Hearing from QB Dillon Gabriel - Cleveland Browns Daily - 5.14.25

On a "First Friday" installment of Cleveland Browns Daily with Beau and Z: Draft guru Todd McShay from The Ringer on the Browns draft (52:11), Higher or Lower...2025 post draft QB power rankings (59:00) and the guys hear from rookie QB Dillon Gabriel (1:20:15).

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage
Campus in Barrea, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, presented
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Cleveland Brown's on eight fifty.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
ESD and Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, let's live on a first Friday schedule release
edition of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. He's
back the great z.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's good to be back. Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Be beside you. You look are you got a fresh helmet?
Gimby's got a fresh helmet too?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Did you guys both about Gibbies?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
This mine fresh helmet.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Was for you had big pictures, Yeah, for the shoot
for the shoot professional photo shoot. Yeah, you're gonna be
in is it GQ Esquire magazine? You do the shoot
for I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you one
of them. And you had a request that I wanted
and yeah, well you tell me where what this one's
gonna be. And I think this is going to be
like maybe an album cover. Look at you?

Speaker 4 (01:29):
How do you feel on that? How do you feel
about that? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
So I blue steel baby, look at that. Look Yeah,
I mean, don't put that on a Christmas card. Women
will leave their husbands. Well, I will say, I mean
they'll just leave in droves.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I will say this was my favorite and my gosh,
after I gave a man to ls a shout out
on the on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
And by the way, I'll do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You just did.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
You're right and I just did.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
But if you seriously, if you're doing an attorney shoot
or or a newborn that's like what she specializes in.
It was amazing. It could not have been better, could
not have been more fun. And she knew, I love
this one. I like this one more than Miss k
liked this particular photo and she she loves it. But
she's like she's like looking out and staying this is

(02:18):
I was like, this is going to be like we
need to make like an album cover and put this
on it, and this will be like the Little Zog's
album and that's like the cover.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
This you can you with caution used this. But this
is similar to a line that NBC had to his
mother on Saturday, where they were in some sort of
a heated conversation about activities that he wanted to do
on Saturday, and my wife said, it's my day. An
NBC said, but not today, not yet, not yet, to

(02:48):
which the look he got meant that his wishes. So
you know that the pushback look, miss k this isn't
all about you, no, she I mean my greatness in
this needs to be That's what I accentuated.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
She loves that one.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
But then we had another one that was of a
similar vein that she that she preferred more. So I
think that that was the one we got, but I got,
I got a man.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
To a throw in this one nice. I was very appreciable.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
But it really was honestly like I went into it.
You and I were talking about it like I went
into it, being like, this is gonna be a little
It was beautiful. We had it almost felt like a
vacation day.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
It was awesome. So couldn't recommend it more.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
And she did a great job and it was it
really was.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
It was cool.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Now we got to figure out which ones these pictures
we can actually display in.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Our display them in our home, and some of them
were yeah, yeah, we.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Have figure out which ones are displayable.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, guess what, buddy, you're signing up for a bunch
of that, because you're gonna have pictures documenting one month,
two month, three months, six months.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
But then you can be done on an iPhone. That's
gonna be like, oh.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
No, you're gonna have to bring in your lady friend
and your on some of these. You are the one
year for sure? Six months? I think you probably are.
You're going to do a shoe.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Here's the thing that is certain.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
And I know because we've done it, we've lived it.
How often are you going back and looking at six
month old?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know what? The best advice?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
But by the way, it's camera can take a great photo, it.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Can, I know it. Great great friend of mine. Uh
no longer with us, sadly. Neil C. Laron was a
legendary sports photographer at the Columbus Dispatch. Actually, his photo
of Maurice Carrett jumping into the end zone the game
winning touchdown in O. Two is one that's you see
all over it many many dens all over Ohio.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's his photo.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And so I got to know him really well, and
he came over and did a lot of our our
shoots for the boys when they were little. And the
piece of advice he gave me it was so great.
He goes, photos are nice. Take all the videos you can. Yeah,
And I didn't think of that initially initially, Like if
you look at my phone and I'm like Michael Scott,
like I have all of it on there. Yes, So like.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Same, I have my favorite stuff to our videos of
the it's the videos because like you go back right,
you hear their little voices, you hear their laughter. It's
the videos that you want to go back and revisit
because He's right, like it's on there.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Like the photos. I get five thousand photos on there,
but I mean I'm not printing them all. So the
thing that I go back to is the videos.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
That's why I think like super special occasions, they have
a professional.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And I think that makes a big difference.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
These photos we could not have done on our own. No,
and just the the whole wardrobe she had, it was
all perfect. But yeah, I have a listen, we're gonna
get in my mind, we're gonna get like a little
wrestling ring, blanket to Blanket's wrestling. We're gonna PLoP them
in there and it's gonna be one, two, three, gonna
keep going.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's it. That's it's smart, I got, I got,
that's all. Yeah, yeah, I think you do have to.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Do one any would you like to save the money
for a trip to Bordeaux?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah? Or would you like to take these pictures? Well,
what's the little zigan? If it's doing the trip to Bordeaux,
you're gonna put him in.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
A coming along.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
He's just gonna gonna Okay, write that down. Hang, write
that down, boy, conversation.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Hold on, I'll tell you right right now. She I
wish if she was listening, she could call it.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
She was.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
She's talking a big game already. I guess she was
to travel with him, miss King. Yeah, but she's already
talking about we still have to make sure we take
our trips.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
You know, that's what I said.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I said, Okay, uh huh yeah. And I'm still going
to be number one, right, well, I'm still going to
be number one.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You will just have a third opinion to number one.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, what you once said.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I can't wait packing plays through the airport. I've already built.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
I built pack and plays, I built some strollers this morning.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And by the way, it's going to be easy the
first eighteen months. It's so easy to travel with him. Yeah,
it's so easy. I mean, that's it. And then you
have to get out of jail free card if if
she's handling the food, supplying yourself like, that's.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
We might so easy.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
If we go to board, do I feel like you
might have to bring it, you have to bring.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Bring Nana along, or just wait until he's of an age.
Wait a couple years until he's of an age where
he's aware of what's going on.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
And it's good.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I love say Nana. It's a win. Jack will split
it that way. However you're going to do it.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's I used to love when I was once I
was of age and I knew I got to pick
my nanny and I got to go to the Sutro
grocer and pick up the eight pack of mini cereals.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
It's all about get out of here. Come on, you guys,
get out of town.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
The eight You didn't need a bull nor in the box.
I want pops? Do I want Apple Jacks? Do I
want Lucky Charms water loops?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
How about some cocoa pubbles. What was the one that
you were in that pack that that was always the
one that didn't get eaten because you mentioned the one
to me that I don't that I never did.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
You never didn't take, didn't take.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
I would say my bottom ones that I didn't like
that were the last to go if I went through
all of them. Raisin brand just because of truck company,
because of the company it was keeping at the time,
no offensive raisin man, fine Cereal, Cereal, But yeah it
was when you're would I rather, as a five year
old kid, have Lucky Charms or raisin brand? Come on,
I was not. I was big a honeycomb. The pops

(08:07):
I liked. I think I was probably less on the the.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Are you an anti pops? No way?

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Wow, you can't go.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
There is something with the texture of them. There is
a sliminess in the texture that never took for me.
My brother liked him because it had a varnish on it.
It did have a varnishyehish, So he I, would you
have the pops and I'll you get double pops and
I'll take double honeycomb or whatever you you could.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's a great trade honeycomb because the water could penetrate
those holes in them. Yeah, I didn't. I was also
not as big of him, but I didn't.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I wouldn't throw it out of you know, the bowl.
It was like this, like I want to say, it
was like honey Smacks or that looked like a little
they looked like they were like little oats kind.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Of it's wheet. It's it's wheat. That's just sugarcoated, is
what it was. It was like Golden Crisp. So there's
Super Golden Crisp and then there's Smacks as the as
the frog, and then super super Golden Crisp had the
had the bear. I don't know if it's still called that,
but I think that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
The little ones. I remember the frog, the Kellogg's one smacks.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
So it was the same cereal but just different, same
but ones Kelly Golden Crisp, Golden Crisp and Honey Smacks.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah they're the same thing. Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't
those all day over there that was posts Post was
Golden Crisp and Kellogg's was Honey Smacks.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
And they were the same same operation.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Looks like the Honey Smacks. Guy went on a stated
gameplay employees he moved from there to.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
The w B Oh, Yeah, he did what was his
name something, b Frog. What was that guy's name? I
like that guy, He's it feels like the same. My honey, Hello,
my darling. That guy Michigan j Frog? Love that guy, Yeah,
Michigan j Frog. Hey, what was your favorite schedule release

(10:00):
video we've ever.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Done that we've ever done? Holy cow, my two favorites.
One would be the one where we made like the
wrestling characters. Yeah, that one was awesome and it was
me and the Miz doing the commentary. I thought that
was a lot of fun and we got a good
shot at McAfee, which he then referenced on his show.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
So that was fun.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
The Lebowski one was really good. I thought that ended
with Pete Weber.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
That was very good.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Like that was pretty cool. We did the friends motif
with the it was the office one that the office
one with Miles sticking Ben through. That wasn't kickoff. It
was a season kickoff, that was it. That was it
was a training camp to kick off came off.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I thought that that we did an office schedule release
in my head, I swore that.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
We know we did. Now. Dorsey printed out the the
deal on a like dot matrix printer, which we had
to go find and then somehow get operational to do that.
So the bowling, I like the bowling when we did Yeah,
we did the Friends uh spin off in the Fieldhouse. Yeah,
like twenty hours and it ended with me and Yellowstone

(11:08):
with leaf blowers trying to clean everything up and get
the water off all this field in time for the
next day's event.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
I remember when we used to do like schedule release
like shows.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
You and I did one in COVID. We did do
one in COVID.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I did one with That's the one when six
came on.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yes, I did one boat Lake.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Travis might cringe the entire time that was gone.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
I did one from I want to say, the Hall
of Fame with Jim Donovan. Yes, you did from the
Room the Hall of Busts. Yeah, I remember that Gibe
I do.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Was Peter King.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Part of that feels like he should have been seems
like on fields appropriate.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's funny like there's been all sorts of the Chargers
always do a really good job with theirs. They have
the anime that's usually pretty locked in. The one that
went by r the last couple of years with Tennessee. Yeah,
and they did it they ran it back, they did
twenty three and twenty four. The first one was just remark.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
We watched it again this morning, so this is amazing.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, it was making the rounds on the social media
is kind of the best.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is there still a great deal of pressure on the
individual video teams to like do something.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yes, so somebody lands who wrote the article. Somebody wrote
the article of that this is kind of like the
super Bowl for NFL digital teams, that the schedule release
videos has become.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Their super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, somebody wrote an I think you're probably right because
here it is Monday morning quarterback.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
You may think today is schedule release a but for
social and video teams around the league, it is also
the NFL's creative super Bowl. G Manzano twenty four. On
the one night thirty two teams try to go viral.
You retweet in case people would be so said, I've
been on dating apps and people are like, what are
you guys doing for this year's schedule release video? It's
g Manzano staff right there. So that's yeah, so there's

(13:11):
an article about it.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Just retweeted. Yeah, there you go go.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, So that's the So we'll and stuff's leaking out
today and we'll talk about some of it.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
We have had nothing, although I just saw a leak
that just happened within I guess fifteen minutes ago about
potentially our Week one game.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
But that's it.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
We have had.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
We've had nothing. No, it's been all quiet, all quiet
here on the on the Western front. You've gotten some
of the Internet, all the international stuff, some of the
primetime stuff. It's all starting to leak out a little bit.
One thing that the NFL has done and we're seeing
that even in some of the leaks is they've been
going division play to start. You've seen that a lot,
and so you know that's something to kind of pay

(13:53):
attention to around the league. Is is it divisional to
get it go, to get you going? That's that's something
to want. I think for most fans, though, I think
if there's a way for the NFL to do I
know why they do it now. I get it, like
you basically have a Wednesday in the middle of May
that you can own to a certain extent, at least
people in NFL circles can own. But if it were

(14:16):
to release the same time that you know who you're
going to play because we know who we're playing. Yep,
you know, it's just the order yep that we're kind
of waiting on is the order. And I think most
fans are curious, all right, what's my home opener? Do
I have primetime games?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Do I have holiday?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Am I playing on a holiday? Do I have holiday games?
How many games do I have when the weather's good?
If we're here and we've got to play in some
of the most god awful weather on the planet, you know,
if that's the case, how many of those do we have?
What games can I take my kids to? What games
can I do this? That's usually what it is is
looking for those things. But I think the thing most
people want to know is when's the home opener. That's

(14:53):
like a holiday around here, the home opener. So that's
that's the thing that you're looking for.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Most of the Week one schedule, in fact, I think
has been I think the full Week one schedule has
been linked, has been leaked across the entire league.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Oh, I have not seen it. I've not seen the
Week one schedule, but nothing would surprise I haven't seen anything.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, the Wholigans t off at five point thirty. There go,
I am the prize.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I know supposedly the Ravens opens the season Sunday night
football at the Bills, which would be quite a game.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
So I was just talking with this morning. I was
sorry with somebody down in Cincinnati. By the way that
the accounts of the Trey Hendrickson thing. I'll give you
a couple of minutes. So I Mike petrechli is on
who I've had. He's been on that beat for a
long time. They get a lot of really good dudes
on that beat. I've used Mike before, and so I
had him on this morning and we were I said,

(15:50):
I go, when were you aware of this, that this
was happening? And he goes, when I saw him walking
across the street. It is when they became aware. So
this was one of they have one practice a week
that's open that. I'm sure we have a similar one
practice a week that's opened. Sure we have not okay,
well down there that.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Used to be every Wednesday was availability.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, So that they still do that down I don't know.
So I don't know what we're doing, but they still
do that. So once a week they have access to
involuntary workouts and so I guess that schedule was made
abundantly clear to those covering the Bengals, and then also
Trey Hendrickson would have that schedule. So apparently Trey looked
at it and said, I want to get my side
of the story out, So I'm just going to go

(16:33):
to camp. Now. He's under contract, so he has a
right to be there. And Mike told this story about
how all of a sudden, Trey Henderson's walking across like
he's going to go play up around at Camargo, and
instead he walks over and the Bengals PR person grabbed
him and they went and talked like and what Mike
described as a very like seemed like a very warm

(16:54):
conversation for about forty five minutes. They went and talked,
and then he went by himself and just walked over
to the media. So I was I said, Mike, I've
never seen anything quite like this where you have a
guy who's says he's gonna hold out, is not going
to play under this contract, and all of these things

(17:14):
show up for involuntary on the premises of the team.
Now he's under contracts, you can't tell him no, he's
he's allowed to be there. He's under contract, and then
have his own press conference to besmirch the team. In
the eyes of the team, surreal, never have seen anything
like It.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Doesn't sound like there's a happy ending now.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Mike says he thinks there will be his His Well,
I don't know that they're gonna pony up, but he
was explaining to me. I said, well, how does this
land with Mike Brown and Katie Blackburn? I mean down there?
How does ownership? How does that land? He goes, they
have become he said this. He said, they've become experts
in tuning out public noise. So he said they don't care.

(17:59):
You don't care. And he said they've got goodwill because
they've gotten Chased done, They've gotten Higgins done. He's under contract.
He said, I'm sure this thing will get worked out.
My guess is they'll come to some sort of an agreement.
What Trey was really upset about is the things that
they have said about him in his view at the
combine and the lead up to the draft, and he
has not heard from them since.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
The direct They've ghosted him him.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So that's what set him off. When Zach said, if
you don't go to if you don't text him. If
you don't come to mini camp, you will be fined.
And that's what set him off. He's like, well, why
are you texting me that. Why can't you just call
my representation and work out a new deal. The Bengals
response to that is, you're under contract. There is no
new deal. We've already compensated you. You agreed to the
restructure and all those things. So anyway, I thought that

(18:44):
was really surreal the way that that took place down there.
And of course, as I aligned yesterday outline yesterday on
the show, because of the way that their circumstances are,
this would be like if our team facilities were down
at the stadium and our practice feel over the Science Center.
They have to walk across a public street street that's working.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yes, they put petitions up and they walk across it.
Barricades up and they walk across it to go practice,
so everyone can see who's there and who's not. You
can't hide it, can't hide it here. You if that
type of thing took place, you'd never know. If you
weren't a practice, you'd never know.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So anyway, that's that's what happened down in uh, Cincinnata.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
We played some of the audio yesterday. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
He's what I don't think.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
My takeaway from it whise that it makes you wonder
if anything's gonna get done. Is it does not feel
he did not feel like somebody who was there to
like lobby and let's find a compromise.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
He sounded like he was hurt. He was pissed.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yep, And basically I've told you guys, what the deal
is that that happen or I'm not playing?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, he'd dropped. He brought up Miles, He brought up
Daniel Hunters as examples of how things ought to be handled.
Here's the one thing for them that's a little tricky.
This is the second time a Marquee player publicly said
that that organization lied to them. The other one was
Jamar Chase and he signed. Now they got past it

(20:24):
and he signed. Remember Chase last year in camp was
like they told me I'd have a new deal and
I don't. So that's two of those now from Marquee
players of what's going on, Like you tell me we're negotiating,
then you never call like, what's happening here.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
So that's and who's on those calls? Is it Duke Tobin?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I have no idea. I don't know if it's Mike
Mike Brown, how much he is it? If it's Duke Tobin,
is it? Is it Katie Blackburn, I don't know. I
don't know. So anyway, all right, I really thought the
Cavs would win last night. I really did. Yep, they
did not know.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
As it turns out, no very It's tough because you
could kind of see as the game unfolded where it
was headed. And in fact, for there was a stretch
in the third quarter where it felt like they might
get run off the court. They showed a little heart.
They definitely fought back, but they just there are a

(21:25):
couple things. Number One, you can't have in a close
out game like this or an elimination game Garland, Mitchell
and strus So I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I have this correct offs on my head.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
You can fact check me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
I think they went twelve of fifty from the floor.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
They went twelve of fifty from the floor, and they
went four of twenty five from three.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Can't have that. You can't miss six free throws in
the fourth quarter. I mean, Mitchell is incredible to watch.
He has an uncanny ability. Like I was watching that
game at one point, I'm like, all right, it is
clear to me that the league does not want the
Calves out when you were looking at like Pacers guys
getting like shut to the ground going to the basket
and no calls, and then Mitchell shot more free throws,

(22:03):
and I think the Pacers attempted as a team.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, that could be. I think that's I think that's right.
You end up fifteen to twenty one. I think I
could be wrong.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
It was at one point it was true. It may
not have ended true. We got it, pull it up.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah. Yeah, Mitchell last night went fifteen to twenty one,
as I said, and the Pacers a team went seventeen
to twenty two. Okay, So he had right on it, Yeah,
right on it.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
And that was probably buttressed by some free throws at
the end.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
They just it's the same thing. And by the way,
to go out four to one three years in a row.
So it is what the Knicks in the first round
two years ago, Celtics second round last year, and this
second round this year, and kind of the same, like
they just get physically dominated.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's I think there's a couple of things.
I think number one like, who knows what happens if
you're healthy and it's real. I mean, their injuries are real.
They had four significant injuries to four of their five
crunch players. So that's not going to go well when
you have that. There might be some flaw in the

(23:11):
makeup in terms of there has to be the way
that the roster has built.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, regular season the playoffs are very different.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, and that's the last point I was going, is
that the way that the league is played now, from
my vantage point, it appears to me as if the
league is officiated differently in the regular season than the postseason,
and that they allow a lot of clutching and grabbing
and shoving and physicality that you don't see in the

(23:38):
regular season. And so it's the onus, I guess, is
on the teams to make sure their rosters are built
for the former not the latter. Yes, but it's not
officiated the same, it's not. The physicality is upped a lot,
and they don't have that type of team.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
As it should because it's playoff basketball.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
But to your point, Yeah, the regular season creates almost
a false sense of what you are. I think the
same when sixty four games they're incredibly good regular season.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
And then also.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
The Calves, you know, almost not that they were unique
in what they did with the basketball, but over a
seven game series, you get people who know what you're doing,
know who you are, and then it becomes about some
adjustments and in game changes. And I thought that the
Pacers played a better brand of offensive basketball in terms
of ball movement, in terms of getting the shots that

(24:34):
they wanted, the ability to get uncontested shots. The Pacers
struck me as like if you were to disband both
teams and then like draft players, you know back in
you're gonna probably be heavy on the Calves early. But
the Pacers just have a better like they're a professional

(24:54):
basketball team. Everybody kind of knows their role. They all
have a toughness and a tenacity to them. Halliburton is
obviously really good and doesn't get as much credit as
he should. Sackham is a three time All Star. Siackham's
an excellent player. Turner knows exactly what he's supposed to
do and can knock down shots. I mean, he put
the dagger in from three, and that's a big seven

(25:14):
foot guy. They've got Mathurin who's kind of scrappy, Nestsmith
is good, and then the Nemhart is good.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Like they just have guys that know their roles on
the team. Spencer comes in for a little bit, that
guy Bryant comes in for a little bit. But they
know their roles. They do what they're supposed to do,
and they executed. I felt like too much. Our our
offense really wasn't an offense. It was kind of like
picking rolls at the top. And then Mitchell goes one
on one and drew a lot of fouls. Didn't make
a lot of shots. He drew a lot of fouls,

(25:45):
and then everybody's kind of saying, right, I think Evan
Mobley needs to be more of a focal point of
your offense. He can't be taking twelve shots a game.
He needs to be a fifteen to sixteen plus shot
a game guy. Yep, he was your most We were
dominating that game. We were going inside, and then it's
like we're not doing that anymore. So it was either
one on one ISOs or it was chuck up a three.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yep. And by the way.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Have you seen a team get more free throws off
of three point attempts than the Calves got last night?

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean those are.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Tons, yeah, tons, They got a four point play, but
to go and then you go oh for three, Like
Mitchell gave you everything he got.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
He can't have any problem with him. You know that.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
It wasn't from a lack of hearts or or give
a dang Strus played the same way, although he just
could not buy a bucket. And you watch that it
was almost like a video game where the settings were
just changed mid game in that third quarter where it's
like the balls just not going to go in, like
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
It's not going in.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
It was just crazy, just how deflating. And to go
oh and three at home in the series brutal. The
Calves lost five games at home to non Pacers teams
this season, including the playoffs. Think they were thirty six
and five not counting the Pacers. They were zero and
five at home against the Pacers this year.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, Sometimes sometimes match make the fights, and there's there's
certainly a part of that. There's also a I think
a true line, a through line rather of the three
point shot. It's such a factor in the NBA now
where you're shooting. I mean the Celtic statistically, it's unbelievable
how many threes they shoot, but all of them do.
I mean the cash at thirty five threes last night

(27:18):
and May nine of thirty five from three. I mean,
that is That's what the game is. If you go
look at these playoff games, whoever wins the three point thing,
nine times out of ten they win the game. I mean,
that's just the way that it goes. It's pretty simple.
I make more threes, you win.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
When I was putting together back when I was playing
a little NBA two K. Yeah, when I was putting
together a team, all I cared about is can everybody
on this team?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
You gotta shohoot three? You gotta shoot it. You take
all your twos? Yeah, take them all. I'll trade you
all day long twos for three.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
So I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
There's not a whole lot. I don't. I mean, it'd
be silly for me to come on here and say,
like what they can do this offseason?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
ICP blow up?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, how what are you gonna do? What can you add?
Who are you going to trade? There's still a a
young team with this group, and I would love to
see them play healthy. And I don't know what you're
I don't know. I don't know that I would upset
the Apple Card on a sixty four win team at
this point.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Just as the question is, but this team is, you'd
have to agree it's clearly not constructed to win an
NBA title.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I don't know that because they weren't healthy. I think
what sucks about this is you did Boston's without Tatum.
So this was your path to the finals? Oh yeah,
a team is gonna would have been a tough out.
They would have because they are. But you should You
have more firepower than them, no doubt, so you should
that you should have been if you're healthy, I think
you beat Indy. Maybe you don't. Who knows, but at
least go seven. We'll see, We'll never know. But the

(28:41):
fact is you the one kryptonite you had all year
was was Boston, and you knew it was gonna be
Their length was gonna be a problem, their shot making
was going to be a problem. And they don't have Tatum.
So and when I think of next year, I think
they're not gonna have Tatum next year either.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
No, not in toll No, No.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Like, would you even bring him back for a second
round coming off Achilles, like throwing him into the playoff?
I don't know that you would. You might just give
him the whole year off at that point. So when
I look around the East, I'm like, well, who's going
to get demonstratively better? So Mobiley takes that step you're
talking about, now you're you're the best team in the

(29:18):
East again and handle your business. But I so I
probably wouldn't touch it. Indiana.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I feel like Indiana New York are teams that could
add some things that could be pretty good.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I don't Yeah, they could, I don't know enough about that.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Get Polo, You're blow it up for Polo.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Well, they're talking about do they send I saw somebody say,
do they send? Uh?

Speaker 3 (29:39):
This?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Your love affair with him came because you watched it.
You watched a game. Is that what it was?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I've watched a ton of him.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
No, no, no, but like you saw him in person and
you were like, and you've been on him ever since.
It's been your guy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
The thing that sucks is now, like I'm not watching
much of the hockey playoffs, and now I'm not going
to watch much of the NBA.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm kind of.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Play Indiana New York though for me has not necessarily
memories of great basketball, but memories of drudgeraritty, but violence,
a lot of seventy two, seven, sixty three, seventy two,
eighty those were finals, kids, for the for the youngster,
those would be final scores, not first half scores. Those
would be final scores. And then of course the great

(30:19):
Reggie Miller. And I think Reggie's on the call of
the Eastern Conference Finals.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I just I just picked a random year where I
knew that they played. All right, this is the Eastern
Conference Finals, nineteen ninety four. Okayn Conference Like Anthony Mason,
Uh yeah, I would like Dale David Shrimp, Yeah, Mark Jackson,
Mark Jackson. Game one was a banger one eighty nine.
Game two was eighty nine seventy eight. Game three was

(30:48):
eighty eight sixty eight. Game Game four was eighty three
seventy seven. Game five was ninety three eighty six, Game
six was ninety eight ninety one in Game seven was
ninety four ninety not a one. Only once did one
of the two teams reach triple digits.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Let me tell you some and they paid the iron
price for every bucket they got on that. Who can
you pull up one box score? Like sure, I want
to know who's on th Knix teams?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Like was Oakley there?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
All right? So your pacers were Reggie Miller, Haywood Workman
played thirty five minutes, he was a little guard, Dale Davis,
Jale Davis, Dereck McKee played forty one minutes. Rick Smith
Smith's rather the Duncan Dutchman, The Duncan Dutchman, a Verne
Fleming and Antonio Davis, Alsal Thomas Fleming, Byron Scott, Sam Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, so that is.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, remember where Rick Smith's went to college?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, not a Maris marrist Yeah, you're right, Marris Good.
The Knicks are John Starks, Charles Smith, Patrick Ewing, Derek Harper,
Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Yesh, Hubert Davis, Herb Williams, and
Greg Anthony.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Weren't they like thump and bump? Is that what they.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Called Anthony, Mason and Gray And.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'm yeah, I think they're a thump and bump and
they just were violent.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, they would win a lot of fights. And Charles
Smith was no shrinking violet. He was too, like they
had a wanted to fight Reggie.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Was he Pitt Charles?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh yeah, Pitt.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Remember when they when Jerome broke a back.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Broke a backboard? Yeah for sure, No, yeah, that was
there's an incredib anymore. Yeah, I think the technology has come.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
A long way.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
There's they've there's an incredible documentary on It's Arnold Palmer
playing his last US Open. I just wanted did you
watch this game one of the NBA Finals the Knicks. No, No,
it's old. It's a thirty for thirty game one of
the NBA Finals between the Knicks and Rockets. There is
a Rangers celebration of a parade. There's one other thing

(32:56):
like is it is World Cup? Well that's the that
was the trump card. But I want to say there's
also like wimbled Inner.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
You know who was on the call World Match Day,
Donovan the voice, the voice was on the call the call.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He was on the call of the World Cup. And
it was all overshadowed by O Jason.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Miss Kay did not like it because it wasn't any
There weren't any interviews, there weren't any It was literally
just like actual clips of either the games themselves or
the sports center talking about what was going on. But
it was never like nobody gave perspective. It was literally
just like here is the day, here's the day, and
here's somebody together all the clips I love.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm like, there, give it, this is this is how
what happened. That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
There were no interviews. It was just it was.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Vehicle this is the day. Yeah, it was crazy. All right,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
That just popped up.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
That's so weird.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
It just pop up on my TV and we I
just started watching.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I'm like, this is great, it's really good.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
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we go around the sports world in the NFL at
large on schedule release day, stuff starting to trickle out
around the league. The Chiefs will visit the Cowboys on Thanksgiving?
And is this a four point thirty? Is this new

(34:57):
on Thanksgiving? When are they normally? Are they normally one
in four thirty?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
The Cowboys? Cowboys always play fourth fourth playing the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, oh oh fine, you're saying, find a fun game.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, Cowboys Giant that's right.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, because it's been the divisional play. So the Chiefs
are playing this and Christmas? Right, were the Cowboys? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
From the stuff that we know in terms of those
like prime time things were.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
In one second. There's so much stuff that's leaked out
and it's like I read it and then I'm onto
the next.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Well, everything's been basically been leaked out. You're talking Chiefs. Okay,
So we know the Chiefs are supposed have they announced
the Brazil game yet? Well, we know it's them, right,
we know it's them, but I don't know if it's
been announced.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It has not been announced because I think they were
still firming up the YouTube contract, which got done yesterday
during our show. I believe. All right, So it's Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
They're playing the Chargers there.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
They've got Thanksgiving at Dallas and then Christmas that week
they are hosting Denver, so they're playing Friday Friday night.
They've got I'm sure they're gonna have multiple Sunday night
footballs as well. And then they've got Thanksgiving and Christmas.

(36:20):
And they did Christmas last year. That's a tough that's
a I'm not.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
When you think about, like the people that are involved
now this year, they're home for Christmas. Last year, I
want to say they were in Pittsburgh. Remember that makes
it happen more.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
We talked about this a few months ago, like they
went to the league and they're like, we want to
be known the Ways and the Cowboys are known on Thanksgiving.
We want to be known as the Christmas game.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Well, the good thing about that is that the home
team every time, they were always at home, because that's
what Dallas and and Detroit get. Dallas is also playing
on Christmas, as is Detroit. So you've got Dallas Detroit
and Kansas City all both are all.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Both yeah, yeah, I look, it's this is the old
Don Draper mad men. That's what the money's for. I mean,
that's why you're playing in all these spots and Black
Fridays and all these Saturdays in December and all these holidays.
You're doing it because your television partners demand it, because
you're the most popular sport entity on the planet ye

(37:26):
at the moment within your own country. So the ratings
are what the ratings are, and they paid a lot
of money, and so this is what you get is
a little bit of that. So the full schedule drops
tonight at eight, that's right, all right, So there you go.
Free agent wide receiver gave Davis the forty nine ers
on Monday with the Giants today. Giants head coach Brian
Dable was officive coordinator in Buffalo during Davis's first two seasons.

(37:50):
The Jaguars released Davis with a failed physical designation. A
couple other things in the football world that I want
to get into this baseball thing with you for a
little bit. See these images of Nick Cage and Christian Bale.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I did.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
First of all, Christian Bale looks exactly like Al Davis.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
And Nick It's is nothing like Madden, nothing other than
the hair.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, is there a reason? I mean, was there a
need to make this movie? And then how did they
get Christian Bale? I understand how they got Nick Cage.
I think he'll do anything at the moment. He's been
in fifty movies in the last twenty two years. I've
never heard of but like Bail is still I mean
he was Batman. Yes, how the hell did they get
him to do this?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
And is there a need for this movie?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
No, I don't. I don't believe so.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
But I think it's going to be about the video
game or do you think.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
It's because they did the whole there's a whole documentary
about the video game.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
So this is just about like his time being the
coach and.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
If al Davis it seems that way.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean that's a crazy group of humans. I mean
that's Kenny Stabler and Jack Tatum in the mix YEP
at that time in the seventies with the Raiders. Alzato
came after, I believe, but there's a there's a lot
of characters on that team. But yeah, I don't know,
I do have some breaking news from Adam Schefter. All Right,

(39:06):
Derrick Henry and the Ravens agreement today on a two year,
thirty million dollar extension that includes twenty five million fully
guaranteed over the next two years. Per Todd Frantz of
Athletes First, the largest deal in NFL history for a
running back over thirty years old.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Wow, so he's there for two more years.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
They they just they do just handle things. Yeah, it's
a very very good They draft, well, they signed guys.
People want to go there and play. I think some
of that came from the way that, you know, like
there's still so much for the younger players, there's so
much that they look up to Ray Lewis and ed
Reid still that they look back in the Ravens kind
of in that kind of in the way. It's funny

(39:48):
we're talking about the Raiders kind of in the way
when when we were kids, people looked at the Raiders
like you would see guys go there for their last
cup of coffee or one more year in their prime.
Like people just wanted to be Raiders. I think people
just want to play for the Ravens. Yeah, they just do.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, it seems like it's a good place. They're pretty
they've been pretty pretty good. So yeah, we'll see. By
the way, supposedly the Dolphins full schedule has been leaked.
That could be a problem for somebody in that building. Yeah,
and they play.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Us, they do, so maybe'll you'll get a little something
on that.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
We know that we play them, We do play them.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, that's right. ESPN is gonna launch their direct consumer
streaming service in the fall twenty nine ninety nine per month.
That's for the all in, no commercials, everything available twenty
nine ninety nine a month. At'll off for forty seven
thousand live events per year, including Studio Show's original programming,
new streaming Apple debut, a personalized sports center for you
that will taylor coverage to your preferences, track the teams

(40:42):
you root for. I think it already does. This isn't rianthetically.
I think they already do that. It will include shows
like Get Up, First, Take, NFL Live, and The Pat
McAfee Show. The Rich Eisen Show is moving to ESPN
this fall. We broadcast on ESPN streaming service, as will
remain the featured host of the NFL Networks game Day
and draft coverage. ESPN also approached Colin Cowherd about a deal,

(41:03):
but decided to stay with Fox Sports instead. So this
is just let's get everything we can under one umbrella.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
And well we're going to attack it multiple fronts.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
But does that mean like, so I have YouTube TV,
you have cable. We get ESPN and ESPN ESPN News.
So who's it for people that have.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
People who just want the app, who don't want YouTube
TV and don't want to pay for cable. They're going
to pay thirty bucks for ESPN. They'll get everything that
comes with that along with their high speed internet, and
then you get fifty five apps to navigate from one
to the next and not be able to flip off
of anything and be stuck in a prison of entertainment.
That's where you're at. How do you feel about it?

(41:43):
Prison entertainment?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
There are as far as prison go.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It sucks. I live this world with Peacock all the
last two years with Buckeye bask. It just sucks. You're
just stuck in there, you can't get out. Here's here's
what's great about being And you tell me YouTube TA
can do this. I know Cable can do this. Calves
goes Final last night Okay, I need something to occupy
forty five minutes of my time before I go to bed. Yep,
what do I go find? Let's go see what's on

(42:11):
the movie channels. I flip down to h sh ok, yeah,
yeah I can Final episode, Season three, Sopranos, Fantastic Tony
sil Pauli Walnuts taking big pussy out to go put
the end of problems. Let's be done. That's what you
That's what I'm talking about. That's yeah, that's flipping. That's

(42:34):
what I like. I don't like being stuck watching a
commercial when I can bounce.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
That's your that's like your your yard time.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
That's heaven for me to be able to bounce down
and go, oh, let's go see a little bot ride
on the Stugatts.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Why not, let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
That's flipping. So I can't stand this stuff. I can't
stand the apps, as you could probably tell. No, you're
definitely anti app all right, now they decide to make
Pete Rose eligible.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Now it doesn't make a shoeless Joe Jackson as well.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
For the descendants, like, what do we doing?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
I don't know, it seems ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
I would be insulted if I were Roses family, I
don't want your invitation. I don't want, I don't need
any of this. Yes, if you didn't have the decency
to do it when he was alive, and now you're
gonna all of a sudden, baseball is gonna have a
mea call pup would when he's dead. Screw you.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
So I'm with you, I think So it's funny. How
it's not funny, it's just crazy. But Manford, part of
the reason he said that they're doing this is because
you can no longer harm baseball once you're pasted.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
He's a bombs of what doing.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
By the way, shoeless Jo's been passed for it's.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Been a long time, quite some time, speak quite sometime.
So we got that going out with baseball. We got
a fixed lottery in basketball.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah you missed all that.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I know you guys talked about it. Yeah, we texted them.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Let's just do this on Rose real quick. You probably
because you did fantasy football and then you did this show.
Did you ever do a daily radio show that wasn't
football related specifically?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
No, you have plenty, you.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Know, damn good andwell, and I'm sure it was the
same way here as it was in Columbus on a
July Tuesday. If you need three hours talk Pete Rose,
Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Two on six five, seven, eighty eight fifty.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
And let it go? You could do that for three
hours once a year, and not just in the state
of Ohio. You could do that nationally once a year
for twenty five years. Yeah, you could do it.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
The funny thing is, now that this comes out, I
would imagine you would say that it is the interest
in that as a topic is as low as it's
ever been. There are a great many people who are
listening that Pete Rose.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Oh no, and I'm and the Shoeless Show thinks, I mean,
there's eight Men out and Field of Dreams are both
based on his operation. Yeah, this is the nineteen nineteen
White Sox, for God's sakes, What are we doing? What
are we doing?

Speaker 5 (45:22):
So?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, I I think that. And here's the other thing.
I saw this, and I some people crowing about it,
so like baseball allows them to be They're not ineligible
anymore for baseball. Great, they're gone. But then the other
thing is is like the baseball writers are like, well,
they still got to get past us, Like, is there
a more pompoused group of curmudgeons on the planet than

(45:44):
the baseball writers. They're the gatekeepers.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
No, you're going to arbitrarily decide that Mike Piazza didn't
use performance enhancing but Mark maguire did. Like this what
we're doing. Mark Mike Piazz is in he's in Cooperstown.
But these guys, we're pretty sure he didn't. But he did.
We're sure none of it was illegal at the time.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
The week after McGuire passes, one day down the road,
he's no longer hurting baseball. Now we're putting him in.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
If you're gonna have a Hall of should be in it.
If you're gonna have a Hall of the first ballot
and you cannot write the if you cannot write the
history of the game without the player, then they need
to be in the hall. That's right, and you can.
So that's Sosa, McGuire, Bonds, Clemmens, pal Marrow, all those guys.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Is crazy and McGuire saved.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Basically all turned about a blind eye.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
I remember that summer. I remember being in my in
my room at the Parity House, like we have people
piled in to listen on the radio or to obviously
they started broadcasting every game down the stretch to watch
those chase it. They're gonna at homers and guess what
they did.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
They hit a lot of them. What was crazy is
McGuire got there first and then Sosa passed.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Him, I know, and mc I had to pass him
on the last day.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
To come back and hit it. He hit a couple
in his last game. Yeah, git to seventy to get
to seventy. Sosa ended with sixty six sixty eight. Let's
then a couple of years later, Bonds hit seventy three
and it's like.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Twelve time All Star, Golden Glove winner, not a Hall
of Famer. He hit seventy and sixty five in those
in back to back years. By McGuire also had seasons
where he hit forty nine, fifty two, fifty eight. Well
before any of this, Let's a guy led the league
in sleging percentage.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Bonds out of that era. Bonds is out. That's the
end of your conversation. That's your that's your example. One
of what are we doing. His Bonds is not in.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
The Hall of Sosa hit sixty four that year. McGuire
hit seventy or sixty six that year, six sixty six,
and then Sosa went sixty six, sixty three, fifty sixty four,
forty nine.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, pretty good run. Yeah, So I don't know. I
think it's silly and Bonds the seven time MVP.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
The weird thing about Bond is he had seventy three
in two thousand and one. Does not have another season
above forty six anywhere in his career.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, well they just by the after that, they just
stopped pitching to him. Yet, what's his on base during
that run? He led the NFL led Major League Baseball
in net like every year by one hundred fold.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
He led it, and going back to the nineties with Pittsburgh,
he led an on base percentage one two three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine times. He's a seven time MVP. He led
the league in intentional walks one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten eleven twelve times, including in the year two thousand

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and four, he was intentionally walked one hundred and twenty times. Yeah,
which is the most anybody's ever been intentionally walked in
a season. Put that in perspective, I said that he
led the league intentional walks I think twelve times whatever
I end up counting, never was walked more than seventy
prior to that season where he walked one twenty and
it only been walked more than forty three two other times,
Like one hundred twenty intentional walks of this season is

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absolutely outrageous and thirty two walks that year two hundred
and thirty two walks.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Is he still? Is he popular in the Bay Area?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
It's interesting because I mean, he's He's from California, went
to uh Era, went to Sarah High School, which was
right across the bay from US. I think so, I
don't know. I asked my dad about thanks.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I wonder what like his what's his uh what's his popularity?
Like even in San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
I think that even now, and I could be this
could just because I'm speaking through my own lens, like
baseball and baseball greats, like it's all it's been a
steady drop, like no doubt, like when my dad would
be Willie Mays but everybody knew. Now it's I don't know.
I like, it's like Joe. He's not Joe Montana, No, no, no, no,

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is he Steve Young?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I mean I would imagine. My hunch is that the
most the two most popular athletes in San Francisco history
are Joe Montana and Steph Curry. I think that's right.
I think that is, And then I would say Bonds
would be, but he never they ever wanted. They also
didn't win it with him.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Steve Young is not even and I'm being not saying
this my own personal biases in't anywhere near the top
of that.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
No, no, no, I don't think that he would.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Like Chris Mullins and Tim Hardaway, metrichmand TMS, even though
they didn't win anything, are more popular in Steve Young
than Bear, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman. Tom Rathman
very popular he was.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, No, that's so I don't know. I don't know
where Bonds lands on that. If he's just blow step
and popular as like Buster Posey, who was I think
the catcher for two or three World Series championships. So
I don't and he was a he'll be a borderline
Hall of.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Fame, I think very distant, distant. I just think baseball
in general doesn't have the same no as ones dead.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
How about that? Well, not Orange Jeb to you, I
like it a lot, all right. Second hour of the program,
we'll get Todd mcshaye breaking down the Browns draft class.
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twenty twenty five NFL draft class.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
This to me was like an AA minus draft. Now,
I don't give.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Out grades, but I'll just i'll let.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Like, if I were to do grades, I'll give it
some perspect this one would be up there with some
of the best, because.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I said on Draft night.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
It takes onions to make a move as a thirty
thirty something GM, first time in that job, in that seat,
and James Gladstone did it to move up to get
Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You know what takes real onions?

Speaker 6 (52:52):
Yeah, it does real onions when you when you haven't
been winning and you're gonna bypass sho he Atani possibly
and trade back to get next year's You talk about
someone who's sitting in that seat, and Andrew Berry who
is taking the organizational organizational priorities and putting it ahead

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of his priorities and Kevin Stefanski's priorities of winning now
to save their jobs. He feels safe and hopefully Jimmy
has them, has told him you are safe because he
just made a move of a general manager who has
the luxury to do that, and it's brilliant. It's brilliant.
They move back and get a defensive tackle in Mason

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Graham that most most teams, not all, but most teams
viewed as a top five, top seven player. Some team
sell of them at like three or four. You put
him next to Miles Garrett.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Who apparently loved the pick. By the way, how could
you not? I know, right?

Speaker 6 (53:51):
And so now it's gonna be ferociousus. There you go,
ferotious this front with Malie Collins, Shelby Harris, Miles Garrett.
It's gonna be fun to watch and you're not gonna
have to score a ton of points. Okay, And they
move back and they get the first round next year.

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Now they drafted two more quarterbacks. I didn't think we
get into the other pant.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
We're gonna get into the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
But let's let's talk about how they hit.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
I think a home run on every player that wasn't
a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
Carson Schwessinger from UCLA, the linebacker, first pick in the
second round.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
You may think that's too early. I love that pick.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
I think he was going in that round. Yes, I
love very.

Speaker 7 (54:35):
Productive guy, only one year starter UCLA, former walk on
with a special team Dace and then just blew up
last year, I mean led the country in solo tackles.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Great player.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Love that pick. The two backs they.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
Get quin Shawn Judkins exactly what they need, that powerful
downhill runner. And then they got Dylan Samson in the
fourth round. Yes, I know, the two backs home runs.
Then they get Harrold fannin Junior, the yach king uh
In the Fantasty's offense again with in Djoku like you
you can have more than one great tight end.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I love that.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
I love that having twelve personnel running it right, Like
I mean, they hit a home run on all of
their picks outside of the quarterbacks, and then we.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Can get into that.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
I'm not I'm not saying that the home the quarterbacks
were terrible picks. They're not terrible pick, but the other
picks were home runs the quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I have.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
I have questions about what this And quite honestly, I've
talked enough about Shador Sanders, Like you can go back
and watch the last five shows leading up to each
round each night as it happened, right after it happened.
We've talked enough about it. What I what I find
interesting Browns fans is sometimes the draft tells you what

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the team is looking to be more of next year.
Judkins over Travon Henderson tells me.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Exactly what statisical.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Man, We're gonna line up and we're gonna pound you.
We got Miles Garrett, we got Mason Graham. We got
a damn good defense. We're gonna stuff it down your throat,
and we're gonna do it with Quinn Shawn Judkins, who
I told you had a one five to one ten
yard split, the most explosive back I saw on tape
from out of his stance through the line of scrimmage.

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So he is gonna get up on your ass and
a flash and he's gonna pound you.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And maybe it only.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Lasts three four years in terms of but but we're
gonna we're gonna maximize that. And then we get Dylan Samson.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
Yeah, you know, yeah, we're not We're not gonna talk
about the quarterback situation.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
I gotta talk about it.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
These two quarterbacks outside of Miami, for for Dylan Gabriel
as being the other and for Door as being another option,
they landed in the best spot that they could possibly
land and Dylan Gabriel, yes it was. I don't care
about where they were drafted. We're now talking about what
they're gonna be in for this organization by you using

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a third round pick, which blew my socks off. If
I'm gonna be honest on Dylan Gabriel. But then just
a fifth round pick on Shador Sanders. There's zero pressure
and even though it's Shadoor, there's zero pressure that these
guys have to play. Ever Ever, Shador if he comes

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in and uses pick one like Brady used one ninety
nine to light the biggest fire in the world under
him and to get under the get out of the
bubble that is the the the Dion Sanders home and
goes in and attacks and learns and studies and takes

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that process. I don't want to say more seriously, but
is more effective in that process of walking in humbled
and saying this like it's time to go to work,
like actual work. He's got every opportunity to succeed. I've
said for months now there's one place I want to
see him go play, and it's because of one human being,
and that's Kevin Stefanski. And we talked about in the past,

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right the quarterbacks he's won games with.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I hear you.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I mean the case Keenan's of the world, the kirk
Cousins of the world.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I get it. And we got a first next year.
I understand.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
Here's we got a first next year in case neither
of these two wind up being the guy.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
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Speaker 2 (59:00):
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Speaker 3 (59:07):
Howdy gentlemen, any buddy a little higher or lower? Let's
do it high or lower? Twenty five all right, NFL
QB power rankings. Okay from CBS quarterback Cody Benjamin. What's that?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Quarterback power rankings?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Quarterback power rankings post draft, So he says, we decided
to take stock of all thirty two teams and sort
today's projected starting quarterbacks, accounting for not only their recent results,
but current status and outlook. The rankings will obviously change,

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but this first go round is our best take on
how each and every gunslinger stacks up at this moment.
So my question to you, or my challenge to you,
is to give me the in quarterbacks that are in
that are his top ten in No, you can just
throw them out. We'll just see if you can get

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the ten. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I think there's I think there's a mount Rushmore Tier one. Okay,
Kansas City. That would be Mahomes, Borough, Allen and Lamar. Okay,
that's my tier one? Where would you rank Patrick Mahomes
I have him won? You would be incorrect on this.
They went there probably they went Lamar. I bet one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I have him won as well?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Lamar or Pat Patrick Mahomes Yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Has only been the FC Championship with the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
That's it, right, Like, what are we doing? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
He's not number one?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
That's here?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
To give me another guest.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
So we got Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
And Holmes is in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
In the top ten, is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
It by the team or the quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Quarterback? Only it's quarterback. We're just doing quarterbacks, but says top.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Ten teams projected starting quarterbacks. So is it by their
quarterback name or by the team?

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Is by the quarterback name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Okay, all right, so I've got Mahomes Okay, so where Lamar?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
He's one of the ten. Lamar is one of the ten,
Alan one of the ten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Borrough Okay, that's my tier one. Are those four should
be the top four?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah? They're not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
They're not the top It's okay, hold on all right,
hold on Hurts Hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Yep, that's five.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Jaden Daniels, that's six, Jared Goff, that's seven, Stafford eight Herbert,
uh No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
If they were going to have them in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
He's in my questionables, I would have him in, but him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Uh did we do?

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Did you do?

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Love? You did not do love? Love is in love?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
And then I'm gonna get I think it's it's going
to be we need two.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
More party or Stroud Stroud.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
It would be party Party your top ten?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Oh? I actually, how did I miss? Who's the who
I missed?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
CJ Is thirteen?

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Who was the one I missed that? I had? You
had Herbert in, I had Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Burrow, Hurts, Daniels,
goth Loves oh.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
GoF yeah, Stafford love party?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
So we did good?

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
That was I had that I had my next people
I had. I had Stroud, Herbert, Baker, Dak and Tua.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Who was number eleven on that list?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I can tell you number eleven is Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
That's why I actually had it. That's where he was
on my list.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Now, would you like to guess who's number one on
this list?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
You have Baker ahead Herbert. I had Herbert ahead a Baker.
But if I crossed him out and then I had
went to Baker, had a Stroud. Yeah, I went Tampa, Miami, Dallas, Houston, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Stroud was bad last year, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
I watched enough of him not throwing the ball to
people and it was very annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I think not good.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Yeah, I think Stroud's a better quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I'm just trying.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I was all so trying to guess what Cody Benjamin
was gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Say, Oh, well, that's always all right. So he doesn't
have Mahomes one, so he has Lamar.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
One, Nona Alan one, Nope, Burrow Nope, hurts because he
wants he won.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
The super Bowl. Nope.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Number two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Okay, Jaden Emmanuel, I'm out of Jane Daniels one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Number one in your program. Number one in the program,
maybe not number one in your hearts. Jade's game number one?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
What does he say?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Where's my glasses?

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Where's my glass?

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
My gosh? All right, recency bias. Sure, it would be
hard pressed to find an NFL team that wouldn't hurry
to claim him as its quarterback of the present and future.
Contenders included, Well, I can give you four who wouldn't.
He was simply unflappable for much of his dynamic debut,
which ended up on the doorstep of the Super Bowl.

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A second year dip as possible. But who says Daniels
won't keep climbing with some added veteran help in DC.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I'm sorry, Okay, I mean I don't. I really don't
that none of that's true other than that he was
really good. Yeah, and he was a lot better than
certainly I thought I had him. We had him in
our top ten. Like, it's not that we don't have
him in our ten. But that's what yeh, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
You're crowning him awful early.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
But I got news for you. Yet, Stroud would have
been crowd was better as a rookie than Daniels, better
about the same. Statistically, they were about the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Same Pro Football focus.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Now CJ. Stroud had better passing stats. I'm sure he
ran for more. You pull up Stroud'll pull up games.
I have Daniels right now, sixty nine percent completion, so
his completions is higher than Stroud. But he's thirty five
sixty eight, twenty five touchdowns, nine picks.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
He had multiple games where they scored more points where
they had more possessions, like and didn't even have a punt,
where they scored on every possession.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Stroud is a rookie sixty four forty one eight twenty
three and five. What about the running too, because I think,
well the running would be eight ninety one six for Jayden. Yeah,
so he's better there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, Stroud's very good. So in this ranswer, Jane Daniels
is one, Jalen Hurts is two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Okay, all right, so we're not going to be serious
about what we're doing. All right, we're not serious.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Mahomes no nine, Lamar U No, Allen, no Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Burrow was number three.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
I mean Kilmar is number four. People, Hold on, We're
still not at Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Hold on, Lamar Jackson. I just want to remind everybody
in case they were curious. Last year, Lamar Jackson threw
completed sixty seven percent of his passes through for four
and seventy two yards, forty one touchdowns, four picks. Oh,
and he ran for nine hundred and fifteen yards and
let the league get six point six yards of carry
and four touchdowns on the ground. Lamar Jackson should be

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number one. Lamar Jackson had the best season I think
a quarterback maybe has ever had in the history of
the name.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Until he got to the playoffs because they choked again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So that's why I have Mahomes one, and then I
have him two, and Allen three, and then Burrow four.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Lamar is four, Josh Allen is five, Mahomes is sixth.
That's why when I'm like, well he's in the top ten,
he's not even in the top.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Five, all right, So my top six and his top
six were exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Who just different.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
If somebody called Kansas City and wanted to acquire Mahomes
straight up, which of the players listed in this top
ten would Kansas City say? Okay, we got to think
about this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
So ironically, because of age, you're gonna go contracting Daniels.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
But I'm saying to win next year. Nobody who would
make them think Alan.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
They've seen him be.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
He's beaten all beaten, all of them except Burrow. Allen's
never been to a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
No, No, Lamar's has never been to a super Bowl.
That's it. No, So no one would pay I mean, like,
what are we doing talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
What are we doing? Mahomes is sixth, Matt Stafford is seven, okay,
Jordan Love is eight, Goff is nine, and Party is ten.
The other notables I mentioned Herbert twelve, Stroud thirteen, Bo
Nix is fifteen.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Caleb Williams is sixteen, Trevor Lawrence eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Jordan Love wasn't even as good last year as he
was the year before.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Jordan was fine. Hold on, you want to anoy people?
At number twenty ahead of Tua, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray,
Justin Fields, JJ McCarthy, he hasn't even taken a step.
Hold you say, ahead of Tua. He's had to his

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twenty one I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Two years ago, threw for forty six hundred and twenty
four yards.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
JJ do anything? No, really, not Inchigan, but we've never
seen him do anything. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Darnold twenty two, Murray twenty three, Fields twenty four, cam
Ward the first rookie at twenty five. He hadn't even
thrown a ball, and he's ranked ahead of Bryce Young,
Michael Pennox, Junior, Russell Wilson, Our Guy, Joe Flacco, Geez,
Anthony Richardson is thirty, Mason Rudolph thirty one, Tyler Shuck
thirty two.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
How could JJ McCarthy be twenty And that's just absurd.
Maybe he will be, but nobody knows correct And you
can't tell me that if the Los Angeles Chargers said,
justin Herbert's on the table, give us a call. Yeah,
there are several ahead of him that I would bet

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anything would trade for him. And I don't love him
the way you do, But come.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
On, come on that that's the list that's lower for
this week. And I knew we'd have a little fun.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
That's wild, lord, I mean, like guy's always out of
his mind.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
The top six we had, the top six, we've had
different orders.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I would have had Daniels a little lower than you.
He would have been in my top ten, but he
wouldn't have been top Saniel a little lower. I mean,
who do you have ahead of them, Stafford. I didn't
get a chance to write it all down because we
had we started to go while I was in it,
so I was going to do it in tears. And
my first tier was mahomes Lamar, Josh and Burrow, Allan
and Burrow. Then the second tier I had Hurt, Daniels, Love, Stafford,

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Herbert kind of in that next group. And then my
next group would have been like perty Goff Stroud. That
would have been like my fourth tier, and then Bake
would have been in that but pretty similar. We're gonna
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people non golf diehards are aware that the second major
te is off tomorrow morning.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
I mean I would consider myself a golf die and
I saw that, I was like, whoa, because in my
mind the PGA Championship is after the British Open, but
it is not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Now it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I think this is one of the biggest fails they've done.
They thought that they could be like unencumbered by the NFL, yep,
and that's why they did this. But this thing shoehorned
in here, yeah in May. It just doesn't land. It
doesn't at all. And I think the other reason I
read that they did this was so that it could

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open up some of the other courses, like in Texas
because of the heat yep. So if they can play
it now, so meantime they're playing in Charlotte at Quail Hollow,
which is such a boring course. They played there all
the time. I saw Doug Ferguson of the AP talking
about this this morning, longtime golf guy. He said, it's
not it's just that because we see it every year,
because it's a PGA Tour stop, it's the Bank Open, well, Kovia,

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Wells Fargo, whatever it is now it's the Bank Open,
and so because of that, we see the course all
the time, and so it's not special. It's not like
going to Oakland. It's not like going to Shinnecock or
Olympia Fields or whatever like where it's rare to go there.
It's not. So it's like, well, we see this course
all the time. Why what It's just it's a PGH tour,
it's PGA Championship. So what how's this different than the Wakoba.

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It's not. It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
So there arefore have a tour stop of the course?
Hunter Mahon, what do you say?

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
He said basically that it was modern and soulless and
devoid of heart, and he likened it to a Cardassian.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Well that I would think that'd be a pretty good thing.
Every one of those chicks is worth a billion bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
It's good for them. It works out well for that.
On the give minutes compliment, probably not. If Quail Hollow
could have an annual tournament and still get a major,
why can't Mirfield.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Because Jack won't give up the Memorial Tournament for a year.
They could, but Jack doesn't want to give up the Memorial.
What I pitched to them was play one year of
the Memorial because we have not had a major in
the state of Ohio since Toledo. Oh major major since Toledo. Yeah, yeah,

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So what I said was take the Mirfield one year
and go play it at Siyota where Jack learned to play,
and it's an iconic track. There's no parking there, but
they hosted a Senior PGA and the Senior Open, Senior
US Open and it worked fine, right, so little few
fewer people go to the Memorial, but one year at Siota,

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hold it there and then that year hold the US
Open at Merefield because I would love to see that.
Of course the US Opened, oh Man, I think that
would be It would be brutal, it would be, but
that that is something that you'd love to see. But
he doesn't want to give up the Memorial tournament, so
that's why it hasn't. So they do President's Cups and
Ryder Cups and all that, but they don't They'll never

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have a major. So there's there's really no path for
the state of Ohio have a major until like twenty fifty.
All the US Opens, all the PGA Championships, are basically
all booked from here on out, So I don't understand
Quail Hollow at all. I don't get it. I think
it's got no juice. So then you Oakmont for the
US and where's the Open this year? I think it's it?

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Is it Liverpool? Royal Liverpool? I'm not entirely sure, but yeah, so,
and I think they lose this time of year. I
think it loses putting it in here, Royal Port Rush.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I don't know. I'm kind of divided on it because
what else is going on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I do like because it's on, yeah, right, But I
watched it in August. I don't think it got overshadowed
by preseason.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I never watched it in August because we have football.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Yeah, I always watched in August. I liked it. Then
I wonder if you could even do like maybe you
do like last week of July. It just seems weird
to me that American golf that you know, American golf
that people care about is over at the US Open,
like Father's Day for non golf die hards. Golf is

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over in the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
You're missing out on the Open.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Shit, it's the best of the I know that right,
like in this country, major championship standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yeah, and nobody watches a PGA tour after that. They don't.
I mean die dire Golf people do, but nobody else does.
So like it's I like that, Yeah, it really shortened it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
So I just think those should be played at like
cool places, like figure it out, like you didn't you
know that you can have a tournament that still makes
a lot of money without big galleries because they did
it at LACC. Yes, there were not a lot of
people on that course. That course was not set up
to host a major, but they did it because it
was such a cool course and a cool venue and
some of the shots and the scenes you can get

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you can only get on that piece of property.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
So like, go play what's that wolf Creek? Like we'll
have a PG.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
I don't care if it's set up for galleries and whatnot.
Or play the one where he looked like he was
on the moon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Where was that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
And like it's wolf Creek, isn't it mesquite?

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
But then there was another one you sent us that
wasn't Wolf Creek that looked nuts and he's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Going into a canyon. Yoh oh. When I was on
the top of the mountain. Yeah, there's another course there.
Yeah that like do that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah yeah, play that course in Montana that's eight eight
thousand yards with the par five that's seven hundred and
eighty yards or ever downhill play that Yeah yeah, No,
I'm with you. I think you should see something different
and I the Yeah, I don't. There's to me. Quail
Hollow is a nothing. It's nothing, burgers, nothing course.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
What they did that was pretty cool as they put one, two,
and three together in the same group for the first
two days.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Well, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
So it's Rory Rory Scheffler.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I would want to see Bryson with those two. I'm
sure he's not because he's not ranked.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
But yeah, Schoffley, Scheffler and McElroy are paired of the
PG championship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Hip defending champ right, yeah, well they got I see
we have a menu. Have they always done this at
champions dinner?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I don't remember we saw it and I'm like, well,
we evaluate the food better than anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Yes, he's got it, he's got this is this is
really nice. He's got a smoked goat cheese date. Yes,
clams casino shooters love it. So that's that's two things.
I'm for both of those. Uh, pickled watermelon with feta
and jalapino.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
So Miss k on New on a Mother's Day made
a watermelon salad. So it's like in a gave nectar
dressing watermelon fresh, cilantro fresh, jolopeno'll she used serranos and uh,
and then a little cootiha cheese and it was It's like,
it's like a delight. I was unbelievable. So he's and

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that'll be if you're going here now. I don't need
to get into the steak in blue cheese carisini no
interest because I'm so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Why do I?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I don't need a buttress it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
But I'd probably go a little clams casino. I could
get talked into a date with a pistachium pro shooto.
And then I'm gonna finish with the watermelon, really cleanse
the palate. Yeah, and then I'm gonna dive headfirst into
that wag you a New York strip and before I
pound a little banana split it's got.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
A little black and jumbo shrimp jump shrimp on it.
Blue cheese. I hold, I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Don't want that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
No grammar for that whipped sweet potato, sure, bourbon bone
marrow reduction. Yeah, that sounds like a delight.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, what's it. He really loves blue.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Cheese, he really does, big blue cheese. Don't don't steak
in blue cheese me twice? Yeah, he did, he did
it twice. You don't need to banana split, banana, salted vanilla, gelato, loxardo,
whipped cream.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
I've never heard of brulaide, banana stop.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Crushed peanuts, rum sauce yep, uh huh yeah, all that
sounds like sutcakes. Sounds great too, Yeah it does. Sweet biscuit, vanilla, bean,
whipped cream. Here's your US open sites, uh forever, oakmanch
This is an order starting this year, and that's terrible. Oakmont, Shinnacock, Pebble,
Winged Foot, Pinehurst, Marion, Riviera, Pebble again, Oakmont, Oakland Hills,

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Pinehurst again, Shinnacock again, Pebble again, The Country Club, la CC, Marion, Pinehurst, Oakmont,
Pebble Beach, Pinehurst, Oakmont. I mean this is all the
way up to twenty three fifty one, buddy. Great.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
So they're basically doing kind of what the bridge is
where it's like on just like a rota which is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I'm fine with that. But the PGA, here's some PGA.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
PGA needs to be had, some cool, crazy wild course.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
All right, So this is what you got. You got
Quail Hollow this year, iron Am Inc. Never heard of it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
It's Pittsburgh or Philly, I've never heard of it. PGA Frisco, Texas, yep. Okay,
the Olympic Club.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Yes, that should be a US Open.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
It should be a US Open. I like it. Moving
over Baltus Rawl used to be a US Open. Congressional
used to be a US Open and totally redone.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
There we go, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
And PGA Frisco. So that's the that's all the way.
That's brand new. They built it for the PGA headquarters.
That's where it is. Experience world class golf.

Speaker 9 (01:19:54):
All right.

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Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
What did you think your first day on that field
felt good?

Speaker 8 (01:20:25):
You know, honestly, Uh, you know, I think this is
definitely a place where I thrive being able to get
back in the building. And I think, you know, within
six months of the draft process, you're kind of teamless,
and uh, you know, a lot of time for you
to build and grow individually. But uh, this is where
I thrive being in a team environment. That's so you
play the game football, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
On the front.

Speaker 9 (01:20:47):
When we talked to Kevin Sepancy nager Berry, they said
they spent so much time with you during the free
draft process. Did you get a sense that they really
liked you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:55):
Yeah, I think it was mutual, and I think naturally
you have conversations and you look at the game of
football in a similar way. You know, naturally that just
builds over time. So spend a lot of time with them.
Of course, super excited I'm here and blessed that I am,
and felt like, you know, this is the spot for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
That that video what the bird called authentic, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
Not all Yeah, it's like that metaphor you know, a
little birdie told me so, uh kind of kind of
played with that, but uh, funny enough that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
That got out, and yeah, it's there for everyone to see.

Speaker 10 (01:21:30):
Can you just address this whole notion of your coming
in here as the third wrong pick? Sch door's coming
in as the fifth rong pick. Yet he brings a
lot of the uh, you know, social media and the
entroagere of hoype and all the hoopla and all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
That kind of stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:21:45):
So what is your sort of mindset or approach to
that whole notion.

Speaker 8 (01:21:49):
Of Yeah, I mean for me, you know, life of
simplicity is a life full of you know, focus, life
of you know, complexity comes to life of distractions. But
for me, I'm focused, I'm simple. Uh, I know what
I want to accomplish with it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:04):
Though, what was your reacting when you found out they
did grab your door?

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
After they grab Yeah, I love it, you know, I
love it because of who it is. You know, I
think just for us both you can learn from one another.
But also it's not just us do in the room,
at least for right now it is. But you know,
going into the year, Kenny, Joe, uh and even Deshaun
just a bunch of guys who played a bunch of
ball that we can all learn from one another.

Speaker 9 (01:22:29):
There been anyone in this building that maybe you gravitated.

Speaker 10 (01:22:32):
Towards its cowan you've already attached yourself soon here.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
Yeah, Ron and Corey in the equipment room, they've been
a huge help. Uh, definitely the guys you interact with
every single day, but not only them, I think just
uh a bunch of the guys going through this process,
you know, grinding and and learning from one another. But uh,
it's been a good one, you know. And I think
you see the urgency from everyone and knowing that this
opportunity you want to maximize coming in here and and

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you know, being part of a a four man quarterback
competition this.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Offseason, Yep, it's not new to me.

Speaker 8 (01:23:06):
I I've I've done it at you know, every stop,
and I've done it you know, at every level. So uh,
thank goodness for that and great preparation that. But also
know that you know, my competition is is yesterday. You know,
how can I be better than I was yesterday? So
that's what I'm focused on. And continue to create a
environment that you want to be a part of and

(01:23:26):
that's all you can do.

Speaker 10 (01:23:27):
Dylan, how familiar were you in Shaudure with one another.

Speaker 9 (01:23:31):
With in college or anything?

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
I think from a distance you you definitely watch quarterbacks
play at a high level. And I think with anyone, you're
pretty focused on your season and who you play against,
but you know, of course know of and and have seen.

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
And then just with the Browns you talked about the
interests being mutual, you thought throughout the pre draft draft process,
what about them?

Speaker 10 (01:23:52):
Did you enjoy getting to to me, Kennon and every.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
One ahead of time?

Speaker 8 (01:23:56):
Yeah, just like I said, the similar way of thinking
about the game, you know, and offensively, schematically, the whole nine.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
I just appreciate that.

Speaker 8 (01:24:05):
And you know, I think naturally, when you in any profession,
if you connect with a person, it just happens, you know,
and naturally it's it's our thing about football. But also
as people very easy people to you know, learn from
and be coach by.

Speaker 10 (01:24:20):
Would simple and sort of not getting distracted. How about
just like you, guys, every single thing that you do
is going to be strudinized, put out there on social.

Speaker 8 (01:24:30):
Media, put on Twitter.

Speaker 10 (01:24:32):
Even yesterday, people were like, oh, Gilan did better? Should
did better. So what about that? Are you do you
plan to kind of ignore that engage in it? What's
your approach to that?

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
I think the more questions I get asked like that,
it just divides the team. And and for me, I think,
you know how you know, we're in a room full
of not just us, but Kenny, Joe and Deshaun and
for us, you know, we we know how important a
healthy QB room is. But also you know, uh, a
team that you want to be a part of, you know,
and how do you create an environment every single day

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where everyone can be at their best and that's just
pushing one another, which talent naturally does and you know
naturally it's it's healthy, you know for us where we
all go do our thing and everyone wins.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
The mechanics of your positions.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
How important isn't this spiral.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
And the ball? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
I think you know, naturally, with pace, touch and accuracy,
spin naturally helps that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Also velocity has you know a little bit to do
with it.

Speaker 8 (01:25:32):
But then just getting the ball from point A to
point B in a uh as efficient way as possible.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Uh spiral naturally helps.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Out Dylan, what goes into your process? You know, you've
gone transition into different offenses multiple times in college. What
goes into your process of kind of expediating the process
of picking up that what you're the new system.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
You're going in.

Speaker 8 (01:25:53):
Yeah, there's no way around it, just through, you know,
and you got to continue to learn.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
Of course I've had my time in learning a bunch
of new offenses and a bunch of different areas and
connecting with different people.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
But for the most part, it's hard work. It's dedication.

Speaker 8 (01:26:05):
You know, everyone has their process, whether it's walkers, you know,
installs being able to tie in film with that. But
for the most part, there's no way around it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:14):
Through how we're generally credit the playbook getting more than
versus what you walked into here in.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
Cleveland, you know a lot of similarities. I think verbiage
for everyone has been something that's new and that's natural.
You know, in college there is more tempo based offenses,
which you know, naturally to help yourself in temple you
have to have shorter calls where you know, in the
NFL huddle is more natural procedure, so naturally you can,

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you know, add more verbage to that. But for me,
did a mixture of both very blessed as well to
do the Senior Bowl, which is great practice for this
kind of stuff. But throughout the process you tend to
go through playbooks and and have to rep it that
day of and like I said, three different spots, you
learn how to create your own process for it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:58):
Dylan, what about hearing your name called inside your draft
party and what that moment.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Was like for you? Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
You know, I think you know when you go back
to that, it's it's a dream come true, but it's
also the beginning of your dream. So excited for the
work to come, and you know, this is this is
where I wanted to be. But you know, the the
dreams and goals don't stop there.

Speaker 10 (01:27:17):
What's been your what's been your interaction or reaction with
Browns fans so far?

Speaker 8 (01:27:22):
I mean, I haven't had enough yet. It's been my
second day, but a bunch of love. I look at
this weather, is this beautiful? But uh now I'm just playing.
But yeah, it's it's been a blessing coming here and
kind of getting the lay of the land, even though
it's only my second day. So we'll I'll have to
answer that here in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
How often were you under center?

Speaker 8 (01:27:46):
Just four percentage A good mixture, I think more so
this past year. But naturally, if you play six years
in college, you're gonna get under center one way or another.
And for me, uh, you know, comfortability is just getting
reps and we're repping it a bunch here, but have
done it in game, in practice in college, so it'll
naturally translate as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Good.

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
I think you said before that you're not you're used
to competition a quarterback, but you're also started a ton
of games. So does this feel any different to you
walking into it's such an kind of wide.

Speaker 8 (01:28:17):
Open competition, it doesn't. And like I said, with competition,
how I approach it. I'm trying to beat yesterday, you
know myself yesterday, Just any chance I can be one
percent better than that, That's how I look at it.
And naturally, you play the quarterback position, only one guy
can play, so uh, there's naturally gonna have competition at
all levels. And that's why we're in this game. We'd

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we love it, you know, and if you're a competitor,
you love it and you you run towards it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
So so I do could you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:44):
Cod were you told by the Browns for taking you
ninety four?

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
I don't know. We'll leave that up to mystery. Jill.
I know there was this clip going around from you
in college talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
You like playing in a nice weather, climate controlled elements.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
Well, I hear you there. I I'll say this. This
is what's tough about right now? Right like, yeah, in
this day and age, a clip is a clip. Yet
it was a fun interview full of a bunch of questions.
So I'm glad you asked that question. But we decide
to clip certain things that maybe could get more views
than than other, you know, clips within that video. I

(01:29:20):
just challenge everyone to watch a full video, you know,
and uh not just watch one clip. Dealing going through
the draft process, the biggest criticism was your saws.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
What do you have to say to those critics say
think you might not be big enough?

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
I have nothing to say to the critics, you know.
For me, everyone's has an opinion, and it's right to
have their own opinion and can speak and how they feel. Uh.
But for me, I'm like I said, I'm simple, I'm focused,
I got goals I wanna accomplish.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:29:47):
I would not be here if I listened to other people,
So for me to listen to the right people coaches.
Getting better every single day and controlling what you can
is when you get in between those white lines, dominating
the moment, maximizing the moment, being present.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
You said from home last you said the day you
were drafted and talked to you on the fucker and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
You said that never did not a start.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
So is your mindset that you should you can be
the start?

Speaker 8 (01:30:16):
I think it's so early, you know. For me, Uh,
I said that in a sense that I only know
one way to prepare. I only know one way to work,
and that is as the starter. You know, I've played
a bunch of ball and have a lot of experience,
so I'm gonna use that to my advantage. But for
the most part, I can't say that right now. I
gotta continue to dominate the moment and have great practices
as you build on upon that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:30:38):
I still look forward to meeting my new teammates, you know,
the vets on Monday, So I think that'll be a
question down the road. But I think every day I
approach is like I'm going to go get that rep.
And you know, I live it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Impressive kid. I like them to like life absolutely. Hey,
travel safe. Thanks naked it at the girl.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
I might come back. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
I end up like Baba Ganusian wedding crashers.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Next time you see me, I not I might not
be the same as before.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
I might be changed.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Address a turkey. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
You mightn't know you to be in the vicinity of it.
If the going down, it's very excited. It's going to
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