News Filled Practice Number Six - Cleveland Browns Daily - 7.29.25

Former UFC Heavyweight Champion of the World Stipe Miocic (start of the show), NFL Network Host and Reporter Steve Wyche (50:02) and Browns Radio Analyst and Buckeye Legend Tyvis Powell (1:03:24) join Beau and Z on a news filled Tuesday edition of the program. Also hear from HC Kevin Stefanski (25:52) and Owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Browns on a fifty esp and Cleveland. He are your hosts,
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
All right, let's are live on a Tuesday edition of
Cleveland Brown's Daily.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I am merely Bo. He is the great z and
to his life.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
We truly have greatness here today.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Truly greatness. Steeve Abochic joining us right off the top. Man,
good to see you out here.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
I just did. We did.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
We told the whole world quite frankly, Man, good.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
To see you.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
What is?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
What is?

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Let's let's to be out here at camp for you.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
What did this franchise mean to you as a kid
and as someone who's a native of this area? How
do you put into perspective what the Browns mean to
this region?

Speaker 7 (01:12):
I mean it means everything in the Browns. The Browns,
I mean, no matter good or bad, they're the fans
are loyal and just like when I fly, you know,
no matter if I wanted lost, I always had people,
you know, back me up. And it's what I allow
about Cleveland, man, and you know, especially the Browns and
they're they're no joke and again better than again, the
bright pieces in place finally and uh, you know, I

(01:34):
think the fans are finally going to be you know,
seeing good stuff happen.

Speaker 8 (01:38):
You remember when you won the UFC heavyweight Championship and
the reaction, what that meant to you, what that meant
to the city, the pride that it brought this city.
You were like the first champion in Cleveland and quite
some time. What do you think it would mean when
you talk about the Browns here, the city's just dying
for this.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Team to be the steep A of football.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
When when it happens, the city will burn in a
fun in a funny way, like I'm not saying I
mean literally like people, it's gonna be crazy, Like I mean,
I'm definitely gonna be there. My my Browns, Blazes are
all working professional but yeah, yeah, yeah man, they Uh
when that happens, it's it's gonna be unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And and you're here, you have a project that you're
working on in terms of life after the ring. What
can you tell us about it? And Uh, what can
fans expect?

Speaker 7 (02:29):
Well, yeah, you know, now I'm a content creator. There's
my management like to put it now each other. Yeah,
just doing some fun stuff. So right now I'm doing
a thing called steepe tries kind of, so I'm doing
different things. So like I've done like a chef and
you know, a tennis pro and I'm say I'm doing
camera ic so you know, it's just they'll be there,
you know, different stuff, you know, going away to find

(02:50):
different things to do, like you know, maybe golf. I
played golf. I really really sat down and learned it.
So I have a friend of mine it's and I
love it because after like four out four holes, I'm
gonna send in the golf card talking smack because I
don't play any work because I'm just I stink. But
but yeah, then who knows. I mean, there's so many

(03:11):
things that you know, I want to try and do
and be fun. Just a different side of me against
you're saying, you know.

Speaker 8 (03:16):
What you're talking about golf, And that's the one thing
I can relate. Not at tennis pro. We can talk
chefing out to that. I do enjoy amateur chefing, but
golf to me, what's so cool about it. It is
the constant quest for something that is unattainable. It is
the constant quest to get better at a game that
you are never going to master and one day could
be different to the next. When you were fighting, did
you ever feel like you had the perfect fight? Was

(03:38):
that something that you were always constantly you know, looking
to have quote unquote a perfect fight, because I would
imagine that would mean you pretty much kicked the other guys,
but and you come out feeling pretty good.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, no matter and not even just fighting,
just in life. I always try for perfection because you'll
never achieve it, but if you strive for it, you
know you'll get close. And that's a lot of things
I did, you know. I think it's how through not
just with fighting, with everything in life. And but yeah,
I had some good fights where I have listened and
you know this fights who I have not listened, and
you know if I I mean, you know, then that

(04:10):
was not perfect. And but yeah, I think, uh, there's
definitely times, especially even during training. You know there's guys
who sparre with you every week and one week you
just piece them up. It's gonna using today and then
they just destroyed you, Like, what just happened? You forgot
to fight? You know, It's just you know, it's like
my second DC fight, got in fight for a year
because you know, he was hurt whatever that we got

(04:32):
to fight finally and my daughter as well. And so
if I if I happened and the ring wrestling that
first round, I really had no idea what I was doing.
I'm like, what what My coach He's like, you know, fight,
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you pick
up like a doubt, you rescued, threw me down. I mean,
what is going on right now? But uh, you know,

(04:53):
it's just you know the thing about sports, you never know,
and things happened, you know when you when you least expected.

Speaker 8 (04:59):
What did you like about when you would try it
out being a chef? What would be the specialty of
steepe my?

Speaker 7 (05:04):
Specially while was that fair nite Iraq? It was like amazing.
I took it half at home, but no my hot pockets,
no pizza bikes, these stuff, the air fire so it's
so easy.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know one thing that's happened here in the last
decade or so, and we see it especially at the
defensive line in Ohio State, some of their defensive line
coach has done it for year or two. Uh, some
of the some of the hand tactics that you use
in the ring in the m A M m A.
Like they're teaching a lot of that to defensive line play.
Do you as you're out here today, Will Will and
you see something, hey, that looks familiar, Like that's something

(05:40):
that's some of the stuff you've used.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
Well, actually were Dustin Perfect players. Well, we were trying
to get together and just it's never came about just
because I was on vacation and then just made a
lot of things happened. So I Spiky mcclairy's by amatony.
But uh, but we're looking at some of the guys
in you know, in on off days and stuff like that,
and do some of the stuff we do because a
lot of things we do not just so much with
a punching we do, but also you know, we're using footdrills.

(06:04):
But also the same time you get the ball throughn't you,
So you have to worry about your feet, but also
the same time you have to worry about catching the ball.
So like it's like you and I do not know
nothing about being alignment, you know, but like you know,
if you're blocking one guy, you see a guy, just
natural show. You mean, just knowing where every part of
your body is, understanding your body, knowing where it's at.
I think a lot of it, you know, especially with
DST too, you know, like because you you know, you
you swim swimming, swim through and you come around there's

(06:27):
another guy and then you swim the other way or
do a spin. I mean, just just knowing your body,
knowing what they're doing, what to expect.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
What are you hoping to get today? It is the
perfect shot. What would be?

Speaker 8 (06:35):
What are you hoping to set out that you see
through that lens today as you're as you're following around.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
I'm behind the I'm behind the lens. So apparently not
really great. I thought about it, no, I you know,
I just just just the moment, just experiencing it. It's
pretty cool, and I just, you know, it's something I've
been here less than I came here Jesus a while ago,
but it's it's changed so much already, and it just
it's amazing. I think they address field now, but it's honestly,

(07:01):
it's it's just experience.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
I've spent a lot of time on the sidelines. I've
been seeing Matt Starkey on the sidelines a lot. When
you're looking through that camera, sometimes you don't have appreciation
for how quickly they are going to be in your
personal space.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
So just you know that from.

Speaker 9 (07:18):
Fighting, well, you're you are a big man.

Speaker 8 (07:23):
Starky took against Thursday night Denver Broncos. Their safety came
and speared him while he was sitting there. We thought
he I thought he was maybe dead. Mark podolex Jaw
was on the ground and then he got struck it
off like it was nothing.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Starky's a legend. But you head on a.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
Swivel out there, fell back boom.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
M out there it is.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
We have to bring you to the joint practices then,
because these are all browns here today. But maybe like
we'll bring you to Charlotte or Philly when an e
comes over.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, real quick.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's exciting, man, it's great see and you have a
ball out there today, and uh, you're such a city
is so proud of everything you've done and you've been
such an incredible representation for the town in Ohio and
Northeast Ohio specifically, So it's great seeing you body and
have fun today.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Yeah, thanks for having me, and you know, always always
for Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That's yeah, that's it. He's the champ us, former UFC
Heavyweight Champion of the world. He is steep a bocha
cheese on site and if you're out here, you're on
your way out here, you may see him on the
side that camera with with the with the great Matt Sarki.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
So there you go. That's very exciting. Hey, how are you.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm great.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
Why not, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
I have bugs all over me.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's sweaty.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's sweaty. You know what you have though you have
a nice bamboo fabric.

Speaker 8 (08:40):
This isn't a nice Croatian summer where we're out on
there is into the pools.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Not forget that. I don't want to leave.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I know, Honeymoon Bar.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
We talk about going there next time we go.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Got it, well, we were got when.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
We were it was it was just like it was
not real. It was almost like postcard.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yes, it's too good.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
It's creating. And then like you know, of course it
was you know, we were there for a festival and
all that good stuff, and they accommodated us very well.
We know, we got a villa that like a butler
and the private five times I'm appropriate my kids in care,
They're like, I'll take butter noodles.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know, we got a lot of similarities.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
Brother and the chefs like, hey, get it's so easy.
He coach all the day. But it was actually nice
because like you know, you know, it is a you
when the kids want something, you haven't vacation do this,
but like it was all take care of. Like what
we did is enjoy ourselves, and it was it was for.

Speaker 8 (09:35):
Something like right now, I would be going to one
of the they have like day clubs everywhere.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Oh yeah, I'd be at a day club.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
I'd have I'd be in the water, in the water,
then back a little cocktail, be fan.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Tell my wife. I would go to check it out,
make sure the situations okay, smart come back like eight
hours later. But it's good.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's good.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
I mean these things go basically like you wake up,
you go there at parties all day, and then it
turns into the.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Like I have a pool party, you know, and then
they'll be like orle renowned DJ's music artists and phone
parties and stuff. It's fun.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's a win, always a win. City A right, buddy,
I thank you.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
I tracked him. This is my wife. The one time
she said no, we were not going as I thought.
She's the nade, the Navy. But it doesn't even Maybe
she said no.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Listen, maybe next time.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's all right, stupid good ceedy Coming up on the
other side of this quick time out copious notes from
practice yesterday. Good day was a very very good day.
We'll get into all of that coming up next. We're
off and running and listen to Cleveland Browns Daily presented
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Speaker 1 (10:40):
Cleveland Browns Daily presented by bally Bet, an official sports
betting partner of Your Cleveland Browns on eight fifty esp
and Cleveland.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
You can't pick it this Selpi Steep.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
You gotta love get back. He's in there, alerc Man,
loving it, loving it.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Look at them.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
We have you and I have persevered to the heat
and humidity. But today we should be a new obstacle.
Mat has bugs everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. They're like buzzing.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
So you said I had it right with him, but
I'm still sticky as.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah it is. But this gnat situation could be a
real monkey.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
You know the word I'd like to use, untenable.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
It is untenable, right, the gnat situation.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Give it's so it was here on Friday for ESPN Cleveland.
The Nats were yeah, and then there was nothing. Nothing
on Saturday. Nothing yesterday.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Maybe we put that fan right here.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I want, I want you guys to know. We walk
out here this morning. Yeah, okay, so last night we
had a little bit of weather.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Oh yeah, I'd say, no kidding.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
The back of this tent was higher than the table.
The whole thing was turned, oh, caved in. I'm happy
to drop a couple of these if you want. And
I didn't know if you wanted that just gnat situation.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
It's a little dicey. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
We'll got to wear some bug be gone. We have
like snats are on my iPad.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
They're everywhere.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'll tell you this. We have got to be at
max capacity. Rain that's tolerable and allowed.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Where the that's I.

Speaker 8 (12:23):
Mean, Nana's really dove into the highest humid, most humid,
highest heat index July on record.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, tracks yeah, and then yesterday it just RiPP just
I don't know how if it was like this for you,
but just poured for like an hour completely and it's
just a completely poured And it just did that on Sunday.
What happens in Florida, that's right, that's right. Yeah, not
supposed to be here.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
No, it's supposed to be not humid in the summer here.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
No brutal. I mean, it's just brutal out here. What
wasn't brutal is what we saw. Oh, by the way,
I did my own investigation on the short buckets. There
aren't any over there. There aren't any over there. So
it says we need Gibbe. This is Gibbe. You're in
with security, you're in with equipment. This is where gibbey,
and he's been sized. My hunch is that that you

(13:09):
shine for us must be that he goes. Maybe that
must be coming from this equipment.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Equipment.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
That's where the short books. Please, that's that's got to
be where it's at. Got a nice That guy's got
a nice high step coming out here.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
And that referee he's spry. Do you like that little
job step?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
It was a nice job.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey, Speaking of nice jobs and to practice. Yesterday was fun.
After we had gotten off the air.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
It was great.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
We really got to see you and I got to
take it into you, Me Andrews Siliano and the great
Bernard Kozar.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
I honestly give me.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
I think we should investigate setting up in front of
those because it turns out those they have these high
powered fans that shoot missed. Look at this, that's why
they have plastic wrap them, the plastic electric.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, because I can see through that.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
We'll put us on wireless mics again and we'll stand
over there.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
It'll be great. Uh Anyway, but.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I should be like Al Frank remember on SNL when
he had the One Man's satellite, Yes, roaming around.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
Yes, I want you to be the bubble boy roaming around.
I'd like to be the ice bath guy. So no
pads today. Ethan Posik, first guy out looks like a shells.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
That's his routine. He was yesterday he was as.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, consistent, looks like shells.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
From far away, I think coach called him.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Spiders, but yeah, I did call them the spiders.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, not quite pads, but although that kind of looks
like it might.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Be maybe Yeah, it's hard to say in this distance, Debbey.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Do you know it's we're clear over here on the
ear plugged in?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
They have not told I never know when we're up.
I don't know what the attire is. This year, that
communication has been a little difficult.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
By the way, give me one of the wineries I
get wine from has a wine that I think would
be perfect for you. It's the twenty twenty three Curmudgeon
Cabernet Savenue on. Give you a magnum and again we
have we get your magnum of that give.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I want to have. I want to be in front
of a mister. I want that you'll get. I'm going
to give you a curmudgeon bottle of one.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Let me tell you something. I think you'll be very
happy to have that bottle.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Makes me want to just turn around and help you.

Speaker 8 (15:20):
I think you'd be very happy to have a bottle
of I think it would be I think I've got
to I've got a threshold of two point five gnat bites.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's the threshold. Goodbye, next levels, next, that's gonna be
the end.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
We're we're we're out here.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh man, the fan, doctor j get the fan tilted
up a little, so it's actually comes it's coming right,
It's coming right into you, guys. It's what it feels like.
I'm not look at the wind on his show.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, you got your bag is blocking the airflow.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
I just realized, like, don't put your bag up high
because everything's wet. But the ground is what I feel like.
That's why the natser here.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh, I definitely think that's here.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yep. I think that's why we have a Maybe we
put that fan all right, we'll work right about right here.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's what I said, right there.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Yeah, in my shirt is what I'd like that fan.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's a hot way. It's interesting.

Speaker 8 (16:21):
I had talked with some of the players about it too,
and you know, they said, look, there are places in
the country where it is hotter, but yes, this is,
without a doubt, the hottest so far we've had. I
got tucked to Wyatt Teller and he said, hottest training
camp and by far the most intense. He confirmed that
I did have it right that in the year's past
day one of pads was spent just an individual like

(16:42):
position group drills and maybe on air offense, not multiple
multiple eleven on elevens which we got here today, which
is which I think is great.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Is that any better?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's a little I think you need to come this
way with it though a little.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
I know that is this.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, this is a little better. But just go give
me a half take that side. There is your left
hand back.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Just a touch.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
This guy's like the Miguel on Hell Jimenez of Refs
when Miguel you know, and Miguel on Hel Jimenez gets
in his little stretching.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, now you're talking, now you got now you're on something,
doctor j. This guy had a walk out, yeah, with
a high step, kind of a high step, butt.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Kicker, Miguel on Hell him and hips loose.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Then he he just did a set of as pristina
push ups as you'll ever see. Yeah, of about twenty five.
Knock those out. Then did kind of a a from
a push up position to a stand up.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I got a nad in my eye. Now that's nice.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And I think this guy, You're gonna get your Burby's
out of this guy.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh yeah, and I was taking pictures.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, he's always worked in ahead of time.

Speaker 8 (17:46):
Speaking of impressive yesterday, as we see Shador Sanders walk out,
I thought he had, I mean, the two best plays
of the day to just a gorgeous ball. Climb in
the pocket would have been a sack probably, but that's
not on him. He climbs the pocket, throws an absolute
strike to gauge Lardavan and then the walk off. At
the end of practice fourth and three all out Blitz

(18:07):
rolls right by his time, finds the open receiver, throws
a beautiful ball for a walk in touchdown to his
tight end. Sal Canelos So, I thought your door was
excellent yesterday. The trackers had him at nine of nine
two touchdowns. Yeah, which again, those trackers are a little silly,
but it's fun, it's fun content.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
But I thought he was godfather the track Well you are, Yeah,
you birthed it from your loins.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Gill, did you said it? I did? Manzielle. He said,
that's a tracker that was big.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
There's look at that. Look at that small bucket there.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's the small bucket one you're looking for. In all seriousness,
he was sensational yesterday. Yes, sensation.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
I want more. I want to see more opportunities for him.
And look, Dylan Gabriel had some very nice throws, rolling left,
flipping the hips or rolling right, I'm sorry, flipping his
hips hitting Jerry Judy. He had a great ball to
Deontay Johnson with the anticipatory throw on a tremendous route
for Deontay Johnson, by the way, still has no question
about his ability to create separation run routes. Flacco had
a really nice baldy cad and Davis in a very

(19:04):
tight window that got Burnie really excited. Uh but yeah,
your Sanders was sensational, and I think the question is
not question. I think the thing that we don't see
is you know it was it was said he's got
a big learning curve all of that stuff, but that
stuff that's not between the lines.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, so where is he on that?

Speaker 8 (19:24):
Because what we've seen between the white lines, to me,
has earned him more opportunities in high leverage situations.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Me, I concur we we we goose.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
We got that great move.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's I can't it sorted out now that now we're
all everybody's.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Going and actually it's kind of bouncing off of here
to the back of my neck.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
You talked about how these new fabrics are not great fabrics,
But if you want to be like a sail and
catch wind under your fabric.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
That's actually a pretty good shirt for that.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
It's a good shirt, right, yeah, I I am as
big as a sale.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
No, no, no, no, it would be the same if.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
And it's the thing. I think this might dry this
out and maybe kick the nts.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh well, maybe send him on, send him down yonder,
send him on down the way. Someone else said that recently, said, what.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
That's my problem.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Give he's got a heater. He had a very strong
twenty minutes here. Give me right out of the gates.
You I I agree with you. When I don't know.
We don't know what is you know, in the in
the classroom, the meetings, whatever. We know that we know
that it's a big learning curve there based on the
type of offense and what they did at Colorado and

(20:43):
what he's trying to do here.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
But what I can see with my own eyes and
what we saw yesterday was a guy who is a
very natural thrower of the football.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
His his pocket presence.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I think he had a big moment and we were
on with the Great Bernie at this moment when he
climbed the pocket and he trusted it yep, and then
put it over the top to gauge. I mean that
that was a massive play. The play at the end,
the touch and at the end he's he's going growing
leaps and bounds. There's a very natural ability to him.
He looks very natural playing quarterback. There's nothing that seems

(21:18):
too fast or too big for him. You just got
two gnats and what I've been I've been bit twice now.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
These things unreal.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
Stop on my legs. Yeah, No, he is. And that's
what we've always known about him. And that's why when
you watch the tape that you were so excited about him.
There are certain people you know in the media and
otherwise you just have the narrative or just decide they
don't like him because and I think what they don't
like them, they don't want to like him. I don't know,
ask what do you do? I'm sure I'll be around
blocking our view in a little bit. We can ask

(21:45):
him directly. But I think what's what's interesting is the
notion that he was going to be a distraction, that
he was going to be is all bullocks, and it
is not the case in any way, shape or for him.
He has been a model citizens and being here I
thought it was great. We saw the interview with Dion
where he's talking about the playmaker Michael Irban, and said, sure, said,
don't come you see me, You'll see me in the games. Yeah,

(22:07):
don't come. I don't want the distraction, don't want any
of it. And I think that that's you know, he
is so locked in and he's been playing well. He
is incredibly accurate. He's been very decisive with the football.
I like that he's out here early. He's going through
his plays right now as we see him out there,
kind of get mental reps with one of the coaches
out there, going through today's script and just trying to

(22:29):
get all of his reps to be ready for because
you know, part of what you have to learn. And
I think part of the biggest jump in terms of
now going from college to the NFL is first, did
you ever call plays in the huddle?

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (22:41):
And so when the answer to that is no, that
means you're now you have to learn I mean I'm
well over five bytes. Yeah, you've got to learn a
whole new language, and you've got to be able to
communicate in that language.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
You've got to be the professor.

Speaker 8 (22:54):
Yes, you have to be the most fluent you have
to understand what everything means and be able to communicate
that to everybody with conviction on your team. The other
part is the process of what does it mean to
be a quarterback in the NFL? In the meeting room,
in your note taking. We watched talked about the quarterbacks
and you know the show. Kirk Cousins has all of
his notebooks now, it was hilarious. I asked Joe Flacco

(23:16):
about that in Flaco. He's thrown some of his old
notebooks out. He's like, I told me what he can
get these out of here? Kirk Cousins has every notebook.
They everyone all handwritten. But that Flacco said the same thing,
So you know, did he have to do things like
that in college? And to what degree? And that it's
always ratcheted up right when you get here into the
National Football League. So I think that that is it's important.

(23:39):
It's great to see the way that he has handled that.
And I think he's coming along and I think that
he is going to be a gamer and we're going
to see what he looks like.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Again.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
I want to restate this because I think it's important
when people think about these two quarterbacks, they are and
you said it yesterday, which is one hundred percent correct.
Their lottery tickets. You don't draft a quarterback in the
third round of the fifth round and expect reasonably expect
them to be your franchise savior.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
No.

Speaker 8 (24:06):
Now, I think there are many people, myself included, believe
that Judor Sanders has that kind of a pedigree and
has that kind of ability. Dylan Gabriel was a third
round pick. If Dylan Gabriel ends up being a good,
solid backup for the Cleveland Browns throughout the duration of
his rookie contract and perhaps beyond that, and have a
case keen of a Cult McCoy career where whenever you

(24:27):
need him to start, they're ready to go. They can
kind of take a team over the course of a season.
But that is incredibly valuable, and that makes that pick
a home run.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
Anything beyond that, if Dylan Gabriel does become the guy,
that is gravy and franchise changing, like you talked about
yesterday with Brock Perdy. But that's what we're that's much
more of the situation that we're dealing with. Then we
just drafted Jayden Daniels or Drake may or bow Nix.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Right. Yeah, Now, Shador is the guys you just named.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
You just got him in the fifth that's yes, from
a talent point, from a pedigree standpoint, he is that, Yes,
you just got him in the fifth round. Correct, And
so that's that's where that lottery ticket analogy comes from.
Real total to him is that you kind of stumbled
into this thing. The reality is that today's NFL.

Speaker 8 (25:14):
Any quarterback that can become your guy that wasn't drafted
in the first round is a lottery ticket and that
is a massive bonus.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yes, yes, yes, A couple of minutes away from coach Tefanski.
Uh that's around one thirty where he's getting Yeah, where
he's gonna address be coming now. I know I noticed
a little bit proud of gathering over there. So we'll
they're they're over on the west side. Uh oh, he's
the opposite of us. So there's coach and we'll see

(25:42):
if once that's good, we can we can take that. Sure,
get he This is routine every day. Does the same
thing goes all the way over?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Do we have you have coach?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Okay, let's go there.

Speaker 10 (25:52):
Now that's a tough situation, but that's where certainly our
minds are this morning. We'll be out here today for practice,
not in pads today, so we'll be back in pads tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Can't go three in a row.

Speaker 10 (26:07):
We'll be doing a lot of situational work today, a
lot of two minutes today as we continue down our
installation schedule.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
But with that, I'll take any questions.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
Kevin with the quarterbacks, and you expect the rotation to
be very much similar along the lines of what what
what it was yesterday?

Speaker 10 (26:22):
Yeah, i'd say similar again, continuing to mix a match.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
That's a really correct.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
It seems like yesterday wasn't.

Speaker 10 (26:32):
The teams, it's just, uh, you'll see throughout the camp
we're limiting some of our veteran players for various reasons.
A couple of guys will be limited today, but uh,
we'll just uh.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
They're still getting good work done. That's right, That's right.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
How the guys like the handle rests. The res some
guys out and some.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
Guys and we'll be right down.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
One more time.

Speaker 12 (26:59):
The guys as how they kind of respond to there plays.

Speaker 10 (27:04):
Yeah, Honestly, our guys come out here and I think
their focus is on on what's in front of them
and what their job is on every single play. There's
a lot of these training camp practices. As we get
in the dog days of this thing, Uh, they'll start
to run together. For the guys, there's so many walk
through so we're throwing a lot at them even this morning.
You know, it's a there's a lot of newness for
these young players. Some of the older guys have been

(27:26):
around some of the concepts we're talking about. But Uh,
there's there's a lot of work that's done in the
meeting room, mental work that's done that it can be
a lot for these guys, but they're doing nice.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
John. I know you guys talk about gambler.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
The league talks about forty gamble.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Do you see something like what the Guardians have is that?
And the cause to.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
It is I mean, it's honestly, Scott, you you you
kind of want to hit these things every single day,
and we really we do hit versions of it every
single day. But gambling is definitely one that we've gone
above and beyond to communicate to ours, as you know,
because it's it's it's something that's real, it's something that's
affecting not just our sport.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
I mean, it's expecting affecting.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
All all sports including college and pros coaches, players, officials.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
So this is something that we're going to try to stay.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
On top of.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
You agree that, I'm pretty sure as well as that's
on there, it is.

Speaker 13 (28:24):
Side runs.

Speaker 10 (28:26):
From the sport because.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
That we really didn't Tony.

Speaker 10 (28:36):
Uh, we're in our installation schedule, so yesterday was some
more of our gap scheme runs that typically are are
inside runs, but we had a decent amount of outside
runs as well.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
We didn't get out there very often because the D
line was living in the backfield.

Speaker 10 (28:50):
But yeah, that we're continuing on the installation, uh with
both offense and defense really, i'd say over the next
couple of days, and then we'll be through our installs
and uh then the coaches will kind of move around.
But I think you'll see more and more situational football
start popping up here, uh today, tomorrow, and as we go.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Kevin with.

Speaker 12 (29:14):
When there's those plays where it's pretty obviously there's a
sack on it.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
Yeah, I think I pointed out this morning. I thought
our D line has done a really nice job. They're
gonna at times beat an offensive player. They're gonna have
a free path to the quarterback and then they're gonna
take a right turn and get out of the way, uh,
or a left turn and get out of the way,
because we obviously have to stay away from those quarterbacks.
But what we asked them to do is put on
tape what what they're doing. We see them win, and
then get out of the way. So the quarterback, it

(29:41):
may be fool's gold that that there's a play to
be had, but we want the quarterback to continue to play,
and then that lets the receivers, the tight ends, the
QB get a rep even though in all.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
Likelihood the player would have would have been sacked.

Speaker 11 (29:54):
For instance, Kevin with with Joe not getting more for
any quarterback, but especially you guys, everything like.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
That, how much is that?

Speaker 8 (30:01):
You know?

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Can you maybe get in a little more.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
Rhythm and and maybe do you see maybe the play
improved because of the the more extended.

Speaker 10 (30:10):
Potentially Yeah, I think quarterbacks would all of them would
love every rep they could get.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
I think that's obvious.

Speaker 10 (30:16):
But you know, playing this position and as a backup quarterback, hoally,
like I was saying, Chris, yeah, backup quarterbacks are used
to going in a game with no reps, so uh,
that's part of the role of qbs in general is

(30:37):
just to be ready with you know, at a moment's notice. So,
but I do think Joe with with of course more reps,
just like dealing with more reps your door. With more
reps that you get more comfortable as you get more
turns at it.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Well, do you want to use that?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know, that is a drill for quarterbacks of what
you gotta Hey, you got to be able to hit
the curveball right.

Speaker 12 (30:58):
Kind of weird today and he talked about being frustrated
last year and I'm never feeling like he was necessarily
one hundred percent does how have you seen him work
through that? And it it seems like he's.

Speaker 10 (31:10):
Come back with a different rovie, like he's, uh, he's
got the right mentality. Uh, he'll have a bounce back
here cause he's worked his butt off. I'm really I'm
I'm confident in the young man, Kevin. We've we talked
to DM Jimmy today and they talked about the importance
of seeing these rookie quarterbacks in game situations.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Is that something you guys have discussed. Do you have
a plan for that or is that just too far
down the road.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
He even took about it.

Speaker 10 (31:32):
Yeah, well, I mean we haven't gotten too far down
the road in in uh in where we are right now.
Obviously we're discussing preseason games and pra uh you know,
the practices versus Carolina and Philly and those type of things.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Made a point of mentioning your age and the implication
being a young coach still and he's still developing.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
How how young do you feel?

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Not very?

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 10 (31:52):
I I had sent my daughter a picture of me
the other day and I said, I think I'm I'm
aging at a uh exponential uh clip, But she said
I wasn't. I have tried to convince her that this
is blonde and not great, but that hasn't worked either.
But no, I mean, yeah, how do I feel?

Speaker 6 (32:07):
I feel great.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
I'll feel excited and privileged to coach his football team,
and I'm excited about this practice there.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Different are you as a coach than you were when
you first at this June?

Speaker 6 (32:19):
I hope I've learned from every year certainly.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
So.

Speaker 10 (32:23):
You know the thing about our sport, which I love,
I know our fans love, is you can't predict this.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
It's not scripted, I think, and uh.

Speaker 10 (32:33):
It's the greatest reality show there is, so we as
coaches and players, we have to be prepared to navigate
anything and everything that comes our way.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
And that's what that's the fun part of our business.

Speaker 13 (32:45):
Martin Emerson earlier today he said that he played injured
last year and perhaps you should have take the games
a lot on you feel that players.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
I know you don't need guys to get heard of.

Speaker 10 (32:59):
It's definitely a balance. You know, you always are trying
to protect a player from himself. We'll never put a
guy out there if he's not able to protect himself.
And then that's that fine line where guys play injured,
whether it's injured, hurt, whatever word you want to use,
like that's what how guys have played this game for
a long time. We'll never do that where there's a
you know something that that would need to protect themselves

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from them.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
But I'm not surprised a guy like MJ.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
Is gonna play through injuries because the truth is, no
one's feeling one hundred percent once you get through a
couple of practices in training camp, during the street.

Speaker 14 (33:35):
The tree to feel fendy next hip yet and he's
absolutely Kevin that too, So I wonder you've had nine
quarterbacks start the last two years.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Do you think that.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
You had patrician of the season.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Will take care of that?

Speaker 10 (33:50):
Yeah, I would tell you I'm really not there right
this minute. It is still July, as it feels like July. Uh,
So we'll just keep the focus on that.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Turn any updates and I mean nothing other than to say,
everybody's doing a nice job. So we're getting close. Yeah,
still out He'll do a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Yeah, Yeah, what is it? Maybe like Dylan.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Sansley, the younger guys, what name, why do they throw
the bag?

Speaker 15 (34:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (34:26):
I mean do springs it every single day in the
in the rooms, in the meeting rooms, out.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Here on the field.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
He's so competitive.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (34:34):
He's been a great uh resource for me as a
He's a former player, he's been through all this. Uh,
he's played this game at a high level. He's obviously
at different stops at coaching, so I rely on him heavily.
But uh, he he's a guy that's never afraid to
share with anybody what's on his mind.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
And I think the players appreciate that about him.

Speaker 10 (34:59):
It does, and it does in the sense that you know,
he has such a big impact on this building, and
not just the running back room. I think he's a
guy that a lot of these guys, when you've played
this game at a high level, like Deuce has and
they have the experience going through a lot of the
things that these guys are going through, I think they
naturally lean on a guy like that.

Speaker 7 (35:19):
Mort On Sampson to the lot and the lots hit.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, what a look like don Pick?

Speaker 6 (35:25):
Yeah, it was good, clean hit.

Speaker 10 (35:28):
I mean that's what we're doing right now. We're not
doing it today because we're not in pads, but if
we're not live, we're in thud, which means we're thudding
up the runner. And that was a good rep for
Dylan Samson to learn from to keep his center of
gravity as low to the ground as you can.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
A little about player development, How do how do coaches
get developed?

Speaker 10 (35:45):
Yeah, it's a long answer, but you know, I try
to be very intentional about coaches development among our staff.
There's things that we do in the offseason, There's things
that I do throughout the year to make sure that
I'm doing my part in developing our coaches. In some ways,
I have a curriculum and and how we're trying to
do that. But the best, uh, the greatest way to

(36:07):
get developed, at least as I've been around.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Is being exposed of different coaches. And we have some really,
really really good coaches.

Speaker 10 (36:14):
I like to share with each other and and sit
in meeting rooms and put the tape on, and and
and go back and forth from offensive defensive perspectives. And
I think there's there's great value in a staff that
pushes each other, both in how you see the game
and also just uh, maybe some of your your shared histories,
almost players, since you sure count who cares? Who cares good?

Speaker 6 (36:46):
All right?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
A couple of things. Line of the line of the presser,
Sure count them? Who cares the the other? He was attacked? Well,
we've been attacked by bugs. He's being attacked by bugs.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, he's been.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
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Speaker 5 (38:37):
Buddy.

Speaker 8 (38:38):
Yeah, Once you start getting that coaching, that's when the
two hour kind of clock starts ticking. I glance over
to my right and I see Steve A. Miochi, who
was with us early on the program, chopping it up
with Miles Garrett.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Oh, there is yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Over by Gibbe's tent Brown Security.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
He's he's been deputized.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
He's been deputized. He certainly has.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
So they are in shells today, That's what Kevin Stefanski said.
They are in shells and that they'll be back in
pads tomorrow. Can't do three days in a row in
pads this time of year. And then there are a
lot of questions that Kevin Stefanski about playing the rookie
quarterbacks in season, and I think just to give a
little context of that, so Jimmy Haslam and de Haslam
spoke with the media earlier and touched on a wide

(39:18):
variety of topics, which was in I thought, great press
conference from stadium to the football team to you know,
what what this team needs to be and the improvement
that needs to be seeing all of it. But he
was asked, they were asked about, you know, it's important
to see the rookie quarterbacks. You have two first round
picks next year. Do you need to be able to have,
you know, an answer on these rookie quarterbacks. And as

(39:39):
you and I have said all along, the answer that
is yes and Jimmy said absolutely. So that's why it
seemed weird when Kevin was kind of being repeatedly asked,
so you have to play the rookies. You have to
play the rookies. Listen at the end of the day.
One thing that Jimmy hasn't made very clear. He was
asked point blank if he pictured door Sanders and was
he really yeah, and was said, there's well, they said,
there's a narrative out there that you you know. Do

(40:00):
you care to comment on that? And he said, of course, sure,
went through the timelines. Said if you'd asked me when
I went home on Friday, if shoud or Sanders would
have been a Cleveland Brown, I would have said no,
I said, but Saturday morning we had meetings. Then we
had more meetings as the day went on, and Andrew
Berry said we're doing it, and so we did.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
So no, I did not pick him.

Speaker 8 (40:19):
Touched on quinch, Judkins said he's cautiously optimistic that he
will be signed to be here soon as they let
things play out in the legal process, let due process
play out. So it was a wide ranging, a lot
of stadium talk. Obviously they are very very excited about it.
But yeah, a lot was about that rookie quarterback. And
you know, as we said all along, it makes a

(40:40):
great deal of sense to see those guys, and we've
kind of thought the season might play out in a
few tranches, and the goal of everybody who's up ahead
of the others is to eliminate the need for tranches.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Otherwise. I think it's a.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Little fact finding, absolutely, And I you know, I like
how you phrased that as we kind of talked about
this all summer. If if you are if it is,
if it's Tim or I'm sorry, if it was Joe
or or or Pickett, whichever one goes first. As long
as you they're not gonna you're not gonna lose your job.
If you're winning, like, that's not what's gonna happen. So

(41:13):
as long as there is success, you'll keep that gig.
And and to your point, if if that stops, and
then one of the rookies gets to go, and then
if that's but that that first rookie that goes, the
goal ought to be to start the rest of the year,
of course, and if you did, then that answers a question.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Of course, it's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
The one thing I want to ask, because I did
not hear the the hazms uh presser was was the
question to Jimmy that you needed to see them start
this or play this year?

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Or was it in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I guess what I'm curious about is if they play
a bunch of the preseason in the regular season.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Okay, that's the important That's the way that I think
it was.

Speaker 8 (41:51):
Meant and interpreted, and that's how I received it for sure,
because it is important to get those kind of answers.
I think that's what this that's in many ways, that's
what this is about. Yes, this is a season where
you know, he was asked kind of repeatedly, you know,
how many wins do you have to have? He says,
we need to be better than we worry. You look
at Bob.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Just be like Bob.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
If everybody out there electric and in your life, if
you can have a day the way Bob's had a week.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yes, I saw Bob having breakfast this morning and I said,
I want you to know you're a subject of conversation
and admiration.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah, that's right, great praise.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I mean, the efficiency of getting the VIPs in and out,
the turning radius.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
That would you guys like to hear from ownership on
the QBS. Mister Kevin, if you can intro those cuts
for me, because I do not have them off the
top of my head, you got it.

Speaker 16 (42:44):
I can definitely do that. So we're going to start
off with. Has them on why the Browns drafted Sdur Sanders?

Speaker 15 (42:51):
Well, I think that's really more of an Andrew question. Okay,
but I think what was that pick? We thought he
was good value at one?

Speaker 5 (42:59):
All right?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, sure was top thirty five.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
CONSUS player would say, great value, great value, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 16 (43:06):
Next, Has them talked about if it's important to see
these rookie qbs play this year rather than just down
down the line in the future.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Absolutely, absolutely so. But I mean that's Kevin is aware
of that.

Speaker 15 (43:20):
He knows how important quarterback is, and he and Andrew
talk about those kind of things all the time.

Speaker 8 (43:25):
So I like what he said there, absolutely, But he's
also and I just people need to understand this. And
I actually ended up at the grocery store yesterday. I
was a person came up to me and in the
middle of my grocery shopping and shared his rather strong
opinions about a great many things that.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Unfortunately, he's very comfortable cordially.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
He had a lot of his facts rock and so
I said, look, I'm just going to give you the facts.
You can do with it what you will. But I
think that as you heard there, why do we pick
at this question for Andrew? Jimmy Haslam and D haslm
own this team, and D said it many times, you
are the steward of this franchise for these great fans.
But when I know it's hard for people to get
their head around, and I'll keep saying, Tol'm blue in

(44:07):
the face because it's just one hundred percent the truth
and irrefutable. They let the football people run football. Andrew
Berry is the general manager. Andrew Berry has all say
on personnel, period full stop. He works in concert with
Kevin Stefanski and Paul de Podesta, and they put they
work as a team. But that's how that goes on
that side of things. And then Kevin Stefanski is the

(44:28):
head coach. He makes all decisions on who plays, who
doesn't all of it.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
Now.

Speaker 8 (44:31):
Of course, position coaches at times will make two decisions
in games. All we're gonna get this running back in here.
But Kevin Stefanski is the one that does that.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
This is not.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
Other than the fact that they empower people to make
decisions and provide every available resource to ensure that this
football team has every available advantage that they can have.
They are not involved. No, So I think that again,
he does a great job our twolating it. He does

(45:00):
a great job talking about what's going on, and people
just need to understand that that that is how it
works here in Burrea. Ultimately, if the football side of
it fails, yes, the buck stops with the owner. They
put the people in charge ultimately who make that. But
that is Andrew Berry and Kevin Sefanski leading that charge.
Andrew Berry on personal Kevin Stansky is the head coach

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and two time NFL Coach of the Year.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
But that's how it is.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
And so I thought that's a good answer. He said, yes,
it's important. How does he know that, because when you are.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
The owner, you do have check ins with your coach,
if you have checkens with your general manager and with
your chief strategy ouster, and you say, okay, what is
how are we feeling about this?

Speaker 4 (45:37):
What do we see?

Speaker 8 (45:37):
And that's why I said, absolutely, and Kevin knows that
because they've got to answer that question.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
That is the most pressing issue for.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
This organization and has been unfortunately since Bernie Kozar was
the quarterback. Yeah, yep, and it is still an unanswered
or an unfinished quest. And so yes, that is the
priority in every single recipe for this team. Can it
be can He Pickett? Can it be Dylan Gabriel, can
it be Shador Sanders. Those are questions that you would

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like to have answered on some level this year, and
then you get to move forward beyond that.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I actually think you have to have all of those
answers by the end of But you mean have I
don think you want any ambiguity, like you should know
yes we can yes or no we can't.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
There's a future here or not.

Speaker 8 (46:23):
As you said, though, there is a scenario that exists
that one person does so well that you don't get
to see another, so maybe don't get an answer to them.
But I believe if that happens, you're getting an answer. Yeah,
that's part of getting the answer right there. Yeah, we
got any more cutscuts?

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Yeah, just a couple more here.

Speaker 16 (46:42):
So this is Jimmy, and these are very short and
to the point, which you know, we always love to
hear from the owners. This is on Shadur and Dylan
and their work being put in right now at training
camp together.

Speaker 15 (46:53):
And I'll say this for the two quarterbacks coming in.
And I know everybody has a vision of Shador, but
he's come in in the building, worked hard, kept his
head down and done.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
What he's supposed to do, as has Dylan.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Which was is no surprise for either of the Spris.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
And Dylan came in as if understand his history in
college football, the amount that he's played, he came in
as probably the most pro ready from a mental aspect
side of the game as anybody in this class. A
lot of people said he was the most impressive quarterback
in this draft, not just our organization, other teams talked
about it from their pre draft processes, the most impressive
quarterback in this draft. Everything that happened in the meeting rooms,

(47:31):
all of that, right, So there's no surprise there that
he is being regarded and as quick and as ready
to get rolling.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Whatever Giroj just did right there is good. That was
so good.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Now we've moved a little bit, so I don't want
to You know, you're fine, doctor J. Stay where you're at.
Stay where you're at, doctor J. You're doing the right things,
doctor J.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
But yeah, I'm not surprised in the least bit that
these guys have come in here and that they have
worked and that they've been professionals. And it shows, you know,
in the successes they've been able to have on the
field and the respect that they have of their peers,
which is ultimately, to be a successful quarterback the NFL,
you must have that, absolutely, keV.

Speaker 16 (48:07):
One more, he thought, yeah, one more, just the overall
thoughts on the rookie class. So they know we've spent
a lot of focus on that, but some of the
guys not talked about as much. So here's the thoughts
on the overall rookie class.

Speaker 15 (48:18):
You know, it's too early to say, but we like
our rookie group. We'll know a lot more, you know,
after we played two or three exhibition games and young
guys get to play a lot. Where we like the
group and particularly if Q can come back, we like
it a lot.

Speaker 8 (48:30):
Listen, Mason Graham's been very, very impressive. He looks great
body in a great spot. Carson Swessinger had probably the
defensive play the day, filling the whole leveling Dylan Samson,
who's had some nice runs in his own right. Fannin
has been everywhere. I would say the two guys have
been the most impressive. And it's just so hard to
judge line play with only one day in pads, but

(48:50):
fan and and Sweessinger have been everywhere. And then from
an undrafted standpoint, Luke Floria, that's the guy that you
want to see.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Does this does this translate into games? Is this something?

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Is this?

Speaker 8 (49:00):
Have we found, you know, a guy who can be
any date to Lincoln but like a Julian Edelman? Right?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Sure of course, then.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
You find a guy like that, kind of out of
the woodwork, who can be a good player for your
football team.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Tell you what, keep getting open, keep catching the ball,
keep making the first guy miss, and you're gonna get
a chance.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
And that's what he does on a very very regular basis.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
All right, second hour of the program, we're painting pictures
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Speaker 2 (49:50):
My Second Hour Here Cleveland Brown's Daily on a Tuesday
edition Training camp edition. The team's starting to go through
their stretching, their warm ups and some of the one
on one or some of the individual stuff, and now
we get to go and a real privilege and pleasure
for us as we were.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Joined here at NFL Network Coast, Steve weis joining us.
Steve good to see is always been, but.

Speaker 9 (50:08):
You thanks for having me out here. It's always great.
Like the Browns, like everyone in our whole network knows,
Oh you're going to Cleveland. Great, They're gonna take care
of you. It's gonna be fun. It's a great environment.
You're gonna get to see a lot. So you know,
you know certain organizations when they let you do your
job and treat you right, it's gonna be a good day.
And the Browns absolutely and you guys absolutely take good.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
To hear you like that sea breeze we're getting here,
Yeah right, yeah, I look, I live in La Man.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
This is this is a nice sea breeze.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Jesus, this thick just tough out there.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Man, how much do you look forward You mentioned you
know coming here and how special it is here, but
howval how valuable is this for your job, to do
this tour and to see how all these operations are working,
and how much you look forward to it.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
That's one thing I tell people, and they say, you
know this this national job. What's the difference. You get
to go around and you see most of the buildings
right over the course of the years. What organizations like
I said, make your job difficult, right, which people make
it very easy. So one you know the operation of
a building from the top down, you can understand why
there are teams that struggle or can't keep a coach

(51:14):
for more than two or three years. And you understand
why they are teams that have that consistency and stability,
and it's leadership from ownership down. But then training camps,
it's awesome because this is the one time you guys
notice the coaches are looser, they're accessible, You get more
time with them because once it get strategizing for an opponent,
opponent in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
That's all they have time for.

Speaker 9 (51:35):
Let's find out where they're doing on third and short,
on the plus side of the fifty. You know, things
like that they have no time to tell you how
they're evaluating their backup wide receiver who they think maybe
one day.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Be a starter. So that's what's so great about this.

Speaker 9 (51:48):
And then you know, over the year, seemed like a
rookie come in raw and gets buck kicked the first
couple of days of pads and develop into a pro
bowler and establishing those relationships to carry on.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
So it's really good as fun. I was talking to Brian.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
Baldinger and he's like tons of wards, like, oh man,
this guy's always glowing, and he just talked so much.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
I was like, as a rookie UK you could not
get a word.

Speaker 9 (52:07):
Remember that it came with Baker and we were like, dude,
Kenley Baker, take all your shine.

Speaker 8 (52:13):
It is the evolution is fun and you get to
know these guys and get to know the programs and
the people in them. So you've been around so far
this year, what's kind of has anything stuck out to you?
Maybe league trends. And the reason I'm asking that is
I can tell you for one certainty, this is going
to be a significantly and already has been more physical
more demanding training camp than we have had.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Is that something you're seeing as you go around.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
I think it depends on the club, and you know,
like the age of the club. Like you know, I
was in Washington, they've got a ton of older players.
You know, they just brought in Larry and me tonso
with von Miller and guys that get to add to
Bobby Wagner and some of the so they're not like
dan Quinn's gonna make it super physical, but not with
those guys. Right, let's get the young people's beat on them.
Let's you who really wants to do this. When I

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was in Atlanta, they didn't have pads on, so they're
just trying to make sure Michael Pennis and guys like
that are on the same page and doing like you
see the talent. But it's once you get into days
like this where you're in day five, day six, where
they're not only physically pounding on but they're just jamming
encyclopedias for young people. Those used to be real thick
books for that information, encyclopedias of information into their heads

(53:22):
and seeing how much they can handle.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
How in the years you've done this and you know
this is unique for us. We have a four quarterback
competition here, four guys? Can you really do that? You know,
Kevin will probably have to pair that down at some point,
but because of the injury to Kenny, Yeah, the two
young guys got a bigger stage yesterday and then today
we anticipate you'll see a little bit of a bigger
stage for them as well. As you've been through the
grind of this and quarterback competitions, what do you look

(53:46):
for just to see that it's clicking or not.

Speaker 9 (53:48):
Well, it's so interesting, and let's go back to a
couple of years ago. It wasn't a competition, but when
Deshaun was here with dtr and some of the quarterbacks here,
you want to see how quickly they adapt, how they
play behind second team off lines and thirteen offensive lines,
and just see the field. Like I remember during Thomas
and Robinson here, he was moving that ball up and
down the field. The system was perfect for him. He
understood it. It clicked, which is why I don't think

(54:10):
when he had to play, they had too much reservation
about thinking, hey, he's conceptually, he knows how to understand.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
But you know a lot of it. We can talk
about arm strength, and this and that, it doesn't matter.
You know, they're not here. If they can't get the
ball to where it needs to go, they're not going
to make the team. Yep.

Speaker 9 (54:26):
But when it comes to competitions, to me, it is
how the other ten guys in the huddle respond to
that person. If this dude has no charisma, no pizazz
and just kind of goes through the script as it is.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
But if he's like, let's go, come on, guys, we
can't have that.

Speaker 9 (54:45):
Let's get there. Okay, my bad, that's the guy. Okay,
the other guys can respect. Let's let's keep it going.
Let's have a good practice here.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
Hey, you've got to be that leader. You have got
to be the tone setter. And in this sport, you
have a quarterback or you don't. Those who do play
in the playoffs and play for the Lombardi Trophies and
those who do not are on a quest to become
one of the haves.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
And the Brown's clearly on that quest here. You've got
two rookies.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
You've got you know, we've seen what I would call
reclamation projects, you know, first round picks who maybe on
their second, third, fourth teams where it starts to click,
you know, Baker Mayfield, former Brown, Sam Darnold at Geno Smith.
You hope that maybe, okay, that could be what Kenny
Pickett is. But you've got some guys and then of
course the veteran Joe Flacco, who I think we all
know exactly what he is, and boy, he was darn

(55:32):
good with us two years ago leading this team to
the playoffs. That kind of it's gonna be interesting because
it's so many new guys that not only do they
have to show that they can do it, but they're
coming into.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
A new locker room, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
And even for Flacco, it's the NFL.

Speaker 9 (55:49):
A lot of guys who are here in twenty three
are not here, and he's a year older and the
guys coming in are a year younger.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Yeah. Look, I covered Dan Marino, you know, in his
final years in Miami.

Speaker 9 (55:59):
And when these dudes coming in this back in the day,
once again a kid's reference, I'm a boomer.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
They had big boomboxes, right, and these guys are playing like,
oh the hip hop a radis.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
Marino's like, Hey, I'm gonna go ahead and play my
AC DC and all this other stuff. If you guys
don't kill this stuff out there, They're like who so, So,
I mean that's part of it as well, But I
mean that's what makes it fun.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
For a lot of veterans and young players as well,
and that relationship.

Speaker 11 (56:21):
You know.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
I was just talking to Kevin Stefanski. He said, the
one thing that's made this quarterback competition great is the
room is so good. Like the way they relate to
each other, to the quarterback coaches, to the to the coordinators,
like they're all trying to enhance the other. And that's
the only thing you can ask for as a coach
in a situation like this.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Let's go league wide for a minute. Is there is
there We're early, right, six seven days in.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Is there a team that you start to get the
feeling we're not talking about enough there too?

Speaker 9 (56:55):
And I think Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Denver Broncos. I
think Tampa Bay. Besides the talent that they have, they
now have an established culture right transition from Bruce Arians
to Todd Bowles and now it's a place where they
expect to win right when new guys come there from
situations like coaches don't have to say anything to them
because the players will hold them to a certain standard.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Right, We're physical, we got a good quarterback.

Speaker 9 (57:19):
We're gonna be points up on offense because we built
the team through the trenches and we're not taking any
foolishness here. We've got other guys who can take your place.
If that's the case now in Denver, bo Nix is real.
Like I saw him a couple of times last year,
it was like I had no idea, like this guy
is that guy?

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Right?

Speaker 9 (57:34):
So they they've enhanced their offense or in year three,
what two or three of Sean Payton. I can't remember
three Sean Payton right, so, but his second year, so
he's gonna understand because Shawn is a very much He's
got so much stuff to throw these quarterbacks, he's gonna
understand it better. Defensively, they're one of the best defenses
in the NFL. And then they add two face mask

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benders and Dre Greenlaw and Talanoa Hufunga. They draft the
corner of Texas who's a stud I think Jade Barron,
who can play multiple positions.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
They're loaded.

Speaker 9 (58:05):
I think Denver is a team that's going to be
in it to win it all the way through the
AFC is just so so stacked, stacked, But the NFC
now too, because okay, I like the whole North, right,
But but you look at Detroit and you're like, man,
they lost. I've seen it happen with the Rams and
you have a coaching drain and one hit, you know,

(58:26):
two coordinators and five assistant coaches, you know, plus a
couple good players. But Carlton Davis is no longer there
on that corner. Yep, So are they going to be
able to handle it? Because Ben Johnson is the real deal.
I mean there were years the best defensive coordinators were like,
we can't figure out what this guy is going to
do to us. It's third and fifteen and he's coming
out with three tight ends and running it down our

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throat because we're in nickel Yeah, you know, and so
how's that.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Going to work? So the NFC is going to be
I think the Rams in the end.

Speaker 9 (58:55):
The NFC are a team to watch Adam Devonte Adams
to to Poka Nakua, those five guys up front they
have on defense, I mean, they're they're they're a real team.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
And that's one of the things that I think is
so fun about this that there are a lot of
teams that I think, you know, going into it legitimately
believe they can hoist the Lombardi Trophy. And there's a
pressure I think in this conference, in particular on Baltimore
in Buffalo, just to play for it.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Obviously to win it, but just to play for it.

Speaker 8 (59:25):
As you know Kansas City's dominance with the exception of
Joe Burrow getting through and then Brady Early, that's it, right,
I mean, and you like Denver that's in that division.
I know the Chargers certainly are believing what they're assembling
down there with John harbaughd Justin Herbert. There are a
lot of good teams our division, Baltimore, I mentioned Cincinnati,
but Joe Burrow playing that well, you can never count

(59:46):
them out. Can they get that defense, can they handle
Trey Hendrickson and get that resolved. There's just a lot
of talent.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
I notice you kind of blew over Aaron Rodgers and
the Steelers there.

Speaker 8 (59:55):
That's for give, and we don't want to get him started.
All he talks about is nachos and Pittsburgh and stop.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
All right, But but I will say another team, That's
why they do that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
But another team, I mean, let's not forget Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Of course, C C J.

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
Stroud was a kind of a down year last year.
They had some issues kind of functioning offensively. You know,
they change coordinators, they change some players up front. But defensively, man,
there might not be a more talented defense in the
NFL at.

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
Every level, and they have kind of what Tampa has.
And I think, you know, Atlanta was right there last year,
came down to the wire. But like Tampa is the
clear favorite in that division, Houston is the clear favorite
in their division. So they have in terms of when
you're talking about Denver and you think about Denver, Kansas City,
the Charges, I don't think the Raiders think they're with
Geno Smith and Pete Caroll, that they're going to be
just a throwaway.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
No, No, they're going to be better there are. That's
it to me.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
That helps to the top to bottom. Right now, it
looks like the toughest division in football West.

Speaker 8 (01:00:52):
Yeah, and I think art divisions there is going to
be pretty NFC North that is going to be the
NFC East is pretty darn good with Philly, the Fenning
Super Bowl champs in Washington and Dallas always feels like
they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I know you got to run, Steve, I'll get you,
We'll get you out of here on this one. When
you do this, are there spots that you go every
year to eat or are you looking for something different
around the country?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Is that in your head?

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
Like there are like certain there are certain cities. I'm like, okay,
I have to go, like you know, when I go
to New Orleans. You know, there's a couple of places
that'd be shy here where we walk to New Orleans,
New Orleans. Why am I blanket on this place? It's
called Fatma's right, fat m A. It's this Turkish woman,

(01:01:36):
her mother and daughter.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:01:38):
It's an old shot gun house in the Tremain neighborhood.
And it's a breakfast joint. Right, So it's kind of
like this mix of Turkish American creole simple dishes.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
Right, but it is it's memorable, right, Like I have
not heard of that join.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
Fatma. Okay, go ahead and open table at you know,
and check it, check it out. But I mean just
in certain cities like okay, some go to some let
me find yeah some. But also when I like, I'm
I go on these trips like you see, I'm down.
I'm down like like you know, and so I'm kind
of disciplined, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
But I'll get you when you're going out big every night.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
West coast to East coast, Like, oh okay, I gotta
wait until like I'm not waiting until nine o'clock Eastern
Coast time because I'm on six six o'clock Pacific time.
That jams me up a little bit. Yeah, I gotta
put an extra two thousand steps that day. You don't
have to put in any step, just stand up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Happened.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
It's like I'm back in this sound like.

Speaker 8 (01:02:35):
Wearing one of those suits. You know, the boxers are
trying to shed their water. That's just like our lives.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Good see any body appreciate you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
But there he goes Steve Wiss joining us here live
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Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
How you guys doing today? We're good?

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
How are you?

Speaker 12 (01:03:32):
You?

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
Guys look very cool out here? You do?

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Get just me walking from that gates over here drenched?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
This is this is in the brochure though, right, I mean,
you're Cleveland eighty. Isn't this what you come to expect?

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
So you know, you know it's crazy.

Speaker 17 (01:03:45):
I realized that at thirty one years old, my mindset
has totally changed.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
Back when I was banking, I would be I.

Speaker 17 (01:03:53):
Would be out there, long sleeve shirts on, all of that,
and now I can't even fathom practicing with a long
sleeve shirt on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Well, you get the breeze that way, they're on the
far field ze.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
So this is a this is very tough. This is
a tougher spot.

Speaker 8 (01:04:07):
Joe Flacco is a big deep crosser though, to Deontay Johnson,
as the ones are out there, that was a nice
ball right there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
To Deontay.

Speaker 8 (01:04:16):
Deonte's had a good couple of days here for the
last few days, and he is quite Frankly, I think
the Browns need him. Former Pro Bowl receiver, former thousand
yard receiver. You need him to step up and kind
of recapture what he had been in this league. Well,
you know, Nathan, anytime you're the thirty second ranked offense,
you need some some weapons anywhere. You know, Jerry Judy's
only one guy.

Speaker 17 (01:04:36):
Every defense is gonna come out there and the number
one person that gonna circle when that defensive coordinator get
up there, we have to stop number three. So you
gotta find another way to be effective in this Hopefully
the run game is better this year with them going back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
To Kevin's system, and if Deontay Johnson.

Speaker 17 (01:04:50):
Could get anywhere close to what he once was with
Jerry Judy taking all that attention, that will open things
up for him and David to Joe Koop, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I liked about that play. First playf eleven on eleven.
I'm not sure who the receiver was on the far side.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
But Kayden Davis run a deep post to clear out
him and a cover three clear him out and read
the deep safety. If the deep safety comes down on
the dig, you throw the posts. If the deep safety
goes back on the post, you throw that crosser over there.
And that's what they got there, which is the way
they parted. That's a good start deep and let Joe eat.
Play two was a nice run from Jerome Ford. So

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first time we've seen Jerome Ford in these team periods.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
So that is good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Still Joe, that's still still Joe Flacco and Miles Garrett.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Yeah, Garrett. That one.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
That is a quick sack for number ninety five. Who
makes a habit of that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
It's funny when of a somebody was saying, you know,
why don't they just blow the plays dead when the
sack gets there? On social media and I saw former
Browns defensive tackle Perry on Winfrey roback because if you
did that every time Miles was out there, you wouldn't
run any plays in practice.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Yeah, he's like.

Speaker 17 (01:05:55):
He's become one of those people that you just ignore,
where like it don't count, it don't even count.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
You got it, you got it. But we still need
to get to look for the quarterbacks and the running backs. Really,
if we could just move a couple of those guys,
looks like Flacco looks like a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Run to the right side. There always Ill and Samson.

Speaker 17 (01:06:12):
I've always appreciated them allowing the quarterback to throw because
the thing about being a dB is you don't really
get a lot of work, you know, if they're gonna
blow it dead or not throw the ball.

Speaker 8 (01:06:22):
And it's like, dude, that's what Kevin Sefanski says for
the quarterbacks and the receivers and the dbs to still
get those reps. And he said a lot of times, Look,
here's the other thing in practice is what people immediately
if they win off the line, they're like, oh, it's
a sack pulled up. How many times quarterbacks get out
of the plays the sack and the play extends. I mean,

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if it was just that easy, it'd be touched football.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
But it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:06:47):
Dylan Gabriel rolling to his left, nice all to Jamari
Thrash there, who's had a nice camp, and that's a
good ball right there. Dylan Gabriel is clearly comfortable throwing
on the move either direction, and I think that is
given his height, is particularly important because you're gonna have
to move the pocket, You're gonna have to get him
in space to create throwing lanes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I mean you, I'm trying to think, like, what do
you think as a percentage of snaps that he took
in his entire college career under center?

Speaker 17 (01:07:18):
Not a lot, No, I mean it's almost everybody's spread,
especially at Oregon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
He never Oklahoma. Same thing for UCF, same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So like he's he's playing under Center's a massive adjustment
for him. And I think it's something you know, Kevin
said after the draft in him he said this quite
a bit. I never saw the height thing show up
on film, but this is gonna be a different film
now because he's premiate, you know, if he's under center
versus out of the gun.

Speaker 8 (01:07:43):
I want to ask you from a dB perspective, because
there were a couple of plays yesterday where he was
behind the line and if we were in the secondary,
we were we upstand about fifteen twenty yards ahead on
this side, couldn't see him.

Speaker 17 (01:07:58):
So it's a dB that's you can't because you can't
get a red usually, you know, as a dB, especially
as a safety, if you can't see the quarterback, it's
hard to get a break on the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
So when you're playing that post safety. The thing that
I was taught.

Speaker 17 (01:08:10):
Is you you don't look at the quarterback's eyes necessary,
you read the front tip of his shoulder, because that
never lies wherever he's pointing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
That front shoulder, that's where the ball is going. But
if you can't see that front shoulder, how can.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
You ever get a jump on the ball?

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
I was wondering about that because I thought it was interesting.
I thought it'd be hard for really everybody on all
sides of it, hard for him if if I can't
see him, he probably can't see me. But I thought
it would be interesting. Right, you're getting no reading. He
might not even know where it is. Has he broken
out of Is he even in the pocket anymore?

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Yet?

Speaker 17 (01:08:38):
I'm sure he got an advantage on that, but also
it's a disadvantage because sure so he can't probably see
over the line as well, So he will have to
find a way to either he's got to have great
chemistry with his guys where he throws the ball and
knows that's where they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Be rolling out. Less he's very comfortable in that. I
don't you know, you got to move the.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
Pocket out of move it or you have to have
very specific to create that lane, like we saw in
that slant where they kicked out on the outside and
went down on the inside of the line right there
to create that lane, and he was able to drill
it right out there. But he's off to a very
good start today. Every ball he's thrown it has certainly
been a completion and on the move. Moving to his
left obviously much more natural for him as a left

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handed quarterback, and the talent.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Is in space.

Speaker 8 (01:09:22):
He could throw the football. Yes, he does not throw
the football. Size does not translate into his arm strength.
His arm strength is very very What the.

Speaker 17 (01:09:30):
Good thing about him is he he throws the intermediate
route very well, which in Kevin's system big throwing a
lot of over routes.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
Listen and brock Perty is not big. But he could
work the middle of the field, work those intermediates, work
those play actions. Chadure drifting out to his right, checks
it down on the flat there. Look like Jerome Ford. Yep,
trum Ford ran over somebody on the side. He's excited
to be back. He's like, I didn't get the day
in pads yesterday, but I'm gonna run you over right here.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Ty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
How did you during your career as you bounced around
and everybody wants reps. Yeah, and you're never getting enough reps.
When you saw the guys who were really good at
it of being ready without getting all the reps that
you want, is there a common denominator that you saw
in terms of being right without getting all the reps
you need.

Speaker 17 (01:10:18):
I mean, there's always film, and that's the thing when
you're a young guy, you're not getting the reps. First
of all, my time in Seattle, I was behind Earl Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
So Earl.

Speaker 17 (01:10:27):
Earl was one of the guys that during OTAs, hey,
young guy, go get them reps. Go get them reps.
Even during camp, go get you some of them reps.
When he sees it came around, he didn't come out.
You'd be like the coach would be like, hey, typers,
go in there and get Earl. For two or three plays,
Earl will wave you off like, nah, I'm not coming out.
So you would have to get You would have to
just watch him and watch the tape and be able

(01:10:48):
to be like, all right, that's what he's seeing. This
is why he did what he did. But as far
as the physical reps go, you got to get them all. Now,
this is the time to get them.

Speaker 8 (01:10:55):
Yeah, when you have a rookie Carson Sweessnger, who's gonna
probably be the green dot be or Mike linebacker typus,
that's the quarterback of the defense. That's the one who
gets in the you know, the check in checkout game
with the quarterback. What do you what would tell you
that he is ready to lead this defense because that
is a big, big responsibility for a young player.

Speaker 17 (01:11:16):
So I had the luxury of playing with a linebacker
that some people consider the best in the league today.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
His name is Fred Warner. Yep, right, So Fred.

Speaker 17 (01:11:25):
When he first got to San Francisco, the one thing
they said about Fred was wait till you get out
on the field. He is so loud and he is
correct about everything. He will get you lined up and
you will not miss a call.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
And I'm like this the young guy.

Speaker 17 (01:11:39):
Okay, so we get out there. Fred was just locked in,
like he just knew he was calling out what was coming,
all of those things. If Carson Schweessinger gets that, that,
you're talking about a guy you better watch out for.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Because if anything, I've looked at a guy like j Ok.

Speaker 17 (01:11:54):
Before Jok's injury, he was playing some of the best
linebacker ball. I have ever his instincts in the way
he was able to dissect the play before the ball
was snapped was out of this world. If Carson Sweesser,
Jim Schwartz can get with him an M linebacker, coaches
can get with Carson Swetchester and he could see the
game like j Oka did and be able to call

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on the defense. You're talking about a guy that's gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Be all pro.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yeah, they're excited about it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Tuk with Jason Tarvor after practice yesterday and he was
showing me some reps of Sweestngers and he's he is
very excited about the potential. How quickly he does not
make the same mistake twice. He's not afraid to ask questions,
but he doesn't make the same mistake twice. Physical we
saw that yesterday on the play in the hole with
Dylan Sampson. There By the way the Browns concluded that
eleven on eleven period, she dre rolled out right and

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found Gage Lardavan, who's been another one of those young
guys that's continued to make plays for this football team.
So the ball, I don't know that there was an
incompletion there. We can't we do not have a perfect view,
but Flacco did not throw in I don't believe. Gabriel
threw one and Shador looked like he was three for three.
Then Black Flacco threw the ball away one time, threw
it away.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Yes, you're right now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
He was sack long ago.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
The miles.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
That was the miles exactly. So a good another good
session right there. Obviously, wish they were a little closer
to us here today, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, the first couple of days they've been right here
in Rice on the near field.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
They are on the far west field, which is also
furthest away from the fans as well, so that you
got you got.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
To even the grass. I know, play on this grass,
let breathe go to it up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Quite honestly, they should ask our opinion before doing anything
around here, quite honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Don't you think give me give me just kid.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
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Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
People are fired up about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
They are you know, he does this thing where he
walks out with like a local celebrity at everyone, like
a legend.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Is that Miles, Where are we are we around on
the fifteenth or sixteenth?

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Well we are not. In fact, we will be in Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
You're in Philly.

Speaker 8 (01:14:48):
We're gonna miss both nights. It's Friday, Saturday. We play Saturday.
Maybe you could maybe get back for Saturday.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
Maybe, but no.

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
And in Wisconsin he walked out with far Yes, but
war the Hof seventy two Wisconsin, which was a big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Yeah, very big way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Hof was an attendant said, what the heck, what the heck,
what the heck? Man, This is great, pretty cool. Yeah,
Wisconsin Hall of Famer. He's in Many.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Hall of Fames.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
He's in a great Many Hall of Fames, a great
Many Hall of its. Hence the Hoff.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Yeah, he's the Hof, the Hoff, that's why.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, So we had some eleven on eleven work and uh,
now again, I gotta be honest with you. I think
Kevin should ask us before he starts going on those
far fields. It's a little bit more difficult to take
it in, you know what I wanted to talk about.
We didn't just talk about this yesterday. And Tyers s
pals with us as well. Mason Graham with the pads
on looks great, they say, he's got like a really

(01:15:49):
quick burst he does. Yeah, he's quick. He's quick, and
you could start to see it with the pads on.
You're like, okay, well I see, we saw it, did.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Uh I know?

Speaker 17 (01:15:59):
Yeah, I don't even and talk about it, but you
we've seen it before, We've seen his work.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Were very familiar with Gay, very familiar with his operation.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
It's a good operation.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Yeah it is, it is, Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
So this is Little Kick Return, the new Kick Return
Special Teams, which is really kind of like a running play.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Do you remember these gnats growing up here, Tymas, these
little gnats were dealing with that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
No, but it's it's very annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
It's a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Yeah, it's a problem. Is like a bug zapp were
out here or something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Gerd got himself some he got he got sprayed up
over there.

Speaker 8 (01:16:33):
I think can we get one of those cool like
blue lights remember when you were a kid and you have.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
The blue lights here?

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
It just hang one right here would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
I think those things are last day out here until Friday.
Oh yeah, that's right because to morning morning show from
the a C two.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
Shows, well that one what.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Oh yeah, you'll be down with you, you'll be kicking
me off day.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I'm getting I'm seeing you a lot this week, way
more than i'd like.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Thursday and Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Yeah, a little bit of special teams work over there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
I feel like this was going on before when you
are yea, it was. It was started before when we
went to break.

Speaker 8 (01:17:18):
Yeah, if you're a team that in I think this
is a fair assessment of the situation when you are
a team that is going to be built on good defense,
potentially elite defense, ground game play, action shots off that
don't beat yourself on offense. I mean, I don't think
we're gonna be a team that's consistently putting up thirty
five a game. But we can be efficient operators. You

(01:17:40):
have got to be at worse neutral and probably better
than neutral. You've got to be plus on special teams
if you want to be a team that can win
maybe more games than the perception of you going into
the season will be.

Speaker 17 (01:17:54):
Well, when you look at the last couple of years,
we haven't really had no explosiveness on special teams nothing, yep.
I think the best the biggest play that I can
recall is in the preseason game, somebody hits somebody and
calls the fumble, but it got like called back for
some reason.

Speaker 8 (01:18:09):
It was no It was in Jacksonville and it was
Winston reed and hop had gone over.

Speaker 17 (01:18:18):
So we haven't really had those type of plays on
special teams. And another thing we got to really fix
this year is the turnovers.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Like for the past couple of years has been.

Speaker 8 (01:18:30):
Turnovers and penalties. And I go back to I believe
this was last year. Man, it all runs together in Washington.
We played Washington last year early in the season. We
had to play where we started off first and goal
on the one, and we ended up kicking a field
goal from like the twenty because it was like penalty penalty, sack, penalty, penalty,
penalty kickfield goal. Yeah, it's about right, and I think
two of the players were actually touchdowns that were taking

(01:18:51):
to the board like, man, we never have good it
is our nation's capital give correct.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
But other than other than one good half of football
from Deshaun Watson, have we done anything in that city
in twelve years?

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
And to be fair, you didn't do anything in that
city anyway, because you're in landover right.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Correct. My guess is you never might be. Why I'm
angry that I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
You don't need to stay at the University of Maryland
football team sucks. I already know that.

Speaker 17 (01:19:23):
Guess where I'm opening up the tailgate show this year,
the University of Maryland.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
They'll be excited. They usually show up in the tens
and thousands.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Congratulations later success.

Speaker 17 (01:19:31):
The last time I went to Maryland, that's the first
and that's the one and only time I seen Coach
Meyer like upset because when we walked in, When we
walked into the stadium, the students section was like kind
of they are already and when we walked.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Past, they told they was chatting over rated.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
Oh he was like hot about not having it, like
we're overrated. I'll show you overrated, man, that's what gets you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
That's fourteen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Uh yeah, I think what did you hang on them?
I don't even remember to score to that game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I just know fourteen part so that I was at
that game. That was the first ever Big Ten game
at the University of Maryland. They gave them you guys
as the opponent, and I'll never forget. My big argument
was always to Geene Smith was you've added two programs
that do not fit this league and that do not
care about football. And his argument was, well, yeah, but

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they're gonna care about football and those markets will rally
behind because the Big Ten's coming to town. Well, you
could have got a ticket for about eight bucks to
go into that game. And I'll never forget. And this
was newspapers are still pretty relevant at that time. Yeah,
the Washington Post that day had about that much on
page six of you guys coming to town and Maryland playing.

(01:20:50):
The opener did not care, the district didn't care. It
was so it was like everything that they hoped would happen.
It was Baltimore, it was ravens Uh at the time, Redskins,
it was nationals Orioles.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
That was the whole sports page.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
And they had a little gray up if I were
about the first Big ten game, I remembering directly.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
They had Stepan Diggs and DJ Moore at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Well, the Stefan digs part of it because Urban wanted
him bad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I know, like he went as much as he could. Yeah,
and you know they they they lost him, but he was.
He really thought he could be like the Harvin kIPS,
like we could be getting back to little little seven
on seven.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Can I interest you in fifty two twenty four, five
hundred and thirty three yards of offense for the Buckeyes,
four interceptions, Ray Kwon, McMillan, Doreyan Grant de Lee, and
Eli Apple.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
Two minute drill, seven on seven. Flacco out there with
the ones. First one was just an underneath completion.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
But then they're going so we got a chance for
them to actually get into our view. Flacco checks out
to the sidelines. Drobe Ford looks like he picks up
first down and gets out of bound. So Kevin Stancy
said today a lot of situational work Uh, then you
note Timee his situational football teams that are the best
teams in two minute going into the half and at
the end of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Our teams that went a lot of football games.

Speaker 17 (01:22:01):
Yeah, that's a fact. You got to be locked in
from a defensive standpoint. You don't want nothing to go
over your head. But you don't want to be like
laxadaisical either.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
You gotta be on it.

Speaker 17 (01:22:09):
You know, you got to be aware for those double
moves though, and you got to understand how many time
Mouse teams got because that would dictate the routes that
you're gonna get. Usually they want to get guys out
of bound, so it's a lot of seven cuts or
corner routes.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
As you would know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Flacco over the middle there Harold Fannon.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
So it's back to back completions fan and Fannon has
absolutely been a standout early in this camp. I believe
that he is going to play a very big role
on this team. Gibbe has yet to show him his
bgsu pin though, which is sad, sad, so hopefully that
that moment will come.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
That's not good, that's not good.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
Who is it? Who is that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I don't think it's Denzel. Isn't Denzel. Yeah, defense, it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
It could be on the other side. I think it
might be.

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Don't want to oopthesizes m J. Yeah, yep, there's the
number one man. They went over to it quick. Denzel
went right over. Ronnie went right over to He's still
down on the Oh no.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
Oh God, and a hush has fallen over the Cross
Country Mortgage campus, and justifiably so.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
M j Emerson, who has worked so hard.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
The frustration for him is pretty real. You seem he's.

Speaker 8 (01:23:15):
Yeah, he looks like his left leg and it does
not look good, which would be a huge blow to
this football team, huge blow for m J Emerson entering
in his fourth season.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Now over he.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I mean, they're running, it's seven on seven, it's it's
two minute, it's quick, and it wasn't near the play
was it was adjacent. I mean the play kind of
went that way but stopped. He was really into it. Yeah, no,
that's this does not look good. Everybody's taken to knee here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
I mean, he just has worked so hard in such
a massive year.

Speaker 8 (01:23:54):
They say he did a lot of soul searching after
last season. Do everything he can to get himself back
to being the guy that you know look to be
on an elite trajectory. Twenty nine passes broken up his
first two years. He had four interceptions that two years ago.
Last year was a bit of a down season. Everybody
moving away from him now and looks like they're bringing

(01:24:14):
a cart down from Jammerson. And this is Ceahra the
way that he acted, both in terms of the visible
frustration and moves he was making the players know be
Lynch was over there with him.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
This makes me sick.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
I love m j Emmerson as soon as I saw
him down and I saw him pounding the turf, and
then I saw how quickly Denzel Ward got right over
there and was down with him on a knee. You
see the severity, and then you just see the reactions.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
You hate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
You pray for the best in these situations and you
hope not. But so many of these people know what's
going on, and when you see.

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
This, I hope what happened down and is what happened
in Dallas where they thought Geyton had torn his acl
and then Mr I revealed that it was not it
was a different injury, and so that's certainly all you
can help.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
This non contact.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
I don't even think he was near it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
He was adjacent.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Running here, man, like there's no there's no contact here.
It's just going through. You're going full speed.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
But I love m.

Speaker 8 (01:25:16):
Jammerson, one of the best guys on this team. Even
last year in the midst of his struggles, kind of
sit sat down to me and gave me like twenty
five minutes and really opened up about what he was feeling.
And here's one of the parish realities of the National
Football League is he is going to be carted off
and practice will continue. And now the Browns cornerback room looks,
if it is the worst, significantly different than it did

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a second ago. M j Emerson was a guy that
I think was on a Pro Bowl trajectory, certainly has
that talent in him.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Worked so hard there.

Speaker 8 (01:25:44):
This was a big season coming up, big season for him,
big season for his family, big season fighting all of it. Yeah,
and he has been taken now over here to our left,
he'll be taken into the fieldhouse, towel over his head
and he can tell he's emotional.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
And this makes me sick.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
That's heartbreaking. Is that's heart breaking.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
You see how fragile.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
This is right though, thinking everything you guys that do this,
and and then all of a sudden you're right back
out there. You've got more plays and and you go
about it. But this, this is going to change a lot.
Dylan Gabriel running with the twos now as they continue.

Speaker 17 (01:26:23):
But it's always tough to uh go on after that,
especially when it's a player at that caliber.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Yeah, this is I mean, and this.

Speaker 8 (01:26:33):
Cast a whole different tenor over this if if, if
it is what it appears to be, you know, God
please now, like I'll say, I love him ja Emerson
as a person, Forget him as a football player. He
is the second he was drafted. He and I have
just always like clicked and my heart breaks for him.

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If this is what it appears to be. And defensively,
now this is a strength you know is the secondary
And it was going to be MJ and Denzel and
Greg and now you know, Cam Mitchell is gonna have
to step up. You're gonna have to get other guys
on the outside to have to step up. Chickse enusium.
This is and this is unfortunately the harsh reality of
the NFL. But you think about right now, let's just

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take ourselves back July a few months ago.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
God, it's July.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
We haven't it's just happened.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
It's July.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
And all this stuff that you thought you were gonna
have and you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
Already reminds me of Grant Delpit being here, Grant Delpit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Going That's that's what I didn't want to even say
it reminded me of because that happened, and we were.

Speaker 8 (01:27:32):
Like, wait was Grant and Greedy Williams who was in
ever the same same day that day out here in Maria.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
But yeah, we'renes lie.

Speaker 8 (01:27:38):
But if you think about this defense, you know it
was supposed to be your starting linebackers Jordan Hicks and
j ok Yeah, m j Emerson a corner and now
three big pieces of what were you're eleven? You know,
two of them we know for sure. Jordan Hicks is
retired and good for him. J Okay we know is

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not gonna play this year. And just that just had
all the look and again that do you hope that
it's an emotional rate? You hope it's wrong, But that
had all the look of that being not insignificant.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
You've you've been through enough of these, we've been through
enough of these practices. Usually the body language is right,
yes it is, you know what I mean, God, that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Really sucks. That's you know, success for this team. And look,
this is kind of proves like just how this world is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Like you're right back to it and and we're still
out there practicing. Guys are out there and you got
to just brush it off and move on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
But it's in the back of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Your head for the rest of this practice for sure,
and for the rest and just from a the needle
that was going to have to be threaded for this
team to have success was entirely or mostly dependent on
a defense that was top five or six in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Yes, and you you just outline it in terms of
what you thought you would have.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
And now I mean for the Jok thing, but I
mean Hicks and potentially Emerson in the first week of practice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
Yeah, two of you are eleven at the onset of camp.

Speaker 17 (01:29:12):
Is one of those things that every time you come
back from them six weeks off, the harsh reality is
somebody is going to go down.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
You just hope he's not severe. But in this case,
he is in such great shape.

Speaker 8 (01:29:26):
He worked so hard he wanted to prove to himself,
prove to this organization that he is a cornerstone. And
you know, I think of it because I love him
as a guy, but you think this, this is they're big.
If he's out this year, big financial ratifications, you'll be
a free age at the end of the year. Obviously,
I think he would stay here in Cleveland, but he
had a chance to go to the Pro Bowl this
year and collect big money.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
He's got the size, he's got all of it. So
hoping for the best here. Love you, MJ.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
And it'll be the That's gonna be the story today.
The injury to MJ.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Emerson happened about ten minutes ago. Next level is coming
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