Hearing From the Quarterbacks - Cleveland Browns Daily - 5.28.25

On this edition of CBD, Je'Rod Cherry joins the show and you'll hear from Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski (11:04), QB Kenny Pickett (23:11), QB Joe Flacco (35:25), and WR Jerry Jeudy (1:18:42).

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Brown's on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. He are your hosts,
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
All right, let's do it live on a first Friday
Miracle edition of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo
the Great Girard Cherry. On the other end, he is downtown,
my friend. How are you living on this fine Wednesday.
It's cold and it's wet, Gerard. This is not what
we're supposed to be doing after Memorial Day.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Exp Yeah, man, I'm sick and tired of a bow.
To be honest with you, it's so bad me, man,
that I got sunburned by being in a warmer sun
of your climate.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Because of the fact it's so gray here.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
So yeah, at some point when it is spring, gun
to actually be sunny and we have some similars of summer.
I know I'm sound like I'm lamenting, complaining and all that,
but just to be frank with you, I'm sick and
tired of it.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I'm broken, buddy, I'm a broken man.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'm telling you, I got a sunburn on Sunday watching
my kids play lacrosse, and it was sixty one degrees
because I haven't seen the sun in six months. Ye listen,
I'm guessing though, as a player, if you're at OTA's,
the rain's probably a little annoying, but the weather's pretty
damn good. I would think this is you take this
over ninety five.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
See, that's that's interesting that you phrase it that way.
You or would you?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
You don't see that that's the great setup. And here's
the reason why. Because if you're serious about championship pursuits,
or if you just want to get by and get
it over with, then sixty one sounds pleasant to you.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's what you want all day long.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
But what you need to understand is that there are
plenty of teams right now in the southern part of
our country who play in the National Football League, or
guys who trained on their own, who want that smoke,
who want that heat, who want to be in a
situation where they get the worst conditions from a heat standpoint,
to help do what get that base, get that course. So, no,
you don't want this, This hurts the cost I pray

(02:21):
that this doesn't continue to the summer, because if this
is what we're gonna be practicing in we're gonna have
some problems.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Too easy. You're saying exactly you want to strenuous.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
And I've talked to you about this before, about the
makeup of a championship team, and that's something you know
absolutely you obviously you can't control the weather that you know,
it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
You can't control it.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
But the mindset you can control the teams that were
you were on that that wanted to accomplish something great.
How much of the tone was set now at OTAs.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
That's when it was set those first meetings. Heck before
even though ta's were set, when you had the team
initial meeting of what was the procedure, what was the expectations?
All that is being formulated right there, and to carry
right over into OTAs and you hit OTAs with the
ground on the ground, running with the idea that no,
every rep every plate, every situation in which we can

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get ahead of gives us the opportunity to be more
prepared than our competition. Because that's the thing, it's finite.
You can only practice so many hours of the day right.
So if you're out there performing at a high level
and not repeating the same things because you're making mistakes,
but able to add more to your plate, that's going
to help the cost. So I've always been a proponent

(03:31):
based upon, as you said, Bo experience to know that, yeah,
you make it happen, you won't lose the you won't
lose the season now, but you certainly can be in
a situation where you can set yourself up for success
by approaching it the right way.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
And the other thing I was really and I think
obviously everybody was. I mean, this is one of the
talking points in all of the NFL is that we
have a four person quarterback competition.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
Here.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
You got four folks in it. It's very rare in
the NFL that you have it like this. Usually if
you have a quarterback competition, it's two. Sometimes they're three.
But for them, the only one I could even think
of with three was the one that PERTY won over
Trey Lance and Garoppolo. That's the only time I could
think of even three. Most of the time it's two.
But you got four here. And one thing we're all
paying attention to is kind of like, what's the order

(04:14):
of all of this. So Joe Flacco took the first
reps in eleven on eleven, Kenny Pickett and the offense
only drills took the first quarterback reps there. And as
they're closing up practice here in the last couple of minutes,
they're doing a veteran side and a rookie side. So
on the vet side, Flacco went first, and then Picket,
and then on the rookie side, Dylan went first, and

(04:35):
then Shadure.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Is there anything to be made of any of this? Oh? Yeah,
reading too all of it? That's what I think. I
just said, you up, that's I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, certainly, yes, read into it well, one reading to
the idea that they don't know far as who is
going to be the starter between Picket and Flacco, because
the fact that they even gave Picket some opportunity to
be with the ones first tells you that they have
not made it a foregone conclusion that Joe Flacco is
your starter come.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Open to day.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
At the same time, though, in my opinion, based upon
Flaco being with the ones first in the eleven on eleven's,
as well as a drill that you just mentioned that
tells me that right now, as a state of things
are taking place today, he's at number one.

Speaker 7 (05:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
They also could throw a curve ball into it, Bo
and say the following tomorrow it'll be vice versa, and
then it will be basically suck in the same situation
I just described. But yes, reading to that, folks, that
ultimately means that, No, there's been no clear cut decision.
But what we do know is that the rookies right
now are not being perceived as starters.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's what we know for sure. No, And I think
they have to earn it.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
And I think when you look at the start of
the schedule, and Zee and I have been saying this
for a long time, if it's anybody other than pick it,
we would be pretty surprised, you know. I think the
start of that season is so brutal and no matter
how good these two rookies are now and into training camp, man,
that's a tough road to hoe going Cincinnati, Baltimore, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
That's brutal.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wouldn't want to send a kid into that, you know,
And it's you know, dipping his toe in the NFL
waters for the first time. Conversely, with Pickett, you have
a former first round pick who's a twenty six year
old kid man who is getting kind of a second
shot here, and so I would be shocked if it's
not Pickett.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I really would.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
And you know, Zee and I talk about that quite
a bit, and I think I think that is something
that they.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Have to work towards.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Though is is this is a wide open competition. I
think for me, the perception has always been like Joe
Flacco is the break the glass of emergency, Guy h
and everybody else. We want to see what they have
over the course of the year. The reality is Flacco's
forty and there's not a future here long term for him,
regardless the other three, any one of them could be right.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, that's totally fair and it makes all sense in
the world. Hence why you figure that Kenny would have
the edge over Joe if it was close, Because sometimes
any scenarios when it is close, who do you go with?
Will you go with the guy who has more vitality
if you will of being around for the long term. Now,
we didn't pick up Kenny's fifth year option, and we
understand why because he hasn't proved anything yet. Now, if

(07:13):
he does ball out, you have to imagine that Andrew
Berry and company are going to do what call his
agent and work out something from a contractual standpoint, especially
if he is annoying at the starter and he earns
it bo and he goes to this murderer's row that
you just mentioned of the Bengals of Ravens and Packers
and Lions and the Vikings and heck even the Steelers
in the first six weeks of the season, and you're
able to have a winning record with that.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
What more convincing do you need?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
But ultimately, I do agree with you, and I've been
saying this for the longest and then for some reason
my co hosts in the afternoon have not agreed with me.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
But I'm like folks, think about it. They acquired him
via a trade.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
He was the first person on their list of things
to do, So that shows you at air of importance
right there. And on top of that, he is a
former first round draft pick who was in a situation
in which it was a bad one. And probably their
thought process is the following, if we can just put
him in our system, the sky is the limit, and
they're gonna give him a chance to see if that's

(08:11):
actually actuality what you.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just said is reality like that that's just that's what's happening,
Like that's that's more than that's how folks off the
top And Gerd said pay attention to wear all of
and I said this yesterday Gerard with z like he
and I both said it, like all of the pieces
matter here, all of them matter. Who goes first, who
gets the most reps, Like right now looking at some
of the reporting and they're just closing up out there

(08:37):
as we're doing the show, and it seems like Shudur
is getting the least amount of reps going in.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Well, he was the.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Last one selected, right, Kenny was the first one selected,
then they brought in Joe, then they drafted Dylan, and
then Shoudor fell in their lap, right, And so that
there is you can say it's wide open, sure, but
there are preconceived notions about all four of these guys
from this coaching staff and from the front office exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
And I've been saying it, You've been saying it, Nate
Dogg's been saying it, and it's just again, the reality
of the situation is there always is going to be
a hierarchy, and even in the quarterback competition, there's gonna
be a guy who has favorability.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
It's just the way it is. And is it fair. No,
nothing about is fair per se.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
But obviously they have within their vantage point the right
to decide who they think is the best option until
that person proves them wrong. They're gonna go with that
route of thinking in rationale, and I have no problem
with it because ultimately both we cannot be in a spot. Come,
let's see a week prior to September seventh, somewhere around

(09:42):
August thirtieth. Huh, guys, what are we gonna do with
the quarterback position? That's not a proposition that can occur.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, it's not, and it's it's also something that I
don't think Kevin Spansky will not occur. One of the
thing that's really cool here, and I'm curious if you've
seen this before, it appears in the red zone. They
went Vets on one side, Rooks on the other in
order to get everybody as many snaps as possible. That's
one thing that's a challenge with the four teamer. Buddy,
you got four guys who you got to see throw
the football over and over again, right, and.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
They're getting in.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
So here's a blessing in disguise though from this whole situation,
because normally will those guys be doing. Normally, those guys
would be sitting on the sideline. I'm talking about the
rookies and the threes and fours and waiting for their reps, right,
and maybe they'll get three or four in.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Now in this case, they're getting more work in.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Now.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
The person who's really getting.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
The most work in is a guy or charge of
one filming it, cutting it up.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
And then coaches are being spread left and right as well.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
So I have to imagine that, for example, in the secondary,
you're gonna have a situation where be Lynch is probably
with the ones and the twos, and then assistants are
somewhere else, right, So that's how you break that situation down.
But right now, what we're getting is actually more work.
And I've been very vocal about the idea that one
of the things that we have to do is work harder.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
There's no question about that. And the man in charge
of all of it is Kevin Stefancy. He's at the
podium right now. Let's go there live.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
As you know, as coaches, we love Phase three. It's
finally when we get to go against each other offense defense,
get to really simulate practice in a lot of ways.
So just getting into phase three with this first week
of OTA's but I think the guys are doing a
really nice job. I also want to just you know,
thank D and Jimmy and JW and Whitney and allowing
the Keepers Foundation to have a presence today. We have

(11:31):
a whole group out here of really pillars in our
community that we wanted to recognize and partner with, and
that's who's out here. So we're very fortunate to have
a group out here that really supports the community and
we're proud to be a part of it. So the
Keepers Foundation is in year two and we're excited about

(11:51):
the events we've had and the events that we have
coming up. We have an event June twelfth down at
Trust that we're really excited about, so you'll hear more
about that. But again, appreciative of D, Jimmy, j W
and Whitney allowing us to uh to highlight uh this foundation.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
So with that, I'll take any questions.

Speaker 9 (12:09):
Into the practice order.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
But you're not listening to me, right.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Key and the first year.

Speaker 10 (12:16):
I just want to ask, especially with Kenny, what's stood
out to you about him?

Speaker 11 (12:19):
He's kind.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Yeah, I'm really excited about what Kenny brings to the team.
He's a guy that works extremely hard at his craft.

Speaker 11 (12:29):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (12:29):
I love the way he thinks about the game. He's very,
very tough.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Uh. So he's doing a nice job.

Speaker 8 (12:34):
But as you can imagine, with quarterbacks or any position,
we're throwing a lot at these guys, and I think
he's handling it really well.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
How do you think.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
I think good? I think it's it's day two for us,
Tony and doing it so. I think everybody understands where
they're supposed to be and when they're supposed to be there.
There's a little bit of directing traffic when you've got
to drills going on at one time. But uh, they've
done a really nice job, the players and coaches, making
sure that we're practicing in a safe way. We're getting
good looks for our guys to learn from on both

(13:08):
sides of the ball.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Uh, and and not asking more.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
Than we need to of the guys physically when you're
splitting them up.

Speaker 12 (13:15):
Like that, putting the rookies on what field and the
bets on the other when you go back and you're
viewing the practice film, are you grading grading any different
versus you know, the the defensive players that they're actually.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Going up against. Not necessarily, Daryl.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
I think listen, all of these reps, like we've talked about,
are super valuable, whether you're getting the rep or not.
If you're standing behind and you're getting the rep as
it happens, or you're getting it in the in the
meeting room, or you're doing VR. All these reps add
up and with every position we're they're being graded on
every play, and uh, there's a variety of things that

(13:53):
they're being graded on, but obviously for the quarterback, decision.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Making, technique, accuracy, those type of things.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
But we just we love the opportun comunity with being
out here on the practice field, being able to have
two drills where we can maximize all the time that
we're out here.

Speaker 13 (14:05):
Did a flag will look like the same guy you.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Had here two years ago? Yeah? He does. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
I mean Joe physically has been gifted with the ability
to throw the football.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
He looks the same to me.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
He's doing again a similar comment to to Kenny, it's
it's just fun having some veterans in that room, some
young guys in the quarterback room that they really feed
off of each other. And certainly Joe has a lot,
uh to to explain to the guys. There are a
lot of wisdom to impart on those guys of things
that have come up in his.

Speaker 11 (14:34):
Career important Johnson.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
Yeah, well, I think it's really important to remember that
this is a voluntary program and anybody who's here, we're
excited about that. We're not reporting who's here on what day.
So there are guys that will be in and out
of the program and that is totally their prerogative. Uh,
But the guys that are here will will just continue

(14:59):
to work.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
We haven't talk.

Speaker 14 (15:03):
I felt like last year is a rocket year for
me bounce around his own team. So what does he
kind of have to show you to re establish himself as.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
A player he had been from the Yeah, I wouldn't
really think of it that big picture, Scott. I think
for us, it's just getting him to understand our program,
what we're about, get him out here competing.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
But we'll really take that one day at a time.

Speaker 15 (15:23):
Coming it seemed like watching today, Jerry caught just about
everything thrown to him, no matter who was throwing it
to him. Just how important is he going to be
for these quarterbacks to get looks to and what's like
next for for him?

Speaker 8 (15:36):
And Yeah, I think Jerry is still a young player.
I think Jerry has room to grow. I think that
I think he would tell you that there's techniques that
he's working on. Uh, it was year one for us
with him, so getting a feel for the route concepts
that he's really good at.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Things that he can improve upon.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
But with year two with a team, you're constantly thinking
about that next step. And that's that can in a
variety of ways, certainly usage and where we put him
and how we use them and what position he's playing
and when you're motioning him, when you're doing different things.
I think those are all the types of things that
can grow into year two.

Speaker 16 (16:10):
Kenny has been compared because of his draft deal guys
like Donald and who've had the lead sears in his care.

Speaker 14 (16:17):
Why do you think.

Speaker 12 (16:18):
We've seen you know Donald know, those type of guys
make sort of later arrivals.

Speaker 8 (16:24):
Yeah, I think every player is h you know, their
their career has different twists and turns to it certainly.
I've seen that in my time, just with different players
at every position, and you need the right people around
you to have some success. So Kenny is a young
football player. Man, this is year four for him. He
just won the Super Bowl last season, watching you know,

(16:45):
and playing, but certainly seeing how it's done at an
extremely high level in a different way, different system, those
type of things. But still a young player that that
I think has a lot left to go in his career.
Sometimes Tony, but that's really not necessary.

Speaker 17 (17:04):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
So I've had good communication with with a bunch of guys.

Speaker 11 (17:11):
Us.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
Is that upset you're another way?

Speaker 8 (17:15):
But no, this is uh a voluntary program in.

Speaker 18 (17:21):
Terms of uh Joe Flacker went first.

Speaker 13 (17:26):
First in the first.

Speaker 18 (17:27):
Team, Yeah, eleven on elevens and then can you cook
it in the second set?

Speaker 11 (17:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (17:31):
Is that a good way to kind of mix things
up and get it?

Speaker 5 (17:35):
It is? Mary Kay, We're doing that every day. We're
mixing it up every single day.

Speaker 8 (17:38):
So Uh, that's why I tell you not to read
much into it, even though you guys don't listen to me.
But we're just trying to get guys exposure, uh to
different concepts of those type of things. So it varies
by walkthrough, it can vary by drill.

Speaker 11 (17:53):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (17:53):
It's it's not something that that we're really uh, we're
not leaning into or worried about the order at this moment.
Extra that's right, Yes, I mean I think it's something
when your rosters at ninety that you can can do potentially,
Potentially it's amazing.

Speaker 12 (18:12):
Get a couple of nice rushes the ball for just
you know, what are your impressions of him from you know,
rookie camp when you're joking about you know, him losing
his lunch and all that, But just what are your
impressions from rookie camp to to what you've seen here now?

Speaker 8 (18:29):
Really working extremely hard is in the weight room. I
see him here extra work, doing great in the meeting rooms.
As you guys know, phase three the off season is
not really made for offensive lineman and defensive linemen, so
there's a lot of work that happens in individual drills.
So coach Jacques has his hands on him and they're

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they're doing just that, they're working really hard.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Kevin, I think we've asked you this.

Speaker 9 (18:55):
I know it's may but it doesn't feel like it though.

Speaker 19 (18:57):
Yeah, you're right about that is there any way you
keep four quarterbacks on the fifty three men.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
It's may I think, and any roster type decisions are
so far off, but it means that.

Speaker 11 (19:10):
If you've ever been around a team.

Speaker 12 (19:11):
That did that, I'd have to check on going back
to the offensive line than how much can you learn
about the run game?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
It's hard, It's really hard.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
I think, you know, for us, we go back to
these This part of the season is still about fundamentals
and techniques and we don't want to get very far
away from that. So while we do have team periods,
and while we do have seven on seven, what we
do in individual drills is as important.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
As anything we do every day.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
So that oftentimes is related to the run game, and
we're working the run game in individual working in a
walk through setting, which I still think you can get
better at, but it is the rules are not written
to go run it every down because obviously you have
to limit contacting these drills.

Speaker 18 (19:56):
Wind looks like he's moving really well.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
He looks to be in pretty good shape. He's excited
about his pacers. Uh, I should say.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
That, Yeah, he's doing a nice job again. Coach Bloomgren
Coach Wilkerson coach Davis. They're working really hard with all
those guys and pushing them and uh, there's a lot
of new things that they're learning, whether technique or terminology,
whatever it may be. And he's uh, he's embracing that.
He's here every day pushing very hard.

Speaker 10 (20:21):
And Roddie on the side and watching practice. I know
Alex had just got clear.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
But yep, no update. They're just working through a couple
of things, but they'll be out there.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Sacks yesterday, did you change things?

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Yeah, we're gonna mix it up every single day in
terms of the HA, what guys are getting witch reps.

Speaker 14 (20:40):
So if the order is the lack of repses.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Matter, not No, not for one day, Kevin in terms
of miles since he communicated.

Speaker 13 (20:50):
Whether he'd be here next week or you don't expecting
to mini.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Camera, Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 11 (20:55):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
I'm worried about day to day.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
But let me reiterate, Uh, this is a voluntary program
across the NFL guys. That's their right whether they're here
or not. The guys that are here, we coach them up.
The guys that aren't here, that is totally their decision
to make None of.

Speaker 14 (21:09):
Those simultaneous drills. I get it with the four quarterbacks,
wanted to get him reps. The reason you haven't done
that much in the past, is it just a weird
and tear thing.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
Yeah, well, I think you obviously you do it when
your roster's at ninety and you have to be smart
that you're not shifting cost to somewhere else and doing
it where you're gonna expose somebody else to injury. And
I think Tommy has done a nice job and scripting it.
Coach Schwartz has done a great job and getting his
guys the reps that they need. So I do think
it's a way that you can practice safely and still

(21:39):
get a lot of good reps to evaluate your players.

Speaker 15 (21:42):
Know we're supposed to hear from Jerome Faker today, We
had a chance. I don't think to really ask you
about him, but looking at what he can bring, what
do you envision, especially with the way he's been able
to create takeaways throughout his career.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Excited about Jerome.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
There are some young kids here again to visit, and
I asked them who their favorite player was, and one
of them said, Jerome Baker. So you can you can
guess where that gets from so excited to have Jerome here.
He is a very fast football player. He processes really quickly.
He does have great ball skills, like you mentioned, Ashley,
So we'll see how how he fits in. But he's

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taking to everything we've we've taught him. He's taking to
it really well.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
Last one with those changes that you're going to be
making with human vision that.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Some of the rooks would get. Yes, thank you, Okay,
thank you guys, appreciate it. Thanks week.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Things there, Coach Tafanski live you like coach fans guy
likes coach to fancy a lot.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
He lied there.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Of course his stuff matters, like he tells him, don't
pay attention to it. I keep telling you guys not
to know you put thought into it. If it didn't matter,
you could quite literally just draw him out of a
hat and send him out there. But that's not what
they did. All of the pieces do matter. Now, how
much do they matter? Sometimes not much at all. But
there is a reason for every choice that is on

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a football.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Field, right, Everything is intentional. If you operate them with
non intention and just letting it come as it may,
you're gonna be in a situation where you're not gonna.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Win, No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
And one of the guys who is the topic of
conversation there for coach defans, who was Kenny Pickett? Here
he is now live at the podium.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
Keep every competition the same, Like you're really just trying
to improve daily, you know, learning a new system, playing
with new teammates. You know, it's it's just a daily
process of trying to improve and you know, all that
stuff will just work itself out.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
How do you feel like you few days? But yeah, yeah,
I felt like it was a good day.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
I felt like yesterday it was a good day.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
I think we followed up with another good day just
working operationally and you know, buying into what the coaches
want us to do and how we're supposed to break
the huddle and operate and play fast. So I think
it was a good first, you know, two days of that.

Speaker 11 (23:48):
Obviously, to watch the tape.

Speaker 10 (23:50):
The Phillips game is obviously kind of unique in the
way that they obviously used the run game can be
run game and whatnot. But are there anytilarities in Pittsburgh
or back from college to what you're going on?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Yeah, I think there's more similarities to to Philly's system
than people may realize, just because we're a little bit
more under centered than the Gun. You know, Philly was
more you know in the Gun, but a lot of
the concepts are the same and the teaching is the same.
Just learning the new terminology has really been the big
thing for me.

Speaker 11 (24:14):
How do you.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
Approach in Philadelphia? You know, Kevin has mentioned multiple times,
and you know, you spending last year with the US
then when.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
In the Super Bowl, you getting a you know, a
first hand book of what it takes to get to
that level.

Speaker 12 (24:29):
Just what do you take from that experience in Philadelphia
and how do you think that is going to help.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Move your career.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yeah, I'm extremely grateful for my time in Philly. I
think I just you know, was showing how it's supposed
to be done, really from the top down. So when
you get a chance to see what it what it's
supposed to look like and how it should look on
a day to day basis, not just on Sundays, you know,
I think I'll pay dividends for me, you know, in
the future.

Speaker 15 (24:52):
Kenny, I know you told us about Jerry, like working
with him in the off season and training together, it
looked like today, he's catching everything out there. Just what's
it been like to connect with him here and what
what's that early connection Like.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
Yeah, he's a He's a really easy guy to throw to.
You know, I think it's a good play whenever you're
throwing the ball at number three. So you know, we
should keep doing a lot more of that. But now,
Jerry is an awesome guy. He works really hard. His
communication with the quarterbacks is awesome, just you know, if
he sees something or if I see something. The ability
to have that open dialogue and and kind of being
on the same page has been great these first two days.

Speaker 11 (25:23):
I think it you know, show him.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Guys like Donald and MgO like surgencies Jerry's quarterbacks too quickly.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
I think it's just the nature of where the NFL
is now, you know, and and just the you know,
it takes a lot to play really you know, good
quarterback play, and everyone's trying to you know, find that guy.
And now I'm in this stage of my career where
I'm trying to find that place and you know, figure
it out. I got a chance to work with you know,
this offseason, and he's you know, an awesome guy, and
you know, I think that was also, you know, a

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great experience for me working with a guy like him.
You know, it's very similar to Joe just late, you know,
later in the career, has played a lot of football,
and you can just pick up small things as you
as you work with those guys.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
We we didn't talk to you.

Speaker 18 (26:08):
We're talking to you before the draft. So my question is,
and you were very determined at that point that you know,
you were coming in here to you know, to win this.

Speaker 13 (26:16):
Starting job, and we tried to start.

Speaker 18 (26:18):
So my question is now that they've brought in two
rookie quarterbacks and it is this four way intense competition,
are you more determined than ever to win this starting.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Job or how do you play? Yeah, I don't think
anything really changed for me. You know, our jobs to
play football. Everyone has a job and the bilding to do.
So I'm just focused on, you know, my job and
coming out here and competing and being as prepared as
I can be, you know, for these guys out here when.

Speaker 18 (26:42):
You can use the competition, how how do you feel
like that?

Speaker 7 (26:44):
I think it's you know, the outside world makes it
up a lot bigger than it is when you're day
to day and you're in meetings with these guys, you're
out of practice. We spent so much time together. Of
course we're all competing, but you become friends with everybody.
You know, we're helping each Other's an open dialogue in
the quarterback room to you know, help each other row.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
So I think it's a.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Great media headline, But when you get in the building
in a quarterback room, and at least all the ones
that I've been in, you really become friends with these
guys and we're just pushing each other.

Speaker 19 (27:08):
When you when you were last year, you know, you
go to Philadelphia knowing that your job's gonna be to.

Speaker 11 (27:13):
Back up Jalen hurts.

Speaker 19 (27:15):
So how do you approach it differently when you know
that job could be years to group?

Speaker 7 (27:20):
I think something that I forget who told me this
early in my days in college. I just always approached
every day as if I'm the starter, no matter where
I was on the depth chart. So even when I
was in Philly, I would prepare as if I was
a starter, cause you know, you never know when that
opportunity was gonna be to go play, and you know
you wanna be as prepared as you can be, So
I'm kind of having the same mindset that I've always
had since college of coming in preparing like I'm the guy,

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so you know, whatever happens is just another day, cause
I always always had that same mindset.

Speaker 16 (27:45):
With the extra reps out there, sometimes it looks like
a frigering curdles watch the first two days.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
How do you think it's working.

Speaker 11 (27:54):
I think it's kind of well, it's kind of well.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
I mean they're doing a great job of getting you know,
everyone reps, you know, to see you know, get experience
with the offense and get a feel for everybody. Reps
are just so key for the quarterback position with continuity
with players, so you always want to get as many
as you can get and if you're not in stealing
some mental reps and going in and watching tape and
seeing every play just to stay you know, as ahead
as you can.

Speaker 12 (28:15):
Be what you take from room Gino's baba.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Yeah, I think it's just taking advantage of an opportunity,
you know, when it's there. You know, he bounced around
a lot, got an opportunity and you know took off,
so great guy. You know, loved working with Ginos. So
really just you know, trying to take advantage of everything
I get Joe.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
I mean, he's been.

Speaker 18 (28:33):
Around obviously for seventeen seasons. So what kinds of takeaways
are you getting from Joe Black?

Speaker 10 (28:38):
A lot here.

Speaker 7 (28:39):
I think it's more, uh, you know, film room in
between reps, talking about what he saw or what I saw.
He's just a great It's like, you know, he's not
a coach. I don't want anyone to say that, but
it's like having another coach when he a guy that's played.

Speaker 11 (28:49):
That much football.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
Uh, you could bounce ideas off of you know, ask
him what he saw, you know, how he how he
would read certain things earlier in his career. There's just
so many things, small things that you can learn just
having that normal, you know, open.

Speaker 11 (29:02):
Dialogue that we have in the quarterback room. Do you
do I don't.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
I've just maybe just I haven't tried it yet. I
may go try it. Yeah, Yeah, I'm definitely interested to
try it. I'm just a big tape guy. I've just
always done it for for a long time now, so
I'm very comfortable there.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
But yeah, open a try.

Speaker 20 (29:18):
It wanted you because they traded for you, but then
since then, Kevin and he b everybody's been really complimentary
of you, and I think you have on So how
does that make you feel heading into this competition and
just the fact that they think your best days are still.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
No, that's awesome, That's awesome. That's why I'm just taking
a day of the time and working really hard.

Speaker 11 (29:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (29:36):
I just want to be as prepared as I can
be when the opportunity comes, and every chance I get
out here, you know, to put on good tape, play well,
and then we'll see where the chips fall.

Speaker 12 (29:44):
What do you learn, you know, this time of year
when you're going through the ot as the contacts limited, right,
the defense is showing, but they're not being ultra aggressive.
So what do you learn during this portion of the offseason?

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Pro piers are pretty aggressive. I think we were getting
after it pretty good.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
But I think right now it's just learning a new
system like that's you need live reps. Like at the
end of the day, playing the quarterback position, you need
live reps to feel comfortable in the system. I think
the coaches are doing a great job at getting everybody
those opportunities, you know, and being as prepared as you
can be, almost treating every practice like a game, a
game day script. You know, you go home, you study it,
you're prepared. You know, you come in, you go out

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here and you work at it and then you watch
the tape. So I think that's kind of the process
that I'm taking.

Speaker 18 (30:27):
Can you put your rookie QB so that you work
at QB and really kind of picking your guys's brayings
and trying to learn from you And if so, is
it almost helping you learn too and have to.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Be able to share with that.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
Yeah, that's kind of the open dialogue thing that I
was talking about earlier with Joe and all the quarterbacks,
just being in the film room being able to talk
through things, say with Sha Duran Dylan on the side.
If they ever have a question to ask me and
talk through it. It helps me just as much as
it helps them. So yeah, it's a great, great working environment.
You know in that quarterback room.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
Did it surprise you that they took two quarterbacks?

Speaker 11 (30:58):
And for dress from the.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
Trader, I think the longer you play in the NFL,
you just take everything and strive man. You know, like
like I said, I have a job to do. I
think everyone's focused on doing their job. So it's been
you know, going really well so far.

Speaker 11 (31:08):
See you go ahead and approaches like that, you were
the starter. Did ad any more extra motivation for you
and your approach?

Speaker 7 (31:15):
No, like, you know, when you get locked in that mindset,
nothing really you know, wait, you know makes it, you
know different. I don't think you know, you kind of
just sticking that that mode and continue to show up
and work every day.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Have you felt that Shadoor sort of aura?

Speaker 6 (31:29):
You know, he's all over you.

Speaker 18 (31:30):
Know, social media. There's a huge fan base for him.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
He's a celebrity.

Speaker 18 (31:35):
I mean he sort of felt that. And if so,
what impact does that have on any of this?

Speaker 7 (31:38):
I don't think much. Player was there is an awesome guy. Man,
He's funny to be around. He's a he's a great
time every day in the quarterback room. You know, we
have a lot of laughs together. So it's been a
lot of fun having him in the building.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Of like, not a coach, not a coach.

Speaker 12 (31:56):
At my job to be a mentor no quarterback, Nope,
But it happens naturally and sometimes he feels like, you know,
he gets you know, we play gotcha with him on that.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 11 (32:07):
Why?

Speaker 12 (32:07):
Why is it such a big deal for a better
quarterback to see themselves as a mentors or.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Whatever that is. Yeah, I don't really know how to
answer that question.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
Like he like I said, it's open dialogue in the
quarterback room where he's not a coach. But you know,
you have so much respect for his time in the
NFL where you're you're you're asking questions. I'll ask you
questions on what I saw when he was in there. Uh,
it goes y, you know, both ways vice versas. So
not a coach, not a coach, but he's an awesome
guy to have in the room to really talk through
this system that he's been in before especially and systems

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like it.

Speaker 11 (32:37):
So it's been good.

Speaker 14 (32:40):
Where are things that stand out and say, okay, this
is what I need to do better and there's so
much more room for.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
Me to grow.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah, I think continuing to work in the pocket's been
you know, really good for me, you know, having a
chance in Philly to do it and not working with
the coaches here, continuing to get better there. You know,
it felt like lad in games, I found ways to
win games, which was you know, which was always good
to see. But continue just to grow as a quarterback
in the system. You have to be in the system
for you know, a couple of years to really grow.
I'm hoping I can have that here where you just

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build a foundation with something and grow with it.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
So I'm just taking a day at a time.

Speaker 18 (33:14):
Johnson, what do you think he can bring to the
table here and what kind of camaraderie or chemistry.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Games, Yeah, haven't been able to play with today for
you know, a couple of years in Pittsburgh. Now were
teammates again, I think that's that's awesome. You know, his
route running ability, his ability to separate, I think you know,
drop his weight in out of routes. You know, it's special.
So you know, I'm excited to get back out there
with him.

Speaker 16 (33:34):
Can you when you think about Geno Smith and some
of the other guys you know who have kind of
resurrected their careers not at their original place when they
came in, you know, when the draft is a first
round pick or whatever, like, do you feel different, like
is there a is it freeing at all that you
you know, maybe the expectations shift as a you know,
when you come into Pittsburgh as a as a big

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draft investment versus you know, now that that might be shoulders.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
I feel like I'm you know, I'm pretty hard on
myself to be, you know, as best as I can be.
So I try to always not worry about the outside
opinion and just you know, hold myself to a really
high standard of how I want to play quarterback and
I want to play football. So I don't think my
mindset will change, uh, you know, just you know, excited
to have this opportunity, really grateful to be here, and
you know it's been a lot of fun so far.

Speaker 12 (34:23):
You mentioned last one team period being pretty uh aggressive that.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
What you say, it looked like ninety took a good
run on you.

Speaker 7 (34:35):
Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know if it
felt like live football to me. You know, we were
going after it and that's great to get you know, reps
full speed like that. You know, you'd rather have the
coaches try to pull back on the reins than tell
you to get going. So I think it's, uh, I
think it's a good way to be and you know
how we should be, you know, attacking each day.

Speaker 11 (34:53):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Kenny picked it from the podium just after OTA practice
number two. This one open to the media. We do
anticipate Joe Flacco will be heading to the podium here momentarily,
so we're going to keep it here Gerard real quickly.
I mean, he sounds like a first round pick. Yeah,
it sounds like a franchise I mean, he sounds like
a guy who's started twenty five NFL games.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, it sounds like a starting quarterback to me. Very
impressed with his the way he sounded. Did he not
sound like he was in control of the situation, answer
the questions exactly whether they need to be answered.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, it was everything that that you'd want you want
to hear. What a franchise quarterback sounds like. Here's another one.
It's Joe Flacco.

Speaker 11 (35:31):
Going two days. Oh it's going. Well, listen, it's the
off season, it said Totiers.

Speaker 21 (35:36):
It's fun to get back out there and actually play
a little football again.

Speaker 11 (35:40):
It's funny.

Speaker 21 (35:41):
It's it's like every time I go out here in
the off season, I've done it a million of times,
but it's like there's a little piece of it that
it's like, all right, let's see if I still know
how to read it and let it go and do
all those things. So it's good to get back out
there and start doing it again.

Speaker 10 (35:53):
You probably past this in the past couple of years,
But like when you come into these quarterbacks, especially when
like this wing's got guy who are like in grade
school when you made what's the dynamic?

Speaker 11 (36:03):
Like?

Speaker 21 (36:04):
Especially, I think it's a lot of fun. I mean
I actually, like, just from experience, I think they tend
to get a little bit of a kick out of me,
just because I am forty years old now and could
be their fathers probably, And it's fun for me too
in the same kind of way.

Speaker 11 (36:20):
I mean, they're young, and they.

Speaker 21 (36:22):
Have a lot of life and a lot of energy
and a lot of you know, new things that kind
of can keep me in the loop with my kids and.

Speaker 11 (36:28):
All those things. It's fun.

Speaker 21 (36:30):
I mean, everybody in that locker room, it's like we're
all twenty five year olds just having the time of
our lives. And look, we get to come out here
and do this for a living. So why wouldn't we
feel that way?

Speaker 7 (36:42):
Yo?

Speaker 19 (36:42):
When is the last time you were in the real
quarterback competition like this one?

Speaker 11 (36:47):
Seems to be I don't know, high school, probably my
sophomore year high school. I could be wrong. Though I
don't know, so is that like I mean for you
to fe.

Speaker 21 (37:02):
Ah, listen, I'm not really thinking about it that much, honestly.
I'm just kind of going out there and doing what
I do, and you know, everything else is, you know,
kind of out of my control. So all I can
do is go out there and play football, and that's
what I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
When you were here in twenty three, uh, Church was not.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
Yeah, he's a he's exciting.

Speaker 21 (37:19):
I mean, you know, he's got speed, he's got route
running ability, and you know, you can see the look
in his eyes.

Speaker 11 (37:25):
Uh you know, he he.

Speaker 21 (37:26):
Wants to he wants to to be good, and he
wants to do it the right way. So it's exciting
to be around him. Ah Listen, I mean I I
I no knock on Jerry, but I mean a Mar's
done it for a long time, and he's a little
bit of a different cat. So I that that's when
when I say I I I see the look in
his eyes out here, Like I think he's striving to

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be somebody like that for sure. But I mean listen to,
Mar's done it for a while now, and like I said,
he's a little bit of a different dude. He's pretty's
pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
So I said, you get what are you seeing Kenny?

Speaker 18 (37:56):
And you guys.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
I see you guys.

Speaker 18 (37:58):
Out there, you know, kind of talking a lot, and
it looks like, even just in photos that we've seen,
you guys have really developed.

Speaker 15 (38:03):
A nice report.

Speaker 9 (38:05):
Listen.

Speaker 21 (38:05):
We spent a lot of time together, you know, all
the quarterbacks do. I think that's the nature of the beast.
When you're in this business and you're in a room
together a lot, you better, you know, you better find
ways to get along and find common ground with people.
And that's what we're doing in there. We're having a
blast and having a lot, having a lot of fun
talking football and and then just laughing at things that.

Speaker 11 (38:22):
Come up, you know, on a daily basis. Have you
ever tried the VR? Uh?

Speaker 21 (38:27):
So, I've been around some some VR. I tend to
just like sitting in the room and watching it on film.

Speaker 11 (38:34):
But I you.

Speaker 21 (38:35):
Know, listen, I I think when you talk to different individuals,
everybody has a little bit of a different experience, and
if you feel like you're getting help from it, uh,
it's a it's a it's a nice.

Speaker 11 (38:44):
Way to get extra reps.

Speaker 21 (38:45):
And you know, a lot of the times with things
like that. Even if it's not like earth shattering, if
you feel like it is and you feel like it's
given you a lot of help, then it than it is.
So I think there is value in it. I've never
been one of those guys to kind of do it,
but if y, if if that's what you like, then

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there's probably a lot of value in it.

Speaker 18 (39:09):
If you have been around, you've seen so much almost everything.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
And you know you are coming into Baltimore.

Speaker 18 (39:13):
Uh, how have you uh you know since the whole
Chadour sort of celebrity and aura that that kind of
follows him around him. What what impact does that have
on on anything?

Speaker 21 (39:24):
Ah, I don't know if it has an impact on much.
But Shador has been great. I mean he's a lot
of fun to be around in those meeting rooms and
I think once, I think so far there's been you know,
at least once in the meeting room that he's he's
made me crack a smile, and that's what it's all about,
you know. Uh, he's a young guy trying to learn
some football and and c and come out here and
practice well and do those things. And like I said,

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he's been a lot of fun. I mean, he's come
up to me and you know, listen, I probably wasn't
too far away from playing against his dad and now
I'm playing with him.

Speaker 11 (39:53):
So so you've been vocal.

Speaker 12 (39:55):
In recently about the topic those like vetteran.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Quarterbacks having him to me as a mentor.

Speaker 11 (40:00):
What do you think us outside world makes such.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
A big deal of that.

Speaker 21 (40:05):
It's a talking point. You can kind of like use
it like cause it's it's a good question. Debate somebody
into answering and either and no matter how they answer,
it kind of makes the guy that's answering it look bad.
If I if I say I don't wanna be a mentor,
I look bad. If I say I do wannam be
a mentor, then I look like an idiot that doesn't
care about being good and playing a football. So it's
one of those questions that no matter what I say,

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you guys write what you wanna write about it. And
there's a lot of questions like that. That's why you
end up having to try to avoid 'em. I tend
to try to be honest, and I've said I'm not
a mentor. I play football, and in a quarterback room,
there's a lot of times already, there's been already a
ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have
a lot of experience, and I can talk on things
and hopefully they listen.

Speaker 11 (40:46):
But it's not.

Speaker 21 (40:46):
Necessarily like my job to like make sure they listen
to me. And you know, hey, like hopefully you have
a really good relationship with the guys that are in.

Speaker 11 (40:53):
The room, and.

Speaker 21 (40:54):
And you naturally want to do that, you know, But
that's yeah, that was a long winded answer, but that's
ultimately why I think you guys ask it.

Speaker 14 (41:04):
You know, Joe, you said you're working to you don't
watch your draft. So when you found out to the
Browns drafted two quarterbacks, did you have any kind of
reaction to that.

Speaker 21 (41:11):
I think you always have a little bit of reaction,
going back to being honest, Yeah, I mean my wife
was like, oh, they just drafted another guy. My wife
is on top of it, you know, So there there
you go.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Do you think that your view what.

Speaker 10 (41:27):
You just said is more of a predominant view and
then other quarterbacks.

Speaker 21 (41:30):
Are maybe, uh, listen, Like, here's the thing is like,
because of what I just said, like you're acting like
I wouldn't want to be a mentor.

Speaker 11 (41:39):
It's and it's like, once again, it's.

Speaker 21 (41:41):
Not really about that. It's just not the main focus.
I see myself as a guy that can play in
this league. So if your main focus was just like, hey,
well I'm gonna get you ready, you're just not taking
care of business. The best way to be a mentor,
honestly is like show people how you go to work.

Speaker 11 (41:55):
You know, and and and.

Speaker 21 (41:58):
Like I said, hope that they pick up on that stuff,
but not necessarily force them to pick up on the
things that you do.

Speaker 12 (42:04):
Do you know your quarterback as a result of being
here from the first start as opposed to twenty twenty.

Speaker 21 (42:11):
Three, I think there's probably some validity to that. And
then all at the same time, like the off season
gets overblown and how important it actually is in my experience,
Like I love being here at this time with OTAs.

Speaker 11 (42:24):
Do I love Phase one? In Phase two? Not really?

Speaker 21 (42:27):
Do I love OTAs in mini camp I really do.
Once you get the train once it could you're playing football,
you know, like you're doing what you do. And at
this point in my career, I have such a routine
that I'm in that I could stay in during Phase
one and phase two that ultimately could be more valuable.
You could argue whether it is or not. I think
there's value in being here in the locker room with

(42:48):
your guys. I think that's the value. Do I think
doing all the stuff that we're doing is super valuable?

Speaker 11 (42:53):
Maybe not?

Speaker 21 (42:54):
And then the other thing about that is when you
get back for training camp. You know, as valuable as
this is or isn't, when you get back for training camp,
it's training camp and it starts over and now it's
the real season, and that's what matters. So like for
some guys around the league that don't necessarily come to
these or for guys that don't need to participate in
these like training camp, you know, you show up and
you're ready to go, and you're one of those guys

(43:15):
that can be ready to go and play at the
top of their game.

Speaker 11 (43:17):
That's what matters.

Speaker 12 (43:19):
Question there is there a comfort level now because you
were here in twenty three and you're not maybe having
to play as much a crash course catch up As
far as learning this system and the offense.

Speaker 13 (43:31):
Is there a lot of similarity?

Speaker 12 (43:33):
Are you having to basically learn yet another new offense now?

Speaker 21 (43:36):
I think you always kind of go back to the
beginning and relearn and do those things, especially when you've
taken a year to be in another offense.

Speaker 11 (43:44):
There's there's always refreshers.

Speaker 21 (43:45):
And I'd be lying if I said there wasn't any
level of like being a little bit more comfortable being
here just because you're familiar with your surroundings and things
like that. But I think at the end of the day,
alays you always kind of have to go back to
the beginning and relearn and and learn again and and
kind of start from square.

Speaker 11 (44:02):
Want soon.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
There's a narrative that.

Speaker 21 (44:05):
Reps Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there's probably some truth
in that. And at the same time, I like getting reps,
you know. I I love I have fun going out
there and I wanna f you know, I I wanna
throw to these guys. But yeah, listen, at at certain times,
I think there's some truth in the in in and

(44:28):
I don't need as many We just talked about it.
I like, how important is this time of the year.
And I think it's fun and I think it's important.
I don't think it's the most important.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
So Joe, if the.

Speaker 18 (44:37):
UH fans were UH determining who's going to be the
starter on opening day. Uh, you would win that one
hands down, because every single place that I can correct,
everyone tells me they want you.

Speaker 17 (44:49):
So my question to you is just how cool is.

Speaker 18 (44:52):
It for you to land back here where you just
have the absolute love of all these clue bright and are.

Speaker 20 (45:00):
You feeling it again?

Speaker 21 (45:02):
Yeah, it's a it's a cool place. I mean I
I the last time I was here, you picked up
on it. I mean it's a it's a city that
loves football and he is hungry for some winning. And
I think that's what resonated is we won games and listen,
yeah it feels good, but listen, you gotta go out
there and you gotta you gotta perform, and you gotta

(45:22):
play well, and you gotta win football games. That's what
it's all about. And that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm working hard to put us in the best position,
put myself in the best position to be out there
winning football games.

Speaker 10 (45:33):
So there's a couple because obviously, like the office is
kind of revamped last year. Gone forget to put a
percentage on how similar it is.

Speaker 11 (45:41):
When you were.

Speaker 21 (45:45):
That's like asking like, oh, if I'm injured, I'm like
eighty percent I never really understood that. I I don't
know how to come up with a percentage. It's either
like one hundred or zero. There's there's famili there's a
lot of the same. It's it's a lot of similar
concepts and things like that. There may be some new
name and new ways we're kind of teaching things, but
ultimately a lot of the core stuff is pretty similar.

Speaker 11 (46:06):
So good amount. Yeah, Jerry was just talking.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
He says, these locker mats with you and that you
guys have a lot of you know, a lot of
conversations over the course. What are those like and how
important is that, especially with the guy like Jerry, to
kind of develop that, you know, that bond beyond just
on the you know.

Speaker 21 (46:23):
Yeah, Well, if you're assuming we're in there talking about football,
we're not. Usually No, I can't tell you what we
were just talking about in there, but it's fun.

Speaker 11 (46:32):
Yeah, Like I love that.

Speaker 21 (46:33):
I love like I I was walking back to my
locker and three guys were sitting right there and I'm like,
all right, what's the topic. What are we talking about?
And they usually tend to shut up and listen because
they think I have some kind of wisdom because I'm old. Yeah,
I don't necessarily, at least on some of the things
they were talking about. I'm not sure I do have
with the right kind knowledge about that. But it's a
lot of fun along.

Speaker 13 (46:54):
The lines of understanding your point on mentorship. But you
talk about like learning from the experience that you have.
How much are those two working quarterbacks all from those
conversations happening.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I guess whether it's in the quarterback.

Speaker 21 (47:06):
Or about Yeah, a pr a good amount, you know, Like,
I mean, look like there's been like the first day
we were out here throwing routes, like Shoudor was asking
me about steps and things like that. I mean, Dylan was,
you know, call me up, trying to mimic my my
cadence and to see if that like for whatever reason,
he wants to get it similar. So you know, he's
a even down to the cadence. I mean, there's questions

(47:27):
and things and conversations that are happening.

Speaker 11 (47:30):
Uh, and they're fun. You know you use last one after.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Uh the Dicky should Dylan didn't add any more motivation
for you at all.

Speaker 21 (47:42):
Well, it's like when somebody asked the question like do
you feel a certain way when they draft two quarterbacks
or whatever. I I think there's no shying away that
there's something, there's something that gets ignited you in you
a little bit like there's a reason I'm still I
still want to play this game, you know. But at
the end of the day, I really don't focus on
those things. I focus on coming out here doing my work,

(48:04):
having a lot of fun, and all those other things
fall into place. Making good relations having good relationships with guys.
And that's the quarterbacks included. It's not just the receivers
and the O line and the running backs. It's it's
having good relationships in that quarterback room. You spend a
lot of time with those guys. They all seem to
be great guys and guys that want to play well
and get better, and you know, so, I think it's

(48:25):
gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4 (49:23):
Your Cleveland Browns. Well, you got a lot there, you
got a lot there.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
You got coach Defans get the podium, then you got
Kenny Pickett at the podium, and then you got Joe
Flacco at the podium. I mean, there's a lot to
react to. To me and you and I reacted briefly
girod to the Kenny Pickett session. Joe Flacco's session was
a grown ass man, fully formed. I mean, like you

(49:49):
asked me a question, Do you want an answer? You'll
get one.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Do I think this is this big of a deal. No,
I don't think it's that big of a deal. Do
I want my reps?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I want my reps. Was I surprised they drafted a
second quarterback. My wife was like, that was so cool
and so refreshing. And I mean, I remember when we
signed him here and he finished the end in twenty
twenty three and he was on with Zee and I
in studio and we said, good lord, that's what a
franchise quarterback sounds like, right.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
And there is definitely a difference in approach. Kenny was
diplomatic to say the least, and I love how he
answered it. And he didn't say anything inflammatory, nor did Joe. Joe,
just as we'd like to say, kep it one hund.
He told you what he's actually thinking, what he's actually feeling.
Now I would say he's somewhat through his wife under
the bus in that one comment that she was paying attention.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
To it, and obviously he was too. But he told you, again,
this is what I'm here for.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yes, I am not gonna be a mild content and
off standish in the quarterback room or anything like that.
And I get along with guys. And he also told
you the importance of being there and what it matters.
But he also talked about what how fhases one and
two disrupt his routine and how he could do without it.
So those things were definitely interesting. But again that's coming
from a perspective of a man who's been in the

(51:06):
league so long that two of the quarterbacks in the
room with him were toddlers when he started out.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You know, and I know that there's going to be
a lot of attention given to his mentor comment. There
he says, I'm not a mentor. He actually explained it
perfectly if folks actually listened to what he had to say.
He said, it's a no win answer for me. I'm paraphrasing,
but this is what he said. It's a no win
situation for me. If I say, yeah, I want to

(51:35):
be a mentor, then essentially what I'm saying is I
don't want to compete. If I say I don't want
to be a mentor, then I'm saying then you're taking
it as I don't want to be a good teammate.
The reality is he's a professional football player. He's going
to fight like hell to win the job. If he
doesn't win the job, he's going to be a pro.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
And that's exactly what you need to hear.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Again, he's at a stage and one could argue that
one should always operate from that dynamic, right, and I
can appreciate it. And I again going back to Kenny
and his approach. He's been in the league going on
four years now, Joe's been in a damnared twenty one.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
So with that being said, think about it.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
He can say those things in that line and manner,
and it makes complete sense, and it comes across as
a stute as well as fair and not being again
a guy who's gonna be one. So on discord in
the locker room, I didn't feel that way with his
answers whatsoever. I felt doctors a guy being flat out
honest and truthful with how he feels about the situation.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
At him, I could not agree with you more, no,
no divisiveness, just to pro and even said like, look,
I have a certain amount of experience. If guys asked
me questions, they can lean on my experience and we'll
see if.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
They listen like that, what more do you want?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
And that's the key part, and just not the sity
And he's not saying this, but the best way I
can phrase it, I was gonna use the children's my
children's comparison going to be a poor one.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
But I can say this, I've.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Talked to players before as a former player and being
an NFL veteran.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
And some guys just are gonna do what they do
and not listen to you.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
And you can have all the best of intentions nothing
about it to put them in a situation where they're
gonna make a mistake or try to trick them or
fool them to get the upper hand. Some peoples and
in general life, just aren't gonna listen. And you have experience,
So I like that approach, and I appreciate what he's saying. Hey,
I'm in a room, I say something, It's up to
those guys whether or not they're gonna listen. Because I

(53:29):
can also tell you competitions before in the football locker
room setting, where guys purposely say things purposely wrong and incorrect,
tell a guy the wrong check call to get him
in trouble, to get him thrown off his game. They're
not playing those type of games in our quarterback room.
And that's a great, great great to hear that that's
not the case occurring. This, I will say, and I

(53:52):
think you and I have a very similar read on it.
This is a pretty wild room.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
When you talk about a Super Bowl champion forty year old, right,
you talk about a former first round pick of your
rival who started twenty five games and then was a
backup for the Super Bowl champions, and now he's here
you acquired him be a trade. You have Dylan Gabriel
who's as accomplished in terms of statistically as anyone who's

(54:20):
ever played college football, and everywhere he goes, they've gotten
better when he's on the team. And the fourth one
is Deon Sanders, kid who took who when they got
to Colorado was the worst Power five job in America,
and they turned it to one of the most interesting
programs in year one, and they turned it into a
ten win program in year two. And a guy who

(54:40):
was protected to go in the first round who fell
all the way to the fifth. We've never seen anything
like this from a room. I mean, this has got
everything in it.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
No, and likely you'll never see anything like it again.
To be honest with you, Bowen, that just the dynamics
of what you just said. You just stop at the
first two guys like, Okay, that's enough, we.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Don't need more. But the intrigue is intrigued and we
certainly have that.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
And the one thing that really stuck with me, going
back to dealing in particular, he's copying Joe's cadence and
you're probably saying, what is that all about?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Again, it's about projection when you're in that a huddle,
when you're at that line.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
These little nuances that we talk about matter if you
sound like and granted, you got to be authentic in yourself,
but there's nothing wrong with taking part.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
It's a copycat league. If his approach.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Sounds professional and with an NFL quarterback, you n sounded
like and you're copying that, I have no problem with that,
because again, Joe Flacco has been in the league for
a long time for a reason. It's not been by
mistake or accident. It's because he knows what the hell
he's doing from the way he says this cadence to
how he approaches the game. So, yes, this locker room,
well quarterback room in particular, yes, it is crowded with personalities.

(55:52):
And again outside of maybe maybe this comes close, Bo,
you had a situation but different from accomplishment standpoint where
Joe Montana, Steve Young Bono and I want to say
our quarterback coach were all in the same room together.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Yeah, I mean that, Yeah, there there's been that.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
It's been a long time, and and that was that's
probably the most infamous quarterback room in the history of
the National Football League. Is they put all those guys
in there and and had young and trying to replace
the MVP in Montana. We're not there, but but you
definitely have a lot and you just think of the
life experiences that all four have and they're so different.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
So it was fascinating. Was it was really good.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I thought Kenny was really good in his and then
Joe was just I mean he's I mean, I'm a man,
I'm forty.

Speaker 11 (56:46):
I mean that's how I am.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Like, I'm done, I'm past caring, like I am who
I am man Like, if there's not much change, I'm
not going to evolve much Geron, and this is kind
of it at this point.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
And I think that's kind of the vibe I got
from Joe, like I'm this.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Is who I Yeah, it certainly was, but it was
done in a manner of fashion, which again, if you
want to take it out of context and make it inflammatory,
someone certainly could do that. But if you actually heard
it for yourself and heard the tone and everything that
he had to say. I think you're the full agreement
with me, Bo that it was just a stute and
on point and well said.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Just honest and straight and frank and straightforward. And no,
there is nothing inflammatory about any what he said. Just
listen to it and we're lucky that we're able to
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Speaker 11 (58:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
We had an eventful first hour, my friend. We had
coach to fans get the podium. We had Kenny Picket
at the podium. He had Joe Flacca at the podium.
Bow Bishop Girod Cherry with you here. Second hour of
the program. Now I do see the great ESPN Cleveland
quarterback stat tracker. They were ready. Tone must have been
doing it. Could have been Chops too, I'm not sure

(59:02):
which one what might have been Chops. Here is the tallly,
the unofficial tally from US at ESPN Claveland. Joe Flacco
nine of fourteen and a touchdown, Shador Sanders seven of
nine and three touchdowns, Canny Pickett nine of sixteen, zero touchdowns,
Dylan Gabriel eleven of sixteen, two touchdowns and one interception

(59:23):
that's on the one that was batted down by Mason Graham.
So that's where you go on your quarterback depth stat chart.
My friend, Can we read anything into that?

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Oh man?

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Well, from those numbers right now, i'd be saying that
Joe and Should Dour should be battling for that starting
position based upon that.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
But we have no idea whether or not that was
a scaley period.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
That's why it was, right, what do you do? Right?

Speaker 4 (59:49):
So who knows what was going with that?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
So you can read those numbers if you want to,
But obviously you don't want to see interceptions, and you
do give credence to the idea that you're seeing and
hearing about completions as opposed to incompletion. So that stuff
does matt to a degree. But to keep it in context, Bow,
you're absolutely right, and what I believe you're alluding to
is the idea that, for all we know, that could
have been five yard passes, six yard passes, nothing beyond

(01:00:13):
an intermedia route for all we know. Not if it
was from the twenties to the other twenties and they
were doing that type of work, I'd pay attention to that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
You don't know how much is red zone. You don't
know how much is you know, you don't know where
it's coming from. So take that a little bit with
a grain of salt. Both you're ont and ire. We
do think that there is some It's not nothing. Who
goes first, it's not nothing, who gets the most reps?
All of that stuff absolutely does matter. Is the determining
factor of who the starter is by the time we
get to September.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
No, of course not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
But it's a jumping off point on how you're judging
these guys in terms of offensively, what do you think
for the Cleveland Browns to have success? And we did this,
Zee and I did this a couple of weeks ago,
just like kind of played the schedule game when the
schedule came out, and we said, okay, what's the worst case,
what's the best case kind of scenario? If the worst
case we were in, you know, the five win range,

(01:01:05):
something like that worst case and maybe some people think
that would be lower. There's stuff all over ESPN right
now that has us maybe is the worst team in football. Okay,
that's fine, that's that's certainly in it. Well, that's just
like your opinion, man. But then there's the other side
of it where you go, gosh, you know, if things
go right, you go, could you win nine?

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Could you win ten? With good quarterback play?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
If you're going to have a better season than almost
everybody expects offensively, what, in your opinion does it need
to look like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
It's really simple. It's one, you're going back to an
offense in which the play set us from the offensive
cordator and head coach puts the quarterback position player in
a position in which, hey, we're gonna scheme you open
for guys and make plays. And then you going back
to running attack and controlling the football with that, that's

(01:01:51):
going to keep the defense off the football field, especially
if you're able to pick a first yardage down yardage
via the run, so that's gonna help. So ultimately, what
I see is just a ball control offense bow in
which you do have the opportunity to score more than
fifteen points a game, and you're also gonna be in
a spot to where you're gonna allow that defense to

(01:02:12):
get rested and not totally be on the football field
all the time. And then when you are in a
red zone, it's gonna be a nice balance of running pass,
and again you have quarterbacks in play who can do
what they can, make plays and not force the issue
and most importantly not turn the football over because think
about how many turnovers we had last year and the
price of that paid in regards to us losing plenty

(01:02:34):
of football games.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
You nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
It's gonna be relying on how Kevin's fancy got the
job to begin with. It is a run to set
up the pass. It is schemed open shot plays down
the field. It is protect the ball at all costs,
and it's probably gonna be winning twenty to fourteen, Yeah,
seventeen to ten, seventeen thirteen. We just don't have enough

(01:03:00):
lateral weapons to make people fear you. To where I
look at it, I don't see us having next season
a bunch of four or five play drives. I think
for us to have success, they're gonna be ten eleven
twelve play drives that milk clock rely on those two
rookie running backs in Jerome Ford obviously as well some

(01:03:20):
shot plays with Judy, and then obviously I think with
the two tight ends, I think you could get some
stuff down the seam a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
But that's it. That is the roadmap. And so the
mindset for these quarterbacks is don't turn the ball over.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Make plays.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Now, the defeatists out there would say, if the first
thing you're thinking of as a quarterback is don't make mistakes,
what are you most prone to do them?

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Make them right? So how do they you jump in
the head of these four guys, what should their approach be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
It's really going with what the offense and the defense
is giving you, not forcing things. And Joe will be
the first to tell you last year he got in
trouble when he did what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
You want to got to be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Aggressive, b be aggressive, but also that be be aggressive,
put the ball in adverse situations where it hurt us
more than it helped us. So again, turn on the film.
Our head coach's resume speaks for itself. You turn on
the film, you will see that Kevin Stefanski was able
to take quarterbacks who are not done much of significance

(01:04:25):
and beat the San Francisco forty Hinders, beat the Seattles well,
I day we lost to see our Seahawks, but put
us in a situation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Where teams we had no business beating.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
We beat based upon who the quarterback was on the
football field, because we weren't winning that quarterback matchup. So
I would turn it on. I would just show play
out to play out to play to where guys were
schemed open to where all you had to do was
go to where the play dictated you go with your
number one read because it was schemed open. That's making
the job easy for you. Now, what happens is sometimes

(01:04:55):
our ego gets in the way. Be like, man that
can't make any money doing this, I gotta show that
I'm And when you start having that mentality, guess what happens?
Bad things because you're also balid now against the signal
caller as well as the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
You hit it, brother, I mean, that's it, and that's
that's what will be the challenge for these four guys
over the course of the next couple of weeks and
obviously by the time we get into training camp.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
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with you here on Cleveland Brown's Daily, four time Super
Bowl winning quarterback Terry Bradshaw says he is not a
fan of Aaron Rodgers going to Pittsburgh and being the
starting quarterback. He said, quote, this was on one oh
three point seven the buzz in Arkansas. Remind me to

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tell you, gerond how this happened. If you're wondering how
like an Arkansas radio station is getting on, I'll tell
you how all of this happens.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Here's the quote, what are you gonna do? Bring him
in for one year? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
That guy needs to stay in California. Go somewhere, chew
on bark and whisper to the gods out there. That
is what he had to say.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
Do you have it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Go ahead, Kevin, if you got it, what do you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Think about possibly Aaron Rodgers being the quarterback?

Speaker 9 (01:07:15):
That's a joke.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
He shouldn't they That is just to me as a joke.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
But what are you gonna bring him in for one year?

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Are you kidding me? I mean, that's not the Steelers
way right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
No, man, that guy needs to stay in California. Go,
thank you, thank you, chew On Bark and whisper to
the gods out there. One hundred percent. These guys on
the show, Mister Bradshaw know I'm not a fan of his.

Speaker 16 (01:07:38):
We we've been around each other personally and he was
not a kind person.

Speaker 19 (01:07:43):
Now he does not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
I had to go over and introduce myself to him.

Speaker 9 (01:07:46):
He's not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
I had to go, hey, hey, Aaron, I'm Terry Bradshaw.
I know he knows me, but I just felt like
I better tell him who I am and not. You know,
walk in there and you get in his.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Presence and you feel like it's gonna start snowing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
So one of the guys on this show, and keV,
you may know the full story in this, so you
correct me where I'm wrong. One of these guys in
the show out of Arkansas one of three point seven
of the Buzz knows Bradshaw from like years ago, and
they went and did their show at a little rock,
Arkansas at his horse ranch in Oklahoma, and that's how

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they got this. So not only did they have the
Bradshaw interview, they also had like Dan Hampton on Former
Bears Hall of Famer and then John Daly called.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
In and they just.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Well about everything, talked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, but like, yeah, Dan Hampton talked about Aaron Rodgers
and then the thing that struck me in that bike
from Bradshaw, like he obviously felt disrespected that he had
to go introduce himself in Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
And you know what he's right about that. I mean,
Terry Bradshaw won four Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw doesn't get
I mean, I make fun of him because if he's
with the Steelers obviously, and I don't give him his
just do, but he is a great quarterback. But here's
the thing, just out of his respect to the fact
that he's your senior, why would you have this aura
or air about you that, hey, you have to come

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speak to me first, Which reminds me that's why I
hate going to celebrity parties bo they are the worst
experience as dog because because people you know what they do, Adham,
you spend more time watching and observing people jockeying to
see who's gonna speak to each other first in the
VIP areas. So it ends up being the worst party
is because most people are spending all their time doing what,

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having an air of self importance.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Why if you go out with the regular people, you're
gonna have the time in your life because they're to
do what, have a great time?

Speaker 11 (01:09:38):
A great time?

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Yeah? No, did you have?

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Did Aaron have a reputation at col Ah? You're a
cow guy? He's a cow guy. Like, what did you
know of him as a young player?

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Well, I just knew he was see just as a
guy who played quarterback and got drafted late thought he
was gonna go to forty nine ers And he's heralded
a cow. So you're not gonna find hard pressed to
say anything bad about him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
They might me on alumni.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Association, because one knows once you build a locker room
and it's in your nature, good luck saying anything bad
about Aaron Rodgers. But so the perception that cal is
completely one of brainwashing and idea that he can do
no wrong. So that's where it stands there. But my
opinion is simply, you've lost your way.

Speaker 17 (01:10:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
You and I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
It's easy to lose your way when so many people
tell you how great you are, it's easy to lose
your way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Well, I think I've been saying this and loyal listeners
here know this. I think it's known that he's going
to Pittsburgh. When I left the combine, Gerard, I said
he is going to be a Steeler.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
They know it, he knows it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
There's things that they are have patience for. But their
off season plan obviously to me, looks like one that
thinks they're getting Aaron Rodgers. I don't think they're going
to roll into camp with Mason Rudolph and Will Howard
and that's it. So to me, I think they know
they're going to get in. They've always known they're going
to get in, and I think eventually he'll be there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
And I think that's the case. But here's the problem
with it all. Yeah, you may get away with it
on some degree not coming to OTA's, but I don't
think you can do that as a quarterback. So much
of you being in that huddle, you being present and
setting a tone and tempo from position of leadership of
what the position demands from you. I don't think you

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can just be a mercenary and come in, check in,
and check out and get away with it. Now, someone says, well,
Joe Flacco did that totally different circumstance. He came late
into the season and it was the savior. There's a
difference when you have all the time in the world
on your hands, investing in getting to know your teammates
and you'd rather be doing something else. That tells me
that football is not primary to you. It's secondary and

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just something if you feel like, on a whim you want.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
To do, you'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
And that's what the Stills are working with. But that's
more power to them that they have that atmosphere going
on right now. If they do bring Aaron Rodgers in
hits why Terry was like, don't bring him in because
he knows from experience that's not how you should do things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
No, And I think it's exacerbated by the fact that
he's gonna have to learn a new offense. Right This
isn't New York where they're basically ran him offense like
he's gonna have to learn Arthur Smith's offense and it's
different than the one he's played in. So yeah, all
of those things are real. But I would be shocked
if he wasn't wasn't there, keV, do you happen to
have Bradshaw on Pickett?

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Let me take it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:14):
Let me take a look for you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Okay, So the other thing that Bradshaw weighed in on
was Kenny Pickett's time in Pittsburgh, and Pickett spoke earlier
in the show, Yeah, it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
We were we were talking about Kenny had the first
availability after coach Stefanski, and we know how highly Stefanski
and Barry and everybody in the front office thinks of Pickett.
He love the way he handled his media session with
the media earlier today. He's looked very good so far
in camp. And what it is for him here is
a lifeline and a chance to reset his career to
run exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And obviously the high mark of that is if you
can pull off another Sam Darnold type of situation here,
we'll more than take it. We'll be enthusiastic about it,
and we'll go from there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
But I believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Hey, if you are on a spot and we know it,
I mean Matt Canada's offense was horrific.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
Bowl horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
And this is how you know it is horrific whenever
you're in a situation, with all due respect to punters
and kickers, but whenever the punter and a kicker on
your football team feels it's okay to publicly look at
you sideways and say something inflammatory that tells you everything
you need to know right there, and that if the

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kickers willing to do that, and that lets me know
that you are horrible at your job.

Speaker 11 (01:13:30):
So Kenny was.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Faced with bad coordinating and also mild contents and a
poor offensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Tell me where that breeds success.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
It doesn't, is the long and short of it. It
doesn't breed that success at all. And that's something the
Branshaw kind of leaned on here. The quote is it
goes like this. When they got him to Pittsburgh, they
didn't protect him, they didn't get him an offensive line.
Then they throw a kid in there for two years,
you got an offense that doesn't fit and doesn't work.
They can't run because their offensive line is not even

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good enough for run blocking team. Now they're saying Kenny
Pickett is a failure. He wasn't a failure. The Steelers
were a failure.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Man, that's real. Jeez.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
He hope everything is right because we got a winner.
If it is, yeah, yeah, it would be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I'll tell you something else, like there's obviously no loss
between Bradshaw and the Steelers. This goes all the way
back to Chuck Nole, Like that's always in the city
of Pittsburgh. It's always been a little bit of an
uneven relationship there and then the way back like the
fans and stuff and Chuck Nole and all of it.
Do you know that his jersey number twelve is not
retired but has not been issued since nineteen eighty four

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when he wore.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
It, and rightfully so it shitdn't be warned.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Yeah, he represented in it, and I don't understand what
took place between the two, the organization and Terry, but
obviously he's speaking his mind on it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
And thank you because that is refreshing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
It really is a couple other things around the league.
Bill's head coach Sean McDermott is not thrilled about being
featured team for Hard Knocks. In years pan, the Mills
would have been able to turn down Hard Knocks. This year,
the NFL removed the role that allowed playoff teams to
refuse to appear on the show. I think this will
be having where I was here when they were, when
Hard Knocks was with us. This will depend on what

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the bills allow and how interested Josh Allen is in
being a part of this right that will dictate how
good it is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
And you can already tell from the head coach's mindset
no parts of it is he interested in. So again,
it's gonna it's probably gonna be one of your more
lack lesser ones because if you're now here's where it
gets problematic though, because if you're Allen, you are engaged,
I believe to a starlet.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Yeah he is, You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
So with that in mind, do you go Hollywood quarterback
and we all know how people feel about Hollywood quarterbacks
That could be a distraction, or do you just do
what you do and then let them figure out how
they want to project it and put themes out there,
narratives to present present you in certain types of imagery.
So that's that's the lasting that team need it because

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they have a good shot out making a Super Bowl
and they don't need that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
And it says distraction, But is here, buddy, the two
beast pressure teams in the NFL are the Ravens and
the Bills. Yes, and now the Bills have this with
them as well, and it's going to be at their feet.
And look, we've seen where quarterbacks are a big part
of it, like with Rogers, like it was basically Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Oh, he wanted that though he loved it and it
was all him all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
And Dak did a lot when it was with the Cowboys,
but when they were here, like you didn't hear from
the quarterbacks at all. You heard from Broken Roeback, like
you didn't hear from Bake, you didn't hear from the
other guys. And so it really depends on what angle
the Bills allow. For one other thing, real quickly here,
Jaguars head coach Liam Cohen said, the plan is for
rookie Travis Hunter to switch sides of the ball each

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day during OTA's and throughout the offseason program you played,
is this doable? Is this the path you would take offense?

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
One day?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Defense? The next for him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah, because ultimately he's such a talent that keeping him
abreast of both and not going long times without him
working on those skill sets well, especially on the pro level,
will hinder him. But I'm of the belief both that
he's capable of doing both. Now, can he be stellar
doing both?

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I won't put him on with put it this way,
I don't see him being Denzel Ward at cornerback, nor
do I see him being Jamar Chase at receiver or
Harry better yet Jerry Judy. But I could see him
contributing on both sides to where it's like, Okay, yeah,
he's good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I think when it's a good point out of you
in terms of the ceiling, I also think that when
you are when you consistently shine, going against the best,
even amongst the best, you stand out. The impact will
be felt right like he to me felt like the
surest thing in the draft, right like one way or another,
his impact will be felt offense, defense, combination of both.

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It will be felt, and it will very much be significant.
It's gonna be fascinating to see how it all plays
out with him down in Jacksonville. Jerry Judy from the
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Speaker 11 (01:18:50):
What makes you such an easy guy?

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
It I just get Oh, I think that's it?

Speaker 17 (01:18:57):
Crase separation, get openay for the quarterback?

Speaker 13 (01:19:01):
What's it like? I mean coming in here in all
four of these quarterbacks competing in a true battle. What's
it like for you as a receiver?

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:19:10):
Uh, I like it?

Speaker 17 (01:19:11):
You know, cause that just making each quarterback get better
compete against each other, you know, really drive in to
really be the best version of theyself. So you know,
you all you always wanting to as a quarterback, you
through four quarterback go.

Speaker 11 (01:19:22):
Ahead throughout your career.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
You I mean, you seem like every every year you've
had a situation where you go through two three quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 (01:19:29):
You know, how is the receiver do you adjust?

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
I mean, how difficult is it to to kind of
constantly be going through that not just have that one
guy that you know that you know you can you know,
kind of establish that bomb.

Speaker 17 (01:19:42):
You know it. It's pretty difficult cause you want to
always build that relationship with a quarterback and have that
consistency throughout the years. But you know, as a receiver's
going through that, you know, you just gotta keep keep
working and just you gotta learn how to adjust no
matter what. You know, some situations ain't gonna go as plans,
so you just gotta figure out how.

Speaker 9 (01:20:00):
Uh how to just keep going and stay on the
right path. Jerry, what do you ex said about for
your two for you just you know, be in this
office for another year.

Speaker 6 (01:20:07):
And getty how community before.

Speaker 9 (01:20:10):
I'm excited just to just see the growth in the
in the offense.

Speaker 17 (01:20:14):
You know, it's just seeing how we compete, seeing how
we gonna do this year and just putting up points.
With putting up points and winning games. You know, that's
what I'm most excited about.

Speaker 9 (01:20:24):
You Where you talked about just the going.

Speaker 18 (01:20:26):
To different quarterbacks and all and sort of the expecting
the unexpectations.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
But how do you make that transition for them?

Speaker 11 (01:20:32):
My bad?

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
My bad?

Speaker 11 (01:20:33):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:20:33):
How do you make the transition for them a little
bit easier when you have so many guys that are
kind of out there and you don't really know what
kind of the set guy is like.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Just building that relationship and stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:20:41):
What do you what do you do on your end?

Speaker 18 (01:20:42):
I guess to kind of help that cause.

Speaker 17 (01:20:45):
Just going out there, I in practice just get open,
you know, run my ross how I've been doing, and
just keep doing what I've been doing. You know, it's
only so much I can control it. Just all I
could do is just run rots and and get open.
So that's why I'm gonna continue doing and keep on doing.

Speaker 11 (01:21:00):
Coming out, go ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:21:01):
What did you learn, like just going through last year?

Speaker 15 (01:21:04):
I mean, I know, obviously there were so many points
of frustration just with losing, but you obviously have your
first thousand yard season. You found success, like what having
time to reflect on it was like important for you
this off season from what you learned being.

Speaker 13 (01:21:17):
Here in your first year last year.

Speaker 17 (01:21:19):
You know, just patience, patience, you know, just like you
know I ain't start off my uh season last year
how I ended it? Yeah, of course, So I just
stayed patient, you know, kept working, kept my kept focus,
and just kept working on my craft.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
You know, eventually I got you.

Speaker 17 (01:21:37):
I was able to n you know, perform and and
show what I could do, you know, and that's i'm'a
continue to keep doing.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
You Ken mentioned working with you even before you know
you were traded here? How much how much of you'd
already noticed kind of a benefit to that just out
of here during uh you know these.

Speaker 11 (01:21:54):
D this off season?

Speaker 9 (01:21:56):
So my back, can you forget that question?

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
Just w having worked with Kenny even before he got
oh yeah yeah yeah, how much? I mean how much
of a payoffics there already been? Do you feel like
there's been?

Speaker 9 (01:22:05):
Yeah? You k what do you know what I said?

Speaker 11 (01:22:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:22:07):
You know, uh, I worked with Kenny back at in
South Florida. You know, just building that connect connection, building
that relationship, you know, it means a lot, even off
the field. It means a lot, cause it's transitioned on
the field when it comes to this route running and
getting on getting on right time, and communicate each.

Speaker 9 (01:22:22):
Other, talk about what we see on the field, so
you know it it's always big.

Speaker 12 (01:22:26):
How much more comfortable do you feel'tually last year coming
there with your first year here everything was kind of
new do how much more money do you feel in
the offense.

Speaker 17 (01:22:33):
Or with the team, and just kind of where you're at,
you know, I I I feel I feel pretty comfortable,
you know. Uh, like you said last year, my first year. Uh,
now it's my second year, so I'm I'm more you know, acclimated.
So you know, I feel pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
What are your impressions of it's your rookie quarterbacks and
so far?

Speaker 17 (01:22:47):
Oh, they they working hard, They competing very well, you know,
very smart athletic quarterbacks that that's know the game of football,
that know how to play the.

Speaker 9 (01:22:54):
Position real well, very smart.

Speaker 13 (01:22:56):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:22:57):
I'm I'm excited. They got a bright future ahead of 'em.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Which children then were with you?

Speaker 9 (01:23:01):
Joe Joe Fla.

Speaker 17 (01:23:02):
He actually left before I got there, Okay, yeah, yeah,
he he left before I got there, But I heard
a lot of great things about him though, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 13 (01:23:08):
What's it been like getting to to work with him
so far today in this week and whatever?

Speaker 9 (01:23:13):
Uh it been? It been amazing.

Speaker 17 (01:23:15):
He he actually my my locker mate, so you know,
I I have some conversation with him from time to time.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:23:21):
He a great dude, you know, a great quarterback. You know,
been being in the league for a long time. Understand this,
you know, and I'm I'm excited to have him.

Speaker 11 (01:23:28):
Did you talk you talk about uh brookies.

Speaker 12 (01:23:32):
Sort of get what are the conversations that's like with
them between you guys, between you and them, and just
how much do they pick your brain in turn to
try to.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
Kind of get themselves?

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
Have you?

Speaker 17 (01:23:43):
You know, they do don't really ask me too much
questions cause I already know what they what they need
to do. They don't really asks that much questions, you know,
so uh, you know, they just keep They just come
out here and do that. And they they know football.
They they understand the game.

Speaker 11 (01:23:57):
They know.

Speaker 17 (01:23:58):
That's that's what I respect most about that cause they
understand the game of football. So they don't really ask
too much questions. But once they do, they they they
must don't know, so I I you know, I I
tend to give 'em a little tip tip or two
about it was the best ball. You know, I'm not
gonna answer that, you know, I'm not you know, I'm
not gonna answer that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:16):
What what's it like?

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
It looks like a three ring circumstet times, but it
it seems very organized.

Speaker 11 (01:24:21):
But all these extra reps. What that was it gone
for two days?

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
It's as a receiver with all these types of reps. Uh,
it's been good, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:24:28):
Uh, I don't with that.

Speaker 17 (01:24:30):
I seem practice. There was a lot of drop balls today.
I don't think there was a lot of drop balls.
So quarterback was putting balls right on the money, you know,
and receieve what was making plays. You know, we gonna
keep doing that.

Speaker 14 (01:24:39):
Karry, What are those what are those conversations that you'll
like sitting next to 'em? A, it's locker, it's there's
a personal stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Pay Yeah, it is talking.

Speaker 9 (01:24:44):
It's a little bit of personal. We just had a
personal conversation come before I came out here.

Speaker 17 (01:24:48):
You know, son that I ain't gonna s say out
here in the media, But you know, you just be
talking not a major and then.

Speaker 13 (01:24:54):
I'm I'm thinking, you know, last year you were kind
of in that corner with Jail Hey, and you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Always can always hid us like what conversation.

Speaker 11 (01:25:00):
Yeah, has it been a hard kind of seeing.

Speaker 13 (01:25:02):
Him go through what he's gone through?

Speaker 17 (01:25:03):
So yeah, yeah, I'm I miss my dog Jail k Man.
Just the energy he brings to the locker room even
on the field. You know, you know, but you know
you want, you wanna be able to want the best
for him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
Unfortunately we ain't gonna have him this year, and and
that sucks cause he won't have a good player, But
you know, I just wish the best for him.

Speaker 12 (01:25:20):
Cheria, how is your approach to the this stage of
the off season change is become an older player?

Speaker 9 (01:25:24):
See that again?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
How is your approach change to this stage of the
off season as you've become an older player?

Speaker 17 (01:25:31):
You know, just just by taking carry yourself, can't carry
your body, knowing you're r getting ah a set routine
before you go out down the field and make sure
you prepared prepared when you is on the field.

Speaker 9 (01:25:42):
Know, that's the biggest thing for real.

Speaker 10 (01:25:43):
Aul.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Along those lines, why is it important to you to
be here for this stage of the program, even though
it is voluntary.

Speaker 17 (01:25:49):
Obviously, cause you wanna build that connection with your quarterbacks.
And you know, just even we might we gotta uh
we got new plays in Uh. You just wanna be
able to understand the new plays, new concepts and things
like that.

Speaker 13 (01:26:02):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:26:02):
It's and I just love football. I love being out here.
I love competing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
You weren't your ruh with black home kind of big month?

Speaker 9 (01:26:09):
I seen it though, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
At the time when Mari Cooper said that when he
throws the ball, it's like poetry in motion.

Speaker 11 (01:26:15):
Yeah it is. See what he means.

Speaker 17 (01:26:17):
Yeah, I see exactly what he means. I see him
not there every day so far, you know. So I'm
excited for Joe. I'm decided to play with him.

Speaker 15 (01:26:24):
I was gonna ask, like along those lines, how awhere
were you of that story, like as it was happening
when he went on this run with the Browns.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
And t nah, I'll read I was watching it.

Speaker 9 (01:26:33):
Yeah, I was watching it. Yeah, I s I I seen.
I watched a few games, you know, so, yeah, I'm
not surprised. I's and see what Joe can doing.

Speaker 13 (01:26:41):
Talk about Uh, you wanted to score points and and
get it the office flowing. But so of the receding
for you said your Ja Mury, You guys were.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
Through those warning HND and catches over there.

Speaker 13 (01:26:51):
What has just kind of been your approach with them
and as a unit as you guys you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Just worked through the off season together.

Speaker 17 (01:26:58):
Biggest thing really is just just been in confidence, just
knowing like yeah, just in grainting they brand like we're
the best, just what we do if we in the
NFL for a reason. So just making sure everybody just
on the right page. Just play fast and play play confident,
you know. So that's the biggest thing for real.

Speaker 22 (01:27:16):
You talked about the rookie quarterbacks, but there's some young
receivers here looking to make a name for themselves, looking
to or or earn a spot. So for you, as
as a veteran leader, now what is your message to
those guys?

Speaker 17 (01:27:28):
The biggest thing really just learn they playbook. Lear learn
their position for real. Did everything will come afterwards once
you keep your hand in that playbook. Know what you
supposed to do on offense, no where you supposed to
line up, Know you where you supposed to be for
the quarterback, you know, then the little techniques and details.

Speaker 9 (01:27:42):
WI will come will follow with it. So that's the
biggest thing for real.

Speaker 22 (01:27:45):
Have you liked what you've seen m from them so far?

Speaker 11 (01:27:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:27:48):
We got a uh great group of guys. You know,
I'm excited for the young group we got.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
Tommy uh was here obviously last year, but he was
you know, tight ends. Work working with the tight ends.
How much have you notice that you know, is influence
on what you guys are doing?

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
Offensive?

Speaker 9 (01:28:03):
Uh yeah, tell me, you know, he don't really say
to tell me. I already say too much, you know,
but that's my dog. We we got a good relationship
off the field. That's my dog. I'll mess with Tommy,
that's my dog. But he chill, you know, he just
calls played.

Speaker 17 (01:28:20):
Don't really say too much, you know, give up shot,
show it the little details, Neil fix and work on.

Speaker 9 (01:28:25):
You know, ain't too much with Tommy.

Speaker 13 (01:28:27):
He's your guy.

Speaker 17 (01:28:28):
Excited Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know, Tommy a
real cool dude.

Speaker 6 (01:28:34):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:28:34):
I'll mess your talking. Yeah all right.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Well, that was eventful and I know you're gonna have
a covered on the next level as well. Coming up
next to my friend Baugirad here wrapping up. Look, this
is OTAs are going to be about the quarterbacks. Training
camp is going to be about the quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
It is going to be the question really of the
off season. It's going to be the question honestly through
the season as well. And it really did start in
earnest today, my friend, where this is the first time
we've seen all of them together in one place, at
least for the media, and we're able to make our
own judgments about what we see. Yeah, it felt like
one of.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Those g s of the events where you have different
speaking styles from leaders of the free world right, and
you had in this situation, can you Pikett was diplomatic
and Joe Foe totally like it is is very intriguing
to say the least.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah, And I think what you got out of Kenny
is you're reminded it's first time we've heard from in
a while. You're reminded that he was a former first
round pick. You reminded that he was a two year
starter in Pittsburgh, that he's faced all of this before.
What you got with Joe Flacco is an old guy.
He's not as old as I am, but at the
same time, he's an old guy who's fully formed.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
You ask him a question, you're gonna get a direct answer,
right and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Know do you get a direct answer, But you get
a direct answer when you in which you walk away
from saying okay, there's nothing inflammatory here. There's nothing trying
to cause a stir or you know nature.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
It's just a truth.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah, and I'm sure there'll be people that look for inflamma.
There was nothing inflammatory with any of it. Direct questions
or answered. We're asked and direct answers were given. I mean,
it's it's kind of that simple, my friend. It is
always a pleasure getting to do a show with you.
I look forward to listen to you and Emmon and
everybody coming up next on the next level.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Thank you so much. Always a pleasure. My friend will
do it again soon. Sounds great both. Thanks again. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
All right, there he goes the great Huron Cherry. The
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