White Wolf Woman - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 488

Tonight’s guest, Donna Copas, was featured on Episode 480, and on that show she told us about the first encounter she had with a Watcher. Her dad always called the Sasquatch around their property “Watchers.” On tonight’s show, Donna has come back to share more experiences she’s had with the Watchers with you. We hope you’ll listen to her do that.

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Thanks, as always, for listening!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everybody. I am Donna Copis. I'm a Shawnee descent.
My native name is Wabbie a Yapia timponia, which means
white wolf woman. My dad I grew up. My dad's
a hunter, a trapper. He dug roots. Of course, I

(00:21):
lived on a big three hundred acre farm with everything there.
We don't call the Bigfoot. We call them the watchers
because they watch over us. This is a very sacred
thing for us. They're to us, they're part of our family.
They're very important. We grew up being you know, I

(00:45):
grew up being taught that they're here to protect us.
And the first time that I saw one, I was
six years old. I was diging roots with my dad.
There's a county fair in town. I wanted to go
to the fair, and Dad's rules was you had to
make so much of your own money, even though I
was six. That was just my dad and we were

(01:08):
been digging yellow root patch that day. And after a
while he stood up and my dad wore bib overhauls
and he chewed tobacco, so he took his tobacco out
of his top of his bibs, walked over to a
stump that was close by any ladies tobacco on there.
And then he always called me dookie. He never called

(01:30):
me by dawna. He called me dookie. And he said,
come on, it's time to go. Of course I'm garambling,
you know, I don't want to leave digging my toe
into dirt. And it's like, now we need to go.
And so we had two one hundred pound feedsacks that
are the old burlapped feed sacks because you have to
separate the roots. Roots goes in one tops and the

(01:51):
other because they're sold separate. And so we start walking away,
and of course again I'm kind of like pulling his hand.
I don't want to go, you know, I want to finish,
and he's like, no, come on. And as I look
back beside where I'm digging, probably not more than thirty
feet from where I was digging, this massive, huge black

(02:12):
figure stood up eight foot tall, leave state foot tall,
and it took that tobacco off of the stump. And
of course I'm scared, you know. My dad's like, Dad's like, no,
come on, now, you leave him alone, you'll leave your life.
And it walked back up through the cliffs, back into
the woods and we came on home, and that was

(02:35):
my beginning of my education of being taught about the watchers,
what they were there for. I've interacted with them as
my dad did. My dad was probably three or four.
He was born in a cabin back in the woods,
nineteen twenty seven. So this is literally an old cabin

(02:56):
in the woods. There's no running water, you know, this
isprawater and very deep in the country in the woods.
So that's how he grew up. And his dad before him,
same thing, Hunter Trapper and my grandma was full blooded
Shawney and she interacted with them. It's been handed down,

(03:19):
the stories, the whole thing taught, you know, to respect
them to they're part of us. So that is my
to begin with. I shared that last time I was
on the show a while back, and I kind of
shared that part of my life story then and went

(03:41):
on to like as I grew up, I would have
other interactions with them. I would see him not everyday
sight because like I said, I was on a three
hundred acre farm with horses, cattle. You know, we had everything.
We served. The farm had the orchard, our gardens were

(04:01):
like you know acre. You know, it wasn't like a garden.
These were like fields eleven acre berry patches. So everything
we needed grew there and we canned, and so I
was always in the woods. My dad hunted and he
taught me to hunt. I you know, just like the

(04:21):
boys had two older brothers, and so periodically I would
see them. It was like they were always somewhere around
because that you know, with the root digging, you know,
that was part of our income. So Dad was always
if he went to the woods, he always came back
with something. That's what I was taught. And so as

(04:44):
I grew up, I grew up just being with them.
He taught me the markers like the tree shelters, the wise,
the exes is, you know, marking a trail. They mark
them to say this is a safe area. These you know,
this is part of we call them clans probably, you know,

(05:07):
because with the Shawnee we have our own clans, you know,
different names for different clans, and it's like they kind
of do the same thing. They have different markers for
different parts of them. And so as time came forward,
you know, I grew up, had a family of my own,

(05:29):
moved from the home farm onto my own farm, where
again you know this area is I've never went more
than ten to fifteen miles away from each farm that
I was on, so I was always pretty much in
the same area. So you know, I have my family
and I would always you know, have my little interactions.

(05:51):
I've taught to do the gifting. My thing is my
grandma always bought or she would always bake, like the
homemade apple cakes, cooked the apples, everything is from scratch,
and then make the apple sauce, which was the icening,
and those was part of my gifting. Taught to use
those as gifting. Of course we also did and of

(06:12):
course my dad hunted so or you know, if he
killed a deer, a portion of that would be taken
back to give back. So you know, there's always something
no matter what it was, whether it was Berri's or
whatever that was, that was done. And as my dad
got older, he was eighty four, he had a stroke.

(06:37):
I moved my mom first because she got sick first.
And so when I moved him, within within a month
of we haven't him here, I started seeing his watcher,
you know, I middle of the night. I My room

(07:02):
had glass windows and it set up against the woods,
so I kind of I just always like being able
to see the woods. But I kind of shared that
part last time. But as I, like I said, as
I got older and my dad passed away, I still

(07:27):
interact with them. I still do my gifting. I have
different places, different times I do it. There's a group
that comes and I kind of guide for them. So
over the last couple of years, it seems like there's
been more and more activity, and I think it's because
there is like there's like a four hundred acre it's woods,

(07:50):
it's not not been touched in you know, two hundred years,
no timber has been cut. This was our home, and
now they're cutting those massive trees and they're logging and
they're putting roads in back in there. So last year
there was more of them moving out as there's more

(08:10):
disruption in their area. So I kind of got a
little more action here, some a little more than what
I really wanted. The one morning I was leaving to
go pick up another family member, an elderly family member,
to take her for a doctor's appointment. It's around seven
in the morning and I got to drive out. These

(08:34):
are country roads that you eat on each side, it's
just woods, so you're driving in between like you're driving
in the woods and I came down over a bank
and there was a doe deer. The bank was about
ten feet tall and there was a dough come flying
off that bank. She didn't come down the bank, she
dove off of it into the middle of the road

(08:56):
and it's like four lake sprays out, you know, she
just hit it like splat. I was like, oh my gosh,
you know, where did what happened? And I'm looking at
I didn't see anything, but she's terrified. She's skittering and
trying to get up on her legs and she's sliding
on the on the black top, you know, her hoods
are sliding. And then finally she came to her feet

(09:17):
and went off on you know, onto the other side
and into the woods. So I start moving the car
and I didn't even fifty feet. So there was a
fawn again plow you know, off of the bank. Uh.
And again she hits and now I'm no for certain
there's something chasing. I'm like, well, maybe coyotes, okay, because

(09:38):
we have coyotes, bobcats, we have the hole smiu here
And I look up on that bank and standing there
is a juvenile like a teenager and it's holding a
it's a stump or a you know, a piece of
a log up over its head like and it's probably
this log is probably at least twelve you know, it's

(10:00):
probably twelve inches around, and it's probably their bitter six
bit long. And he's got it up and I have
my window down. I'm looking up and I'm thinking, crap,
it's going to throw it through my windshield. And I'm
satting there looking and it was kind of like when
a you know, a teenager gets mad and they huff

(10:20):
off when they're you know, mad at you. So it
kind of stopped his feet instead of throwing it towards me,
it threw it over through the woods and then it
huffed back up into the woods, back up the bank
and into the woods. So I quickly left because I'm thinking,
you know, I'm just going to get the heck out

(10:42):
of here. And I went on did my thing and
took her to the doctor's appointment, and I came back
and when I came back, I came and got my
eye grown children. So I come back and got my son.
And where it was at there was a lot of
dead trees, so the ground there is soft. It's like
the black dirt, you know, like where the trees rots

(11:06):
and whatever, and it was smooth, so there was its
footprints there in the dirt. And so I was like, well,
that's you know, I if I was questioning myself, you know,
I'm not now. So just things like that. As I've
seen that last year, every everything is getting it's kind

(11:34):
of calmed down now because they've quit logging in that area,
so it's calmed down some. However, over the last three weeks,
I've had a little bit of My granddaughter has been
staying with me. She's seven, and of course, again like
I said, I live in the woods. I mean my

(11:54):
house that's literally there's just woods around me in a creek.
So she likes to stay in the living room. I
have like a fur rug on the floor and she
likes to lay on that watch TV of the night.
And since it school's out, I'm a little more lenient
than mommy is. So we have our little tea parties

(12:15):
and our things, and we play checkers and we do
all this. So she wanted to sit there and play
and I went on off the bed and it was
around probably three in the morning, and she come in
and she's like, Mamma, mamma, there's something looking in the
window at me. Well, being you know seven, I'm thinking, well,

(12:37):
she'd probably seen a reflection or you know, something like that.
So but she'd taken actually taking the couch cushion off,
put it up on that window so to block the
window because I leave my windows open. I like seeing
my woods. I like seeing the deers and the squirrels,
and you know that's just me. So like, okay, she

(13:02):
says she's seen something. Well, a few nights later, I
have a like I said, it's another bigfoot group. He's
from the Nightstalkers. And I was listening to a podcast
that he was doing, and it was around eleven. He
was finishing it up, and they because he has a
lot of calls, like vocals that he's gotten from this area,

(13:22):
some very good ones. It's from the night Stalker group,
Mike Miller. And probably people will know him because he
does a lot of different shows. He does libraries, he
does the whole thing. But I was sitting there listening
to that and those recordings, you know, they have played those.
But in my I have a little bathroom, my little

(13:43):
bathroom where my washer and dryer. Is used to be
a little bedroom, so I turned it into a bathroom,
but I still have the big The window slides back
so I can actually step out of it if I
want to, and of course I don't have a screen
in it. It's over the creek. And being a country
person people, I take my dryer vent off in the wintertime.

(14:07):
It heats the bathroom and helps with the heating bill.
And so I hadn't put my vent back on, and
it was hot in there, so I pushed that window back,
and as I got in there, I heard something move
because there's literally the creek is with, you know, just
a few feet in of that window. And then there's

(14:28):
a big tree, and I heard something moving kind of
like in the leaves. But then I smelt the skunky
smell and I just renched my arm out the window.
I had the phone in my hand because I was
listening to that podcast on my phone. I just kind
of stuck my phone out the window and I snapped
two pictures. And then I come back and finished listening

(14:51):
to the podcast and have to close the window and
all that. I just went to bed, and then the
next morning I checked my You know how you do
you get through your phone, look at the pictures and
I have I blew the face. I have a face.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, it's standing within ten feet of where my
you know, where my arm is stuck out. It's right,
and it's just you know, I can see the face
and kind of a little bit of shoulder area, which
I think is the juvenile. I don't think it's if
you measured from uh, because my house sets up a

(15:30):
little high and where that would have to be for
me to get a picture of the face, it would
probably be coming up on to eight foot tall, you know.
But I don't think a full grown would let itself
be photographed that easily must in my opinion, because that
seems to be how it. I'm surprised I got anything

(15:55):
because I've never actually been able to get an actual
you know it. This isn't like a you know, like
you would take a picture of. You know, this is
in the dark, and I blew it up and you
can see that. But a few strange things has, you know,
I over my lifetime. I have a waterfalls that my

(16:18):
grandson likes to explore, and a few years ago he
found I called a foot that's more like a hand
it's petrified. It has I you put your hand out,
you'd have three fingers. And then there's the other. I
don't know if it's a finger of thumb whatever. Anyway,
it's stone. It's turned to stone, but you can see

(16:42):
the like it's the fingers. But on the end there
is like two inch I want to call it claws.
It's like nails, but it's like claws, so I don't
I honestly, there was two of them. That one is
actually down into a stone. That the one is independent
that we got out out the size of a dinner plate.

(17:06):
The other one, you know this is they're big. The
other one is actually in that stone. So we actually
got was able to get the stone out and bring it.
So strange things we have found in that area. But
this time it was a few days ago. Me and

(17:27):
my son had walked up into the woods around just
walking around, and there at the waterfalls we saw something.
There's moss, you know, and foliage, and we've seen something
sticking out. So he reatches down and he starts pulling
this and as he pulls it out, I realize it's

(17:48):
like hair, and it just gets longer and longer and
longer and Finally I had him stop because in my
brain I'm thinking, wait, I'm not sure what that is,
but maybe I'm messing up vina or whatever. Because it's
about six foot long. It's like dreadlock. There's no skin

(18:10):
on it. It's like you would cut your hair and
you would have really massive dreadlocks. But it is every
bit as white as you know, buttn't half two feet white.
So it's this massive amount. And we brought it home.
Of course it was wet. It has like sticks and

(18:32):
some little vines that's grown through it, and it's hair.
I actually took it and had a taxidermist look at it,
and he's like, yeah, it's hair. I don't know what
it is. I've never seen anything like that. But the
strange thing about that again was I got the I
took two pictures of it. I drapped it over a

(18:54):
chair and I did get two pictures. But the next
morning I'm decided. I thought, well, I'll lay it out
on my couch and make it long so I can
get the full picture of the full length and the size.
But when I tried to take the picture, I couldn't

(19:14):
take the picture my phone. I tried my phone, I'd
find your camera and it just would not. I couldn't.
I could take pictures of every other things, but I
couldnot get that to take. So I'm still scratching my head.
Don't know. I can't explain that I've had. Like when

(19:36):
I do my gifting, I have a cave that I
go do gifting in. It's my dad did it before me,
and probably my grandma did it before her him. But
this area you can't. Like, a flashlight won't work there.
Before you get into that entrance, it's gonna if you
have a watch on your watch will die. If you

(19:57):
have your flashlight, your batteries is just going to No
camera will work. Nothing like that will work. You will
get that hum. It's like a electronical hum. So I
have a torch. I made an old time torch, you know,
like where you take the rag wrap around the end,

(20:18):
put carosene on it or whatever, and I can like
that and then I use that when I go in
because I take my cakes in there. I take my
little gifts and I put them in there, because you know,
it's kind of like a home base, and different things
has just happened. I found that hair, but on this

(20:38):
time that I had you know, I was taken my
stuff into that cave. It was just completely different, a
different feeling, different energy. It was. It was in the wintertime,
so it was kind of it wasn't cold. It was
actually kind of warm that morning when I left. By

(21:01):
the time I got back out, it was kind of
like sleeping, and I'd went by myself. I have a
tendency to do that. I will just pick my stuff
and I'm not really scared. They're kind of like just
part of who I am or whatever. I am cautious,
so I'm never stupid, but I don't do anything to

(21:24):
challenge or intimidate. If anything, I have a I play
like flute music or drumming, that kind of stuff, more
calm type thing. So it's just that the interactions has
gotten quite a bit more over these, you know, these

(21:45):
last two years. But I do know that they're getting
of course, people are moving into the country and they're
moving into the woods, and in this area where they live,
we call it the Valley of the Dead because there's
a lot of native mounds back in there. There's a

(22:06):
lot of burials. And that was the other thing that
somebody had asked me about, was why do the watchers
like the cemeteries. Why do they go to the cemeteries.
And of course with Shawnee, we believe in reincarnation. So
you know, what my dad had told me was, you know,
once you have your watcher, they're watching you to protect you.

(22:30):
But when you pass away, you know they they will
follow you to like kind of like they watch over
the cemeteries there. You know, it's kind of like a
sign of respect or they're watching for you to come back.
So I you know, this is this is just some
of our lures and legends. The other thing was you

(22:53):
know I was going to talk about was the dog
man thing, which we have. There's this the story of
how the dog men were created. This was handed down
again from my Shawnee forefathers way back a couple of
hundred years ago. Some of our shaman, our medicine men

(23:15):
were doing bad things. They kind of turned bad and
they were using the watchers. Some of the watchers they had,
you know, turned them bad. They were there, so they
you know, they were doing bad things. They were coming,
they were stelling women, the children, they were doing bad things.
So the good ones got together and they decided, you know,

(23:36):
they have to battle them. To drive them back. Well,
actually the story says they were sent back underground. But anyway,
so they created the dog men. Now I'm not quite
sure with the dog men thing. There's two different ones.
There's also you know, there's the dog men that are

(23:58):
the warriors, dog men, the fierce warriors. They actually when
they go into battle, uh, they wear the wolf masks
the dog it's not a dog, it's a wolf. And
they stake theirself to the ground and they battle to
the death. They will not unstake theirself. They will fight
to the death or until the battle was over, either

(24:19):
win or they died. That's just the way it is.
Actually the soldiers, the soldiers named the dog men, so,
but it's actually wolf masks that they wear. But in
this story that was relayed to me from them was
the shaman created these dog men which are more powerful

(24:41):
to be to help them battle, to match the strength
of the watchers. So they were half man half yeah. Uh,
it's a wolf. It's not really they say dog fan,
but it's more like wolf. So I had never in

(25:01):
all my years I see the watchers, and I've seen
different ones, different colors, different shapes, different you know. The
whole thing I had never seen that dog man until
October of last year. I did a hike not even here.
This was an entirely different place I had never been to.
The girl asked me to hike with her. She took

(25:22):
me there. It was totally unfamiliar to me, and we
did a six mile hike way deep into the woods.
Had a good day. You know, there was three of us.
We were laughing, joking, you know, it's really there's a
big lake there. It's beautiful. And coming back out it
was getting dark. It was still light, but it was

(25:45):
getting evening time. It was, you know, still enough light
to walk out. But the only way, one way in,
one way out, is you got to walk out the
same way. We were coming down the trail, which is
quite wide, and as I looked down the trail, I
seen a shape, a dark shape, and I first thought
it was a turkey, because I even my ask was like,

(26:07):
do you see that? What is that? I don't know
what is that? I was like, is it a turkey?
Because it's you know, it's kind of like down on
the ground. Not realizing exactly how farwardway we really were,
we just keep walking and walking, and finally we're seeing
this thing's getting bigger. And then we see it's got

(26:28):
it's got a head like a like a German shepherd's
got a head like a dog. And she goes, oh, gosh,
I hope somebody didn't throw a dog out here. You know,
I hate it when they do that. I was like, oh, man,
you know it is a friendly because I carry a gun.
I carry a three eighty. I have a bag and
I carry it in and I don't even know she
knew I had it when we were walking down through there,

(26:49):
because I always I mean, you've got snakes, coyotes, you know,
there's other things. I'm not going to shoot the watchers.
It's not for that, but there is other critters out
there that will hurt you. And you know it's for
three women alone in the woods. So we went a
little farther and there was a dough deer jumped up
off to the right and ran off into the woods.

(27:13):
And I'm watching, and all the time I'm watching, this
figure is getting bigger, and it's like it's tracking back
and forth across the trail, back and forth, just like
like a dog will track a rabbit with no nose
to the ground, back and forth. But it's staying in
the same area, but it just keeps going back and
forth and back and forth. So again we're speculating, is

(27:34):
there's somebody there where they it's that a huge dog,
you know, or somebody throwing a ball? Is that what's happening? What,
you know, because we're getting concerned. Of course, I've got
my walking stick, and the other girl she's looking around.
She's like, I'm gonna find me a stick. So she
finds alongside of the road, you know, the trail there.
She finds a good sized staff sized stick, you know,

(27:58):
just a piece of wood, and we're going on and
then you know there's no way out for us. We
have to pass the area. So well, you know, I've
already pulled my back around and rush in. I flip
my safety and I carry extra clips, and I just
kept my hand down and there thinking, you know, I'm

(28:20):
not that I want to shoot anything, but you know,
we're in the country and there's no one else around,
and whatever this thing is is getting bigger and bigger,
and we're looking at each other and it's like that
is massive, and at the end, you know, we're probably
you know, look and it comes up onto two legs,

(28:41):
and now we're looking at each other like, oh, holy God, almighty,
what is that again? We have to go that way.
We can't get out, and we're not going to go
back into the deep woods, you know, because we're just
be trapped. So we keep going and finally it went
off to the right in the same direction where that
deer went and it disappeared. So we go on and

(29:05):
we get to that area where it was. It is
stone silent. There is no bugs. There's you know, before
there was like the crickets, you know, things chirping, silent,
there's nothing there. Every hare stood up, you know. I'm like,
I'm on I'm on guard, I'm on alarm. What is

(29:26):
that thing? And what where did it go? So we
hurry up and get past there and up to where
the car is. Now. I was driving my daughter's which
she has a knew it's an suv, and of course
it's got to keep bob and you open and shot it,
you know with you know, you unlock your door. It
wouldn't work. The battery was dead. So the one, you know,

(29:48):
the one girl's like, I have to pee, I have
to pee. I guess it's secured to pee however, but
I was like, I'm getting in, So I had to
take the key and unlock the door and I get inside.
And then because I didn't have my phone with me,
she had her phone with her, but I didn't have mine.
I just left it in the car. So the first

(30:09):
thing you reached for, you know, is I'm going to
grab that phone. My phone was dead. It wasn't work,
so I honestly it was. It came up on two legs.
It walked two legs away. It didn't go four legs,
it did two. It had the head and you know
it was like the head was like a dog, you know,

(30:33):
it was like the German shepherd pipe head, but it
was massive. It was like a man massive and where
it was still going, okay, you know it is this.
This is like a massive dog. Somebody is there and
they're playing with it. They you know, is this somebody?

(30:55):
All I know is that I never saw anything like
that before, and to this day, I still, you know,
I question what it was. Was it real? You know,
I seen it. It was real. Whatever it was, it
was physically you know, I could it was physically there.

(31:16):
So that's my dog Man's story. My my watchers are
something different. I like I said, I see them, they
interact with them. I have different vocals from them. I'm
not a researcher, so I don't you know, I don't

(31:36):
have all that ability that's a new way have it
all cleaned up and do all that stuff. I just
have them. Sometimes I call it because it's not like
the violent screams and all that stuff that you know
they get that I hear. It's almost like I call
it a singing. It's peaceful. For me. When I was

(31:59):
like twelve, I would go to the barn and get
my pony. I was terrible when I was six and
I hated school. I'd run away my dad. I promised,
you don't think if you buy me a pony, I
will go to school. Daddy. Well, Daddy bought me a pony.
About three days later, I ran to the woods on
the pony. So I you know, I grew up being

(32:23):
a wild child. I was always I was never afraid
to be in the woods. But there was a creek
below my house. And of course, like I said, I
lived in the country. We didn't have all of you
know that. My enjoyment was to take a book, go
down that creek, lay there's a little waterfalls, and I
would lay there in that water. It was the bottom
of the creek was like blue clay. It was just smooth,

(32:46):
and there was a big rock off to the side,
and I would lay myself up there. Of course, I
had really long My hair has always been long and black,
and my Grandma would braid it until, I mean she
would braid it so tight that it would like pull
off skin on the back of your neck. Then she
would take strips of cloth as she would break into
that and wrap it and then tie it off at
the bottom, thinking it's going to keep me from taking

(33:09):
it loose. Because I'd come home with cockle bars in
my hair. I'd have, you know, twig sticks because I'm
running through the woods and you know cedar groves, the
whole thing. And this day I'd taken my hair down
and I laid those ribbons up on that rock, and
then I kind of fell asleep. I was laying there
in the water, and I kind of fell asleep, and

(33:31):
I woke up, and I think, well, I better hurt.
It's getting the evening time. And I'd ridden my pony
down and I just kind of ground tied him. I
just dropped the bit out of his mouth and loosened
the saddle. Most times I didn't even ride with a saddle.
I just chumpled their back if I had loosened it,
and just let him graze around there while I was playing.

(33:51):
And so I look over and my ribbons are gone,
and I know I'm going to get in trouble because
my grandma all was a very kind, loving woman, but
she did no wonder. She would lose patience with me
because I was always poor. Soul was always chasing me.
And I'm think, oh, my goodness, I'm going to get

(34:12):
in trouble because you know, she doesn't warn me about
taking my hair down. Then I thought I had two
older brothers. I thought, well, they've slipped down here and
swiped those to get me in trouble, you know, just
being brothers. And as I look up though, I seen
through the shadows because it wasn't dark erything, but you know,
I'm in the woods, so that in the cedar grove

(34:34):
the shadows, and I see my ribbons moving like, you know,
like they're going up through the woods. I'm thinking, oh,
what the heck, you know, what took those? And then
I see, you know, I see the shadow and I
realized that, you know, one of the watchers is taking
my ribbons. But the next day on that rock by

(34:58):
side where they took my ribbons from, they left me
behind some shells and stones and an arrow straightener, which
an arrow straightener is a rock with a hole in it,
and you use that. Of course, we made our own,
you know, the flint you nap into the arrowhead, and
then you take the wood and as you take that

(35:21):
stone and you run up and down that stone, it
heats up the wood and it straightens the shaft. So
and then you put your feathers on the end the
whole thing you send you to tie it off. But
there was one of those laying there, which I thought
was pretty amazing, you know, like, oh wow, you know

(35:42):
you can have those you can bring to this kind
of stuff. So it kind of works out like that
over my lifetime. I've gotten last summer again, I had
taken back. I had a hunted and because we'd had
a some high water, some dry or flood here and

(36:03):
a lot of my elders, the electrica went out for days,
so the freezers went down, so they lost a lot
of their meat. So I decided this year or I
would hunt with the boys just to donate. I also
have a poultry farm, so I get about four dozen
eggs a day and I donate those. I just take
them and I give them away. I don't sell them

(36:26):
or anything. But I had taken that back and back
into where the camp is and the cliffs and left that.
And a couple of days later I went back and
there along the trail where I had taken the meat back,
there's a tree and it has like a they broke
a branch and on that branch is like a bigger

(36:49):
arrow straightener. It had ran down over that branch and
it's hanging right there beside the trail, kind of like,
you know, thank you. Oh well that was that was
kind of cool. So I've not you know, people ask

(37:10):
me different questions, and I I try to answer as
truthfully as possible. I don't. Everybody has their own opinions.
I know there's I don't say anything to non believers.
That's entirely up to them. I don't try to push
my views on anybody else. I just don't. I I

(37:31):
I actually had gotten it's been a couple of months
ago because I call them the watchers. I call them
the watchers because they watch over us. That's how I
was taught. And I know about the Bible part about
you know, the watchers came, they were the and I

(37:52):
had children with the humans and the sire. I know
that story. I know all about that. But as I
say said before, I don't get into religion or I
don't get into politics. That's not part of me. But
I am Shawnee Natives did not have the white Man's Bible.

(38:12):
You know. That came with the white man. And I
thoroughly respect all religion I do. I have nothing bad
to say about it. But our religion is ours. You know,
we call things different things. We call Creator, you know,
a great spirit because you wanted to that is That's
who we are. We worship. You know, the earth is

(38:34):
very sacred to us. The creatures of the earth is
very sacred to us. I know everything. So I was like,
what you know they're saying my watchers are evil or what? No, No,
I don't I know that story and I'm sure that
was you know that that part is not nothing to

(38:56):
do with me or why I use that terminology. Uh,
there is good and bad, you know, with even with
the watchers just like human beings. Sometimes they have a
bad day. Sometimes we have a bad day where anger
is coming out, you know more or you're having a
happy day, and so you're you're more likely to be

(39:18):
more friendly. So cautious is you know, this is my
middle name. I always you know, I'm very respectful. But
I'm not stupid. To me. They're just part of who
I am and part of my family. So I guess

(39:40):
I'm just trying to you know, I'm not doing I
do this because with the way things are changing, and
I tell my stories because I have a worry. You know,
I talk to my elders. Before I ever ever told
in the first story, before I ever shared anything. I
had to get from me from the older people. Of course,

(40:02):
I'm older myself too. I'm not young, but they are.
They're older than wiser than me. And I asked them
and we talked it over and we you know, with
the way things is happening and the more interactions, there's
more there's more lines that you know there's going to
be violence or things can happen. Maybe if people understand

(40:27):
a little more and they're not so apt to say,
you know, it's a bear or you're crazy. There's no
such thing. And then you decide, oh wow, I like
the country, and I'll go here and build me a
house in the woods in the countryside, whereas all this
is beautiful. And then you have your animals and you
have your children, and then all of a sudden something

(40:48):
happens and one of these big guys steps out, and
you know, you antagonize him or you do something, and
bad things could happen. So I are you could you know,
decide you want to take a shot at them. And however,
I will say with the watchers, they have the ability

(41:08):
to be right there and you can't see them. I
don't think it's magical. I think it's kind of like
the chameleon. You know, it's a cloaking. It's like a snake.
You know, different snakes can lay in the grass or
the weeds beside it. You won't see them. You know,
you can step on them, you won't see them until
it's too late and they got you. So I see that,

(41:33):
I see their shimmer. I've seen them. You know, if
they they don't hide as much from me as you know,
there's times you know that they're not going to step
out for me or whatever. I don't go out and
shake hands with them every day or give them a hug.
That's not what I do. But when when you see them,

(41:55):
you know, it's kind of like they want you to
see them. And if they don't want you to see them,
they can be staying within feet of you and you
won't see them. The smells are different. You have the
bad smells, which I think part of that maybe is
age wise, and maybe even what they've been eating or
what they got into. You know, it's like get outside playing,

(42:19):
you know, they come in and they've been And my
son used to have a dog that he loved, but
the dog likes skunks and he would periodically come in
smell like skunk. You know, it's like, oh my god,
you're the dog again. You let the dog at the skunk.
So I've smell them where they're like honeysuckle, you know,
that earthy smell. It's not bad the wet dogs smell.

(42:46):
So everything is a little bit different. But all in all,
they are you know, they're just part of the earth
and they've always been here there, don't I mean, you
can have bobcats living on your property. They can be

(43:07):
right there and you're not. You know, you might not
see them, you might hear them. You won't know until
they're either you know, stealing your chickens or causing a
ruckus somewhere. Then me they eat there. We have all
kinds of things that you know, just and if you
think about in the country, there's food supply everywhere. This

(43:28):
like my little creek, it has turtles in it, it
has minnows, it has the you know, crawled ads, bullfrogs.
You know, there's an abundance of that kind of stuff
that they can eat. And they also like the plants.
That's the other thing I do. I grew up with
my grandma showing me I can walk out into the woods,

(43:51):
into the fields or whatever. I gather what we call greens,
you know, different ones, and you cook it and you
put some get in there or just either your bacon,
grease or whatever, and you have a meal. That's you know,
that's how I grew up. You don't have to be
you know, I can. I can make a meal. You know.

(44:14):
There's all kinds of things there. There's all kinds of
herbs that you use for your healing. I make different
stuff medicine. I have a linement that I make that
I use for I work with a lot of veterans
that have a lot, a lot of pain and you know,
their bones and they've been hurt and their pain level,

(44:38):
and I put that on their and it's like they
have this thing of different ones. They moved joke about
it and I was like, here comes my angel. Can
you just so I have a little baggy and I
put that on there. You know, it's it's just it's
a lineament and there's no narcotic in it. They can
get that relief without you know, having to have that

(44:59):
kind of stuff. Well, also the watchers also have that ability.
They know what is growing here. They're not stupid, you know.
This is the animals know what to eat and what
not to eat, what's gonna hurt them and what's not,
and so do they. So it's like my story about

(45:20):
my grandma and the green onions. My grandma, my dad's mom,
loved green onions, wild green onions, and she would go
out and my dad said, when he was little shit,
he would go with her and there was a place
a patch because there's like the wild green onions, but
like the dandelion, not the flower, but the actual green

(45:43):
you know, the leafy you take that and that is
like let us you take the wild green onions, you
take that, you chop that up, and then you take
your bacon and you chop your bacon up and you
render that until with the grease. This is old time
stuff because people choestral. But you put that in there
and then you take that bacon grease and you put

(46:04):
all that over it and it makes a salad. Oh
my god, it is so good. But with like brown
beans and biscuits, and you know, this is an old
time fried potatoes. That's an old time supper, you know.
So but my grandma would go and get those green
onions and she like them, so she would sit there

(46:24):
and just you know, you peel off the you know
how to clean green onions, You just peel that off them.
And she would sit there and eat them. And Dad
said she would be setting there getting those green onions,
and on the other side of the patch there would
be a watcher there doing the same thing. It's getting
the onions. Like green onions too, So they shared, you know,
that that onion patch. So it was where my dad

(46:51):
grew up at you So I have pictures. I have
a picture of my dad's sitting on the front porch
with his brother and cousin. It's back in the woods.
It's not there's no town, there is no people. It's
an old time log cabin. And they lived that. That's

(47:12):
their life, and that's how he grew up. They grew
up living off the land, hunting, fishing, trapping, and you
know that was back then. People had jobs, but it
was different stuff, so you had to learn to, you know,
take care of yourself and your family. And Dad grew

(47:34):
up that way. And I Dad had a job like
you know, he worked with your job, but he never
gave up his old time. He handed it down. I
mean my brothers did it, my older brothers and me.
That's how I grew up. You know. Dad went to
the woods. We raised tobacco everywhere. Whatever he did, I

(47:54):
did the hunting. If I killed it, I had to
be able to skin it. And if you killed it,
you better be going to eat it because that was
the rule. You did not waste anything. And I still don't.
If I take a deer, I still use the skin.
We pull this in you for wrapping. Because my son

(48:16):
does napping, He makes bone knives, he takes the like
the leg bones and he makes knives all of them,
even down to when you break them. There's a groove
and in those bones that he uses for the blade,
which is the blooter. That's what we call him. So
when you like, you kill a deer, you have to

(48:37):
bleed them. That has that shaft, so we do not
everything is used. Everything. If you want to kill an animal,
then you have respect. They gave their life, so that's
our way of respect. You know, they gave their life
for us to have this, So you're not going to

(48:57):
waste any part of it by throwing it away, you know.
And with the watchers that you know they're there and
that's my honoring them. And because they watch over me,
I feel like they are my protectors, so I you know,
I feel protected of them and I want to make
sure they have everything they need and you know, not

(49:20):
that they need me to do it. They take very
good care of themselfs But it's just kind of a
it's a give and take. So they're good to me,
I'm good to them. I see the earth has changed,
you know, everything is changing, the weather is changing. It's
not like even when I was a child. You know

(49:41):
that it's so different. I could run to the woods
and I could play and be safe, and you didn't
have to worry about anything. Uh you know, even with
you know, we grew our own. We didn't have to
worry about preservers as head. We just everything was just
my grandma caned everything. So those days are over because

(50:04):
of people just don't know how to do that anymore.
And yeah, to me, I I was raised in the
old way, so I guess I'm partial to that kind
of stuff and I plan on continue to do that.
I actually am going to start a thing. It's called

(50:25):
Daughter of a Mountain Man, and I'm going to be
doing some lessons and for the young ones to learn
to I actually started this year with my granddaughter of
what the plants are that you can eat, where you
can collect them, what's good, what's bad, what not to do?

(50:45):
You know that kind of thing. I just kind of
kind of working on that to hand it down. And
I want her to feel safe with the watchers too.
I want I want her to be safe. I don't
want to do anything that would put her in danger
or anybody else. And if she learns the respect and

(51:08):
she's I have I have multiple grandchildren, not just her,
so she shows an interest. Most doesn't. They don't want
to know about it or full with it scares them.
I have one granddaughter that we actually went out. She's
like the first coyote I hear, I'm out of here.
That's it. I'm gone. It's like okay. So we had

(51:33):
on that night, we had actually went to it's a
cemetery that's been relocated from the eighteen hundreds and it slid.
We had a landslide and it was sliding the graves
into the creek and we had activity there from the
watchers were there actually when I had I came down
with another person and they saw, you know, they could

(51:57):
see the eye shine and stuff. So I came back.
I was like, well, you know, they kind of got concerned.
So I was like, well, let's just leave. And I
came back and my daughter came with me, but she's
she wouldn't get out of the car. So I had
she had set up the camera on the car and
I actually got a recording because I got some very

(52:19):
good vocal from across the creek when the graves they
have tarts they're relocating. Did a great job, a wonderful
you know, just a wonderful job of relocating it and
getting everything that could be salvaged back because these graves
were some of them were colera graves and people died

(52:40):
from cholera and you know, early mid eighteen hundreds. So
what I found fascinating was that the watchers were there,
They're still watching over that graveyard, and I just thought
that was just to me, that is just really special.

(53:04):
It's kind of like, that's that's something you know that
when I first, you know, she was recording and I
could hear it. She didn't really hear it to begin with,
but I'm kind of used to hearing them, so I
heard it across the creeks pretty wide, but in the
woods on the other side, I heard the house like, okay,

(53:28):
so I'm not doing anything. I'm just you know, and I,
you know, I went ahead and left. But so that's
that's kind of my life and my story, multiple multiple things.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
That's what I call an exciting life. When you live
on a property that has a clan of watchers living
on or around it, does it seem like one watcher
is going to interact with each person on the property
more so than others, or do this seemed to just generalize.
You never know which watcher's going to focus on you.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I know from what I have experienced myself, was like
my dad, if my dad was alive, he would be
over one hundred years old. Well, he would be right
at one hundred years old. And the watcher that came,
like I said, within a month of me having Dad here,
he came and he would stand there massive. He's massive, massive.

(54:27):
And the first night I saw him, you know, he
had been there like three nights. I was sensing him
there and smelling him. But the first night I saw
him was when I you know, I came out and
I'm thinking it's a bear. So I and I carry
a gun again. I'd go at midnight to put Dad
to bed because he'd had a stroke and he didn't
walk very well. So when I got, you know, I'm

(54:50):
it was a short distance from my front door. And
I put that mobile home right in my front yard,
so you know, it wasn't far. But when I came
out and I got there and I see that black shape,
it's a big old cedar tree. I'd left in my
yard when I put my house in, because I bought
vacant ground and developed it, and so I hurry up
in the house, and Died is in there and he's like,

(55:12):
what the world's wrong with you? Are you crazy? I
was like, did there's a bear out there? And he's
like no. I was like, I'm telling you there's a
bear out there. He's like, well, you show me. So
I helped him up and helped him over to the door,
and he looks out and he kind of laughed a
little bit and he's like, you leave him alone. He'll
leave you alone. He's just watching. And I go, you know,

(55:32):
in my head it clicks in my eyes, like did
you don't mean And he's like, yeah, he said, it's
all right. He won't bother you. He's just watching. But
he would stand there behind that tree and he watched.
And there was only that one time that I had
the really violent experience. And I still don't know to

(55:53):
this day that it was him that did it, or
whether it was another one that came into the area.
But again, it was like three in the morning. I'd
put Dad to bed at midnight and I went back
to my house and I always left those my bedroom
door open, and you know, I had the big windows,
and I heard these frendous screams I mean, these screams

(56:17):
were like violent, like an elephant trumpeting, and just this
just screams, and I jump up, and I always keep
I have a British infield. It's a three o three.
It's a big army rifle. It's in nineteen seventeen, and
I would leave that. I keep it by the door,

(56:38):
not for the watchers, but for other reason. I live
in the countries. And I didn't pick it up though
I had brought a holover from dads. He had one
left a young pig, and I moved it. Of course,
now she's grown up. She's a big, full grown sow,
probably placed four hundred pounds, so you can imagine when
she stood up. She's way taller than I was, so

(56:58):
her pen was tall so she could because it'll come over,
you know. And I, for some crazy reason, I've come out.
I'm there. I'm a widow, so I'm come out. I'm
by myself, and i'd have a nightgown on, barefooted, you know.
And I just walked down past guides and down to

(57:19):
where around to where I hear that screaming, and it's moving,
and it moved towards the hall pen. So I got
down there and I'm standing there and I'm thinking, I
still hear it screaming. It went like it walked over
into the pig pin. It left footprint, footprint went out
the other side, down into the creek, across the creek

(57:41):
and then to where the chicken coop was, and it
just destroyed my chicken coop. I I mean, it was
you know, it wasn't a great big, big, big pin,
but it just just demolished it. Just like it just
just walked through like like somebody being mad and just
hitting stuff, you know, like you get really mad you
and it just like smashed it. You know. His chickens

(58:03):
are flying everywhere, and it just keeps going. And I'm
standing there and I'm thinking, old crap, you're out here
and nobody knows you're out here. Dad cannot get outside.
I have no one to protect me, and I don't
have gun. So, you know, we get back to the house,
so I have to go back up the driveway and
back and I get into my house and I stand

(58:26):
at the front because again in the front of my
house when I did it, it's windows because that way
I could see out straight into Dad's. And I'm standing
there and I hear the screams. Oh my god, if
I can, I can't describe to you how horrendous those
screams were. And it just keeps going. And then God
had his old dog was a bull mask and a

(58:47):
pit bull mix, so he's a big dog and he
was I heard him scream. And when I heard him scream,
you know, your first instinct is to go help. But
I could not go out that door. I physically could
not get out that door. It's like something stopped me.
Whether it was my own fear, you know, I just

(59:08):
you know, I couldn't. I couldn't do it. And but
it moved on, you know, it went on down about
six miles or well, it's probably about two miles to
where the old lady's house was. One down the road
at the end you go out onto the main it's
like it's it's a country road. But when you get
on down there's a main highway. And she's down there

(59:29):
and she had little dogs, a very elderly lady. And
I heard it going that way. Well, she called the cops,
who came out. You know, the deputy comes out and
I you know, he comes up through and I go
out and talk to him and he's like, oh, you're
just hearing coyotes. I said, okay, you know, no, it's
not coyotes. But whatever you say, I'm not going to

(59:49):
argue with him, you know, I just let him go on.
It traveled, you know, on up about six miles farther
on up there's a lane and then back all the
way back the end of that hollow is where my
daughter her house is there, and that's where it ended up,
back in those woods back there. But all the way
up through there it attacked dogs. It attacked dogs all

(01:00:11):
the way up through there, and Dad's dog I found
him the next day. He was alive, and amazingly, he
was alive. They had been bitten through like the hindquarters
and private parts of these giant It's like it would
pick it up and just went, you know, but it
was so massive, well you know how big you know

(01:00:33):
it bowl my ass, you know how big that is.
The client's quarters are as big. And it was just
like it picked it up like a chew toy and
bit down through there and the teeth went in so far.
I didn't think he would live. I didn't think there's
any way this dog was going to live because it
went in, you know, the punctures were so big, but

(01:00:54):
I mean he did, But those footprints I did. I
had those to those that my big house burned a
few years ago. My brother had his cabin was back
there and it caught a far and it spread back
to my big house. So I'm now in a smaller
cabins down closer to the road because when Mom and

(01:01:17):
Dad being sick and getting closer for the life squads
and that kind of thing. But I had those in
my house up there. They were eighteen inches long, and
that's long and then wide, you know, they're they're like
at least nine wide, so they were pretty big. But

(01:01:41):
it just you know, when it stepped over this fence.
You know, this fence is like six foot up, you know,
I mean, it's hit and it just stepped over. And
of course the mud, you know, there's it's big pants,
so it's mud, it's soft mud, and it left those behind.
So but I still to this day do not know,

(01:02:02):
because the next night Dad's was back. It was no
there was no violence, there was no screaming. It just
simply back to being normal. And then when Dad passed away,
you know, within like a week of dad passing away,
he went away. I do see him. I know it's

(01:02:24):
the same one because he's down to three toes now.
But he's white, you know, so I speculate that his age,
you know, Dad would have been right at one hundred.
So this this his is older. You know, he's he's white.

(01:02:45):
You know, it's I guess in my you know, my
logic in my mind is that just like us, as
we get older, our hair gets white. So as they
get older, they're for changes. So that's the way I
look at it. You know, whether I'm right or not,
I don't know, but you know, it's just kind of

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my theory.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Holy cow, really makes you wonder what got into that
watcher to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Make it act that way, Something made it mad, something
heard it, or something got close to its family. You know,
it's it still baffles me. Was that dad's or was
that a rugue that came in? Were they fighting? You know?

(01:03:35):
Were they both there? Were they both fighting this? You know,
my dad's objecting to this new one coming in to
that theory. I don't have an answer to that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
You know, it was That's been many years ago, and
I'm still like baffled. But other people's heard it. I
don't think and hear anybody say they actually seen it.
But multiple people heard those screams, and everybody's like, what
was that my dog? You know, this whatever that was

(01:04:10):
attacked my dog? What what was that? So the one
woman is from Blue Creek. She had her dogs in
a kennel and it ripped the kennel apart, and she
had German shepherds and they dove through, you know, like
the sliding glass doors. The dogs burst through the door

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through the glass. That's how terrified they were. She's like,
they scared that I don't. She's like, they because we
were in the same store and I had not said
nothing to anybody, and she was in a local store
there she was talking. She's like, something happened at my house.
It was the exact same night. And because I said
I stoodn't listened for a little bit before I ever

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said anything. And then finally she's like, it was all
these like really horrible screaming and then my dogs and
so we kind of compared notes and she's like, yeah,
that's what happened, you know, at my house too. So
it's just within miles of each other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Wow, that is rough. Thank goodness, you haven't had any
other nights like that one night since because.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
That is no, I didn't. Uh, that was scary. Uh.
I'm used to the more calm and I just never
I never experienced that before. You know, that was that

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was different.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Oh I'm sure why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah, that's why I say, you know, they can as
I've had more good experiences than ever any bad. But
that happened. And probably if I was stupid and I
had not turned around and got the heck back in
the house, whatever was going on, what was enraging it,

(01:06:05):
you know, it might have decided to take it out
on me. So if you would have seen the chicken coop,
I mean it was like you would have like Godzilla attacking,
you know, or you just it's just smashed. It was

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just smashed and ripped and thrown. And I was like,
there's no if they wanted to come in your house,
there is no door or window that would keep them out.
I can tell you that because they just smashed through it.
There's you know that maybe if you had you know,

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if it was like brick or you know, probably take
a little longer to get in. But I don't think
you could keep them out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Oh, No, he definitely couldn't. It always cracks me up
when I hear people who are afraid of sasquatch talk
about retreating to the safety of their homes. Well, like
you said, if they wanted to get you, they're going
to get you, and that's all there is to it.
But having said that, Donna, we're out of time. We
need to wrap this up. But before we do, I

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just want to thank you so much for coming back
on and sharing all these experiences with us. I really
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Oh well, thank you for the opportunity. Like I said,
I thoroughly enjoyed myself. And I don't know that I
do any good one way or the other. But things
is changing, they really are, so I hope somewhere along
the way it makes a little bit of difference.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Oh, I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Having said that, thanks again so much for your time
and have a great night.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
That's it for episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff.
If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to
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