Reacting to the Owner's Meeting Rule Decisions - Cleveland Browns Daily - 5.21.25

On today's episode of CBD, the guys discuss some changes from the NFL owner's meeting (25:51, 56:02) and hear from rookie QB Shedeur Sanders (1:13:55).

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:02):
I am merely Bo.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
He is the great z stoic stoic. Oh, no, rain,
stay away? Well I took I took a photo. Let's
go ach you, weather boy.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
What does it say the way put some respect on
the name because it nailed it yesterday at three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
ACU weather, Oh, you had.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Like five drops on your windshield. I got nothing till
five thirty when I not.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
At your house, Gibbet, we're doing this from here. Remember
we set that that's it has to be this place
and at this place. It said it's gonna rain at
three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
The wrath of God is coming now. Well now weather says,
so or so you're back.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
We're supposed to tell ye never been gone rain in
twelve that mine says at three ten, which is our
are the time of the great match. It looks like
it's going to rain for two straight hours. But I'm
not afraid, dude, I am not minutes here. I'm not afraid.
Minutes is what we're looking at. I am not afraid
ms likely.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
For the next several hours, gusty wins and small hail.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Not afraid give it today. I'm trying to. That's why
he doesn't. This is my this is my last day.
He's getting ready to go to Italy. He doesn't care
at all. Big you got your big Italy adventures point
of you. Yeah, he doesn't care. I do care. No,
he's like, I line you to get rained.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
I do care.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
However, you're leaving your job thirty minutes early to go
play in a match that I don't think is going
to happen.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
No, that's also true. That's a lock. It stinks.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
The crazy thing is in the Oh my god, Yeah,
you have no chance.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
If this show were to change times, it's exactly someday.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
There's a line of this morning you.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Could have if that, if that would ever have happened,
I wouldn't have been able to play this morning.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
As it turns out, When is your match? Three ten?
Three ten? Is your match? Yep? What do you ar?
Pr department everything? Three ten?

Speaker 6 (02:59):
That'd be three h two three oh five three three.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
You got, You're done.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean you got lightning and and then it's right
back at it at four seventy one percent.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, I mean it's you got lightning, buddy.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But after five rain, it's the lightning. Then you should
be free wheeling after that.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, but if you get a heavy rain, is it
going to shut it down? It's just going to depend
on drainage. This stinks, buddy. I guess it means is
you'ren animal.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
We're gonna be your spirit animal has strip, all right,
So that explains that's outrageous to be getting strap Memorial
Day week, dude.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
I'm on, I'm affected right now by the change in
the temperature and theometric pressure.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Both of you possibly being infected before I get on
a plane.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
So you're gone. It's you, of course getting sick. You're
you're not gonna get sick.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
You're going and then you're gonna you're gonna soak in
the rays of the Mediterranean.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Yeah, just because I gave you, just because I gave
you a couple of kisses, get you ready for Italy?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
It doesn't mean anything. He'll be fine. When do you
fly tomorrow?

Speaker 7 (04:05):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Tomorrow night, tomorrow night? Yeah know who I's on the airport?
I don't.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
The other day coming home from uh.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
O'Hare and we had it.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
We shared a nice embrace, the high five and said
he's doing great, cream hunt.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
How about it? Well, well, how about it? It's just
walking right down the Yeah. There it is a native
of the area. Yeah. Well, that's good to see. That's
very good to see. Can we say this out loud?
Who's going to be on with us? Do we have
an exact time so I can say told?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
His people have confirmed the kid kid is currently faking
an illness to get out of a meeting that he's
currently in so that he can be dialed in it
one twice.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Is his favorite athlete of all time?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Well, I think if you are a Michigan fan, he
would be. And I think even if you are not
a Michigan fan, he is on a shortlist of the
coolest college football players of all time, and he's going
to be uh. He is a limited partner in ownership
with us. Woodson joined the program at one twenty.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
That's right, limited partner with the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Then I say, anytime that you can add and how
many people, bo Bichamp, I feel like you'd be the
right person to ask this, how many people have pulled
off the following.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Heisman?

Speaker 6 (05:19):
College national champion, super Bowl champion and then in his
case first ballot but Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
All right, so you need national champion, Heisman, Okay, super
Bowl champ and in the Hall you need to start.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You're gonna need to start with the jumping off point
for this is going to be the Heisman, and then
you're going to cross reference Heisman's I feel like with
with national champions.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Is Marcus Allen Heisman?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Marcus Allen did win the Heisman, they did win a
national championship, they did win a super Bowl, and he
did make it walk it right into the Hall of
Fame on the first ballot. May Tony dor Set won
a Heisman. Pitt did win a national championship. Was he
there when they won it? I would think he would
have had to have been. And then uh, yeah, I'm

(06:11):
pretty sure that's Johnny Major's and then yes, he would
be Hall of Fame and he would be a super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
So it's gonna be easier with the running back. It's
gonna be a little bit different with the the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Champ, national champion.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Did he win a national title at Pitt Let's see,
that's the one that's that's kind of out there in
terms of it's easier to do this, Like if you
just had I think the easiest way to do this is.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
All right?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So I to me, the uh, I mean I do
we don't want to do all this stuff from like
the thirties, No nonsensical.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
So Marcus Allen, Yes, Marcus Allen did win and and
he did did Tim Brown? Tony dor Set? Was it one?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
That heisman at it in nineteen seventy six? Notre name
didn't win a national title when Tim Brown was there?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
No One.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
No, they won it the year after he left. He
was there in eighty seven. They won it in eighty eight.
Was that Pitt one? Was that rocket went number one
in nineteen seventy six and they were national champions?

Speaker 7 (07:18):
All right?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
So Tony Dorssett and Marcus Allen are are your guys
on that.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Chuck? He would he's probably gonna be. He definitely was
gonna be the only defensive player.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Hersha Walker is not in the Hall of Fame, and
I don't think he won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Earl Campbell won a national title?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
No, none for bow. The Hall of Fame part is
the other real tricky one.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's a big part. So gosh, what I don't know?

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Talk about like a not great pro stretch for the
Heismans Winky in two thousand, Eric Crouch two thousand and one,
Carson Palmer Good two thousand and two, Jason White two
thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
They won a.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Whole stretch for they just gave it to best quarterback,
quarterback on best team. Was kind of their thing. And
then it flipped. It really flipped with Reggie won.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
It did, did Derek Mark Ingram won a national title? Though? No, no, no,
nor would he be. But he is. He's quite eligible.
I think, don't you think Ingram five years out? Is
he five?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I don't think he's five years out already. Maybe I
could be wrong. Yeah, it probably is because he's been
on Fox.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
For a while. Three years out. Will not be a
Hall of Famer though.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
No Cam Newton, Oh no, no Super Bowl, No Super Bowl,
played for one but didn't win one.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
It's uh, off the top of my head, I think
Famous doesn't have a super Bowl and he's not a
second Famer Derrick Henry.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
So it needs the super Bowl, needs the super Bowl.
He won a national title at Bama. Yep.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Yeah, so he needs this, He needs the super Bowl.
It's a small row burrowed the super Bowl. It's a
very small list. I mean right now, from what we
can tell, it's a list of three. Yes, it's a
great bar question with your friends. And he will Here's
the other thing.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
He will be forever.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
And I feel confident saying this. He will forever be
the only defensive player to do it.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Uh, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
And Dominican Sue got very close, Manti Tao finished second,
Chase Young was a finalist. They've gotten close. We're more
we're more open to it than we've ever been over
the last ten or fifteen years to the best player.
The thing you have to remember about Chuck is Putt
returned too, and he did play offense, not like Travis Hunter,

(09:49):
but he knew to play offense.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
But the other part of it is on a team
that the best player is a defensive player.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
It feels to me in the future of college.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Football as it evolves and there's so much scoring, it's
hard for me to imagine if like that the Heisman
Trophy winner being on a national championship team as a
defensive player.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Oh, quarterback difficult, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chase Young was probably
the close. If Chase Young, Chase Young was suspended for
two or three games in twenty nineteen, he would not
have won it because Burrow did what he did in
nineteen and so he wouldn't have got Therey. But he
finished I think third or fourth in the balloting and
he missed some games. That's probably close. Yeah, you're right,

(10:29):
it's the highs. If your point is I thought when
you said that, either think that no other defensive player
will ever win the Heisman.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
No to do this?

Speaker 6 (10:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, that to do he might be the
only one ever ever to do that.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I mean, it's pretty wild that you don't have a
quarterback who's done it. Now, you got a chance with Burrow.
Burrow's the best chance. He's your best chance coming for that,
and he's certainly on a Hall of Fame trajectory.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Because I mean as good as for example, Jayden Daniels
after one year looks amazing, but didn't win a national title.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
No, I mean, yeah, that's that fans already done so
and Cam will be an interesting Hall of Fame kind
of guy. Yeah, so that's it. So it's the nation,
it's the national champion. The idea that there's not a
quarterback who's done it, and Burrow, if he keeps playing,
will be a hoff And then.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
He also needs that Super Bowl. I mean, if you know,
there's no point going way back.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
But I'm trying to see if we could find somebody
that would maybe like Paul Horning probably did it.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
No, he won the Heis when they were had a
losing record.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
At Notre Dame when he won the Heighsman. All right,
so that's not to say that they didn't win a Heisman.
Earlier on in his career.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Stopback definitely win and won a national title at Navy. No,
he did not.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So No, No, I did not know Roger Staubach was
from Ohio either. Did you know that Gibb I did not.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, here's one.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Here's one, because I know he won a super Bowl,
but I would have It would be very hard for
me to think that he won the national championship at
Stanford Jim Plunkett.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
No, he did not win the national title. So that's it.
We got the list.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, I mean you could go, I don't know anything
like about Johnny lou Jack or you know, Doc Blanchard, Like,
did Johnny Jack win a title with I'm sure he
won a national title at Notre Dame and he won
a Heisman at Notre Dame. Did he also win like
a super Bowl or a championship with the Bears? I
have no idea, but that's how far back you gotta
go to find it.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
They just aren't any never know, no championships in the.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I feel pretty good about that that it's that it's
those three. That it's Dorset, door set, Alan and Woodson
College football.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Nate is pretty proud that he threw out Alan in
Dorset as the Yeah, it's a good job. It's a
very good job.

Speaker 6 (12:32):
You pretty proud the football naturally come along, you're tutelage.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm like, you do what you can. Yeah, that's that's
the list. That is the very very short list. Is
really the only one.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
He's the only one who's got a chance, that has
a chance, certainly the only quarterback.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
But I think he's really kind of the He's the
only one period that has a chance.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Right Hunter, non national champion, Daniel's not national champ being
williams On.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
National champion Bryce Young, he won a national? No, he
did not, They did not win a national. Titme DeVante Smith.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
He's got a super Bowl, He's got a Heisman, and
DeVonta Smith did.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
He did win a national, So he has a chance.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
He's he needs to become a Hall of Famer, which
feels a bit far fetched.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
But I don't think Bryce Young was on Alabama in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
I don't think he was Young was their national champion
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes he was, Okay, so he was on, but that
was mac Joe. Mac Jones was the quarterback, so he
was the backup that year.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
So he's got a chance, a chance, I mean, it's
far fetched. He's a long ways from.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Burrow needs a Super Brrick Henry is close.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Burrow needs a super Bowl. DeVante Smith needs to make
the Hall of Fame. Bryce Young still needs a super
Bowl and Hall of Fame. Derrick Henry will just need
a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
He just needs a super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah, Derrick Henry could join this list, which would be amazing.
Three running backs and then check you. That's why Chuck
you would is such an outlier. I have, not that
I still donned my jerseys, but I have a number
two Michigan, Yeah, Chuck you wood Navy.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And then I have because he just looked so good
in it.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
I have the Raiders, the Silver and Black twenty one.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Because he was so he looked so good as a Raider. Yeah,
everybody does.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Yeah, and then he ended up being the with the Packers,
and then I love that he came back to the
Raiders at the end of his career.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah. He won Defensive Player of the Year in Green Bay.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Won DEFENSEI Player of the Year in Green Bay in
two thousand and nine, led the NFL with nine picks
and three picks sixes that year nine they got him
at nine times. His last year in the league, at
the age of thirty nine, the age of thirty nine,
he had five picks and was a second team All
Pro and a Pro bowler.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I just thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I just had this conversation last night with my buddy Kyle,
who's a big Michigan guy and loves Woodson and all
of that it is so incredibly for fortunate that he
had the career he had, because there's never a conversation
about that the Heisman, and he was the right guy
to get it, for sure, but there was so much

(15:12):
for Peyton Manning to win it that year and the
finalists were Manning, Randy Moss, Ryan Leith, and Chucky Woods.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
That that's it. That's your four.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, and that's that's a wild amount of talent with
three of them.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Gold jackets, like first ballot, first ballot in the game.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Absolutely, those three guys are in the ultimate game of
all time. But no one ever talks about it because
of how great Woods, not only how great Woodson was
in college, like you think of the Michigan that's it,
it's him, but then he backed it up by being
a first ballot off yep in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
YEP. I mean, that's just.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
A remarkable, remarkable career, one of the great careers in
football history, as is very obvious. So he'll be joining
us here in about five minutes from now. A couple
of things really quickly from the NFL owners meetings. The
tush push remains, of course, of course, I can't believe
twenty two people voted against it. Honestly, I just don't understand,

(16:04):
Like it's if you just stop it or you.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Do it, it's ridiculous. Agreed, So they're better at it.
Then they wanted to just ban all pushing. And I
said on the show, it takes play that awesome play
in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
No good, Yeah, fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
So we have a little bit of sanity remaining at
the NFL owners meetings.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
We'll have more in those a little bit later on.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Here's something from mL Football, and I don't know if
this is real or not, but the NFL is implementing
the Protector of the Year award, which the offensive line
haff is like an eight time winner of that award.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
I was going to ask at some point in the show,
how many do you think he would have won.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Half Protector of the Year?

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, seven, a lot, like probably every year he was
the first team.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think it would have won a lot of them,
is the answer on that. Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Other breaking news just in from Adam Schefter Hard Knocks
training camp. This year, no one circles the wagons like
the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's gonna be fun. Pressure cooker, pressure cooker.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's only gonna be fun if Allan is a big
time participant.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
He's got to be. We didn't have to be.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
We had a hard knocks here and our people weren't
so like I know, but like Rogers. It was the
Rogers Show a couple of years ago in New York.
So like, how big of a role?

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Because that's all anyone's gonna want to see is the
Allen stuff.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
You're gonna want to see Alan, You're gonna want to
see just kind of some of the you know, McDermott's
kind of under fire for some of the things that
he has said and certainly done over the last few years.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think you don't want to see that.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
And then I think you're gonna want to get a
sense of like we said, they're under more pressure. Like
I think it'll be palpable if this is a team
that is feeling the heat or is just like it's
super Bowl or bust period, Like this season is a
failure if we do not win the super Bowl, which
is tough to say, you got to get there. To me,
it seems like it should be a failure for them
if they don't get there.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be good they'll do a good job
with that. Perhaps the man who burst this show from
his loins will be featured prominently.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I'd love to see it.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Love to see the great Vic in the mix. One
of the all time greats, Charles woods are going to
join the program. Coming up next Shuals to Cleveland Browns Daily.
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Speaker 1 (18:42):
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Speaker 2 (19:13):
All Right, Welcome back in Cleveland Brown's Daily fifty ESPN Cleveland.
The announcement came officially? Was it Monday? Where we got
the official Charles Woodson announcement? Was that Monday night?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Was it yesterday when it came official?

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yesterday?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Officially? Yesterday?

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Two?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yesterday?

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, after we got there, Yeah, yesterday it was okay, Yeah,
I forget which one.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Was with, Well, we got it. Z was on his
golf trip last week. Yeah, and Diana Russini reported.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
It right, right, yeah, Yeah, that's right, that's right. That's
what I remember.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
All right, So you have some you have some comments there, buddies,
we wait hopefully Charles Woodsen.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Joining us I do.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Here's what Cleveland Brown's managing and principal partners d and
Jimmy Haslam had to say. Quote, Charles has left an
incredible legacy on the field, forever engraving himself as one
of the greatest collegiate NFL players of all time. But
the work he's continued to do off the field and
his entrepreneurial spirit emphasize what a great fit he is
for our organization as he is an Ohio native. We're
so thrilled to have Charles on board as a limited

(20:09):
partner of the Cleveland Browns because he knows how much
football means to this community. We know he will be
instrumental in helping shape the future of the club through
his insight and leadership, and we're looking forward to having
him as a part of our ownership.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Ownership group number one. I think it's great.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
I mean the fact you can just have like Charles
Woodson come and speak to your team and be here
and just be around whenever he wants.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
If we're able to connect with him. I mean, one
of the things that I'm curious about is how much involvement.
Does he want to have what will he be at camp?
Will he jump in position drills? Remember ver Abel just
jumping in with things like yeah, you know, like how
much how much steake are you going to have in it?
I mean, I think all of those things are very
I think it's a really cool thing the NFL does
to first of all, and we'll hopefully talk to Charles

(20:52):
about this, but like how this process went of, like hey,
I'd like to get into ownership and then kind of
that process that he went through to eventually land here
in his home state with the Browns.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
But it's yeah, it's a really cool thing.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's kind of a this is kind of a layup
for the Browns and for ownership to bring on somebody
of this regard.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, it's phenomenal, phenomenal for the Browns, said Charles Woodson quote.
Growing up in Fremont, Ohio, it was a dream come
true to play in the National Football League. In my
wildest childhood dreams, I never considered the opportunity to become
a limited partner of an NFL team, let alone the
Cleveland Browns and my home state of Ohio. It is
among my greatest honors to join the Haslm and Johnson
families and the entire Haslm Sports Group to become a

(21:30):
limited partner of the Cleveland Browns, one of the NFL's
most storied franchises.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Over the last year, I've enjoyed.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Getting to know the leadership team at the Browns, and
I'm excited about the opportunity to be part of the
bright future for this team and to help you a
resource for the entire organization as well as the NFL.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I want to thank d and.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Jimmy Haslm for providing me this amazing opportunity, and Derreck
Haggans for presenting this rare opportunity to me and facilitating
the process. We talked about Charles Woodson and it was
one of the three players to do that quadruple there. Yeah,
Heisman National champion in college, Super Bowl champion, and of
course Hall of Fame or He was Ohio's Mister Football

(22:05):
in nineteen ninety four. Then at Michigan he won the
Heisman Trophy award in ninety seven, led the nineteen ninety
eight CO National champion Wolverines team. Drafted as a fourth
overall pick in the ninety eight NFL draft eighteen seasons
in the NFL, nine time Pro Bowler, three time First
Team All Pro, Defensive Rookie the Year, Defensive Player of
the Year, and a Super Bowl champion. Holds a record
for the most consecutive seasons with an interception return for

(22:25):
a touchdown with six, tied for the most career defensive
touchdowns in NFL history with thirteen sixty five crew interceptions.
He was inducted in Pro Football Hall of Fame in
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, it's I think any time you can get a guy.
I mean, it's interesting because of the ties to the
state of Tennessee. There was a time when the Haslms
first had ownership of the Browns that Peyton Manning was
constantly yep linked, and of course Banning and wood center
linked going back to their final years at Michigan and Tennessee, respectively,
where the two guys went one to two in the Heisman.
Charles kind of won it at the very end in

(22:58):
the Michigan game, Michigan Ohio State game. He went ahead
and won it, and then those two guys linked in
their careers really forever as just standard Bears, and the
idea that two guys and really three because Randy Moss
was a finalist in ninety eight as well. It was
the ninety seven season, so the and then Ryan Leaf

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was the fourth. But three of those four guys are
first ballot walk in. I'm on in boy Hall of Fame,
and they're also in that thing we always talk about,
that Ultimate Game. All three of those guys are in
the Ultimate Game.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, for sure. Incredible. Yeah, it's it is nuts that
it's all happened.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
And this process has been going on for a while.
Do you remember, like last season he was on the sideline, Yeah,
a few games, So I think this courtship's been going
on for a while.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
And so is your guys' understanding of it that like
a player and just reading the release, that a player
reaches out to the NFL, and certainly somebody like Woodson
would that would be a pretty easy reach out. You're
gonna they're going to return his call and says this
is what I want to do, and they find a
path and then they find a willing team to that's

(24:06):
willing to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That process is fascinating though.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
It is and it's cool that he is an Ohio
native and that he gets to do us. I would
imagine you're seeing maybe a little bit more of that now, right,
Brady and now Chuck, you would And it's a it's
a fascinating thing as the NFL looks to expand its
ownership base. And also, you know, it's a small piece

(24:31):
of what's going on here, sure, but it's still.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Charles Woodson is a part owner of the gloom Browns. Like,
that's a dude.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
That association is an incredible one to have at your disposal,
to have him and then it's up to him how
he wants to use it and what type of influence
he wants to have. And you know, is he someone
who does he want to have a have a say?
Does he want to be in on personnel meetings? Does
he want to be in on the draft? Does he
want to you know, give opinions on all of these things.
Like if you're bringing Charles Woodson in, it's that you

(25:00):
would lean on it and lean on the football acumen,
which is quite honestly second to none. There aren't there
aren't many people who are smarter football wise than Charles
Woodson has been over the course of his career.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yep. So yeah, we were.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hoping to get him on I we're still waiting. We're
seeing what's going on there on on that side of things.
So that's that's a pretty cool thing to that that
has happened, and hopefully we'll get a chance to talk
to him. But it's a win win for everybody involved
in this thing. You want to do the owners meeting stuff?

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Here?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Do you want to take a break? How do you
want to do? Yeah, let's do it. Well, we don't.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's two o'clock. I don't want to get too far
into choose your adventure. Givee it's your last day.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
No, it's fine. We can get into it.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
We can get into the owners meeting stuff, the rest
of the owner's meeting stuff. We can talk about how
the Lions had were the ones who had the proposal
for the divisional and then pulled it because the league
pushed them to submit it.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
So that that's is that what's claimed that the League
pushed the Lions to submit a divisionless You and I
are on different sides of that, but it's not a
hill for me to die on. I don't care that
much about it. I could argue both sides. I see
your point of if you win your division, there should
be a reward for that. My side of it is
not all divisions are created equal, and so that can
go both ways that argument, however you want to phrase it.

(26:23):
I do think that I like the idea of the
NFL eventually getting to eight teams and no buys and
one plays eight and two play seven and in a
traditional format, but at the same time like, it's not
a hill for me worth.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Dying on to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So that one did not pass, that the Toush push
did not pass, and then the other thing that the
one thing that did was the on side kick, where
you can do an onside kick whenever you want. It
seems stupid anyway that you wouldn't be able to do
that whenever you want anyway you think you ever get
back to a point where an onside kicks just an
on side kick and you don't have to announce.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
It, No, because they're going to keep it. Because of
the formation, you couldn't do that. But I'm saying, eliminate
this the formation and just go back to.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
I don't think they will because it's based on data
that suggests it is safer for the players, Is it.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Safer for the people in the first part of the
collision or the back part.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I assume that it's all. There isn't a back part now,
there's only nobody in the old way when they went
to this new way. Yeah, like in the old way,
was there ever?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I wonder what the data suggested if it was the
people on the front lines of the collision of the
folks in the back.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
I think it was just every because you have people
sprint fields.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Instead of ten yards.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah yeah, and the current one. Yeah, I like the
idea of not I'd like I guess what I would
like to do is reverse engineer it to where you
have the surprise of it again, because that was Sean
Payton doesn't win a Super Bowl without that that surprise
element totally, and that's out of the game now, you

(27:56):
know that part of it is out of the game,
and I think that that's a little bit of a
shame that that they didn't.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So, yeah, there's just no way to do it.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Because if you moved the ten yard collection part or
you know, collision part up so that you could do
the on side kick and had the one guy back,
that your returns would be monstrous.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it would be loyal listener read at work.
So if we do get Charles Woodson on this pretty
good one, he says, Charles Woodson, Orlando Pace used to
have some outstanding matchups and hoops as well.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
That would be So I never I played against Orlando Pace.
I was in a melee in an AAU game.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Were you were against Orlando? Did you throw hands on
O Pace? No?

Speaker 5 (28:43):
We So the AU team I played on was just
all stars over right, Yeah, a couple of nbas And
so we were we're scrimmaging an older team, yeah, the
one with O Pace.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
The one player on the team older brother of our
younger The younger brother was our starting shooting guard. The
older brother was like an all ohio, So what's your
age today?

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Like how old are you here? I'm uh, sophomore in
high school. Sophomore so you're playing seniors? Oh yeah, okay,
all right, grown man. So we close. It makes a
big difference.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
But it was like, I don't even want to equate
it to the team that went up and beat the
Dream Team. But like we walked in with no fear.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, sure, you had a bunch of dudes, like, let's go.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
We were playing in Sandusky High School, there's a scrimmage
to just get some legs underneath us and in advance
of our national tournaments. Ye o, Pace is on this
other team.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Well, the two brothers are john at each other right
from the get go. Sure the like before we even tip,
there's already been warnings from coaches, like there were no refs.
It was it was literally us, okay, great, except at
this point we all know where it's going. Lots of
trash being talked. We get out to the early lead

(30:12):
and it's like, yeah, we're that good. We're going to
be a problem for you today. It's going to be
a full day.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Older brother takes a shot at the younger brother, cheap
shots him.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Younger brother just takes the ball and basically from me
to you, just throws it at his head and it's
on and we all knew, both sides knew. We're all
in I'm like, I'm running over there, and I'm like,
I don't know how to do this, but we're going
to figure it out real quick. So we're all in there,
mixing it up whatever. There's bodies on the ground, and

(30:50):
all I know is that all of a sudden, I
don't have anything on the ground, no arms, no legs,
and I'm being tossed airborne as I land another body's
landing and Orlando Pace is literally just walking through the pile.
Doesn't matter if it's his team or our team throwing bodies.

(31:13):
He's just I'm gonna separate this right now because I'm
not getting hurt doing this and playing this right.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Jesus Wise, I always think it's amazing when you have
in the hops like this too. You have these guys
that have this almost logic defying strength, and even amongst
ultra strong people there, they stand out. And Opa said
that there was that video last week. I think I
don't remember where you were, but there was the video
last a couple of weeks ago of Ryan Shazier with

(31:42):
his like welcome to the NFL moment, and it was
the hoff just burying him in the ground. And he
was like, oh, he runs, he runs that fast and
he's that strong. Because no one could ever block Ryan
Shazier at Ohio State. Nobody could block him. You couldn't
get near him. But Joe did got his hands on
him and just buried him. And then they had the
video of Joe just burying him so that was.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Even amongst the greats, those that are superior stands stand out.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
By the way, Hoff selling his fishing boat you just
tweeted about, so oh is he?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah? Is it?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Is it docked here or is it docked in the
fine state of Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
It looks like it's on the craigslist in o'claire. Okay,
selling my fishing boat. Boat was small lakes in Wisconsin,
very low hours, good condition, thirty seven point five k
touring package, boat and trailer, Yamaha motor seed. Data sheet
for all their options included one owner, less than twenty
five hundred miles on the trailer.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
He's ready to go, ready to go. There you go,
Chuggie Wood. Tomorrow tomorrow he is running behind his son
is at a seven on seven tournament. Well, I can
empathize with that. Yeah, how that goes?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
So tomorrow, it's tomorrow. It's something we will we'll we'll
get it all locked in. Yeah, and we've got a
pretty loaded show already.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
One o'clock easy, easy, No, but Tonio eas he's got
an event he's promoting. So and NFL network confirmed the
other one.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Okay, So all right, Well, well, so we're we'll anticipate
that a great deal.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
We'll take a lord of letting you all down Tomorrow.
We'll take a look. We'll be gone. Yeah, you'll be gone.
You won't even careen.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You'll be sucking down nice super Tuscan somewhere gibbe. Yeah,
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What was your guys' relationship to Cheers the television show?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Obviously it was on a lot in my house when
I was a kid. I remember that is.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
Thoroughly enjoying my dad was Cliff Claven was the nickname.
It's a little known fact that you know before Google
came and ruined the whole gimmick. Yeah yeah, I mean
Sam Malone is an iconic character. Yeah, Norm obviously rip, Yeah,
of course. Yeah, yeah, I watched a lot of Cheers.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Pretty amazing that he So he passed yesterday at seventy six. Yes,
so Cheers went off. I mean the brock is you
have no idea what Cheers is?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Do you? Or just from because went died? Did you
have any point of reference? Awesome theme song, great theme song. Yeah,
sometimes you go it's so good. Yeah, you give me
you had of it. There's an eight go ahead. Let's
just say there's an eighteen minute video. Yeah, that was
going around.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
I think I retweeted it yesterday and I know you
don't follow me, so you can seek it out. That
was eighteen minutes, not straight up every Norm entrance into
the bar from the entire series.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
There's some pretty great yeah moments.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah, like how many people know that, like Fraser Crane
emanated from there, emanated from Cheers?

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Yeah what Ay Harrelson would like, Oh yeah yeah, Like
the number of people that you know got their started,
so this is what, Yeah, you wanted to watch it.
So at one time, the Indians games, yeah, now, the
Guardians used to be on Channel forty three.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
WUAB was the home for Indians baseball. Okay, so Indians
baseball games. Anytime there was a rain de light, it
became a Cheers marathon. Oh really, they would have a
Cheers marathon for a weekend in April.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
They I mean you could watch we can watch Cheers.
Yeah winning, we're just putting Cheers on.

Speaker 10 (36:08):
That.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I did too.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I mean it was on a lot in our house.
It was one of probably the only sitcom I remember
that my dad would watch. I don't remember him watching
any other sitcom except that one. He would watch that one,
which is weird because he wasn't a bar guy, but
he but he loved it. So he would watch that
and we would watch it as a kid. It did
get me thinking though, like is that culture dead? Of

(36:33):
what that show was based on the neighborhood bar where
you go on your way home from work to have
a pop. Is that experience still alive in America? Or
did cell phones maybe ruin it?

Speaker 6 (36:47):
I think it's still life. So like when we would
go to Spoto's. There was always like regulars that were
in there. Yeah, that was part of their routine was
to go belly up, you.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Go to work and then you go have a pop
on the way home. You go, Yeah, you do it
all again.

Speaker 7 (37:01):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I think it's still happened.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Fat Little Buddies and Olmest Falls, so those still are
though there's a there's a group of regulars that are
there most nights and that still.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Exists, but there. I do think it's been I think
it's been. I think some of it.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think it's taken a big hit by the cell phone,
because there was that was your social experience in Americana totally.
It was kind of the city hall, the community gathering
place with those type of things, and and.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
People would do that. And now you can.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
You can you can be in constant contact with people
who you never see for weeks on text chains. I
mean it's just whereas in the in that time you
had to physically go have a conversation with somebody. The
other thing about it is it's probably the ideal.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
You guys don't know how big of a fan I am.
A proper bar that is a proper bar. Oh, yeah,
I mean that is a square bar, leather bound belly
up chairs. Come on, yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
All talking TV. I mean that's as good as it gets. Yeah,
that is where was that bar? We were at the
Browns Barkers.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Out in Euclid, Euclid. That was a proper bar. Remember
that place that was last my blinking on it.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
Black Forest, Yeah, black Forest, Yeah, proper bar, proper bar, yeah,
very much.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
So.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, so that was also pretty amazing that. So he
died at seventy six, meaning that that's almost I mean
it's forty years ago that that show was on.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Thirty two years to the day, the final of.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
The final episode.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, so watch that video of him and say that
that and look at him and say, that's a forty
four year old.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Man, because like we aged a lot quicker in those days.
Oh yeah, a lot quicker Like forties was like now
with we've just gotten smarter in terms of everything. Was
part of the business Bear Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah
he was yeah the Bears, Yeah of course, yeah, yeah,
he was in that mix as well.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
I watched something last night about him, uh, just saying
like I I liked it. I liked being Norm from
Cheers but like it totally typecast him and he couldn't
get anything after that.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Really think it's Jason Alexander from Seinfeld right, like he
could only ever be George. I think when you're here's
the deal, though, you would probably have rather had that
than not, so like I would rather be known.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I remember, like even.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Brett Mike Oddley. I don't know what made me think
of this, but remember Bret Michael's about this. It was
it like a health and fitness expo in Columbus and
he was like the marquee guy that everybody wanted to meet.
And I'm like, man, do you ever get tired of this?
He's like, no, this is these are my people. Like
if you want me to do unskinny bop that every
rose has its thorn, I'll sing it every day, man,
Like this is my thing.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
And that was the way he viewed that.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And I think, if you know, like you know both
Norm and Cliff, there forever those guys some years ago,
Jason Alexander can be in anything. He's going to always
be George Castanza and same thing with Kramer.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, you're always going to be that. It's weird because
Julie Louis dreyfus. Elaane broke out of it. She broke
free because she did a lot more stuff after. Yeah,
and maybe she was better. Yeah, maybe she was just better.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Maybe the reason he didn't get more stuff is you
weren't better because wood he wasn't type cast. And hell,
even Ted Danson did a bunch of things after Cheers
and he was the face and he did a bunch
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He's unbelievable on kerb He's a real crud.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
He's so good it's perfect.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
He was great on a show called Bored to Death
that Jason Schwartzman did on HBO.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That was really funny that he was on.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
By the way, you want to talk about our people
age differently, now, I just guess the age of earthquake.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
In the chee. I mean, so he looks like fifty six,
twenty six case twenty six in that picture?

Speaker 7 (40:47):
Was he really? Tell me?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Like, if you saw that guy today, you wouldn't think
that he's in his mid fifties.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
One hundred percent. Yeah, House twenty six, twenty six years quake.
He's not twenty six in this picture, right, was twenty
six when he feuded with how and he was twenty
six years old.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
That seemed so forced to me. He just did not
seem like a worthy he was great the natural disasters
or a great hymn typhoon that was a great Were
they fearsome or was it just really so big? They
were just big, had no skill, non could move ten
It was a so much real life earthquake. Okay he
had they could move. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Here here's the other thing with Cheers, like NBC Thursday nights,
Oh god, yeah, it's over with. And we talked about
the theme song, but like the theme song from Friends.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well they went to run gibe think about it. They
went they went Cheers into Seinfeld into Friends on Thursday night. Yeah,
like one after another and.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Then they went like wasn't it then elsewhere into er
or Yeah, there was some of that, but it was
ten o'clock drama.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
It was four four Yeah, it was yeah, two hours
of comedy. And then at the ten o'clock drama that's
where they launched r was on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, it was there. Yeah, that's all cooked, that's all done.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
None of that exists anymore. Like watching that, that's why
you're gonna get you know. NBA games on four nights
a week. Sports on NBC because it's the only thing.
The rest of the stuff, it just doesn't doesn't rate
like that the.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Way that it used to. But like, yeah, eighty eight
million people watch the finale of Cheers. A finale million people.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, well he has the last conversation with Sam.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yeah, Norm does I watched it this morning?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, No, it was good. It was a very good one.
I should pay off on the teas here. Cleveland dot
COM's Mary Kay Cabot reported yesterday that Deshaun Watson has
taken his achilles rehab to the next level. He's throwing
to Jerry Judy and David Bell inside the Browns facility,
per sources. She adds been out of boot four weeks.
I would just say there is really isn't an example
of this being anything less than a year, Like it's a.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Year every especially when it's the second one.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
It's Yeah, so the boot being off and him throwing
that doesn't mean it's a ramp up to camp. No, No, agreed, Yeah,
it's just probably probably still the process of it. We
had Sports Emmys hosted last night. Like, I've never heard
of roy Wood Junior, But here are some of the
top awards. Outstanding playoff coverage goes to NBC for their

(43:13):
NFL playoffs. They got a big cast on that, right,
that's like Maria Taylor and Garret Chris and.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
Yeah, the guy sitting in Section one, thirty five, RO fourteen,
Seat four like who else wants to be?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
They got a lot of people. Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't think I don't even think this is the
best incarnation of their studio show. I thought the Dan
Patrick one was stronger, but uh so they went Outstanding
playoff coverage. To me, I feel like the either inside
the NBA but instide the ANNBA probably won something else
down here. The other one that's really good is honestly
is the TNT NHL one is awesome, really Yeah, with

(43:55):
Paul Bissonette. That's a really strong studio show that they
have there as well. Outstanding weekly studio show. College Game
Day is the winner on that.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, fine with it. Yeah, I don't think anything.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
In sports entertainment captures the mood of what you're about
to broadcast, like College Game Day sets a tone.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
They tried to do it in the NFL. It just
didn't didn't work.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Outstanding studio show Daily NFL Live. This is our Buddy
dani or Los Orlovski.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I can grants for Orlovski, so he brings one home there.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Outstanding personality studio host Ernie Johnson. He's the best, the
best in the business, one of them, really is. I
remember being very young and going up to him and
telling him like what he meant to me? And he
was the kindest dude and asked question, just awesome human being,
really cool. Outstanding personality play by play Joe Davis of

(44:48):
Fox and F S one. I can't say that I
could pick out his call. You got anything on him
on a Joe Davis, who do you work with? He's
on Fox F S one all I assume, so he's
got to be the placement for Buck on baseball.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
I mean, to me, the answer this one should have
been This should have been Buck obviously, Nance and Iron Eagle.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Those are the three that come to mind for me.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, as kind of an offshoot, I like car Larlotte,
but I think I think Buck is throwing gas fastballs
right now. I think he's really a throw he is.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
So Joe Davis, Fox Sports MLB coverage lead announcer for
Fox MLB, also Fox NFL play by play with greg Olsen.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Oh, okay, Oh I know who he is?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Then, okay, outstanding personality studio Charles.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
So he's Fox is number two. He's a number two football, yeah,
number one baseball yep. Charles Barkley. Sure he's the best,
no doubt it. I just think he's best personality.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I don't know that he's a studio analyst at this
analyzing analyzing.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I think Kenny.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
If you want analysts analysis, it's probably Kenny. But Chuck's
the best personality in sports period A sending personality.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Event analyst Peyton Manning. Now he's outstanding, but how is
that an event. I don't think it's fair. That's not
fair at all. It's the Manning cast that he's winning
it for. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
And in some ways that's better than his brother. Yeah,
but in some ways that's like a studio show. It's
not the same. To me, that needs to be Charles
Davis or Aikman, who I think is.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Well, bring in the heat. If it's a vent analyst,
to me, it's got to be like Immelman or or
Faldo or something. No, that Aikman's on every week.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
I think they're calling. I think they're saying that that
is the analysts that goes with, not studios that goes
with the play by play guy.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Oh, I think that's fair. No, I don't think it's
fair at all. That's not fair at all.

Speaker 7 (46:58):
He's not.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
No, that's going to be He's he almost has its
own nick Niche. It's like it's like a live podcast,
is what that is?

Speaker 6 (47:06):
Like it would compete with like McAfee when McAfee does
those alternate broadcasts, which would be outstanding alternate broadcast. And
by the way, speaking of which, last night, I didn't
realize this, but I guess on my YouTube TV it
listed both.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I didn't realize.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
There was the regular broadcast of the Thunder and the Timberwolves,
which was I forget who was on the A.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Breen Yeah, Mike bringing them you know, yeah, which brings
greatre's great.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah. Then there was like an Insight broadcast. It was horrible.
They're trying to get in and they're using like.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
Computer graphics that look like they're from the nineteen seventies,
like and then they're like, oh, we have these cool
dunk stats when Anthony Edwards tried to dunk, but we
can't use it because it was Who's on it. It
sounded it was the most amateurist thing ever. I was
able to google issues, so I felt.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Like it pulled up again ESP Insight broad.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, while you're doing that, I don't think that's a
cheat code for Manning because that's not what he's doing.
He as a host. Honestly, he should go up. If anything,
you should against Ernie Johnson because he's the host of
the Manning cast. He's he's on an analyst, he's the host. Yeah,
outstanding personality emerging on air talent, Nick Saban, What what

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are we doing?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
So they tried they used these like cool graphics and
stuff on this one. I'm trying to figure out who
was the broadcasters though.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Here it is Ryan Ruoco, Okay, Kirk Goldsberry and Tim Lagler.
It was just they were all over the place because
it wasn't They were kind of at times trying to
do a regular broadcast but not well, and they were
trying to talk about these things and then show these
ridiculous graphics and stuff that looked so fake.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
It was you know, I used to tell people was off.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I think this this falls under this category kind of
do you know why PTI works? This is good at
talking because Tony and Mike knew each other for thirty
years and they genuinely have a thing action for one another,
and they what they talk about. They actually believe in this.
It's not manufactured. That's why it worked for thirty years.
It's worked, right. The reason the Manning cast work is

(49:10):
because of Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. That's why it works.
You can't just do it with anybody. It doesn't work.
Others have tried it. There's in order for it to work.
I mean, Manning is a charisma machine, and that's why
it works.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
So real quick.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
The nominees for the Sports Emmy Award and the Outstanding
Personality Event Analyst category, that's when Peyton Manning won. Troy Aikman,
Peyton Manning, Greg Olsen, Bill Raftery, and John Smoltz.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, he's one like the other.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Smoltz is awesome, Raftery is all time legend legend. I
mean he's the fact that he still has it is incredible.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah. No, that's not fair.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Manning should have been Honestly, Manning would have been better
off being in like appropriately like in the Ernie Johnson
category as like a studio host. That's that's kind of
more what he's doing. Nick Saban is emerging on air
talent is crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
He was really good on Game Day, but he's I
mean it would, it would absolutely who else is it
can give us those nominees. Gibbe I just lost it.
I mean, like that would have to be. I guess
it's his? Is it his?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I guess it was his first year, so you need
a first year guy or gal for the thing?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Was Jordan Hudson nominated? Sorry, she's NFL film.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
She is an emerging she's emerging on air personality personality
emerging on air talent.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Ryan Fitzpatrick, okay, Jason Kelsey, Nick Saban, Richard Sherman, who's
already on I don't and Jay Wright.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I think Ryan.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
I would have voted for Ryan's fitzmagic. I enjoyed Ryan
fitz Magic on the Amazon.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Jay Wright's really good, but he's not emerging. He's been
around for a long time. Same thing with fits and
and sure they both have been doing the It's at
least year two for them.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Jason Kelsey would be new and then outstanding writing long
form in season with the AFC North Hard Knocks. I
do think that and they're doing the NFC North or
I'm sorry, NFC East this year, KNO. I think that
is a chance to be very good. Plus Jerry's familiarity
with them and the way he plays along with him
is very good. I do think that the NFL films

(51:29):
two a days. I don't have the hunger for the
end season one the way that I do, you know,
the normal hard knocks, but the way that they write
it and the way that Liev Schreiber narrates.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
It is good. Is tough to be. I actually enjoyed, well,
we did it last.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Year, but we were not in it, so then they
stopped really featuring us much. But I think that with
the Cowboys, Eagles commanders and I think that has a
chance to be a pretty fun one.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It was awesome, guess what. The off season one with
the Giants was awesome. I just didn't have the hunger
to watch it.

Speaker 6 (52:01):
Well, they're not doing that anymore because they can't. I
mean the fact that those guys kept their jobs through
that is flabbergast.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
It's stunning.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
And even the even the one that we were in
around the the AFC North, I don't. I had to
like make myself watch it and it was good so much.
I'm so full of stuff to consume at that time year,
whereas you know in August we're kind of hungry for
it a little bit.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
I got one other one personality Sideline.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Reporter, Okay, don't tell us who won, tell us who
your finalist?

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Star Jenny Dell from CBS, Kaylee Hartung from Prime Video
on NBC, Tom Ronaldi, Holly Row, Lisa Salters, Tracy Wolfson.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
I don't do it to my dude, Ronaldi. I love Ronaldi.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You know, the one that I think asked the most
pressing and probably gets the most out of it is
probably Holly.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
Good.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
She's awesome, and you don't.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
It's a lot of college football that she does, so
you probably might not see as much of it, even
though you are college football Nate. But she will actually
go toe to toe with the coach and push them push.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah. It's not a yeah. She does a really good,
really good job with it. Yeah, those are all pros.
The winner was Tracy Wolfson. Wol Son's good.

Speaker 7 (53:20):
He's very good. He's very good.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Michigan. Is she? How about that?

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Adam Schefter reporting ten minutes ago, the twenty four NFL
needed twenty four votes to ban the Tush push, but
only got twenty two. Here are the ten teams that
voted against the Tush Push ban. The Eagles, the Ravens,
the Lions, the Jags, the Dolphins, the Patriots, the Saints,

(53:48):
the Jets, the Titans, and the Cleveland brown Let's go
coach said.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Coach said he didn't. He's like, I'm not rocking the boat.
If so one's doing something, well, you gotta beat it.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
It's very interesting that Buffalo voted against it because they
used it as much as Philly.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Buffalo did not vote against it, or that they voted
to ban it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
They voted to ban it, correct, because they they did
it as much as Philly.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, Jason Kelsey flew in today to lobby, which is
pretty good. They didn't talk to the media. Doesn't need
to zips in. He is the media out. What did
he need to talk to him?

Speaker 6 (54:26):
It is interesting though, if you think about the fact
that John Gannon was on their staff before becoming the
head coach of the Cardinals and Shane Steichen was on
their staff before becoming the head coach of the Colts,
and they both voted to ban it. Kellen Moore who
is just there and is now head coach of the Saints,

(54:47):
voted to keep it.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, that is that's very interesting. Cheers.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
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the sports world. Talk a lot about the the NFL
owners meetings wrapped up in Minneapolis. Some of the main takeaways.
The NFL did, in fact approve player participation in flag
football for the twenty eight Olympics. Flag football on Olympics

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will consist of six men's teams and six women's teams,
composed of ten players per team.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
The game will be played five on five.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
The Goodell quote is this, it's an incredible honor for
any athlete to represent their country in the Olympics, which
is the pinnacle of global sport. I know firsthand that
the inclusion of flag football in the Olympics has spiked
a tremendous amount of excitement among NFL players interested in
having a chance to compete for their country on the
world stage.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
We're thrilled that they will now have that chance.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Okay, is it just one US team one American team
because sometimes they have multiple Is that I don't know
some of these events they have. Otherwise it'll be six
American teams.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
I didn't know if it was six teams and six
from America. You're saying there's six teams total in the competition.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
It seems like there's six teams. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Flag football and the Olympics will consist of six men's
teams and six women's teams. Huh, that's probably all there is.
How many countries could even put a team together?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I mean everybody can put a team together.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
I do think though, that that guy who was saying
that he's the flag football wizard, he should get a
team with no NFL. There should be two American teams.
There should be the NFL team and then that dude's team.
That guy's saying if they win it, like.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
He can be like what happened, Like remember in the
Soviet Union collapsed and they were the unified team.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Yeah, like he's on the unified team.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
Yeah, but he should get his own if they have
a true qualification.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Can you imagine if there are I mean, how many
NFL teams would there be there were quarterbacked by NFL quarterbacks?
Six no, no, no, six get into the thing. There has
to be qualification you could put together. Think about Think
about when you like Olympic Rials for swimming, right, yeah,
you have how many people in an event?

Speaker 6 (57:50):
Is it probably starts at ten lanes? Right, ten lanes
and you've got how many heats?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Six heats to get to the final? You get to
the final? Tech, So like, are there.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Twenty US flag football team that becomes a tournament into one?

Speaker 4 (58:05):
That's what I want to see is no, you don't
I don't know why you can't.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
I think you're saying these we're doing one team of
these guys.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Who's who I'm going to decide who's on it the
tzar let us do it. Well, I don't think that's
very likely, but I'd love to do it. We should
be that our ideas are excellent. Such it was such
a perfect lie. You said, it's so earnestly. Seriously, I
know you. We should be in the sports. We saw
a lot of we solve a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
It was a lot like Costanza when he goes you
always said, they make good comments, and then Jerry goes, well,
they usually give those jobs to, you.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Know, former baseball players. He goes, you said, I make
great comments. Well, in that case, I've I've done it.
I've actually done this. I've done it. You've got it,
you've done it. No, I yeah, I don't know. I
don't know how they're going to decide who's here? What
twelve guys make it?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
We did it yesterday, we did the teams, but like, like,
what do you do if we know Mahomes wants to
do it?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
He said he wants to do it.

Speaker 6 (59:04):
Lamar, Chase and Metcalf are three locks.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yeah, one, I like that. Please come on, come on,
please all three of them in the mix? Please one
represented from those three teams. Locks.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
It says the US is guaranteed a spot in both
the men's and women's no kidding. The other qualifying teams
will be determined based on International Federation of American Football rankings.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Wait what did you just say?

Speaker 6 (59:33):
So there must be some rankings on national teams and
so like you're gonna there's not gonna be a qualifying
tournament like each country.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
I think that is on that list. Okay, so what
happens to the poor that poor guy that you reference?

Speaker 6 (59:44):
This is why we are doing why we are the
ours automatic bid for flag football Mahomes as he calls himself,
that guy's automatically, and two is an NFL team.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
My guess is beyond that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
I mean, I feel like we should get a German
team just then the HOF can coach him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
They tell you a story of the hops Buddy Parker,
who is his assistant O line coach. Oh yeah, yeah,
did I say that on the art?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah? Just could you match like in Germany and you're
gonna go in line coach? I played a little ball yeah,
it's Joe Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Joe Thomas is sitting there. I'd want the Italians involved, Yep, definitely.
I think you're gonna need England May I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I feel like the rugby component, and then I think
France France is I think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I think we need either Mexico or a Brazil. Brazil
I think would thrive. I feel like they would get
it done in Brazil.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Okay, there there it's a format.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
What do you do if you're flag football? Jones here
and all of a sudden, like we have like an
American tryout and he's in the quarterback line with Mahomes
and Burrow and Jackson and Alan.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Because he needs his own team. There needs there are
professional flag football players. I understand they need their own.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Here's the problem that the idea that somehow it's a
grossly different game is utter nonsense.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
Well, that's why I want to see it. It's so stupid.
I want to see if they can even be like
this would be like it'd be like when they do
that stupid three on three in the basketball. Why do
you do you already have basketball? It's in the game.
I don't need to see more of the basketball. So
like if the three best NBA players put together a team,
they would win the three on three.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
They should be allowed to.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
Here's what I'm here's a new rules. I've thought about it.
All right, We're gonna go with an NFL team, Yeah,
flag football. Mahomes gets to pick his.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Team whoever he whatever's on his team, great that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
He thinks of the best, the ten best in the world.
Then we're gonna go a europe team. We're gonna go
like American team. Yeah, We're gonna go with an Asian
team and an African team.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Okay, and that's it. And that's that's all you need.
Go continents, go yeah, base like where your head's at,
Go continents. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do. I'm a
problem with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
What would you install so you have flag football Jones
versus the NFL guys, What is the line.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
I'm gonna just assume, like, let's say an average game
is gonna be the NFL team I'm gonna use as
an average is gonna score seventy and I think they're
gonna beat every other continence team like seventy to thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I think you even think they'd score four touchdowns like
if we tried it's flag football, yeah right, But like
if Denzel Ward was like, yeah, I got Giuseppi, the
receiver from Italy, Like really, what are you gonna do.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
There's gonna be a pretty smooth move in Croatian out there.
It's gonna be yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Hey Croatia, you could be.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
Maybe you could be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Then you're on something now zero, Like I just don't
we're like seventy to twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
And then I think against like flag football Jones, I
think I think that's a seventy to thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
So you're more generous than me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I think it would be like seventy to twenty NFL
against flag football Jones, And I think it'd be seventy
to two NFL guys against the rest of the world's guys.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Like if they tried now, inevitably, what will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
You're gonna get a bunch of points, so they're gonna
be kind of like just all right, let's just go
through the motions. But like if you would like truly
locked in and covered, I don't know how you would
ever move the ball? Why would you get separational? One
thing I would Stan and Denzel and stingly why.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
I don't know how you get separation. Yes, I think
they can done, but you can't. Like it's like you
go out there, you're playing bump and run. I don't
think you're allowed to bump and run in flag football.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Maybe you are. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
I think I can, though there are and I know
this is gonna sound crazy when I say it out loud,
I'm aware of that. There are schemes and plays and
little nuances the flag football that have to be different
than the root combinations they're used to seeing in the NFL.
Part of the reason they're so good is not only
they're such supreme athletes, but then they also understand everything
they're seeing. They're gonna be stuff that they haven't seen before.

(01:04:17):
I think, like I think flag football mahomes guy. I
think they're running all kinds of weird stuff. They got
to be like misdirection and yeah, and these like they're
they win all the time. So like there are other
good there's a lot of plenty of flight football teams
that are Like for example, when I was playing in Georgia,
a lot of the guys that were on my team
are guys that for sure could have been in the League,

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but were not for a variety of reasons of things
that happened to a lot of kids in Georgia and
Florida and one so like, there are kids, there are
people out there that are that good of athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
There there are, I agree there are, but I think
they primarily live the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Fair. But that's why I thinkball.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
That's why I think this flag football guy's team, the
athletic disparity might not be as great as people think.
And then all these guys do is play flag football.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Which further buttresses my point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
If you imagine how pissed off he is, Like I think,
is all he's dreamed about his whole life is for
this to be an Olympic sport, and now he gets it,
and now he's got to go.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
That's why he gets to have a team. And I
think they were number one, but I think they win
the silver medal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
If they're in it, I think, oh for sure, they're
the number one. If I assume he's quarterbacking it read
at work. Who's just I mean, he's basically like a
viral g man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Today. He's got the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Rankings USA, Austria, Mexico, Germany, France, Italy, Switzerland, Israel, Panama, Japan, Denmark, Canada,
New Zealand, Great Britain, Spain.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Didn't hear Croatian did not hear. Well, that's why we
gotta go continence. They have no chance just with individual countries.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
You need to combine. I don't think they do. I
want our flag. I don't think they The rest of
the world can be flag football qualifying. Frank flag football.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Jones is the number one team on the planet right now,
right that's him, and he's going to be I'm competing
the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
That's why he needs a team. This is why we
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I just don't know that the IOC is going to
grant you your You almost have to. It almost has
to be like a the Uh what's the the movie
with Michael Jordan The Monstars.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, it's kind of like that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
I just think if this guy has led his team
to be the best in the world, they deserve to
be in the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I agree. I think it sucks that like and.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
He's already given you the like promos and the hype,
or he's saying that they would beat them, so that
gold medal game is actually going to have some juice,
way more juice than the US against anybody else in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
So theoretically we have Joel Bottonio in here tomorrow. Yeah,
let's ask him. Okay, let's ask him. But he might
not also have the skill position guy. You need a
skill guy. Yeah, you need a skill guy, because that's
all it's going to be, is like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I would ask like Jerry Judy would be a good
one covering him in play football with his route ability.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Of course, but he would I think also, and den,
how many people of you? What the question is, how
many people of your ability? And I don't think there
are a ton, but how many people of your ability
do you come across who never even went to college
or never even went to like a big college for a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Oh, there's a great many.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I used to say all the time when I first
moved to Ohio, Like, it's not the kids who make
it in North Florida and South Georgia, it's the kids
who don't for various reasons, that don't get to big
state You there's a lot of them that don't. But
what I don't know is if those guys do they
find a way to flag football.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I don't know definitely team.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
The city league guys and state that type of stuff,
But interns could they get like to that point?

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
We'd have to see, Like I could throw the ball
the second I got it. Yeah, I'm exaggerating slightly, but
basically the second I got it and throw it as
far as I could.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
I cannot overthrow these guys. I mean they were like blurs.
I just like get the ball to them and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Somewhere down there. You're down there somewhere those nuts. Yeah,
I feel like Denzel and Judy would be who I
don't talk to about this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Yeah, they're the two. Those would be the two that
I would want to hear because I think Denzel's the
best mirror corner in the NFL. So what we think?
Mgmors and Delpit would be good ones to talk to to.
I think they probably have seen a lot of good
athletes in their day, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
The Detroit Lions have withdrawn their proposal to revamp playoff seating,
and the proposal, teams would have been seated by record
and division champs, not to receive the four highest seed.
The proposal was instigated by the NFL. Hmmm, I don't
know what the NFL. If the NFL wanted that wanted
the Lions to do, that had to be a television
partners motivated.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Right, don't you think it's still garbage because the schedule
is not the same.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
Now, if you wanted to here's what you could do,
if you really wanted to do and make it like
perfectly equitable. This is this is just just just popped
into my head. So this bear with me. I'm this
is we're feeling it out. This isn't one where I'm gonnay,
it's a excellent idea yet, but it might could be
two conferences. Yep, sixteen tas. Okay, you play everybody in

(01:09:04):
your conference, okay once? Okay, you play the teams that
were you're in your original division.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Twice home and home.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
So that gives you fifteen seventeen nineteens.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
That's a twenty one game schedule. So we can't do that.
So you play everybody in your division. I guess it would.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
Be to do it, you would have to do I'm right,
I have am right, hold on, yes, that is right.
Fifteen games, play everybody in your conference once, and you
play the only ones you do home and home with
are your three original division mates, and that makes an
eighteen game schedule, so you'll never play NFC teams except
in the Super Bowl. Yeah, but that is going to
allow for pure pure seeding in both divisions, in both conferences,

(01:09:53):
get your pure seeding because you really, say, the only
three out of eighteen games, so a six of your
schedule is unique to you to your old device, so
it keeps those so like we would always play home
and home with the Steelers, always home and home with
the Ravens, always home home with the Bengals, and everybody
in the AFC once once half.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Yeah, that's not bad. That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Would you miss playing teams in the NFC. No, it's
so funny, Like I've lost such so much track of baseball.
But the idea that you know, when we were growing up,
obviously that didn't you know. You saw him in the
ulcer game and that was it and then they went
interlay And now I think they're balanced, aren't they. You
play everybody the same, and that's the deal, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
So I think what would be cool about this too,
is I do like I don't, so I don't I
wouldn't miss like not playing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
The since two thousand and nine, as anybody say anything
about Nobody says anything.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
You have, so that gives.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
You you'd have nine home, nine road every year. My
guess is you're going to end up with one automatic.
One of those is automatically going to be international, and
so they'd have to alternate each year. One team would
give up a home game and then the next year
they'd give a road game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Yeah, they get to be the road.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
So you always have nine. You're guaranteed eight home games
every year, so same as now. And then yeah, and
then you go and you go the inner you get
the internationals eighteen game schedule. Two buys. The rivalries you'd
be able to make in conference would be much better.
Oh yeah, because you're a home and home every other year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
You're here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I wouldn't miss it, not playing NFC teams, No, I
would miss it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Be fine.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
And I think it's cool that you are able to
maintain some of the originality and that we always play Baltimore,
Pittsburgh and Cincy twice. I think I'm first throwing it
out there right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I'm pretty pleased with it. I don't mind it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Then you see that I don't know if your math
was gonna work right away because I was adding six.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
And so then and then you seed one through eight.
Half the teams make the playoffs every year. You see
one through eight and then go and then go and
and I'm saying, and it's a straight bracket.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Yeah, it's that. There's no like if if no, no no
on eight plays eight, two plays seven and then eight
wins eight places four five eight place four five. Yeah,
deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah, top seed, top four seeds get buys or not
home field, home field, top four get home fields.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Yeah, that's not bad. That's not bad. Amendments of the
on side kick have passed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Teams have declared for a non SA kick at any
time while trailing, not just in the fourth quarter, and
line up a one yard closer to the opponent. Success
rate of onset kicks last year was just six percent.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Well that's because you have to tell people, can we
get back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
At that one in sixteen? One in sixteen?

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
So I keep the cap on. By the way, I
think my idea was so good that you should walk.
But I'm leaving on a high note.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
All right, then we'll see you later. Good luck.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Would you think of your first guest?

Speaker 10 (01:13:54):
Good?

Speaker 8 (01:13:55):
I think there's a last of in personally I can
work on. But overall, as a team, I think we
came out uh great energy, Uh, the speed and everybody
was working hard, working very fast and very being very efficient.

Speaker 10 (01:14:10):
So should uh I'm really talking about a second Fred
messages to draft and.

Speaker 7 (01:14:14):
So what did you take away from that? You know,
give advice that you that that was I M my
story's gonna be similar. You know.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
Uh, I was a late round draft pick. But we're
here now, so none of that stuff matters. That just
mattered on the day and I'm just excited to be
hearing ready to work. Do I know it's early, but
have you been able to gravitate for someone, attach yourself
to someone in this building and you're part of your
already c yeah, I say all the r Well it's
only really rookies in them building right now, and all
of them real cool and uh they got great personality.

(01:14:46):
So M I'm glad to have that team bonding, that
team chemistry back uh being you know on your own
with pro day and with uh the combine and everybody
and everything is more individual for that. So being around
that team environment, I'll say, is the best right now?

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
She do her.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Not many rookies or draft picks have the opportunity to
have the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
President of the United States.

Speaker 10 (01:15:09):
Going to bat for you.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
Yeah, in the middle of the drafts.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
So what was that like for you?

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:15:14):
No, I was truly thankful. I was truly thankful for it,
including him. It's a lot of fans, a lot of
people in barbershops, a lot of hairstyles. There's a lot
of just uh fans you know, of of me and
of my crafting, of my family that I was there
to support. So I alway, I was just thankful that
I have that foundation overall, just it's people and we

(01:15:37):
all could come together as one.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Should you have incredible popularity, but you just start your
career immensely popular.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
Why do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:15:51):
Well, yeah, that I guess that's what it is. I
I just be myself every day. You know, I can't
control with external I can't even control with internal.

Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
But that how do you block all that stuff out
a and and be a football.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
Player by doing what uh my dad raised me to
do since I was like five years old.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
You know, I've seen it. I've seen what he was
able to do, what he was able to do.

Speaker 8 (01:16:17):
And I have a lot of great resources and mentors,
you know to keep me on the right track, and
especially coming to this building, we have great coaches in
the building, uh, able to you know, keep me, keep
me focused, keep me uh in the straight near a line.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
What's what's the balance between wanting to know when you're
competing and wanting to be the start of here for
a long time, but also being right here just getting started.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
Well it of course it's day by day.

Speaker 8 (01:16:41):
I just find something I want to perfect and just
perfect it, uh to the best of my abilities. And
and that's how I really focus on and just being there,
just being a leader, being a great teammate, doing what
I need to do whenever it is. So I'm just
thankful for opportunity.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
Things could have been a lot worse. I'm here smiling
in front of you all at this facility right now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
With Dylan since you guys have gotten into the building together.

Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
Cool.

Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
Normal, Yeah, it been normal. He's a really cool guy overall. Yeah,
you could tell he's he always have a great mood,
you know, he's always in a good mood. He never
I only been around two days though, but he always
have a great mood. But overall I could tell you know,
he's a pretty good person.

Speaker 10 (01:17:29):
Should how do you come in here? You know, just
from a mental standpoint in your approach? Fifth round pick,
they did draft Dylan two rounds in front of you,
and you come into, uh, basically a four man quarterback
competition for potentially a starting job in.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
Your rookie year.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
I just feel like in life and everything is just
me versus me. You know, I can't control any other
decision besides that, so I just try to be my
best self at all times.

Speaker 7 (01:17:57):
Should Can you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Talk about the community of work you've done so far
here since you got in Cleveland? Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
So typically every state I go to, I don't really
be on like social like that. I got people that
just run it for me and stuff, So, like w
what I find fun and interesting and it's a lot
of just I don't know, it's just it's just joy
to me. It is just going to those high schools,
middle schools and just you know, engaging with the younger kids,

(01:18:26):
you know, cause they they mind's not corrupted.

Speaker 7 (01:18:29):
Of other people's opinions.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
So that's why I find joying happiness going to different
schools and being able just to talk to 'em and
see the joy on they face because they follow the journey.
So even through everything, whenever it was going crazy, wow, negative, everything,
my happiness was going there. So that's what I always
resort to. I always, uh like, send pizza to they school,

(01:18:51):
like show 'em like you know that I'm still able
to connect with them. They still able to connect with me,
and eventually I was supposed to get on the game
with them all So, but I don't have my game.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Out here right now, regardless of the slide. All you
gotta do, all you gotta do is just look it up.
You'll see the history.

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
I don't I don't do anything for pr I don't
do anything because anywhere I go, you know, cameras will come.
So it's not really nothing I typically try to do.
It's just you know, my life and just what it
came with.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
You have really kept your head up, You've kept your
spirits up.

Speaker 10 (01:19:29):
You always say, I have a smile on your face,
even in the wake of tumbling to the fifth round
of the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
So how have you been able to do that?

Speaker 8 (01:19:38):
I mean, you just didn't let this. I mean you
just gotta step back and look at life like you're
in a great situation overall, that you're able to be healthy.
You know that that's that's one thing going through. You know,
even with my brother going through with injury and my
Pops and everybody in the family. Like you, you value
life and you value opportunity and just waking up every

(01:20:01):
day a different way. So that's kind of why there's
nothing for me to really, no matter what, in any situation,
I can't I can't really be phased by it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:11):
You know. It's like playing quarterback.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
You go down there, you may not scored the whole
game or whatever, but then when it gets to that
final two moments, two minutes and it's time to.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
Lock in extra, you can't. You can't be in your.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
Feelings, you can't be down about anything. You know, you
still you still got another chance.

Speaker 10 (01:20:29):
You said, the kids like the kids because their minds
aren't corrupted.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Yeah, yeah, what do you mean by that?

Speaker 7 (01:20:34):
Corrupted?

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
As in, like they don't other people's opinion of you,
Like they go based off their own, you know, so
they don't have not even nine percent of hatred is
you know, towards Pops.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
And then I'm just you know, I'm just his son.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
So it really just comes from from that and I
told him that too, but you know, it just it
just come. It just comes from him. But then you
know they didn't grow up in the error to where
you know, they watched in place, so they don't have
anything too much negative whether they.

Speaker 7 (01:21:03):
Say flashy this, this, that, like.

Speaker 8 (01:21:08):
This, the older generation that do it to me rather
than the young than younger people because when I was
come in person, I don't there's no negativity I see,
but it's all over online. So that's why I say
I like going in person and actually meeting them, and
any questions they have, I say, just ask me whatever
question you want, pick any question, no filter, know anything.
Then one second, one second, I got you. But yeah

(01:21:32):
that's what that's what they say. And then I just
answer whatever they need me to answer. But the most
question they asked me was just like how is it
mentally going through all this? And I just told them
it's just like playing quarterbacks, So I can't be phased
by I know.

Speaker 11 (01:21:44):
Your dad in the pre draft process that said, like
with everything you've dealt with with attention and scrutiny, that
you're very well prepared, in his opinion, to take on
everything that comes with seeing in the NFL. Just what
has that been like, I guess throughout your life and
how has he helped you navigate that?

Speaker 7 (01:21:59):
Especially may these last few years.

Speaker 8 (01:22:01):
I say, definitely, he gave us the spotlight to be
able to do that. So he gave us the opportunity.
That's all you can ask for in anybody's job and
anybody's profession is just the opportunity, give a chance.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
The rest after that is on you. So I'm taking
every snap out there.

Speaker 8 (01:22:16):
You know, I'm getting up after these hits, I'm getting
I'm doing, throwing touchdowns, I'm doing.

Speaker 7 (01:22:23):
You know that, gotta live it day by day.

Speaker 8 (01:22:25):
So that's that's all he gave us, was the opportunity,
and we had to navigate and and see what we
like about.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
And that's how I study people, honestly.

Speaker 8 (01:22:34):
I study people, see how they handle certain things, see
what they do, see different people's tendencies when it's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:22:40):
So you won't really.

Speaker 8 (01:22:41):
Able you won't ever really be able to tell, you know,
when I'm frustrated and when I'm not feeling good or anything,
because I watch even self reflecting, you know, years even
though like even even just on sidelines and stuff, you know,
I feel like I couldn't handle better situations.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
Because it was misunderstood by the mass. But I understood.

Speaker 8 (01:23:05):
But you know, I don't want anybody to form negative
opinions you know, about me, and it's something I could change.

Speaker 7 (01:23:12):
So I just took that type of leadership ability.

Speaker 8 (01:23:15):
Within myself to not give that vibe ofll or not give.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
Off that different type of aesthetic of negativity.

Speaker 11 (01:23:22):
When you say watching people like, do you just mean
like in general or teammates.

Speaker 8 (01:23:26):
No, wasn't wasn't people. It's like other successful people. It's
not just the position I say, it's just everybody in
life because like people in life, they go through uh
different challenges, but it's but it's similar. So if it's
a financing guy in his business is crash or something,
how is he throughout those moments?

Speaker 7 (01:23:45):
You know, like is he frantic? Like is he is
he out of character?

Speaker 8 (01:23:50):
So that's why whenever you've seen the draft and all
that stuff happened, I was and everything was live, So
I was normal. I'm normal throughout everything because all that
is what's the next step?

Speaker 7 (01:24:01):
So I was just thinking, you know what's next?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
About that? You know when you gonna take three more?

Speaker 10 (01:24:06):
When you got that phone, call your family, friend, books
that that you kind of just let it roll right
off your back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
You went to throwing the football right after.

Speaker 7 (01:24:13):
What does that mindset come from?

Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
Well, I jumped in the pool, but I don't even
try to think about that day because I'm I got practice,
you know, so all that stuff was cool for that time,
but now you know I got practice.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
I gotta learned to playbook.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
So could you see can you see how it would be?

Speaker 7 (01:24:29):
Just where where are you at Day two?

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
Different?

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
How's it different compared to Colorado and Jackson State?

Speaker 8 (01:24:37):
Well, of course it's the league, so you know it's
it's longer, of course, but learning I feel like I'm
on track, like how you feel like any day two system?

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Can you see how it would be a Jimmy Kmart
and very king?

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Can you see can you see how it would be
hard for someone like Dylan to share a quarterback room?

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Have you given if your popularity?

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
And I just live in my own perspective.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
I don't live in other people's perspective of what how
somebody would feel over anything? You know, I don't feel
any type of way as a person in anybody's situation,
Like if it's something I like, it's someone I respect it,
you know, like I don't. I don't have any type
of negative or I hate in my thought process. So
I don't know how to answer that question.

Speaker 9 (01:25:20):
Truthfully, you had said things could have been worse healthy,
you're blessed or happy to be here. But as a
guy who even people in this building other places have said,
you don't have day three talent, So how what's the
mindset now as far as the opportunity that's in front
of you, as far as proving the type of.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
NFL quarterback you could be.

Speaker 8 (01:25:41):
I mean thank you for saying that, because I don't
like my job here is to prove people wrong, like
I prove myself right.

Speaker 7 (01:25:47):
That's that's that's and I.

Speaker 8 (01:25:49):
And I fully self belief, you know, And uh, what
with those people say that's that's just their opinion, So
I don't truly care. They don't really live in my
mental space about that type of stuff. Really didn't do
anything for me? Should her?

Speaker 7 (01:26:06):
Hopefully?

Speaker 9 (01:26:06):
I kind of a fun one here, and that is
the Calves showed you some love and some support through
this process.

Speaker 11 (01:26:14):
And uh, just wondering have you caught Calves fever a
little bit?

Speaker 9 (01:26:18):
What do you think of Don Mitchell And do you
think you can get yourself down to uh one of
these games and joining on some of the fun.

Speaker 8 (01:26:25):
Yeah, so of course I want to go to that game,
but I gotta, of course bring bring some teammates with me,
so we're gonna see hopefully, hopefully they make it down
the stretch and then we'll be able to catch one,
you know, with a lot of teammates, A lot of
stuff for me don't excite me any more personally, So
like I like having an atmosphere like friends, family, you know,

(01:26:46):
around and being able to share the same experience with them.
So I haven't really I seen it one yesterday. I
seen it one yesterday. Uh, But like I said, I
was focused on the playbook. I couldn't even watch the game.
That was pretty much too. But nah, I respect, I
respect everything they're doing. And the Downtown to poster is

(01:27:07):
real nice on there. That was really cool. Yeah, I'm
just excited to be here.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
I know, I know you couldn't get two, But did
you take twelve? Just because of the great everyone's wondering
why you took twelve? Can you kind of explain that?

Speaker 8 (01:27:18):
Or well, I took number twelve. It was the best
available number for me, does it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Will you try to buy two from DeAndre?

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
No, I'm not trying to buy anything.

Speaker 8 (01:27:31):
My signing bonus ain't that high right now?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
All right, there you go.

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Speaker 7 (01:28:40):
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Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
I went to bed. They outscored him like seventy to
forty in the second half. Am I correct on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
That it was beat down?

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Yeah, yeah it was. I mean tonight, Tonight's the one.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
I'm wonder if my nostalgia kicks in, you know, just
seeing you know, those two teams a little bit. It's
hard for me to watch the East now, especially with
the Tatum injury and what happened in Boston. Not just
think my god, Cleveland, was this the year?

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Like this was it was all their health and it
was all there. I don't know if anyone was. I
don't know if them or anyone's going to beat Oklahoma City.
But you know what, I was talking to Jake Trotter
this morning, a great friend of the program here on
Cleveland Browns Daily, and he said something that I had
never heard before. Obviously he's an Oklahoma City native Oklahoma,
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(01:29:24):
everything that went into it, and he said, do you
know that the reason that the Oklahoma City are in
or the thunder or in Oklahoma City in part is
because of the Columbus Blue Jackets. And what I did
not realize is Oklahoma City after the bombing, built a
stadium because they didn't want to be known as that,
so they built an arena in downtown and it was

(01:29:44):
between them and the Columbus Blue Jackets for the NHL
expansion team for the last one, and Columbus got it,
and so okay See had this downtown venue with nobody
in it, and it just so happened to time out
to where when Katrina happened with New Orleans, they bawled out,
supported the teams hold it out, and then Stern was like, Hey,
this might be a good market. And that led to
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(01:30:05):
moving them to Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
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Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
They were that they finished second to Columbus for the
NHL expansion franchise, and that's what led to.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
The NBA team in Columbus.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Well that's I like the Blue Jackets a lot, but
that's where I went.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
I went, Wait a second, do you tell me that
I could add Durant to talk about for a decade?

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Well, Ohio State football and a Durant. Jeez, it's a
hell of a what if that's a goal? Would you
do that that would have been.

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