April 25, 2025 • 44 mins
In this week’s episode, we’re getting real about navigating career highs, lows—and everything in between.
Mandi hosts a live coaching session with LaKesha J., a member of the Mandi MoneyMakers community, who is trying to figure out how to position herself for career growth after she was laid off by her company and narrowly escaped unemployment by finding a role on a different team.
Next up, we get into the messy, grown-up decision-making that comes with a career crossroads. Do you take the severance and walk away clean—or stay for the long game, with perks like full vesting, pension benefits, and even a company-covered master’s degree? We’re breaking down the pros and cons, talking real numbers, and helping you think through how to align your career moves with your long-term goals.
And to close things out, we’re diving into two fields where the future is already here: data analytics and cybersecurity. Whether you’re eyeing a new lane or looking to level up where you are, we’re talking certifications, AI trends, and the skills that’ll keep your résumé future-proof. It’s a reminder that learning is a lifelong flex and staying curious is the best career insurance out there.
This episode is a celebration of courage, clarity, and the power of making moves—even when it’s scary. Tap in for real talk, big insights, and a whole lot of motivation to keep betting on yourself.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was literally like a phantom meeting on my calendar,
and I was just like, oh, I'm getting right off today,
and I'll be very honest the interviews that I was doing,
all the things that you hear about some recruiters ghosting
and not getting back and being kind of unprofessional, I
did encounter that. I did not encounter that all two
and a half years ago. Like it's a completely different
(00:21):
job market.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, hey, va fam, it's your girl, Mandy Money and
welcome back to Brown Ambition. Now, for those who are
new around here, maybe you are joining us because you
heard my interview on the Way Up with Angela Yee,
or you recently checked out my interview with the incredible
(00:44):
married to real estate stars Egypt Sharad and Mike Jackson,
or you just stumbled across this show because you're like, hey,
I'm ready to have a show that centers us in
conversations about money, career moves, and everything in between. Regardless, welcome,
you were in the right place. Today's episode is pretty special,
(01:04):
and I know it's going to hit home for so
many of you. I was recently on a coaching call
with one of my beloved Mandy money makers, So for
those who don't know. Mandy Moneymakers is the community that
I've run, and it started out as a career coaching community,
but really it's become a sisterhood. It is a group
where women from across the country we gather together and
(01:26):
we support one another through professional challenges. And I'm obviously
I'm there to coach Mandy Moneymakers as they are negotiating
their careers. And I mean like literally negotiating like compensation offers,
but then just negotiating the ups and downs of our careers.
And Lakeisha is one of the very first women to
(01:47):
join the Mandy money Makers when I launched it back
in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, and Lakeisha
came on the show because she had recently been let
go from her job in finance and this was hitting
out a top. This was back in February or so,
and I wanted Lakisha to come on the show because,
first of all, when you're a many moneymaker, I am
(02:07):
showing up for you all the time, Okay. So I
offered Lakisha like a half hour like quick coaching session,
and I wanted to share it with y'all because what
Lakisha's going through is so universal for what is happening
in our economy right now. We're going to talk about
the fact that she got laid off, We're going to
talk about so much more. We're going to talk about
(02:28):
the emotional toll of getting laid off, what it feels
like to get underpaid and undervalued, how she's rebuilding her
confidence in a job market that is was not kidd
It is wild right now. And Lakeisha is also impressing me. Honestly,
She's learned so much in the past few years. So
she's dropping gems for y'all and talking about how she's
(02:50):
been leveraging her network and how she has stayed ready
for new opportunities to find her and has been able
to make bold career moves even though it feels like
the odds have been stacked against her. So, if you're
listening and if you've ever questioned your worth, if you've
been laid off, if you've recently been laid off, if
you are worried you're going to be let go, or
(03:11):
if you're just feeling stuck in your current role, this
episode is for you. Let's get into it. Here is
my session with Lakeisha. Thank you again, Lakeisha for sharing
and being so vulnerable and ba fam. If you like
what you're hearing, don't forget to follow the show on
Apple podcast and Spotify and leave a review. It takes
(03:32):
less than thirty seconds and it makes all the difference. Enjoy.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I'm proud of you for coming to the group and
saying you were let go, because that's definitely something that
I know other makers have had happen and they've just
not shown up and sort of like stewed in the
I don't know what emotions, probably like a shame.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Or shack isn't bare, especially the way it's happening, exactly
the way that you see on TikTok, like a lot
of times, particularly for me because I am one hundred
percent remote. So it was literally like a phantom meeting
on my calendar. I think that was Monday morning, or
maybe it was Tuesday. It was January fourteenth. It was
(04:18):
kind of like a phantom meeting, and I was just like, Oh,
I'm getting laid off today because of the language and
it's an important matters. Soon I said, oh, yeah, I'm
gettinglaid off today, and I reached out to one of
my text one of my coworkers and I said, I'm
getting laid off today, and she's like, oh, no, it's fine.
I got the same message, and I'm thinking, well, I
(04:40):
we're both getting laid off.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But it can be like a jarring shocking thing because
it's like within a matter of like what maybe like
a five to ten minute call, you get this notification.
So I can see it being embarrassing shocking a lot
of people in the team worst shell shock because a
lot of the people have been there. I was the
least tenured person everybody else fifteen twenty five, thirty five,
(05:08):
thirty years. So wow.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And you had been there for a couple of years, right.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I've been there for two and a half years, almost
exactly to the day.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And you and I, like I coached you when you
got that job. You were coaching. When did you join makers?
You were one of the ogs, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And so because from brown ambition, of course, I don't
hold them up phone like a crazy person.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Anything. I don't have like a ring, like actually I
do have a ring, like it's just missing some pieces.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Ye. The lighting is amazing, girl. I'm in my basement
in the corner and it's dark and twisty down here.
So don't feel any don't feel don't feel self conscious
about that. Well, I want to use this half hour,
but how do I I want to use this half
hour in the best way possible, and I want it
to be all about you and sort of like, what
exactly is the challenge for you right now? I know
and shared that you were let go from your job
(06:03):
in finance, right or treasury kind of thing for a
financial company I won't say the name. And it was
like death by a thousand cuts, right. They had been
laying off people, and so you felt that's the worst
you feel it creeping up, right, So tell me it's
been a couple of months since then, what's your what
do you feel like your main challenge is right now?
(06:23):
And like what's keeping you up at night? If anything?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So the good thing is I was able to find
another role internally with the same company, so they laid
us off from January fourteenth and February fourteenth. I was
extended an offer internally. And so I know it may
seem like, well, why are we on the call? So
it's a couple of things. I would No, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I'm just saying I'm happy for you. Damn, I wish
you had told us. Did you tell us?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I thought I thought I said something, But I think
also kind of like the climate of it. I was like, well,
you know other people have but other people that I
discovered that had been laid off, I was reaching out
to them like separately, like hey, can do you want
to review each other's resumes? And YadA YadA yadda, And
so I did tell them, and I was like, Hey,
(07:14):
these recruits will reaching out to me, Can I pass
your name off to them? Kind of thing. So I
may have said it in the group to everyone, but
I know that the people that I was connecting with
that had also recently been laid off, i'd spoken to
them because I was like, hey, can I just kind
of pass you off to those like external recruiters that
have been reaching out to me?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, you're so compassionate and you're almost to a fault,
you know, I think that even to take this call.
You were like, I don't know, I kind of should
I take this spot because I don't know if I'm
the right person. Like here, girl, if you don't come
get this.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Spot, Like I was, just like, so many people been
laid off. You know federally and you know, corporate and
even local government. But I was like, well, you know,
I still do have some questions and some things that
I'm working on.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, so what's your big question? Then what's your big
challenge right now?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
So to your point, I did feel the layoffs coming.
So and one thing that one of the many great
things about makers is that you teach us to just
always be looking. So I had even taken like a
couple of interviews during my two and a half years,
like before well almost two years before I felt the
layoffs coming. So I'd always been in contact with recruiters.
(08:24):
So even that the day they announced the layoffs, I
hit control alt to lead. I'm like, I'm taking the
rest of the day off, and I reached out to
a recruiter who had reached out to me two days before.
It's like, hey, it's the opportunity still exist. But with
that that was just like entirely too far away. That
was like an hour and a half away from my home,
and they didn't want to do hybrid. And then my
(08:46):
thought was, well, even if I talked them into hybrid,
at any time, they could say no, we need you.
In all five days and I just simply me and
my eleven year old car just can't take.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Three hours a day, and that's without trying to right.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And you know the area I live in, so I'm
in Maryland and so it's it would be close to
DC where I was going, so there's gonna be traffic.
So that was always a good thing. So I was
always on the lookout. But here's the thing. When I
got the role, It's a lateral move. And so what
they did, they were really smart and crafty. What they
(09:24):
did was our raises take effect March, and so they
were like, well, since you were about to get a raise,
and this is the lateral move, we're just gonna bump
you up. What it was, so there was kind of
like no room for negotiating a higher salary basically I
and I did try trust me, but of course keeping
(09:47):
in mind like, well, you're also about to get laid
off and then I'll be very honest the interviews that
I was doing, all the things that you hear about
some recruiters ghosting and not getting back and being kind
of unprofessional, I did encounter that. I did not encounter
that all two and a half years ago. Like it's
a completely different job market, So I'm thinking the recruiters
(10:09):
are kind of being a little shaky, and I'm glad
I took the role because the other role that I
was seriously entertaining, they came back and said they went
with another candidate. So even before I was like, they're
definitely going to lay us off, I did want a
higher salary, so that's why I was fine with looking.
So now I feel like I'm in a position where
(10:30):
at least for another year, right, because at this company,
you have to stay in the role for a year
before you post out to anything else, whether it be
a promotion within the group or elsewhere, a.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Job on different like internally somewhere else like you did
for this one.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Even if I still have to wait a year, which
I'm not opposed to that because quiet as it's kept,
I do see the value in my role in at
least sometimes being in the office, so even if that's
two days a week, so I would be opposed to that.
So now it's kind of like I feel like I'm
locked in for at least another year at this salary.
(11:06):
And then this is a difficult year for everybody to
be looking, right, because we have that's why I said,
I'm just gonna take this role while they're offering I'm
not going to look any further. Because it's like we
have the college graduates, we have the federal employees who
sometimes have three and four degrees because they just kept
going to school because it was being paid for.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Interesting stories. Interpretation of the why what she wants today?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I do always do that, but I just say because
I don't, because I know these people love. I would
say most of my friends are within the federal government,
and they do fall into that demographic of I just
went through a breakup, Let me go get a master's
another master's. So like, they do have lots of degrees
and not the amount of student loans right because they
(11:57):
were paid for. And then there are other corporate peoples.
So I was like, okay, let me play it safe
because I like having gas, an electric, and shelter, and
they had offered a severrance. So my ideal plan was
I'm going to take this sovereigns and find another high
painting job. How many were they offering, either fourteen or
fifteen I think maybe fifteen, you know which, considering the
(12:20):
short amount of time that I've been there, I don't
think that I wasn't expecting that amount of servers at all.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That's good compared to what I've seen, you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Know, yeah, comparatively because the last time with the layoff,
they were basing it on tenure, so it was two
weeks per year of service. And if that would have
been the case for me, yeah, I would have had
one check plus my on my PTO and whatnot. So
now my challenge is I never answered the question is
(12:50):
should I dedicate myself fully to looking for work elsewhere
or gearing up for that year to look somewhere else
within the company, or should I kind of like play
it safe. Because then the other part is I was like, well,
speaking of degrees, they have this program where if you
take a certain major, they don't reimburse you, they just
(13:11):
pay for it up front your company. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So I was thinking, well, you know, if I stay
around another year, I'll be invested fully the four one
K and the pension of though obviously my pension won't
be a whole lot only haven't been there on.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The pension and the four to one K, Like the
vesting schedule deep to start over since you moved to Oka,
no schedule for your four one K you're talking about
for the match that they're giving you.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, yeah, to keep the match, which isn't you know,
it's not a huge deal. But I was only like
a I was only like a years and change away,
So you know it's four.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Years, so you would have had to work four years
to get the match, right, that has been accumulating. Okay,
that's a nice little carrot. I can see how that
would get right.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So then, and like I said, the pension that they
have and so now I'm like, well, if they're going
to pay for me to go to school, maybe I
should get this masters that I was looking at. And
like I said, the beauty of it is, it's not
a reimbursement. It's a if you take within this you
know this list, which is something that I was interested
in any way, Like, I'm not making it fit into
(14:18):
that list. Yeah, we'll just pay for it out right.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So I'm just like, maybe, wait, so they would pay
for it upfront? Okay, what are the strings attached? Would
you have to stay there a certain amount of time?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
No, that's why I think I want to the only
thing I would say strings here are the strings is
they have certain schools and they're all real I shouldn't
say real schools. They're all accredited, nonprofit, non for profit schools.
So I couldn't just, for example, say oh, I want
to go to University of Baltimore, Like there are certain
(14:53):
schools that they have for certain majors. So I would
say those are the strings. Oh, even if I wanted
to go to University of Maryland, which they do offer,
I could not go in the classroom. I have to
do online, which is strings for some people, is not
for others. You know, some people do learn better. So
those are the only strings that I would say. But no,
(15:14):
I checked, I double checked. I called HR. I've spoken
to people who have been in the program, people who
are in the program, took a break. People. We are
almost done with the program, and there's no obligation of
now you have to stay two years, three years, or
what have you.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's unusual but great. I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah. So this, I was like, let's think about this.
Since I will potentially be staying for another year, let's
make it work.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And was this available to all employees or do you
have to stay there for a certain amount of time? First?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think once you passed six months, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, Hey, ba fam, We're gonna take a quick break,
pay some bills, and we'll be right back. Welcome back,
bea fam. Let's get back to the show. So we
try to recap and see if I'm hearing things correctly.
So in January, you were being let go from your
position at this financial firm, but in tandem with that,
(16:09):
you had already been in the running for another position
at the company, and so it just so happened that
those things overlapped, so you could have if you had
been laid off, you would have gotten these fourteen weeks.
But you had another opportunity pop up, and so instead
of taking the severance and piecing out, you decided, you know,
the job market is nuts. Let me take this offer
(16:30):
and I'll stay within the company and I'll you know,
ride out however long I can. And Okay. And then
when you took that new internal role at the lateral move,
and you were on track to receive a raise this
march already, and instead of giving you an opportunity to
(16:51):
negotiate compensation, they said, well, we're just going to give
you like you're gonna get a raised soon, so we'll
just keep your compensation where it is. Am I understanding
that right?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So now you're at a place where you already thought
you were being underpaid before, and they've so you're pretty
much at a zero netnet zero like net net the
same as far as your earnings. You're going to get
a pay bump this month. How many percentage points are
three percent? So barely cost of living and creating at
the same place.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So you were feeling underpaid before, you're still underpaid, but
at least you have some job security, right right? Okay,
So now you're wondering should I be?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And also you have this challenge where you are tied
to staying with this organization for the next year if
you want to, like you, you're not allowed to move
from your job. Obviously, you can quit and get a
job externally, but if you want to stay with this company,
you got to stay there for a year before they'll
let you think about getting a promotion or moving to
another situation. Okay, trying to get all the threads together,
(17:55):
all right, So should you be dedicating your all to
this now next year so you can make the most
of it in in pursue that promotion or another role
within the company or should you be spending part of
your time searching for a job and trying to get
on that out of there? All right, you've been through
a lot, you have, and I think you've deserved some
(18:18):
wusaw Like it's stressful as hell, even though it worked
out for you, even though you were on the brink
of being let go and you happen to get another opportunity,
that's as stressful as hell time. And I know it
was stressful because one, I've been there. Two you also
have all this noise of the economy. And I know
I was teasing you a little bit about it, but
you're totally right. The job market right now is insane
(18:41):
in a lot of ways. There are so many federal
workers who are being let go now some of them
have been brought back. There's all these lawsuits. We're not sure,
but you know, you're also looking, like you said, to
college graduation season and then you're competing with new graduates.
Although I would say with your experience, what competition like,
you're not going after You're not probably going after the
(19:03):
jobs that they're going after. You know, yeah, big outside
for they're coming an entry level. You've been in the
game for how many years now, like you have twenty
twenty girl, I know you're not gonna less some twenty
two year old stress you out.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
No, well no, because this is just always the well,
we could always downgrade this role, work them to death,
pay them seventy five percent as much.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Which you can't control, you know, yeah, there, I can't
control that. But I want you to stand on the
business of like your level of experience, you know, And
I think that sometimes we can one, especially when you've
just been let go. It's a knock to the ego.
You already feel like you're underpaid. I know we're also
tough on ourself, and I know you're probably thinking, I mean,
even before that whole layoff situation, you weren't one hundred
(19:48):
percent happy with the job there, if we can say,
and at twenty years in, you're probably you know, I
don't want to put words in your mouth, but it
can be disheartening to feel like, well, damn, I'm I'm
not happy here. Now I'm being reminded I'm disposable, and
now they got me, you know, by the you know what,
because they're not going to enter saying we're not going
(20:08):
to give you a raise, what you're going to do
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Right gladly happily said that.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
And you know, I don't think that you owe them
anything in terms of loyalty. I do think that you
deserve some time to just like you know, we've saw
a little bit with all this like stress that's been happening,
and you know, you've been in the new role for
a month, and I hope that that's going well. But
(20:34):
as soon as you feel settled, I do think that
you should be keep doing what you were doing before
when you got when you were afraid you're going to
be let go, and reach out to those recruiters and
in those contacts and keep them warm because of the
state of the economy, because of the state of the
job market, because you barely survived a layoff just a
(20:55):
couple of months ago. I think at this and you're
still with that company that almost let you go, and
I don't know, but i'd have a hard time trusting
them after that.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a factor the only reason
why nothing is secure, Like you said, but at least
if it happens again, unless there's some big sweeping changes,
they've showed their hand, so at least I would know
what to expect as far as the severance package that
they offer, So that's the only silver lining. But yeah,
(21:27):
absolutely there's no there's no trust here.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I'm gonna put a We have a comment in the
chat from BRC. They said, do oh speaking about the education,
do it? I completed BSN program.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
What's a BSN congratulations?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I was able to work in complete online classes and
when reimburse monthly sweets. I love that for y'all. Also,
what would your degree be in? What were you thinking of.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Pursuing, So saying about a master's in data analytics because
that goes well with finance. Also considering the fact that
a lot of times I wouldn't want to be part
of the problem, but a lot of times they are
looking to streamline solutions. So if you can, you know,
streamline work, learning how to navigate stuff, if you can
(22:15):
learn SEQL and you know, learn how to make programs
talk to each other, then you know you're slightly more
not only slightly more valuable. But these are things that
I just in the course of my work, I'm just like, oh,
wish I was better at this. So it's not even
a matter of I think it's a good fit for
me because it's not just a matter of this is
(22:36):
how I would make more money, it's this is how
I can get better at my function. And I want
to learn more about this kind of thing against you.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It makes you broadly more appealing in the moment. Yeah,
how long would that take?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Though, depending on how many credits I take a year
to two years.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Okay, so if I oh.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh, I was going to say, probably, if I push hard,
I could do a year. But being there, I haven't
been to school in a while, I would start out
on the more conservative credits and then if I find
that I'm comfortable, like, try to bump it up.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
That's smart because life does be life. And I was
going to say, when it came to the schooling, you know,
especially with data analytics, I'm a little concerned about AI
right now. When it comes to data analytics roles, I'm
just not concerned, but I'm I want to stay open
to the idea of and I think in the past
few years, especially data analytics is one of the you know,
(23:33):
it's one of the most popular like certificates or you know,
courses that have have been prolific and a lot of
people have taken them, and it makes so much sense.
It's been applicable to so many types of roles, and
there's all sorts of ways to learn about that, and
you know, from free introductory courses to like full fledged
degrees like you're talking about. I question. I would look
(23:57):
at the program and basically ask that question of them,
because I almost feel like the first leg up was
to learn these different languages and learn how to make
these softwares talk to each other or sorry, these you know,
data systems talk to each other. The next level is
going to be how do we learn with AI that
can do these things for us? So what prompts do
(24:18):
we give the AI to do this, you know whatever?
And I'd be surprised if there weren't already some AI
out there, And so I'm just like bringing that up
as an idea to look into there is I don't know,
I can't see.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I can't remember if it was a full fledged degree
or if it was a certificate, but there because that
picked like three different interests and so they showed me
the different programs within the interest So I think cybersecurity,
data analytics and AI and so, like I said, I
can't remember if it's a full fledged degree. I'm sure
it is somewhere, or if it was just a certificate,
(24:54):
because like I said, of course, I'm kind of beholden
to like their universities and course programs, so that it
might be a degree somewhere, but I'm not sure if
they offer it or if it's just a case.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, that sounds great, honestly, the certifications, I would say
I would take full advantage of that because that's to
me a form of compensation. Yes, I know some online
programs can cost like thousands of dollars even for a certification,
so you know, I I one hundred percent I think
you should go for it. I also feel like because
(25:29):
it's applicable to your career in general, will make you
more attractive. That just gives me. Yeah, I mean, I
think that you could put your head down, you could
put your energy into this course. But I am I'm
never going to tell anyone to not keeping not keep
their eyes open for new opportunities.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Absolutely, as you're.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Enrolled in this course and you're starting to learn more,
you can already start putting on your resume.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You know, Yeah, I didn't think of that. That's why
you have put it in your letter.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You know, bring it up in conversation. You can even
when you're when you talk to those recruiters or contacts
that you've been making, and you've been so wise to
stay open. I know you had some shitty experiences with
some of these recruiters because they do.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
We acting creater, and I will say that it was
only one that was directly with a company. It was
kind of shocking. It was so shocking that I went
enrolled by the company to make sure. I'm like, this
company still exists, right, because.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I think otherwise it was like external recruits.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, so I would say, yeah, so the the people
who were internal, like I said, it was just the
one that was it was so shockingly bad. I said,
let me just ride by this place and make sure
it's still there, because that was like if LinkedIn had
a reality show, that would have been it. But I'm sorry, yeah,
(26:58):
but I was like, it had happens. But yeah, that's
one of the things that I guess I was grateful
for because I was like, oh, well, yeah, I've been,
you know, keeping in contact and reaching out. And I
had a couple of them, like even before this happened,
reach out and it's just like, hey, you know, I
remember it from the last time you want to Yeah, yeah,
I'll interview for it. So, like I said, that was
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one of all the good advice that you gave us
to have immediately been able to reach out to somebody
and they're just like, yeah, let me put some time
on my calendar for tomorrow. Are you free? Yes? I am,
so yeah. I'm going to continue to do that and
then to keep the skills up to date, and then
that forces me to keep my resume up to date, because,
like I said, that's the problem that some people are happening, because,
(27:45):
like I said, my team was full of long timers
who have been there for like thirty thirty five years
some of them, so to try to go back and update,
I mean they have been in the same position, but
most of them have been in this position for at
least five years, So going back and updating five years
worth of experience and projects and whatnot. Where I've tried
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to every at least every four months, like look at
my resume. Have I been doing any projects? Can I
reword things better? Also took advantage of the service, you know,
because they always offer you like career transition service. So
I had my resume rewritten by the internal placement specialists
and out the external company that they you know how
(28:31):
they'll give you, you know how, they'll give you like three
four months of a career transitioning service when you're let go.
Yeah yeah, yeah, so I did that.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
This most recent But you weren't technically laid off, were you?
Or were you?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I wasn't, but I was going to be. So I
didn't get the new role until February fourteenth, So they
had already prepaid for four months.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh nice, I love a double dip.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They had already preved for a Yeah, so they actually
just sent me back the second rewrite of my resume.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Great, So, were you able to get any of your
severance payment?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, because my last day would have been March twenty eighth.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Oh okay, it was one of those delayed things.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, god, yeah, yeah so it was. It wasn't right, Yeah,
So it was kind of like a slow bar, not
a slow burn, because it also gave people, you know,
opportunities to look internal. But yeah, so my last day
would have been March twenty eighth.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, gotcha. Wh I definitely think that you were You
said that you tried to negotiate the salary. And they
were stingy about it, right, like no, no, no, no, no.
Well then and at the same time, like the in
terms of like traditional negotiating leverage, like they could be like, well,
you almost didn't have a job.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So that's exactly what that's exactly, but after what like
that's exactly the pleasant corporate response. And I asked like, well, look, man,
to try. So I'm going to try for trying.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
At the end of the day, just because you were
let go does not mean that you don't have so
many years of experience, Yeah, not valuable, and like we
really need to stand in that and not let these
external like literally some you know, some person in an
office who had gotten their certificate and data analytics made
an assessment and they were like yeah, like these dumb
dumbs at DOGE who were deciding how to you know,
(30:31):
to trim and trim the.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Fat and then call them back like it's some dumb dumbs.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Sometimes if all brings out, that would be a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
We do need people with specialty.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Doing the shape I'm doing the shave face right, really
does his face It's great. No, you have to really
know that in yourself Lakeisha.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Because yeah, I'm trying to work on that. I am, You're.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Getting better at it, and like it's not you know,
I think you do know that. But in the day
to day, you're gonna have an encounter with somebody, and
I mean especially because you're a very open hearted person.
I can tell, and you're very sweet and kind and like,
I can see how that could probably impact you to
have someone sort of treat you some type of way
because of their perception of like what you deserve and
(31:24):
don't deserve. But no, we have to really really know
it within ourselves. And that's why I want you to
keep those eyes open. Hey, ba fam, we got to
take a quick break, pay some bills, and we'll be
right back. Welcome back, bea fam. Let's get back to
the show. Also, really, I think relationships are going to
(31:47):
be crucial for anyone in this job market right now.
I am before you know because you've been you've been
under my coaching program for years now, but you know
how how emphatic AM about building relationships, and it's only
become that much more important in this type of job
market where there's not as many opportunities. There's a lot
of qualified talent that's in the job pool, and that
(32:09):
just means it's more competitive, doesn't mean that you know,
there's no hope of finding an opportunity. But if you
want to speed up that process, building those relationships is key.
And I wanted to spend a little bit of time
I know where almost at that thirty minute mark, but
I wanted to know if we could talk about like
relationship building in this next you know, six months to
(32:32):
a year and you're already doing great, you're in the
makers and all that, but what else, how else can
we continue building some relationships that might help you in
that on the job search.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So I did actually pull out all of my manly
money maker up tools. I did have like difficult conversations.
It was difficult at first, but telling people, hey, this
is what's happening being let go and immediately got so
many referral links. Even people internally were like, hey, do
(33:07):
you want me to look on my team to see
if they're openings. So that's the one thing that I
did that I didn't do the last time, the last layoff.
I reached out to people and like I said, I
got so many referral links and so many leads and
even people who have been with a company that were
no longer with the company. They were like, well, let
(33:28):
me connect you with this person that person. Then also,
when I joined this team, I think the advantage over
the last time I joined was the last time I
was the only new person, and like I said, they
were all long timers. This time there were two other
people who came in with me, and so I immediately
reached out like, hey, you know, we're all new, we
(33:50):
might as well be new together. Do you want to
form a separate teams chat so we can, you know,
maybe share our notes with each other, share what we're
learning with the each other. I've tried to be more
active on LinkedIn, which you know is challenging for me.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
When you were telling people what happened, was it through LinkedIn?
Were you emailing? Texting?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I was. I was talking to people in person or
in like reaching out to them via email, social media.
So I don't think I ever made the announcement on LinkedIn.
I did switch my open to work to public, but
even like, I'm so hesitant, and I know it's horrible,
but I'm even so hesitant to like utilize my connections,
like within the sorority. But I was like, hey, so
(34:34):
we got we got laid off the fourteen news. I know,
and I know that cheap. Yeah, when we got laid
off the fourteenth. The next day it was Founder's Day.
I was with ad events like, hey, so listen while
we're celebrating, while we're setting it off, and some of
the people like, whoo, why do you say anything? I like,
(34:54):
it just happened yesterday. Yeah. So in connections with and
connections and so that was helpful as well. And I
will say reaching out with that referral link or even
having someone to speak to at the company, that also
made things a lot easier because it's like, well, you know,
it's a little bit of a leg up right versus
(35:16):
somebody they pull off a LinkedIn and a referral link,
an internal referral link. And I still went to there
was a network event here not too far after, where
I still went in person for the company I'm with.
I still went to the networking event and networked, and
you know, I know I can do more, but like
(35:37):
those things were a whole lot for me because I know,
you know me, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
No, you did what you could and that's just you
did something and doing the something. I can coach all
day and like encourage all day, but you're the one
who's got to like put your feet on the ground
and walk into that room. And as someone who you
know has social anxiety and all the things and introvertedness,
I get it. It just the fact that you showed
(36:04):
up and you got out of bed and you put on,
you know, a face, and you went out there. It's
a beautiful face. Those cheek bones up. Yeah. Well, the
hair laid back.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be on camera.
Let me try to try to put on try to
put on some makeup. Oh no, I did not inherit
my mother on my sister's skills. When it comes to breaking,
it's so embarrassing. I'm one of the I'm part of
the black girls. Can't breed. Uh frigate.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Breeding this get out of.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Here, mind you. Like I said, I have all sisters
and I still everybody else and I'm just like, no,
he goes in someone's chair. I'm stimulating the economy. So
I'm keeping another black business afloat. You are we need
our Oh so yeah? But uh yeah so, but I
(36:54):
but to what I can do better? I do remember
you saying joining like organ like professional organization. So that's that.
Now that things are a little more calm, I'm gonna
look to do that now.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, it's the spring and summer's coming along. You don't
have to you know, you could join or not join,
but just go, you know, and just be open to
those Yeah, open to what could possibly happen. And I know,
before I go into any like you know, quote unquote
networking event now or even I was at a friend's
like house party a while back, I didn't really know anybody,
(37:28):
not a while, a couple of weeks ago, and before
I walked in, I just said, open smile, open heart,
open mind, be open to the love you're about to
receive because you deserve it, and you bring good energy
and people are going to be excited to meet you.
And I think when we go in with that kind
of energy, it stops us from like closing in and
(37:51):
then yeah, this wall that people can feel, and it
just sort of like you manifest that reality for yourself.
You're afraid people are not going to want to connect
with you, and then you go in with that energy
and they don't, and.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's like a self sufferent like I knew it kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
There you go, self fulfilling, prophecy, self sabotage, all those things. Yeah, okay, well,
I'm really proud of you. I'm so relieved to hear
that you were able to eke out a recovery. You know,
got that role, even though I know it's not necessarily
the raise you wanted or the the yeah, the compensation
that you probably deserve. But at the same time, she
(38:29):
lives to fight another.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Day, right, And I'll never I'll never not be grateful
for that. All the other stuff we can work on
because there's still some people on my team looking so
I like trying to help, Like, hey, have you looked
at that? Have you looked at that? That is the
only thing that I think I had. This is like
the best team that I've worked on in my working
in my adult career. Everybody messed so well. We just
(38:54):
had to have one grumpy person but like that's fine.
If you needed help, he was so happy help you.
He wouldn't be happy about it, but he was gonna
help you. But uh yeah, so that's yeah. So it's
just one last person we need to find a job.
Everybody else is like found something somewhere else. But yeah,
now the things.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Are for you to stay in tune with them and
like you.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Know, yeah, yeah journey yeah for sures Like ultimately, hey,
like everybody has to needs to or wants to work,
and the ones that don't need to are like the
ones that are taking early retirement.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yes, and I mean you don't know where they're going
to end up, and you know, if the tables are
turned and maybe have something for.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
You next time, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah. So just I feel like, go forward knowing that
it's okay for you to keep looking. It doesn't have
to be your full time job, but just do what. Honestly,
if you just keep doing what you're doing, that will
make you like so much more resilient and capable of
having good things happen to you because you're staying open
to them. You're putting yourself out there, You're making these connections,
(39:54):
and honestly, in a job market like this, that is
the That's what people don't necessarily want to hear, but
that is the edge. Yeah, you're going to get is
your connections in a time like this, and you're in
a really great position where you're not building brand new
ones right now like you're you're nurturing existing relationships that
you've already been building. So I hope you're feeling more.
(40:15):
I don't know tell me how you're feeling now, but
I hope that you're leaving this call feeling proud and
confident in your values that you can go forward and
do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Absolutely, I mean always, it's a pleasure. Thanks for letting
me be one of the first, one of the first people.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And how to go live it's okay, yeah, once.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I figured that out right, And thanks for Like every
tool that I've pulled out is something that I learned
from being in the Mandy money Makers. So because I
can't say that I would have had that same approach
before being a part of the group. Before being part
of the group, you know what, I would still be
at the same toxic because I don't know, if you
(40:59):
remember my team was you were the person that's like, yay,
you should you should probably leave. Like when we had
our first one on one, you say, so what are
you doing about leaving?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Should probably leave. Through the coaching and then like simple
things that are simple, but things I wasn't even thinking
of like a refreshed professional LinkedIn photo and refreshing the resume.
Within three weeks, probably three and a half weeks of
looking from our one on one call, I had found
(41:34):
the position at this company and it was something that
I would have never applied for. So just about every
tool in my box I got from being a maker
is not a paid advertisement, everybody, Yeah, honestly, ain't. Nobody
can pay here hashtag not an AD, but it's very true.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Also that should just show you that you are valuable
and that you do have these skills, because sometimes putting
yourself out there in the marketplace like that's when you
can build that confidence because look how quickly you got
that role. So I'm just I'm really proud of you.
I'm happy that you're a Mandy money Maker, and I'm
glad that we had this time together.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Thank you so much. Anybody tuning in thinking about being
a maker, you should totally join. I guess that's not
an AD, but it's been very valuable for me.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
If you want to find out about the Mandy Moneymakers,
you can go to Mandy money dot com. Also, I
have a free career clarity workbook. Have you done the workbook?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yet it's like the long question I don't think I
have now that I'm not a scatter rain, I need
to go down to go through that.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's very it's very deep. It's like a journal almost,
it's very deep. But the Career Clarity Workbook it's free.
It's a free download. Twenty eight questions to help you
build confidence, to pivot, upscale and take your career to
the next level on your own terms. Check that out.
Guest Lakeisha, thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
So much, Bye girl, take care, bye by everyone.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Thanks Mandy, okay Va fam, thank you so much for
listening to this week's show. I want to shout out
to our production team, Courtney, our editor, Carla, our fearless
leader for idea to launch productions. I want to shout
out my assistant Lauda Escalante and Cameron McNair for helping
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me put the show together. It is not a one
person project, as much as I have tried to make
it so these past ten years. I need help, y'all,
and thank goodness I've been able to put this team
around me to support me on this journey. And to
y'all bea fam. I love you, so so so so much.
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talk to you soon via bye.
It was literally like a phantom meeting on my calendar,
and I was just like, oh, I'm getting right off today,
and I'll be very honest the interviews that I was doing,
all the things that you hear about some recruiters ghosting
and not getting back and being kind of unprofessional, I
did encounter that. I did not encounter that all two
and a half years ago. Like it's a completely different
(00:21):
job market.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, hey, va fam, it's your girl, Mandy Money and
welcome back to Brown Ambition. Now, for those who are
new around here, maybe you are joining us because you
heard my interview on the Way Up with Angela Yee,
or you recently checked out my interview with the incredible
(00:44):
married to real estate stars Egypt Sharad and Mike Jackson,
or you just stumbled across this show because you're like, hey,
I'm ready to have a show that centers us in
conversations about money, career moves, and everything in between. Regardless, welcome,
you were in the right place. Today's episode is pretty special,
(01:04):
and I know it's going to hit home for so
many of you. I was recently on a coaching call
with one of my beloved Mandy money makers, So for
those who don't know. Mandy Moneymakers is the community that
I've run, and it started out as a career coaching community,
but really it's become a sisterhood. It is a group
where women from across the country we gather together and
(01:26):
we support one another through professional challenges. And I'm obviously
I'm there to coach Mandy Moneymakers as they are negotiating
their careers. And I mean like literally negotiating like compensation offers,
but then just negotiating the ups and downs of our careers.
And Lakeisha is one of the very first women to
(01:47):
join the Mandy money Makers when I launched it back
in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, and Lakeisha
came on the show because she had recently been let
go from her job in finance and this was hitting
out a top. This was back in February or so,
and I wanted Lakisha to come on the show because,
first of all, when you're a many moneymaker, I am
(02:07):
showing up for you all the time, Okay. So I
offered Lakisha like a half hour like quick coaching session,
and I wanted to share it with y'all because what
Lakisha's going through is so universal for what is happening
in our economy right now. We're going to talk about
the fact that she got laid off, We're going to
talk about so much more. We're going to talk about
(02:28):
the emotional toll of getting laid off, what it feels
like to get underpaid and undervalued, how she's rebuilding her
confidence in a job market that is was not kidd
It is wild right now. And Lakeisha is also impressing me. Honestly,
She's learned so much in the past few years. So
she's dropping gems for y'all and talking about how she's
(02:50):
been leveraging her network and how she has stayed ready
for new opportunities to find her and has been able
to make bold career moves even though it feels like
the odds have been stacked against her. So, if you're
listening and if you've ever questioned your worth, if you've
been laid off, if you've recently been laid off, if
you are worried you're going to be let go, or
(03:11):
if you're just feeling stuck in your current role, this
episode is for you. Let's get into it. Here is
my session with Lakeisha. Thank you again, Lakeisha for sharing
and being so vulnerable and ba fam. If you like
what you're hearing, don't forget to follow the show on
Apple podcast and Spotify and leave a review. It takes
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less than thirty seconds and it makes all the difference. Enjoy.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I'm proud of you for coming to the group and
saying you were let go, because that's definitely something that
I know other makers have had happen and they've just
not shown up and sort of like stewed in the
I don't know what emotions, probably like a shame.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Or shack isn't bare, especially the way it's happening, exactly
the way that you see on TikTok, like a lot
of times, particularly for me because I am one hundred
percent remote. So it was literally like a phantom meeting
on my calendar. I think that was Monday morning, or
maybe it was Tuesday. It was January fourteenth. It was
(04:18):
kind of like a phantom meeting, and I was just like, Oh,
I'm getting laid off today because of the language and
it's an important matters. Soon I said, oh, yeah, I'm
gettinglaid off today, and I reached out to one of
my text one of my coworkers and I said, I'm
getting laid off today, and she's like, oh, no, it's fine.
I got the same message, and I'm thinking, well, I
(04:40):
we're both getting laid off.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But it can be like a jarring shocking thing because
it's like within a matter of like what maybe like
a five to ten minute call, you get this notification.
So I can see it being embarrassing shocking a lot
of people in the team worst shell shock because a
lot of the people have been there. I was the
least tenured person everybody else fifteen twenty five, thirty five,
(05:08):
thirty years. So wow.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And you had been there for a couple of years, right.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I've been there for two and a half years, almost
exactly to the day.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And you and I, like I coached you when you
got that job. You were coaching. When did you join makers?
You were one of the ogs, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And so because from brown ambition, of course, I don't
hold them up phone like a crazy person.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Anything. I don't have like a ring, like actually I
do have a ring, like it's just missing some pieces.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Ye. The lighting is amazing, girl. I'm in my basement
in the corner and it's dark and twisty down here.
So don't feel any don't feel don't feel self conscious
about that. Well, I want to use this half hour,
but how do I I want to use this half
hour in the best way possible, and I want it
to be all about you and sort of like, what
exactly is the challenge for you right now? I know
and shared that you were let go from your job
(06:03):
in finance, right or treasury kind of thing for a
financial company I won't say the name. And it was
like death by a thousand cuts, right. They had been
laying off people, and so you felt that's the worst
you feel it creeping up, right, So tell me it's
been a couple of months since then, what's your what
do you feel like your main challenge is right now?
(06:23):
And like what's keeping you up at night? If anything?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So the good thing is I was able to find
another role internally with the same company, so they laid
us off from January fourteenth and February fourteenth. I was
extended an offer internally. And so I know it may
seem like, well, why are we on the call? So
it's a couple of things. I would No, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I'm just saying I'm happy for you. Damn, I wish
you had told us. Did you tell us?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I thought I thought I said something, But I think
also kind of like the climate of it. I was like, well,
you know other people have but other people that I
discovered that had been laid off, I was reaching out
to them like separately, like hey, can do you want
to review each other's resumes? And YadA YadA yadda, And
so I did tell them, and I was like, Hey,
(07:14):
these recruits will reaching out to me, Can I pass
your name off to them? Kind of thing. So I
may have said it in the group to everyone, but
I know that the people that I was connecting with
that had also recently been laid off, i'd spoken to
them because I was like, hey, can I just kind
of pass you off to those like external recruiters that
have been reaching out to me?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, you're so compassionate and you're almost to a fault,
you know, I think that even to take this call.
You were like, I don't know, I kind of should
I take this spot because I don't know if I'm
the right person. Like here, girl, if you don't come
get this.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Spot, Like I was, just like, so many people been
laid off. You know federally and you know, corporate and
even local government. But I was like, well, you know,
I still do have some questions and some things that
I'm working on.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, so what's your big question? Then what's your big
challenge right now?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
So to your point, I did feel the layoffs coming.
So and one thing that one of the many great
things about makers is that you teach us to just
always be looking. So I had even taken like a
couple of interviews during my two and a half years,
like before well almost two years before I felt the
layoffs coming. So I'd always been in contact with recruiters.
(08:24):
So even that the day they announced the layoffs, I
hit control alt to lead. I'm like, I'm taking the
rest of the day off, and I reached out to
a recruiter who had reached out to me two days before.
It's like, hey, it's the opportunity still exist. But with
that that was just like entirely too far away. That
was like an hour and a half away from my home,
and they didn't want to do hybrid. And then my
(08:46):
thought was, well, even if I talked them into hybrid,
at any time, they could say no, we need you.
In all five days and I just simply me and
my eleven year old car just can't take.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Three hours a day, and that's without trying to right.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And you know the area I live in, so I'm
in Maryland and so it's it would be close to
DC where I was going, so there's gonna be traffic.
So that was always a good thing. So I was
always on the lookout. But here's the thing. When I
got the role, It's a lateral move. And so what
they did, they were really smart and crafty. What they
(09:24):
did was our raises take effect March, and so they
were like, well, since you were about to get a raise,
and this is the lateral move, we're just gonna bump
you up. What it was, so there was kind of
like no room for negotiating a higher salary basically I
and I did try trust me, but of course keeping
(09:47):
in mind like, well, you're also about to get laid
off and then I'll be very honest the interviews that
I was doing, all the things that you hear about
some recruiters ghosting and not getting back and being kind
of unprofessional, I did encounter that. I did not encounter
that all two and a half years ago. Like it's
a completely different job market, So I'm thinking the recruiters
(10:09):
are kind of being a little shaky, and I'm glad
I took the role because the other role that I
was seriously entertaining, they came back and said they went
with another candidate. So even before I was like, they're
definitely going to lay us off, I did want a
higher salary, so that's why I was fine with looking.
So now I feel like I'm in a position where
(10:30):
at least for another year, right, because at this company,
you have to stay in the role for a year
before you post out to anything else, whether it be
a promotion within the group or elsewhere, a.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Job on different like internally somewhere else like you did
for this one.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Even if I still have to wait a year, which
I'm not opposed to that because quiet as it's kept,
I do see the value in my role in at
least sometimes being in the office, so even if that's
two days a week, so I would be opposed to that.
So now it's kind of like I feel like I'm
locked in for at least another year at this salary.
(11:06):
And then this is a difficult year for everybody to
be looking, right, because we have that's why I said,
I'm just gonna take this role while they're offering I'm
not going to look any further. Because it's like we
have the college graduates, we have the federal employees who
sometimes have three and four degrees because they just kept
going to school because it was being paid for.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Interesting stories. Interpretation of the why what she wants today?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I do always do that, but I just say because
I don't, because I know these people love. I would
say most of my friends are within the federal government,
and they do fall into that demographic of I just
went through a breakup, Let me go get a master's
another master's. So like, they do have lots of degrees
and not the amount of student loans right because they
(11:57):
were paid for. And then there are other corporate peoples.
So I was like, okay, let me play it safe
because I like having gas, an electric, and shelter, and
they had offered a severrance. So my ideal plan was
I'm going to take this sovereigns and find another high
painting job. How many were they offering, either fourteen or
fifteen I think maybe fifteen, you know which, considering the
(12:20):
short amount of time that I've been there, I don't
think that I wasn't expecting that amount of servers at all.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That's good compared to what I've seen, you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Know, yeah, comparatively because the last time with the layoff,
they were basing it on tenure, so it was two
weeks per year of service. And if that would have
been the case for me, yeah, I would have had
one check plus my on my PTO and whatnot. So
now my challenge is I never answered the question is
(12:50):
should I dedicate myself fully to looking for work elsewhere
or gearing up for that year to look somewhere else
within the company, or should I kind of like play
it safe. Because then the other part is I was like, well,
speaking of degrees, they have this program where if you
take a certain major, they don't reimburse you, they just
(13:11):
pay for it up front your company. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So I was thinking, well, you know, if I stay
around another year, I'll be invested fully the four one
K and the pension of though obviously my pension won't
be a whole lot only haven't been there on.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The pension and the four to one K, Like the
vesting schedule deep to start over since you moved to Oka,
no schedule for your four one K you're talking about
for the match that they're giving you.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, yeah, to keep the match, which isn't you know,
it's not a huge deal. But I was only like
a I was only like a years and change away,
So you know it's four.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Years, so you would have had to work four years
to get the match, right, that has been accumulating. Okay,
that's a nice little carrot. I can see how that
would get right.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So then, and like I said, the pension that they
have and so now I'm like, well, if they're going
to pay for me to go to school, maybe I
should get this masters that I was looking at. And
like I said, the beauty of it is, it's not
a reimbursement. It's a if you take within this you
know this list, which is something that I was interested
in any way, Like, I'm not making it fit into
(14:18):
that list. Yeah, we'll just pay for it out right.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So I'm just like, maybe, wait, so they would pay
for it upfront? Okay, what are the strings attached? Would
you have to stay there a certain amount of time?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
No, that's why I think I want to the only
thing I would say strings here are the strings is
they have certain schools and they're all real I shouldn't
say real schools. They're all accredited, nonprofit, non for profit schools.
So I couldn't just, for example, say oh, I want
to go to University of Baltimore, Like there are certain
(14:53):
schools that they have for certain majors. So I would
say those are the strings. Oh, even if I wanted
to go to University of Maryland, which they do offer,
I could not go in the classroom. I have to
do online, which is strings for some people, is not
for others. You know, some people do learn better. So
those are the only strings that I would say. But no,
(15:14):
I checked, I double checked. I called HR. I've spoken
to people who have been in the program, people who
are in the program, took a break. People. We are
almost done with the program, and there's no obligation of
now you have to stay two years, three years, or
what have you.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's unusual but great. I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah. So this, I was like, let's think about this.
Since I will potentially be staying for another year, let's
make it work.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
And was this available to all employees or do you
have to stay there for a certain amount of time? First?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think once you passed six months, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, Hey, ba fam, We're gonna take a quick break,
pay some bills, and we'll be right back. Welcome back,
bea fam. Let's get back to the show. So we
try to recap and see if I'm hearing things correctly.
So in January, you were being let go from your
position at this financial firm, but in tandem with that,
(16:09):
you had already been in the running for another position
at the company, and so it just so happened that
those things overlapped, so you could have if you had
been laid off, you would have gotten these fourteen weeks.
But you had another opportunity pop up, and so instead
of taking the severance and piecing out, you decided, you know,
the job market is nuts. Let me take this offer
(16:30):
and I'll stay within the company and I'll you know,
ride out however long I can. And Okay. And then
when you took that new internal role at the lateral move,
and you were on track to receive a raise this
march already, and instead of giving you an opportunity to
(16:51):
negotiate compensation, they said, well, we're just going to give
you like you're gonna get a raised soon, so we'll
just keep your compensation where it is. Am I understanding
that right?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So now you're at a place where you already thought
you were being underpaid before, and they've so you're pretty
much at a zero netnet zero like net net the
same as far as your earnings. You're going to get
a pay bump this month. How many percentage points are
three percent? So barely cost of living and creating at
the same place.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So you were feeling underpaid before, you're still underpaid, but
at least you have some job security, right right? Okay,
So now you're wondering should I be?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And also you have this challenge where you are tied
to staying with this organization for the next year if
you want to, like you, you're not allowed to move
from your job. Obviously, you can quit and get a
job externally, but if you want to stay with this company,
you got to stay there for a year before they'll
let you think about getting a promotion or moving to
another situation. Okay, trying to get all the threads together,
(17:55):
all right, So should you be dedicating your all to
this now next year so you can make the most
of it in in pursue that promotion or another role
within the company or should you be spending part of
your time searching for a job and trying to get
on that out of there? All right, you've been through
a lot, you have, and I think you've deserved some
(18:18):
wusaw Like it's stressful as hell, even though it worked
out for you, even though you were on the brink
of being let go and you happen to get another opportunity,
that's as stressful as hell time. And I know it
was stressful because one, I've been there. Two you also
have all this noise of the economy. And I know
I was teasing you a little bit about it, but
you're totally right. The job market right now is insane
(18:41):
in a lot of ways. There are so many federal
workers who are being let go now some of them
have been brought back. There's all these lawsuits. We're not sure,
but you know, you're also looking, like you said, to
college graduation season and then you're competing with new graduates.
Although I would say with your experience, what competition like,
you're not going after You're not probably going after the
(19:03):
jobs that they're going after. You know, yeah, big outside
for they're coming an entry level. You've been in the
game for how many years now, like you have twenty
twenty girl, I know you're not gonna less some twenty
two year old stress you out.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
No, well no, because this is just always the well,
we could always downgrade this role, work them to death,
pay them seventy five percent as much.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Which you can't control, you know, yeah, there, I can't
control that. But I want you to stand on the
business of like your level of experience, you know, And
I think that sometimes we can one, especially when you've
just been let go. It's a knock to the ego.
You already feel like you're underpaid. I know we're also
tough on ourself, and I know you're probably thinking, I mean,
even before that whole layoff situation, you weren't one hundred
(19:48):
percent happy with the job there, if we can say,
and at twenty years in, you're probably you know, I
don't want to put words in your mouth, but it
can be disheartening to feel like, well, damn, I'm I'm
not happy here. Now I'm being reminded I'm disposable, and
now they got me, you know, by the you know what,
because they're not going to enter saying we're not going
(20:08):
to give you a raise, what you're going to do
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Right gladly happily said that.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
And you know, I don't think that you owe them
anything in terms of loyalty. I do think that you
deserve some time to just like you know, we've saw
a little bit with all this like stress that's been happening,
and you know, you've been in the new role for
a month, and I hope that that's going well. But
(20:34):
as soon as you feel settled, I do think that
you should be keep doing what you were doing before
when you got when you were afraid you're going to
be let go, and reach out to those recruiters and
in those contacts and keep them warm because of the
state of the economy, because of the state of the
job market, because you barely survived a layoff just a
(20:55):
couple of months ago. I think at this and you're
still with that company that almost let you go, and
I don't know, but i'd have a hard time trusting
them after that.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a factor the only reason
why nothing is secure, Like you said, but at least
if it happens again, unless there's some big sweeping changes,
they've showed their hand, so at least I would know
what to expect as far as the severance package that
they offer, So that's the only silver lining. But yeah,
(21:27):
absolutely there's no there's no trust here.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I'm gonna put a We have a comment in the
chat from BRC. They said, do oh speaking about the education,
do it? I completed BSN program.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
What's a BSN congratulations?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I was able to work in complete online classes and
when reimburse monthly sweets. I love that for y'all. Also,
what would your degree be in? What were you thinking of.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Pursuing, So saying about a master's in data analytics because
that goes well with finance. Also considering the fact that
a lot of times I wouldn't want to be part
of the problem, but a lot of times they are
looking to streamline solutions. So if you can, you know,
streamline work, learning how to navigate stuff, if you can
(22:15):
learn SEQL and you know, learn how to make programs
talk to each other, then you know you're slightly more
not only slightly more valuable. But these are things that
I just in the course of my work, I'm just like, oh,
wish I was better at this. So it's not even
a matter of I think it's a good fit for
me because it's not just a matter of this is
(22:36):
how I would make more money, it's this is how
I can get better at my function. And I want
to learn more about this kind of thing against you.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
It makes you broadly more appealing in the moment. Yeah,
how long would that take?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Though, depending on how many credits I take a year
to two years.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Okay, so if I oh.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Oh, I was going to say, probably, if I push hard,
I could do a year. But being there, I haven't
been to school in a while, I would start out
on the more conservative credits and then if I find
that I'm comfortable, like, try to bump it up.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
That's smart because life does be life. And I was
going to say, when it came to the schooling, you know,
especially with data analytics, I'm a little concerned about AI
right now. When it comes to data analytics roles, I'm
just not concerned, but I'm I want to stay open
to the idea of and I think in the past
few years, especially data analytics is one of the you know,
(23:33):
it's one of the most popular like certificates or you know,
courses that have have been prolific and a lot of
people have taken them, and it makes so much sense.
It's been applicable to so many types of roles, and
there's all sorts of ways to learn about that, and
you know, from free introductory courses to like full fledged
degrees like you're talking about. I question. I would look
(23:57):
at the program and basically ask that question of them,
because I almost feel like the first leg up was
to learn these different languages and learn how to make
these softwares talk to each other or sorry, these you know,
data systems talk to each other. The next level is
going to be how do we learn with AI that
can do these things for us? So what prompts do
(24:18):
we give the AI to do this, you know whatever?
And I'd be surprised if there weren't already some AI
out there, And so I'm just like bringing that up
as an idea to look into there is I don't know,
I can't see.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I can't remember if it was a full fledged degree
or if it was a certificate, but there because that
picked like three different interests and so they showed me
the different programs within the interest So I think cybersecurity,
data analytics and AI and so, like I said, I
can't remember if it's a full fledged degree. I'm sure
it is somewhere, or if it was just a certificate,
(24:54):
because like I said, of course, I'm kind of beholden
to like their universities and course programs, so that it
might be a degree somewhere, but I'm not sure if
they offer it or if it's just a case.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, that sounds great, honestly, the certifications, I would say
I would take full advantage of that because that's to
me a form of compensation. Yes, I know some online
programs can cost like thousands of dollars even for a certification,
so you know, I I one hundred percent I think
you should go for it. I also feel like because
(25:29):
it's applicable to your career in general, will make you
more attractive. That just gives me. Yeah, I mean, I
think that you could put your head down, you could
put your energy into this course. But I am I'm
never going to tell anyone to not keeping not keep
their eyes open for new opportunities.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Absolutely, as you're.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Enrolled in this course and you're starting to learn more,
you can already start putting on your resume.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You know, Yeah, I didn't think of that. That's why
you have put it in your letter.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
You know, bring it up in conversation. You can even
when you're when you talk to those recruiters or contacts
that you've been making, and you've been so wise to
stay open. I know you had some shitty experiences with
some of these recruiters because they do.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
We acting creater, and I will say that it was
only one that was directly with a company. It was
kind of shocking. It was so shocking that I went
enrolled by the company to make sure. I'm like, this
company still exists, right, because.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I think otherwise it was like external recruits.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, so I would say, yeah, so the the people
who were internal, like I said, it was just the
one that was it was so shockingly bad. I said,
let me just ride by this place and make sure
it's still there, because that was like if LinkedIn had
a reality show, that would have been it. But I'm sorry, yeah,
(26:58):
but I was like, it had happens. But yeah, that's
one of the things that I guess I was grateful
for because I was like, oh, well, yeah, I've been,
you know, keeping in contact and reaching out. And I
had a couple of them, like even before this happened,
reach out and it's just like, hey, you know, I
remember it from the last time you want to Yeah, yeah,
I'll interview for it. So, like I said, that was
(27:22):
one of all the good advice that you gave us
to have immediately been able to reach out to somebody
and they're just like, yeah, let me put some time
on my calendar for tomorrow. Are you free? Yes? I am,
so yeah. I'm going to continue to do that and
then to keep the skills up to date, and then
that forces me to keep my resume up to date, because,
like I said, that's the problem that some people are happening, because,
(27:45):
like I said, my team was full of long timers
who have been there for like thirty thirty five years
some of them, so to try to go back and update,
I mean they have been in the same position, but
most of them have been in this position for at
least five years, So going back and updating five years
worth of experience and projects and whatnot. Where I've tried
(28:07):
to every at least every four months, like look at
my resume. Have I been doing any projects? Can I
reword things better? Also took advantage of the service, you know,
because they always offer you like career transition service. So
I had my resume rewritten by the internal placement specialists
and out the external company that they you know how
(28:31):
they'll give you, you know how, they'll give you like three
four months of a career transitioning service when you're let go.
Yeah yeah, yeah, so I did that.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
This most recent But you weren't technically laid off, were you?
Or were you?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I wasn't, but I was going to be. So I
didn't get the new role until February fourteenth, So they
had already prepaid for four months.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh nice, I love a double dip.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
They had already preved for a Yeah, so they actually
just sent me back the second rewrite of my resume.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Great, So, were you able to get any of your
severance payment?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
No, because my last day would have been March twenty eighth.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Oh okay, it was one of those delayed things.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, god, yeah, yeah so it was. It wasn't right, Yeah,
So it was kind of like a slow bar, not
a slow burn, because it also gave people, you know,
opportunities to look internal. But yeah, so my last day
would have been March twenty eighth.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, gotcha. Wh I definitely think that you were You
said that you tried to negotiate the salary. And they
were stingy about it, right, like no, no, no, no, no.
Well then and at the same time, like the in
terms of like traditional negotiating leverage, like they could be like, well,
you almost didn't have a job.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So that's exactly what that's exactly, but after what like
that's exactly the pleasant corporate response. And I asked like, well, look, man,
to try. So I'm going to try for trying.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
At the end of the day, just because you were
let go does not mean that you don't have so
many years of experience, Yeah, not valuable, and like we
really need to stand in that and not let these
external like literally some you know, some person in an
office who had gotten their certificate and data analytics made
an assessment and they were like yeah, like these dumb
dumbs at DOGE who were deciding how to you know,
(30:31):
to trim and trim the.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Fat and then call them back like it's some dumb dumbs.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Sometimes if all brings out, that would be a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
We do need people with specialty.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Doing the shape I'm doing the shave face right, really
does his face It's great. No, you have to really
know that in yourself Lakeisha.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Because yeah, I'm trying to work on that. I am, You're.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Getting better at it, and like it's not you know,
I think you do know that. But in the day
to day, you're gonna have an encounter with somebody, and
I mean especially because you're a very open hearted person.
I can tell, and you're very sweet and kind and like,
I can see how that could probably impact you to
have someone sort of treat you some type of way
because of their perception of like what you deserve and
(31:24):
don't deserve. But no, we have to really really know
it within ourselves. And that's why I want you to
keep those eyes open. Hey, ba fam, we got to
take a quick break, pay some bills, and we'll be
right back. Welcome back, bea fam. Let's get back to
the show. Also, really, I think relationships are going to
(31:47):
be crucial for anyone in this job market right now.
I am before you know because you've been you've been
under my coaching program for years now, but you know
how how emphatic AM about building relationships, and it's only
become that much more important in this type of job
market where there's not as many opportunities. There's a lot
of qualified talent that's in the job pool, and that
(32:09):
just means it's more competitive, doesn't mean that you know,
there's no hope of finding an opportunity. But if you
want to speed up that process, building those relationships is key.
And I wanted to spend a little bit of time
I know where almost at that thirty minute mark, but
I wanted to know if we could talk about like
relationship building in this next you know, six months to
(32:32):
a year and you're already doing great, you're in the
makers and all that, but what else, how else can
we continue building some relationships that might help you in
that on the job search.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So I did actually pull out all of my manly
money maker up tools. I did have like difficult conversations.
It was difficult at first, but telling people, hey, this
is what's happening being let go and immediately got so
many referral links. Even people internally were like, hey, do
(33:07):
you want me to look on my team to see
if they're openings. So that's the one thing that I
did that I didn't do the last time, the last layoff.
I reached out to people and like I said, I
got so many referral links and so many leads and
even people who have been with a company that were
no longer with the company. They were like, well, let
(33:28):
me connect you with this person that person. Then also,
when I joined this team, I think the advantage over
the last time I joined was the last time I
was the only new person, and like I said, they
were all long timers. This time there were two other
people who came in with me, and so I immediately
reached out like, hey, you know, we're all new, we
(33:50):
might as well be new together. Do you want to
form a separate teams chat so we can, you know,
maybe share our notes with each other, share what we're
learning with the each other. I've tried to be more
active on LinkedIn, which you know is challenging for me.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
When you were telling people what happened, was it through LinkedIn?
Were you emailing? Texting?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I was. I was talking to people in person or
in like reaching out to them via email, social media.
So I don't think I ever made the announcement on LinkedIn.
I did switch my open to work to public, but
even like, I'm so hesitant, and I know it's horrible,
but I'm even so hesitant to like utilize my connections,
like within the sorority. But I was like, hey, so
(34:34):
we got we got laid off the fourteen news. I know,
and I know that cheap. Yeah, when we got laid
off the fourteenth. The next day it was Founder's Day.
I was with ad events like, hey, so listen while
we're celebrating, while we're setting it off, and some of
the people like, whoo, why do you say anything? I like,
(34:54):
it just happened yesterday. Yeah. So in connections with and
connections and so that was helpful as well. And I
will say reaching out with that referral link or even
having someone to speak to at the company, that also
made things a lot easier because it's like, well, you know,
it's a little bit of a leg up right versus
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somebody they pull off a LinkedIn and a referral link,
an internal referral link. And I still went to there
was a network event here not too far after, where
I still went in person for the company I'm with.
I still went to the networking event and networked, and
you know, I know I can do more, but like
(35:37):
those things were a whole lot for me because I know,
you know me, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
No, you did what you could and that's just you
did something and doing the something. I can coach all
day and like encourage all day, but you're the one
who's got to like put your feet on the ground
and walk into that room. And as someone who you
know has social anxiety and all the things and introvertedness,
I get it. It just the fact that you showed
(36:04):
up and you got out of bed and you put on,
you know, a face, and you went out there. It's
a beautiful face. Those cheek bones up. Yeah. Well, the
hair laid back.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be on camera.
Let me try to try to put on try to
put on some makeup. Oh no, I did not inherit
my mother on my sister's skills. When it comes to breaking,
it's so embarrassing. I'm one of the I'm part of
the black girls. Can't breed. Uh frigate.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Breeding this get out of.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Here, mind you. Like I said, I have all sisters
and I still everybody else and I'm just like, no,
he goes in someone's chair. I'm stimulating the economy. So
I'm keeping another black business afloat. You are we need
our Oh so yeah? But uh yeah so, but I
(36:54):
but to what I can do better? I do remember
you saying joining like organ like professional organization. So that's that.
Now that things are a little more calm, I'm gonna
look to do that now.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, it's the spring and summer's coming along. You don't
have to you know, you could join or not join,
but just go, you know, and just be open to
those Yeah, open to what could possibly happen. And I know,
before I go into any like you know, quote unquote
networking event now or even I was at a friend's
like house party a while back, I didn't really know anybody,
(37:28):
not a while, a couple of weeks ago, and before
I walked in, I just said, open smile, open heart,
open mind, be open to the love you're about to
receive because you deserve it, and you bring good energy
and people are going to be excited to meet you.
And I think when we go in with that kind
of energy, it stops us from like closing in and
(37:51):
then yeah, this wall that people can feel, and it
just sort of like you manifest that reality for yourself.
You're afraid people are not going to want to connect
with you, and then you go in with that energy
and they don't, and.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's like a self sufferent like I knew it kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
There you go, self fulfilling, prophecy, self sabotage, all those things. Yeah, okay, well,
I'm really proud of you. I'm so relieved to hear
that you were able to eke out a recovery. You know,
got that role, even though I know it's not necessarily
the raise you wanted or the the yeah, the compensation
that you probably deserve. But at the same time, she
(38:29):
lives to fight another.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Day, right, And I'll never I'll never not be grateful
for that. All the other stuff we can work on
because there's still some people on my team looking so
I like trying to help, Like, hey, have you looked
at that? Have you looked at that? That is the
only thing that I think I had. This is like
the best team that I've worked on in my working
in my adult career. Everybody messed so well. We just
(38:54):
had to have one grumpy person but like that's fine.
If you needed help, he was so happy help you.
He wouldn't be happy about it, but he was gonna
help you. But uh yeah, so that's yeah. So it's
just one last person we need to find a job.
Everybody else is like found something somewhere else. But yeah,
now the things.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Are for you to stay in tune with them and
like you.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Know, yeah, yeah journey yeah for sures Like ultimately, hey,
like everybody has to needs to or wants to work,
and the ones that don't need to are like the
ones that are taking early retirement.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yes, and I mean you don't know where they're going
to end up, and you know, if the tables are
turned and maybe have something for.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
You next time, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah. So just I feel like, go forward knowing that
it's okay for you to keep looking. It doesn't have
to be your full time job, but just do what. Honestly,
if you just keep doing what you're doing, that will
make you like so much more resilient and capable of
having good things happen to you because you're staying open
to them. You're putting yourself out there, You're making these connections,
(39:54):
and honestly, in a job market like this, that is
the That's what people don't necessarily want to hear, but
that is the edge. Yeah, you're going to get is
your connections in a time like this, and you're in
a really great position where you're not building brand new
ones right now like you're you're nurturing existing relationships that
you've already been building. So I hope you're feeling more.
(40:15):
I don't know tell me how you're feeling now, but
I hope that you're leaving this call feeling proud and
confident in your values that you can go forward and
do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Absolutely, I mean always, it's a pleasure. Thanks for letting
me be one of the first, one of the first people.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And how to go live it's okay, yeah, once.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I figured that out right, And thanks for Like every
tool that I've pulled out is something that I learned
from being in the Mandy money Makers. So because I
can't say that I would have had that same approach
before being a part of the group. Before being part
of the group, you know what, I would still be
at the same toxic because I don't know, if you
(40:59):
remember my team was you were the person that's like, yay,
you should you should probably leave. Like when we had
our first one on one, you say, so what are
you doing about leaving?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Should probably leave. Through the coaching and then like simple
things that are simple, but things I wasn't even thinking
of like a refreshed professional LinkedIn photo and refreshing the resume.
Within three weeks, probably three and a half weeks of
looking from our one on one call, I had found
(41:34):
the position at this company and it was something that
I would have never applied for. So just about every
tool in my box I got from being a maker
is not a paid advertisement, everybody, Yeah, honestly, ain't. Nobody
can pay here hashtag not an AD, but it's very true.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Also that should just show you that you are valuable
and that you do have these skills, because sometimes putting
yourself out there in the marketplace like that's when you
can build that confidence because look how quickly you got
that role. So I'm just I'm really proud of you.
I'm happy that you're a Mandy money Maker, and I'm
glad that we had this time together.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Thank you so much. Anybody tuning in thinking about being
a maker, you should totally join. I guess that's not
an AD, but it's been very valuable for me.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
If you want to find out about the Mandy Moneymakers,
you can go to Mandy money dot com. Also, I
have a free career clarity workbook. Have you done the workbook?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yet it's like the long question I don't think I
have now that I'm not a scatter rain, I need
to go down to go through that.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's very it's very deep. It's like a journal almost,
it's very deep. But the Career Clarity Workbook it's free.
It's a free download. Twenty eight questions to help you
build confidence, to pivot, upscale and take your career to
the next level on your own terms. Check that out.
Guest Lakeisha, thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
So much, Bye girl, take care, bye by everyone.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Thanks Mandy, okay Va fam, thank you so much for
listening to this week's show. I want to shout out
to our production team, Courtney, our editor, Carla, our fearless
leader for idea to launch productions. I want to shout
out my assistant Lauda Escalante and Cameron McNair for helping
(43:26):
me put the show together. It is not a one
person project, as much as I have tried to make
it so these past ten years. I need help, y'all,
and thank goodness I've been able to put this team
around me to support me on this journey. And to
y'all bea fam. I love you, so so so so much.
Please rate, review, subscribe. Make sure you're signed up to
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