Recapping the Joint Practice in Carolina - Cleveland Browns Daily - 8.6.25

On this First Friday edition of CBD, the radio voice of the Browns Andrew Siciliano and Nathan Zegura break down the joint practice in Carolina (:45). Hear a CBD exclusive interview with DE Alex Wright (45:16) and All-Pro DE Myles Garrett at the podium (54:22).

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Here are your hosts, bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hiot Sue live on a first Friday Miracle edition of
Cleveland Brown's Daily. We are coming to you live from
the Cross Country Mortgage Campus in Berea, And in addition
to that, we will have the voices of the Cleveland
Browns inter Siciliana with a great Ze gibe as well,
all down in the broadcast booth down in Carolina where
they witness joint practice number one between the Browns and

(00:58):
the Carolina Panthers. Before before we get into all of that,
there is some massive housekeeping over the last twelve hours
since we did the show, including the reality that Shadur
Sanders will start at quarterback on Friday night against the
Carolina Panthers. A couple of other things from coach Tefanski's
press conference this morning. Shador and Tyler Huntley are going
to be the quarterbacks on Friday, So no Flacco, no

(01:19):
Gabriel or Picket. Picket and Gabriel competed in the seven
on sevens during joint But I'm gonna lean on my
guys down there for the big news on that stuff,
and we'll have some of this Tofanski press conference for
you coming up here momentarily. But this is where we start,
and it is without question who is starting on Friday night.
Duck to ze away we go, buddy, Yo.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
We were very fortunate this morning. We woke up and
it looked like it was going to be just an
absolute deluge and miserable and classic buffoon fashion. I refuse
to pack any rein gear. It's not gonna rain a
rain because it just didn't make any sense to me
that we need be somewhere in the year twenty twenty

(02:04):
five around an NFL team that, if it rained, had
zero cover, and they legitimately had zero cover there. It
didn't That didn't make any sense to me. That wasn't
in my world. If it happened in ours, you could
have stood under our tent, like you'd think there would
be many places it not. The good news is I
put on a full poncho. Thank you RJ very much.
And it reversed jinxt it. It did not rain from

(02:26):
the second practice started until the second it ended, and
then the head it opened up. Yeah, then it rained again,
but I'm fine dry. Gibbe had me freaked. I He's like,
pack other clothes. I was picturing myself like ringing shirts out.
I'm like, well, let me explain something bo. Before they
got here, it was raining sideways and we were walking
out to practice when a giant bolt of lightning came

(02:49):
down and then we were told you time to go
back inside. Like I was soaked before coach ever even
came to the podium at nine to fifteen, so I'd
brought extra clothing because I was like, yeah, I don't
know how this is going to go, but this isn't
looking great.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Boh.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I had a Panthers player tell me before practice that
he goes, dude, I have played in a hurricane before.
Yesterday's practice was more rain than the hurricane. And that's
what happened all morning and then literally practice started and
miraculously had stopped righting.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And it was perfect because it was like seventy five,
no humidity, cloud cover, so.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Off the guard right you had, you didn't have to
wear the garbage bag. No, I took you out a
garbage We'll call it a pacha. It looked like a
garbage bag.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, it could have been, although it would have dropped
a lot of things out of the spot for my
head in my arms, But it was nonetheless, basically that's
what it was. But and then Adam Thielen told us
on the side that the week before here had been
five four days in a row of over one hundred
and five degrees and ninety five percent humidity, so kind

(03:53):
of like us, yeah, similar, yeah, yeah, yeah, but so
you mentioned top big store. Obviously, Shador is gonna start
now when people say that, oh, how can you start
to me? He didn't get any reps with the ones. The
ones aren't playing, so he's gonna get He got reps
with the twos, which he has started to get some of,
but got more reps with the twos today. In fact,
every reping that with the two's in the team periods today,

(04:14):
and that's who he's going to be playing with now.
The Panthers will play their starters from about eight to
twelve plays for their head coach Dave Canals. But yeah,
it's gonna be Shador getting the start, and it's just
him and Snoopuntley. Those are the only quarterbacks that are
up in Stupe. Puntley got some reps today right off
the wild Yeah, walked right in, got on a plane
and practice today. It is wild.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah. Uh, Andrew, what do you make of this quarterback
plan over the next couple of days.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
I'm here for it. I love it. I mean, I
think it's what we all want to see. Now.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
You would love also to have more guys available. You
would love that than Umber two quarterback. As Kevin said,
they're trying to get him up to speed and Tony
Grossi asked, well, what happens if you can't.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
Get him up to speed?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
And Kevin started, if it goes Tony, we'll get like, well,
it'll be okay, We'll get them up to speed with
a smile on his face. But look, we all want
to see him, so let's let's do it now. All
five quarterbacks were able to participate today. So it's not
as if Picket and Gabriel weren't getting some work. They
did not a lot of work. Kenny more than Dylan,

(05:20):
and they both had their moments certainly in practice, but
they don't want to put them out there in a
game situation. They're actually gonna have to be in a
live situation running to the sideline or running for their life.
They don't want to aggravate those hamstring injuries. You want shador,
You're gonna get Shador. I'm with I know some of
the people that say, well, I wish he would have done.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
More in practice.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, I agree, but I think we all also agree
the guy's a gamer.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
All right, let's buckle up, let's go.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I honestly don't need to see anybody other than him.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Me neither.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I would play the whole game unless something happens, like
play the whole game for sure.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
That's and maybe that does happen, And I think that's
probably for the receivers. That's the best scenario for them too,
because at least they've gotten work with him. So here's
how it went today, just from a quarterback perspective to
kind of really paint the picture for people. So the
first period was seven on sevens. Kenny Pickett was first
up with the starters and had a nice session. Threw

(06:13):
it away on first down. They had a nice deep
out to Jerry Judy to come back to Cedric Tillman
and then Jerry Judy. By the way, Jerry Judy was
phenomenal today, but he was the best player. He was, yeah,
best player on the field by a wide margin. He
had a hesitation route where he left two panthers in
the dust for a big gain afterwards. So that was
with picket.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Were we deprived of j C. Horn though? Did I
see that same?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, he got one who was involved in an automobile
axe on the way and he's going to be fine.
But no, he did not practice. He was talking and
Jerry Judy was talking right back.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
He was in sweats.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
He's got a wrap on his left hand, eight stitches
in his left hand, but Canalos said that he should
be good to go next week.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Granted brown Snott part of it next week.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I would imagine those two have go back to Alabama
South Carolina. I don't know if they ever crossed paths
on the field, but it's a pretty small world down there.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
It is.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
And Judy had The highlight play of the day was
a deep over in the team period from Joe Flacco
for probably could have been a sixty yard touchdown, but
it was just out front of him. Made a nice
one hand catch, and so he was telling them like,
I'm cooking, y'all. I'm cooking y'all. They're like, where cooking
this where He's like on the film, Watch the film,
That's where I'm cooking, which was which was good. But
so seven on sevens the first session, Kenny Pickett with

(07:26):
the ones got four plays, then Chadour with the twos,
then Dylan Gabriel with the ones, and then Dylan Gabriel
with the three, so Dylan Gabriel actually got five reps there.
Then they went to a red zone seven on seven,
it was Flacco with the ones, Gabriel with the two's,
Picket with the ones, and then Huntly with the three.
So when the seven on seven periods, the only people

(07:47):
that got reps in both seven on seven periods were
Picket and were Gabriel, and Picket only worked with the ones.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, you were pretty adman about that yesterday, and I
think you can. I was curious if the time away
would hurt him, but I guess we were going to
find out today if it if it would hurt him
or not, and it appears that it has not.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
No, and he made some nice throws in the red zone.
Seven on seven, had a touchdown to David Djoku over
the middle, had one to Tilman at the back line
that I think people they said he may have been
out of bounds by I.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Thought he might have gotten the future.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Either way, the throw was, it was an excellent throw.
And then he got into team period and that's where
Gabriel and Pickett were out. So in team it was
just Flacco with the ones, Shadour with the two's, and
Huntley would get whatever reps there were with the threes.
So I still it still is a two hoss race.
I believe for Week one starter Picket and Flacco. I

(08:40):
still think Flak Pickett is the guy that they would
like to see win the competition. And then we'll find
out ultimately you know how that how that all plays out.
But Joe Flacco had some very nice rows that I
talked about, the one to Judy on the deep one.
He had another one at David Ajoku that was a
beautiful ball on the red zones that should have been caught,

(09:01):
that was dropped, should have been a touchdown. Let me
see what else did he have? Oh, he had one
in the red zone team that was a great throw
to Luke Floria in traffic where Floria just kind of
sat down and it was a perfect ball. Andy of
the touchdown to Tillman over the middle where Tilman got
smashed and actually went to sized fine but made a

(09:23):
great catch in the middle.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Two dbs kind of ran into each other. Tilman got
a little bit of it and he was a little
bit shaken up, and you know, didn't look too bad.
Nick Scott took out but I can't remember who he
took out, but Nick Scott took out a teammate there.
The one to Floria, I mean the way he flicked
the wrist the Flaco in the red zone, like great
little option route he sat down and.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's like, yep, it was a dart. Bernie would say
it was artistic.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
It was.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
It was artistic the way that he threw it out there.
So overall, I thought it was a good day for
our offense. We talked with the hoff and he felt
like the offensive line, certainly in pass pro, was great.
We tried to run some up the middle. They've got
big defensive tackles and at times we're not able to
get that push up the middle. The thing though, that
was that bothered me about the offense's performance. If there
was one thing I would say that stood out from

(10:08):
a negative standpoint is there had to be three or
four pre snap procedural penalties, fall starts, illegal motions, and
there had to be four or five holds on runs.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
For what it's worth.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
When Dave Canallis, the Panthers coach, went to the podium,
he said his biggest issue was their pre snap penalties
and all the flags thrown on them. So I think
both coaches would say, hey, good work, Like.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Here's what was good. Here was what was good. You
just ran down what was good.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Certainly for the Browns both coaches their points would be
way too many flags.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, this was not like the setup in Philly as well,
where Philly was set up where you could kind of
stand in the middle of two fields and all the
action was either immediately to your left or right. The
way that it was set up was on one field,
we'll call it on the We'll say it's east west.
On the west end is where our offense operated. But
on the other field, on the east end is where
their offense operates. So they were one hundred yards basically

(11:05):
apart from each other on the two fields. So it's
really hard to keep track of everything that was going on.
I know that the Panthers had some success throwing the ball.
I know that our d line really dominated the day
though they felt like they were very, very good. When
when the quarterbacks of the Panthers did have time, they
made some nice stories. They've got good receivers Legion and
t mac or tet.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
He does not like to be called tet.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
What is he like?

Speaker 6 (11:29):
T mac He No, he wants to tour or to
he wants his full name. Yeah, good luck.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, I'd like to be that.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's going to be.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
It's going to be.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, you have guys. I want to just run something
by you guys. I want to run something by you're
talking about quarterbacks, you guys. Tell me, if this is fair,
can you picktt start in week one? Unless he gets hurt.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I don't know that that's entirely a lock, but it could.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's one of the vets, weird, that's my feeling.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's my feeling. And you and I've been talking about
the summer. Yeah, that's right, right, right, right, But like,
but he had the I'm saying, like, unless he's injured
in the next couple of weeks. I don't know if
are we watching a competition, is what I'm saying, because
it felt like, you know, at the beginning, it was
like it's all four, but then that's really two. But
then really, I mean, Kenny missed a week and a
half and he's right back at the top when we

(12:20):
get back to it. So look, it feels like Kenny
Pickett's the starter barring something completely unforeseen in the next
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I think it's again what all you keep using the
phrase I've used the whole time. It's his I think
I believe that it is his job to lose, and
so that could come from injury, but that could also,
like let's say we go to Philly next week and
it's just an abomination, then I think that would open
the door. I think that Joe Flacco was ready to
go and we I don't know if you saw today,
Adam Schefter thinks we're carrying all four quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
So well, who's been saying that all summer?

Speaker 7 (12:50):
You?

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, that's right, I've been saying that too.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
What like, and you've been talking about this since since
eight You're not going to cut or trade.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
One rookies rookies, you know, either through waivers to get
them to the practice squad.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
No way.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yeah, now look can one of them? Can somebody get hurt?

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Yeh?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
But on ir sure the report if the reports out
of New Orleans are true about what a disaster it
is down there. I mean, that's a team that certainly
I would imagine would be interested in in one of
the two veteran quarterbacks on our roster. Certainly Kellen Moore
obviously would know Kenny Pickett from last year. Tyler Shuck
has been tough, and I mean there are veteran playmakers

(13:30):
on that offense, and I'm sure would want a quarterback
to win.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, No, I think they're in a two year They
got two. They're gonna have two bites at the Apple
a quarterback. They're gonna get nus Meyer this year. If
they're the worst team in the league, they'll get nus
Meyer the opportunity to draft him this year and people
are coming around on him, and after that it's gonna
be arch yep. So I mean like they're in a
two year window here to try to land their quarterback.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Back to your original question, though, yes, it has been
my belief all along that it's Kenny Pickett's job to lose.
I think that it's very important that he gets some work.
But that is I feel strongly that they that the
best outcome for the Browns is that Kenny Pickett is
the best quarterback in this competition. And that's what I
felt from the from the very beginning, and we've been.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Saying that all summer. I feel like people don't haven't
been listening, but like.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I don't think you want to watch it because probably
who are fans of the Cleveland Browns for years have
been on some level indoctrinated to or want wanted to
hate Kenny Picks. He was starting quarterback for the Steelers. Yeah,
and his numbers, you know, with a bad offensive coordinator,
who to he is he even in football anymore?

Speaker 6 (14:37):
And it is no longer in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, he did have great numbers, so it was like, oh,
the guy's not good. He's won fifteen games, seven game
winning drives. I think that that's part of it. And
I think people have seen, you know, what Joe Flacco
can do and how he can throw for three hundred yards,
and we know the very very good of Joe Flacco. Unfortunately,
know some of the downside with the turnovers. But I

(14:59):
really think this is a team that is set up
right now that the way that they will win games.
I think it's very difficult. Like to me, Joe Flacco
and we were just kind of joking about on the
sideline like it would be kind of fun like week one,
be like, Okay, this is a game that we're gonna
have to win in a shootout, like play Joe Flacco.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
And I and I told you no on Earth that
could actually work well.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Styles, make the fights, you know what I mean. But
like that's not gonna happen. You can't do that in reality.
But this team is, I think gonna be hard press,
no matter who the quarterback is, is to be a
team that is like we're gonna beat you thirty seven
to thirty five. Like, I just think that's a hard scenario.
We're gonna have to play really good defense, We're gonna
have to run the ball, and I think quin John
Jenkins and getting him back is incredibly important for that.

(15:41):
And we're gonna need a quarterback that can manage the game,
not beat ourselves. And then when those few plays come
where we can hit that hard play action and you
get that deep over to Judy or whatever it is
that we are able to hit those chunk plays and
we can do that, we can be successful.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Who who would you rather see hit those chunk plays
on the play action?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Between can he pick it? And Joe Flaco?

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, because I still have memories of twenty twenty three
and I still think Joe can sling it. There's no
doubt he And I'm not rooting for Joe for Kenny,
to be clear, there's no doubt.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
There's only one man.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
In the history of this franchise to throw for three
hundred yards and four consecutive games, and he was on
the podium today wearing number fifteen with an air about
him that still believes he's gonna win the job.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I'll tell you this, dude, he may not.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Guys, I'll just tell you this too, like from a
I mean, this is this is just us talking. And
certainly Kevin's gonna do exactly what he wants to do.
He's the boss running things when it comes to the operation.
But if this is the way that it's going, I
do think you have that this fan base needs to
be able to wrap their head around Kenny and so
like if if that's the way. I mean, like, I think,
so sooner you say he's the guy Kenny's starting week one,

(16:52):
and he's our starter, the better, because I think the
last thing you want is this thing being something that
drags on. And then all of a sudden you're the
opener and it's Cincinnati and you're introducing the starting lineups
at quarterback, and the folks like, wait a second, we
want to see Flacco. Yes, So I mean, I mean
we dealt with that. I think I just think from
a messaging standpoints, do that quicker than later?

Speaker 7 (17:11):
Well?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
And I and then that goes back to what we
were saying, is that, you know, Kevin's the fancy said
it's going to be sooner or later, and more sooner
rather than later. I'm sorry, what does what does that mean?
I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
I like.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Kenny Picketts look good. Like Kenny picket out there with
the ones. Looked very good, throwing the football, made good decisions,
the balls were accurate. This guy was a first round
pick in the NFL. This is a guy who in
our division, Oh yeah, won three out of every five
games that he started.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Like, no, I understand, but I just think I think
you and we all know it because we're in the
middle of it is the collective choice. The collective needs
to start wrapping their heads around that because there's going
to be seventy thousand of them in the stands in
the opener against Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
You know, it's interesting to be as well as that
we keep going back to this idea that, oh, you
could get a first round quarterback reclamation project, right, like,
we could unlock that. But at the same time, there's
derision from most fan bases. Naturally, until you actually see
it happen. People go, oh, we can get that guy,
and they're like, ah, but he's no he's no good,

(18:19):
he's no good. But then if you actually get that
to work, the same fans are gonna say, oh, we
know all along.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Yeah, I mean, sure, of course.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Listen. It is complete revisionist history on what how things
have gone for Bake. We're here where he was the
starting quarterback and they know the rams. But I think
people forget when he went to Tampa he had to
compete with a Kyle Trask. Yeah, and a lot of
people like I thought it was gonna be Kyle Trash.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
It's his fourth bill.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
They didn't even want and Baker was a b It
was for a bucket of balls. He signed in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yes, and he made the most of it. So it
wasn't like it was, oh man, we've got him, and
certainly in Minnesota was like, oh man, now we've got
Sam Donald. Now we're ready to roll. It was supposed
to be JJ McCarthy's team. He gets hurt. Nobody there
was excited about the fact that it was Sam Darnald,
not at all, and then he goes and has a
great season. So it's one of the we'll see how
it plays out. Now. I would argue that both Sam

(19:17):
Donald with his supporting cast, and Baker and Tampa and
in that division were probably in a better position for
that kind of success than whoever it is that quarterbacks
are team this year.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
And those guys were top five picks. Topy Pickett was
in the twenties in a quarterback draft. It was down
nobody thought was any good, So there is a difference
there as well.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Right, Baker was the number one overall pick, Donald was two.
Gino Smith might be one. That is the most second
round pick. Similar in terms of that story where they
you know, he thought he was going to go a
lot earlier, he doesn't and ends up having a very
nice career and now he's the head quarter the quarterback
of the Raiders after being very successful in Seattle, been
the Pro bowler and thrown for a lot of yards
and all of that. It's listen, this is going to

(20:01):
be And I go back to when you when you
apply what I would call like big pictures sense to
it all. We went through it. You know, Joe Flacco
hasn't started ten games in a season since twenty seventeen. Yeah,
and in that period, the one year that he had
a winning record was with us. So that's what we've

(20:23):
seen and that's what we believe. And by the way,
I love Joe Flacco. I'd be thrilled I Joe Flaco
ends up being sorry corbet. I I love watching him play.
I think he's a tremendous guy. I've enjoyed thoroughly being
around him. I would root for him, period, full stop,
in any situation. But Joe Flacco can't be an answer
for this franchise in its quest to help find a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I'm not saying Kenny Pickett will be, but he at
least is a bite at that apple. Given that He's
still on his first contract and was a first round
pick in the National Football League with a winning record.
He's the winningest quarterback by percentage that has been on
a roster with the Cleveland Browns since I've been with
this organization beginning in the twenty thirteen season.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
But Joe Flato was fun Joe fla and that's that's
the issue. There were eight quarterbacks in uniform today. Brown's
stress five Carolina dressed three Carolina had Bryce Young, Andy Dalton,
and Jack and Plumber Jake Jake Plumber, Jake Plummer's kid,
the Jack Plum.

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Snakes.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
He's gotta be, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean, there are other guys that have played junior
he was learning six or let's see, it's Jack Plumber,
Jack Plummer maybe at Louisville, played at Louisal.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I would have liked to see him go to Arizona
State if it was Jake the Snake's son. No no
relation relations.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Wikipedia says not to be confused with Jake Plumber.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
Okay, but I.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like sixteen and his last name's Plumber.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Feels like it's apropos leaning into it a little bit Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
There were eight quarterbacks in uniform today, nine total there
nine because DeShawn was there as well. Yeah, eight throwing
passes by far, Joe Flacco had the best arm and
through the prettiest pass.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh yeah, and there's no second, by the way. Second
would have been Andy Dalt Andy Dolt, Yes, which is
also wild. I will say this, I had never abo
been around Bryce Young in person like that, at least
that I can recall.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Tidied answer, like the fact that he.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Is able to withstand the rigors of an SEC season
at Alabama. Now, maybe he didn't get touched much there,
but the fact that if he can that he can.
If he's able to go and play a seventeen game
season and play well like he did the end of
last year. He made some good throws against us today,
it would literally boggle my mind.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's pretty wild when you when you see him in person.
He was so great at Alabama, won the Heisman, obviously,
but it's pretty wild because CJ was in that draft
and CJ looks like an NFL quarterback. Well, that's what
I said six thirty six four, Like he's an NFL size,
got a lot of good weight in his lower body
like you can stand hits. He's got all of it,
Like it's pretty wild. But you have those two things

(23:06):
standing next to each other, and you went that way.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well, I mean a lot of people thought, he you know,
he's he's Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Why that kind of yeah, but why did we miss
that outline? It's so he's an outlier amongst outlines.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, I think people are. That's the words that was used.
He is an outlier. Like so, there was a meeting
before we even went over to where practice was, where
their leadership crew came out of their locker room. Our
leadership crew came out of our locker room. They talked, Hey,
where no no fights, like let's protect each other, but
it's good, good work. A lot of hug a lot
of hugging. Yeah, and Bryce Young was amongst them. If

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he had like a different face on his same body,
you would be like he's the coaches, the equipment intern
son or something like he is with out pads on it,
I mean he is. I would just be worried about him,
like with my people like Miles Garrett running out like
it's but he's listen, guy's a good player, gotta respect.

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And that year he was kind of like always gonna
be the first pick, you know what I mean, And
it was it was Houston. Irony of it is Houston
with Davis Mills hitting the guy who came and played
with us, Jordan Akens for not only a fourth and
twenty out of nowhere touchdown, then a two point conversion

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like Pryce Young would have been a Texan. John McClain,
the General, has said it like there's if they had
the first pick, he was going to be a Texan, period,
and that to me seems like that's probably a better
environment for me. He feels to me like he's a
guy that should be not that the weather in Carolina
is bad, but that's a domeed quarterback.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Absolutely, there was a moment here.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Both today, you know, between between periods where Bryce and
Dylan Gabriel, Bryce Young Dylan Gabriel were standing there in
the field to have a conversation. I know a lot
of Browns fans I've said plenty about Dylan Gabriel's size, right,
but you put those two and they were pretty much
eyed eye face to face each other.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Dylan Gabriel is a lot.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Thicker right way way sturdier, I think, taller, than Bryce Young.
Maybe he's he's taller than it as well, but wow,
you know as much as as people go, oh, how
how does Dylan Gabriel survive at that size?

Speaker 6 (25:14):
He's bigger than Bryce Young.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, you guys were going through some of
the practices and we got derailed by this quarterback conversation.
I thought it was important to have. But in terms
of what you saw from our defense, this is where
we have to make our hay and it's going to
start up front. What can you tell, you know, our fans,
our audience about what you guys saw defensively.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
So again we were not as close to the defensive action,
but what we did get to watch some our line
against their line and in one on ones and in
other drills and unfair our line dominated. I mean Miles
Garrett he did a euro step on on Ikey Aquana
that ike Equanu audibly he didn't touch him, did not

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make contact with him, and audibly went like oh like
groaned and Miles didn't even look like he was going
full speed.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
It was nice.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Alex Wright, who will hear from put a guy right
on his butt. Mason Graham had a couple of good
rushes Aquara had some good rushes. Try On Showyinka had
some good rushes. Maguire, Aiden, Aiden Huntington. Aiden Huntington looked
very good. And he's an interesting one. The Browns have
always kind of had, like Sam Kamara, where it's he

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an end, is he a tackle? We don't know? And
Aiden Huntington has kind of been that guy this year
and he looked. He looked good in those periods as well.
And what I was told from people coming off on
the Brown side was that they felt and in special
teams you saw it as well. The physicality of our
training camp, like that we were way more physically prepared

(26:52):
for this joint practice than they were, and that the
physicality of our training camp has put us in a
much better spot. All the players are happy about it,
all of them. I haven't talked to one player who
was like, man, I wished, you know, we weren't tagged
there like we were. Were so much better. It's so
much better for us, so much better for our bodies.

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And they felt very good about that. So I thought
from a physicality standpoint, we did good. Tony Brown had
an interception that got everybody all fired up. Off of
Andy Dalton that was probably the big highlight. But listen,
the Panthers are gonna be able to score. They've got
and you talk about their skill, They've got good skill.
They're gonna be able to score the football this year.

Speaker 9 (27:31):
Frecas is Tony Brown got into a little frakus. I
did may or may not have thrown the football at
a player.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
CAZy got a little freakus.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
It got a little capitate a human stunning, just stunning.
Ye uh, you know, sarcastic. Look they mentioned the defensive line.
I got a chance to walk over and watch ro
O line versus their D line one on ones, like
in position group work, we man handle people. I'm a

(27:59):
little concerned. Yeah, I'm a little concerned about the backup
tackle stuff, but the interior line only, but also back
the starters everybody.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Hoff even said He's like, I feel so much better
about our backup tackles now because we were kind of
getting down on them because our backup ends are so good.
That he said that he felt really good and it
was really cool to watch. So Joe has basically in
the he's coaching the O line. He did it, you know,
at training camp Monday, and then continued obviously days gonna

(28:32):
do it all week. And he's basically taken Dewan under
his wing and he's all fired up. He's like, he's
such a willing listener, and you could see his confidence
grow as he was implementing some of the things we
talked about and dwand had a great day and and
Joe was very very proud of him. But he you know,
and a happy birthday by the way to Dewan Jone's today. Yeah,

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he was pleased at our our o line handled they
were damed pretty impressive now by the way, we should
right like weould. Yeah, the Carolina Panthers have had the
second few of sacks in the league each of the
last two seasons. That's not what they're necessarily known for now.
I know they've tried to address it in the draft
this year to get more pressure on the quarterback. But
this is we We handled them well, very well. And

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it was that was encouraging.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
That image that Hoff tweeted out of him next to Dewan,
Like you don't even if you haven't stood next to Joe,
even with even though he's incredible shape now and not
in planing weight anymore, Joe is an enormous human human
and Dwan looked like he could eat him. Yeah, I
mean he had him by like looks like he had
him by like three inches or four and one hundred

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and something. I mean just massive. You just forget how
And there's that image from early in camp of him
in miles like you just forget like how big he
is as a human.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
Oh yeah. By the way, I would also say this,
there's a few other guys on that offensive line now
that they've brought in that are very very large humans.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
Lucas Oh, I was like.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
Okay, a lot of height, got a good basketball squad.
Let's see what happens. But like Jenkins played well, I
think we're gonna hear from coach about this in the
in the next segment.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:13):
I think the one concern he kind of dropped in
his presser this morning that our our pick last year
from Michigan, zex Zenter, got hurt in the practice on
Monday and didn't even make the trip here. And I'm like, whoa, Okay,
what's going on there? But the rest of the offensive

(30:33):
line interior outside Whippler looked good. Whippler Pancake, the guy
it was, you should feel really good about that spot.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Whippler's look pretty good.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think, yeah, well he's really good before the injury too. Yeah,
hopefully can get back to that point. Those are hot
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you you can expect from that preseason game on Friday.
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Kevin Stefanski held his press conference. Let's start with the
opening statement. Here is coach and his plan for Friday.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
On the game itself. You know, we got game Friday
night coming up. We'll rest some starter, some players will play,
obviously holding out some guys due to injury as you know,
and then we'll play Schador at quarterback. We just signed
Snoop Huntley, as you guys saw. We'll see get Snoop
back up to speed quickly. He's been in a couple
of different offenses since we left saw him. So he's

(32:11):
doing a great job of working at it. But it's
a great opportunity for all of our young players in
that football game.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Speaking of Snoop Huntley, here is Kevin on getting Huntley
up to speed to play on Friday.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
We're gonna work through it, Tony. I mean, Snoop just
got here yesterday, so I just want to want to
see how he's dealing with the terminology and all those
type of things. Is there any Jews at anybody other
than those two at quarterback at quarterback?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right, And to that end, here's why Dylan Gabriel
won't play in preseason game number one.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
Just being very careful with him.

Speaker 8 (32:42):
Don't want to expose him to any unnecessary, you know, strain.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
If you will all right.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Here are if any coaches concerns about putting introuder with
the second team offensive line versus a first team defensive
line from Carolina.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
I think it's just preseason ball, Mary Kay. Where you
may have some ones going against twos, twos going against ones.
You could have there's different guys in there at different times.
But I think both sides, particularly in that first game,
it's all about playing fast. So you typically don't see
a ton of looks that are unusual per se. So

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if you stick to your rules and you stick to
what you've been taught over the last few weeks, you
should be able to operate and function well.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
And finally, here as coach with his expectations for Shador
on Friday Night.

Speaker 8 (33:31):
Yeah, my expectations for Shador are no different than the
rest of the guys, honestly, Mary Kay, that we.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Expect them to go operate.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
When you get in these preseason games, you try to
keep it very simple so that guys can play fast,
all concepts that our players know and can kind of
not think too much and just play ball.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
You know, we talked about this, We touched on this
a little bit yesterday. Ze and Andrew I know you
were here in studio as we were discussing it. There's
just a wide array of thought on what to do
with these preseason games. And the reality is that, you know,
for Kevin, he've used the more important work to be
the joint practice that happened that you guys just witnessed.
But for Canalis, he's gonna put his ones out there.

(34:11):
And we've heard from Joe Burrow he wants to play
a lot in the preseason, and so Jamar Chase is
gonna play a lot in the preseason, and t Higgins
canna play a lot in the preseason. So it's just
a on this specific issue, this league is not on
the same page at all. And I think it's gonna
you're gonna see it on Friday Night when they're ones
are there for a couple of series against our twos
and threes.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
And it's one of the interesting things about how it's
unfolding all over the place. You were talking. We were
talking earlier that Tennessee Brian Callahan said the cam Ward
is gonna play significantly in all three preseason games. The stars,
all the starters, don't I don't get to me. The risk,
you know, the risk reward is a very delicate balance,
and you can't win any games at that point. But

(34:54):
I understand you know, wanting to hit the ground running
and have everything roll in the way that it.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
I do as well.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
It's a dicey proposition, it really is.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Here's my issue is that the season, the regular season
is longer than it has ever been.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
So I don't mind playing your starters in a preseason game.
I certainly encourage playing your rookies in as many snaps
and as many competitive opportunities as you can to the
month of August to get them ready.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
But if you are a team that has an eye
on playing in January, and maybe the Tennessee Titans know
that that is not their likely future, I don't do it.
I have to consider and we're gonna get to eighteen
games in a few years as well, and we'll have
a shorter preseason when that does happen, gone will be
We're not gonna have a three game preseason. We might
only have a one game preseason at that point, and

(35:45):
that has to be collectively barkained. But I think the
length of the season these days, and just like the
games I'm excited for Friday indor totally. I don't mind
that the Browns starters are not playing. I'm fine with that.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
So am I so am I I mean I again,
we saw them get good work today, and the guys
that you wanted to see look good, certainly from an
offensive standpoint, did so. Yeah, I'm that the joint practice
is they reduce the need for that. Now that third
week at home against the Rams, especially you're opening the
season at our stadium, I think it would be good
for the starters to go through the normal pregame warm up,

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go through, play a series or two, and then that's fine.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
Sean mcvagy won't play anybody, No, he will, and that
will be a sticks In Bennett game. I guarantee you
right now he will play all that'll be a stets
In Bennett and Dresser win game. Dresser winmen actually play
the whole game.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I mean, this articulates the point. We just kind of
articulated the issue though that there's a wide this this
league is group thing happens, but in this issue it
just hasn't. And there's I don't know what the right
path is. I mean, I understand why Cincinnati's doing what
they're doing. I get it. You gotta off to a
slow start last year, and you could argue that loss
to New England costs you a chance at the playoffs

(36:59):
undred percent. One other game did of did now does it?
Does it necessarily mean? Wait on, hold on a second.
I mean, we are in a We're in it's Oh
my god, this is what a look president swags. I mean,
it's all business. It's all business today, It's all business.
There was a button up as we reached the top

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of the stairs. Oh it's a dark suit and a
white shirt. It's gorgeous.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
So it's different than yesterday's Monoco.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yesterday was Monico and he was ready for the Grand Prix.
I mean that was a totally different setup. But yeah,
I mean so, I guess there is the thing about
it is is you, to me, you have to be
honest to what you believe in if you are coaching
one of these teams, and the thing going on in Cincinnati.
To me, it's like, is there's no proof that this

(37:49):
is going to change anything about how you start. There's
no way of knowing if it is or isn't that
that Burrow did or did not play in the preseason.
That's why they started slow. The last few years, they're
basically like, Hey, this doesn't work, let's try something new.
And now they're putting a guy who's missed parts of
two seasons, big parts of two seasons, in harm's way
more than normal.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Do you wonder who's in charge there? I know Zach's
the head coach. I like Zach, but this Gilborrow's him
to be like Joe Burrow saying and he said it
on the podium, and he maybe said it on the podium,
although I don't know this for a fact, don't know
this for a fact before he told Zach Taylor because
he was just probably asked the question I want to play,
and Zach Taylor now is gonna go, okay, you can play,

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because if he says no, I'm not going to play
then or I'm not gonna play you guys, then it
becomes something bigger.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, it could be. So this for for our game,
you're gonna what was your feeling on what Canal has
said to say about?

Speaker 7 (38:44):
What?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Did I hear this?

Speaker 7 (38:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Twelve like twelve rests.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
For twelve plays, eight to twelve one to two series
eight to twelve plays is what he's hoping for. By
the way, what that means series.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Right, right? What what are you what is a realistic
view of what Shador can do in his time?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I don't know. That's a great question.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
It's a great question.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
I don't know how we're going to kind of call
it on offense? What are what are we trying to
get out of it? How many things are we pulling
out for him? Who's he playing? Who's he throwing the
ball to? Like, well, you have Deontay Johnson out there,
Will you have Jamari Thrash out there? Obviously, Luke Florida,
engage Larvadan, They'll be out there. Will Harold Fannon be
out there?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Because he had in the backfield?

Speaker 7 (39:28):
Right?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
So, I don't know. I think what you want to
see him do is and I'm going sound like stefancy
at first, but then I'm going to say beyond that,
you know, operate it effectively, get in and out of
the huddle, get the play calls in things that he
did not have to do in college, because you're not
going to be able to do the other stuff that's
the fun stuff in the NFL. If you can't do that,
So do that first and foremost, and then second of all,

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I want to see him make plays. I want to
see him stand the pocket and rip the ball in
the intermediate game. That to me is the biggest question
with him, because there are times as a tendency to
throw the ball fading back even when there isn't pressure there,
then that is going to reduce your velocity. So I
want to see him in there be able to rip
the ball in the intermediate some of those tight window throws,

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especially to the middle of the field.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
We don't know who's calling it either, Like, no, that
is Kevin Collin plays. I mean, sometimes you have those
duties off in the preseason. We know that John Idzick
or Brad Idzick, a big a pardon the son of John.
He's going to be calling the offensive plays for Carolina.
Jonathan Cooley, the dB coach, is gonna be calling the
defense for Carolina. I have no idea who's calling the rounds.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
No, the Browns are. Usually they'll let a lot of
people be involved in that, but it's usually kept pretty
close to the vest. Who does it when they do it.
I also haven't asked, so I'm just saying, you know,
even if we did, I'm not sure we would necessarily
get an answer.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Let me. Uh you guys, we didn't get to this
in the first segment, but I'm gonna hit you with
a couple of our rookies. You tell me what you saw,
if anything, to Mason Graham, how did it? What did
you see, if anything from him?

Speaker 7 (41:02):
Today?

Speaker 6 (41:03):
He was runner with the ones. I thought he looked
good in the one on one drills.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Candidly, Nathan and I were standing over with the offense
the entire day. I didn't see much of the defense, Gibbie,
Mason Graham, your thoughts anything stand down.

Speaker 9 (41:15):
Just like a lot of the defensive line. I mean,
he's I wasn't sure what to expect when he said
he came to camp and he was down to like
two ninety I think, And I was like, I don't
think I want my defensive tackle losing weight prior to
training camp. But okay, he's moving fast. Yeah, I mean
he's very very quick. I think he's got a really

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nice first step, and I think he is. He and
Malik Collins, because I don't want to short change that
other side of it, from the defensive tackle side. Those
two are really opening things up for a guy that
we're going to hear from in a little bit Alex Right,
Isaiah McGuire try on Shayanka and of course Miles.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I just think defense until we get my callback in.

Speaker 9 (41:59):
Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, right, you're not
concerned a whole lot about anybody on that defensive line.
And I think Graham he had a couple of rookie moments.
I think he and Swesssinger both just need to be
careful on overplaying. Because that was the next one.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I was gonna ask, you give a Swessinger because obviously,
you know, you used to going against our guys and
you know our scheme and all of that. But now
and he's been great, what does it look like going
against you know, an opposition.

Speaker 9 (42:27):
Yeah, I think I think he just at times he
just needs to slow down a little bit. I mean
he's around the He's around the play no matter what,
like at the end when they're on piling, he's always there.
So I mean he he knows where he needs to be.
I think it just letting the play come to him.

(42:47):
I think the whole linebacker core the only concern. Running game,
I think they're okay. The passing game, I think that
there's some work to be done. I think Jason would
probably tell you that to.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Be a coverage standpoint, Yeah, and to be fair out
you know, obviously in the past coverage just in general,
you didn't have MJ. Emerson out there. You also, Greg
Newsom didn't participate in the team drills even though he
could have there, being you know, judicious with that. So
you're you know, you're starting corners four and five alongside

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Denzel Ward. So yeah, but MJ's not going to be
there wells now, but Greg Newsom is and Greg Newsom
is a makes a difference compared to what else was
out there, correct, Yeah, all.

Speaker 9 (43:32):
Right, and again you see some stuff and you're like, Okay,
maybe there's something wrong, but maybe there's not. So it's
it's a joint practice. I think you get a better
idea after Friday night and then next week.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
What did you guys see from from Harold Finn and
Junior On your.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
End, he's out there a lot, moving around a lot.
He had a couple of like short crossers that he caught.
But he's in he's involved with the starters significantly.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
So we have yet to see him in camp with
a big explosive, but that that's not what he's running.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Well, he had on the tight end screen, the tight
right and the live pier.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
That was one that he was able to make something
out of a short pass. Yeah, and we've through traffic
and it was great. I'm saying we haven't seen him
with a doubt feel correct shot. We haven't. We haven't
seen Harold fanned down the seam for twenty five yet
no correct correct All right?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Coming up next, ze goes one on one with Alex Wright.
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Speaker 3 (45:20):
Very happy to be joined out by Brown's defensive end.
Alex Right and Alex how did it feel to get
out here go against somebody else today at this joint practice.

Speaker 10 (45:27):
I feel like we got a different look than going
against each other in practice always, so it's always I
feel like it just kept us honest and working on craft.
You know, we're not going against the same people all
the time, so being able to just get a different field,
different old linemen and different sets and different hands and
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
So it just felt it felt good.

Speaker 10 (45:45):
It just pretty much pretty much sharpening your arsenal what
you do have.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
So I mean it felt good.

Speaker 10 (45:51):
You know, different, you're hearing different things, you hearing different catuses,
you hearing different term you know catuses with the quarterback,
herbo snaps and stuff like that. Just pretty much, so
we're not used to just hearing Joe or Dylan or
Shador or Kenny or stuff like that. Just you hear
you hear from a different a different voice and a
different type of scheme. So I mean, it's it's it

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just keeps you understand it just keeps you working so well.

Speaker 7 (46:15):
Couldn't help.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
But notice you also put some people on their butts
today that probably had to feel good. And you know
this has been look good. That's Jockxy's there's defensive line.
Coach was very pleased with what he saw. You guys
have had a physical camp. This is the most physical
camp from a Brown standpoint, that you've been a part of.
And it felt like today you could see the fruits
of that.

Speaker 10 (46:34):
Yeah, I mean it's just we we we preach dominance.
We preach what are you doing?

Speaker 9 (46:40):
Bro?

Speaker 10 (46:42):
We were were We preached dominance. We preach as not
only as a D line, but as all defense, you know,
just being a badass defense, not only from the D line,
but from everybody else as a whole standpoint. You know,
we all work together, we all messed together, and if
we messed together, then you know, good things will happen.
So I mean just being a physical shoot, it's a
it's a it's a game of football. This is this

(47:04):
is nothing new. I mean, yes, it has been different
from the time from when I first came came to
Cleveland to now.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
This has been the most physical. But I don't complain.
This is this.

Speaker 10 (47:12):
I feel like this is what we need it, Yeah,
because I feel like the more the more physicality there is,
the more prepared body wise we will be going into
the season due to you know, injuries and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
So I mean.

Speaker 10 (47:27):
It's it's he's b it's it's been a good preparation
for us.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
But it's also has been a good mindset.

Speaker 10 (47:33):
That's just you just gotta beat our beat, beat it
into our heads that you know, we're a good defense.
They got us ranked seven, but we could go higher
than that, you know. So just preaching it to the
choir every day, uh and means and stuff like that,
and just holding each other accountable, cause we want everybody
to be our best and we don't want nobody to settle.
Whether that's just simple stuff like running to the ball
or just hands, whether that's stuff like uh I uh

(47:55):
hand oye uh, coordination with uh, you know, drills and
stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
You know, just taking it serious. So I mean.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
For how big of a season is this for you?
Obviously last year, you know, go back to Jackson, you
make that huge play and then unfortunately you're battling injuries
and then your season was cut short. Here, you are
a veteran now right, big year for you. You look great,
you can tell you're feeling good. What's kind of your
mindset going in this season? And and what did you
learn from from the adversity of last year.

Speaker 10 (48:23):
I mean it's all just about how you prepare yourself
and and just staying positive. I mean just when I
got here last year, you know, it just did something.
It just did something mentally to me to the point
where you know I had to, you know, just sit
down with family, sit down with God, sit down with myself,
and you just say, you know, what are you going
to do to make yourself jump to the next level.

(48:45):
You know, I don't want to be just the guy,
well he's came back. Uh, yeah, he's fine. I wouldn't
be the guy to come and say it looked like
he has miss a step since he came back, or
it looked like he looks even better than when he
came back.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
What was he doing?

Speaker 10 (48:55):
You know, I want I want people to, you know,
ask questions, what was he doing while we while we
are you know, what was he doing while he was
taking the time off? Was he building his body right?
What what was he training? What did what did he do?
Because he looks different. And when I say different, I
mean different as in a great way, not a good way,
not a great way, but more of a leeway, you know,
just trying to fit my craft and stuff like that.

(49:15):
So it's kind of like what you want you always.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Hated, bro go inside bro.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Okay, MALIEK Collins.

Speaker 7 (49:26):
MALIEK.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Collins given some props to Alex right our guests here,
But yeah, and listen, it's an exciting time for you.
This is this is a year where you want not
only to prove I'm sure to yourself, but to everybody
else that we've seen you go on those streaks where
you have a sack in five straight games, making the
big plays as you have.

Speaker 10 (49:39):
The craziest part is I don't really try to streak
it up as much as but it's always like that little,
that little ear, you know, the deviling age is like, yeah,
kind of up another sack. You gotta get another secret game,
you know, SA game. But it's not no man, I'm
just going to have fun, you know. And that's what
you know. I sat down and talked with some players
and stuff like that, and it's like the more you
think about it is like the more you stress about it, Like,

(50:00):
the more you stress about it's more as like now
you're trying to make plays, and now you're not trying
to make like you're trying to make The more you
try to make players, it's like it's not gonna happen.
So it's like, right now, I'm taking the initiative to
just relax, have fun, work on my repertoire, work on
my arsenal, just get better every day. Like like MG said,
it's it's two weeks in the training can like it's
it's gonna look a little sloppy, it's gonna look not

(50:21):
as polisive.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
But that's that's the that's the foundation of it. That's
the best part of it.

Speaker 10 (50:25):
Because once the season is up and running, you know,
I feel like I hit that full potential. So it's
not just, uh, I'm not really worried about the whole season.
You know, I'm just glad. I'm I'm glad to be back.
I'm glad my arm is better, I'm glad everything else
is better. It's just about just having fun and just
relaxing and just just playing to my feels and just
trusting myself and you know, and I trust in God,
it myself that good things happened as long as I

(50:45):
trusted myself, and I know that I can make plays
instead of just thinking I can make this play, No,
that's fun. I'm I'm I make the play if I
do the right things. And when I said when I
do the right things, that's just that's just just breathe,
you know, like that's that's that's the main thing I
say before they play.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Just breathe, relax, briefe and let it come.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Let let the gifts you've got take over. And you're
in a room where with Miles and yourself and Isaiah
and Joe now and Julian and Cam where you know
in the game you're gonna get You're gonna be in,
You're gonna be out. You're gonna be fresh when you're
out there, you're gonna be fresh. Do you kind of
like that knowing that you guys have such a good
group and you can be inside, you can be out
to There can be four of you on the field.
There could be three of you on the field. You
guys can attack.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I've said the verse, the more versative it the better.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
The more versative, the better I mean That's something that
I've been to preach too since college, even though I
hated it at first, but you know, just that's what
my coach was saying. He was like, he was pretty
much like, you know, just if you want to reach
the next level, you know, this is what you have
to be. You have to be first, you have to
be just how you said, first and versatile. I'm like,
I don't know about three tap. He was like, you know,
he was like, oh, shut up and get in three takes.

(51:44):
I'm like, okay, So once I you know, once I
did it, it was like, Okay, this is.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
I can do this.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
This is run around those guards, this is this way
easier than I thought.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
So, I mean, it was just it was so much
of it just just having those guys and the experience
from those guys, and you know, just keeping everybody first
and you're keeping the old lineman just honest okay, and
you know, just coming in it's just trying to take
advantage of them being fatigued.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
So, I mean, it's it's a good thing.

Speaker 10 (52:09):
It's a it's a it's a great thing actually, But
I'm just looking forward to seeing those guys ball and
myself ball. So other than that we have a good liner.
I feel like this is one of the best best
line as we had in a while. So we just,
you know, we just put it all online in practice
and then you know, when the game time comes, hit
it all on folds for everybody to see.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
How excited are you for Friday? Just to get back there.
And I know it's preseason, it's not the regular season game,
but just to get back there and play a football
game again.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
I get goosebumps. I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 10 (52:37):
I mean at times, you know, I try to relax myself,
but you know, I think I called a little bit
of PTSD last year. Just yeah, I'm going against a
team got heard last year.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
And then you know, you try to block out that
noise because it's like it's a new year. I put
in the work.

Speaker 10 (52:52):
You know, I had to snap myself back to reality,
like I'm back now. So once I said I was back,
that's when you know, I just took off and just
started having fun. So I'm I mean, I probably get goosebumps,
but it's not like an environment that I haven't played in.
I played in Carolina before. That was my first regular
season game as a rookie. So I know the vibe
of a preseason game, not only just a regular game,

(53:13):
but a preseason game. I know how it feels to
be on their turf. I know how it feels to
move around and stuff like that. It's nothing new. So
I mean, I'm just happy just to fly around it.
Just just be available and you know, and just to recavy.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
So a work side of your back, Alex, best of
luck to you, have fun out there and not looking
forward to a big season for you here in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Appreciate it, Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Thank you all right, great stuff there with Ze and Alex.
Coming up next, Miles Garrett from the podium. You're listening
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(54:33):
good day.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Just I mean I feel like you got a cow
much what you hope to a cower?

Speaker 11 (54:38):
Yeah, for sure. I mean it wasn't perfect as far
as you know it being clean, but the guy's getting
after competing, no stepping up to the challenge. You No,
it's first time getting in front of another team. I
like where I hedge rat. I like how well we
have the intensity and try to raise it to our
own And it was a good, good step forward and

(54:58):
trying to create a standard.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You almost expects things not to be, not to be
cleansed in Christ precise that first time out.

Speaker 9 (55:05):
No.

Speaker 11 (55:05):
Yeah, I mean there's so many different you know, groups
that we have with one, twos, threes, and you know
cycling through that. You know you sometime you playing with
guys here, you know you haven't had a lot of
reps with and so you're not you're not expecting him
to be there.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
The communication is not.

Speaker 11 (55:19):
Exactly where uh it needs to be with uh a guy,
you're you're getting three or four reps with so no
y y you wanna you wanted to be clean, you
wanted to be smooth and perfect, but j it's gotta
you gotta get more reps.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
None else on the page track you're seeing chugor kind
of and.

Speaker 6 (55:34):
They hew thee a little bit, dif reps some to
be picking your brains a.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Little bit or whatever, kind of just wondering what your.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Response are, uh shogork kind of how he's conducted himself
this camp and then now he's getting his start up Friday.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
Night for your cuss.

Speaker 11 (55:48):
I mean he's it's funny, he's optimistic, light hearted, Uh,
but he works hard.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
You know, he takes it. He takes it seriously.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
Uh, his craft and he he's watching what the others
are doing and and you know, doing it his own
way in which only he can.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
So you know, looking forward to s to see him.

Speaker 11 (56:03):
You know, then this these preseason games and you know
how he uh you know, manages the offense.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
But you know, I think he he looks good. But
all the guys look good right now?

Speaker 6 (56:11):
And does he does they show an issue kid on
his curtain?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I mean and maybe you can turn talking.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Like you know, technical football or years so how will Yeah?

Speaker 6 (56:19):
But is he picking your brains on certain things.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
Like what you expect when you're for sure not always?
Uh you know when you see him and he picking
my brain?

Speaker 11 (56:26):
But you know, he he's definitely coming to me a
couple of times to to see what you know, I'm
thinking now I'm going through my rush or what the
what the defense's uh you know, mentality is what else?

Speaker 7 (56:35):
For one over? What thinks you know?

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Or what do you think about in your work against
racial today?

Speaker 11 (56:40):
Uh? Yeah, I mean I think he looks a lot
more comfortable, you know than uh, you know the first
time he you know, he suited up and I think
he uh they've really ra rallied around him and seeing
that he can he can lead this team and and
uh do well you know, the the playmaking and game
change ability hasn't changed, and you know, I think it
it w it's just uh him you know, finding his

(57:01):
own confidence, being comfortable in the role and uh them
no help allowing him to lead and no standing behind him,
and I think that was that was big for him.
And you know he's only gonna continue to settle in
and and become a bigger and bigger, play meaner.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Can that help a a young player, would you know?
They they I know they set him for a little
bit and and let any start forward.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
But can that help with young way sometime to kind
of step back and you know, kind of.

Speaker 11 (57:26):
Reset and you know, kind of see I I think
in most cases for quarterbacks that's imperative. Don't to allow
them to get some perspective, you know, take a step back,
not not be you know, expected to change a franchise
or a team overnight. You know, allow allow yourself to
be guided by some of the people who came before you,
who who who have seen the game, who have game
experience and and you can really learn from. And then

(57:49):
once you're you're ready to to take that role, let
it happen gradually instead of suddenly and be thrust into
a position where it's, uh's make a break.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
You guys are trying to change this franchise or with
three weeks Sam, but you see.

Speaker 11 (58:00):
What what you're feeling on on how things you know,
I like how to I I like how the the
standard has continued to increase, you know every single day.

Speaker 9 (58:08):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (58:08):
You know, guys are really showing uh uh a t
an attention to detail and uh a discipline that I
don't feel was there all the time last year. And
know it's a you know, hiding, a hiding awareness, hide
and urgency right now and UH don't wanna continue to
see that through the rest of the year.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
Why else are gonna how you trace established that talk
A lot of them to talk about.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
Anta blanstt what in a conversation you pascarage to established them?

Speaker 11 (58:34):
I feel like there w it was a a nupper
all around, from from coaches to players. You know, it's
it's gotta be you know, everyone in the building. You know,
from from Haslam down to uh you know, the the
the last guy on the on the roster, you know,
he everyone's gotta out the same mindset of what we
expect from you know, every single one of us walking
into that building. And I think it's gotta it's gotta

(58:55):
continue to be pushed by you know, the leaders of
the team who uh, who have been expected to rise
up to that role. And I think a lot of
guys have have stepped into it, and uh gonna make
the most of it.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Else, Okay, this.

Speaker 10 (59:07):
Trip and next each trip kind of help with ham
rodried or che Nellie is goldn't get.

Speaker 11 (59:12):
Away and do the sex teams sure can be good,
you know, as long as you can come into the
the right mindset, you know, trying to get something out
of it and not looking at it as a on
a an escape or a vacation. You know, you've you've
gotta look as a way to get better. You getting
compete against you know, some of the very best and
in the position across the league. So I'll take it
as a challenge. Uh use these these different looks, these

(59:35):
different players as a as a uh way to grow
a uh as a as a player and a teammate
as a leader. And uh you know just look forward
to uh you know working with your brother. No uh
t take it with a smile on your face, and
and uh you'll continue to attack the role every time.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Sometimes where she can set its flack.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
I gonna enough, but getting up there sometimes.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
Where you can set this flack of guy in practice.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
With like you came.

Speaker 11 (01:00:02):
Mander's a play when when he was on the Jets
where I had him dead to rights and I got
snagged down by the back of my shoulder pads.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
And it it was fourth quarter. They were making their
comeback and out of the end.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Of the game.

Speaker 11 (01:00:15):
And I'll never forget that look at his face every
time we sit close to each other in t meeting.
But I get I've I've done buried the hatchet and
UH glad to see him with us, see the good guys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Oh as he really is the last one that's doing
uh with you kind of healthy to want uh get ready.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
For whatever he's for the face to season.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
Nope, continue to you know, build his confidence.

Speaker 10 (01:00:36):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
I know it could be difficult sometimes.

Speaker 11 (01:00:39):
If I if I make a play or if I
beat 'em, but you know, just just trying to coach
'em through, you know, some things that I see what
I'm doing, and uh, you know, I can continue to
improve his technique and his fundamentals and and I think
the main thing for him is confidence and being on
the left side, you know, making sure that he knows
he he's capable of, uh, you know, winning on that
side and dominating one side. It's just a matter of

(01:01:01):
you know, switching those funnelmentals a little a little bit,
you know, and uh no, sticking with it. No, sometimes
that he gets in his head a little bit, but
I I I know he has to the the ability
to go out there and dominate on the left side
of the rights or whatever the he's called to do.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
Why else the fifteen name, where are you?

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
They stray?

Speaker 9 (01:01:19):
Where did they steen?

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
You're getting for the most stings sample really just just kind.

Speaker 11 (01:01:25):
Of based stations, based most well, I've seen us scroll
the most. Uh, I would saying maturity, you know, just
just stepping up. A lot of guys were young looking.
I mean, obviously you're younger last year, but I don't
feel like they they knew they had a a voice.
And leadership comes to you know any year. You know,

(01:01:46):
whether you're year one, year nine, you know, you step
up to the role and you're able to lead by
your actions.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
And and by your words.

Speaker 11 (01:01:54):
I th I feel like guys don't understand that, no
year one, you lead by by example, right by no,
said sett.

Speaker 7 (01:02:00):
An example every single day.

Speaker 11 (01:02:01):
No Carson going out there and getting extra represent when
we're running no skills and bigs. He's he's up there
with the you know, the the top three fastest guys.
And that's how he lets for example, and and not
necessarily with his voice. And I can continue to see
him do that, and that's how he keep rolls in
that role. And I've seen some of the linemen do
that as well, especially the young guys.

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Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Mister Siciliana, I know you've seen Hard Knocks because you're
hosting the accompanying podcast that goes with it, Gibe and Z.
Did you take partake last night.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Of the Hard Knocks?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Of the Hard Knocks?

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
We did not partake. We did partake in a delicious meal,
fantastic meal at the Custom Shop in Charlotte.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
Joe Thomas ordered the whole menu.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Yes, it's basically yeah, I think we're gonna have all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Well, what was the best thing you had on the
menu since you ordered the whole men?

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Uh, that duck breast was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
And then that pastry, the puff pastry filled with.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
Accompanying the duck breast fee that was very good. H fantastic?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Was the blue crab.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
Was Gibby?

Speaker 9 (01:04:18):
There had a brisket Philly at a bar with a
couple of wings and a few beers.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
He was he was working hard for you. We were
stick up this booth, Yeah, we were.

Speaker 9 (01:04:27):
We were setting up here till like e.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
I hope we could go out Thursday after the coaches show.

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
Give me, I'm fine with that, before the game and
all through the house.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Here's what I uh. This is the reason so I
did watch. I'm glad that we talked about it yesterday
because I had forgot that it was starting. For some reason,
I haven't seen much about it this year like I
have in previous years, so I had forgotten that it
was starting. I think that it is as positively as
I have ever gotten window into a super duper star

(01:05:02):
athlete like Josh Allen. I think I mean in terms
of someone who is an MVP caliber married to a
Hollywood starlet. Like everything, the way he goes about his business,
the way he carries himself, the way he interacts with
his teammates, the fans, the coaches, ownership, all of it.
It is superstar central casting. It truly is. And I

(01:05:26):
think because it's funny, like, you know, we're talking about
our quarterback competition, and in Columbus, I'm talking about the
quarterback competition down there. We're always in this constant pursuit
of quarterback. And as I'm watching this thing last night,
you start to realize, and I know you guys don't
know the story, but like I don't know how much
of our audience really does. This is a guy who
did not have a single Division I scholarship offer out
of high school, not FBS or FCS, not one. In fact,

(01:05:49):
the only reason he ended up at Redley College at
junior college is because there was a relative on their
staff through marriage to someone who is related to him.
And then after he played there, he sent letters a
mass email to every Division one school in the country.
Two offered him a scholarship, Eastern Michigan and Wyoming. Eastern
Michigan pulled the scholarship on Josh Allen. And the only

(01:06:12):
reason he ended up at Wyoming is because Craig Boll,
who was at North Dakota State, had an assistant named
Brent Vegan who's now the head coach at Montana State,
and Vegan thought he reminded him of Carson Wentz, and
that's how he ended up at Wyoming. Nowadays, if he
has that junior season at Wyoming, he would have got
five million dollars to go be the quarterback at Texas,
he didn't, and so he stayed there and the rest

(01:06:35):
is history. But in terms of just a well adjusted,
like everything you'd want a franchise quarterback, super duperstar every
box Andrew, I just he was so positively. I just
was so impressed by him. I just never seen that
window in him before, and it was just it was
really cool, really cool how he handled his business.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
Have you ever interviewed him or hung with him at all? No,
here the most normal dude.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
That's ever Like, well, when you watch this, that's what
it looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Yeah, and he's as I said, as we said yesterday,
he's perfect for Western New York, perfect for.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
That fan base.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I like to play the game, and I'm not trying
to redraft twenty eighteen, but let's do it. This isn't
all about the Browns. Josh Allen went seven. Buffalo traded
up to get him at seven. Ye, the sliding doors
of NFL history if you if you put Josh Allen
in any of the previous six picks. So obviously the
Browns took Baker at two. Is Sam Darnold right, Like

(01:07:31):
what we're not sorry, Saquon was two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
No, Sam wasn't too was two.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
So if the Giants take Josh Allen, different trajectory for
that franchise, right, if the Jets take Josh Allen, different trajectory. Obviously,
the Browns took Denzel Ain four Wall happy with that pick,
but they had another swing at it at five Quentin Nelson,
who could be in the Hall of Fame one day.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
But if Quentin Nelson.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Had not been the pick and Josh Allen had been
the pick in Indianapolis, that franchise obviously looks a heck
of a lot different.

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
I'm sorry, Five was den Did you do Denver? Five
was Denver? I'm sorry?

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Five was Bradley Chubb, who's a good player. Couldn't say healthy.
They actually flipped them for a one from Miami, but
that they would have found their quarterback at six Indianapolis,
they would have found their quarterback. He fell to seven.
Buffalo got the guy and he's a keeper. There's also
a part of this as well. You know, Josh now
is a three in front of his age. He's about
to you know, he's on his second massive extension. Uh,

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there's overall pressure for this team and this franchise to win.
Right now, there is still plenty of window with Josh Allen,
But when it comes to James Cook and a lot
of these other guys, you know the bill is gonna
come due for some of these younger players well soon.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
Rather they kind of gotta go now and win.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
So Mad Dog Russo hated last night's Hard Knocks.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
It was a good episode, hey, full disclosure, and I
have not seen it with leave Shriver's narration, I saw
a rough cut without the screw put into it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
So I don't I don't know all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I don't know how. I don't know what what was
his beef?

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Did you listen what his beef was? I mean, I
love the doggie, but I just wonder what his beef is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
I mean, the outrage Factory is always going to be outraged.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I just don't know how you could walk away from
it and just not be wildly overwhelmingly impressed with Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Were people upset that Dan Dawkins put his daughter in
the front seat when they were drifting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I was curious about that when he did that, because
I was like, God, my wife would be I would
be on, I would be on the couch for a
month if I did that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Some of those were amazing shots as well. They found
out the night before, like late the night before, that
Dion was going to go do that and they could
go shoot it. They put a GoPro on the hood
of the car, they got a drone up in the air,
and they got some ridiculous shots.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
Almost no prep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
All right, So this is what he was upset about.
He said, you can't do an hour on the Buffalo
Bills in Rochester about Buffalo, the Buffalo mafia and everything else.
You have Williams a quarterback there, the coach there, he
got the GM there and not get into last year's
fourth and one against the Chiefs. Okay, the nation has
not seen the Buffalo Bills since that play January twenty fifth,
Arrowhead when they lost the Chiefs, not the first, the second,

(01:10:13):
the third for the fourth time the playoffs. This is
the AFC Championship game. Dalton k and Kaid also had
a huge drop in this game. Fourth down. Remember that
didn't see that. Here's the play he dropped the pass.
We didn't get any indication there, So you got HBO.
This is the first show of the episode. I don't
want to see it late August. I want to see
it now. This is the first time I get to
look at the Bills this year. I get to see
somebody McDermot, Josh Allen, what happened on the fourth and one? Sneak?
Do you not sleep for two weeks? Dalton kaid you

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dropped that pass. That's lousy TV. I'm a sports fan.
You want me to watch the Bills on August fifth?
You gotta at least close what happened last year. A
horrific job. And I'm not the only person who thinks
this asks a tough question on fourth and one, and
then he said it so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
He thinks it should be like a press conference. He
thought he should have answered for their transgressions, or they
should have told this now that they.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Should have told the story about the fourth and one
and communicated how that pain and what happened on all
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Oh, it's a choice.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Preparations for this year.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
It's a five week show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I would also say too, though, that like, it's a
show that is on HBO, and it's a show that
all of us are going to watch. But what they're
hoping for is that my wife watches too, and so
she and they don't need to be in the minutia
of all of that would be from a production angle,
how I would view that is that trying to make
the most openly appealing show to wide masses as they can.

(01:11:28):
And I thought they did that with what I saw
last night.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
And it's about the access. It's also about this training camp.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
And yes, to his point, you got to tell the
story of the fact that this team has won five
consecutive AFC East titles. In four of those five years
they couldn't get by Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs. I
guarantee the show that though I'm sure that will be
a storyline and a thread throughout, but I also want
to know about Tredavius White, who is so bleep.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
And happy to be back in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I didn't address that, though, Andrew. They did talk about
the play at the I mean they show and they
talked Allan talking about it, and they Shreiver did a
narration of it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
I saw the very rough cut, so I did not
talk about it product.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I mean, it's not like the total narrative to start
it like, hey, they failed, this is them after a
summer dealing with it or winter An off season dealing
with it, but they definitely reference it. It's not like
they ignored it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
I thought the opening scene, assuming it stayed in of
everyone packing and like the conversation between Dalton Kincaid and
his wife Alex, like she goes, oh my god, you're
gonna go for two weeks in a carry on bag,
like yes, yeah, Or bringing your own toilet paper. We've
all been there in a dorm before, you bring your
own toilet paper. Or kJ Hamler with a pregnancy pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, that was nice, Like how about it? It was good?

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, Allen's a star.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Thought some of.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Those guys come up come across though, like can come
across in a certain way, and he didn't come across
as anything other than overwhelmingly positive.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
He seems a great every regard and you know, I
think it is one of those things where with Josh Allen,
because you were saying, no, if anybody else drafted him,
it changes the course of their franchise. And perhaps that
is true. He really benefited from something that unfortunately not
a lot of young quarterbacks get stability, stability in the
offensive system because Josh Allen was not great right out

(01:13:22):
of the gate, No.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
They've gone through a bunch of OC's, but they've had
the same head coach, but he had They have Dave
foundation ye sday ball for a while though.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
I'm saying at the beginning of his career, when he
went from being let's not forget okay, his rookie year,
he's a fifty two percent passer, then he's a fifty
eight percent accurate, and then he goes up to sixty
nine percent, and really from twenty it takes off. But
there are a lot of guys that would have had
after that first year he goes five and six, ten touchdowns,
twelve picks, like that was his rookie year. That wasn't

(01:13:52):
a great season that a lot of people don't know
what people turned out he was. I think he benefited
and you give him all the credit in the world
that he were and turned what were clear deficiencies into
strengths and now he's, you know, on the Mount Rushmore
of quarterbacks in the National Football League today.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
There's no way of knowing, like if he's someone who
could have so talented that he could have overcome anything,
you don't just you know, we just don't know that.
I mean, it's circumstances. Yeah, I mean he's in a
great spot. Circumstances absolutely matter. His physicality though, was something
that that plays kind of no matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
If he was with us though, and he has a
different oc each of his fourst four years in the
league like Baker did. That's a hard it's tough. That's hard.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
That is very, very hard. There was when he was
coming out. If you guys remember now you do the.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
Friend of Dorsey, the accuracy issue was such a concern
league wide.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
He had the hose.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
But I remember at the Senior Bowl there was a
ball where in Thursday's practice, he's rolling out to the
right and before he went out a bout, he fired
to see twenty yards down the sideline, right on the
boundary into a sea of hand and he hit the
hands of this wide receiver falling out of bounces who
didn't hang on. But it was one of those like,
oh my god, did you just see that throw? And

(01:15:13):
I remember talking to a scout after practice out of
the field for a team that show remained nameless, who said,
you can't do that in the NFL. Though, you can't
do that, that's that's a dangerous pass, Like he can't
get away with that. That's not going to work in
the NFL. Like, guess what his arm is that strong?

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
He can't do Yeah, he can't. He also, I think
and just kind of kind of put the boon on this,
but if you think about now, how it is if
let's say that you were that rookie quarterback and we've
seen quarterbacks not even be close to this bad that
you might not get those opportunities, you know what I

(01:15:48):
mean after that first season that he struggled that way.
Now he comes back sextieson. It's definitely a little bit better,
but it he just benefited from patience, the belief in
his talent, the cyst, the fact that they kept him
with Day Bowl because they've doesn't leave till what twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
In his third year in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
This is his third season, so then he was with
Dable for five seasons. Has a good shown twenty twenty
one for four seasons as four or four years and
then yeah, right, it's Dable's four seasons, right, because then
it was Dorsey and their number one offense Dorsey. Then
he's gone in the middle of twenty three and they
have the new coordinator last year, but he really benefited

(01:16:27):
from that and that out. That's one of the very
interesting things in all of this that it's also it's
it's the talent, it's about the situation that you're in.
It's about the constability around you and the ability that
the patience. Right that he had to work on his deficiency.
He talked about the accuracy thing. It's because nobody who
had ever had a profile like him ever at became

(01:16:47):
as accurate as he has become in the NFL. That
has never happened before. And I give him all the
credit in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
Yeah, because Yeah, that's what it's what offensive coordinators and
evaluators and quarterback coaches have. You get a different answer
when you ask different people, because I've asked this question
over the years to play people, can you teach accuracy?

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
Can you fix mechanics and teach accuracy?

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
And what I always get is, maybe, like you can
do it in practice, right, I could sit there with
you in Orange County the off season and work on
your mechanics and remind you to do this and this
and this and this and this. But when you get
out to a live game situation, do your revert to
the way you have always played? And then you cannot
recreate all those off season mechanical fixes.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
That you thought you had down well with him, they
figured it out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Yep well, and in the meantime you can rely on
his athleticism and size and running ability to get.

Speaker 9 (01:17:39):
You through it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
So he had that part too. So like the worst
case scenario, he was going to be a you know,
eighty percent of Cam Newton or seventy percent of Cam
Newton minus. You know, even if even from that stampoint,
if he stayed a sixty percent passer, he still had
that part of it a shorter career where he had
this ability to be a thread on the ground too.
So it is no, it's impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
It's why though to your point, like there is desperation
in Baltimore's, there is desperation in Buffalo, there's desperation. I
would imagine Cincinnati with Joe Burrow, and the likelihood is
that and obviously the Chiefs want to keep it rolling.
There are other teams that are candidates, but it probably
feels like right now, if you said today, if you

(01:18:19):
could have those four versus the field in the AFC,
that the representative of the AFC and suer world come
from those four teams, you'd feel pretty good. Sure it's
going to come from those teams. It's possible none of
them get there, but certainly both Lamar and Josh Allen
can't be there, and if Mahomes goes again, they're another year.
I mean, it's it's why.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I just can't imagine. I think Baltimore is the most
I think Baltimore is, Yes, I think it's the most pressure.
I think it's I think the Bills to me, are
kind of this is like the second part of Allen's career.
They had their first run and now they got all
the way to an AMC champion. Like the Chiefs won
a super Bowl in their transition phase. I mean, that's

(01:19:02):
how good they were. But I think the Bills are
kind of in their transition phase away from like the
Stefan Diggs Bills onto this new version of the Bills now.
So to me, their windows seems a little bit more.
I think Baltimore feels to me like good Lord, if
not now when I mean they just how long can
Travis Henry keep doing this? Like it just feels like

(01:19:23):
they have got to me, they feel like they have
the most pressure in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, there's a lot of pressure on I think both
of those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah, I agree, they're the two most but even Baltimore. Yeah,
there's a lot there, all right. A couple other things
business of the league. ESPN and NFL have reached a
new licensing agreement which will extend the ESPN's NFL draft
rights beginning with the twenty twenty six draft. Disney Plus
and Hula will remain in the streaming of the draft night.
The big headliner here is ESPN owns the NFL network

(01:19:51):
and in exchange, the NFL gets ten percent of ESPN
going forward, So red zone will move over to ESPN
as well. I did see this morning that it could
open the door for some other red zone. They bought
the red Zone brand, so they will have an ability
to do a college football red zone if they wanted
to an NBA type red zone if they wanted to.
I think the college football one would be a home

(01:20:12):
run if they did that. But so all of those
options are there, and so now ESPN will operate that.
This has been rumored for a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
Obviously, Oh this is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
The time where I talk sure either one.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
I'm obviously yeah, bo.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
I'm a little bit maybe too close to the situation
to talk too freely, but having worked there for thirteen years,
I could just speak for the people behind the scenes,
both in front of the camera and truly behind the scenes.
I think it's a weight lifted off the shoulders of
every one of the building in Englewood. They just want
to have some kind of clarity because this has been
I mean, I was at the network for thirteen years,

(01:20:48):
and I only have positive memories. I'm only saying positive
things now, certainly because you know that's legit. That's how
I feel. I'm not hiding anything here ever. I mean,
go back to when CBS first took over Thursday night football,
I mean, what was you like those twenty thirteen There
were rumors then, oh no, no, CBS is going to
buy the network. So this has kind of been hanging over,

(01:21:10):
whether it was Culver City or Inglewood, the two places
where they have the NFL network has had its studios
in LA for all these years, for so so long,
and I think most people's reaction was just kind of like, huh, okay,
we now have a little clarity, but not really, because
the feeling internally is not a lot is going to
change this year because it may take.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
A year for regulatory approval.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
And throughout both press releases, the one last tight and
then the one again this morning, the one this morning
being specifically about the draft, there are a lot of
non binding language and this is gonna happen, but could
change and things like that. So the thought at NFL
Network generally speaking is where as is this year, and

(01:21:55):
then we'll see what happens in twenty twenty six. That's
a little inside baseball. As for fans, more people can
watch the network right and it will be integrated into
the new Espandra direct consumer app. The draft gets extended
many years, I would assume it means NFL Network will
no longer do the Draft as a standalone NFL Network production.

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
Next year. I'm gonna guess that's what that means, but
I don't know that for certain.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
The league is always going to tell you if we
can reach more fans and deliver the product to more
people in an easier way with technology, and reach more
fans internationally, which is what Robert Craft made the point
of saying today, than it is a win for the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
The other headliner here ze is ESPN reaching agreement to
become the exclusive rights home of the WWE and their
premium live events in the United States. I mean, this
is something Vince McMahon obviously no longer with the Guns.
This is something this is something that he's wanted forever.
Is a mainstream sports approach to WWE. And you're not
going to get more mainstream than this. And it starts

(01:22:59):
next year.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
It'll be interesting to see kind of, you know, how
that plays out. But I think it's it certainly brings
into the realm of possibility that for example, Rustle Manial
be on ESPN. That's right, you know, and that's that
is a wild, wild situation to see that that has,

(01:23:20):
you know, would has finally come to fruition and TKO
obviously running as a business. They're making so much money,
so much more than they were getting from Peacock for
the same content in terms of the plees people, you know,
they're really Also it's clear that ESPN is trying to
prop up as much as possible this streaming, you know,
their direct consumers stream that's the whole We're going to

(01:23:43):
get this stuff here that's going to make you want
to come make sure you get it. And for some
people it's kind of man I had NFL Network through
my cable provider or my you know, YouTube TV. In
this case, I had the WW was part of Peacock,
you know. And in some ways it's kind of like,
oh man, I got to get another thing. Now I

(01:24:03):
have ESPN. I don't know if this the current ESPN
that I have will carry on because I have it
as part of the bundle with you know, Disney and
Hulu and.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Just what I have as well. Yeah, I have no
idea also, or do I have to get a whole
new ESPN. Hulu's going away. It's been reported that Hulu
the Hulu content will now just integrate into like the
Disney app supposedly, which.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Is fine, great, that's fine. Yeah, But I'm just curious,
as somebody who's already paying for ESPN? Do I am
I paying now more for a new ESPN? Is my
that ESPN? The ESPN that has all this great stuff?
And like sweet that I've been a part of this
for so long. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
You know who's gonna lose?

Speaker 7 (01:24:43):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
You the collective us? Yeah, we we're just gonna get
charged more download It feels like, yeah, we're gonna get
charged more to download more apps. It's going to become
more inconvenient than ever. And and that's what it is.
I mean, if you want to watch a college football Saturday,
you're gonna ba have to bounce in and out of
three or four apps in order to get that done.
If you don't have if you don't have a cable.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
Situation, I mean, eventually they're going to have to do something.
I mean, the next great frontier is being able to
seamlessly switch between all of those apps or put them
in one screen, this app and that app screen exactly
until we reach it just.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Reverse engineered cable table. That's cable it all. Can we
just have cable back Ragan bounce around picture and picture
Well that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
A YouTube TV is basically cable just an app, but
you have that within YouTube TV and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah, you t TV is great, but now that's what
you want.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Yeah, I want to exactly this all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Right, when we come back, what the guys expect we
have what a walk through tomorrow. We'll go over through
tomorrow's plans and get your set for all of those things.
Some final thoughts from the joint practice. Today, you're listening
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Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Cleveland Brown's Daily presented by bally Bet Sports Book, official
sports betting partner of Your Cleveland Browns. A couple other
things around the league before we wrap up. The NFL
suspending Vikings wide receiver Jordan Addison for the first three
games of the upcoming season for vitolating the league's substance
abuse policy. Six time Pro Bowl wide receiver Keenan Allen
returning to the Chargers one year eight point five two.

(01:26:42):
They had a funny tweet of him in a Chargers
jersey that I enjoyed a great deal. That was very good,
I thought, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
The cult whatever it was from their social media tee.
Their social media team was causing people consternation last night.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Oh really, I'm unaware.

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
Tweet because he had been wearing thirteen. Yes, they're like
dropping hints on Twitter.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Ok.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Dj Uungelea who started at Clemson and then to Oregon
State and finished at Florida State. Yes, yeah, my brother
is a stud at Oregon on the defensive line.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
A tail all right, so.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
What what is the next for?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Next twenty four hours can take hold for YouTube?

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
So we got to walk through tomorrow all kinds of
fun meetings and tapings and production stuff and uh, we
got a game guys on Friday. Kind of fired up
for it, as I'm excited to sit at home tomorrow
night and watch their three other games tomorrow around the
National Football League, a full preseason Thursday night. I may

(01:27:49):
may may make my own little preseason red zone with
multiple tablets go into my hotel room.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Well, I think we could go after this the fancy show.
I'm sure Gimmick can find a place that will have
games on all over the place.

Speaker 6 (01:28:01):
A few people find places with beer and TVs better
than getting.

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
I'm gonna need a cocktail by eight o'clock tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Yeah, so it's kind of like tomorrow is it's it's
we had got some taste of the action today and
then obviously not nothing tomorrow, but and then Friday night.
I think it'll be one of the more anticipated preseason
games in Brown's history. And I don't even think that's hyperbole.
I think it really is the truth, and it'll be
curious to see what it ultimately looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
It's like Canton ninety nine with Tim Couch to Kevin
Johnson in the right corner of the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Maybe not in this scenario, You're not going You're Kevin
Johnson's not gonna be on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
No, I guess what I do. You guys feel like
what was necessary to get accomplished today got accomplished. I
think you get two days, you get two joint practices.
It's usually outworks, right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Yep, yeah, yeah. This is the first time we've ever
only had one day of joint and.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
The second one always turns into a fight. So I
think we're all happy with just one. I think Online
D line both of them, both of those units look good.
I think they got the work and they needed. You know,
I think it's always hard to get and I talked
to Jack Conklin about this too. It's hard to get
a real read, I think on the run game when
you're just playing against your own teammates. I thought that

(01:29:20):
was good work today.

Speaker 9 (01:29:23):
Yeah. You can hear that interview tonight on the debut
of the Cleveland Browns preview ship.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Sweet as we were sitting on a golf cart in
a downpourah, and I said, all right, basically, Jacket out
of here, get Jack Corolin.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
The Hoff.

Speaker 9 (01:29:39):
Cavalcade of stars.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Have we ever had in our long run together? We
ever had enough from the clown?

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
Go at z?

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
What's he doing? I'm here for all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
I mean, I don't think we've ever seen this.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
I've seen getting his rain gear.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Yeah, here's the tweet. I mean enough from the Clown's
our guy. Usually as Anti, Gibbet takes shots at Siciliano
all the time, time the crud, but in this instance
he comes at Z. It's amazing that Nathan Sigura could
constantly give the Great Gibbe grief over everything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Which I feel like that first sentence and then.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
Then he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Yet Nate, Nate pulls such a buffoo move, doesn't pack
rain gear when everyone knows it's pouring in North Carolina.
Good grief, he's turned.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
I don't give Gibbet grief overything that's that, that's inferred.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
There had someone taken over.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Second of all that the laws back in town, Oh
my goodness, on the street. But this is unbelievable. The
truth is, I knew it wasn't gonna rain during the practice.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Oh there you go, oh clairvoyant Nate.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
And it did not.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Gavin Williams was throwing a no hit her kids.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
I don't know who that is, all right either, that's
a true I don't know is he on the guard
Williams Gavin Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I don't have any idea who the next level probably
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