Joel Bitonio, Charles Woodson, and Kurt Warner Join the Show - Cleveland Browns Daily - 5.22.25

On today's show, Browns OL Joel Bitonio stops by to talk about the Browns offseason so far (:38). New Browns limited partner Charles Woodson (19:20) and NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner join the show (47:42). And the guys answer questions from the mailbag to wrap up this Thursday (1:14:50)!

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's You're live on a Thursday edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I am merely Bo. He is the Great z and
to my right, it has been too long, the Great
Joel Buttonio. I know you guys got me back on
for once.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
All right, many requests are made, Not many requests are made.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yes, Now you're one of the best.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
You're a multiple time winner of the Dino Lucarelli Good
Guy Award.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
I would say, yeah, I'm going that's the reason I
came back. I'm trying to break break a record that's
unbreakable for the Good Guy Award.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Had a good shout out.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
How does how does California? Joel wrap your head around
the last month of weather?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Oh man?

Speaker 6 (01:15):
It's I knew winter was tough, and we were here
all winter. My kids are in school, but we got
like a week of like seventy five and I was like, oh,
we're turning a corner and then now we're like fifty
in rainy it feels like Seattle, So I you know.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
It feels like the winner.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, I think this is a little disappointed.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
The golf season gets a little cut into it, you know,
And I'm a mutter like I'll play in a little
bit of weather. But but you know, this is getting
a little out of hand.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Cart passed by August Boys, cart passed by has be
right back into camp.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
We're gonna be toast. We're gonna be off to Carolina
and Philadelphia and it's gonna be It's gonna be toast,
all right.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
You mentioned that's why you came back.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
So part of it was obviously setting breaking the Dino
Lucarelli Good Guy Award record.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
What was the rest?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
You and I talk kind of at the end of
the year, and I knew you you wanted to but
you wanted it to be right to do. So what
what how'd you get to this decision?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:08):
Truthfully, I was, you know, I was disappointed in the
way the season went last year. You want to win
games when you play this this this game, and I
was in a year eleven, and that's kind of what
it's come down to you and you were frustrated with
the way things were happening, you know what, what you
you know, thought was something we could be good at
as a team, and we kind of move away from that,

(02:29):
and so I wanted to take some time away and
just you know, you're with guys for six months and
you're like, let me get away from this, let me refresh.
I went away for you know, a month away is
hanging out with my kids in my house. Nothing, you know, crazy.
I adn't go on any like crazy tricks.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, exactly, darkness to make your decision.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
But you know, and I was like, met coach Bloom,
you know, talked to coach Tofansky, talked to you know,
Andrew Berry, and just like the plan, Like they don't
tell me all the top secrets, but they're like, hey,
we want to get back to what we did well
in twenty twenty twenty twenty one. We want to run
the ball, we want to play action off the run.
We're going to get a vet quarterback, We're going to
draft a guy. You know, all these things that you're

(03:06):
like as alignman, You're like all right, this makes sense.
Mistakes makes sense. Coach Bloom comes back and he talks
to me, and we got to dinner, and just the
way he was talking about.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Is your kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yes, you know, he loves ball. He loves running the ball.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
He was at Stanford with those guys when they were
really running the ball, you know, three tight ends, two
fullback type of thing. And that got me excited. And
then I just, you know, sat with my wife and
you know, I think she thought I was going to retire,
and I you know, and you know, I was like,
I think I can still play. Like I'm ready. I'm
not ready to be done. You know, I do love golf.

(03:42):
I am ready to you know, do that eventually. But
I'm like, I can still play football, have the rest
of my life to those things. I am thirty three
years old, yeah, body of like a fifty five year old.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
But had people have I mean, we have a pretty
decent idea, but even we don't have any idea like
what you play with injury on a given basis, I
can't imagine it. So when you're done and you're decompressing,
how much of it is mentally I can get back
to their physically what that entails. And then did you

(04:12):
lean on Joe at all? Uh Thomas with obviously his
because he had to make these types of decisions that
you're making.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Yeah, Honestly, a lot of the guys like I talked
to Joe, I talked to Mitch, I talked to John Greco.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Just guys that were had made that decision.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Yeah, Greco's man, I'm gonna see him this weekend, so
or excited for that, But no, it was a you
want to just know, Like I actually talked of Rabel
as well. You know, guys that have played in this
league for a long time that are like, what was
the decision you know that you made? And mentally I
feel like I can I was fine, Like I was
like it was it was disappointing, like the season was frustrating,
but I was like, I don't want to let one

(04:46):
season or one circumstance like drive me away. It's really
the physicality, Like so I had my back checked out,
I had my elbow, my knee, all these things that
have bothered me. I'm like, what is this going to
do to me if I keep playing? Obviously there's no answer,
like you could really mess something up. But they're like,
you know, it's it is what it is at this point,
you know, like, yeah, I might get a little bit worse,
but at the end of the day, it's like, we

(05:06):
feel like you're healthy enough to go out.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
There and keep playing.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
And that's kind of what I asked Joe, and Joe
was big, like, hey, you know, play as long as
you can. And his knees were bad at the end,
so I think that was that was the reason. Mitch,
you know, gave me a lot more analytical answer of like, well,
you gotta you know this versus this and the pros
and cons and I'm might to unplug something. Okah, good,
and uh, you know, Greco's just always been a mentor

(05:29):
to me, and I just always looked up to him
the way he was a professional. He just you know,
they just give me these these thoughts and and all
that together. And then with my wife and she's like,
whatever you want to do, and I was like, all right,
let's play some more football.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
One thing you didn't mention, and I'd have to imagine
maybe it's not a big piece of it, but there
probably are only so many things you're going to be
able to do where you can make more than ten
million dollars in one calendar year. How much does that
factor in at all?

Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yes, I think it'd be crazy to be like money,
you know, doesn't matter at all.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Like I love doing this and I get this as well.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
You know, I think we've done a decent job of,
you know, taking care of our money and stuff, and
in that aspect, one way or the other, it wasn't
gonna be a huge difference. But then you look at
it and you're like, all right, yeah, you're gonna make
a lot of money playing a game that you love
that you can still do, and it's like, let's go
out there and give it a try.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
After spending that weekend with a hoff, I mean, I
asked them, I'm like, so this is why you played football,
so you could have this anyeah, yep, no doubt, no
doubt in my mind.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Do you get some juice? You know?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
You talked about getting back to running the football. We
had the rookie mini camp, we had twin Shawn, we
had Dylan. All of a sudden, it's like yeah, yeah,
it's like but it's like, okay, that that's you want
to get back to running the football.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Those two guys both look like they're ready to go. Yeah,
it's exciting.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
You know, you draft guys and you see these running
backs that are explosive players, and the way coach Reese
and Coach Evanski and coach Bloom have really talked about
we're getting back to running the ball like what we
did good multiple different sets, not just wide zone, but
the power scheme, pulling me and Wyatt, you know, the
things that we've done well in the past. And then
you get some fresh running backs back there that are

(07:06):
ready to run. And truthfully, I didn't know much about
the guys we drafted, but you see him, you see
the highlights, you see how they carry themselves. Here, you
see some of the stuff from mini camp, You're like,
all right, there's some explosion in there for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So it's exciting.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, I mean, Judkins is a stud and knows how
to get in the end zone.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Is a hammer.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Samson was the SEC Offensive player of the year.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Right, Yeah, there's some accolades that go into that, and
then yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
You got to be pretty talented in that conference to
be the offensive player.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Of the year.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
He certainly is that. You mentioned bringing in a veteran quarterback.
Obviously you got to work with Joe Flacco in the past.
He's back. But you know, I've heard a lot of
real positive things about Kenny Pickett fifteen and ten as
a starter in his career. What's kind of you knows
the NFC AFC North obviously, what's been your impressions of
Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, it's been great to have both of them, and
they're both just such quality professionals that they work well
with each other already seeing Kenny and Joe in the
weight room and on the field. But it's awesome. He's
he's been great. We've golfed a couple of times when
the weather is held up and just getting to know
him in that sense like a golfer. Yeah, he's just
started like last year, but he's already like in the
low nineties. So you're like, all right, this guy has

(08:10):
some talent, you know, And and he's very competitive. We
were playing some stuff and I made a couple of
puts on him and he was a little bit frustrated.
But no, he's, uh, you can tell you super competitive. Competitive,
he's locked in like he like you said, he has
an understanding of the division. He's played here and I
think he understands what we want to do. We want
to take care of the ball. We want to let
our defense you know, play at a high level and

(08:32):
then take those shots when we have him. But no,
it's it's been great so far and and I've enjoyed,
you know, getting to know him a little bit better
as well.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
What has the vibe kind of been like?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
And you know, you mentioned like the bad taste of
the mouth that you had after last season. A lot
of veterans on this team, obviously a youth talent has
been injected as well, but just kind of the the
off season feeling around the team for fans, what are
they what are they missing by not seeing what's happening
day to day?

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yeah, I can tell you what. Like Like, we're not
dwelling on that, but guys know, we did not play
up to our standard last year as a team, and
and I think coach Tafanski is harped on that, like, hey,
we need to do something different, you know, to make
a change here. And so the guys that come in
and put in work obviously a new playbook on offense
kind of new, but you know, new compared to last year,

(09:17):
and the focus really is like what's told is new, right, right.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, we've talked about this stuff.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
You know, We've talked about, you know, taking care of
the ball, and we haven't done that the last couple
of years. We've talked about, you know, forcing turnos, we
haven't done that. These are all things that to be
a winning team, like you have to you have to do.
And so we've really been focused on those things and
and haven't been afraid to call out you know, kind
of the BS stuff that that goes on a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
But I think the guys are focused.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
The guys that have been here have been locked in,
and I'm excited to kind of see how it progresses.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
One thing I heard some rumblings about is that potentially
this is going to be a much more intense and
physical training camp than maybe we've seen the last couple
of years. Are you hearing those those rumblings?

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Yeah, you know, I'm excited for it. I know Mini
camp was a little bit amped up compared to what
they've had in the past. We had some OTAs and
obviously there's rules that you know, we're not shaking, but
getting into the training camp, you know, I know we're
not going to the green Brier this year. We have
a couple joint practices and those are always pretty up
tempo intents practices. But I think we're when you want

(10:18):
to run the ball, like you have to practice running
the ball, and so there's gonna be some some piers.
I don't know if they'll be live, but some periods
where it's like, hey, we're running the ball ten times here,
like defense knows it, offense knows it. And you have
to fight through those moments because in the games, so
you close out fourth quarters, right, it makes it. It
makes it easier when you're you know, the guy you're
going gets knows the plays you run. But when you
go into a game, it's going to fill that much easier.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
All right.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
One of the big topics this week around the league
has been the fact that you guys are going to
be able to be in the Olympics if you want
to be that passed and and so there will be
flag football in the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. I'm
guessing you're going to throw your hat in the ring
to quarterback that operation.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
If my shoulders will quite hold up. It's exciting. I
think guys that want to play, you know, are excited.
Part of me is like we have obviously the best
athletes in the world in the NFL, But part of
me makes me a little bit nervous, like these guys
play flag football for a living. Like there's different, you
know what I mean. Like I've seen them in the
Pro ball play flag football, and there's a lot of

(11:14):
good things, but these guys are like ladder on the ball,
you know, running the quarterbacks do a certain way. I
think they would have to be some serious like practice
and I think if you give them two weeks or
three weeks, yes they will be the best in the world.
But I think you really have to take it serious,
like you can't just be out there like, all right,
we're gonna run some seven on seven routes and see
what happens. Obviously they're gonna run by some people, but
I think some of the teams would be competitive. And

(11:35):
I don't truly know, but that's just my vibe.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Some of the team's non American, you think, or even
the American. I think that's what we were saying, probably
the best chance.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
But believes and I agree with him, that we should
be the sports czars of the world the things we want.
Because they're saying only one American team, I think there
should be an NFL team, and then there should be
that professional flag football team, like the guys that are
the best of the best of the best. They should
get a squad in there, because I think that'd be interesting.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Beach volleyball, you get two teams, like a lot of
the sports, two different teams.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I we are trying to get. We want like all
of the best players in our division to participate, Yes,
to take them off of their teams like that Jamargo's
and quarterbacks at Jamar Chase. It can be a receiver
came back it's in July.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, that'd be tight too.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
I mean, listen, the reality is this is not without
the potential for no catastrophe for sure, So no Browns. Yeah,
go out there, all those guys. Like I just I
would find it hard to believe, though I do think
you will get NFL players, But I do find it
hard to believe that Steve Bashatti is gonna say, yeah, Lamar,

(12:40):
you can go play flag football this summer. I don't
think to me, there's no way allows that, right, Jamar Chase,
go We just had a big deal.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I want you go play some flag football this summer.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Yeah, there'll be a lot of things to pick through there,
but I'd be interested to see. I know, if they
trained at it like they would obviously be elite at it,
but it'll be interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
There's a lot of ski and flag football.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I think I liked your line though, Like I thought
you saved it at the end when you said three
weeks two.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Week trading camp.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Give us two weeks with like a coach, and I'll
I like my chances. I wouldn't sall us as like it,
and I'm using us as like the NFL players as
like twenty eight and a half point favorites.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
I do think though, when we talked about this as well,
and I'm sure you've come across them at some points,
whether either in your collegiate career you've heard about him
or even see a guy like you played with Crow
for example.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Now he made it to the NFL.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
But there are there are a lot of incredible athletes
who would have been great NFL players that never even
get to college or to the NFL for a variety
of reasons. I mean, if they are in some of
those teams. Never know football guys, I mean I could
get interested.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Yeah, I've seen the thirty seven you on Instagram. You know,
those guys still playing for the love of the game
out there, so you never know.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Uh, tell us about the charity A Kid Again. I'm
very familiar with it. This is exciting.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
So I've been working with them for the last couple
of years, but we're doing a raffle. So I did
a kidding in cleats for Mike off my cleats. I
signed those cleats, their custom a kidding in cleats. They
have a custom bottle of Maker's Mark A Kid Again.
And then there's six tickets to Brown's training camp and
a meeting greet with me afterwards. So this is one
big raffle. You buy a ticket for fifty bucks on

(14:14):
the Kid Again website or you can go to my Instagram.
I got linked in the bio and you have a
chance to win this. You know, one person wins it.
But it's a pretty cool thing. And the best part
is it's for a great cause. Like me, me is okay,
but you're helping raise money for these guys. These are
families that are raising kids with life threatening conditions and
they go on these adventures where they bring a lot
of these kids together in families. And we went to

(14:36):
seeing seventy five this offseason and just seeing those kids
like be able to experience a little bit of normalcy
and the families kind of meet and talk with other
people that are going through a lot of the same things.
You know, it's very special. It's obviously a tough thing
to do, but they try and do these adventures in
fifty bucks will pay for one of the family's adventures,
so they're doing all types of you know, fundraising. We're

(14:59):
just trying to help help get the word out and
if someone wants to come, you know, meet us at
Browns training camp, a tougher, more physical Browns training camp.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, uh, we'll be excited to meet them.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
It's beautiful to see you know, how involved this organization
and this team and the players are in this community.
And you're always there, like I always say, you know,
for example, I do the Halloween thing.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
You're always there. Yeah, always, And it's awesome.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
That's so import you because there are a lot of
guys you know, this many years in the league, this
many you know, pro Bowls. You never know, you're always there,
and so I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
No, I appreciate it, honestly. It's like the city has
given me so much.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
And like he talked about, like the Cleveland Browns, I think,
you know, the Haslums and their foundations do such an
amazing job of this community and to be a small
part of it, Like it's easy for me to go
out there and be a part of it because we appreciate,
you know, what the fans and what the people of
Cleveland do for us.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's great to see you, buddy. Yeah, No, I'm I'm
you know, excited, to be honest.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
It feels optimism here by the way. I think we
get it season.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
We might get out of juice.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
We might get yelled at by some of the people
out there if we don't even ask you this because
you mentioned they told you the plan veteran quarterbacks, We
talked about them and rookie quarterbacks. What's been like with
the two rookies. This is a very unique situation.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
Yeah, you know, I think first off, quarterback most important
position in any sport. And so if you have two
guys that you want to take a chance on, like hey,
why not do it? Give them, give him a chance,
and to have a guy like Joe Flacco and Kenny
Pickett in there to learn from. You know, I think
is a special place. If I was one of those
young guys, I would just follow him around and be like,

(16:32):
what does this guy does? Yeah, but they've been good.
You know, I've only met him in passing and just
saying what's up and and seeing how things are going.
But they seem locked in. They seem ready to roll.
You know, it'll be exciting to see him once we
get out on the field. You know, I've had my
fair share of quarterbacks, but it seems like these guys
do things that you know, Coach Thefansky Andrewberry want to do,

(16:52):
and they'll be Uh, it'll be exciting once we get
on the field.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
His rookie year twenty fourteen. Obviously you started with the
rookie quarterback. Then the great John Football was with Joel
and here you are again. Now it's going again and
there we started the final game in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yes, me and Joe we're talking about that game this morning.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
You know, he hit a bomb to Tory Smith and
that game we're pretty sure Conor show ended that game
with like a finger that was off of his hand,
a broken rib, but just that was a tough one.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Yeah it was he had internal bleeding. Yeah, take him
to the hospital. No, it was that well, okay, quick story.
I remember that game because we were down. You know,
Hoyer was out, Menzel was out. We had signed this
is bad ball by me. I don't remember who he
signed to be the backup that week, but he just
came in for like a week and you know, to
be the backup quarterback. Connor got absolutely destroyed on the

(17:45):
sideline and he was like army crawling and the backup
quarterback was on the side and he's like, you're good,
get up, get up, And the ref even gave us
a chance like get him off the ground and like
and we actually played like a long pass and he
was like hobbling down on the field and I was
just like, oh my god, this guy is and we
were in that game with both needed to win to
go to the playoffs. So it was it got a

(18:06):
little bit.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Get a bomb Tory Smith.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
We were like really hanging in and then it was
like that was classic Flacco, like nothing nothing boom found it.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Do we need to do stories stories with Joel in
the off season do we need I mean, we have
to talk to your people, but some good stories out
there that he has seen a lot.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
Dan Murphy keeps me pretty locked away, but you know,
when we get a chance, we can definitely do some
stories for you.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, free Joel. We'll talk to Dan about that.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
We see anybody likes the charity and a Kid Again
again and you can get that on their website and
also on your Instagram for the link and that that's
just a spectacular charity.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
So good job out of you on that.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
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(19:34):
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Speaker 7 (19:43):
And Man, I was just sitting here listening to you
say that, man, and I was just kind of blown
away by that limited partner of the Browns. You know,
my home stay of Ohio. Man, it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Take us through, Take us through. How this all came
to me? We said yesterday when you can have and
right by our calculations, there are three such people on
planet Earth right now yourself. It was Tony Dorsett and
Marcus marks all and who have won the Heisman, won
a college championship, won the Super Bowl, and are in
the National Football League, the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
One of three.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
When you can add that to your organization, it's obviously
a no brainer from the Brown standpoint. How did this
all come together?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Though?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
How did you get to this point where let's do this,
You make the investment and now you are a limited
partner of the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 7 (20:29):
Yeah, I think I want to you know first, you know,
give a lot of credit to Lyricsis Jerald and I
know that'll probably surprise some people, but he contacted me
maybe stood over a year and a half ago and
asked me, Hey, would I be interested in, you know,
maybe exploring getting involved with a franchise. And I was like, yeah, sure, man,
let's do it. And so he introduced me to Derek Haggins,

(20:53):
who I got to know over the process really well.
And from that point, you know, Derek you know, reached
out to a few teams and and just kind of
you know, saw their interests and the Browns were one
of the one of the teams that came up. And
so once that happened, you know, he set a meeting
up with myself and uh, of course of mister Hasslan

(21:14):
and his wife d J. W. Whitney, and I was
able to meet them at the Super Bowl twenty twenty
four when it was out in Vegas, and I was
able to sit down with the family and just you
know talk to them. We talked about each other, his background,
you know, the franchise, and you know my interest in

(21:35):
being involved with the team. And so that was just
the initial initial visit, you know, just to kind of
feel each other out. And from there, you know, we
kind of kind of hit hit the road, uh, and
hit the ground running and kind of started down this
road throughout this process. So that's kind of the genesism
of how it started. And you know, once we were comfortable,
or I would say once they were comfortable, I mean,

(21:56):
I definitely want to be a person who's a part
of the NFL and the capacity. But of course it
was it the ball was in their court whether or
not they would want me on board, and uh, they
thought it was a good idea for myself to be
a part of the franchise. So we started down this path.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well it's thrilling stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
And from from your perspective, you know, well, well you said,
you know, you you wanted to make sure that that
they wanted to bring you in. But from your perspective,
what were you looking for in an ownership group, in
a team when when you when you're talking to Larry
Fitz and you're getting this thing moving a little bit,
what were you looking for and what did the Haslm
family have that you identified with and say this is

(22:35):
the type of organization I want to be a part of.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
I think when I when I really sat back and
thought about it, it was really the connection with of
course me being from Freeland, Ohio, and the Browns, of
course being right there in Cleveland, not not very far
from where I grew up. And I thought that, you know,
being a guy who grew up there and watched the
Browns as a young kid, thinking about the history there

(23:02):
with the Browns. You know, two names always popping into
my head anytime I think about the Browns, and that's
Samford Dixon and Frank Minifield. I grew up, you know,
watching those guys that you know at the corner, the
cornerstone of the franchise, if you will, And I just
remember all of the tough games, the heartbreaks with the Browns,
and so it brought back a lot of memories to me,
and I thought, man, you know what that really does

(23:24):
tell the story I think of myself in this partnership
with the Browns, and so it just to me, it
just it made more and more sense the more that
I thought about it.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Did you feel like now was a great time for
a very decorated Michigan man like yourself to return to
Ohio knowing that Michigan's won four straight. But but the
fact that Ohio State won the national title this year,
maybe they're not gonna be quite as salty about it.
But Michigan and Ohio State won the last two national
championships and this is the time you choose to come back.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Did that have anything to do with it? I'm obviously, I'm.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
Kidding now, you know, I don't. I don't want to
rub in or anything we have had. We have had
some success against those guys, but uh no, I think
in terms of the excitement, it's just the excitement around
the organization. Of course, you know, every team is going
to be excited, you know, coming off of the draft.
But I think the Browns, you know, we feel pretty

(24:18):
good about the guys that they brought in, trying to
build that depth within the team structure and trying to
make sure that they're competitive, you know, throughout the entire season.
So I'm just looking forward to to the upside of
the guys that we brought in. And then, of course,
you know the team that was already there beforehand.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Was there something about being involved with a storied franchise
as well? I mean, you think about just your whole
prof whole profile. Michigan a storied college franchise. Then you
come to the NFL and you're with the Raiders and
the Packers, two of the most storied franchises in the
history of this sport. To be with the Browns one
of those kind of you know you think of original franchises.

(24:58):
Was that Is there something about being kind of on that.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Level for you?

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Did that factor into it as well as obviously being
in your home state of Ohio.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah, you know, I sat back and thought about that too,
and I thought, man, I have to be, you know,
one of the luckiest people in the world to be
associated and to have played for the organizations and the
historical or organizations or college teams that I have, as
you mentioned, Michigan, Green Bay, and the Oakland Raiders, now

(25:27):
the Las Vegas Raiders, and now here comes to Browns
and so I don't know if there's you know, any
other player that's you know, been a part of, played
for and of course ownership wise, that's been a part
of that type of lineage when it comes to two teams.
So man, I, you know, I'm just so fortunate, man,
and so blessed that it's hard to you know, kind

(25:49):
of put it into words. You know, my journey, you know,
from a child from Freemant, Ohio to get to this
point to be, you know, part of the ownership group
with the Cleveland brown So I'm and like I said,
I don't even know how. Sometimes I don't have to
pinch myself, man, because it just doesn't feel real.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, it's interesting as you're talking there, Charles, you think
about you know, when you all won the national championship
at Michigan, had been a long time and it was
something that you know, Bow knocked on the door forever
and then you guys knocked that door down and won
that national championship. But it had been a long time,
and you know what that's like. And one thing we
tell our players. We always get to talk to the
rookies when they first come in here and we say
this about the Browns, like it's probably very similar in

(26:28):
Green Bay, that this is very much a big college.
I mean that as a compliment in terms of the
whole city shuts down on Sunday at one o'clock. Much
like if you're in ann Arbor, you're around Detroit at
noon on a Saturday, you're going to the big House
like that's what everybody does, and there is a very
collegial feel to it. And I do wonder when you
think about those parallels. All you've done every place you've

(26:50):
been is win. What is the common denominator that you've
found in your life between your participation and winning and
the teams that do win?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
What do they do?

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Yeah? I think, you know, first of all, you got
to have great leadership. You know, I feel like the
places of course that I've been and we've had success
and we've won, you know, we had great leadership.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
You know.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
In college playing for Lloyd carr Man, he offered up
tough love, you know what I mean, to the players.
So there was no easy road, you know, in terms
of you know, getting in his good graces and so
he got the best out of us. And then from there,
you got to have the players on the team that
buy into won your head coach. You got to buy

(27:34):
into the guys who are who are really truly teaching
the players. You know, I always say, man, it's really
about the assistant coaches in my opinion, that really have
the hands on job of developing the players. And if
you got those guys who are great teachers of the game,
not just putting plays on the board and going through plays,
but somebody that can actually teach you the game, really

(27:57):
break down the scheme or whatever you're running, and then
allowing those guys to really truly buy into what you're doing. Uh,
then guys go out there and they play with confidence
now and then from there, you got to have the talent.
You got to have talented guys on your roster if
you're going to get to the next level. I mean,
you can have a good team and buy in and
you can get to the playoffs, so you can get

(28:18):
to the you know, the conference championship or whatever. But
when it when it turns, when it comes to getting
over that hump, you got to have the right players
in there, uh to to to you know, get into
those big games that the guys who know how to
make the big plays and know where to be on
assignment and doing their job. And if you can have

(28:39):
those those those three things going for you, that's when
you win. So I know that's what the coach and
you know, Andrew Barry and those guys are trying to
build up there, trying to trying to build this roster
with talented players. You've got good coaches definitely coaching them
with the fan skiff course, and then you know me
with with Dec and Jim schwartz Man. You know, he's

(29:02):
one of the best in the game. So you got
good guys that are that are coaching the players. So
that's what it's going to take. Now, you just got
to buy in man and build that roster man today
you can get where you need to go.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Talking with Brown's new Browns Limited partner Charles Woodson NFL
Hall of Famer, Charles, what is this going to look like?
Or what do you want this to look like? How
involved do you want to be? Are you going to
be Are people going to see you out of training camp?
Are gonna people see you maybe at some of the games.
Are you going to speak to this kind of how
do you envision or how do you hope? You know,
this involvement goes not just from being the limited partner,

(29:35):
but then you know day to day or week to week,
you know, with the team with this organization.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Yeah, you know, I'll be around as much as I
can be. You know, we'll try to work out this
schedule with this, uh, you know, with the summer coming
up and you know, all of the training camps, ots
or whatever. Try to figure out a time when I
can get up there. You know, I'd love to get
up there and just you know, see the team, you know,
talk to the guys and that sort of thing. But
this is you know, it's a conversation. You know that

(30:04):
we're that I think it will be an ongoing conversation
in terms of, you know, my role and how involved.
And you know, the way I look at it is
I'm always respectful of the people who have been there,
been there, and who have done it for the amount
of times that have done it, you know, whether that
be the coaches or the guys in you know, in
the in the administrative level or whatever, that this is

(30:25):
what they do. And so you know, I'm just coming in,
you know, initially to just kind of be a sounding
board and anything, you know, questions that they ask of
me in terms of, you know, similar to the question
you have, you know, how do how do you win
a championship? You know, how do you build that team?
You know, I can give them my insights of what
I feel work, and then I think we're just kind

(30:46):
of grow it into you know, ultimately what what it
will be. You know, in the long run. So I'm
just you know, I'm opening, you know, and excited, you know,
just for the opportunity to actually be on that on
this side of it. You know, when I think back
to my younger days and playing man for us, it
was taboo if if you talk to the people upstairs,

(31:07):
you know, we didn't trust you, you know what I'm saying.
So now I'm on the other side of that, and uh,
you know, I don't want I don't want those guys
to look at me like I used to look at
the guys you know, on the on the upper level
of the facility. So just looking forward to this, to
this uh, this process, and just growing into whatever role
you know it may be in the long run, Charles.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
One thing that uh, well, Nathan, I will ask your permission.
One thing we'd like to do when you are in
town is we'd like to uh pay proper homage and
respect to you by wearing ascots.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Is that okay? Is that all right?

Speaker 7 (31:43):
Hey man? Man? And you got my heart right there.
You know what I'm say. You were to ask God
when I see you, and you have to ask, got on,
I know exactly who I'm talking to.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's it. All right.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
When you're in the building, ascots will be worn on
the little notice, little heads up and ascots will be ready.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yes, man, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Asks baby, Hey man, it is It is so cool
to have you on board. It's a real thrill for
all of us here and welcome aboard. And we're all
thrilled to see where this all goes.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
And I appreciate you guys have me on man, and
look forward to meet you guys in first Yes.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
There it is the great Charles Woodson, NFL Hall of Famer,
one of the five coolest Ohioans of all time, and
a new limited partner of your Cleveland Browns. We will
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Speaker 3 (33:19):
Your Hot Topics of Theday presented by University Hospitals, official
healthcare partner of your Cleveland Browns. Sad news in the
NFL last night. Colts owner Jim Rsey passed away peacefully
in his sleep yesterday, just sixty five years of age.
He was named the youngest general manager in team history
in nineteen eighty four when the Colts arrived in Indianapolis.
I was unaware of that. He took ownership of the
team in nineteen ninety seven, led the Colts to a

(33:41):
Super Bowl championship in two thousand and seven. Over fifty
years working in the NFL. The sixty five is crazy young. Obviously,
he's had some health issues and various things through the years.
The thing that the two things that I think of
with him, there's three things really that jump out to me,
and I think he deserves a great deal of credit

(34:01):
for in all three of these areas. Number One, what
has happened in Indianapolis Now, A lot of that's Peyton
Manning and they landed Peyton Manning, but they took an
aging building and built a state of the art dome
that allowed a Midwestern city to host a Super Bowl
and countless Final fours and National Championship games and Big
Ten championship games and all of it. And it's not

(34:22):
just that it've been to Indy as I've been a lot,
and included last year for youth sports. When you go
out to their training facility and you've been there because
we were there when we did the joint practices, it
is it's a long ways out, it's pat north of Carmel.
But when you get out there and you see perfectly
manicured grass fields for little kids play youth sports on
for as far as I can see, it's amazing. That's
a pretty damn good job. So that impact that the

(34:45):
NFL and Jim Mersey had on Indianapolis is pretty pretty extreme.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
You knew he was kind of always in some ways
kind of like the wild man owner. He would tweet
things and all of this, and I think what's very cool.
And McAfee's talked a great deal about him in the
last few hours to yesterday when the news came down,
and now you're hearing so many stories sounds like Jim
irsay was one of the kindest and most generous people
in the world and would do things with one caveat

(35:14):
for people, and that was that they never made it
public that he did that for them, and paid for
funerals of people and birthdays, and it just was constantly
trying to help people out that either worked for him
or in the Indianapolis are any of it, And he
sounds like just an incredibly generous.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
And great guy.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
We know he was, you know, probably the all time
tweeter as an owner of an NFL team.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
He was an owner of any sports franchise quite frankly.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, it's sad sixty five, that is, and you know
that given his situation, this is a person who has
the means to the best medical care around.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
So that's very young and very very sad.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, it is two other things that I think of
with him. Number One, I'm pretty sure he was the
first owner to speak up against Dan Snyder and say
you us sell that team. I'm pretty sure he was
the first to do that. And the other thing that
I know is how much of an advocate he has
been for mental health. That's been something that's been near
dear to his heart, and he's been one of the
leaders in that and speaking about it and taking it

(36:16):
from something that I think his generation probably felt was
taboo and making it something front and center. So a
really incredible impact for him. Over there three daughters that
will now have the control of the Colts with with
his untimely passing just sixty five.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
God, that's young man.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
A couple of things around the league. The US and
the Steelers boast reached down to the States about a
potential trade involving Chris o'lave earlier this offseason, but back
the way after New Orleans showed an unwillingness to part
with the all I bet they would if somebody says, yeah,
we're not trading him, then you can't.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Could have been as easy as hey, any interest in trade?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
No, Okay, Albert Breer with the reporting on that, Yeah,
I'm I mean I saw that.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't understand why the Saints would trade him.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
They wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
They just drafted him. Why would you trade him?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
It doesn't make sense unless yeah that that that one
did make a whole lot of sense to me. Did
you watch I mean the weather was by the way,
did you get your golf.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
In all that we did. Yeah, it was, it was good.
It was an epic match.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Give me is very happening.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
What do you mean you lost lost on the nineteenth hole.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
We lost on the nineteenth hole. We were too undergross
for nineteen holes and lost. Wow, guy with a high handicap,
gil Boy was more like gil Man on this.

Speaker 8 (37:40):
Crushed it, crushed it in all fairness, a lot of bars.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Never heard of a league where you any played donlay
from the play from the same tis That drives me nuts.
It's just that's those are the rules. They don't blame
them for That's how it is. But like we all
have to play same tees. I think you're gonna play
for the whites. We'll all play for the whites, or
we'll all play for the blues.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So rather than the handicap, they do the tea.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
It's still handicapped, but you only give up a couple
of shots to go from the blues of the whites.
But it's worth way more than a couple shots.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Do you think do you think that's the case at
every club or do you think it's most especially I.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Never encountered this before, like it Beachmont when you played
in events.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Yeah, everybody played safety.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Okay, so what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
These were gentlemen who were a little older, correct, and
one of them was so they both got to play.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Three of us played from the blues and one from
the whites.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And my guy from the right from the white was the.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Big Buckeyes fan and he was very he was formidable. Man,
he's from thirty nine on the front.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
That's getting after it.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah. Yeah, we were really ahead the whole time. And
two of the last three holes he stroked on alone
and went part or he made he went on two
of the last four holes. I'm sorry he went birdie
for net eagle to beat a natural birdy of mine. Yeah,
and then Sims made a five for four, and then
on eighteen with the match on the line, he had

(38:58):
to make a four for three and he did and
I parted. And that was that.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Wow, rolls and they want and you were able to
stay relatively dry. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
It rained really hard for about thirty minutes and that
was it. Right away or towards the end, after the
on the third hole we had we had bootsy was
it was very frustrating.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
I'm still very frustrated.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You don't say it. I can't tell you, I can't tell,
I can't tell very he's very happy about it. That's
the happiest season, Sims like.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Dude, we totally blew him, Like Simsy, we played the
we had a lead, we're two up. It's got cold.
Look at him shaking hands, sneakers, the coat. So those
are jeans the first I had a jean jean.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
It's a jean with a gorgeous blueberry blue blazer.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Like we were up to after fourteen and played the
final four holes gross one under.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah and lost. Yeah, great job out of them. What
are you going to do? You had a whole lot
you can do.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
No, we had We all got to play the same
ties though we played that my crusade. If you want
to have you can break it down. Have a flight
where everybody plays from the whites, and then have a
flight where everybody plays from the blues.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Yeah, and sign up. You want to play from the whites,
sign up for this flight.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Especial because a lot of these guys not in this case,
but there are people in these tournaments who play from
the Blues and their normal games when they play with
their friends and then because their age allows them in
the tournaments, they get to play from.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
The whites, they go do that. I gotta tell you something,
and if it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I think you should do instead of doing it the age,
I think it should be handicap. Your handicap is where
you play from, because everybody.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
To play from the same I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I can't get there with you. You play more than me.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
But I thought it's a different goal.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
That's fine, that's fine. That can be your view. That's fine.
It's a fine view I do. I'm not disputing it.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I'm just saying that the idea that the problem that
I have, and I'm on your side on this is
the age part of it, because there are plenty of guys.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Now, what's the age where you can go up?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
I think it's like fifty five, could be six. Okay,
I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
We're in better shape longer than we've ever been, and
the equipment advantages are bigger than they've ever been. The
ball advantage is bigger than it's ever been. That all
of it does, is it It takes a guy. It'll
levels the playing field. So I would much rather have
you play tea boxes based on your handicap versus your age,
because if you're fifty six, once you can play up

(41:12):
at fifty six, you could probably still be in peak
shape and probably still hit. There's probably a ton of
guys that have been fifty, so you cant to eighty
I mean easy. I mean there's a lot of great
players who are that age for sure. So I don't
to me, that's the problem is the age.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Unless it's like after seventy or something, that's crazy. And
I don't know if you know this or not. You
may so I'm probably not. So if somebody is let's
call him a thirteen, we'll say you're a thirteen index, Okay,
you would be, we'll call it. Well, this is just
for the sake of arguments. You might be a thirteen
from the whites, would be your course handicap from the whites, okay,

(41:49):
But then if you move back to the blues, you're
probably a seventeen. So it's your handicap, isn't just It's
not like I.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Get But isn't all aren't all handicaps measured from the
same spot.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
No, Well, if you're all from the same teas, yeah,
I mean, do that exactly so that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying just because this guy's at thirteen, the handicap
changes based on the tee.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Sure your number actually changes.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Now here's the part that's interesting is let's say right now,
I'm a four from the Blues. From the Whites, I'm
a two, so I lose fifty percent of my handicap.
But when I give them two shots to go up there, yeah,
I've been hit all four par fives and two. It's
worth four shots to me. Yeah, So it doesn't make
any sense. They are only losing twenty five percent their
handicap to move up. Yeah, So it's not equitable. That's
why you just have to play the same course. So

(42:37):
like if you want to play from the whites, wall,
play the whites and everybody's handicap adjusts your handicaps and more.
Your index then applies to the rating and the slope
that factors in, which are different for every te Yeah,
and that changes it. The only way that's equitable is
everybody's playing from the same tea.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
There's I mean, here's the deal though, Like everybody playing
from the same tea, Like what size handicap, Like what
is the point where it's hard for you to beat
a high handicap, good decent player, Like what's the number
are what's the hardest number player for you to be
competitive that you're like, ah, they might get me.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
One on one, Yes, one on one, and two man's
a totally different game, right, So in one on one,
probably somebody who's like a really good like nine or ten,
because it's.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
The toughest for you to play game because you've gotta
give them holes and they they're still good enough.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
That you're still gonna gonna get like shots on a
third of the golf course, which is basically almost half
of the par fours and fives, and they're good golfers.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, so those those are the hardest. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
But in a two man, when you're playing somebody at
this level, a high level like that, Like in a
two man, all you're asking the high handicapper to do, Like,
if the high handicapper makes six pars.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
You're usually winning.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, that's a lock, yeah because those count as birdies.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Sure. Yeah, if you have.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
A guy who makes on his individual struggles he had
four where he stroked alone, if he pars all four
of those and then adds in two natural birdies on
that it's tough. We played really well.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I don't I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I don't know what the I think in a two
man game, handicaps should be sixty seven percent, should be
two thirds. I also think there's a world in which
a handicaps should just be half a shot. So if
I beat you, I beat you. If we tie, you win.
But I'm looking at through my lens. Yeah, you're giving stroke.
You're the one who's giving it. Yeah, But in a

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two man sixty seven percent makes a little bit more
sense to me because in a one on one it
should be full. And in a one on one, even
if he did that the six pars and the whatever, yeah,
one on one, I'd probably still beat him because he's
gonna just give me a handful of holes where he
makes doubles.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, right, because then you got to play every stroke.
It's different than if you're if you're bouncing off somebody. Yeah,
it's interesting. I mean, the whole thing is viewed, the
idea being so that everybody can play against everybody, but
there's it's also a pretty subjective situation.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
And then you have you know, you'll just gonna play
same teeth. That's different things.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Yeah, he'd get strokes on form me.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
But even that, those aren't always genuine. I mean you
see people who sprint to go say oh I'm on
a card of ninety two, this will be lovely, and
then you play events all summer off based off of that,
and all of a sudden, so there's no.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
They have no perfect that a little bit so that
it's it's it's out of twenty scores, your lowest eight
are that twenty are the ones that count for your handicap.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Your lowest state, low estate.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Darren, I don't understand why golf leagues don't just have
divisions and play straight up. It's because there's not enough
golfers to fill the higher divisions you still have.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I think there's enough I higher, He means lower, I
would guess.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, to fill the lower Yeah, yeah, I think he
means like there's not enough great golfers. Yeah, there there are.
There are, There are for sure. And the problem though,
is like you're a two, and if you're so, then
who would be in your group?

Speaker 5 (45:53):
There's plenty of people.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
But even if you're you, But I mean, to what
number is in your group.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Eight would be the max. I would say.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Eight's and eight and under, and oh you don't give
a stroke to anybody?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
No, I would. You still would give strokes, but it's
only a couple, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, Like.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Although in a two man.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Though, if you get to the most dangerous two man
team is if you put like me with like a seven,
like this guy a sixteen or seventeen, who can.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Like who can get make a lot of bars? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Impossible.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Me and Doug Bloom, Ohio State legend once beat somebody
ten and eighth.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
We won the first ten.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Holes, yeah, because he was in eighteen and I was
a zero time, so we stroked down every hole in
between me and him. We made like I made a
few birdies and he made a bunch of bars.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And it was like good enough. Yeah, that'll do it.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
But I like it better when it's tight, a tighter dispersion.
I think if you did zero to eight, nine to eighteen,
and then nineteen plus, those are the flights, and you
could have the nineteen plus flights play from the whites,
I think you'd be good. But these foots should play
from the blues.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I would just only Amendment I would, I wouldn't have
to go all the way to eighteen. Would maybe go nine.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
To eighteen's are still a bogie golfer?

Speaker 5 (47:03):
That's that's all.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, it's all right.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
You have you're you're a golfer.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, all right. The parade of stars continue, Oh baby.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
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Speaker 3 (47:51):
Now super Bowl winning quarterback and NFL Hall of Famer
Kurt Warner joining us, of course of the NFL Network,
and he joins us on the Twisted Tea Hotline. Kurt
thank you so much for taking the time. Let's dive
in with something you are very very passionate about, and
that is young quarterbacks. We've got two of them. We
got Dylan Gabriel, We've got shoot Or Sanders. Both looked
really good at mini camp. If you were at our
mini camp, what would you be looking for from each

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of them to lead you to believe or to know
that this is going well.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Well.

Speaker 9 (48:19):
I mean, I think when you look at both of
these young guys, you say to yourself, neither one is
going to be able to live in the athletic world
at the NFL level. In other words, you know, running
around being a playmaker, trying to create with their legs.
These guys are both going to if they're going to
excel at the NFL level, they're going to excel inside

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the pocket. And so what I'm looking for is not
only the delivery of the football, because both of these
guys have shown that they've got the ability to do that.
I'm looking for decision making. I'm looking for the ability
to process information and see all the different things that
they need to see, whether it's coverage, rotation, whether it's
press understanding how to get the ball out in those situations,

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get the ball out quick and get it to their playmakers.
So that to me is, you know, is I think
primary with these two guys, you know, and ultimately how
this thing all shakes out will be you know, based
on on that. You know, and you can go beyond
that and look at Kenny and you know, obviously we
know Joe is Joe, but then go to Kenny. Kenny's

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gonna play the same sort of way. And so that
to me is what's going to be the breakdown here
is who's the best pocket passer in terms of this
decision making, processing and then delivering the football where it
needs to go.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Kurt Nathan Sigura here.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
We'll talk about the rookies in a second, but talking
about Kenny Pickett, I thought it was kind of interesting
when he left Pittsburgh that Arthur Smith's offense, or at
least what it asked of a quarterback, seemed to me
to be probably a good fit for him. We never
saw him in that, We'll see him in something similar
here with Kevin Stefanski. Do you think the things that
Kenny Pickett does well will be exc situated by this

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offense and vice versa.

Speaker 9 (50:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think it could be. I kind
of look at quarterbacks in a couple of different should
probably say, three different rounds. Obviously, you've got the guys
like the Lamar Jackson's and Josh Allen's and guys that
you know can be kind of the run pass dual
threat type guys. And then when you get to more
of the dropback passers, you know, there's there's guys that

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are really good at the dropback game, you know, spread
the field out, make decisions, see the entire field, deal
to football. And then there's other guys that you know
are going to be better when you limit things conceptually
and and you know, you limit the number of receivers
that are out and you know, more play action where
it's more defined for you, you know, on a down

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to down basis. And I think you know, when you
look at Kenny, I think that's kind of the mold
that you know that he needs to be in at
this time in his career. I've never seen him, you know,
really be able to be that guy that can drop
back thirty five forty times and just deal the football.
And so knowing what co Stefanski wants to do, and
he's going to take a little more of the rains

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this year. I mean, you know, he's always been a
guy that likes to get into the run heavy formations
and live and run and play action. You know that limits,
you know, the five out, four out spread the field,
you know, see everything tight type decision making for a quarterback.
And so I definitely feel like that that plays into,

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you know, what Kenny would be good at right now,
and it simplifies things for him, you know, where he
can go in and be more of a complimentary piece
than having to be the integral piece to a pass offense.
And so I think that bodes really really well for him.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Kurt, when you talk about quarterbacks and quarterback play and
you find guys, let's say, in this third bucket, which
is what you know you Kevin Sancy wants an operator
his offense, much like Kyle Shanahan wants that and has
that with Brock Purdy right now in San Francisco, who's
an incredibly talented player. When you have something like that,
how difficult is it for guys like let's say Dylan

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Gabriel or Shador Sanders who basically have been in shotgun
have not done some of that. Back to the defense
hard play action or certainly not as much as you know,
guys who are very proficient in this offense or style
of offense. How hard does that transition? And what is
the most important thing for a quarterback from your pre
snap mental picture to when you snap your head back

(52:32):
around and to be able to execute these things on
time and in rhythm.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
Well, you know, there's a couple of different elements to that,
you know, and it really comes down to what you're
asking them to do with the play action. Is it
a quick play action gets your head turned and get
the ball out quickly, or is it a longer play
action where you have plenty of time to get your

(52:59):
head turned see what is trying to transpire attacking more
down the field. And I don't think you know, I mean, obviously,
you know, taking snaps under center, I mean, I don't
know that's football one on one to me, But it's
not for everybody. I know. Now you know, so so
getting comfortable with that sort of stuff. But you know,

(53:19):
I mean, let's also think about in shotgun snaps. I mean,
the one thing that every time you have a shotgun snap,
you have to take your eyes off the defense, you know,
similar to if you're gonna run a play action, you're
gonna be able to see the defense, and then all
of a sudden, you're not gonna see the defense as
you make your play bait and you're gonna have to
find the defense again. So in shotgun you have to
do that every snap, even though it may not be

(53:41):
quite as prolonged, it's part of what you have to do.
And you know, and again you know Costefanski and what
he's been in the past has been more of that
down the field, try to get the chunk throws off
of the play action. And so I don't think it's
as you know, quick play action, you know, set your
fee to get your ball out, you know, or see

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the linebacker and get the ball up over the top.

Speaker 7 (54:04):
Of the line.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
It's not as much of that, not that they're not
going to have that. That's always going to be an element,
but what they really want to do is run the
ball and then get those second level chunk throws. Which
is it quite as quick developing, you know, or force
a quarterback to have to you know, turn process and
see everything quick. There's not as much of a timing

(54:25):
element to some of those things that you know, that
would present, you know, more of a challenge.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I guess, Kurt, when these guys are making this move
from from college football to the National Football League, there's
so many adjustments and elevators of your game that are required,
the speed and all of that. But one thing that's
jumped out to me, and there's been a lot of
these examples of this and the lead up to the
draft and then after the draft, is so many of
these guys playing quarterback in college come out and Kurt,
they look at the sideline, they decipher something off of

(54:53):
a sign, they go right to the line of scrimmage,
they clap, and then they go and so now all
of a sudden they're having to sp out this verbage.
Then they're gonna have audibles off of that verbage. Let
alone all of the complexities of the offense, the mental
part of it has got to be as big a
hurdle as any. When when you talk to these young guys,
what piece of advice do you give about that side
of the.

Speaker 9 (55:13):
Game, you know, I mean, you know, the unfortunate thing
is I don't get to talk to a lot of them.
You know, I make myself available, but I never, you know,
get a chance to really get in a room and
dive into tape with most of these guys. But you know, again,
that to me is you know, the least of it.
When we're talking about learning how to call a play, like,

(55:36):
you know, that's something you can do in your dorm
room at night, is practice the plays. But I think
the biggest thing for me when it comes to spitting
out verbage and plays is you have to get so
comfortable with your offense that that stuff becomes second nature.
And you know, we used to always talk about, you know,
it's like learning another language. So if you've ever learned

(55:56):
another language, in the early stages of learning that language,
you know, you'll learn a word in Spanish and the
first thing that happens is you have to translate it
back to English. And that's kind of the way it
works when you're learning, you know, a new offense is
you're like, oh, this protection was this protection when I
was at Colorado or when I was at Oregon, and

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you have to translate it. You know, to be able
to be at your best, you've got to get to
the point where when you hear a word, it just
automatically translates to you know what it is, or you
understand it in that other language, and then you start
to visualize these plays. And so when a coach gives
you a call, you're not just trying to go, okay,

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what did he say? You're going, oh, I know that play.
You know, strip's right, skat right, whatever, you know, and
it just comes off your tongue because you see it,
you mentally see it in your mind, and that to
me is the key. And it takes time obviously to
get there. You're not gonna expect a guy in rookie
minicamp to get there, but that's the whole key. Stud

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So to me, it's more about time, memorization, understanding. And
so when the coach says trips in your mind right away, oh,
I visually see trips. When he says a certain protection,
Oh I know, that's you know, where the back's going
and where the offensive like, that's what you have to
get tough. So that's going to take time. I don't
worry about most of these guys getting to that point.

(57:21):
But you know, again, the question becomes, especially when you're
in a you know, in a quarterback battle, is the
sooner and quicker you can get to that comfortable spot
within an offense. The more you can just react and
play football, the more you're thinking and translating, the harder
that's going to be. And so it could come quicker
for one of these guys than you know, somebody else,

(57:44):
and that could give them a huge advantage in the
early stages of the competition, Kurt.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
That comes from obviously a lot of study, a lot
of time, a lot of dedication off the field. On
the field, you get better through reps, and yes, you
can get mental reps if it's not your rep. But
the Browns have four guys. They've got Picket, they've got Flacka,
they've got Gabriel, they've got your door, Sanders, how would
you if this was your quarterback room? How would you

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go about divvying up reps to make this in some
ways a fair competition because I kind of think it is.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
Yeah, I mean I think it's very It should be
a very fair because none of these guys outside of
Joe have really approved themselves at this level. So I
don't think any of them really go in, you know
with this. Oh you know, I'm getting the nod right
now over another guy because you know, because of what
I've done and what I've accomplished. I only any of

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them are like that. And so you know, for me,
in the competition, obviously, you got to get your starter ready.
I don't know if they know who their starter is.
I mean, I hear a lot of people say Joe's
going to be the starter to start the season. I
don't know if that's what they're thinking or whatever, but
you got to get your starter ready. But then beyond that,
I think there are plenty of reps in training camp

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and you can find ways, you know, to instead of
now having one seven on seven, having two seven on sevens,
and you can mix these guys in and you know,
for me, you know, one of the biggest things we
always used to say in training camp is the hardest
thing when it's a competition is if one guy always
goes with the threes and the other guys going with

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the twos or the ones, you have more guys that
understand what they're doing, and so it's it's a harder
competition to go, Okay, we got all these young guys
going with this other young quarterback and we're trying to
get a gauge on who they are. So I think
to mix those reps up and to make sure that
they're going and getting quality reps with guys that understands
what they're doing, you know, that play at the right

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speed and make the right adjustments, and that's the best
way to be able to you know, to let this
thing play out. And so you know, I have a
feeling that's what they're going to do, is they're going
to give all three of those guys. They're going to
mix them up on a day to day basis and
say show me, you know, to me, it would be
like even if you're at the number three and you
have a really good practice one day, it'd be like

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next day, I'm putting you up to the number, you know,
two spot, and I'm going to see how you react there.
And I'm going to see how the other guy reacts
when he drops to number three. How does that affect him?
And so you want to see that kind of mental
part of it, you know, beyond the mental of reading, defenses, delivering.
You want to see how they handle the competition, how
they handle the pressure, how they handle it when they
move up and down, you know, when they're having success

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or when they're struggling a little bit. And I think
those are the different things that you try to use
training camp the best you can to figure out some
of those nuances, because none of these guys will really
probably be in a regular season game before before they
can make those decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
When it comes to the rookies. Dylan, Gabriel, Schador, Sanders Kurt.
What are a couple of things or a thing that
you saw on tape with those two that that tells
you or gives you an idea of how they will
be successful or why they will be successful at this level.

Speaker 9 (01:01:03):
Yeah, let's start with Dylan. You know, good football player.
You know, everywhere he went he had success. He's a
guy that, uh, you know, delivers the football quickly, which
is something uh that that I really like is the
ability to see it and get it out, you know,
very quickly to his playmakers. You know, I thought when

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he was at the combine, you know, being a smaller guy,
you kind of want to see the pace of the
football coming off of his hand. When we went to
the combine, I thought of the guys that threw, he
had the best pace on the football from like zero
to twenty five of all the guys. So so I
don't really worry about you know, that part of the
arm strength and getting the ball out quick. I thought

(01:01:44):
the ball got away from him a little bit more
down the field, and so that'd be something that you know,
I'll be paying attention to when when I see him play.
It's just the control of the football, you know, down
the field and when he's really got to you know,
push it, you know, being a smaller guy on the
other side, which she dor. I mean, I think he
was the most accurate quarterback coming out.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
Of this draft.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
Like when he set his feet and was confident in
what he was seeing or confident and the guys up
in front of him, he delivered the football very, very accurately.
And I love that he both of these guys, but
I love that Shedor throws a very catchable ball. A
lot of people look at that and go, oh my gosh,
I'm not sure he's got the arm strength.

Speaker 7 (01:02:23):
That he needs.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Well, you know, to me, it's about you know, getting
it where you need to get it as soft as
you possibly can before the defense gets there. And you know,
it wasn't a guy that threw a lot of interceptions
or put the ball in harm's way a lot, even
though there were times that you thought oh, maybe throw
that a little bit harder. I think there is a
beauty in an art form to understanding how to make

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different throws and not having to ever overthrow the football.
I thought Shador did that really really well in college.
Now the biggest thing for me is there was times
that he wasn't comfortable in the pocket. His feet were
moving all over. You know, he wasn't standing in and
making the quick read and he was looking to get
out of the pocket. Now is that because you know,

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that's a part of his game, or is that because
the offensive line there struggled the last couple of years
and you know, and he got a false sense of insecurity.
I would say, you know, where he wasn't quite sure
and you know, he felt like there was going to
be pressure even when there wasn't. So that's kind of
the piece that I'm looking for at this next level.

(01:03:25):
Is you know, does he have that piece? Is he
more confident in the pocket because of the guys in
front of him? Otherwise I think he's got to, you know,
get a little bit better at you know, feeling confident,
knowing what he's seeing and getting the ball out quick.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Kurt always appreciate the conversation. Thanks for making us smarter.
We appreciate you greatly. Thanks for your time today, sir.

Speaker 9 (01:03:46):
You got it my pleasure.

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news in the football world. This from the college football world.
The powers that be have voted and the college football
Playoff in twenty twenty five will be seeded one through

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twelve in order. So last year, for example, yet Arizona State,
Boise State get buys. Those days are done, so they'll
just go one through twelve, top four getting buys. So
that's where they're headed for the final year, and then
they'll go to sixteen teams probably by twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah, so that's where that goes. So the weather sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
And in large part because of that, we got home
from the lacrosse last night, which we were soaking wet
and freezing, and I thought, well, you know what, I'm
gonna watch a little hoop I haven't haven't done. So now,
some of it was nostalgia, and it was a little
bit of Knicks, Pacers and Reggie Miller and all of
the things that I thought of. But the one thing
that you have to rememberbout nostalgia is you remember it

(01:05:55):
the way that it was in your head. And it's
worth remembering that those series between the Nicks and the Pacers,
while competitive, was awful basketball, Yeah, largely awful. This was
not This was not that last night. This was far
from it. I could not stop watching the fact anytime
they went to the one end that LD was sitting
next to David Zaslov, who was sitting next to John Ham,
and Susie was right last told the four of them together.

(01:06:19):
Anytime the NIXT did anything good or bad, I just
looked right at LD to see how he would respond.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
LD was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I mean that, I could not shake that they were
all there like that's a curb episode. Susie Larry, the
president of HBO, and John Ham.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
It's incredible. It's an incredible group. There's no doubt about it.
It was a real powerhouse lineup right there. I think
it should have been a curb episode. I think it
would be a fitting curb episode, all right. Couple of
things thing number one, because there are a great many
things to digest from this. Since nineteen ninety six, teams

(01:06:58):
that have trailed by seven in the final fifty seconds
of the fourth quarter overtime in the playoffs are four
and seventeen oh two. The twenty twenty five Indiana Pacers
have three of those wins.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Jeez, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
So everybody other than the twenty twenty five Pacers are
one and seventeen oh one thousand, seven hundred and two
in those situations they won three. They won one in
each series. So far. They did it the Bucks, they
did it to us, and now they're doing it to
the Knicks. Okay, that's that. There's another stat that I'm
looking for from the Pacers where it's that they what
they really did was is the first time ever.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
It's the one in like fourteen hundred, it's up by
fourteen or more and with just over two Oh, look
at Brock, young Brock's got it in there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Good Brock. Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
That was a great job out of him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
So he literally held it up and then he went
like this, I'm looking for it, and you're looking for it,
and he goes, it's right there, and sure it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Uh here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
The Knick set in ninety eight point eight percent chance
to win with one minute left. The record of team's
trailing by nine plus in the final minute the fourth
quarter or playoff game since nineteen ninety eight were oh
and one thousand, four hundred and fourteen. They were down
nine with fifty two seconds to go. This is as
much on the Knicks as it is the Pacers winning it.
The haphazard nature that they played the last couple of minutes.

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They actually got bailed out. Jalen Brunson threw it to nobody.
They were very lucky that it ended up in the
hands of I want to say, I can't remember who.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
It was, o Kenobi.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, it was a no yeah, and then he went
one for two. Wanted to to get That's why they lost. Yeah,
I mean they blew it a lot of different ways.
They played it so loosey goosey, but.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
The Pacers also just won it. I mean they went
in their last seven threes.

Speaker 7 (01:08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Smith did something that has never been done before.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
He scored twenty points in four minutes in the second
half of a playoff game.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Blah blah, blah blah blah, never been done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
What he said was three is coming in the last
five minutes, six or six. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
And then they hit their first one in overtime as well.
So here's the question I have for you, Steph Curry.
Can we agree Steph Curry is the best shooter ever? Okay,
if you ask Steph Curry, stand at the top of
the key.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
He doesn't even have to run back like Caliburton did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
How many shots does he have to take for him
to hit the back of the iron exactly like that?
So it goes that high in the air and comes
straight through the basket.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I think it's going to be lower because I think
he's so accurate that I think he would he might
know how to hit that spot to make it do
it because he's taken so many shots. But I still think,
as I say lower, I'm still thinking it would take
like one hundred attempts to get that to do it
that way, I think it's a one to one hundred
shot even for the best player of all the best
shooter v.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Just standing there, just let alone sprinting oh backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
It's an impossible thing for the for it to hit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I mean, as much basketball as you and I have
played in our lives, the amount of times that that happens,
it's less than a handful where it's a straight up
and then in I mean that almost never happens. Brock,
you played a lot of basketball, Like how many do
you even remember in games? There can't be that many.
I mean, it's such a rare occurrence.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
The other thing you have to think about is the
spin on the ball. Halliburton has a really awkward spin
on the ball versus Curries's and over ends, so that's
another thing to take into account.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
It's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, we saw the
weird Kauhai one, but even that one didn't go. That
was a run that was front of the rim though,
and it bounced like this high. And what was bad
this was this was above like shot clock height. Yeah, yeah, incredible.
Then he's doing the choke thing, which was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
I loved it too, loved it. But then it wasn't over.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
And then the Knicks still couldn't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
He would have looked like such a buffoon if they
don't win, but he did not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
And then get Reggie Hiller point.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
I love Reggie on the call of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
This big picture. This is what I think. I think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
You have a couple of things. The weather is garbage here.
The weather is garbage within five hundred miles of here,
and within five hundred miles of here is fifty percent
of the US population. Okay, so my guess is a
great many people watched last night like we did for
nostalgia purposes and for for something to do on a
cold day that normally isn't cold, right yep, And what

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you got treated to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Was an all timer, all timer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
So, as I said, I think I said this, I
said it on one of the shows earlier this week,
like this is a final four where there really isn't
anybody who roots for any of these teams other than
people from those towns. Well he's well, he's from Indiana.
But my point is is that now because of what
you delivered, now you have a chance for something that's rarer,

(01:11:34):
which is water cooler sports. Yep, yep, I will Now
I think it's going to be Hey, did you see that?
And now there's gonna be the Friday night. Friday night
in this part of the country is gonna be garbage again. Weatherwise,
I think they'll do a nice number. You're coming out
of the Western Conference Finals being down twenty four percent
year to year. Like nobody watched Oklahoma City, Minnesota on Tuesday,

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nobody did starting Animal. No, I don't think they are
a different animal I do at all. They're not only
people from New York here. They're not a ratings.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
There's how many Knick fans do you so you think
or you think? I mean the ras are out, aren't they?
Were they the same as the Western Conference or were
they better?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I don't think they're out yet. It was just last night.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
The Roe West ones are available today, so the East
ones will be available probably tomorrow morning.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
I think it'll be a higher number.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
But I think the weather's going to be a part
of it. And I think the fact that there's nostalgia
and then it delivered it gives you the chance to
get a little boost. But this, I mean, the Knicks
are not the Celtics. They're not anything in that vicinity.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
I don't know, my buddy, it's a d N manta.
But their second row, yeah, yeah, they were right at
the end of the especially got some TV time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
I was able to get a good video of them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
They're New Yorkers, but like it, you don't. I don't
know a single person who is not from New York,
who has family from New York whos a Knicks fan.
They're not a bandwagonable team.

Speaker 9 (01:12:45):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
I did love the way.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Alan Houston shot the basketball though.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Again, but they weren't your team. No adopted, No so
it was so they got a chance with this man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
It was fun. It was fun last year.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
You don't think the fact that it's New York and
they're just so many New Yorkers around the world that
that makes them a better draw than.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Better in Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
But I don't know that they're a better They're not
a better draw than the Cavaliers with Lebron. No, they're
not a better draw than the Dallas Mavericks with Luca.
They're not a better draw than Yannis with the Bucks.
I think they're better draw than OKC with SGA, and
a better draw because they're still so young. They're not
known yet. I mean, he won his first MVP, but
I don't know that he's not known the way Luca

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is known or the way Yiannis was.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
So, I mean, the the NBA is star driven, I don't.
I just don't think that there's a big bandwagon Knicks.
There's a lot of people from New York on, but
I just don't think that there's It's not like they're
people that are cel Like they're Celtic fans everywhere. There
aren't Nick fans everywhere or Lakers Celtics and they were
I mean the Bulls were banned and the Warriors. There's
Warriors fans everywhere now, I mean they they have that

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band wagon ability.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
All right.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Have we been doing that? I mean, Gibby's going to Italy.
The mail night is open.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
I just send a sweet out. The mail big is open, right,
I got one here from Darren bo. Did you establish
the first Friday idea as an incentive to cut down
on drinking. I'm trying to get sober, or at the
very least way cut down was always curse. If that's
what was behind the idea.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
No, in fact, the opposite, In fact, the opposite, Darren, No, No,
it was no, it was kind of I never liked
the idea of spelling Wednesday as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
I thought it was stupid. I didn't like the sound
of hump Day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
And I always thought, like, my favorite day of the
week was Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Maybe we should have two.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
And then I was looking for a reason to have
a good time on a Friday night when I was
in my twenties, and so I came up with First Friday.
And so we would do it, and the two television
stations in town, we would both it was down in Tallahassee.
We'd both kind of do It'd be a First Friday
miracle and you would act accordingly and have a cocktail,
enjoy yourself, and then the next day you just gotta

(01:15:59):
get the Thursday and you're done. This past First Friday
is and that's like one of the big ones. It's
not Thanksgiving First Friday, which is the ultimate First Friday,
but for most of you with that are smart. You're
probably off tomorrow thinking you're gonna be laking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Or pooling or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
You're not gonna be doing anything because it sucks. But
if it didn't suck, you'd be out in the sun
having some fun. And that's one of them. It's this week,
Labor Day, fourth of July into the Christmas holiday. Those
are the big first fridays that are unbelievable and of
course not better than Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
No, Hello, g man.

Speaker 8 (01:16:32):
By, Hey, don't worry, it's Bobby time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Hey Bobby, all right, here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Favorite golf club you've ever owned.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Favorite golf club that I've ever owned? There are two
that immediately come to mind, so let's after be the answer.
My first Big Bertha that I ever bought, that I
saved up all my money to buy, was obviously a
very special club for me. And then for a while
I had a copper ping I to sand Wedge that
I was just deadly with deadly ping I. Two's might

(01:17:12):
be the greatest clubs Grace Irons ever made.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
I certainly don't know the the abilities that you have
in the vicinity, nor would I be able to name
one club that I hit better than the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I'm a decent putter.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
But I did get a Mizuno blue sand wedge last summer.

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Oh yeah, I have all that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
I I look at them and I just think, God,
they're the most beautiful things.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
I bought the putter just because I was like, I
got to have it. That blue is so perfect, great,
it's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 10 (01:17:41):
All right, more from Bobby. I'm excited about this one.
What's the best prank you've ever pulled? We've done several
of these.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
I don't think I can.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
The best prank I ever pulled happened down in Naples, Florida.
But I don't think it's I don't think I can
share the story on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
If you don't think you can, my guess as you can.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
There's some good ones that I've done to the kids,
like I have done the I remember videoing Bootsy when
he was three or four and saying that Mom threw
all the candy away and he lost it. And he
goes and he goes, uh, he goes, go.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
What do you think we should do to Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
He goes punish her or never throw our candy away
again and Punisher and I have it on video like
like three or four years old.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Then't you also scared the people in your house?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
That was the all. Yeah, that was unbelievable. That was things.
That was Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
They had gone trick or treating, and unbeknownst to them,
I'd acquired a Jason from Halloween mask and they were
unpacking their.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Was it Michael Myers or Jason Oh no.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
No, Michael Myers. I'm sorry, yeah, Michael Myers, thank you, Yeah,
Mike Myers. Michael Myers. So they were in the four
year kind of unpacking their candy, and I went down
in the basement and I put on the mask, and
then I went out the walkout and went back around
and I just kind of lifted in the window right

(01:19:11):
outside the foyer, just my head and then I just
went and they I'll never forget their faces. Beamsy Beams
just went darted upstairs like a missile, Like a missile upstairs.
NBC just screamed and dropped to the ground. Bootsy just
started crying like crazy, ran into our room.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
My wife's like, what do you do? Like we were dying.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
She's like, it's dad, it's dad, it's dad.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
But it just killed them. It absolutely slayed him. So
I messed with them on a pretty regular basis.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
It's good, good survival instincts from Beamsy. Just got out
of a situation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
See you later. I've the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Man, I'm gone like a missile. I got one real
quick here from Justin Mancino. Is the Brown's ability to
rebuild off a down season hindered by the fact that
the e FC North, year in and year out, is
stacked with some of the best talently conferences. Yes, short answer,
yes nice. If we're in the AFC South, the NFC South, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
You know, tough.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
We talk about it all the time, and it you
know you this was the you think of the head
space you're in at the acquisition of Deshaun and looking
around the division and the conference and saying, look.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
That's why you did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
What are we here to do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
We're here to try to let's go win a super
Bowl in order to beat Mahomes, Alan Lamar Burrow and
Burrow was in our division and just got there to
the super Bowl. We have got to have that level
and that's how it happens.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
All four in the AFC and tour in our division
two in our division.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yeah, they're going to be here for Yeah, they're not
going anywhere. We just did that the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
We did like you know, those quarterback tiers and all
of that, and like the four guys who are like
unimpeachable are all here into in our division.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
Yeah, it's crazy. You'd much rather be in the NFC
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Oh my god, NFC, No anything anywhere in the NFC.
You take.

Speaker 8 (01:20:58):
What reality TV show would you agree to be on?

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
I think you and I would do a great job
at The Amazing Race. I don't know if that's still
a show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
I think to do it. I think we I think
you and I would thrive at that. Let's do it?
Do you think so? Yeah? Quick on our feet.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Yeah, I feel like we do very well with that. Yeah,
I'm in Does that show still go on? The Amazing Race?

Speaker 8 (01:21:21):
Give me one second. It looks like it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think we do well with that. Isn't
the idea like they PLoP you down in the middle
of nowhere and then you got to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Clues to get somewhere else. Yeah, I feel like we'd
crush that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
They're Easy.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
There are thirty seven seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
I grew up playing Where in the World as Carmen
san Diego.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Same easy, Boga great show. That's where she is. She
was always in Bogatah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
Sounds like a good place to be a place to be.

Speaker 8 (01:21:48):
Yeah, Oh man, let's get back to where.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
We were here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Favorite course, Maddie mass Cleveland, favorite course in the Greater
Phoenix area. Matt and Scottsdale his his week. I really
like True North. I think it's the monument course. I
just thought it was so cool. We Copie did not play,
but I hear tremendous things about it. But I really
loved true of the ones we played. Liked it better
than Greyhawk, for sure. I thought it was really really nice.

(01:22:17):
True North.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
All right, I'm pulling up a oh gosh, Yeah, it
looks beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Yet the monuments. Yeah, like big Rocks, Red Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
That's the thing, though, you and I talk about that
all the time. With the PGA Championship, It's so cool
to go play something that looks totally different than anything
you've ever seen, totally like when you went and played Mierfield.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
You're gonna play an exclusive course.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Next week, like they're both stunning courses, but they're not
that dissimilar from an elite course that you would be
playing up here. It's true, right, Yeah, it's a it's
a big American course. They're awesome, they're perfectly manicured, all
that stuff. But then if you go to like this place,
you go out in the desert and then all of
a sudd you're playing something that just is totally foreign

(01:23:03):
to the eye. Yeah, those are the ones that I
get excited to see. Are those ones that just look totallytally.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
They should have a turn portal. I'd love to see them. Yeah,
it'd be just fun, different stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
It'd be very very good.

Speaker 8 (01:23:14):
If you could live anywhere for one year, where would
you pick.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Family or just me living my best life.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Let's go both. If it differs, I.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Tell you what, you'd have a hard time do it,
like if you don't worry about anything. It feels like
the people in Maui are really living a hell of
a quality of life. To me, seems like they're thriving
on about every level.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
And this is just one year I get to live there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I feel like one year.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Yeah, there's a lot of places in California that are
pretty damn great for that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Live in like a sweet spot in San Diego would
probably be pretty good. Yeah, I wouldn't mind living somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
I'm Tuscany, like in a Tuscan villa.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
For a year, be a fun spot for a year.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Yeah, it feels pretty great.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
That'd be great. Yeah, you saw what happened on the
White Lotus.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Nashville.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
Nashville is your answer? That's like very doable.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
You do that tomorrow, live.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
In Nashville all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
What's your job in Nashville tomorrow, man? Yeah, it's easy.

Speaker 10 (01:24:18):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of great things down
in Nashville. Have you ever regifted and if so, what
was it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Definitely because that you get doubles on stuff, you know,
especially like all this at Christmas time they do that,
those those blind elephant things.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
Yeah, I can't stay.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
I can might as well be blind, you know it.
Actually blind makes more sense, you know what you're getting.
I can't stand those things. I can't stand them. I
do we have to do like several of them every year,
and every year like I don't even remember what I
ever got, Like it never comes home.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
I don't even know what happens to it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
So usually I just take one that I get in
one and I give it to the next one. Yeah,
it's always the same price range. Here, go ahead, have it.
I don't know all.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
Right, I got one from Jared Logan.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Bill He says, Charles Woodson was the best high school
player I've ever seen, in honor of his joining the
Browns ownership group. Who was the best high school player
you ever saw? Oh, this is easy for me. For me,
it's Jason Kidd.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Yeah, that would be pretty was he? Do you have
a football one?

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
I'm trying to think Braxton Banks was at the high
school I went to and was really really good, Roy Williams.
Was it Logan the safety.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Safety from that went to Oklahoma? Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Brax Banks went to Notre Dame like a peak of
Note Dame, but then never materialized. Kind of past that man.

Speaker 10 (01:25:39):
Jaden Ballard wide receiver out of massin absolute beast, I mean,
fifty to fifty ball, Just throw it up to him,
he was gonna catch it.

Speaker 8 (01:25:47):
Committed to Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Now he's at Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Yeah, it's a shame that he I think if he could,
I understand why he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Where he had to go? Yeah, Ernie Simms.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
For me, Ernie Simms was a He started on a
state champion as an eighth grader. He was a four
time Florida State champion. He was the number one overall
high school football recruit in the country coming out of
high school. He's USA Today National Player.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
He had three schools were his finalists of where he
was going to go, Florida State, Auburn, and Georgia. All
three said that they would unretire the number thirty four
for him. That's Ron Sellers at Florida State, really good player.
That's herschel Walker at Georgia, and that's Bo Jackson at Auburn.

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That's how good he was. Now he ends up being
a first round pick. I think he's a seventh or
eighth pick of the Lions. And he had some concussion
stuff and just was never He was still a good player,
had a good, probably ten year career, but was the
best high school football player I saw him play.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Tallahassee. Lincoln is in Tallahassee.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Lincoln had seven kids who went Florida State Miami like
Antonio Carimarti, Pat Watkins. All these guys who played in
the league were all on the same team and he
single handedly beat them. There's a video we had of
him at the television station I worked at with him,
just like throwing people off of him. He was the
And he played linebacker at Florida State. Like I really
think he could have been like a Bo Jackson type
running back. Like he was that good. He was untackleable.

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And all three of those schools offered to unretire the jersey,
which has never been done. Wow, he was stunning, stunning
And where those people are? Where did he go Florida State?

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Was he better at Florida State than like Ron Simmons?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
No, no, no, no, he wasn't better than Ron Simmons.
He wasn't probably better than he was a first round pick,
like I want to say he was an eighth pick
in the draft. He was a top ten pick of
the Lions. But no, he wasn't like a multiple All
America And he wasn't like Derrek Brooks Andre Wadsworth. He
was a really good player, really good player. Again, he
was a first round pick, but he never it never

(01:27:51):
went to that level. I think he started probably started
as a freshman. He's a three year starter. I mean,
I'm guessing his accolades were pretty good, but he never
like won the Bednarik or anything like that as as
the Nation's stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
But he was as a high school player was ridiculous.
Wild Yeah, so much water. Cop You listened to Clevelan
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Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
All Right, Uh, you know it's funny I went to
Uh I mentioned Ernie Simms actually went to his first
pro game two It was here. It was a preseason
game against against the Browns. It was obviously long before
I worked there. This would have been in probably six okay,
something like that, oh seven maybe seven. Yeah, but he

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was the ninth pick in the draft. He was an
All American at Florida State.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Played three years. So that's the way that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
That There's been a lot of most peoples Pro Bowls. No, No,
I got dinged. I remember he had a concussion thing
early and he just never never did that. I don't
think he ever made a Pro Bowl or anything, but
he was he remains the only linebacker to ever be
the number one overall prospect in the country on the

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Rivals ratings. Even all the way through last year, he's
the only linebacker to be number one overall. Most times
he asked folks around here who the best high school
the answer I get most often here for best high
school football player they ever saw from the Cleveland area.
It's usually Robert Smith is usually the answer that if
you talk to people who've been around long enough, they say,

(01:29:49):
Robert Smith's unlike anything you've ever seen. And that makes
sense because he was a sprinter or two.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
He was euclid. I think someone's going someone screaming, yeah,
you idiot. It's that yes, he he's you could keV yes.
So that's usually the one that I get is usually
that one.

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