Risk vs. Reward with Dave Zastudil - Cleveland Browns Daily - 10.14.25

On this Tuesday edition of the program, former Browns P Dave Zastudil joins the show (35:40) to talk Risk/Reward plays from the first six weeks of the season. Z also sits down for an exclusive interview with University Hospital’s Dr. Ted Teknos (48:40) ahead of our Crucial Catch game against the Dolphins this week. You’ll also go Around the League (1:06:46) and get One Thought (1:17:30) on every game from week 6.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus
in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily on eight
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Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zigura.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
All right, let's go live on a Tuesday edition of
Cleveland Browns Daily.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I am merely bow at the cc MC.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Doctor Z is downtown at uh, baby, how you live
in Powell.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
I'm great.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
I don't think you can call me doctor Z today
would wear around real doctors. You're in the universe medical doctors. Yes, true, doctor.
Oh well, thank you. I appreciate that. Meanwhile, I have
a couple of updates where you were like in a
totally different spot that.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
We've ever been with.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Actually, the middle, let me get me, let me get
the middle of the atrium. I'm looking at the scene
of the crime from last year. But if they've completely
blown that out, looks like they've blown out a bunch
of walls over here.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Give me look how far back this goes?

Speaker 6 (01:22):
This you can totally see all the way through.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Yeah, this is a it's a whole new experience here.
It's beautiful in the atrium. A lot of people sitting
around looking at their phones. Looks like there's a big
crack community around you. It's what it seems that there is.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
We have, we have a table, we have we have
lael pins. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
We've got post game posters.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Look at this, You've got you got ways.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
There's many helmets. There's game posters.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Fortunately they don't have the one that I was on,
because that.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Was you got any any game used swag loafers down there.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
You can be given to people, beautiful beanies. There's absolutely
the being hand out with pom poms on top of them.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, that's a delight people are now. Why don't you
guys tell me? Good to see you too, Gibbe by
the way.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
Pleasure as always. Bo. We miss you, I know you.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh, I miss you guys more. I miss you guys more.
This This is one of my all time favorite days.
We had a For full disclosure, we uh you did
send an email with the first ten minutes of last
year's show, which is an all time banger.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Should just played it again. Honestly, I don't think I just.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Run it right back.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
I think that's not a good idea.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
So good.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
That's a great idea. So good.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
By the way, one year, the one year it was
us and your little buddy were down there and we
just I was.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Sick and I nothing.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
That's right. The great Danny Cunningham and Matt Fontana to
the rescue that day.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well they did well, comrade, that everything your little protege
was was down there.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
And no, no, no, my protege is sitting on the
other side of the car.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
He was not He was not, young g man.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
Yeah, I'm aware.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I mean we did like a fifteen minutes out. We
were we were, we man, the good old days. What
a time to be on I'd love to be on it.
One forty five to three games.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
You're counting, it's three oh three. When he makes the
comment that he wishes it were one to three.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
By the way, I'm not the only one. You should
see my Twitter dms blowing up.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
I bet all ten of them.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
There's more than ten my Twitter tea.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Yeah, I bet they are.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
They are real.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
That's real. He's very If a couple of people say
it, it almost be true.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Well, David Gray, you guys have to get back on it.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
One.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
This three to five is annoying, One to three is perfect.
How do we make this happen? This is one of
many Okay that you saw that I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Hey, my, my buddy Jenko, he voices the same complaints.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
See, there's a movement called a brown Swell trying to
help you out there.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So the big question down there, right, the big quite
we are.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
But we have a big question which is going to
be will where will my car be at five o'clock?

Speaker 6 (04:05):
I should probably go run and give your keys to
the valet.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
They probably shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Did you, Oh did you just move it without giving
the keys?

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
So it turns out that there's a quote unquote what
we like to call them the biz a shift change.
Oh no, that takes place at two forty five. I
got here at two forty four.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
G Man, is the stream working?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Nobody was there?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
No stream?

Speaker 6 (04:24):
No stream?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Right now we're having YouTube troubles. We're efforting bo.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
So when they have the ship, I'm not even there.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
You would think.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
With the shift change, that means like one person leaves
and leaves the post change, and then another person comes
over to take over that post. No, there's a fifty
minute gap without any coverage whatsoever.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Transition.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
No, you got to be fully covered at all times.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
You can't imagine what if what if you were here
for some type of month awful situation. You can lay
to your car and then all you want to do
is get out of here at two forty five and
then nobody's there and you have to sit there till three?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
What's that about?

Speaker 6 (05:02):
Or you're coming in? It's an emergency situation?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah, well you do what I just did? You just
leave your car there?

Speaker 6 (05:08):
I don't know if that's I guess that's what choice
did he have?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
What choice that I am give me?

Speaker 6 (05:12):
I know I told him to be here before two
forty five? He was forty four? Yeah, made it. It
was before two forty it was.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's like the old one coach is a coach who
say on time is ten minutes early. Okay, fine, may
just tell me if you want if if you want
me to hear it three, but on time is ten
minutes early, just say two fifty, Say two fifty. That's
core worth unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, don't be doing that down there.
So what so what do we got going on for

(05:43):
the folks that are down there listening. What what what
do you got for us there?

Speaker 6 (05:46):
Buddy?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
What do you get?

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You got some drinkets?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And and this is obviously in all seriousness, This is
a massive month for the NFL in terms of awareness,
and they've changed it through the years, and for the
last several years it's been Crucial Catch. Yeah, and I'm
sure you'll have doctor Technos on a little bit later
and we'll we'll get an update on.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
All of those things. This is a big, big month
for the NFL.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
This is our third crucial Catch game technically because of
the road games. The Lions game. We caught their crucial catch.
Oh ours is this week, and we caught Pittsburgh' this
past week last week. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
The trait they were handing out.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
To this is our third one.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
They are handing out terrible towels that look like Joseph
uh and his technicolor dream coat.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Great pole, Great, how are you we are?

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Well?

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, that's all right, that's all right. How you doing?
It's going on?

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Easy?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Yeah, tis up a lot.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
There we go town hall Paninish, Yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah,
all right, thank you appreciate it. Brother, Having a good one.
So the best part is we also have a photo wall,
you know where they have like a backdrop, so people
are taking pictures and one of us and that's fun
to watch people get all set up there.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
There are selfie items.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
That was awesome because the opening that you sent from
last year's We start the show with me being like
to some guy, yeah, yeah, we're on the air. Cool,
I can't hear you. We're on the air. But in
this case he plowed right through. He's like, you're on
the air, and he backed up and then he's like, actually,
I got.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Doc, let's chop it up while I'm here.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
The best on the air interruption and story we ever had,
was it Northfield?

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
That was That was a remote, the likes of which
you'll never see again.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Don't say that, because my friend, we got breaking We
got two coaches shows from there.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Hold on nighttime.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Hold on, there's two from the MGM.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
What again again?

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't think I will see the likes of.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Corporate corporate bore.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Those are in your backyard?

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah those are geez? Those are you gotta read the
fine prints in the contract?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Way, I'm gonna look at that agreement.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, attorney to.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Look over the really comb through that.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, do you think you should know honestly and say
like your car?

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Yeah? Yeah, Nan is very concerned. I'm going I'm going
give me your car key.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Who's gonna need the keyboards val a.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Because because I had to give him a key when
they put your car. I don't know right there? That's right.
I like my car. I don't think that's happened.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Who's the problem? Let me mediate who thinks that you
need to move your car?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Nobody who was worried to know? But Nana is concerned.
They're going to toe it.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
In your car.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Don't tell this car was.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Just if he gets towed, I'm hopping in my car
and beating the horn and waiting goodbye.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Wouldn't be the first time.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
No, no, you said I was in the car and left
us and dry. I was here when you said to
be here. You're right, So I feel like the least
he could do is give.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Me a ride back to your house.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
I don't know what if they take my car, facility,
he's going to take you to where the he's got
to take you to get the car.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Take me where the car is at you and somebody
else has died.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Here. Here's the problem that's gonna be work. That is
that could be right around the corner from me. There
is a place.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Where right, let's go make sure they don't tell it.
Give me Bo and I'll all right, we'll take it.
We'll take it from here.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Give me what about Bob? And what about Bob?

Speaker 5 (09:32):
Where Bob gets Sigmund to finally dive and Richard Dreyfus
comes over and shoves him into the water and says.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
I'll take it from here, Bob, I'll take it from here.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Did you give him your key?

Speaker 6 (09:45):
No? Right here. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
We're just he's just going to make sure that they
don't tell be like, listen, just don't till the car
so it's pulled as far to the side as could possibly.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Be a This is my prediction on how this transpires. Oh,
no problem, just get us his key and we'll valey it.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, no, no, no, I don't think you're understanding. We're
gonna go ahead and leave. That's that right.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think there's a sixty three percent chance that that's
how this ends up. I think there's then a thirty
seven percent chance where you get what you want and
it just stays there and you keep your keys and
then you can have a you're keeping it. And No,
there's no threat of valet in your in your future.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
No, I think it's No.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
I'm saying I think it's ninety five to five that
they're gonna he's gonna come back and get the key.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
That's why I think's gonna end up happening.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, I just think your gravitational pull, I'm
going to sixty three sixty seven percent.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
By the way, speaking a gravitational poll, how about you
yesterday with one of the all tidy ate reverse jinx
is saying how bad and downtrodden you were with your picks?
I was stable two and oh Monday night a Monday
night light for Bob Bishop.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Let me ask you a question. Yeah, actually this is
more of a statement. Okay, there are great many things
that that we get wrong from time to time, and
we acknowledge when we get those things wrong. I have
often been curious if when an NFL team wears an
old uniform, if it's just nostalgia for me that no,

(11:13):
And I just think it's cool because it's what I
remember as a kid.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
No, Okay, that was wrong. That was wrong. That's not
what that is.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
We don't even have point of reference on those uniforms
last night. That's like, no, it is. That's actually in
like the sixties or seven, way.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Before us, before Gerald Riggs, even.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Way before Johnson, Steve Bartkowski.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
If you have access to that and you don't wear
that all the time and then have the Dion Jeff
George's as the alternate, I can't help you. They don't
need anything else nothing that that helmet last night. Did
you notice all the integate details. So it has a
little bit of gold in it to pay homage for

(11:58):
Georgia Tech's golds from Yep.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean, it just had everything in it.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It was and it's a better looking falcon, that long
winged falcon, much better looking falcon.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean, I we've often called them the gutless falcons.
But I'm looking at Coach Morrison that hoodie. I'm going God,
that thing looked great.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Oh yeah, and the logo midfield was the was the
good long winged falcon. It was great, which is also
the falcon of the Jeff Georges. So you don't even
need it's you go with that falcon. You can go
with the black helmet over the black jersey with the
silver pants. Whenever you want, or I think you can
do anything else, you go with the red helmet, the
red over the all white with the red numbers with
the black outline that they weren't in eighteen ninety four,

(12:36):
which was the throwback here for everybody in the NFL.
I have a Jeff George jersey in that beautiful yeah there.
That is a loaded closet. That's radiant. Any of their
new stuff is trash.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Get rid of it, man. Yeah, all you need.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's all you need.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Brother, is is that sucker that they wore last night?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
That is all you need.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I I did have a I had a hunch that
I think they're pretty good. I think they're pretty good.
I think Atlanta's pretty good. I think one of the
more dumbfounding defeats of the year is them losing at Carolina.
Not that he lost to Carolina, but they got beat
thirty to nothing is crazy. They're just too good for that.
So I thought that I thought Buffalo would win, but

(13:19):
not cover is kind of the way I picked. I
think I picked at twenty seven to twenty four.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
But I had a feeling that Atlanta would play well
gosh and coming back. He's got a big smile on
his face. I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Oh that means you're definitely getting he's no, he didn't,
he didn't. He didn't put the handout. My dad would
smile and put the handout for the key. Give me
the update, all right, gibe, unless it's already towed.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
What were you driving? Oh no, that's fine?

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Oh so I this.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
No so the d There was a woman there and
she said, look, I don't park the cars. I don't
move the cars. Someone else is doing that currently. I said, well,
can you let him know that the tesla out there
belongs to the radio host that's on the air atrium?
She said, got it? Get me wait ask for anything else?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So I said, okay, big, Well, so I think we're moving.
You're moving closer to my thirty seven percent.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I like, key, by the way, my five percent? Or
am I is up to I'm gonna call it up
to twenty five percent?

Speaker 6 (14:18):
Wait? What's what's the percentage? What are we doing that
you are going to come back?

Speaker 5 (14:21):
We thought the high percentage was that you'd come back
and be like you got to give me the key
because they're gonna go park it.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
There's still a chance that that's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Way, that's why I'm only up to twenty five percent less.
I'm going to fifty Where you parked? Yeah, way, nobody's way.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
It was an incredible job of me by me using
modern cameras and technology to really you.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Might be on the sidewalk away. That's neither here nor there.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I still rumor we have a little bit of we
have some infighting with the Gibby burners. Oh man, right now,
ye damn it, Gibby turning yourself into Prince's valet.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
We're done. We're Oh yeah, better time.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
For look.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
His own his own burners. That's that's a good way
to throw us off the scent deprecation.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
I'm going then. This is a team effort today. We
need everybody on deck.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
We need everybody.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Everybody's got to be rowing the same direction today.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
As for the actual games, last night.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
Some fun with my friends who are Bills fans. Boy,
did I have fun? You lost to the Gutlass Falcons.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think they're pretty good.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
You know what I like about them?

Speaker 6 (15:42):
They had one really good flash in the pan.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
You know what I like about him.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, they've got a first round quarterback that they probably
didn't need a draft, but they did. They got a
first round quarterback, they got a first round wide receiver one.
They got a first round alien tight end. I would
have taken a running first. They got a first round
round bick. So they have made significant investments in what
what's that word, I'm looking for weapons?

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Something e A P. Weapons.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yes, they've made a significant investment in weapons.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
And guess what they can do?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Score and guess what can happen If you can score,
you could win. Oh baby, you can win A time
to be alive one a.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Time to be alive.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
So maybe the Falcons had it right all along, even
though I think some of the things they did were
a bit silly.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
You shouldn't have signed cousins if you're gonna draft correct quarterback.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
No, No, and it would then it would be just
a completely fine pick, exactly.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, but I don't think they're going anywhere. And I'll
tell you because this dovetails into something else. I was
curious your thoughts on is there a great team in
the NFL.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
No, I think it's as wide open as it's ever been.
I really do.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
I think it is as wide open as it's ever been.
There is no great team in the NFL right now.
I mean the two best teams in terms of record
and performance and all of that and consistency of performance
are the Indianapolis Colts and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now,
both the Colts and Buccaneers. Buccaneers could have lost four

(17:15):
of their games really easily did not.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Buccaneers point differential is plus fourteen and they're five and one, yes.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
So a slim margin of victory.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Those right now, I'd say are probably the two best
teams in the league.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I think that Green Bay is very good.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Kansas City is starting to come on and be very
good again, and they just get Rashid Rice back now,
and all of a sudden it's.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like, ah, maybe we shouldn't written them off so fast.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
Baltimore's decimated by injury, Buffalo's got a pretty flawed I
think roster. I think it's, you know, we joke about
it all the time, but how's How's Josh Allen? And
he is the MVP and he elevates everything around it,
but at some point, you know, how does he not
have a real receiver.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Or two I wonder if they're the they're the team
that goes and makes a deal. I mean, Schefter put
out that story over the weekend that this could be
the busiest trade deadline we've ever seen. To your point
about there are no great teams, and I agree with you.
I don't think that there are. It's never been more
wide open, parody has never been more real. I think
upwards of a dozen teams could win the super Bowl,

(18:26):
is what it seems like to me here a little
more than a month in and so maybe you get
a very active trade deadline where if you're Buffalo, if
somebody with a disgruntled wide receiver comes on the board,
snatch them up.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Who is that? So let's go.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I don't go through it and say who would be
potential wide receivers that you could go for? Garrett Wilson,
Chris a Lave And Wilson's banged up right now. But
Chris a Lave? Is that somebody that you could get
out of?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:55):
If New Orleans was yeah, I guess we're talking different orlands.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Like yeah, if you're New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Like, why why let a young stud go if you're
likely drafting a quarterback soon?

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Right? Exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, so you got to look for somebody a little disgruntled.
Do the Niners have anybody disgruntled? Signed disgruntled if you will.
Now they're about to get Ayuk back. They got Pearcell,
who's really good. Kendrick Bordes is playing great feedsback back
to back one hundred and fifty yard games for them.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
They got John Jennings Miami, Miami fire Sale, Jalen Waddle.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, jeez, do you do that though? Like gosh, I
just don't understand teams trading. Yeah, I don't know where
that would be.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Everybody's kind of in it too, which is a weird Thingeah,
that's true, you know, Yeah, I mean the only teams
I'm trying to think of. If you look at the
current standing, so the Jets are zero to six. I
don't think they get any better getting rid of Garrett Wilson,
who's arguably their best player. But you know, Garrett Wilson,

(20:01):
Jayleen Waddle, Miami and the Jets. You look at the
Ravens probably aren't. I think the Ravens still think they
can make a run.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh they do, Yeah, they definitely do. They're gonna take
the bye week and then they're gonna give it all
hell Calvin Ridley and Tennessee there's one, but like, do
you get rid of weapons for cam Ward? It's already
tough enough.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
No, Las Vegas doesn't really have anybody. I mean, Jacoby Myers.
I don't know if that's a big needle mover. No,
the Giants don't have anybody.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Nobody in the North.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Dallas is two three and one, but they're not gonna
playing Pickens is playing Pickens is playing great Chicago. I
don't see them trading Dj Moore, but I could see
a team maybe calling and saying, hey, he's not really
being utilized all that much. You drafted Luther Burden in
the second round, You go with a Dunesay and Burden.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
They just did his deal last year.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
No, Uh, you know, it's funny you mentioned Tampa Bay
when you were talking about the teams that are playing
the best, like they're without They're gonna they're without Evans
still obviously for a while. And now a Mecca is
gonna be out for a couple of weeks. Yeah, So
I mean it's gonna be tough sledding for baking those
boys for a while.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, that's why I.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Brought up Niners, just if they had a glut of them.
But there's not really. Seattle already got rid of their guys.
There's nobody for Arizona to.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Get rid of.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
No, I mean unless they're done with Marvin Harrison, but
that would be pretty crazy in his second season. So yeah,
there doesn't seem to be Drew Big Drew says, you
need him to call in today or we all set
Big Drew Yellowstone and you're always welcome to Colin?

Speaker 6 (21:45):
What's he up to? Is he in Spain? Still?

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I don't know. Is he running with the balls?

Speaker 6 (21:50):
He was in Spain last week? Pamplona, Davidson, what are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I have a call in, they'll let us know.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, I don't really don't see a team that's it
seems that obvious to trade a wide receiver. Honestly, No,
probably not. You know they try to do a last
year with us getting Amari Cooper. Yeah, and I don't
think that as I don't think it were in a
weapon trading market, No, I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
No, we are in need of more, Yeah, I would
like weapon acquisition.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, when you do this exercise though, you see how
difficult it is to find them. So look, and then
the other one is just a strange game. The Commanders
don't turn the ball over. They turn the ball over
twice at the start of the game that leads to
ten Bears points and then have just a brutal fumble

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when the game's kind of about ready to be clinched
that results in a walk off win for the Bears.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, there's just he just dropped the ball. I mean,
that's the only way to.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Say it, right, Yeah, Jade Daniels dropped the ball and.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Still trying it. Don't go down and get it in
there to Bill and.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
They'll just basically threw it off of his shoulder pad
and the rio is kind of a monsoon.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
It looked like it looked like Scotland.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's a that's a good job out of Ben Johnson
to get that thing because it looked like it was
going to start poorly. And Caleb is still he's kind
of a great example of why they should have brought
in coach with him. Yeah, right away, because you can
see like he'll make some throws and you go, gosh,

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that's it. That's why he went number one overall. But
then he also does some absolutely dumbfounding things he took.
He did a play yesterday where the whole time I'm like,
throw it away, throw it away, throw it away, throw
it away.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Then he like peeled back in.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
He got all the way to the sideline and peeled
back in and they took a big shot.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, and you're going.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
And then that ends up being fourth down. You're like
a loss of eight, and it's like, what what are
we doing here? Throw it a ray at any point
and he just won't. It's got to be equal parts
like this is why I took the job and at
times like dude, yeah, that.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
Ain't it real quick? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Streams up? Hello, g man, stream is up. It's been
a really frustrating day for us back here.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
You're fine, man, he complain. It's indecoming of you. It's
unbecoming of you. Man, be better. You're wadsworth yep, healthy,
that's sturdy stock. You're you're used to things. You gotta fight,
damn it. That's what Grizzlies are made to do. Yes, eight,
No Grizzlies. They are They're rolling.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Can't get any love on the game of the week
though neither can Hudson.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, they get no love. Gibby's picking it every week.
He's picking his teams, he's paying hold.

Speaker 6 (24:48):
On, hold on, you're looking two people falls every week.
There's two people on that committee number one that you're
looking at.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
But look at this guy's I'm dialed throwing darts.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
He's high school football, Nate football date too.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Bounce can do?

Speaker 6 (25:05):
What canny do?

Speaker 4 (25:06):
There?

Speaker 6 (25:07):
You go exactly?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Can you wait till he's like, tell uh, little Lucas
like a sopht worch or grin falls and you got.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
I want to know what kind of parent he's going
to be.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Oh, he's going to be great.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
He's going to be an amazing football parent, and he's
going to have what's going to be crazy about it
is he's gonna be on the Joe Idol sites and
he's gonna come in.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
He's like, on Joe Idol, it.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Looks like we're the four seed, but I don't understand
why are we the three? We beat them and we
are going to have to explain to him that it's
strength to schedule and who you played and are you
playing up? Are you playing back? All of those things.
It's it's going to be so great, gibbe when those
days happen.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
A Billie Idle guy the Cradle of Love. He really did.
He brought it, did Joe, I tell I love you.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
That's my guy.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
By the way, it's like five hundreds of a point.
If Guhana loses its upper Sandusky so and so is in.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
It's all you need.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
There's a guy.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
He's got like switch.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
No, no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
It's he does the the computer rankings because in Ohio
the high school football is computer rankings.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
It's the only state that I know that's done it.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Of all the places I've covered high school football, nobody
else does it this way with computer rankings, but Ohio does.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And he predicts what it's going to look like. It's incredible.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Yea.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
The best site going for a research.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
It's the best, is it it?

Speaker 6 (26:25):
You know?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I mean that's it. You go look there and then
you can do It's what's amazing. You can click through
to any team in their schedule. It's I use it.
When I used to do the high school sports site
and all the all the high school state champions stuff
was on own end. I used it every single week
all the time. Like I just lived on that site,
getting a better handle on on who was good and
who wasn't around the state. I want to know what
I who I went with this week? Tell me I

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think I picked some good ones. Let's see, so far
my my picks have been. I'm gonna go back to
to week one, give a pick to the first one.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Let's see. All right, first one, here we go.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
I'm pretty sure I know who I picked.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
He did Lake Catholic. This is week one. He did
Lake Catholic versus Avon. I did Lutheran West versus Aurora Powerhouses.
Then he did Medinah Wadsworth, which he stole from me.
Out Wadsword I pick. I was gonna do Wadsworth cause
that's the name of my broadcast partner in ai W.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
He's a good man.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
We're gonna rollda And so I picked Kirkland.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Perry isn't Kirtland Kirkland and Perry is that like us big?

Speaker 6 (27:31):
That's a big game.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Wrong Perry, big Lake County game. But dialed into that.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I think we went over this last time because he
goes in this remote peds from and I said, no,
wrong Perry the Lake.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Then you did n D c l versus Benedictine, and
I did Highland versus Aurora. You big Aurora guy. Oh,
I mean that's the local, got go local. Get the
wall there, Homa Walden. Then I picked this one where
I went absolutely loaded. Gibe went Cantlon McKinley Perry and
I went massly in Saint Ed's mean that's a great one.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, those are two outstanding ones.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, four years in a row. I feel pretty dialed.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Then Gibbe goes Lake Catholic versus Oleria Catholic, and I went,
I was a rough one. John Hay versus University School.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
You got me on that. Listen the US.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
I know the US team that is uh that Luminary
suns On went undefeated. The young freshman squad, young freshman
squad there, so they think about them in a few years.
I'm ahead of the curve. Then we got Gibbe. I think,
skip this week, shame on you.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
And I I didn't. I missed last week. I was
in the London fog. This week I was dialed in.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
You could have put Homestead Falls in It was Olmsteed Falls, Berea.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I did Cardinal Mooney versus Harding, which I thought yours
this week, that was my last week. Oh that was
a big one. Good job out of you, that's thank you.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
And then this what did you have this week? H
Gibbet as Rocky River versus Buckeye. Yeah, and I went,
I remember we're picking. We only have a huge We
have like a six week Cleveland game of the week there, Gibbie,
six games that we get to pick from. So I
went with the Kentston Bombers against Mayfield for us.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
There you go, Kenston proud tradition. Good.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I saw the poor kids from uh Barberton is one
of the picks, and they didn't feel the team against
Badya last week. So I'm hoping that they have their team, yeah,
because I know I believe I have that right. I
think it was last week or the week.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Before they couldn't feel. Was it last week, keV?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, they were just didn't have ye didn't have enough kids,
so uh hopefully they were able to.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
But there you go. Good job out of you guys.
Well researched as always.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Is is misters as there because if that's the case, no, okay,
he should be there momentarily.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't doubt that.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
And if so we may have you. We may flip
segments two and three.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Let me on the fly, let me give you a
legend real quick as we wait for mister z Asadill's arrival,
and he and I will discuss a great many things.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
I would like corporate.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Nate's thoughts on the big announcement that happened yesterday during
our show in the four o'clock hour, Well.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
I think it's fantastic that the Cleveland Browns, the HASLM
Sports Group, and the City of Cleveland to reach a
historic one million dollar agreement for the residents of the
City of Cleveland and the region. So yesterday it is
a one hundred million dollar commitment from HASLM Sports Group
to the City of Cleveland that will accelerate the Lakefront
transformation and prepare the current Lakefront Stadium site for redevelopment,

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and the city's commitment to supporting the continuing progress and
timely completion of the Brown's future home in Brook Park.
So they will move forward together, said Mayor bib I'm
proud to deliver this historic deal to the residents of
the City of Cleveland. My administration, with the HASLM support,
will finally unlock the full potential of our lakefront, benefiting
all residents and attracting new investment to the city. Because
of Mayor Bibb's leadership in this monumental public private partnership,

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we are accelerating the transformation of Cleveland's lakefront while delivering
a new world class stadium and mixed use development in
brook Park. It's a win for the city, the region,
and the fans, said HSG principal partners d and Jimmy Haslm.
We will always be the Cleveland Browns. This agreement reflects
a continue commitment by the HASLM Johnson family to strategically
invest in the City of Cleveland community programs, building on
the family's consistent charitable giving across the region since taking

(31:17):
leadership in two thoy and thirteen. So this is one
of those things we'll break down what exactly is all
in here. Thank you enough from the clown I appreciate
the compliments. HSG is gonna pay the City of Cleveland
twenty five million by December first, twenty twenty five. HSG
will raise the current Huntington bakefield in downtown Cleveland to
pad Ready State at the Browns expense, estimated to be
thirty million beginning on January one, twenty twenty nine. They

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will pay the City of Cleveland five million honor before
January first of each calendar year until January first, twenty
twenty thirty three, totally twenty five million over five years.
Upon termination of the lease, they will invest no less
than two million per year over the next ten years
on a mutually agreed community benefits project, totally no less
than twenty million. They will mutually support infrastructure plans related
to road and air travel through SCS back to both
the brook Park Stadium mix use project, the modernization of

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Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, the development of Cleveland Lake Front,
including the redevelopment of the brook Lakefront Airport property. The
city to support continuing progress and timely completion of transformational
Brook Park Stadium in mix use development, and both parties
will voluntarily dismiss all lawsuits with prejudice related to Browns
Huntington bank Field.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Move to brook Park, Ohio. This is big. This is
big for the city, this is big for the region.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
It is big for the Cleveland Browns, It's big for
brook Park and the stadium, all of it. And I
think that this also paves the way and should pave
the way for the county to get involved on a
massive project that is in its county, because the big
hang up before was it was, well, it's not in
the city, we're only supporting in the city. Well, now
if the city's on board with this move and they

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have agreed to it, they have dropped all lawsuits. They
are now fully in support of this move to Brook Park.
They're going to get money from HSG to redevelop one
hundred million to redevelop the lakefront. This feels to me
that the county needs to be involved and be a participant,
and so that makes this deal have even more a
broader economic impact for this region. And I think that
is a fantastic thing. So as far as I'm concerned,

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this is a huge win. I think that it was
a win for the city, and it is a win
for the HSG, and it's a win for all the
fans and everybody who lives in this area to have
a world class facility. But also know now that this
city has an opportunity and the financial resources and backing
to really do what they've talked about for a great
many years but have never done. And that has developed

(33:26):
that lakefront, So I think this is it's kind of
a historic day.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
I'll be honest. I thought it was.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Unbelievable, and for it to come on the birthday of
Senior swag No Last feels very appropriate. It's a it
was a big day, big day to be a member
of the northeast Ohio community that I am certainly proud
to be one of.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well said, sir, give a Trey wants to know he
loves MVD and DLD, But when are you going to
start Olmsted Falls Daily?

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Go dogs dogs. Don't forget though. I'm also from Lakewood
el Town, so I know. But these are your boys.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
The bulldogs are your boys.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
They are, But I didn't're running.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I mean, come on, you're running the the concession stand.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
I am actually concession stand visit that might be next
to I think that might be next weekend because I
think they're on the road at Midview this week. Senior
night Ridge Tucky wud be slinging the hot dogs.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Oh I like it.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yes, who's here? Guess who's here?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Kids? The greatest best punters of our generation.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's right, misters aids here. So he and I are
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the official risk advisor of your Cleveland Browns. Well, when
you trail out of the gates as we did in Pittsburgh,
there's not a whole lot of risk out there for
you to get reward on because you end up chasing
the game.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
My friend.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
Yeah, it's a it's a tough question for this game.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
You know, going into Pittsburgh just in general, is not
an easy thing to do. No, I've been there many times.
The fourth quarter of that crowd gets going with that
stick song and and and it's just a passionate fan base,
just like we have here, you know.

Speaker 7 (36:26):
And you look at the difference of that game.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
I mean, they came in and they're what three and one,
four and one, I can't remember the exact record, and
they're playing and they understand where the FC North is right,
so they understand that they go out take care of
business at home, they're going to separate themselves from the pack.
I did think, you know, when you look at the game,
you know, at halftime it was nine to three.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
It's a one one score game.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
I love the fact that this rookie kicker Ander Smith
is really becoming a reliable kicker. He overcame some obstacles
in the first game, but he's really showing that that
he's every thing they thought he would be. So I'm
really happy that he's gone out there and kicked those opportunities.
You know, It's just everything about football is Monday morning quarterback.
You watch the game, then you go back and we've

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been doing this our whole lives and understand what we
can do differently. But I guarantee there's some risk versus
reward plays per se that they're watching in the film
room that they wish I can go back. But the
good thing about football is you can learn from it.
Apply whatever you learn from that game, get better, and
hopefully applied for the Dolphins this week.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
You and I talked about Andre last time you were
in studio, and one of the things that you're curious
about is and I loved your breakdown of it. You're like,
get back to the mechanics, find the things. And you
remember you saying that what you liked about and you
talked to Phil and what you guys said was when
you liked you liked what he said postgame because you, oh,
he knows what's wrong, that it was a physical, mechanical switch,
and then he flipped it and he's been money ever since.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
Yeah, I mean, whether it's a punter a kicker, and
I played with great ones, Phil Dawson, Jay Feely, Matt
Stover obviously, the old Matt Stover kicker here, and even
punters that I've talked with. Whenever you get into a funk,
and every punter and kicker gets into that funk, you
have to go back to one thing because your brain
is racing and thinking about two to three things. So
every good kicker that I've ever been with always told

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me when they got in that funk, remind them to
take a short first step because if you take a
short first step, you're going to be balanced, your next
step is going to be where you want it, and
at least you're going to have an opportunity to get
strength through the ball. If you overstep on that first step,
the second stuff naturally gets longer. You're falling back, your
hips aren't getting through it, and that's when bad things happen.
So when I looked at Andre Smith and I saw
him talk post game, you know, it was good to

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hear him.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
He understood he was doing wrong.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
Yeah, But I always tell kickers, all these young kickers,
just if you get in a funk, focus on one thing.
You do it every day of your life. Just focus
on one thing, and their stuff's going to come natural.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, it certainly does. And good job out of him
forgetting to flip, because that's one of those things that
can break a young kicker. You have a moment like that,
you miss some.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Things and pressure.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
It's a ton man.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
You're out there by yourself in those situations.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
You played in this league a long time, when you're
in the middle of what we're in now, a one
in five stretch, and we've got injuries and we've got
tackle issues, and it doesn't feel we can't get anything
going offensively and the defense is going.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Man, it's a lot on.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Us every week. How do the teams?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
How do teams that you've been on, if you've ever
been in situations like that, how do they come out
of it with even if you can't get the results,
which you know not all the time, you're not always
going to get them, But even you don't get the results,
how do you come out and show up each Sunday
and perform to the standard that you've set for yourself
and your team.

Speaker 8 (39:27):
Well, there's a few it's a good question. A few things.
Number One, you get paid a lot of money. You know,
you don't want to put that at risk because there's
not a lot of jobs out there when you leave football.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
It's going to pay you like they do in football.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
Number Two is this is a really good time where
leaders and organizations show up players that are the leaders
of the team.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
You.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
I guarantee the Browns are watching film and they're looking
at a lot of opportunities missed. They're looking at a
lot of penalties, they're looking at a lot of fits
that maybe just one one individual on that offense just
didn't do their job. But then when they show what
if that guy did their job, and you can really
see that the opportunities are there. And I've been on
a lot of losing teams before, and in those team

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meetings head coaches would show a lot of opportunities that
if we just did our job, we have a chance
to be successful. So I think number one, you got
to eliminate the mistakes. You got to eliminate the penalties,
liminitate the mistakes, and then everybody has to realize going forward,
if you just do your job collectively, will be fine.
But it looks like we keep hurting ourselves. And then
when you hear the players come up after the game saying,

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we keep doing the same mistakes, we keep doing the
same things that are killing us. That has to stop.
Once that stops, the coach, Deafanski says, you got to
stop playing. You got to stop losing games and eliminate
all that. Once you do that, the playing field is
probably a little bit more. Even then, somebody's got to
go make a play. A leader, a good football player
has to make that good catch. Quarterback has to be aggressive,
make that throw. But at the end of the day,

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you got to eliminate the mistakes that are killing you.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Right now, that's where that's the jumping off point. You
mentioned the quarterback. And it's interesting because one of the
things Nathan and I discussed yesterday at great length is
risk versus which is what we call this this segment.
And right, Dylan Gabriel two starts there aren't those cataclysmic
mistakes that he's not throwing it to the other team.

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But the other side of that is as a young
quarterback who is under constant duress because the tackle situation
isn't great and people are coming out. He's getting hit
a lot, he's getting rushed a lot. The other thing
that he's doing is he's getting it out so quick
that sometimes there are plays that could be made and
so that comes back. That's a quarterback position though, of

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the risk versus reward, So we're turning.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
He's not turning the ball over. He's getting it out quick.
He's trying to.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
He's pretty dang accurate.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Be help.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
If everybody caught passes that hit him in the hands,
that would help. But the other thing is we have
to get him to also see that with this risk
down the field, there's a much bigger reward. So how
do you get them to play that way when they're young?

Speaker 8 (41:53):
Well, what's going to happen now? He's had two starts,
so teams have film on him. They know what he's
capable of, and it probably knows his strength some of
his weaknesses. But I don't think it's going to change
with any rookie quarterback that they're going to bring pressure.
So I think the Browns going in every week right now,
I have to expect they're probably going to get more
pressure more blitz looks from the defense because it's a
rookie quarterback and there's been some injuries on the offensive line,

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so that's just natural. So you can game plan a
little bit more because you're probably assuming that's going to happen.
Number two is you know, I looked at the stat
sheet and you know, I'm just a punter, but I
was a.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
High school quarterback. I love to throw the ball. I
always love to throw the ball.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
But when you're at Pittsburgh with a rookie quarterback with injuries,
and we're throwing the ball fifty two times of running
the ball, I don't know twenty, you know, low twenties.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Yeah, the balance attack isn't there.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
And I think coach Tafanski said forever that in a
lot of these coaches the NFL always say like, we
want to go into the balanced offense.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Now.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
I understand, when you're from playing from behind, you got
to throw the ball a little bit more. But I
think if we can eliminate some of those mistakes early
that don't get us behind the eight ball first and
twenty first and fifteen, we can have more of a
balance attack, which then causes the defense not to be
so predictable on what they're gonna come and when they're
gonna blitz.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Well, that's the other part of it, because as you mentioned,
I mean it's nine to three, it's not like they're
up three touchdown with the ball on the third if
I recall, you're right, and so it's not like you're
down three touchdowns. You got to score quick. And one
of the things that was, you know that we lamented
a lot, yes, you know Monday of the Monday Morning
Quarterback Edition was just twelve touches for Quinnhawn Judkins, who
who kind of feels like the best weapon we got.

(43:25):
And that's one of those things when you think about
We were talking to Joe Thomas about this on Monday,
and one of the things that we were saying is
what are we on offense? What is our identity? When
Kevin first got here, it was wide zone, it was
Nick Chubb, it was play action off of it, hit
Jarvis on a dig Odell down the side.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
That was what it is. Chief in the middle.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
We have to figure out what we are offensively, what
is the identity of this team? And we just keep
coming back to feels like ten number ten feels like
the best surest thing. Yeah, and we didn't get a
chance to get him going last week.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
I think it's accumulation of a lot of things. I mean,
you have a lot of rookies playing on.

Speaker 7 (44:01):
This football team.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
You know, if you look at the history of rookie quarterbacks,
then you add in a third round rookie quarterback that
probably wasn't penciled in to play this early. When training
camp came around. Everything is accelerated really really quickly. But
then when you're looking at you know, Jack Conklin being out,
you look at Dwan Jones being out, and then you
signed Cam Robinson. There's been so many, so much shifting
on the offensive line where if you ask any offensive

(44:24):
lineman and a lot of guys, that continuity, that chemistry,
that understanding each other is everything on the offensive line.
So you got a lot of you got rookies playing,
you got a rookie quarterback. You know, you got an
offensive line. It puts the offense in a very tough position.
And that's why I want to go back to my
original comment is you have got to look at the

(44:44):
mistakes first, and the false starts, you know, lining up
off the line, getting a penalty, there. Those are easy
things to correct. And once you stop beating yourself and
putting you first in twenty, you at least have an
opportunity to run the offense. But you go first and twenty,
that offensive game plan on that series automatically changes. And
that's what I think we got to clean up. And
I'm sure, I mean, I can just tell you that's

(45:05):
what they're trying.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
That's what Yeah, yeah, we do what's going on in there.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
The Dolphins come into town on Sunday. They're in a
little bit of a struggle bus as well, my hunches.
I know the answer to this, well, asket anyway, just
get a win and then some of this stuff starts
to get better, does it not.

Speaker 8 (45:19):
Well, winning solves everything in football. Yeah, there's nothing like
winning in the National Football League. I don't care if
you're one in one in fourteen and they're one in fifteen.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
You know that one.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
Anytime you win, you go and you celebrate and you
feel good about yourselves because these guys put in hours
upon hours. I mean, the coaching staff or somewhere here
till midnight. I can't tell you enough of how hard
the staff and the players really work in the National
footballleagu So when you get that win, it's a great celebration.
The thing about a win, though, is you always are
going to go back on film on Monday morning or
one o'clock team meetings. You're still going to identify areas

(45:52):
that you could have been even better. And I think
that's that's what's nice about winning, is you don't some
of the mistakes are minimized when you win, but you
still always go back and realize, maybe you could have
won by another touchdown if who would have done this,
So you start building some optimism. Hey guys, look we
won the game. However, we could have even been better
if we did this, this, and that. So winning solves
a lot of a lot of problems in the National

(46:13):
Football League. If we win against the Dolphins this week,
it's going to feel good. They're a team that seems
like they're in leadership disarray a little bit right now.
They're going through a really, really rough season to start
the season as we are. So this is a game
we should win. I mean, we're playing at home, we're favored. Obviously,
they got some things they're dealing with. They got some
injuries as well. Like I said, we just got to

(46:33):
come out and play brounds football. I think we got
to really focus on the running game and dominate that,
which opens up the play action. I think in any game,
any team would love to do that. But I think
with the talent we have in some of these young guys,
that will open up the offense even more if we
can establish the run.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And here's the thing too, Like we haven't been home much.
We've been on the road. We're Minnesota or London, yeah, Pittsburgh,
It's been all over the globe and the home fans.
It feels like I haven't looked at the extended but
it looks like it's going to be a decent day.
It's kind of out. It seems like we've got a good,
good Sunday for it. Man, not just to win, but
fans need a little fun on a Sunday to remind

(47:09):
them why they fell in love with the team to
begin with. So hopefully you can provide this team can
provide a little that on some Yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
And I think I think at the end of the
day and all the all the you know, great meetings
I've ever been in, you know, they always look at
it's a third special teams, a third offense, a third defense.
We have got to go out and win two or
three of those facets in order to give us a
chance to win. So if the offense isn't having a
great day and the special team is having a great day,
you're probably not going to give yourself the best chance
to win. So I think each unit is trying to

(47:34):
find efficiencies on elimiting them stays, leaning the bad things.
If we can just eliminate those things, it puts you
in a position to.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
Win the game.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
But if you're killing yourselves on a block pawn or
a big return and a couple of turnovers and you know, Sacks,
you're just not giving yourself a chance.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
And I think if you know I was in those meetings.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
Room, I would expect that's probably what's being discussed is
we have to we have to stop beating ourselves before
we let the opponent beat us.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
They have great stuff. Yeah, great talking.

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Speaker 5 (48:47):
This is one of the best parts of the job,
is one of the most important shows I think that
we do of the year. So I would urge everybody
who is listening to pay attention to what you are
going to hear over the next ten minutes or so,
because I am join right now live from University Hospitals
SIBM and Cancer Center. We are joined by doctor Ted Technos,
the President and Scientific director of the Sibemond Cancer Center

(49:10):
here at UH. And this is one where you're you're
doing such great work here where people can listen to
this and perhaps here's something that could ultimately go on
to save their lives or the lives of a loved one.
So I find that to be very important. But I'm
going to start with this one. From the last year
when we sat down with you to this year, what
is the biggest advancement or the biggest change in our

(49:33):
ability to fight cancer?

Speaker 9 (49:36):
You know, Nathan, it's first of all, it's a pleasure
to be here. It's purely a lot of fun, and
you're right, this is a very important topic. So, as
we mentioned, there's new discoveries and new treatments coming online
every day for cancer treatment and cures, and I think
probably what's most important is what does occur every day,
and those are clinical trials. So what is a clinical trial?

(49:59):
It's basic the concept that every drug that is used
as standard care first undergoes a clinical trial for safety
and for efficacy. So in cancer care, getting access to
those drugs that are available first to you as a
participant in a trial that can really change the course

(50:19):
of that cancer therapy and everybody's cancer journey is really
critically important. So at University Hospitals we have about four
hundred clinical trials, and some of these trials are really
resulting in remarkable responses to cancers that had previously been
very difficult to treat. So clinical trials are critically important.

(50:43):
The other thing that is a really important part of
cancer care and cancer treatment are radiation machines and radiation therapy.
So just this past year, University Hospitals was proud to
be the first center in North America to install the
varying Ethos two point zero, which is a type of
radiation therapy where it adjusts the treatment doses every day.

(51:08):
So you know, you may think, Okay, I have a
colon cancer and you do an X ray and you're
going to deliver radiation therapy to that over the course
of a few weeks, but every day you come in
you may have changes in your gut the way things
are aligned. So there's a cat scan done every single
time you show up, and the treatment is modified every
time you come. Wow, and that it has allowed much

(51:31):
more specific, much more targeted treatment, better outcomes, and fewer
side effects. So that very ETHOS is something that we're
really truly proud of. And then the final thing that
I think is really and continues to be one of
the biggest advances is our cellular therapy treatment. So cellular
therapy is where you take a patient's own cancer fighting

(51:52):
cells T cells out of their body, modify them genetically
so that it identifies the cancer that they're fighting, and
then you give it back to the patient and then
it goes around the patient's body and attacks their cancer
and really minimizes damage to any other part of the body.
And you can then train these T cells to identify cancers,

(52:13):
whether it be leukemias, lymphomas, and now we have new
ones that are being created for other blood malignancies and
even some solid tumors.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
So obviously it's this is near and I know what
you were just talking about right there, near and near
in our heart with Jim Donovan obviously, and you know
how far has that even come in the last year
in terms of kind of those the cellular kind of
the immunotherapy that you're talking about, those treatments.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
It's really remarkable. Like I said, every day is a
new discovery and a new wonder really. So you know,
these cellular therapies and what Jim had used to take
about a month, you know, to take the cells out.
They're literally filtered out of your bloodstream, these T cells,
and then they're modified. It used to take about a
month to get those cells modified. Then our own laboratory

(53:01):
here got it down to about a week, which really
was critically important. But then one of our scientists over
the past year's name is doctor David Wald, developed a
technique where you can do it in twenty four hours,
so you can take blood out of a patient and
not even through a filtering process but almost like donating

(53:22):
blood at the Red Cross, filter the cells out of there,
make the modification in twenty four hours, give it back
to the patient so it doesn't have to go anywhere.
It's a low resource setting, so you don't have to
have fancy machines. And that particular discovery won the first
prize at an international award at an international conference sorry,

(53:47):
because not only was it quick, but it was also
as effective, if not a little bit more effective, and
those in the treatments lasted longer, so the patient's cancers
didn't come back.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Well.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
I would imagine if you can cut twenty seven, eight,
twenty nine days off of a waiting period when you're
dealing with an aggressive cancer that.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
Is and sometimes felieable, then sometimes people don't have twenty
seven days. So it really was a remarkable discovery. So
that's probably the biggest advance that's come out of UH
over the last year or so.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
That's incredible. And then you mentioned the clinical trials.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
UH has the nation's first ever clinical trial where you've
repurposed the cholesterol drug drug fenofibrate and you're seeing good
results with that.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
Yeah, this is a really interesting trial. So you know
what I do. I'm aheadneck surgeon and one of the
diseases I treat is a cancer of the tonsil or
the back of the tongue that is related to the
HPV virus, so getting human papaloma virus. It's the same
virus that causes cervical cancer in women, so that virus

(54:52):
is increasing dramatically. The incidents of cancers from that particular
virus have gone up threefold, three hundred percent in the
thirty years, and the treatments can be very toxic. One
of the scientists at University Hospitals, though, figured out why
the virus causes these cancers and then said, how can we.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Disrupt what the virus does?

Speaker 9 (55:14):
So he looked at drugs that were available and used
some chemistry and then figured out that this drug phenofibrate,
which has been used for decades for cholesterol treatment, actually
nullified the HPV virus and eliminated these cancers with very
few side effects. So it worked dramatically well in the lab,

(55:36):
cured you know, these cancers in lab animals. And now
this very well tolerated drug is being used for HPV
related malignancies within a clinical trial, starting in cervical cancer,
so women who have cervical cancer, and now moving over
to headnet cancers as well. So that's one way that AI,

(55:57):
actually this was an AI enabled discovery is being used
to you know, improve patience lives today.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
So kind of walk us through that. How did the AI?
How did that help in this case?

Speaker 9 (56:10):
So what you know, doctor Pan was able to figure
out is, okay, the virus meets the DNA at a
certain level, and he had developed drugs that could you know,
essentially keep meeting block that you know, lock and key model.
And then he said, okay, well, what available compounds are

(56:30):
there out there using AI that could do the same thing,
have the structure and the size that could fit there.
And it spit out phenofibrate and then that drugs Now
in clinical trials.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
How long does it take a drug to go from
let's take this one fenol fibrate and I would imagine
you're using with some of your patients, perhaps as you
get into the neck and throat. How long does it
take for you to go, yeah, this is working and
and then graduate out of that clinical trial to then
just be the andered procedure.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
That's a great question.

Speaker 9 (57:02):
So I think under traditional discovery, you'd have to discover
in a lab, you know, build it in a chemical lab,
do what's called you know, GMP grade, you know, discovery
of it, and then get it through the FDA, and
that can take decades. But when you take a drug

(57:24):
that's already you improved, improved, you know it could be
it's already in clinical trials now, so if it's proven
to be safe and effective, you know, this could be
in the in the clinic and matter of a couple
of years.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
And that's one of the cool things about this when
we do it is not only do we learn so much,
but just the hope that it comes with hearing of
all the advancements, because I don't know any of us
who have not been touched unfortunately by cancer, and to
know that we're getting closer and closer, you know, every year,
and it kind of a rap as you always had,
you know, more's happened in the last two years than
the previous twenty combined.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
They you know, we're getting closer to that. It is
very true.

Speaker 9 (58:03):
I mean, I think you know, the survival rate in
the last thirty years in cancer is improved by thirty percent.
So it used to be that only you know, thirty
five percent of people who are diagnosed with cancer beat
their cancers. Now it's sixty five percent and just literally
since nineteen ninety one, major major improvements.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
That is incredible.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Now one of the things to not only what you
can do, you know, to avoid getting it or to
have one of those good outcomes is early detection. That
is it's crucial. That's what it's called crucial catch. It's
crucial to catch cancer early. So I'm a man, I'm
forty five. Well, now I'm forty seven. I've had my colonoscopy.
I got ten years, which I'm thrilled about. But what

(58:46):
would you say, two men out there who are forty
five or above who have not yet gotten their colonoscopy.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
Get off your button, get your colonoscopy. So, I mean,
there's no excuse not to have a colonoscopy. It's a
simple procedure. It's incredibly accurate, and you know it's the
best way to detect malignancies early. If you catch a
cancer early, universally, the outcomes are really good. Breast cancer,

(59:13):
if you catch it in the earliest stages, is ninety
nine percent curable. Colonoscopy for colon cancer, you can actually
prevent yourself from getting a colon cancer because many times,
prior to developing a cancer, you develop a polyp that's
pre malignant. You snip that polyp off, you're not going
to get cancer. So get your colonoscopy for men starting

(59:35):
at age forty five men and women, and then women
get their mammograms starting at age forty. Now, if you
have a genetic predisposition or a family history, you may
want to do it earlier.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
A colon cancer, for example, is one of the most
preventable if you follow the procedures.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
That should not be something that.

Speaker 9 (59:55):
It's pretty problem. It's preventable, and you can detect it early.
So even if you do develop it early, detection high
care rates.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
You were talking with me earlier about something that might
be the future here is that you know blood tests
that could potentially identify any number of cancers in your
body to the point where you know, I was at
actually was a UH sponsored event that was at the
stadium and people were coming with all these various technologies
and one was something that was wearable to determine you know,
dehydration because that's so important for your body. And you know,

(01:00:27):
we could give the point where do you have something
that's constantly checking you for current cancers? What kind of
have you look at it from the next you know,
year to call it five years just from cancer screening.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
How do you think that's going to change as well?

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question. So there is
an available, commercially available test right now, blood test, where
you can actually have a simple blood draw and then
your blood is sent to a laboratory, the DNA from
your blood extracted, and then the signals that are in

(01:01:03):
your blood are compared to cancers. So with a very
high degree of accuracy, you can you can detect cancers
before they're even symptomatic in you. So this particular test,
if you get a negative study and it says you
do not have a signal for cancer, you're ninety nine
point five percent guaranteed not to have cancer. And then

(01:01:23):
if you do get a positive signal on that test,
it'll say, you know what, you have a signal that
looks like you may have calling cancer or lung cancer,
so go get it checked out. And that clearly because
you have no symptoms, you know, would be a very
very early detection and could improve your outcomes as well.
So the future, I think is going to be where

(01:01:44):
these tests are going to come down in price, people
are going to have them done on a regular basis.
And as we joked about, it's not out of the
you know, sort of realm of possibility that there may
be a wearable device kind of like you know, when
we do a glucose screen, you know with there, you know,
with you know, the patch that's on your arm that
will be continuously monitoring our bloodstream for you know, cancer

(01:02:07):
related DNA.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Which is awesome because I think everybody knows about what
you can do for colon cancer and what you can
do for you know, breast cancer. Those are kind of
two screenings that everybody knows about and hopefully everybody takes
it and utilizes, but you don't have screenings for so
many other things. Because is a way to maybe get there. Now,
get those screenings, early detection. All of that's important, but

(01:02:30):
there are also lifestyle factors, right, that are incredibly important
to your ability to stay cancer free as well. And
I know we've been seeing young people get cancer more
frequently in the last few decades. What else can you
do in your life to try to limit your risks?

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
Yeah, this is where I you know, end up looking
like a downer, right, because the way the way to limit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Your it sounds fun. Yes, we go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:02:59):
So the best ways to limit your risk of cancer
throughout your lifetime is you know, not using tobacco. Tobacco
is an extreme carcinogen. I mean, it's tied to so
many different malignancies. So not using tobacco and limiting your
exposure to even secondhand smoke is critically important. So no smoking,

(01:03:20):
limiting your alcohol even some studies say cut it out altogether,
not only for cancer risk, but for dementia risks and
other things. So no smoking. What about red wine though,
Come on, that could be protective, Nathan, that could be protected.
So that's why I say limiting your alcohol. So no tobacco,
limit your alcohol, tobacco or check on that limit alcohol.

(01:03:42):
Eat well, and what does that mean? You know, a
healthy diet and really primarily plant based diet. That's really
the healthiest diet if you look at it for both
heart and cancer health. But moderation, right, red meat, Excess
red meat is a known carcinogen actually for correct cancer.
So limiting your red meat eating more unable meatscopy, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Right, that's right, that's the way to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:08):
And something that you know all of us should do
is exercise regularly that certainly limits your risk of malignancy.
Use sunscreen because the rates of melanoma are really rising
and other skin cancers. And then finally get your screenings.
You know, be sure you regularly follow your screenings, and
those are really critically important.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
And one other thing is you're the vaccine for HPV
because you're talking about all the cancers you're seeing with
HPV that is totally preventable absolutely, so you know, if you.

Speaker 9 (01:04:39):
The rates of cervical cancer and headneck cancer and individuals
who've been vaccinated really are virtually eliminated. So and because
it covers so many of the virus you know, the
cancer causing viruses in the HPV family. So twenty percent
of malignancies are related to a virus not all of

(01:04:59):
them hp be related, but we do have vaccines to HPV,
so being vaccinated against HPV will prevent people from developing
cervical cancer, head and neck cancer, and ain'torectal cancer?

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Was that around when? Like, would we have that?

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:05:15):
You know, no, In fact, the vaccine has really been
around for approximately twenty years and after you approved, and
it started out being approved just for women, but now
it's approved for men and women up to the age
of forty five.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
So now am I out of luck?

Speaker 9 (01:05:30):
If I didn't know, if he asked your doctor, maybe
he would, you know, maybe give you, you know, give
you a pass. But it is very good, you know
at preventing these malignancies.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Well, doctor, this has been incredible as always, and hopefully
if we can help one person right prevent a cancer
today or it's the key, that's all we can hope for.
But thank you so much for your time, Thank you
so much for the information, all the work you guys
are doing to hopefully get the point where one day
you're going to sit down here on Clon Browns daily
and we'll use this obviously as the natural platform.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
We can just talk football.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
So we just talked football.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Yes, well, hopefully by cancer gone Browns are winning. It'll
be a perfect, perfect way.

Speaker 9 (01:06:08):
That is nirvana.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Right, that'll be a nirvana.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Thank you so much for the time. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
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Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
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Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
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Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
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Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
By the way, doctor Tectus is awesome. It was great
to get to to catch up with him, uh again,
and and it sounds like they've made I mean you
think about just the advancements A.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
I mean we all know obviously, and we think about Jim,
you know, every day, but we know, you know, when
of the treatments that he did and the fact that
that's gone from a thirty day weight to a twenty
four hour turnaround is in a year is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
It's all gives us.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
He gives everybody obviously a lot of hope you know,
going forward that you can take care of it. But
it just if every listen, just do your screening.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
Do your screen screen it's done, Get off your butt,
do some screenings. That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right,
that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
You guys want to go around the league, I'd love to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
The NFL suspends Lions safety Brian Branch for one game
without pay after he struck Chiefs wide receiver Juju Smith
Schuster in postgame. Yeah, I mean, I would say so
that that seems appropriate. It seems like everybody on Detroit
and Detroit is on the same page with that. I
do think sometimes for like you heard Dan Campbell's comments postgame,

(01:08:33):
that's not we're about you know, we don't want any
part of that. But at the same time, like it
is a little bit not the fighting, but that type
of bravado is a little bit how they carry themselves,
and it is And so you walk that fine line,
you do.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
And I think that you saw really from you know,
Dan Campbell tried to kind of nip that in the
bud there and he's appealing the suspension. We'll see they're
already down their corners. They're really beating up on the
back end there, So we'll see how that goes. But yeah,
you get just see to me, that's it's just an
intelligence test. You know, you can't do that. No, Like,

(01:09:09):
you know, you can't do that. And what's the idea
that your big win is you're gonna punch a person
wearing a helmet?

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Is that's not a win. Nobody wins with that. No,
you can break your hand. Failure of an intelligence test
and every possible.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
Yeah, and it's not good, But you're not gonna hurt
somebody hitting them in the head while they're wearing a helmet,
I would imagine, So doesn't seem like the smartest move,
and he's gonna he's likely gonna get suspended. They'll probably
try to push it out. They've got, you know, this
game against Tampa. They probably wild say, hey, why don't
you make it for this game and we'll try to
pick an easier game on the schedule for you to
get suspended. But I don't know, we'll see what the
what the legal do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
A lot of injuries keep piling up in the National
Football League. Two Buckeye receivers went down this weekend Mecha
book are gonna be out a little while with a hamstring,
and then Jets wide receiver Garrett Wilson with a hyper
extended knee expected to miss a few weeks per soon.
So already tough sledding for the New York Jets. Is
they are zero and six and now they lose really

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kind of their only offensive weapon downfield.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Well yeah, I mean, they had the worst passing game
I think maybe an NFL history last week and now
they've lost their their number one guy there that cannot
be good. Speaking of the Jets, former Jets and former Buckeyes.
Did you see Nick Mangold's Nick Mangold's message.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
I did, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Yeah, so very tough, But basically he is. He's posted
on social media. Anybody who's listening. He's reaching out to
the Jets in Ohio state communities. He's in need of
a kidney donor with type O blood. If you're willing
to find out if you could be a match and
donate a kidney to me, please go to the site
they listed there from Columbia Surgery dot org slash Kidney's
dash transplant kick the link in the Click the link
to indicate I want to donate my kidney. Use my

(01:10:47):
full name, Nicholas Mangold, my birthday, which is January thirteenth,
nineteen eighty four. Is deeply grateful for anyone to consider donating,
so obviously he's got a In two thousand and six,
he was diagnosed with a genetic defect that has led
to a chronic kidney disease. He's undergoing aalysis looking for
a kidney transplant, and it sounds fairly urgent and very

(01:11:07):
sad scary situation, so hopefully so he can find a match.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, absolutely, thoughts thoughts for him and hopefully that that
can get worked out for him. He's a good dude,
and I don't know him personally, but the people I
know who do speak very, very highly of the way
he's always gone about his business. Titans president Chad Brinker
on the firing at Brian Callahan yesterday, we aren't seeing growth.
We drafted cam first. Overall, we need to see him

(01:11:33):
grow as a player. Senior offensive assistant Mike McCoy is
your interim head coach in Tennessee. This is we talked
about this a little bit yesterday. You fire a coach
in the beginning of a of a rookie quarterback and
you just can so stunt that process. So whatever cam
Ward is going to be, it's now going to be
harder to get there because of some of the decisions

(01:11:55):
that Titans made.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Yeah, and it's it's a tough one and everything. I
get it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Mike McCoy, you know, was very successful until the end
of a lot of games when his time with the
Chargers felt like they always would have leads and then
he might get like a backbreaking Phil Rivers pick six.
For there was a stretch there where that seemed to
be what the recipe for them. But he's a he's
a guy who's been around the league, been around a
lot of quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
I know Callahan was as well.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Now Bill Callahan is leaving, you know, you wonder is
there an opportunity to get him back here in Cleveland.
That certainly would be something that I think everybody would welcome.
I know I certainly am.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yeah, he was a I mean, he's the best.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Just even as an offensive assistants an eyes, eyes and ears.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Yeah, wasn't he run game coordinator when he was here?

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
He was run game coordinator and he was, of course
the offensive line coach.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Just really smart guy, really smart guy, and you like
really smart guys. One more example from around the league
of the NFL winning the forty nine Ers Bucks game,
which was in seventy eight percent of the markets in
the country on Sunday through twenty six point eight million viewers.
That is the best Week six for the CBS. Yeah,

(01:13:09):
best since nineteen, since two thousand and seven. A Pats
Cowboys game in seven did twenty nine point one CBS
is on pace first most watched NFL season since twenty
and fifteen. Folks, this isn't by This isn't coincidence with
the NFL continue There's nothing else in entertainment other than football.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
I'm not forget sports.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
There's nothing else in entertainment other than football that continues
to go up and up and up. It is crazy
NFL obviously, King, but then college football it's prints underneath
it and they just keep getting the audience every single week.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Yeah, and that's that was a fun game to watch.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
And obviously right now the Bucks and Baker good much
watch TV. The Niners are always a good watch. That was,
you know's that's an incredible number, though, What do you
think about a random Sunday in October? That is incredible number?

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Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Week six of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Hello Gibbet at breaking News for you Go Go, What
do you got?

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
David Bell, who I believe was.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Here today within the last hour.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
As announced his retirement from the National Football League. He said,
several months ago, I was blindsided by an off field
injury that was beyond my control, which put my football
future in jeopardy. If consulting with medical experts and praying,
I accept the continuing to play football would literally risk
life and limb although it is the last thing I
would otherwise want to do. With a heavy heart, I
am announcing my retirement. And then he does a long

(01:15:35):
thank you to everybody at the Browns.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Third round pick David Bell retires unfortunately, and I don't
know exactly what happened, but that is very sad and
certainly wish him the best.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, you were wondering what was going on and still
not exactly sure what happened, but uh, that's it. Yeah,
third round pick out of Purdue. He had what he
was incredible his last season there and had a massive
game against Ohio State, and you know, just in terms
on the football field, it never really materialized. But this

(01:16:14):
obviously much goes much, much beyond that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Yes, it was going on right now. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
I have a serious moment going on. We do, I
don't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
All right, there, we got an outs under control all
of a sudden, it was it was Razor Ramon was
going to a Chilis and they're playing his theme song.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
I don't know why.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
I love chips.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Oh man, you're you're in your fours for you page
on your Instagram.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
I was definitely my page. It's a wild place to
be right now. I can tell you what nobody knows
you better? Well, I would. I'd go ahead and actually
vehemently disagree. I think I would go so far as
to say, of the algorithms that know me well, that
would be my My Instagram knows me much better than that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
That's what I just said.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
Yes, Oh well, we're on for you we're on we're
on the Oh you're on the x plax.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
That was oh yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
What I said, Yeah, what I said was your your
Instagram for you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
You couldn't be more very careful there, You couldn't be
more correct. One of the greatest SNLS gets ever around that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:24):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
One thought, Gibby, how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Uh great? How are you?

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
We're hanging in?

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
I thought Week six in the National Football League. Uh
z uh wow, we'll start with bow first. Well, let's
do pose ourselves. Let me do that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
When did I go first?

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Broncos thirteen, Jets eleven? One thought from you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah, just a clunky, gross game. You feel sorry for
the folks in London that they were subjected. But at
the same time time, this is what good teams do.
They win when it's clunky. And Denver won and so
on to the next and it's easier to fix problems.
Am it'st to win the Jets obviously, big time struggle bus.
But good job out of Denver for getting a win

(01:18:14):
when you're not at your best and it's not great,
but get that win and move on.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
And they didn't even show up in this game and
yet they were able to get it done. I mean,
when the Jets have negative ten yards net passing, I
believe there may be multiple games where there have been
negative yards net passing, and I know that Justin Fields
has at least two of them because he had won
against the Browns his first ever start with the Bears,
when we sacked him nine times and they had negative
net yards passing in that game as well.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
I think we might have put yeah, I think, but
you have four in that game, three or four?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
Up next. If the season were to end today, the
number one seed in the AFC would be the Indianapolis Colts.
Colts thirty one Cardinals twenty seven Cardinals fall to two
and four.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Zegir one thought, again, just a good win here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Daniel Jones so efficient twenty to thirty, two to twelve,
two touchdowns passing, ran for a touchdown, Taylor's over one
hundred yards. Tyler Warren continues to be an absolute stud
for that team. But I'm going to flip it around
on the other side and give a lot of credit
to Jacoby Brissett and to this Arizona Cardinals team that
really competed their butts off, stayed in it Jacoby were
set through for three hundred and twenty yards with only

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thirty two of them going to Marvin Harrison. That is
looking like an It's insane that he has not been
more in the National Football League. But guy mack Wilson
had nine tackles and a pick. But this was a
fun game that really came down to it at the
very end and he needed a late touchdown drive from
Danny Dimes to get it done and they did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Bo Bishop, Yeah, I'll just do the Arizona side because
we had Jacoby here. We loved having Jacoby here. It
also speaks to to me it's probably not a coincidence
that they were able to move it well er lack
of a better term, normal traditional quarterback and it just
moved easier for Arizona than it does sometimes with Kyler.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
So I, you know, I think there's maybe something to that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
Larvin Harrison has got to be hurt out what he
has been. Did he get hurt in this, yeah, he's yeah.
If it's can cussed, yeah, we saw it in the game.
He got definitely a head went down into the turf
pretty good.

Speaker 6 (01:20:26):
Uh up next, as we keep it moving here the
first place, New England Patriots. That's right, the New England
Patriots twenty five, the frisky New Orleans Saints nineteen. The
Saints are one and five, but not an easy out
every week, bo.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Bishop Kellen Moore is doing a really good job there. Yeah,
they're not getting the wins, but they play hard every week.
Rattler's playing competently every week. I'll just do the same
side of it. So so good job out of both
of them. You pay attention to that while you're in
a struggle bus situation that they're in. But they play
hard every week, they score points every week, they making
difficult on the opponents, and Rattler looks competent.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
So it's a good job out of Kellen Moore.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Drake may is a stud. Drake May is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
I don't know why he's not being talked about more,
or maybe he is and I'm just not seeing it.
It's not getting into my for you, but he's not
being talked about, and he is playing fantastic football this season.
And you look at that draft class we talked about
a little bit yesterday, but how good it is at
the top this year. Drake May seventy three percent completions,
ten touchdowns, two pick one hundred and twelve rarets. I'll

(01:21:30):
be honest with you, when you look at the entirety
of that roster, he should be in the MVP consideration.
He should be one of the top I think, you know,
Danny Dimes, Baker Mayfield, Drake may might be your top
three MVP candidates right now in the NFL, which is
an insane thing to say. And you know, Mike Rabel's
got to be your coach of the year. I think
at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Yeah, Donald's not far back. He'll be in that mix too.
Who Donald?

Speaker 6 (01:21:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Donald will.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
A late interception off of a helmet stopped Donald from
beating Bake in one of the eight duels this season.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
Next up, the Carolina Panthers might be awful away from home,
but at home they are three and oh. The Panthers
take down the Cowboys thirty to twenty Seven's the girl
one thought.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
Rico Dowdell two hundred yards from scrimmage back to back games.
That has not that does not happen very often. He
is the first undrafted free agent to do it ever,
to have two hundred scrimmage yards in back to back games.
I know that Christian McCaffrey has done it, and then

(01:22:38):
Jay Ajaii has done it. He's the first player in
the entire NFL to post consecutive tw hundred plus scrimmageyard
games since Dalvin cooked at it for Minnesota in weeks
eight and nine of twenty twenty. Just an incredible performance
by him. They brought him in. People forget it was
a thousand yard rusher in Dallas. He gets to do
this against the Dallas Cowboys. That had to feel pretty

(01:22:58):
darn good for him. I would imagine. Uh, and then
you got McMillan scoring twice. Just a this is a
big win. Brice on three touchdown pass, a huge win
against the Cowboys who are all, oh no, d They
do not play. They have no defense whatsoever on that team.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yeah, sure, Dak Prescott is playing it. I mean, if
they had one more win or two more the MVP,
they don't have Ceedee lamb doesn't matter. Nine for one,
sixty eight out of pickens. They score every week no
matter who they play. He's a total stud. But they
really don't have much of a run game. They got
nothing this week and he's two sixty three scores. He's

(01:23:35):
really having a great season.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Did you see the play.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
Pickens, by the way, thirty two five twenty five leads
the NFL with six receiving touchdowns. He's everg in sixteen
point four yards of catch on pace for obviously well
well well over a thousand yards, being one of the
most dominant players in the league. Yeah, they got him.
He has been so far kind of a model citizen.
But he's gonna be a free agent I think at
the end of the year. This is somebody who's gonna

(01:23:59):
get paid at the end of this season. His fourth
season in the league as a free agent coming up.
But did you see the play where he caught one,
I mean his jets. He had a slant where he
just ran away from it, he got touched down, but
he another one where he caught it and ran across
the field, flipped the ball into his left hand just
so he could stiff arm the guy coming after him
and basically just punch him in the face, which was
very on brand for Pickens and I found to be hilarious.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
One word, We go, gentlemen. The Seattle Seahawks are the
road Warriors in the NFL. They are three and zero
away from home. Seahawks go cross country into Jacksonville, the
armpit of America. They take down the Jags thirty to twelve.
Bo Bishop one thought from.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
You, Seattle's legit, good, Darnold's legit.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
Good?

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
Good on him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yeah, good coach, good organization, not go you wear a
great defense. Jackson Swith and Jig business stud and they
have everything figured out now. And I think it's kind
of a lesson that they actually did it twice, that
that when you don't have the quarterback, there other places
to get him. They made it work with Gino Smith.
They won a lot of games with him, and then
they did it with Sam Darnold. Now where these are

(01:25:07):
guys who are on the scrap heap. Now, they didn't
pay Sam that way, but but they were. They found
another another way. You don't necessarily have to pick one
at number one overall. So good job out of them, Jackson,
Smith and Jig.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
But six hundred and ninety six yards average, one hundred
and sixty in a game, twelve point four yards a target,
fifteen point seven yards a touch. He's leading the NFL
in all of those categories. He has been absolutely remarkable.
And he was the twentieth overall pick. And they think
about where Abuka was taken, Jackson Smith and Jigba. That's
what I want, wet my beak with some of these

(01:25:39):
good receivers. Carnell Tait right next year, come on down already, Wan,
There's some other receivers though. Mel Kiper by the way,
just released his first big board. He's got the Notre Dame.
He's got the Oregon quarterback first, Moore's first, the Notre
Dame running back second, the Indiana quarterbacks third, and then
he's got a receiver I want to save from. I
don't know why. I might have the Indian kid from

(01:26:01):
USC from USC. A receiver from USC is like in
the top five.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
There's some talent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah, I would be hesitant on those two quarterbacks that
he has that high. I think he had rvil Reese
like five or six. The kid from Glenville who's a
stud linebacker off ball linebacker, Caleb Downs is in there
for the Buckeyes as well.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Might have been one more Carnel Tata maybe, and then
Carnel Tape. Carnel Tate I think was on that board too.

Speaker 6 (01:26:25):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:26:26):
Oh, some breaking news from the Cleveland Browns. We have
made some roster.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Moves okay, oh boy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
The Cleveland Browns have signed cornerback Trey Avery to the
active roster from the practice squad. In addition, the team
has signed linebacker Eugene Assante and defensive tackles Simeon Barrow
Junior to the practice squad release tackle Joshua Miles from
the practice squad. The club has also placed David Bell
on reserve retired.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
So did we have to did we have to make
a decision with Avery? Because I think you can only
elevate three weeks, That's right. So I think we had
to make it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
And we got the roster spot when we released they
or Munford Junior got it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
There we go making moves on a Tuesday. Uh next,
Rammitt back on track, except on the special teams front.
Rammit overcomes that they beat the Baltimore Ravens seventeen to
Three's a girl.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
One thought this was an ugly game, And this was
a game that you thought the Rammits were going to
just go in there and absolutely annihilate them, and and
it was three to three at the half. Didn't really
run away from them. Sloppy ball from the Rams. I
think the Rams had they Stafford put it on the
turf couple of times they lost one of them. They've

(01:27:40):
got a guy whose last name is Landman. Though at
a linebacker, he's got fumble recoveries. It feels like every
week he had seventeen tackles this week. That's wild show
They should I mean, it's perfect. The fact that his
name is Ladman. They got to get him on the show.
It's in la They've already had Jerry Jones. Ravens are
just putrid.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Lamar. Lamar's case for MVP.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Just grows and grows and grows because when he is
not there, it is it is a disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
There's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Yeah, it felt to me like the Rams are like
it's three three and a half, they score coming out of.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
It and it's like, yeah, we're good. Yeah, Like that
was kind of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Like you've seen the video of Pooka Nakua like yelling
at everybody on the sidelines, like they just slept walk
through this one and it was good enough. They covered too.
They won and they covered and they slept walked.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
It'll be interesting this week because they go to London.
I think they're staying on the East coast all week.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
That's what we've heard.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
Yeah, we've heard that we're dying, were then carying at
the last possible minute, not spending any time in London.
So yeah, all right, let's go rapid fire because we're
up against it. Raiders twenty Titans ten. Bo Bishop One thought, no,
I don't know what just happened, but you caught out

(01:28:52):
completely and we didn't hear any of it. No I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
No, no, no comments, no comments on no comments on
Raiders Titans.

Speaker 9 (01:29:02):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
I refuse to comment on that putridity.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
Perfect. I'll give you one then comment on Packers twenty
th Bengals eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Joe Joe Flacco had a great line in the postgame presser.
He said, it's amazing watching Higgins and Chase just snatched
the ball out of the air like he kind of
missed one a little bit on an out. And then
he just said, all of a sudden, Jamar's hands just
came out of nowhere. I got both hands on it
and just snatched it out of the air. He goes,
it's so fun playing with these guys, which I thought.
I was happy Joe throw it to them more. Here's

(01:29:32):
my takeaway, throw it to those two guys more. Flacco
was twenty nine to forty five. Twenty of those forty
five passes went to Chase and Higgins. Fifteen of those
were complete for one hundred and fifty six yards in
a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
He threw for two hundred and nineteen yards and two touchdowns.
On twenty five more passes, he produced fifty yards. Just
throw it to those guys, great point. Don't make this hard.
Throw it to those guys you like, watch them snatch it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
Do it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
By the way, on the other side, I think the
Packers are a very good team. They slept walk against us.
We got a lot of things had to go right
for us to beat them ultimately, and they did. But
the Packers, I think think are still a very good team.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
They let teams hang around in the fourth quarter. Uh
Buccaneers Temple thirty eighteen. The girl one thought real quick.
I mean, that was one of the plays of the year.
Bake on third and fourteen.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
My dad was furious, by the way, So Tanjas his
name is, actually it's it is. It's pronounced like that.
It's like, but it's actually pronounced tangis because that's Jim
Nantzen's calling it. And I was like, oh my god,
it's teen. He's he's so close to teen. Just they've
got how do they not have them just like him?
In the hole regalia.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Of course there's a pay day making water into wine,
making water into wine.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Yes, Chiefs, thirty Lions seventeen. That wraps up Week six.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Big answer by the Chiefs, a big, big answer of
the program.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
That was your Middle eight. The Middle eight decided that one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
The Chiefs got that touchdown right before half, and then
they did afterwards as well.

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