Hall of Famer Joe Thomas Co-Hosts - Cleveland Browns Daily - 10.6.25

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:40):
All right, let's see alive on a reaction Monday at
Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely bow. The great z
is to my left, The Hofstra damis is to my right. Yeah,
maybe fresh off the boat from across the pond, HAF.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I gotta know how many do we have shirts in
this collection? Because now and I wear mine now. I
I one day I came in one of the ones
that I got from Tricky Camf and He's like, looks
like a hopshot, Like you're Darne right.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I can spot the hut.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't have himbossed yet. We're gonna move. We're working
our way up there.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Those are Papa Bishop. He would love all about that
pearl snaps snaps on the He always needs to have, uh,
you need to have the pockets here with the snaps.
He's big on that, so that that would check every
box off. Yeah, I think I've got seven or eight
of these a high quality.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
And like you said, you know, when you're farming, you're
out and about, you're making little notes. You got little
things that you don't want to put in your pocket
because they're hard to get in your pocket when you're
in a tractor, a skidload or whatever. It's nice to
have these pockets up here. And yeah, this is this
is the shirt. This is the one you want.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's a beautiful burgundy hue. It really is, it really is.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, dude, I'll just bet we'll get into all the
fun in a second. I'm I'm not happy, man, I
don't nobody is. Do you want to do? Do we
want to start with any glasses half full? Or we
glass half empty across the board?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
No, we could do plenty of glasses.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, let's start what this was about. And if you
go back to what the beginning of you think about
this summer, you think about everything since the draft. The
big objective that you and I have talked about has
been we have got to figure out if either of
the rookie quarterbacks can be the answer long term and
at the time also or Kenny Pickett one of the

(03:22):
young guys. Are any of those three guys the answer
at quarterbacks? So that next year do we have to
take a quarterback or not? Or is that something that
maybe we can apply those assets in the draft. Differently,
this was Dylan Gabriel's first start. I did not think
for a second that the stage was too big. He
did not in any way appear to be wide eyed

(03:42):
or surprised by anything that he saw. Are the things
that he would want back, I'm sure, But as debuts go,
pretty good out of him.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, nineteen to thirty three hundred and ninety yards, two touchdowns,
rating of ninety four point three. Yeah, it was a
good debut for the most part. But this is a
league that is based on what I like to call
situational football, but in particular money downs and money situations

(04:14):
and the Browns unfortunately in this game, and some of
it falls on the quarterback, Some of it falls on
play calling, some of it just falls on drop, some
of it falls on execution. You know, you could go
through the like, but you have to be good on
third down is and that to me, it's not fully
a quarterback stat but it's kind of a quarterback stat

(04:36):
and this has been an issue for this Cleveland Browns
team now all season long. Regards for the quarterback is,
but you're three to fifteen on third downs in this game.
And then the other one is when you've got to
get it done right, when you have got to produce.
And you look at the Browns possessions that begin with
fifty six seconds left to go in the third quarter,

(04:57):
three plays nine yards, punt plays four yards, punt, five plays,
seventeen yards. You did get one first down there, punt
three plays and now this one was the crusher three plays,
negative one yards punt. You produced one fourth down on
your final four possessions of the game before the hurry up.
You did get a first down there. But I'm talking
about in those situations where you had opportunities. I thought

(05:18):
to put this game away and was there to be one. Defensively,
were you good? Yeah, for the majority of the game
you were good. Three sacks, two takeaways. The thing that's
hard for me in this one is we said, way man,
we just got to play clean football. We got to
run the ball, we got to play good defense. Special
team's got to be at least neutral. And yes, they

(05:40):
had the one punt that completely flipped the field. I
still think Rex Sunahara touched that ball down in play
and then his foot slid onto it. I thought, once
you touch it, it's dead, so it should be dead too.
I would have liked to see a challenge on that.
Maybe they said you can't challenge it. I don't know,
but I thought special teams were at least somewhat neutral,
and you didn't win. And I think that's the thing

(06:00):
we said, Okay, threw By the way, no quarterback, no
quarterback had thrown two touchdowns against the Minnesota Vikings this
year on the season. Yeah, the Vikings had had a
takeaway in twenty of their last twenty one games. No giveaways.
We clean that up. You throw two touchdowns on them,
you feel good about that. It just was a game
that ultimately, you know, they made more plays than you did,

(06:24):
and that was that. I mean, the Browns actually in
special teams were, according to you know, EPA per play,
totally neutral. We were a little bit under them on
offense and a little bit under them on defense despite
the fact that we had those big takeaways.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
To me, the disappointing thing was the amount of penalties
that we had in that game, because you know that
if you're a team that's built with a great defense
and a young quarterback and a running game, what you
have to be is great on special teams and you
have to minimize self inflicted wounds. And that's mainly penalties.
They had ten for seventy eight yards, including critical ones

(07:02):
on the long touchdown run sixty five yard or by
Quinn Shawn Judkins, which could have changed the outcome of
the game. But then also in the second half, if
you go into halftime and I think they had six
penalties or so going into halftime, and they realized that
that was what was really killing him and holding him back.
There needs to be a new focus in the second
half on Hey guys, we're in the driver's seat right now.

(07:22):
I know maybe some of the people on the outside
didn't think we'd be sitting here leading or with a
chance to win this thing with a rookie quarterback at
his first start overseas in London, But we're sitting here
right now. This is where we are, and so let's
go snatch it. Let's seize the game, but let's not
play not to lose. But we also have to minimize
the penalties, and I thought the penalties they reared their

(07:43):
ugly heads again in the second half and it really
caused the loss. In my opinion, out of all the
things you're looking at that you control the most of
that you feel like, hey, if this is who we are,
this is what we need to hang our hat on.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Here's the problem too. Five of those who said ten penalties, yeah,
came from the left tackle. One came from the right tackle.
So that's six of them on the offensive line, but
five at the left tackle where you were rotating two guys.
Cam Robinson we just traded for, had two penalties and
seven snaps. Kat Leviston had a rough game out there,
to be to say the least. Our offensive line really

(08:17):
thought Joel had a solid game. We still struggle with
those just te stunts and in critical moments like we're
letting guys go unblock their rushing four and five and
we have unblocked guys. The line play, I thought from
a run block standpoint was pretty solid. I thought from
a pass protection standpoint still was not great in this one.
But you're right, those penalties and to have five of

(08:38):
them come from one position, it's crippling. It's crippling.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, it felt like in the you know, from from
my then, it felt like we were trying to massage
the win in the fourth like we thought like set
fourteen would be enough for seven, Like it's not enough. Well,
of course, but that's what it felt like to me.
It felt like we were trying to massage a win.
Let's seventeen fourteen, we'll put it on the defense, let's
get out of here victory. In a way we go.

(09:07):
We did not play the fourth quarter in my view,
fearlessly at all. It felt like we were everything was
just let's just try to get this over with and
except for when we were really needed to try to
get it over with by making them either use forty
seconds or a time out, and then we failed in
that regard. So like that, there was some mismanagement there
as well, But it was one of those games that

(09:27):
like you felt like, this is here, just go take it,
and the fourth quarter we did it.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So there are a couple plays I think in particular,
where it was where it was there so member when
we got a little bit lucky, and I don't know
you guys have seen the replay, but I just remember
watching the field goal kick by Rekert and being like,
the ball just went weird and he kicks it off
the cable and I think it's there's enough. I think
on the video the ball goes from going end over
end to sideways, so it hit something. Yeah, and it

(09:55):
appeared to hit that cable, so you got a little
bit of a break there. But when they punt it down,
you know, and to me, that's one where you got
a young guy back there Gage Larvada, and he wasn't
a punt returner in college. Yeah, this is something he
did in the preseason. He was over on kind of
one side of the field, the punt's over on the other,
so he doesn't get to field it. It ends up
trickling all the way down to the one yard line.

(10:19):
That's hidden yardage and that stuff always, as you know,
adds up. But we have a chance. We come out
of there, first down, one yard, second out, great young
by Quinjohn, run by Quinjohn for eight yards. Now it's
third and one. And on this third and one we
went back to with the exact same look and the
exact same play that we'd used earlier in the game
on fourth down on the opening touchdown drive. That where

(10:40):
we end up converting to Fannin on the one yard
touchdown pass the first one of the game, the exact
same play, and Jonathan Gernard the first time kind of
played it neutral. He was on the backside. He was
the only kind of in the scheme. The only way
to get that play was running down from the backside.
The first time, he kind of played it neutral. Second time,
he was like, this could be a big bom in
the game. I mean, that's two minutes first downs, two

(11:00):
minutes at this point, runs right down the line and
blows it up and we gain the exact same look,
no different window dressing. And one of the things that
Kevin has done so well in the past is, yeah,
you can run the same play, but you dress it
up differently, or you say, this time, we're gonna run
the same play, but we're gonna start the receiver on
the right side and bring him in motion a jet motion,
so that at least the guy on the backside has

(11:20):
to think about defending something out there. You know, can't
get caught peeking in the cookie jar. If that's even
a phrase. Probably not.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I like it though.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Way you've got a peek in there, probably you got
your hand in there. Yeah, you never know, there's a
snake in there and that way. He's moving that way
just to get in the way of Grenard. But you know,
when you play excellent players, and johnath Gernard is an
excellent player backpack seasons of over twelve sacks. You give
them the same thing twice, they're gonna pick up on that,
and he did and that costs you. And then later

(11:50):
you go back. So that to me was a massive play.
That's two minutes on the clock. And then I go
back to our last drive and this is really to
the point that you have on the radio broadcast. When
we got to that point, I said, you've got to
throw the ball in first or second down, and it
doesn't have to be a big one. It just has
to be here. Let's get a give a hard run
action leak fanning out, let him pick up five yards

(12:10):
all of a sudden. That changes everything that we can
do now on the next couple of plays. But we
came out. We ran it into a very heavy box.
Two plays in a row, they go time out, timeout,
and then I thought, again I would I wanted to
see a throw on first or second out. You got
to play to win the game. We are not, unfortunately
not a great football team, and I know we have
a lot of belief in our defense. And you say, okay, well,
let's just make him use some timeouts. But then on
third down, and I don't know if you agree with this,

(12:32):
and you everybody can disagree with it. I thought third
down had to be a boot and say, look, if
you can throw it for the first down, you throw
it for the first down. If you cannot, you run
and you slide. Even if you lose a couple of yards.
It really doesn't matter. We're near midfield, Corey Borciz has
plenty of leg to get inside the twenty. No matter
really where this play ends. But we need to make
them decide are they letting forty seconds come off the

(12:53):
clock or they using their final timeout before they get
the ball back? And we did none of those things,
and it ended up being three plays in eleven seconds.
They got to keep a time out which they didn't
have to use because we ended up using three timeouts
and then we end up losing the game.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Yeah, the player you're talking about is your classic four
minute offense play that you have on third down where
you're telling the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Usually he's booting.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Usually have like a full back or a tight end
in the flat, so we can quickly dump it off
gain a few yards if they're covering the deep throw.
But then you also have an intermediate or a deeper
corner type dig route where you have an opportunity to
pick up the first down right with a safe throw
by the sideline. If none of those are available, quarterback
just takes a sack. You're okay, you can punt on
fourth down. I think going back to what you were

(13:37):
talking about on the second down, there was a lot
of things that I wouldn't take this.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Go back to the Let's go back to where are
you want to Let's go back to the third and
one at our backed up in our area, where we
run the exact same play out of the exact same formation.
Is that more typical than we think?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Uh, it can be.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
I think the thing that you'd have to watch the
film understand for sure is you only had one receiver
on the left side, which is where the play got
tracked down from, and so you have to have an
algebra receiver on the line of scrimmage there. So if
you were gonna like shift to it, you'd have to
start somebody over there, and then you'd have to shift
and then motion and still put somebody on the line

(14:17):
of scrimmage. You couldn't bring that receiver over all the
way across because you have to have that guy covered
up on the backside.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
But I think you could have started, like, could you
have started fanning on that side, motioned him into the backfield,
then motioned the receiver.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
You have to be covered up on the side, yeah,
like when it would have to be a shift to
recover that guy up before you could motion. But I
think what happened is the receiver just got too wide
because he was comfortable the play before where they ran
that he was in a good split from where the
tackle was and he was able to get that block
on the backside. So he lines up in the backside
on the same spot and then he can't adjust as

(14:53):
the backside defender kind of starts sneaking down. And so
the coaching point on that, And I wasn't in the meeting,
so I don't know if it was coached or not.
But in a tule like that is what you tell
that guy is line up pretty tight, get as much
with as you think you can safely but know that
you always have to dig that guy out and you
can't let him get inside of you. And on this play,
when I'm looking at it, he's got like a two
and a half three yard split on the backside, which

(15:14):
is way too, way too wide well to be able
to handle that in that situation, especially because the defensive
line is kind of in a gaps look where they
are most or they're shifting most of their defensive tackles
to be tighter to kind of take away some of
the interior gaps. And so what happens then is the
guy's on the outside usually tightened down a little bit.
So experience coaching, not sure where the miss was on

(15:36):
that play, but you could definitely do some window dressing
if you wanted to not give the exact same look
as you did previously.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Well, and then the other thing the other thigh had
is we often see and sometimes in some of those
run situations where a quarterback sees, oh man, you're already
out leverage and they just do that kind of little
motion which basically brings them to being like right next
to the tackle.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
So what your option would be there? Yet?

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Right we're talking about now, Okay, experience of a quarterback,
and as you have a guy he sees that what
you could get to is your little bit of a
boot concept right where that receiver he blocks down, and
it's something you could audible to where Dylan fakes the handoff,
he boots out as the receiver's blocking down for two counts.
Now he just rolls out and makes himself available in

(16:17):
the flat and then Dylan can either run for it
or he can dump it off for an easy completion.
Right there, there's gonna be a linebacker who's got Dylan,
but he's gonna be running from inside out and a
lot of times gets caught up running through the wash
of his own guys there. So you do have like
another iteration of that. And if this wasn't Dylan's first start,
if you have a veteran quarterback up there, that's one
of the things on the checklist, like we've talked about

(16:39):
a lot on the show, that has to go through
your mind in those situations. If I was a quarterback
that had eleven years of experience or whatever, I'd be thinking, Okay,
who's the guy that can make the play here?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Backside?

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Does my receiver have leverage to be able to block him. No,
I got to get out of this, or I got
to give him a second hold hold.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Hold and just scoot him down.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, give him the hands like, okay, scoot down because
we see that.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I see that a lot.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
But I guarantee, rookie quarterback in his first game, he's
right not even looking over there. He's just hoping. Got
to get the snap. Don't screw up the handoff to Quinn.
Shawn Jenkins or I think it was Judkins.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Was when I watched it back, honestly thought with the
receiver split the way he was and when Grenard hopped in,
it was almost like we were baiting a trap.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Like I was saying.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
It was like we were talking about where, Yeah, the
receiver just fakes like he's blocking down and then feels
out and then you've got Dylan in the flat one,
which I think is a Yeah, I think it's a
It's a great option, it's a great opportunity.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
But the other thing I wanted to talk about was
you were talking.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
About in the last drive, first and second down, instead
of just going run, run, I think that Kevin on
that third down wanted to put Dylan in a situation
for to allow him to take an opportunity to be
the hero, throw the ball down the field, take a
little risk, force the ball in there potentially, and not
just play conservative. But I would have liked to see
that on first or second down, like you mentioned, to

(17:54):
kind of keep the defense on their toes a little bit.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, you don't get.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
An opportunity necessarily for a guaranteed to run the football
in that situation. But I always like the coordinators who
are not afraid to throw it a little bit on
first and second down in those situations because then then
the defense has to play a bit more honest, and
you've got much better opportunity than on the remaining couple
downs to actually gain some yardage running the football if

(18:17):
you want to.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
How hard is it to run into like a nine
man box? I leave? That can lead to if you do,
that can lead to a house call.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, there's just a lot of bodies in there, and
then typically there's one or two guys you can't get blocked,
just because of the nature of the amount of people
and the wash and the way you're running into people.
And if they got big bodies inside, those guys are
trying to create a pile, they're trying to make sure
that there are no gaps for you to run into
on the inside. But I mean, if we're going to

(18:46):
be a team, like I said at the beginning, defense
run the ball. Those are the situations where you need
to have a core group of plays that you feel
really good about, that you love that quin Shawn loves
the old line, loves that you have multiple options off
of the same formation, so that we know we can
get two or three yards in this situation. We know
we can move the ball a little bit here, and
then we've got a couple of nice play actions off

(19:06):
of it. So you have a little bit of a menu.
But I think some of that could have been also
because this offense in the offseason was sort of designed
for a Kenny Pickett movement type quarterback. Kenny gets hurt,
so then you pivot, and then you've got Joe Flacco
a quarterback, and so you lose a lot of those
the mobility quarterback type boots and move the pocket type plays,

(19:26):
and you're trying to go back to it all of
a sudden in one week going into London with a
rookie quarterback, and so probably you don't have the full
menu and you don't really have those core group of
plays that you know that you like in a lot
of those situations.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Guys, we do. I think the one thing you can
take from all of this, we just don't have a
margin for air, right, No, we can't have ten penalties
for seventy eight yards. We can't be misaligned on the
same alignment running the same play twice. We don't have it. No,
we don't have out. Thank god, Quinn Shawn Judkins he's
a stud because he is a stud, and he should

(19:59):
have had one hundred ninety yards rushing in this game
and another touchdown and he is going to be the engine.
But the idea that of things that are scary offensively
for the opposing defense, there's it's very limited, and it
might just be limited to ten. I mean, Fan and
Chief have moments. Certainly Judy's had some moments, and maybe
Bond turns into something, but right now it's ten.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
We cannot are there.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
You can't have ten for seventy eight. You can't be misaligned.
It's too critical. We have to play perfectly offensively to
have success in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Well, yes, and no, I think we also have to
be like one thing it's easy for us saying, oh, yeah,
we should have just invited Dylan Gabriel to do a
naked bootleg on third and one from row nine that
gets stopped, or is like, why didn't you give it
to Gwin Shawn Judkins, Right, I mean that's the problem
in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Whatever you do, it doesn't work.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
You were wrong.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's totally outcome biased. But so I'm looking at the
first down play when we get the ball back at
the end, and we're talking about that Bazz, So just
take me through from because this is way beyond my
knowledge base, but I think I have a fairly good idea.
So on that first down play, they came out with
four defensive tackles, two defensive ends, so there are six

(21:14):
down linemen. They have six guys on the line. They
have two linebackers that are five yards off the ball maybe,
and a safety that's five yards off the ball. They
have a corner on our receiver who is a solo receiver,
which is Jerry Judy, and then they have a safety
in the midfield. So that's nine guys.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
It's walking over to take a look.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
One, two, three, four, five, six. So you have to
throw like you can't run into that.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
It's a challenging front to run into because you've got
you've got seven blockers and then you've got eight with
the full back in the backfield, but they also have
you see the corner in the outside, he's peeking in,
so he's a forced player on the outside. You got
another corner safety who's off the ball, so there's a
lot of bodies in there. And that's a situation where
you would love to be able to say, Okay, Dylan,
let's go on a double count and then you've got

(22:05):
two options, right if you can see what they're doing
after you go through the double count and you feel
comfortable changing it to a pass, some type of a
man beater because you think they're probably in man coverage
with all those guys up front. Hey, let's get to that.
But you know, he's in his very first start, and
I'm sure they were just worried about trying to get
the very basic game plan in that they had in

(22:25):
there and try to give him as much as he could,
but not overwhelming with too many options with the line
of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
And I wonder if that's part of the challenge of
playing this game in London is because we did not
get a Thursday practice. We practice on Wednesday. You lost Thursday,
you got to walk through, but that's not quite the same,
and then you had Friday, but it just there were
You're exactly right, the margin for error is not there,
and we have got to be better at at you know,

(22:52):
taking advantage of that, of the opportunities that present themselves.
And you know, so far, unfortunately we just we haven't
done it. And half I'm watching it right now. The
second down play, Now there are nine guys even closer.
So there they said.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
They wanted Dylan to throw the ball in that situation.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
And I think sometimes you have to say, okay, we're
going to because you have created a situation where that
is now leveraged to us. The advantage is it is
our advantage in that situation. And you know, I also
understand the idea of being concerned. I think I would
have wanted at least to use on the third play,
at least get that forty seconds or a time out
for some one way or the other. But you know, look,

(23:32):
we got the number one defense in the league. You're
going against Carson Wentz. A no offense to Carson Wentz,
but you're going against Carson Wentz. Yeah, you got to
keep them out of the end zone, and we did
not do that, and so on some level the defense
is culpable. But the fact of the matter is we
are now historically unproductive on offense and we have to
go we don't score.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Enough and we have way too many penalties, and that's
just too We are on score.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
More than seventeen ten games. I think you have to
go back to like.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
It's Jamis over, other than Jamis last year and then
Joe like yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
But I'm even saying forget the last the last time
without Jamis was Thursday night against the Jets, which is
the end of twenty twenty three. This whole year, no,
and even dating back to last year. No, so ten
straight seventeen or fewer. And I think somebody sent that
the statu I was in one of in those things
like it's the two teams that have done it this long,

(24:22):
like you have to go back to one of them
is like two thousand and one. Yeah, and this is
a very different game. And sometimes to me it's crazy
because you're watching around the league, you know, as we
did after the game. Most drives now start at the
thirty five or the forty. Oh yeah, like, and these
guys can all make fifty five yard field goals, so
you really only need to get like yard to have
a chance, chance.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
A chance for points. Yeah, and we we can't do it, uh.
Your impressions of Dylan in his debut.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
So, I think he exceeded expectations. I thought that poised.
We expected him to be poised, but I think he
was poised even beyond maybe what I anticipated, just because
you know, he's a cool, calm character. He's got you know,
sixty three college starts, and he's got a ton of experience.
But this is just such a bigger stage when you
are playing in the NFL and especially in the international game,

(25:12):
where all the eyes of the NFL as they're waking
up getting ready for their game are watching you.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
And you know that it.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Doesn't take very long to be in the NFL to
know that this is a big game that people are watching.
And when the eyes are on you, you're knowing that
people are going to be giving you an evaluation. They're
going to look from the very first snap that you
take through the entire game to figure out who is
Dylan Gabriel and how is he as an NFL quarterback?
And so with that stage set like that and that

(25:40):
much pressure on him, I thought he did a really
good job managing the game. I thought he didn't make
any big mistakes. He did a great job putting the
football where he needed to for the most part, and
overall he seemed like he was a veteran quarterback in
those moments. Now the area I would like to see
him get better at. In the second half, he played
not to lose, and part of that's because we do
have this great defense, and I think that's how we've

(26:02):
called the game a little bit. In that second half.
He said, Hey, look, we're playing with the lead. We're
doing things well. Our rookie quarterbacks got us in this game.
Just don't screw it up, right, And too often when
you have that, that's when you screw it up because
your defense is also kind of thinking the same thing, like,
we got this, put it on us, And then you're

(26:23):
getting a different offense that's playing against you because now
they don't have anything to lose. They don't care. Carson
Wentz has already beat up. It's his last drive of
the game. He doesn't care he's going to hang in there,
he's going to try to extend plays, he's going to
take shots. And when they got Justin Jefferson, who's the
best receiver in the game out there, like, he's going
to take some shots at that guy. And it's hard
to keep him down the entire game. It's hard to
not allow him to touch the football on the final drive.

(26:45):
And so I think you've got to have that killer mentality,
And that's one thing I think Dylan needs to continue
to work on and find in those close games, in
those situations down the stretch where he's not so risk averse,
where he's willing to take some shots. Now, we need
some more help from our receivers, but I think looking
at Harold Fannin and David Nijoku and kind of building

(27:07):
around a little bit of the tight end game, some
of those opportunities to push the ball at least in
the intermediate portion of the field and then push it
to Jerry Judy hopefully or Isaiah Bond with just saying, Hey,
we need to take the top off the defense a
little bit and we just need to take a shot.
We just have to take some shots because these defense,
the coverage just keeps creeping down on us.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Everything so hard.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
We'll have to complete it. We'll think, just as far
as you can get exact.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Let me just give you guys a couple of numbers.
But one of the reasons why it's so hard in
the red zone is because the field is so compressed.
That's why it's red zone offense is difficult. Well, prior
to the final drive, prior to the final drive, which
was we're just trying to get down you know in hell, Mary,

(27:52):
basically we did not attempt to pass of more than
twenty yards in the air, just attempt and I do
think you have to throw those. You have to to
loosen up the coverage at some point. It doesn't matter
if it's complete not. They have to respect it. Prior
to the final drive, we were two of nine for
twenty six yards in the game on passes that went

(28:16):
ten yards in the air or more. And so you say,
where can Dylan get better? Obviously it's that. Here's the
one thing. Here's great great news. You want some glasses
half full of great news. Dylan Gabriel when under pressure
in this game, When under pressure in this game, seven
of eleven for seventy two yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions
in a quarterback rating of one twenty two. Dylan Gabriel
won Blitz eleven of eighteen for eighty six yards and

(28:37):
a touchdown. Quarterback rating of ninety one point four when
kept clean Dylan Gabriel twelve of twenty two, one hundred
and eighteen yards, five point four yards per attempt, and
a rating of sixty nine point nine. That's where as
a quarterback you've got to excel. You've got to excel
when everything actually is good. And now some of that's
on your receivers to get open and create the separation.

(28:58):
But we have got to be able to li you know,
down the field and just to give kind of like
a contrast in this exact same game, Wentz in this
game was one hundred and forty one hundred and forty
two and a touchdown. Of his yards one hundred and
forty two of them came on passes more than ten
yards in the air. For us, it was it was

(29:21):
basically forty yards if you take out the last drive,
which I really think that's a prevent hard to take out,
it was sixteen yards. It came on passes more than
ten yards. In the year we've got to be more
effective and at getting the football down the field. Our
wide receivers are non existent at this point. It was
Fanning and it was a joke who had a very
nice game, But to me, that's part of that's part

(29:42):
of the problem. And there is something either schematically or
with the quarterbacks and they're rushing their process that is
not allowing us to get the football down the field
because everybody so everybody's doing I'm not Frank the tank,
but if you look brown the league, there are a
lot of people throwing the football down the field and
doing it successful.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
And that's one of the reasons you make the switch
from Flacco because he's not pushing the ball down the field.
So at what point do you wonder, are we not
calling plays they can get these guys open down the field.
Are our quarterbacks too risk averse because they're worried about
making turnovers, or our receivers just not getting open when
we are calling the plays to try to push the
ball down the field.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
The one that I saw where we had a clear
deep shot, it was they were either playing Cover three
or Cover one, but on the outside. Basically the same
principles and bond had roasted this guy by like five yards,
but pressure blew it up. But that was the only
one where I really saw where like there was a legit,
there was a shot throw it down the field, and
there was a touchdown in the offing.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, it's just tough sledding. You go about your business
this way, you commit a bunch of penalties. Everything underneath there.
It's such a difficult needle to thread to try to
have success in the league when there's really nothing opposing.
Defense's fear and that makes it hard.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
It makes it real hard. And here's the other thing.
And I know, look justin Jefferson. In my opinion, I
wouldn't say he's singularly great in the NFL, but he's
in that cluster of two three the best in the business.
There were a couple plays. There was one where they
had a third down and the second half where we
were in a we played cover two. He was in

(31:16):
the slot, so you know it's likely from there he's
gonna be the run running the seam ball. And it
was third and long and we let him be wide
open on that, which I thought was insane. Like I
think if you're the safety on that side, the got
the outide didn't run a vertical. You got to be like, Okay,
where's Justin We can't where's we can't just let him
throw the ball down the middle field to eighteen and
they did that. It was I'm trying to see where

(31:36):
it was to Justin Jefferson. Anyway, that was a bit.
It was a big third down one. I thought for
the most part, we did a pretty good job on him. Defensively.
I thought we were going to do a lot more
against the quarterback, to be honest with you, than we
were able to do given their offensive line issues. Still
ended up with three sacks, but the pressure was not
there at the level. And you go to that last
drive and I'm the reason I brought up Jefferson is

(31:59):
Justin Jefferson was the pass on the right sideline for
it was twenty one yards. It was the first and
ten from Cleveland's fortieth. They just got a couple of
checkdowns to Hawkinson and then they hit Jefferson for that
big one that gets them down basically like just out
to our twenty seven. I want to say Denzel was
in perfect position. It was just a perfect throw, and

(32:23):
Justfin Jefferson was able to make a catch with Denzel.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Literally all over in chest.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, and that's when you have those guys like, we
don't know, when's the last time we just threw it
to somebody. Maybe the one he threw a corner route
the chief that was against Cover two. That was beautiful,
I think I said on the I thought that was
one of those where the coaches like, no, no, no,
because the corner was completely right and if you threw
that any lower, we're going the other way. But there

(32:47):
was a no, no, no, yes. But you know, we don't.
We don't have the guys that clearly, our quarterbacks at
least right now, feel comfortable giving those opportunities to And
that's hard because that's what it takes in the NFL.
They get that. And then all of a sudden, you know,
third down when we had a chance to really stop him.
I think it was third and four at r twenty one.
We took our second time out. We're saying, okay, this
is it, you stopping right here holding a field goal.

(33:08):
We still got a time out to go get a
field goal for us, and they caught us in man
and they did a great job. They brought a guy
from all the way on the right in motion, Miles
Harden was on him and he had because of to
get around, had to bow out, and they just ran
a speed out right underneath it. And there was there
was no way for our coverage with that scheme that
we were able to do it. And now the other
thing I want to give Kevin O'Connor a little bit
of credit for, and I don't know if you guys

(33:29):
picked up notice this. They did a great job and
so did the Lions last week. Now, Miles Harden has
been up to the task and he's played very well
given the circumstances. But they did a really good job
of doing late motions. So like they would have Jefferson
at one, they'd have somebody here too, and they would
do it a late motion where he just slides inside
and now this is one Jefferson's two to get him
on Miles Harden, and they did it so quickly that

(33:51):
our court like you couldn't. That's how you have to
play it. And so they did a good job of
doing it. But Miles aren't played very well. He's played
very well the last two weeks, but it's those little
things and then at the end, you know you're Uncover two.
You got to reroout the receiver, and Denzel said it
he knows that it's a rare mistake by a great, great,
great great player. But it's just those things add up
and then all of a sudden, boom, you lose. You're like,

(34:12):
what the which?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Just what the heck?

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, because we didn't turn it over. No, and special
teams was that at least a neutral in this game?
You know they missed a kick. We made our kick. Yeah,
and you still lose. It's you don't lose off in
the phone. You win the term of battle by two.

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Speaker 7 (35:33):
Okay, obviously, still feel the same way as it did
after the game. Frustrated, disappointed that we don't close that
game out in the fourth quarter. Obviously, so got to
find a way in those moments to play complimentary ball.
And that's that's all us to get it done, and

(35:54):
that's what we'll focus on, and that's what we'll work
very hard at doing and making sure that we're all
at our best in those moments. But with that, I'll
take any questions.

Speaker 8 (36:04):
Hey, Kevin, after watching the film, what were your takeaways
about Dylan's first start?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah, a lot of positives.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
Scott obviously can always be better, and certainly we as
an offense have to be better and score more to
help this football team. But for you know, a young
player in that environment versus that defense to take care
of the ball make the plays he made. I thought
was a lot of positives with plenty to clean up.
And that's what he will do. And that's the mentality

(36:31):
he has is certainly to be a player that you
know continues to get better weekend and week out.

Speaker 8 (36:37):
And when you look at that last Vikings drive, the
winning touch on drive, what would the issues defensively that
you saw? What could you have done differently?

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Yeah, obviously you know, give them credit, but we had
a couple mistakes there and guys played really, really, really
well and then kind of had one lapse there towards
the end and it cost us in that drive, which
is disappointing. Our defense wants to be on the field
in that moment, and I have no doubt that in

(37:08):
the future we put him in that spot, they'll come through.

Speaker 9 (37:10):
Hey, Kevin, I wanted to ask about that last drive too,
So I know you had asked about this yesterday with
the timeout, So the first one specifically, would you have
liked to have had that time out called earlier? I
felt like there maybe ten or fifteen seconds that went
off the clock before you called that.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
Yeah, obviously, anything in those scenarios, Dan, you know, I
want to make sure I'm putting the team in a
good spot. If there's things that we can improve, we will. Obviously,
the mentality was try to keep some time on the
other side of it, but we can definitely be better there.

Speaker 9 (37:44):
And then just with quinnche On yesterday obviously his best
game since you've gotten him here, But can you just
talk a little bit about how he played yesterday and
when he plays like that, what does that do for
your offense?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, he's a tough out.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
He's kind of showing us and everybody the type of
player he is. You don't have to remember that he
got here late and has continued to get better each
and every game. He's a fiery competitor and you know
he had you know, a bunch of plays there. Obviously
had a one called back for the holding and I

(38:20):
understand why that was called. But he continues to make
hard yards when there's hard yards we made, and then
when it's blocked clean as it was a few times yesterday,
you see that he does have the ability to go.
So a young player again, that will only get better
each week.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
All right.

Speaker 10 (38:37):
I actually have seven questions. Hopefully some of them will
be asked after my stand here. Two quick ones for Kevin.
Do you believe that the left tackle the Vikings fall
started on that touchdown to win the game?

Speaker 7 (38:52):
Honestly, it doesn't matter. I understand the question, Tony. I
thought it live, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 10 (39:00):
Another question I have is, you know we've talked over
the years of your head coaching job. Here you share
input in game and hectic situations through the headphones. Do
you believe you have too many voices in your ears
in those hectic situations.

Speaker 7 (39:18):
I don't, Tony, I don't. I'm very comfortable with the
group we have in game.

Speaker 11 (39:24):
Yeah, Kevin, I wanted to ask about your guys second
to last drive, the three and out, just given the
way the Vikings were stacking the box against you guys.
Watching that back, I guess what did you think of
how you guys handled that?

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:41):
You know, obviously, Ashley, get into four minute drives and
the goal there is to stay on the field, get
first downs, make the clock, roll and finish the game
with the ball. Obviously, going three and out doesn't get
it done. And when you look at that as a coach,
you always immediately and also now think about different things
that you can do. There's a ton of philosophies there

(40:04):
and what you're trying to do, who you're trying to
play through, if you want to have risk involved, and
you know, potentially use the quarterback there. So there's all
sorts of things that we can do can do in
that situation. And anytime you come up short, you always
think about putting your players in position to succeed. So
frustrating to not gain yards on that first and second

(40:27):
down calls, and then frustrated obviously to come away with
an incompletion on third down. But we'll teach off of it,
we'll learn from it.

Speaker 11 (40:34):
And then I wanted to ask about David because I mean,
stats wise, this was his best game. I guess how
important was he and the performance he had in terms
of what Dylan was able to do.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
Yeah, obviously we ask a lot of Dave in the
run game and certainly in the past game as well.
I thought he had some good moments out there in
the run game, straining versus a very very good Vikings defense,
and then you know, come big in the red zone
there in the middle of the field. I thought, was
you know, a nice nice outing by Dave.

Speaker 12 (41:07):
Hey Kevin, I have two questions. One on those timeouts,
did you think considered not using them since the Vikings
were down to one timeout and just forcing them to
end up kicking a field goal as time was taken off.

Speaker 7 (41:25):
Yeah, obviously, Jeff, you think about all those things in
those moments. You know, obviously it didn't work out for
us how we wanted it to work out, both in
the result of the game, and you know that drive itself,
so there's you're always thinking about different ways that you
can do it. But we trust our guys to come
through it. But we didn't come through as a football team.

(41:47):
That's players, coaches, that's offense, defense, and special teams.

Speaker 12 (41:50):
And then secondly, did Dylan Gabriel show you enough that
maybe he even started throwing downfield more to Jerry Judy
and the other wide receivers.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Yeah, it's it's always a product of the game you're in. Jeff,
I would tell you we have a lot of faith
in Dylan and our past receivers, whether that's from the
wide receivers, tight ends, running backs, you name it. We
have a lot of confidence in our guys. So it's
just very dependent on the team you're facing and what
they're doing in the back end.

Speaker 13 (42:24):
Yeah, Kevin, a little bit on the wide receivers. I mean,
going in I think the very end of the game
you got a catcher too, but only five catches for
the wide receivers. I mean, how can you get them going?
You know, it seemed to be a big difference. You
got ten catches out of your tight ends, but on
you know, the difference in the game you see the
Vikings wide receivers making plays all over the place and

(42:48):
you're limited to three or four catches.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
Yeah, I think it's so game specific for d but
we obviously believe in our guys and we have to
find a way to be more explosive and obviously stay
on the football field so you can score those points.
And our wide receiver room will factor into that. So
it's every game is different, but we have a total
trust in those guys.

Speaker 8 (43:11):
Hey, Kevin, on the last play of the game, besides
Jamari breaking that tackle, Like, what needs to happen there
for you to get a shot at the end zone.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
Well, yeah, like you said, you know, trying to get
the ball out of bounds, figureing you like your chances
throwing the ball the end zone from the twenty five
better than you do from the fifty.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
You know, good play by them.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
Felt like we had a decent chance of executing there,
but you got to say good play by them.

Speaker 8 (43:38):
I mean, looking back, does it feel too risky that
you don't get a ball thrown into the en zone there?

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (43:44):
You know, again it's a risk reward and all these
type of discussions and decisions that you're making, Scott, whether
you know you take that hail Mary from the fifty
or from the twenty five, you're taking a risk in
what you do.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
And is a plan to get Cam ready to start
at left tackle next week?

Speaker 7 (44:00):
Yeah, we'll work through all those type of things the
next couple of days.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (44:03):
Kevin, a question about Dylan and kind of his workload.
How much did the circumstances of last week, you know,
only having two real practices and having to travel on
and how much do that dictate kind of what you
could ask him to do and will a full week
of practice, Well, that means you can maybe put a
little more on his plate this week.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
I would say it's very game specific, Dan in terms
of the opponent and who you're facing and what they
what they do and how they do it. Obviously, the
week last week was unique.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I thought that.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
Dylan and the guys handled that fine. I don't think
that had anything to do with the plan and those
type of things. That were very prepared, But I think
it's very specific to your opponent is probably the biggest thing.

Speaker 10 (44:46):
Okay, I only got two left, so go through them
real quick. In preseason, Gabriel was very good at converting
third downs. Yesterday you were three of fifteen.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
What do you attribute that to?

Speaker 7 (44:58):
Yeah, I think each one you can probably talked through
Tony and it's a combination of things. But I thought
by and large he was getting through progressions. There's things
that I know he can do better that all that
he knew when he's walking off the field, so he's
got very good self awareness in those type of things.
But that was a very good pass defense that we

(45:20):
were facing, both from a coverage and a pass rush standpoint,
So I thought he did a good job of taking
care of the football, moving in the pocket when he
needed to. But bottom line is, you have to try
to find a way to stay on the field, and
a lot of times it's your ability to be efficient
on first and second down and put you in some
manageable third downs that.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
Will allow that.

Speaker 10 (45:38):
All right, And this last one falls into the category
of who cares at this point? But was anyone on
the sideline aware that that the fifty one yard field
goal carry him off the cable?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I was not aware.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
I'm not sure if anybody else was.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
I was not aware.

Speaker 11 (45:54):
I know you talked about the receivers as a whole,
but just with Jerry specifically, and he's handful of he's had,
including the one yesterday. Like, is there anything that you're
seeing with him, like technical there or anything. Is it
just a weird stretch for him right now? Just with
that part specifically.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
Yeah, nothing technical. Actually, Jerry continues to be our best
wide receiver. We have to find ways to get him
involved in the game. Having said that's he's a leader
on this team. He will do anything in his power
to help this football team. And I'm excited about, you know,
the future for Jerry and this offense. But obviously I

(46:34):
know he's he wants to do more and we want
him to do more.

Speaker 14 (46:37):
Well, I actually took one of my questions, but I
was also just gonna ask I know, postgame he sort
of talked about it with having Jerome in for that
finals drive before the half for pretty much.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
All those plays.

Speaker 8 (46:50):
Is that more so about.

Speaker 14 (46:52):
Just like experience where he's been in those situations more
obviously Quinnchun's only played the four games at this point,
and maybe trust in pass protection a little bit as well.

Speaker 7 (47:02):
Yeah, you know, when you get into two minute drives
and you're playing at the line of scrimmage. Obviously we
have a veteran in Jerome that that we trust in
the past protection game and the and the you know,
the run game, pass running routes, et cetera. Quincheawn will
continue to grow in those areas. And then you're also
trying to be mindful of Q's workload and making sure

(47:22):
that he's fresh, you know, for all sixty minutes.

Speaker 8 (47:25):
Any injuries coming out of the game, Kevin, And how'd
you think Jack held up in his first game back?

Speaker 7 (47:30):
Yeah, guys, some guys banged up, but feeling good about
you know, where they are for to start the week out,
and then I thought Jack held up real well, performed
well in his first game back.

Speaker 8 (47:42):
Thanks.

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what can we do with what we're doing at left

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tackle to be more successful than we are?

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Well, I think that you know, Cam Robinson has the
most talent at that position. Being that this was his
first week here, you were kind of easing him into
it by rotating. But next week he's going to have
to just be out there full time because he's your
best option. He's not a Pro Bowl type guy, okay,
but you're going to have to just get him out
there and get him as many reps as he possibly can,

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try to get him up to speed as quickly as
you can, and do everything you can to try to
get him ready to be the guy because he's your
best option. Yes, And unfortunately, tackle is one of those positions.
It's not like you just find a guy in the
street in the middle of the season. It just doesn't happen.
Like there's plenty of NFL teams that don't have a
tackle that they love, but there's just not more than
sixty four of them in the NFL, it's just a

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position that there's a dearth of supply. And so especially
when you lose a guy like a Dwand who is
doing a great job like coming into his own and
being a starter and a consistent starter, and then Jack
being out a good bit already this season, like you're
in a passle of hurt out at that tackle position,
And if you can continue to get the run game going,

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I think that helps those guys because then hopefully you
can start running more of those bootlegs and those play
action passes, which takes the pressure off your tackles to
just drop back in pass pro. And so for me,
if I'm going, okay, what's the glass half full perspective
on the rest of the season, you put Cam out
there and then you say, we need to really start
getting the run game going even further and just continue

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to rely on that more and then find the play
action plays that look like those runs that we're having
success with to get those shots down the field because
we know our tackles can't hold up just consistently dropping
back and throwing the ball. And that's not really what
Dylan would be the best at anyway, because he doesn't
have the cannon to stand in the pocket at seven
yards and throw sixty yard bombs down the field.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yes, and look, I start over one hundred games, so
you're gonna put him right in there, and you're gonna
hope that it meshes up. I think that we've got
a tap. Here's the problem is that offensive We've got
a lot of problems. Yeah, there's a lot we've got
to be. If we're not if we are not the worst,
we have got to be very close to the worst
third down offense in the National Football League. And that

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makes it very difficult to be a team that can
be productive consistently and have those long drives and have
the ability to score more than seventeen points if you
especially if you're not hitting chunk plays.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
And if you're not hitting chunk plays, it's really hard
to hit those intermediate throws to set up third and
shorts right because the defense is creeping down towards the
line of scrimmage. Your safeties aren't playing that deep, your
corners are playing more press coverage towards the line of scrimmage,
and so without pushing the ball at all, it makes
everything harder. And then you get stuck in third and
lungs and then your third down efficiency looks terrible.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, and I would say we've done a very good
job with the tight ends, but I think partially because
of the tackle problem. They're involved in chipping quite a bit,
so that delays their release and makes it harder for
them to get down the field, which is why so
many things are so underneath to them. I will go
back and I will say, you know, glass half ful
stuff with Gabriel is his ability in the red zone.
That ball to David A. Joko in the second touchdown,

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He's even covered by Byron Murphy's a Pro Bowl cornerback. Yeah,
that was a great ball and the camas about it
looked like a second or third read. He was looking left,
comes back boom boom boom and throws it in there.
But we've got to find a way, yeah, to push
it down there. Hopefully better tackle play will give the
quarterback more comfort to you know, not necessarily have to
feel like they have to speed up their process. And
we can get some of those, but when we've got
them too, like Jerry Jud's got to catch the ball. Yeah,

(52:42):
I love Jerry Jude. Jerry Judy was so productive for
us last year career high twelve hundred and fifty yards
you know, pro bowler, all of it. But we need
we need that guy. Jerry Judy for his career has
been over eight yards of target, like right there, kind
of where a Mari was for his whole career. This
year it is it is well below that, and you
know that's got to come up. But we've got to
find a way to be explosive. And it can't just

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be It's so hard to regly on it. Even when
we had Nick here, it's so hard to rely on
your running back to be the explosive piece of your offense.
That's just a hard thing to count on weekend and
week out in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
No, I mean when we had Nick, we had Jarvis,
we had Odell for some of it. Then we had
a Mari. I mean like you had weapons. Yeah, you
had some weapons that people had to contend with. And
we had an offensive line that was younger and in
its prime and one of the best in the league.
So all of those factors now have changed. And the
reality is, as this goes back to the margin Pear
air conversation, offensively for us because of.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
The way that we're built.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
We needed all of our guys to play at their apex.
And so in addition to this to not being explosive,
all those things we're not, we're playing under what our
talent is at several positions.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Yeah, I would almost argue on offense, rather than being
so risk averse, since you're not really dinking and dunking
and getting the ball down the field, I would rather
be let's run the ball and then just throw bombs,
because you know what, we're only scoring fourteen points with
this version of our offense, so we might as well
take some shots and hope that, you know, we might
throw a couple picks a game, but we're hoping that
at least the balls down the field, and we've got

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such a good defense it's not going to hurt us
that much to throw those interceptions. But at least we'll
have an opportunity to make some big plays on offense,
because it's really really hard to go the long, hard,
slow way down the field in the NFL because you
don't have those consistent playmakers. Yeah, because one drop kills
the drive, one penalty kills the drive.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
When you do it like that, beck your margin for you're.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Listening to a fifty ESPN Cleveland, a good Karma brand
station WKNR.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Go ahead, Bud.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
So there's another thing that I noticed in this game,
and I'm curious. I wonder if it was kind of
the coaching was whenever Gabriel threw it to the sideline,
or maybe he felt like he was getting pressure and
ad to get rid of it, he was just kind
of I mean, he was wearing five ten yards. It
was a throwaway. Yeah, there were a lot of throwaways.
There's a play I'm looking at one right now. We
are at about their thirty four and he has a

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decent pocket but decides he's going to the outside. It's
totally covered up. Judy runs basically into the corner, or
Isaiah Bond runs into the corner and he just chucks
out of bounds and they had a bust It was
a busty coverage right down the middle. David Djok who's
wide open, and he just didn't see it and just
kind of ends up air mailing it. And when you
get those opportunities in the NFL, you really have to

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you really have to capitalize on them. And I think
that that goes back to us saying earlier, Like I
probably think if if somebody was covering our receiver as
well as Denzel Ward is covering Justin Jefferson on that play,
like Dylan throws that into the stands. Yeah, and that
ends up being a twenty one yard game, And it's
a great point change in everything. And at some point,

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like we're gonna have to be and we can't live obviously,
like when we were turning over two or three times
a game with Joe or even with Jamison that run.
But there's got to be a balance between the two.
And at some point, you know, if you're paying guys,
you know, over ten million dollars a year, you got
to give them opportunities to make play. So really, only
one time I thought we gave somebody an opportunity to

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make play was the one in Najoku and you went
up and he made the play.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, yeah, do you do you just uh, let me
ask you this off as a quick aside. Do you
watch just left tackles sometimes? Like from when you watch
a game for fun, how do you watch it?

Speaker 6 (56:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (56:19):
If I'm not specifically focusing on thinking about watching the
whole thing, yeah, my eyes just always go to that position.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Yeah, right. It's like, you know, if.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Your son is playing running back, I feel like you're
just watching the running back position, right, You're so trained
to just focus your eye on that position. But obviously
from calling games after I retired, like I'm starting to
watch the bigger picture more and it's becoming more natural
to just watch safeties and kind of watch the perimeter
and the structure of what's going on. But yeah, if
I'm just at home kind of casually watching, my eyes.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Always go to that position.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Is there a young guy I'm putting me on the
spot here? Is there a young guy that or even
a vet that you're like, that's that's how you do it?

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Uh, there's quite a few good young tackles that I
really enjoy. Jordan Mylotta, he's not a young tackle, but
he's He's a guy for the Eagles that I think
is one of the best tackles in the NFL. And
a guy that played rugby, no football experience, went to
the IPP program straight from New Zealand. Uh and then
he was just a massive rugby player that they turned
into a left tackle. And it's fun to watch him

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because he's got really good technique. He was able to
learn that very quickly, even though he had no background
whatsoever like that going into when he started training in
Florida with international player Pathway. So I do like him
a lot. At the break, I'll give you a list.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
On the spot. But I just you know, the kid
with the Patriots' is getting a lot of heat right now,
the Campbell kid, because you know, people were kind of
going that it was a little bit of a slow
start for him. He played really well last night.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Amazing right tackle there for you.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, So it's just I'm just was curious because obviously
we're right now we're trying to find answers for it,
and when Jack's there, we have him, and when he's not,
we don't.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
All right, Hoff, I want to ask you this to
on the on their touchdown play. Have you seen in
the video of their touchdown play at the end the
unfore last game? Yeah, did that left tackle go earlier?
Was that a hof?

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Oh, I didn't see I didn't see that.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Come over, come out over watch He's gonna watch it
in the break.

Speaker 15 (58:11):
Coach, Yeah, let's watch it and break. But coach basically
acknowledged it in the press conference today. It was like,
I think you did, but I can't pass.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I'm gonna. I'll be honest with you, though. Isn't the
past to Addison on first down? The touchdown was on
first or second down.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
It wasn't first and first and ten at the seventeen.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That's the touchdown that wins it right.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
First, So that's what's saying. But they're not at the seventeen.
The scoreboard, there was wrong about everything. I didn't get
his first down at like the twelve the rough day.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
For okay, so up the way that it was going,
whether he moved early or whether Denzel did the right thing,
they were scoring. They were really going to get three
or seven, yeah, at that point, so I the mistakes
were before that is kind of you know my view
with that. But all right, well we'll get the answer
to all that on the other side of this quick
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Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Hello Gibbe, Hi, you were doing this or I was
doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I like it when you do it, I like it.

Speaker 15 (01:00:13):
I just keep going back and I told you this earlier,
like if you factor in, if it's just all East Coast,
time forget take the London out of it. We wrapped
up a game at twelve forty pm yesterday afternoon Eastern time. Yep,
wheels down in Cleveland at one fifteen am. Yeah, that's insane.

(01:00:36):
I mean that that's thirteen hours later. You're on the ground.
It's wild. It's been a whirlwind, and it's gonna and
it's gonna be a regular thing. Yeah, especially once this
new CBA gets in. It'll be eighteen games, like Ceciliana
said on the pregame yesterday, and it's gonna be every
team's gonna play one game overseas every year somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah, And I know we have it scheduled up at
four twenty five or thereabouts four thirty maybe, But I
am curious you guys are all there, and I just
do have some questions about like how's this all going,
like that type of thing, like we've been doing it
for a long time over there. Yeah, So we can
get in that in a minute. But it's good to
have you all back.

Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
It is good to be back, no question.

Speaker 15 (01:01:16):
Let's do a little overreaction or not, well, kick things
off with the Patriots can win the AFC East. Is
that an overreaction this afternoon or not? Joe Thomas, you
are a guest, you are up first.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
I think it's still an overreaction because I still think
the Bills are going to be the favorite, and I
don't think Josh Allen is going to allow the Patriots
to win because I like Drake May, I like everything
that Vrabel's doing in New England. I just don't think
they have enough talent to consistently keep that level of
play going to win that division when you've got Josh
Allen there, Right, it's an overreaction when you win one game. Yes,

(01:01:55):
they were great, nobody expected it to happen, YadA, YadA, YadA,
But this is still Josh Allen's division.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Bo Bishop, Yeah, I'm with the Hoff. I think it's
an overreaction for now. Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:02:08):
In two years, you two were pretty high on him
going into this game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I liked him a lot. I like him a lot,
and I just like what Raves is doing over there.
Like he's just a one man culture tornado. He comes
into a situation, it flips in a big way, in
a in a big way, and and the kid is good.
The kid can play. And now that like their offensive
line is in a nice spot. So Digs are getting

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a lot out of Digs. They already thought he.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Was cooked, So like, why do you think they're not
using Travion remember how everybody trust that we drafted quin
I would think I would think trust and not Travian
maybe just trust, which.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Is crazy because he had such I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I've read a lot. That's his pass pro, which everybody said.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
That he was a lad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
He was better than Quinch on a pass pro at
Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
So yeah, yes, I don't. Is it an overreaction, Yes,
I think it is an overreaction. But do I think
New England is a legitimate playoff contender? Yes, I yes,
I do. I think that they are a playoff. Drake
May is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
He's great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
He's awesome.

Speaker 15 (01:03:10):
Next up, overreaction or not? The AFC North is Pittspukes
to win or to lose?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Bo Bishop No, no, no fact fact they gave me
Baltimore didn't play. Baltimore's injury report yesterday is maybe the
most talented injury report I've ever seen in the history
of football. Who didn't play and they got bombed, You
were dead on I thought, God, Baltimore magic, No, not

(01:03:39):
bombed in every way, Bob. Cincinnati might not win again
for a month. I mean, they are incompetent.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
And they actually scored. At least it's fun yeah, but
they scored late. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
There he is, so yeah, it's Pittsburgh's and I got
I think they're gonna be the only team out of
this division in the postseason. I got news, which is crazy.
I thought that there would We thought maybeither for sure,
there'd be two. At the beginning before the Burrowings, we
thought maybe three. Yep, as Pittsburgh being the third. Yeah,
I mean a month in, they're gonna win the division.
They're gonna be only one of the post season because
I think Baltimore's digging out of this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
See Baltimore could still come back. Here's the problem. We
had an opportunity to go to London and completely turn
the season around. And I know you'd say, oh, we
win just gets us to two and three. Yeah, it does.
The Steelers have been out gained in every game they've played.
The Steelers are not good. That's not a good football team.

(01:04:39):
We had an opportunity to go there, beat them, get
to three and three. They'd be four and two all
of a sudden, or they'd be three and two because
they've had to buy You're right there with a head
to head win, and then all of a sudden, it's
game on and this is that's the thing that is,
like you want to talk about maddening if you're a
Browns fan, it's maddening that you have Baltimore completely falling apart.

(01:05:00):
You've got Cincinnati completely falling apart. The Steelers are smoking
mirrorsing their way to wins. And this is the year,
this is the year to go win the division. We
have the best defense in the league. Yeah, and we're
one and four.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Yeah yeah, I mean who else is going to stand
in their way?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I don't think the Ravens can come back. They have
pretty easy is going to be out of They said
one more, one more game and then they have a bye,
and then they should be they should be pretty healthy.
They should be one and five and they'd be pretty healthy.
You look at Kyle Hamilton, rope all the players, Marlon
Lamar and then plays by way like that doesn't even

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include Mattabek, who's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
No is out for the year, who's done? No, it's
their whole everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Well that's why they got smoke. Dude. Davis Mills was
logging action in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
It's crazy, like, how big of a hole can who
do they play this week?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
They have the Rams Yeah, so they're they're at home,
but the five, so they're gonna have to come back
and they're gonna have to get They're gonna have to
go nine and two over the final eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
And I still think they have some Marquis matchups in
there because there's some Sunday night games.

Speaker 6 (01:06:13):
That they have to They played Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Still, they do know they played Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Play I'm sorry talking Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
No, there's a stretch.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
They've got their Steeler to finish the season. It's Patriots, Packers, Steelers,
and then before that Bengals, Steelers, Bengals, Jets, Browns, Vikings, Dolphins.
So there's some winnable games in there. But then those final.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
They're gonna get hot. They're gonna get hot. And second
they're gonna be in the big hole though a huge hole,
but they're gonna be playing. It's gonna be kind of
like Cincinnati year ago. Can they do enough?

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
Next up? Uh?

Speaker 15 (01:06:51):
Speaking of the rat Birds, father Time is finally caught
up to Derrick Henry overreaction or not Nathan's girl.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
No, No, it is not a reaction. It is it
is true. I mean I think it's a combination of that.
I think it's a combination of no Lamar obviously this week,
and then I think those two fumbles like psychologically rocked
him because those that's the other thing. They could evilily
have three wins. He's got two late game fumbles that
were massive, and I think it's changing now. He's how

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he's running the ball a little bit o plenty good
the first week.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
I don't think it's an overreaction.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
He's at the point in his career where he needs
a full complement of offense around him to have the success.
He's not making guys miss and making his own hole.
He's not bringing his own blocker anymore. So when you
have Lamar and you got those other weapons there that
open up those holes. Like he's still a difficult guy
to bring down because he's still fast, he's still big,
he can still break some tackles, but he's not the

(01:07:44):
type of guy that can do it by himself anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Bishop, That's exactly what Hoff said printed no notes got it.

Speaker 15 (01:07:51):
Next up, The Colts are the best team in the
AFC South overreaction or not, bo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Bishop not not, they are.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
They are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I'm curious to see what Jacksonville does tonight because I
do think Liam Cone's done a really nice job down
there taking advantage of their weapons. You just look at
like Etn. That was a guy that was scrap heap
and they he's found something with him. They're not on indies.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
This is either.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
It's a very big one tonight for them to see
how they play, you know, in that moment. But no,
Indy is Indy's a little bit of last year's vikings
to me. And I know there's the parallels with Donald
and Jones, but maybe that's justified. I know, I think
they're very realf I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Printed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Uh yeah, I've Daniel Jones all the people we talked.
We spent a lot of time talking about Daniel Jones
on this show because that was somebody the Browns were
very interested in and they got priced out of that market.
And he's now playing tremendous football. They've got a great defense,
an elite defense. Yep, they're good. They are a good
football team, and they are It's amazing how many times

(01:09:01):
this has happened now, But in this case it wasn't
from show voting. But they're a guy just kind of
dropping the football going in the end zone away from
being undefeated and having beaten the Rams on there, They've
got some good wins. They're they're good, by the way,
and equally as the Raiders are a trash.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
They're really bad.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
That has gone steadily downhill since week one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
My fan one of my one of my fantasy games
were featured a cup I had gent in that game,
I had Danny Dimes where the games were so bad.
Houston was another one where I had some I had
woody marks on Texans. The games were so bad that
they stopped playing the stars on both sides, Like they
didn't even leave Genty in the Raiders game. Now we're
not getting you hurt. He's out. Then on the other side,

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Danny Dimes is Richardson's in in like the third quarter.

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
I mean it was just their beatings final one hoff
the New York Jets. So the worst team in the NFL,
it's not even close, I think it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
I think that is Sorry, No, I I don't think
they're the worst team in the NFL. I think actually
they're a lot better than their zero to five record.
Will say that they are, they're in the bottom part.
But I think the Las Vegas Raiders, in my opinion,
when you watch them, just watching them. They're a team
that continues to seemingly get worse each week. And I

(01:10:17):
like the Jets. I think they got some scrappiness to them.
I think they're gonna be a team that they're not
gonna win a lot of games, but they're gonna win
a few of these close ones down the stretch, and
they're a tough out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
The Jets have are an anomaly right now. They have
no takeaways in the first five games. They have been
in the top half of the league both in offensive
and defensive EPA per play, and they are not winning
football games. Yet they would smoke Tennessee Vegas Saints. I
think the Giants. I think there are plenty of teams

(01:10:48):
that they would they would do just how did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
The Tennessee type. So so I went and played golf
with the boys, so I didn't watch. So when I left,
Arizona was winning, and I'm like, all right, let's go
play golf, like let's enjoy yourselves, all right. So I
didn't see any of it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Okay, you haven't seen clips, no nothing, you have not
seen clips no college football in the morning, incredulo. I
am credulous because these are some of the craziest things.
How did it happen?

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
So Arizona is up twenty one to six. Yes, Arizona's
up twenty one to six at the beginning of the
fourth quarter with and they're on their own twenty eight.
Amari de Mercado, running back for Arizona, busts through a
hole seventy two yards to the house. He does the

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as he's going in, flips the ball. Now, now I'm
ninety nine point nine percent convinced the ball was still
in his possession when the nose of the ball broke
the line and then he flipped it. But on replay
they overturned it. So now that touchdown, which would have
made it twenty eight to six with twelve minutes ago
and the fourth quarter, now that becomes a touchback. Tennessee

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gets the ball. They go down the field and they
score and they make it twenty one to twelve. Tennessee
then they get the ball back from They get like
a three and out, basically gets the ball back. They
go down cam Ward. They're on the Arizona twenty. They

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are down twenty one to twelve. When this play begins,
cam Ward throws the ball intended to Calvin Ridley. It
is intercepted by a guy on the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Okay, game over.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Guy on the Cardinals kind of falls to the ground
with the ball as he's starting to run back and falls.
As he falls, the ball pops out into the air
on the ground. Another Arizona guy then has it and
scoops it is starting to pick up and turn around,
and then he somehow fumbles it. It ends up being
fumbled into the end zone, where Tennessee recovers it for

(01:12:53):
a touchdown. So an Arizona interception.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Turned into six turn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Into a touchdown. Yes, oh listen. This is the full
play by play. It's amazing pass short left contended for
Calvin Ridley, intercepted by Darian Taylor, blah blah blah, return
for no gain. He fumbles recovered by Cardinal blah blah blah.
Fumbles recovered by Tyler Lockett in the end zone. Touchdown,
So they score there. Now it's twenty one to nineteen.

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They try to go Arizona does nothing. Cam Wore gets
the ball back on his own eighteen and leads them down.
There's a bomb of beautiful pass to Calvin Ridley thirty
eight yards and they kick a field goal and they
win the game. There was also another play in this
game where Carolina, I'm sorry not Carolina, where Arizona was into.

(01:13:44):
This was happened earlier. They were into Tennessee territory and
the center snapped the ball before anybody was looking and
snapped it off of his face mask and it gets
fumbled and yoda, yell guy and they recovered with some
So I mean, just completely insane, like some completely, completely

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completely insane things happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
It was crazy, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
We'll get to more of it tomorrow, but I wanted
to touch on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Some of Yeah. So this was this was in the
quarter they're at there at the Tennessee twenty and they
snapped he snaps it right off of his helmet. It
almost knocks Kyler over. Nobody on the line had moved
other than the center. The other guy's standing up looking
what it was happening. So, I mean it was a
comedy of airs when you have an interception that becomes

(01:14:35):
a touchdown for the other team. That is what we said.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
I don't know if I've ever seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
No, no, I can't think of the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Time that that's ever happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Well, we said, like when we picked it were like,
there's there the amount of things it would have to
go wrong for Arizona to lose this or for them
to even be in the mix of the scores being
in danger.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
So why have you guys seen the clip of Yannon
the head coach and I have which I feel like
there's something's gonna come out of that he's talking about. Yeah,
after the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Who does the flip, Demarcado, Ricado got an offensive Lineman's
got his arm around him and he's very clearly distraught
about what's happened.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Just hold the ball into the end zone and spike it.
What's the big deal?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
He's never understood flip the ball, Just run Bo Jackson,
run through it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Go right into the tunnel. So Gannon's given him the business.
And then as he walks away, it looks like you
can't tell there's I don't know if there's a but
it certainly looks like he throws them a little cross
into the chest as he walks off.

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did the double right, you did Octoberfest.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
And I did, yes, a couple of days at Octoberfest,
and then on Wednesday flew up to London there to
meet the boys and do the London Celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Oh it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Yeah, me and Z had a outstanding.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
You know, we had an unbelieve literally how I feel.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
It was the biggest by bone and rib I've ever seen.
It's called brought Yeah, Brought on East London. Yeah, it
was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
And turns out we went to the wrong one at
like nine to thirty dish and they were we had
to wait, but they got to say what They were
very gracious, very gracious about it. They were cool and
we put on a put on a pretty good So
it was a.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Cool little like upstairs restaurant that had open fire in
the corner with grates that had various levels and so
they would cook. Like they gave us a big thing
of grilled bread, which was amazing, Like this beautiful piece
of bread that they just kind of lightly grilled on
either side with some whipped butter and like I don't
like the salt, Yeah, they like the Black Sea salt,
you know, the volcanic salt or whatever that is. With

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that whip butter was amazing. I think that they grilled
some garlic and like rubbed it on that bread and
so it was like creamy and soft in the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
It was like two inches thick. Yeah, it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
We saw making it and I was talking to the
to the ladies, I was like, what is which one
is that we got some of that? So I had
one of the best things I've I'm gonna say, one
of the best things I've ever eaten. There are actually
two things there that were two of the that better
bites that I've ever had, because they're just so different
things I've ever had. And the steak was phenomenal.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
I mean, I was telling them because they don't really
know like the size of a steak and how big
the animal was, that it had to be like a
twenty two hundred pounds steer because the RIBI I'm not
kidding you, it looked like a manhole cover.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
It was what like four pounds.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Look, yeah, Hall of Fame beef we slaughter at fifteen
hundred pounds and your ribbi is maybe twelve inches you
know across. This thing was like almost twice that. It
was so massive, and the bone that it came on
it looked like a Fred Flints stone bone.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
I mean, it was like a dinosaur. It was enormous.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
But then they cooked it on that open coal and
it was kind of one of these slow processes where
they put it right on the fire right away to
get like a hard sear, and then they put it
up above the fire maybe a foot and a half
to kind of let it slowly render, and then they.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Put it back down there.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
So it got this amazing like dark crust on the
outside and a fat rendered really really well. It was
an amazing, amazing steak and it was it was made
for like sharing fee.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
It was. It was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
It was like two inches thing, but it was really buttery.
It was. It was wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I had all I could eat. He had all he
could eat. I mean, maybe we had some of the
reserve if we needed.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
If we had to, we could be had. But we
didn't want.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
We didn't know it was. But I remember watching them.
I go, if that's what they're bringing, this is the
biggest stake my life. It was awesome. But the breed
of cow.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Produces that I'm wondering, I don't know, Like a ka.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
It was like a massive that they just kept feeding
for like years.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
They just kept feeding them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
So we had one of the apps we had and
was one of the best bites I've ever had was pigeon.
It was a pigeon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I didn't hear that, didn't see that coming a.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Pigeon skewer, and the skewer had a piece of glanchalie
on it that was razor thin, almost like a pershooto,
like a brijute. And so that was done, I think,
on this flame, and so the the guanchli was almost melted.
When I looked at it almost looked like I'll tell
you in the break what it actually looked like, but

(01:20:11):
it was I didn't know what I was looking at.
And then I realized that was the guancholi had almost
melted into the meat, and then it had this balsamic
and kind of it was un believable. And then they
had a thing that was on like that some of
the girled bread, but a smaller piece, and it had
smoked muscles on it with some kind of like it

(01:20:33):
was a yellowy orange sauce. I don't know even know
what what it was like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
It was probably mayonnaise, but he didn't know sauce.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Did not care at that moment. I don't know if
it was Mano, I think Ceciliano would have been fully
out of I was between the two of us.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
That was a special bite though, because after in Europe
for a year, I realized, like how much they eat
pigeon over there?

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
They called squab.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
It's a very big delicacy over there, but it is
dry as you'd expect like a small chicken to be.
But that's why they put that gunchali over on the
top and they just let that fat like melt over
the top and it was it was an elite bite.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
How sellout, Like, the crowd looked great, they were into
it looks.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Like great stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:21:17):
That's a great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yeah, that's brand.

Speaker 6 (01:21:18):
You can take the locker room facilities and just put them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Yeah, insane.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
The green room was beautiful. They had like a little
VIP area right next to our green room. So I
snuck in and ate some food there at halftime and
after the game. Uh yeah, they did it. They did
it upright. It's a area.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Does it feel like when when the NFL is there,
does it feel like that's all in? Is that take
over London? Or are they still like what's the bigger
thing is that the Premier League results on Saturday?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Chelsea Liverpool on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
That's why I was like, how where it all fits in?

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
It's hard to know because we were staying our group
was staying near like Mayfair, which is one of the
like swanky downtown areas, and everywhere you went you saw
people with Brown's gear or Vikings gear, like standing outside
the pub and eating and drinking. So it's hard to
know if that's just where all the fans were hanging
out or if that's what the whole city felt like
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
What's wild is though even in like at Tottenham Hotsburg
the stadium, there's it's just a neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Like that was bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
It's it's in and it is in a neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Yeah, Like there you can see had a very allegiate feel. Yeah,
it almost felt like Camp Randall. Yeah, because literally you
walk out of the stadium and right across the street
is just like a little startments and stores and pubs.
So that was a cool feel. But getting in there,
my driver didn't know exactly where to like take me,
and I was assuming they'd take you like, you know, underneath,
and they're like the vating doc there's none of that.
They like drop me off in the street and I'm

(01:22:44):
like carrying my back. Yeah, so I don't I'm not
sure how that stadium was built or if there was
a stadium there that you know, it was just kind
of shoehorn in the town. But then it's I imagine
the tailgating field had to be kind of cool, yeah,
to be tailgating right there and then in that little
town and just walk across the street into the stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
So our booth was on the side that if we
were on the ninth floor where if you looked out
the windows you could see down to the London skyline,
which is actually really really cool to see that. And yeah,
right behind it was just a street with pubs and
stores and apartments and something that didn't even look like
they were particularly nice like high rise old No, it wasn't.
It was definitely. So they built this obviously with the

(01:23:24):
NFL in mind, sixty two thousand, I think eight hundred
and thirty five if I if I have that number right.
But in that ballpark, it's beautiful. Their stadiums are also
very different than a lot of kind of what I
would call our march steams, which are closer to the
field and kind of up This is kind of very
like a low bowl, and on the sidelines in particular,

(01:23:45):
they are not close to the field, No, at a
long ways. Yeah, you're pretty far from the field.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
What did the players think of the turf because they
had made fast Yeah, the NFL had made a big
deal how they made the turf specifically for football, since
you know a lot of the other turf's over in
London are more for soccer. And even when they were
in Munich, guys had a lot of problems with slipping
because the fields, the grass fields, especially for soccer, they
want the ball to kind of slide and they don't

(01:24:12):
have the great grip that you need for big three
hundred pound men to slam into each other.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
So it looked shorter. So that was field turf, yeah,
or was it almost right?

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
It was turf.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
It when they play, they play on grass, the turf
sits on the grass, so Tottenham plays on grass, but
then that's.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Underneath the field turf.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
Yeah, they brought it.

Speaker 15 (01:24:29):
They rolled it out actually Wednesday, because when we got
there Thursday morning, like our ground screw people weren't at
our training facility at the hotel yet because they were
finishing up on rolling basins and it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Was like it seemed to me to be shorter blades
of grass than ours and there were all these green
pebbles and they said, actually, if you really plant it
into it, you could get into the grass. Like you
could you could get into the grass.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Yeah, that's It almost reminded me of a blend between
field turf and the old astro turf. It was that
short of an artificial surface, so I imagine the skill
guys felt like it was really fast and I liked it,
but as alignment they probably didn't like that because it's
a lot more wear and tear on your lower joints
because it's just such a hard surface to play on.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
They say, what this is against from our boy tarv,
But that it was it's actually it's fast if you're
light and if not, though it has good grip because
you actually can get down, as he said, into the
grass layer like it's that. It was intredible and it
was all instead of you know, our turf here has
that those black little yeah pellets. Yeah, these were all
like green, and there were so many more of them,

(01:25:39):
it was almost like a million of them. Yeah, it
was interesting. Listen, I'm not fast, but it felt like
a fast turf for me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Yeah. Yeah, it looked it. I mean, it looked great.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Beautiful. Stadium is beautiful, beautiful, I would say from where
we were. I didn't love the video boards. So there's
like four in the corners.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Yeah, you couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
You couldn't see them because there's all the stanchions that
hold all the lights are actually inside the stadium. Yeah,
not on the top like shining in and they're actually
hanging in the stadium and the and the speakers. So
so that wasn't That part of it wasn't good. But
everything was just nice. And the one thing I didn't
realize is every door, like you can't walk anywhere. Like
if we were there right now to walk through our

(01:26:18):
hall here, there'd be a door on both sides. There's
doors everywhere and there it says fire door, mustermand close
every like at the hotel, oh, everywhere, everywhere, restaurants, anything,
there's just doors everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Huh.

Speaker 15 (01:26:29):
Some of them pull in, some you push, but there's
always doors. That was not great, trying to deal with
the equipment moving.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Single word answer from all of you in our lifetime
when we see an NFL team in Europe, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
I do think that right though. The eighteen game schedule
will have thirty two international games. Everybody will play one
international game and you'll have two by weeks. It'll be
a twenty week season.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
Yeah.

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third and goal from the nine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Ford the back shotgun bond a loan to the white side,
right fan in motions to the left. Here's the snap
over the middle.

Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
The Chief has a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Dylan Gabriel to David Nudjoku and the Browns retake the lead.
First touchdown of the season for the Chief, the thirty
first of his career, and for Dylan Gabriel his first start,
his first multiple touchdown game three on the season. Now
leads the Browns in passing touchdowns. The pocket poise to

(01:28:13):
go through your progressions, he gets a little inside release.
Chief beats Byron Murphy. If you are on the other side,
you got your Pro Bowl corner on their tight end. Well,
it's Pro Bowl on Pro Bowl and the Djoku into
the end zone and the Browns are celebrating.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Yeah, it's it really is a shame that you don't
get the finish to this because this is the way
that they built this thing to win is this way,
and and the kid played pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
That's why it's disheartening that you didn't win.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
It is like it sucks, yeah, because it's he played
pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
He did, and he's got good poise, of course, and
it would be coming out of when he say, okay,
he managed it. He did exactly what they asked. We
want to see him get the ball down the field more.
But that's some little come in the coming weeks and
you know, maybe a little more freedom to recognize some
things the defense are doing, or you know, to be
able to have that audible or be able to check
and get yourself into the the right play. But yeah,
he did great. And in the red zone that's where

(01:29:04):
it's tough. And and that play for him to go
boom boom boom, come back to the joku and throw
it on a rope and get it right to where
it needed to be was very impressive, very impressive. Don
Gabriel was not the reason that the Browns lost, No,
far from it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
No, No, he played. He played very very well. All right,
what do we got? We got to score? Give we do?

Speaker 15 (01:29:24):
The Kansas City Chiefs are in the armpit of America
to battle the Jacksonville jag Gabs r Jazz?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
What is the where's that come from? Your hatred of Jacksonville?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Are hanging out the downtown. Jacksonville's tough. Now when we
went last time, we stayed at Sagress. That that was
quite a right, Yeah, that was quite Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:46):
It was great.

Speaker 15 (01:29:46):
We got there and it immediately started raining non stop
until the game got on the plane. Sun came back
out perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
This one's down there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Hey, we won that Jackson Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
You're not wrong about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Maybe we'll just take tears together.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, A win's a win.

Speaker 15 (01:30:08):
Jags hosting the Kansas City Chiefs in Monday Night Football,
the round out Week five in the National Football League.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Zagora.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
I do like the Jags, but I also think they're
a little bit of fraudsters, and I think Kansas City
is going to go out there and Monday Night another statement.
Last time they were in this position, which was a
week ago, they made a very definitive statement. I think
they do that again. I like the Chiefs bigly thirty
one thirteen.

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
Yeah I am.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
I'm six and seven on the week, so I need
this one. I'm pretty sure I'm six and seven, so
I needed to get back to even Stephen. So when
you're in desperate times, bet on Wizards. So I'll take one.
Five in Kansas City handling their business relatively bigly off.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
Well, I'm gonna push in the other direction. I got
oh baby Jaguars twenty four, Chiefs twenty. I think defense. Yes,
I think they're gonna get a few turnovers. Yeah, yeah,
They're gonna force a few turnovers. The Chiefs, you know,
they're a little bit shorthanded, and I think they're gonna
have a hard time keeping pace with the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
So don't be afraid to remind me tomorrow morning. Who
was right here? If the Jaguars, oh, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Give you a foolish you can join tomorrow three if
they wanted to discuss. By the way, quick footnote, I
did meet Big g Man, Papa g Man. Oh really
Friday night, Well Lodsworth, well Hudson. Will we can discuss tomorrow? Yeah?
We We had a very big meeting of the minds there.
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