the way that they were running. The reason I talk
about the fact that it was silent was because I
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did not hear them running. Now, they could have easily
have been in the rocky creek bottom and not making
any noise, but I did not hear them. Nonetheless, so
these animals come out of the brush, and this is
not your typical sasquatch side. They were not on two legs,
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they were not eight foot tall. What they were doing
was what I now know and can describe as knuckle walking.
Their butts were lower than their shoulders, their hips, their
hip bone went upwards to the kneecap and then went
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back down, kind of picture like the way a hyena
looks when They're squatted, but with the knees facing upwards
and the bottom leg bone facing down in a stance
like a grade ape would do. It wasn't wasn't true
knuckle walking, but that's the best way to describe it.
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These animals were about three and a half to four
feet tall at the shoulder, so I suspect when they
stood up, they were probably five to six feet tall.
They were covered with reddish brown hair that was three
to four inches long. They had no snout on them.
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The face was flat. I did not focus on or
I did not notice details. I did notice that there
was no ears on them. I had no idea what
these animals were. Now in my thirteen fourteen year old mind,
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all I knew was this was something I didn't know
what it was, and I needed to shoot it. So
I yanked my gun up and I fired at him.
I fired a total of three times. I don't know
if I fired two shots first or one shot, but
I didn't even name my gun at him. I just
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pointed it toward them and pulled the trigger. And when
I did this, there was a huge noise behind me
that scared me to death because I thought I remember
thinking in my head. They've got me surrounded. So I
spun around to see what it was, and it was
a large squirrel going up a hickory tree that was
about three foot from my hip. Why the squirrel did
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not run when I first got to that point, I
cannot tell you, but he made a enough noise it
sounded like a bulldozer coming through the woods. So when
I realized what that was, I spun back around to
defend myself from the danger I knew was coming. And
these animals had already crossed back across the creek bed
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and were halfway up the other side of the haller
going to the top. And then I discharged my weapon
again at them. Like I said, I shot three times.
I don't know if it was two before the squirrel
or two after the squirrel, but I never hit them.
So at that point I decided that my dad could
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deal with his own deer, and I was going back
up to the field. And you know, even though I
was young, and even though I felt compelled to discharge
my weapon, I never really felt in danger, and I
really wasn't freaked out because I did go back to
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the top of the hill where the field was open
and I could see very well, and I finished out
my evening hunt until it was dark and I went
back to camp. Now, when I got to camp, I
met up with my dad ad and he did not
have a deer, and what he had seen was these
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same things, and he shot at them as well and
never touched touched them at all. When I seen them,
they were running. When my dad saw them, they were
just walking through the woods, so he got a slower
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look at them, but it was at a greater distance,
and his description of them was basically the same thing
as mine that I had realized in my encounter. Now,
this is this is where it gets a little maybe
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not strange, but this is one key thing. When those
animals come out of the brush at me and they
realized I was there, because I don't think they were
charging at me. I think I was just in their way.
But when they come out of the brush and it
was almost like they realized I was there, they started
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chattering back and forth to each other. Now it was
not the Sapian rhythm that I had heard earlier. It
was more like what you would hear chimpanzees doing, like
if you were traversing through the jungle and you come
up on a group of chimpanzees and started them, they
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would start their squawking and screaming. That was more what
it was like. Now. I asked my father who he
was talking to, and he said that there was nobody
else in the hawk. So the only thing that I
can feasibly come up with was after my father shot
at these amps animals and they got away from him,
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they were once again chattering back and forth to each other,
but in a more calm fashion. When they saw me
and I was so close to them, they were startled
and then began talking in a more chimpanzee type rhythm.
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I know that based on the Sierra Sounds, it has
been recorded both ways, and so I'm comfortable with saying that,
But that what my father saw and what I saw
were the exact same creatures. There was nobody else in
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the holler except for me and him and these two animals,
and me and my dad never said a word while
we were in the holler, So the only thing feasible
that I heard as far as the talking sequence was them. Now,
could there have been more there? Were they just talking
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to each other because I startled them? Or were they
yelling for mom and Dad that I did not see
and my father did not see. That is one thing
that does still intrigue me to this day, maybe makes
me a little nervous because if there was a eight
foot tall big foot standing nearby, I never laid eyes
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on it. But the whole event took just a matter
of seconds. They were so fast. I've never seen anything
move through the woods that quick. So all of this
we kind of played it off amongst ourselves because there
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was a group of us down there that have hunted
there for years, and we still hunt there. As a
matter of fact, the only time I've ever stepped foot
back in that holler was just about two years ago.
When that was because there were some other hunters there
and I didn't want to ruin their hunt, so I
took a detour and actually went through that holler with
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my son, and I told him where it all happened.
But we kind of played it off like these were
some sort of weird canines of some sort. I think
we all knew differently because there were always things that
happened down there. There's a large coyote population, so hearing
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coyotes is not that unusual, but ever so often there
would be a larger, deeper sounding hal echo through the woods,
and of course that would set the coyotes off, and
then you couldn't tell anything else. I've been as close
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to an entire coyote pack yelping and yapping. I've been
as close to him as less than one hundred yards.
Another thing that always seemed to happen around there was
what I now know as tree knocks and rock clacking.
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We'd be walking through the woods and just all at
once you would hear, you know, for lack of a
better term, somebody smacking a tree with a baseball bat,
or you would hear rocks being banged together and the
tree with the baseball bat. We just kind of assumed
that there was a limb falling or something, even though
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it happened with pretty good regularity. The rock clacking we
always played off as well as a raccoon banging something together.
It was trying to eat or something to that effect.
But all of these things put together now it all
makes more sense. And if you go on the BFRO
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website where my encounter took place, there is at least
ten site reportings that I know of that are on
either the BFRO or some other distinguishable reporting sites. But
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all of this basically led me to getting an anthropology
degree when I went to school because I wanted to
study grade apes. Now, being in Kentucky, there's very few
grade ape jobs and I didn't want to work in
a zoo anyway, so I minored in archaeology and that's
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what I do now. Doing that enables me to be
in the woods a whole lot because we're on different projects,
and archaeology rarely happens in town, so lots of times
I will be in the middle of nowhere and I'm
always got my eyes open. There's been several things that
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have happened on archaeology digs. We were in Kentucky below
Cumberland Dam, and Cumberland is a large man made lake.
I believe it's got close to one hundred miles of
shoreline on it. But we were doing an archaeological project
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down below the dam, and it's fairly remote area where
it's at, and we were in a flat flood flame.
What they had done was they had went through and
they had scraped the topsail off with a bulldozer so
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we could study it. It was what we call a
Phase two project. Which means that we were working in
one spot the entire time we were there. We actually
had you know, test units dug out just like what
you'd see on TV down in them with our trials.
Working archaeology is not that glamorous. That happens very rarely.
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But anyway, I had one day was doing a surface
survey and I was walking around the edges of where
they had scraped the dirt up, and I noticed three
holes in the ground, and so I leaned down and
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I was looking at that because I couldn't figure out
what had made these three holes. And while I was
looking at that, I just kind of glanced to my
left and realized that I was looking at a footprint
in the mud. And the print was about when I
realized that, I immediately switched from archaeologist the bigfoot guy.
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And so I'm documenting the best I can. I don't
have any plaster to make a cast or anything, but
I'm documenting it the best I can. I've got my
tapes out, I've got my few of my archaeological do
dads out, my arrows and stuff pointing north and everything.
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And it is fifteen and a half inches And after
I felt like I had documented it the best I
could by taking photographs of it. I went to raise up,
and I put my hand on the ground, and when
I did, I noticed that I was raising up with
three fingers pointing on the ground. Not my whole hand
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or my fist, but three fingers, And so I thought, hmm,
And I took those three fingers and I reached over,
and it was in line with the three holes that
were in the mud beside the footprint. So I immediately
took measurements of that, and while they were much bigger
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than my fingers and about an inch and a half
longer than my fingers, to the bottom of the hole,
it was very plain to me that this creature, for
whatever reason, had knelt down at that spot, and then
when it raised back up, it put its three fingers
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on the ground, just like I had, a very humanistic movement.
But I'm getting a little ahead of myself. When I
was finishing my first round of college, when I got
the broadcasting degree, I tried to form a group that
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would approach bigfoot research in a very scientific matter, and
I found a few people that seemed to be of
that mindset, but they weren't as serious about it as
I was. They just immediately wanted to run through the
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woods and see what they could see. And that wasn't
what I was looking for because by this time I
was doing the archy or doing the anthropology portion of
my academic career, and so I was looking for people
who were like minded. And so it took a few years,
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but I finally formed the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research
in two thousand and two. And basically what we have
all of our members are either anthropologist or biologist or
have a scientific degree of some sort. There is one
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member of the group that does not, but the reason
this person is there is because they own a large
piece of land and have had at least three visual
sightings of these animals. So with the group that I
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have now, when we go out on a project, everything
is documented. It is recorded, regardless of if we see anything,
have any activity. All the details are collected because even
bad data is good data. So we record everything. We
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record dates, times, temperatures, weather conditions, any strange anomalies that
we encounter. Did we see deer in the area while
we're going to the location, etc. Just things like that.
So through the course of all this we have collected
various things. Nothing overly excited, to be honest with you,
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whenever I go out with the professionals, let's put it
that way. Now. That brings us to a point. About
four years ago, when my son was twelve, him and
his buddies, they were big on finding Bigfoot, and I
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know all the guys that are on finding Bigfoot. They
wanted to go out squatching. So I said, okay, I'll
take y'all out squatching. I just got to find a
good spot to go. Well, a woman had contacted me
about an area that is about five miles from my house,
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and I thought she said that they had got run
out of the woods by something screaming and throwing rocks
at it, and I thought, well, this is kind of crazy.
This is a popular area. People go there fishing, they
go there to hang out, kids go there to park
and have a good time. There's nothing out there. I
would be super surprised if there was. I actually went
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with the intentions that there is nothing here, but I
thought this would be a good place to take this
group of preteens that want to go out and yell
in the woods. So this area, it is around a
reservoir and like I said, it's it's very popular. But
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this occurred in February and it was the first full
moon of February. Now that's that's an important detail, so
remember that. So we go to this spot and this
this is a paved road that we park on. Granted
it's a dead end road, but it's a paved road.
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So I go to the end of it and I
turned the truck around and we just stopped in the
road because there's not going to be any traffic on it,
and if somebody comes down, we can move the truck.
It ain't no big deal. So it had been raining
heavily for two days, but it had finally broke and
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like like I said, the sun, the moon was full.
There was there was fog on the ground, none in
the air, but it was foggy across the water. But
I just I told guys. I got them out and
there was me and three twelve year olds, and I
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told them, I said, okay, guys, you all do whatever
you want to do. If you have questions about how
to do something, just ask and we'll talk about it
and we'll demonstrate it and we'll do it. I said,
But you all wanted to come and go squatching, so squatch.
So I just let them do what they wanted to do.
And they're having the best time. They've got their phones out,
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like they're making videos or talking on a podcast or something,
and they're recording on one phone. Then the other ones
are videotaping everything that they can, or at least recording everything.
And my son told me, well, they had done knocks,
and they had done yells and that sort of thing.
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And then my son told me he said, I'm going
to do my famous three shorts or two shorts and
along and I said okay, And he does these with
me all the time at that time. And so he
done two short calls. He went whoo whoo, and then
a long one wooo. And it wasn't three to five
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seconds after he did that. I'm standing there facing across
the water. Now, this where we're at, there's a sloop
that runs beside the road that we're at. We're at
the end of the reservoir, so it's the slough and
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it is approximately two hundred and fifty three hundred yards
on the other side of the water because the water
is at flood stage it had rained so much. But
he makes that sound and I'm standing there and I'm
just looking across the lake, just basically enjoying the night,
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and I look up, and I really don't know what
caused me to look up, but I look up and
I see a rock coming through the air that is
somewhere between the size of a large canalope and a basketball,
and it has come from the opposite side of the
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lake two fifty three hundred yards across or feet across.
I'm sorry, and so I'm watching this come through the
air and it lands ten or twenty yards from me
in the water. Now people have tried to argue with
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me that you heard a beaver slap its tail, because
when this rock hit the water, it went deep. You
know when you drop something in the water, you get
that boom sound, and it hit the water, it went deep,
it made that sound, and then water ranged back down
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on the surface of the lake. So when a beaver
smacks its tail on the water, it's just like you
walked out and smacked the swimming pool. You get that
smack sound, that type sound. So I can argue that
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it was not a beaver just based on the distinctiveness
of the two sounds. But on top of that, I
saw the rock coming through the air, so it's really
a minute point. So when this happens, and mind you,
I'm not prepared. When we go out. I'm very protective
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of my team. I always have a large Caliper firearm
with me because you know, we like to know that
we know these animals to some degree, but honestly, we
know very little about them. So I always have protection.
Now where we're at, I did not feel the need
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for that protection, and all I have is a small
Caliper pistol that I carry with me all the time.
So I immediately tell the guys, hey, get in the truck.
So they all jump in the truck. And I don't
know why I bothered because they've all got their heads
hung out the window. Looks like the clampets coming down
the road. But I'm watching to see what's going to
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happen next. And I hear what sounds like something come
into the water. Now it's not a splash, it's not
stomping around in the water. It just kind of sounds
like like a new floating by wood, almost silent, but
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you know something is moving through the water. So I've
got a fairly decent flashlight with me, and I'm shining
it all around, and like I said, the surface of
the lake it's falky because it is February and it's
been raining, so it's funky. The sky is clear, but
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on the surface of the water there's fog, so I'm
not seeing anything. I'm just getting a wall of fog.
And then it kind of goes silent again for a
few minutes, and I start hearing this clicking sound and
I can't pinpoint where it's coming from obviously, can't see anything.
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So it does this for five or ten minutes probably,
and then everything goes quiet and the encounter is basically over,
so we leave. So the next day I contacted Burbo
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fay off of finding Bigfoot. I think I sent him
a message or maybe a text message. I don't remember,
but anyway, I told him what happened, and I said,
have you ever encountered anything like this? And he said, yeah,
I've heard that twice. It was a large mail and
he was mad and he said, you were right to
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leave with the boys, but go back and I said, okay,
So now when a bear gets upset, it'll pop its jaw.
So that's kind of what I'm relating that noise too,
is that same type of motion or whatever. So we,
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like I said, it's five miles from my house to
this location. So we go back just about every other weekend,
just if we had ten minutes, we go out to
this spot. And we never got another sound that entire year.
Nothing not a howl, not a wooden knock, not a footprint, nothing.
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It's just dead. And so I'm thinking, Okay, this is
a one off encounter. Whatever happened. So fast forward to
the following February. Now, like I said earlier, it was
the first full moon of February, so on the lunar
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calendar it was the exact same date. But I had
told the guys that we were going back to the
same spot. Now we had actually our team member who
has the farm, had said that they had been hearing sounds.
So we went up there to begin with. We were
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up there for a couple of hours, just with parabolic
mics and so forth. We heard what could have been
a ohio type how along drawn out how but it
was not. We heard it with the parabolic but it
was not recordable. We did some call blasting. That was
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when we got the sound, but nothing really grand or
exciting happened. So we then go back to Location A,
and it's about an hour and a half drive from
one spot to the other. So the first thing that
we had to do when we got to Location A
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was we all jumped out and started using the bathroom.
And this is we parked in the exact same spot.
It's the exact same four people driving the exact same
truck on the exact same lunar date. And we're standing there.
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We haven't made a sound other than getting out of
a truck, and we get another rock thrown at us
at the exact same way. It comes from the other
side of the lake. My son actually saw this one.
He said it was about the size of a cantlope.
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So everything is the same. Exactly one year later and
we get the same event. Now there was nothing else happened,
nothing went in the water, There was no jaw popping
or whatever was making the noise. None of that happened.
We like to joke around and say that he was
just saying hi, that he remembered us. But the exact
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same events one year later in the exact same spot,
and we have continued to work this area. I call
it the triangle and I'll get to the other points
in a few minutes. My house is one of the points.
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But we worked this area quite a bit point A.
We've had multiple rocks thrown at us. We've had what
if you really focused, they could be halves, but they're
right on the edge of your hearing, so it's really
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hard to tell what it is, but they are very
long and drawn out. We have had tree knocks, but
more than anything, we've had the rocks thrown. And as
recently as early this spring, we were out there and
on the opposite side of the lake, there's a road
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that goes down the other side. We were over there
and it's a gravel road and you actually can get
kind of far from the lake on this road, and
I had the truck parked there and I was leaned
up against the fender. Now the boys have all got
to where they're fifteen sixteen years old now, so they're
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a little bit more braver than they were then, so
they will venture a little bit further from me. So
they were down the road about seventy five yards or so,
and I'm standing there watching there. Down there, they've done
a tree knock. I think there's been a howl or
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two made. And now, mind you, I'm parked in the road,
but I am not under a tree or anything like that.
But all at once, my whole truck gets bombarded with
what feels like somebody just picked up a small handful
of gravel and just threw it at the truck. Nope,
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no large rocks, no damage was done to the truck,
but just all at once, all these fine bb sized
particles rain down on my truck. And it's loud enough
that the boys hear it from seventy five eighty yards
away and come running back to the truck. And there's
little flakes of rock like on the hood, on the
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bed cover because I've got a hardcover on my bed.
You know, There's just little things like that all over
the truck. Now, you know, if it was one big
clunk and I was parked under a tree, I can
well it was an acron or a hickory nut or
something like that something fell on the truck. But I'm
not parked under anything, So you know, you can use
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your imagination that something picked up a little handful of
that fine road dust rock and just threw it up
in the air and it rain down on my truck.
So that is like I said, we'll call that point eight.
Now my house, I'll call it point B. We've had
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activity here in my backyard. We had a tree down
that we cut up, and we had a pile of
wood in the back brush that we burnt one night,
and me and my son were out there until it
kind of had burnt away, till it was safe enough
to leave and let smolder on out. And he had
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walked on into the house, and I had stayed and
gathered up the pop cans and the gas jug and
everything we'd used while we were there. So I was
about ten minutes behind him, and I walked back to
the house, and all at once there is a howl
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that comes from the southwest, I believe, of the house,
and it is so loud I can almost envision it
as a dome over the area. And as soon as
it started, within just a couple of split seconds, every
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dog in the neighborhood started. There's about five houses on
this road. We live right in the middle of a
wildlife management area. It's about fifteen hundred acres of land
that is owned by the Kentucky Department of Fish and
Wildlife and is very it's very wooded, very swampy, and
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it is not hunted very much. But anyway, the dogs
in the neighborhood started howling, but it took me a
second or so to realize I was holding a recorder
in my hand, being my cell phone, So I hit
the recording on it, and you can hear it, and
it's way above all the dog sounds. And the reason
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I used the dome analogy was it was like the
dogs could hit the top of the dome, but they
couldn't get above the dome toward this vocal sound was
add And so I sent it to Cliff Brackman because
I had heard him talking about somebody doing a study
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on reported bigfoot sounds, and so I sent it to Cliff,
and he sent it on to this gentleman, drawing a
blank on his name right now, but sent it to him.
And a few days later Cliff got back to me
and he said that the gentleman had originally wanted to
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write it off as a canine, but he said, right
at the very end of the how it done what
he called the signature sasquatch vocal move or sound or whatever.
But it was obvious on a selloscope or a vocal
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analyzer that that move was there. He did not share
with me what that move was for obvious reasons, but
he said that it was as far as he was concerned,
it was a Sasquatch vocal that I recorded in my backyard.
About three weeks later, I had went out on the
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front porch and I don't remember what I was doing,
but I was out on the front porch and I
heard it again and I recorded it again. Same deal. So,
like I said, Point A is five miles from my house,
which is Point B. A buddy of mine who also
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does Sasquatch research, he had took some friends to another area.
I will refer to it as Point C. Now. Point
C is ironically five miles from my house, and it
is a I don't want to say it's a large mountain,
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but it is a elevated peak and it is a
popular hiking area. As weird as it is, it's a
popular hiking area, and there's a large gravel parking lot.
There's picnic facilities there. There's quite a few things there.
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It's called the Pinnacles. You can actually see a video
on YouTube where somebody recorded what they said was a Sasquatch.
You can be your own judge on that. But he
had took a girl he was friendly with and his
best friend to the top of the hill, and it
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took him a little bit longer to get up there
because it's pretty good hike and it's a little rugged
right at the very end, so they were a little
late getting there. They stayed there a little longer than
they should have. The sun was going down as they
were leaving. You can actually find a TV show about
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his encounter on These Woods are Haunted. I'm not sure
what the episode was, but it was based right here
in Berria, Kentucky and anyway. You can go watch that.
But essentially they got chased down or escorted down the
mountain by several of these creatures. He told me that
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the TV show kind of depicted it. It is one,
maybe two creatures. But he said that when they got
to the bottom of the hill and their feet hit
the parking lot area, that there were seven whoops that
started at the bottom of the hill and went all
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the way back up to the top of the mountain.
It was like they were relaying the message that they
had left. So we go out there periodically. We've had
a few minor questionable things happened there. One of the
most noted one which kind of leads to the theory
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of bigfoots mimicking animals. We did a tree knock out
there one night and a owl answered us back very close,
which that's not that unusual. So a few minutes later
we did another tree knock and a different species of
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owl answered us back from the exact same spot. Now,
owls are not very social creatures, especially species to species,
so the thoughts that a screech owl and a bar
now we're sitting side beside in the tree is pretty rare,
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but it's really nonconclusive, so you can take that for
what you want. But the pinnacles, which is Point C,
and Point A, which is the reservoir, is exactly five
miles from each other. So I call this our triangle.
And there has been quite a few eyewitness encounters I
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have since I started doing the podcast. There have been
a lot of people reach out to me and tell
me about their encounters and things that they have heard
at these other locations or just within the triangle, and
it's a fairly active area. There was a gentleman, a
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farmer up the road from my house. He has has
about five acres that is separated from his farm. It's
an off lot that he owned for some reason, and
he had grew watermelons in it, and he had about
three acres worth of watermelons planning. And he told me
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that he had stopped by on a Friday afternoon and
the watermelons were almost ready, just needed a few more days.
So he went back on Monday to check on the watermelons,
and over the course of the weekend, something had cleared
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every watermelon in that field out. They were all gone,
but he found the remnants of them on the backside
of the hill away from the road, because the road
goes right past this watermelon patch, so you could have
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seen anything that was in the field. Whatever it was
had took all the watermelons in that field and moved
them to the backside of that hill where nobody could
see it, and had ate every watermelon that was in
that field. Now, I don't know how many that was.
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Don't know how many watermelons you can get to an acre,
but I'm assuming fifty or sixty watermelons had been eight
over the course of two three days. Now, a bear,
which we don't have many bears. There's one comes through
here occasionally, but a bear or anything else wouldn't have
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went to the trouble of moving the watermelons to eat them.
It would have just ate them standing right there in
the field, and who cares who saw it. The other
problem with that is to pick up a watermelon you
have to have hands that you're not walking on, So
you can kind of take that for what it's worth.
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But I felt like it was a pretty good indication
of what had actually cleared out the watermelon field. One
of the other strange events that has happened in my
life that I really can't attribute it to a sasquatch
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because I did not see a sasquatch, but I kind
of feel like it's worth noting because a lot of
people do like to delve into the wou side of things.
I personally cannot go there. I cannot attribute this to
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a bigfoot. But I've told this story before and several
people have got up in arms about it, saying, oh,
that was a bigfoot and you experienced in for sound
or whatever, and I just can't go there. But it's
worthy of telling because it's a fairly good story. It
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happened at Peabody, down where my original encounter happened at,
and it was about six years later because I'm driving
at this time, I had started hunting in another large field.
Like I said, that's what is there. Mostly in the
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spall banks are surrounding it, but there is a little
two track road that runs along the edge of this field,
and that's basically where I'm hunting at. And I'm standing
in a group of trees and I see a deer
run out of the woods. I heard it coming through
(53:18):
the woods and it runs out in the woods and
they're out in the field and it's about one hundred
yards from me. This is a pretty good sized buck deer.
I have all intentions in the world of trying to
harvest this deer. And it charges out and I can
tell that it has been running hard because his tongue
(53:42):
is hanging out and he just kind of looks frothy
like a horse does after a race. So I'm sitting
here thinking, Okay, why is this deer running this hard?
And I'm still hearing something else in the woods, and
so I'm thinking, Okay, there's a bigger, even bigger buck
(54:03):
after it. They've been down in the woods and they've
been fighting. And so I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, if
the big buck doesn't come out, I'll harvest this buck,
or I'll wait for the big buck if he shows up.
So I'm sitting here and I'm watching this deer get
closer and closer, and all at once I realize that
(54:25):
I can hear something breathing. And as many times as
I have encountered deer in close proximity, I've never heard
them breathing loud like this. This sounds like somebody has
run a race and is out of breath. And I'm
(54:47):
watching this deer get closer and closer, and it gets
about twenty twenty five yards away from me, and all
at once, in the blink of an eye, this deer
goes from twenty to twenty five yards in front of
me to twenty to twenty five yards behind me, and
(55:12):
it never run past me and where I'm at, and
it's running down this two track road. If it had
passed where I was standing at, I could have reached
out and poked at the ribs with the gun. But
it never in my conscious mind, it never went past me.
(55:34):
And several people have said, well, you got blasted with
infrasound or something like that. And like I said, I
don't delve into the woo too much. I kind of
feel like that my mind blocked something out, because that's
(56:00):
the only thing that I can come up with is
that even though I have encountered these creatures, I have
kind of dedicated my life to exploring these creatures, since
I have a degree because of this creature. And even
(56:20):
though I wart to have that classic sasquatch eight foot
tall walking around encounter, I halfway feel like that my
mind has blocked something out. Now was it that encounter?
I don't know. I don't know what it was. All
(56:42):
I can say is that that deer went from point
A twenty five yards away to point B twenty five
yards away the other side of me, with me with
no conscious recollection of it doing it. I am solely
in the camp of that this is a relic commony,
(57:06):
it is a primate of some sort. I do not
buy into the interdimensional stuff. I've heard some crazy, well
I hate to use crazy. I've heard some alternative theories.
I even had a college professor tell me one time
(57:29):
that he thought that Sasquatch was the ghost of a
relic comedy. He said, we see ghost of humans, why
couldn't there be ghost of relic commonists. And while that
theory is very interesting, and I guess you know, theoretically
(57:49):
it's plausible that a relic commonin would have a spirit
a ghost. Most ghosts don't leave behind hair and footprints
and evidence of them being there. But I always thought
that that was a pretty neat hypothesis that he had
(58:11):
on it. But I am solely into the relic common
and flesh and blood creature category, and we can delve
into that pretty deep if you want to it sometime.
But that kind of wraps up the encounters and what
(58:36):
led me to starting the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research.
Like I said, we approach it in a purely scientific matter.
Everything is documented, good, bad, ugly. We make records of it,
kind of running out of things without taking up a
(58:57):
bunch more time.
Speaker 1 (58:59):
All of that all right there, Gene. I've got a
lot of questions to ask you about the experiences that
you've already shared. Would you be okay with coming back
for a part too so I could do that?
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Oh.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
Good, that's really good. Well, yeah, I'll just plan on
having you back for part two so I can ask
you those questions. But before we get out of here tonight,
could you please tell the listeners who would like to
contact you and share a sasquatch related experience with you
in Kentucky or maybe in the areas around Kentucky, if
you could please let them know the best way to
(59:34):
contact you or the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research to
do that.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Sure, you can find the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research
on Facebook. We do not collect stories. We're not a
reporting group. There is too many other groups out there
that do that very thing. The BFRO, you know, different
(01:00:04):
variations of that, and they're a lot better at that
than we would be. We welcome stories because it kind
of leads us to areas that may be fruitful to research,
but we do not post a lot of stuff. It
is strictly there for people to contact us through. You
(01:00:27):
can find that on Facebook. You can find me on
Facebook gene Brock. You can find gene Brock Music, which
is my band. You can contact us there if that's
easier to come up with. But anybody is welcome to
contact me through those means, or you can get my
(01:00:50):
phone number off of the music page. It is located
there and you can call me directly. I have no
problem with people reaching out if you got questions about
what I've talked about, or you just want to call
and talk for a little bit, tell me what you've
experienced anything. I'll welcome all communications.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
So that everyone listening knows. I'm going to post all
that information in the description for tonight's show how to
make it really easy to reach out to Gene and
do that if you like. But having said that, Gene,
of course, I'm looking forward to having you back for
part two. And thanks again so much for coming here
tonight to share those experiences with us.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I really appreciate it my pleasure. I'm always happy to
talk Bigfoot.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Well, it goes two ways. It's been fun.
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Having said that, thanks again so much for your time
and have a great night.
Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and like
to be a guest on the show, please go to
Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd love
to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a great night.
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