February 28, 2025 • 20 mins
On this episode of The Best Podcast Available, Andrew Siciliano and Jason Gibbs are checking in again from Indy for the 2025 NFL Combine. Offensive Coordinator Tommy Rees joins the show to talk his new role, and the guys react to news coming out of the Quarterback press conferences, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're not going to do it live, but we are
here at Lucas Hoyle Stadium. Everybody, welcome to another edition
officially if you're keeping track at home, and I hope
that you are, the second edition of the twenty twenty
five version of the best podcast available on this field.
Behind me the d lineman, the linebackers worked out on
Thursday night on this concourse right now. It's Gibbe, Jason Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Not working out, working out at eating.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm Andrew Ceciliato salad or.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Five here for the next like seven days.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Gibbe decided to come to the combine but chose not
to work out, thank God. However, you are getting steps
on the fit dud.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Dude, still rocking, Okay, I'm averaging about ten eleven thousand steps.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's great, yeah, which should should help his draft stock.
He's potentially growing one of the three meals I from
undrafted up to a potentially Day three priority free agents.
Still a chance, but likely Gibbe has gotten into to
Day three A right, Let's talk about the quarterbacks, because
the quarterbacks were on the podium Friday morning as we
(01:05):
are taping this. Shortly thereafter, everybody wants to hear about
Cam and Shador. We will set this up for you.
They both took the podium at the same time. So
there's a media center, all the assembled masses there with
microphones and cameras. Ready, They're like eight different podiums, so
they come through position by a position wide receivers and
this anyway quarterbacks somewhere earlier in the day, Jackson Dark,
(01:26):
Dylan Gabriel, for example, same same time, different podiums, but
then you had the room evenly divided Shadoor, Sanders and Cam.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Ward and you're throw in Jaden Milrae.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
At the same time. I didn't even realize that, by
the way.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh yeah he was. He was a podium four for
six and eight. Yep, the party central at nine am
this morning. So let's break down Shador.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
First, we were both listening to Cam, but I've gone
through the Shaudor transcript and seeing all the videos here
first and foremost very different personalities. Yep, right, Cam, pretty serious,
Shadoor hat on backwards, big smile, jousting in a fun,
playful way, I think with the media, and he said listen.
I turned it around to Jackson state I we also
(02:10):
speaking of his father and everyone the transferred with them
did the same thing at Colorado. I believe I can
do that. This is my track record at the next level.
Whomever drafts me and said, if you don't want to
turn it around, then basically don't get me. Wasn't specifically
referring to the Browns anyone near the top of the
draft that takes him. He said that he can help
turn a franchise around. That is what he does. He
(02:31):
also said, and I found this interesting, Gibbie, that you know,
if you doubt him, He said, if you don't think
I want of the best quarterbacks in the draft, then
that must be some hate for the family, and said,
you're just using my name against me and not looking
at the film and seeing what I've done and how
I've helped elevate programs.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I mean he won the room. Yes, it's the
million dollar smile. Absolutely, and he knows how to work
the room. Definitely took the PR classes from his father
and probably from his fantastic PR reps. I mean he
worked the room. He did all the individual national media
outlets afterward and got to the point where they were
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desperately just trying to get him out of the room.
He could have stayed there till for you know, normally
it's fifteen minutes at the podium and then you get
five to ten minutes with all the national media outlets.
I mean, he was still there forty five minutes in.
It's nuts yea. And he, like he said, he won
the room.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He said all the right things he did, and look,
he's going to be a quick quarterback. No one knows
where he is going to go. But he did, you know,
plant the flag for listen. I could and should be
number one, but he didn't do it in any way
that I thought was arrogant or off putting or anything
like that. Cam Ward different personality if you know his story.
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He started running a wing te offense and really a
no star QB coming out of Houston, went to Acarnate Word,
ended up eventually at Washington State and then at Miami
last year. He's got some dog in him, a quiet confidence.
I really liked him as well. He did confirm he's
not going to work out, so he's going to work
out for Miami with what he called we're at Miami
(04:08):
Pro Day the best receiver group in America. He talked
a lot as well about learning and his game developing
about making plays in and out of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I mean that's he spent a lot of time
going back to if you're not successful in the pocket,
nothing else really matters. Mobility is great, and being able
to make plays with your legs and on the run
is one thing and fine and dandy, but he kept
going back. I mean I think he went back to
what five or six times in the fifteen minutes he talked.
He said, if I'm not successful in the pocket, I'm
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not going to be a successful quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And made the point and someone said, what would you
say to the people that say you hold the ball
too long? He goes, well, if I have great blocking,
now I've got great receivers, of course I'm going to
let them get open, and then I do have the
ability to make plays out of the pocket. But as
he said, he said, I got it. You know, my
game is developed and I have to stay in the
pocket as well. Talked about the Browns meeting with Bill
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Musgrave yep obviously and Kevin Stefanski mentioned Jerry Judy, mentioned
Jerry Judy as well, and an offensive line. He didn't go,
you know, too deep into the Browns, No, but look,
I came away impressed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, no, no, no, he was great. He's a film junkie.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yes, he said. He didn't do the VR thing, Yeah,
but he would. He's open to it absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He said. The only difference between a first round pick
and a seventh round pick is a signing bonus. You
got to go out and you got to earn it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I like that mentality. He knows what he has to do.
He's very It's a quiet confidence.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He said.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He's gotten better as a vocal leader, but he still
believes at the end of the day, for a quarterback,
it's all about what you do on the football field.
So he was impressive today.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It was a quiet confidence. It was not the sarcastic,
arrogant confidence that you sometimes see on the YouTube videos
with him and Shador their buddies and they're just playing
that up. That's just two guys giving each other greed.
You talk to people Miami, you watch the tape how
demonstrative he is when he's standing there in shotgun trying
to get guys lined up. He does have a loud,
demonstrative leadership to him. It was more of a quiet
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confidence on the podium. My favorite guy today a Mecca
Buka and there was no clothes, there was no second.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He was amazing for forty five minutes and I had
to listen to every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Beyond impressive. Revealed that he is rooming with Will Howard
here the Combine for whatever that is worth. Just a
little nugget there for the Buckeye fans.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Great moment on the podium too, when Howard replaced him
and was like, get off the podium, it's my time now.
Justin FeelA got all excited about it. He was snapping
pictures like the paparazzi, uh paparazzi obviously all over the place.
For a gibbee for Fela and for our next guest.
He is the new offensive coordinator of your Cleveland Browns.
This guy was here last year as the Browns tight
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end coach, had just gotten the job. Now Tommy Reese
is here as the Browns new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thanks for doing the pod.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, thanks for having me on here, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
How's it different this year for you?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Well? I think, well, first of all, last year in
a while since I've been at the Combine, so just
kind of getting your bearings, getting back used to the
flow of the days and kind of the cadence of
how things are run. But you know this year and
what's exciting is last year when a lot of the
focuses tight ends and you know you want to watch
the other positions, but you're really focused on the tight ends.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You know, in the role.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Now you know you really have your hands on all
the position groups on offense and you're in those meetings
getting to know the players that you spend so much
time watching the film on So you know, that part's
really exciting. And you know, obviously we have a ton
of opportunity this year in the draft, so getting to
know these guys has been a really exciting.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Part of the process is getting to know the big
headline here because I mean a lot of the big
names are not working out, but seems to be a
trend and it's growing more and more and more. The
medical is probably not you know, not your rate, So
how important is they getting to know fact?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I think this is like a first impression.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You know, you get you know sometime with them, probably
not as much time as you'd like. You know that
there's more time throughout the process to get to know them.
This is almost that first impression, you know, early introductory
stages of you know, the person they are, the football IQ,
the things that you're looking for from a trade standpoint,
and then you know there's enough guys here on the field,
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and you know, just because the marquee guys aren't working out,
you can still find, you know, some value in the workout.
So you know, I always look forward to this time
of the year, and I really do like the evaluation process.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'm not going to ask you to rank your quarterbacks.
I'm not going to put you in that spot, but generally,
how have the quarterback meetings? Goal?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, really positive. I think you know, these guys now
do such a great job of preparing for this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is it too much? Is it scripted?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I mean I think that's the balance that you want
to find who's in there, who's authentic, who's a little
bit scripted. But you know, they are very thoughtful and
everybody's done a nice job preparing for this, and their
coaches throughout college, I've prepared them for this opportunity, and
you know, you get them in their comfort level when
you turn on their film, they get to start talking
about them playing and you really see those guys light up.
So they've all done a really nice job. Obviously they're
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not here if they haven't had great careers. So you
know it's our job to continue to evaluate it and
you know, see.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Where it struck me. And just as we tape this,
I'm just coming from the podium where all the quarterbacks
did their media availability Friday morning. Is the wide range
of personalities, right, Yeah, I mean shot or stor He's
got to add on backwards. It's that permanent smile. He's
jousting with the media cam. Very serious, right, He's worked
hard to be there. He's proud of his accomplishment in
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the road and the path it took to get him here.
There's Will Howard smiling sad I want talk about Michigan
to be here to talk about the combine. There's Kyle Becord.
Obviously he and Kevin shared the same high school. I'm
a Syracuse guy. He elevated a program. It's like there's
there's kind of something for everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Right, And I think when you look across the NFL
and you look at successful quarterbacks, that truly is how
it goes, right. I Mean, there's not one personality trait,
There's not one characteristic that you can pinpoint and say
this is what a quarterback is or this is how
a quarterback has to act. I think you know now
more than ever, you see a wide range of personality,
You see a wide range of characteristics, and again, we
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got to go through this whole process with these guys
and evaluate, you know, how that fits into what we're
trying to do.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
We've got a lot of starting experience. You what sixty
with fifty games in college overall, big pick starting. I
realized Bill Musgrave college legend, played in the NFL. Obviously
Kevin's background he was a defensive back, but his background
coach in the NFL on the offensive side. When you
have three guys like that in the room, what are
those conversations like and what kind of unique insight do
(10:28):
all of you have offensively quarterback wise?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I'll speak.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You know, both Kevin and Bill have been in a
lot of different offensive systems throughout their career. They've been
exposed to a lot of different quarterbacks, a lot of
quarterback styles throughout their career, so you know, being able
to see a player then attribute it to something in
their past of how it's worked, how it's been successful,
or how maybe something hasn't been successful and was that
part of the plan. Was that part of the player?
(10:54):
You know, is there somewhere in between, So feeling that
balance there, you know. Obviously, I think Musk having played
both at a high level in college and in the NFL,
he can still see the game through that lens. He
still knows what it's like to be in a quarterback
meeting room, to have that relationship with the players from
a backup perspective, and.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
There's a lot of value in that.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
There's a lot of value in still feeling the position
and understanding what it looks like day to day to
be in that room, to be in that role. So
I think we have a wealth of knowledge, and you
know it's our job again to put it all together
to make the right decisions.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Help me out with seeing a quarterback throw in person
and what you get from it, because a bunch of
the big damn guys we know are not going to
throw here. Every quarterback coach, every OC wants to or
scout says, I got to see it in person, right,
got to see and hear how the ball comes out
of his hand. Here they are throwing for the most part,
with guys. Yeah, no, right, guys are also trying to
make an impression, and often those guys aren't on the
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same page.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
The pro days on the flip side, though, often seem scripted.
Yeah right, there is chemistry, right, But at the same time,
they've gone through this, they practiced it the day before.
You probably have the script before it even goes and
the cameras start rolling. Can you get more out of
a guy throwing to people he doesn't know.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're looking at the fluidity
of the passer. You're looking at consistency mechanically for short,
intermediate and deep passes. And I think this I think
you know, everybody always talks about, Hey, these guys haven't
thrown with these guys they have. I remember what that's like.
I'm sure Bill Musgrave obviously remembers what that's like as well.
But if you're accurate and you can time things up,
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you should be able to time it up with guys.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I think if he didn't catch it, he didn't
catch you.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And I think it's also important to understand like where
is the miss right, Like, if you're throwing an out route,
you better not miss inside. So if a guy misses
a little wide, that's an okay miss versus I left
that one a couple of yards inside. Can he fix
that on the next opportunity. And so you're looking at
those correctable errors and things that are probably a little
bit nuanced. But you know, I do think if you're accurate,
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you can come out here and still hit a high
number of completions.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You guys can have person of workouts aside from pro days.
Does that have value?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of value to getting
back with the guys, you know, having more time both
in the classroom on the field, you know, having the
opportunity to be around them one on one again. Like
I said, this is more of a first impression, but
being able to see and build that relationship more as
the process goes on is really important to to how.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We need to evaluate these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
So I'm looking forward to those steps of having guys,
you know, in Cleveland, being able to go out on
the road and see some guys throw at their places
and it should be an exciting, exciting.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Offseason and fans sometimes you get it mixed up. Oh well,
so and so a quarterback is in town, they're gonna
be throwing area.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
They can't grow on those sturdy visits. That's more. You
got to get the old champus exactly. Go through everyone's off.
It's shaking a lot of hands.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
It's shaking a lot of hands, and it's Yeah, there's
some aspects of can we put them in a competitive environment.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Can we put them in a quarterback room environment?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
See how they process, see how they learn, you know,
figure out kind of the role there, the relationship they
can build. Can you get them to kind of open
up and you know, they got all these, like you said,
scripted answers, how they're supposed to act. Can you get
them to be authentic? Can you get them to be
themselves and really open up who they are?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Real quick? Here on your experience in Indianapolis, because I know,
having dinner and going out at night and just running
like coffee shops. No reporter fights, but running into people
at coffee shops. Everyone's trying to figure out like what
are the Titans doing, Like what are the Giants doing?
What is anyone doing in the top ten? Like what's
that like for you in this new role in the Yeah, yeah,
(14:32):
yeah it is, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think the combine.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Look, everybody that has anything to do with the NFL
is here, right, and you can't go more than twenty
steps without running to somebody you know. And it is
a great opportunity to see guys that you've worked with
or no to catch up. But it's also good opportunity, like,
you know, for me personally, Like there are guys here
that I'll sit down with for an hour or two
and talk football and get different perspectives on how people
are doing things. And you know, there is a lot
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of opportunity there too. So I look forward to the week,
you know, I like seeing you know, people that you
kind of as you get older, don't get to see
us often. Yeah, and so it's a it's a it's
a good time. I mean, you know how it is,
you know, going out and eating, getting to catch up
with people. You'll have conversations and places you never thought
you'd have conversations, and you get to you know, keep
on going throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
When any of those people ask you, what's the offense
going to look like? What do you tell them?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I mean I try not to get too far into
the weeds with with everybody, you know, I think we
want to be a group that is extremely balanced, the
one that can create explosive plays while also being sound
in what we do. And you know, we want our
identity to start up front, and we want our identity
to be one that can create explosive plays while you know,
being able to start up front. And we just got
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to continue to go through the off season. I've been
really really pleased with how the staff's shaken out and
how things have come together and the way everybody's working
right now, and so continue to get going.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And this is just another part of the puzzle. I mean,
you're not.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Rebuilding the playbook from scratch, obviously, you're not taking it
down to the studs.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, I mean I think there is of like you know,
every off season you're going to evaluate what you do
and how you want to enhance things. And you know,
we're not stripping everything out, but we're gonna look at
the studs and make sure that they're secure. So I
mean we've been we've been going pretty pretty at it
now since since the off season started. Kevin and I
spent a lot of time together here over the last
couple of months. And we might not be taking those
studs down, but we're evaluating them, We're looking at them,
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you know, like there's some aspects of what the offensive
looked like in the past, but we don't want to
just hand that playbook out and flip it over.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We want to enhance it.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
We want to look at how the game's evolved, how
offensive football's involved, how we can put our wrinkle on it.
You know, we're not gonna have any shortage of ideas
coming from our staff, and you know we value those
inputs and you know, we're excited to get to work.
I mean, it is a I would say it's been
a really refreshing off season in a way of just
being able to kind of look at what we want
to be and how we're going to do it and
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then how that fits our players, which is such an
important part of this thing. And but you know, working
with keV and Chad and Bloom and the whole staff,
it's it's really been a great you know, first couple
of months of the off season.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Last thing for you just what's that working relationship in
the lab? Like creatively yep, because the side of Kevin
on the pody is not necessarily the side that you
see right every day. Like it's got some sarcasms, like
when you guys are on the board, do you guys
are spitting out ideas when you guys are sitting across
the table with your laptops open? Yeah, what's what's that dynamic?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, I think it's really good. I think Kevin and
I see the game in a really similar way. From
a big picture standpoint, there might be different ways to
get there, which I think is going to be where
the really creative ideas and the things come together. But
I think in terms of a big picture we see
the game very similarly. And you're right, keV does have
a different personality than probably everybody gets to see. You know,
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I appreciate the sarcasm. I appreciate the sense of humor.
I probably have a little too much of that in
me myself. So it's definitely a good rapport. There's I
obviously have you know, a ton of respect for keV
at his football mind, and it's been great to be
surrounded by him. But you know, it's also my job
to make sure that we push and try to find
new ways and continue to chat engine and see if
there's other ways to do things, and you know, even
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push people outside of their comfort zone, to make sure
that we're maximizing what we.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Have and what we can do.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm looking at my watch at the day. Here we
are ten days ahead of free agency. Basically we are
two months ahead of the draft. I know I'm not patient.
You're probably not patient. I can't.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I am not patient.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I cannot wait to see what it looks like. So
good luck with all that.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, we're looking forward to it
and it should be a fun ride. All right, Thank you, Tom,
thanks so much. So.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
The combine is going to continue through this weekend. The
quarterbacks are going to throw on Saturday. No Shad or Sanders,
no cam Ward. As we mentioned, however, it is still
must see TV. Also must see TV any of the
wide receivers running the forty Isaiah Bond from Texas. Gibby
said he's going to break Savior worthies four to one,
said he would get a four to two, oh your
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forty two.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think it might take four to two oh, just
for me to get out of my stance these days.
There was one at one point I could I was
around five okay, and I felt like that was pretty good.
But yeah, I'm not I'm not them, and I'm not
running out there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Thank God. Highlight for me of the combine Thursday night,
Browns linebacker coach Jason Turvor doing his thing down on
the sideline right into him earlier in the week. He
loves it. I mean he's I mean that's his I
don't say it's his super Bowl, but he loves getting
down there. I would love to see. I should have
said this to Tommy Reese when we just had him,
Like see Tommy Reese down there screaming on Saturday, the
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NFL Network broadcast noted on Thursday night, please get Jason Aricola.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I mean he was ready last Friday. I saw
him and I said, hey, you're going to the combine.
You're gonna be doing the coaching thing again. He goes,
I've got it all mapped out. I've been working on
it for two weeks. I've got I know what I'm doing,
I know the drills, I've got everything mapped out. I'm
going to put them all through their paces. He goes,
I love everything about it because I get a chance.
If we don't talk to him, Yep, I can talk
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to him, and I can work with him, and I
can see what they can do and why MECA is
a pretty important position I think to address here in
the draft and free agency.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, you think Shamar Stewart got all the headlines. Jason Tarver,
of course, stole the show on Thursday evening, So this
is gonna be fun. This is gonna wrap it up
here for the Combine. Listen. We can do probably ten
more hours on the Combine. We will, however, throughout this
pre draft process, come back with Combine stories next week
when you join us on best podcast available, we will
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preview the start of the new league, gear and free
agency because that gets going, as we just said with
Tommy believe it or not, in less than ten days.
There is no off season for Jason Gibbs. I'm Andrew Ceciliano.
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We're not going to do it live, but we are
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Behind me the d lineman, the linebackers worked out on
Thursday night on this concourse right now. It's Gibbe, Jason Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Not working out, working out at eating.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm Andrew Ceciliato salad or.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Five here for the next like seven days.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Gibbe decided to come to the combine but chose not
to work out, thank God. However, you are getting steps
on the fit dud.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Dude, still rocking, Okay, I'm averaging about ten eleven thousand steps.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's great, yeah, which should should help his draft stock.
He's potentially growing one of the three meals I from
undrafted up to a potentially Day three priority free agents.
Still a chance, but likely Gibbe has gotten into to
Day three A right, Let's talk about the quarterbacks, because
the quarterbacks were on the podium Friday morning as we
(01:05):
are taping this. Shortly thereafter, everybody wants to hear about
Cam and Shador. We will set this up for you.
They both took the podium at the same time. So
there's a media center, all the assembled masses there with
microphones and cameras. Ready, They're like eight different podiums, so
they come through position by a position wide receivers and
this anyway quarterbacks somewhere earlier in the day, Jackson Dark,
(01:26):
Dylan Gabriel, for example, same same time, different podiums, but
then you had the room evenly divided Shadoor, Sanders and Cam.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Ward and you're throw in Jaden Milrae.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
At the same time. I didn't even realize that, by
the way.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh yeah he was. He was a podium four for
six and eight. Yep, the party central at nine am
this morning. So let's break down Shador.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
First, we were both listening to Cam, but I've gone
through the Shaudor transcript and seeing all the videos here
first and foremost very different personalities. Yep, right, Cam, pretty serious,
Shadoor hat on backwards, big smile, jousting in a fun,
playful way, I think with the media, and he said listen.
I turned it around to Jackson state I we also
(02:10):
speaking of his father and everyone the transferred with them
did the same thing at Colorado. I believe I can
do that. This is my track record at the next level.
Whomever drafts me and said, if you don't want to
turn it around, then basically don't get me. Wasn't specifically
referring to the Browns anyone near the top of the
draft that takes him. He said that he can help
turn a franchise around. That is what he does. He
(02:31):
also said, and I found this interesting, Gibbie, that you know,
if you doubt him, He said, if you don't think
I want of the best quarterbacks in the draft, then
that must be some hate for the family, and said,
you're just using my name against me and not looking
at the film and seeing what I've done and how
I've helped elevate programs.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, I mean he won the room. Yes, it's the
million dollar smile. Absolutely, and he knows how to work
the room. Definitely took the PR classes from his father
and probably from his fantastic PR reps. I mean he
worked the room. He did all the individual national media
outlets afterward and got to the point where they were
(03:09):
desperately just trying to get him out of the room.
He could have stayed there till for you know, normally
it's fifteen minutes at the podium and then you get
five to ten minutes with all the national media outlets.
I mean, he was still there forty five minutes in.
It's nuts yea. And he, like he said, he won
the room.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
He said all the right things he did, and look,
he's going to be a quick quarterback. No one knows
where he is going to go. But he did, you know,
plant the flag for listen. I could and should be
number one, but he didn't do it in any way
that I thought was arrogant or off putting or anything
like that. Cam Ward different personality if you know his story.
(03:47):
He started running a wing te offense and really a
no star QB coming out of Houston, went to Acarnate Word,
ended up eventually at Washington State and then at Miami
last year. He's got some dog in him, a quiet confidence.
I really liked him as well. He did confirm he's
not going to work out, so he's going to work
out for Miami with what he called we're at Miami
(04:08):
Pro Day the best receiver group in America. He talked
a lot as well about learning and his game developing
about making plays in and out of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I mean that's he spent a lot of time
going back to if you're not successful in the pocket,
nothing else really matters. Mobility is great, and being able
to make plays with your legs and on the run
is one thing and fine and dandy, but he kept
going back. I mean I think he went back to
what five or six times in the fifteen minutes he talked.
He said, if I'm not successful in the pocket, I'm
(04:38):
not going to be a successful quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And made the point and someone said, what would you
say to the people that say you hold the ball
too long? He goes, well, if I have great blocking,
now I've got great receivers, of course I'm going to
let them get open, and then I do have the
ability to make plays out of the pocket. But as
he said, he said, I got it. You know, my
game is developed and I have to stay in the
pocket as well. Talked about the Browns meeting with Bill
(05:01):
Musgrave yep obviously and Kevin Stefanski mentioned Jerry Judy, mentioned
Jerry Judy as well, and an offensive line. He didn't go,
you know, too deep into the Browns, No, but look,
I came away impressed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, no, no, no, he was great. He's a film junkie.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yes, he said. He didn't do the VR thing, Yeah,
but he would. He's open to it absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He said. The only difference between a first round pick
and a seventh round pick is a signing bonus. You
got to go out and you got to earn it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I like that mentality. He knows what he has to do.
He's very It's a quiet confidence.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He said.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He's gotten better as a vocal leader, but he still
believes at the end of the day, for a quarterback,
it's all about what you do on the football field.
So he was impressive today.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It was a quiet confidence. It was not the sarcastic,
arrogant confidence that you sometimes see on the YouTube videos
with him and Shador their buddies and they're just playing
that up. That's just two guys giving each other greed.
You talk to people Miami, you watch the tape how
demonstrative he is when he's standing there in shotgun trying
to get guys lined up. He does have a loud,
demonstrative leadership to him. It was more of a quiet
(06:06):
confidence on the podium. My favorite guy today a Mecca
Buka and there was no clothes, there was no second.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He was amazing for forty five minutes and I had
to listen to every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Beyond impressive. Revealed that he is rooming with Will Howard
here the Combine for whatever that is worth. Just a
little nugget there for the Buckeye fans.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Great moment on the podium too, when Howard replaced him
and was like, get off the podium, it's my time now.
Justin FeelA got all excited about it. He was snapping
pictures like the paparazzi, uh paparazzi obviously all over the place.
For a gibbee for Fela and for our next guest.
He is the new offensive coordinator of your Cleveland Browns.
This guy was here last year as the Browns tight
(06:47):
end coach, had just gotten the job. Now Tommy Reese
is here as the Browns new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thanks for doing the pod.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, thanks for having me on here, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
How's it different this year for you?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Well? I think, well, first of all, last year in
a while since I've been at the Combine, so just
kind of getting your bearings, getting back used to the
flow of the days and kind of the cadence of
how things are run. But you know this year and
what's exciting is last year when a lot of the
focuses tight ends and you know you want to watch
the other positions, but you're really focused on the tight ends.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You know, in the role.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Now you know you really have your hands on all
the position groups on offense and you're in those meetings
getting to know the players that you spend so much
time watching the film on So you know, that part's
really exciting. And you know, obviously we have a ton
of opportunity this year in the draft, so getting to
know these guys has been a really exciting.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Part of the process is getting to know the big
headline here because I mean a lot of the big
names are not working out, but seems to be a
trend and it's growing more and more and more. The
medical is probably not you know, not your rate, So
how important is they getting to know fact?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I think this is like a first impression.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You know, you get you know sometime with them, probably
not as much time as you'd like. You know that
there's more time throughout the process to get to know them.
This is almost that first impression, you know, early introductory
stages of you know, the person they are, the football IQ,
the things that you're looking for from a trade standpoint,
and then you know there's enough guys here on the field,
(08:10):
and you know, just because the marquee guys aren't working out,
you can still find, you know, some value in the workout.
So you know, I always look forward to this time
of the year, and I really do like the evaluation process.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'm not going to ask you to rank your quarterbacks.
I'm not going to put you in that spot, but generally,
how have the quarterback meetings? Goal?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, really positive. I think you know, these guys now
do such a great job of preparing for this.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is it too much? Is it scripted?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I mean I think that's the balance that you want
to find who's in there, who's authentic, who's a little
bit scripted. But you know, they are very thoughtful and
everybody's done a nice job preparing for this, and their
coaches throughout college, I've prepared them for this opportunity, and
you know, you get them in their comfort level when
you turn on their film, they get to start talking
about them playing and you really see those guys light up.
So they've all done a really nice job. Obviously they're
(08:54):
not here if they haven't had great careers. So you
know it's our job to continue to evaluate it and
you know, see.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Where it struck me. And just as we tape this,
I'm just coming from the podium where all the quarterbacks
did their media availability Friday morning. Is the wide range
of personalities, right, Yeah, I mean shot or stor He's
got to add on backwards. It's that permanent smile. He's
jousting with the media cam. Very serious, right, He's worked
hard to be there. He's proud of his accomplishment in
(09:21):
the road and the path it took to get him here.
There's Will Howard smiling sad I want talk about Michigan
to be here to talk about the combine. There's Kyle Becord.
Obviously he and Kevin shared the same high school. I'm
a Syracuse guy. He elevated a program. It's like there's
there's kind of something for everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Right, And I think when you look across the NFL
and you look at successful quarterbacks, that truly is how
it goes, right. I Mean, there's not one personality trait,
There's not one characteristic that you can pinpoint and say
this is what a quarterback is or this is how
a quarterback has to act. I think you know now
more than ever, you see a wide range of personality,
You see a wide range of characteristics, and again, we
(09:59):
got to go through this whole process with these guys
and evaluate, you know, how that fits into what we're
trying to do.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
We've got a lot of starting experience. You what sixty
with fifty games in college overall, big pick starting. I
realized Bill Musgrave college legend, played in the NFL. Obviously
Kevin's background he was a defensive back, but his background
coach in the NFL on the offensive side. When you
have three guys like that in the room, what are
those conversations like and what kind of unique insight do
(10:28):
all of you have offensively quarterback wise?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I'll speak.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You know, both Kevin and Bill have been in a
lot of different offensive systems throughout their career. They've been
exposed to a lot of different quarterbacks, a lot of
quarterback styles throughout their career, so you know, being able
to see a player then attribute it to something in
their past of how it's worked, how it's been successful,
or how maybe something hasn't been successful and was that
part of the plan. Was that part of the player?
(10:54):
You know, is there somewhere in between, So feeling that
balance there, you know. Obviously, I think Musk having played
both at a high level in college and in the NFL,
he can still see the game through that lens. He
still knows what it's like to be in a quarterback
meeting room, to have that relationship with the players from
a backup perspective, and.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
There's a lot of value in that.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
There's a lot of value in still feeling the position
and understanding what it looks like day to day to
be in that room, to be in that role. So
I think we have a wealth of knowledge, and you
know it's our job again to put it all together
to make the right decisions.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Help me out with seeing a quarterback throw in person
and what you get from it, because a bunch of
the big damn guys we know are not going to
throw here. Every quarterback coach, every OC wants to or
scout says, I got to see it in person, right,
got to see and hear how the ball comes out
of his hand. Here they are throwing for the most part,
with guys. Yeah, no, right, guys are also trying to
make an impression, and often those guys aren't on the
(11:47):
same page.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
The pro days on the flip side, though, often seem scripted.
Yeah right, there is chemistry, right, But at the same time,
they've gone through this, they practiced it the day before.
You probably have the script before it even goes and
the cameras start rolling. Can you get more out of
a guy throwing to people he doesn't know.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're looking at the fluidity
of the passer. You're looking at consistency mechanically for short,
intermediate and deep passes. And I think this I think
you know, everybody always talks about, Hey, these guys haven't
thrown with these guys they have. I remember what that's like.
I'm sure Bill Musgrave obviously remembers what that's like as well.
But if you're accurate and you can time things up,
(12:29):
you should be able to time it up with guys.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I think if he didn't catch it, he didn't
catch you.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And I think it's also important to understand like where
is the miss right, Like, if you're throwing an out route,
you better not miss inside. So if a guy misses
a little wide, that's an okay miss versus I left
that one a couple of yards inside. Can he fix
that on the next opportunity. And so you're looking at
those correctable errors and things that are probably a little
bit nuanced. But you know, I do think if you're accurate,
(12:56):
you can come out here and still hit a high
number of completions.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You guys can have person of workouts aside from pro days.
Does that have value?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of value to getting
back with the guys, you know, having more time both
in the classroom on the field, you know, having the
opportunity to be around them one on one again. Like
I said, this is more of a first impression, but
being able to see and build that relationship more as
the process goes on is really important to to how.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We need to evaluate these guys.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
So I'm looking forward to those steps of having guys,
you know, in Cleveland, being able to go out on
the road and see some guys throw at their places
and it should be an exciting, exciting.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Offseason and fans sometimes you get it mixed up. Oh well,
so and so a quarterback is in town, they're gonna
be throwing area.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
They can't grow on those sturdy visits. That's more. You
got to get the old champus exactly. Go through everyone's off.
It's shaking a lot of hands.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
It's shaking a lot of hands, and it's Yeah, there's
some aspects of can we put them in a competitive environment.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Can we put them in a quarterback room environment?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
See how they process, see how they learn, you know,
figure out kind of the role there, the relationship they
can build. Can you get them to kind of open
up and you know, they got all these, like you said,
scripted answers, how they're supposed to act. Can you get
them to be authentic? Can you get them to be
themselves and really open up who they are?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Real quick? Here on your experience in Indianapolis, because I know,
having dinner and going out at night and just running
like coffee shops. No reporter fights, but running into people
at coffee shops. Everyone's trying to figure out like what
are the Titans doing, Like what are the Giants doing?
What is anyone doing in the top ten? Like what's
that like for you in this new role in the Yeah, yeah,
(14:32):
yeah it is, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think the combine.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Look, everybody that has anything to do with the NFL
is here, right, and you can't go more than twenty
steps without running to somebody you know. And it is
a great opportunity to see guys that you've worked with
or no to catch up. But it's also good opportunity, like,
you know, for me personally, Like there are guys here
that I'll sit down with for an hour or two
and talk football and get different perspectives on how people
are doing things. And you know, there is a lot
(14:56):
of opportunity there too. So I look forward to the week,
you know, I like seeing you know, people that you
kind of as you get older, don't get to see
us often. Yeah, and so it's a it's a it's
a good time. I mean, you know how it is,
you know, going out and eating, getting to catch up
with people. You'll have conversations and places you never thought
you'd have conversations, and you get to you know, keep
on going throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
When any of those people ask you, what's the offense
going to look like? What do you tell them?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I mean I try not to get too far into
the weeds with with everybody, you know, I think we
want to be a group that is extremely balanced, the
one that can create explosive plays while also being sound
in what we do. And you know, we want our
identity to start up front, and we want our identity
to be one that can create explosive plays while you know,
being able to start up front. And we just got
(15:43):
to continue to go through the off season. I've been
really really pleased with how the staff's shaken out and
how things have come together and the way everybody's working
right now, and so continue to get going.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And this is just another part of the puzzle. I mean,
you're not.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Rebuilding the playbook from scratch, obviously, you're not taking it
down to the studs.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, I mean I think there is of like you know,
every off season you're going to evaluate what you do
and how you want to enhance things. And you know,
we're not stripping everything out, but we're gonna look at
the studs and make sure that they're secure. So I
mean we've been we've been going pretty pretty at it
now since since the off season started. Kevin and I
spent a lot of time together here over the last
couple of months. And we might not be taking those
studs down, but we're evaluating them, We're looking at them,
(16:21):
you know, like there's some aspects of what the offensive
looked like in the past, but we don't want to
just hand that playbook out and flip it over.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We want to enhance it.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
We want to look at how the game's evolved, how
offensive football's involved, how we can put our wrinkle on it.
You know, we're not gonna have any shortage of ideas
coming from our staff, and you know we value those
inputs and you know, we're excited to get to work.
I mean, it is a I would say it's been
a really refreshing off season in a way of just
being able to kind of look at what we want
to be and how we're going to do it and
(16:49):
then how that fits our players, which is such an
important part of this thing. And but you know, working
with keV and Chad and Bloom and the whole staff,
it's it's really been a great you know, first couple
of months of the off season.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Last thing for you just what's that working relationship in
the lab? Like creatively yep, because the side of Kevin
on the pody is not necessarily the side that you
see right every day. Like it's got some sarcasms, like
when you guys are on the board, do you guys
are spitting out ideas when you guys are sitting across
the table with your laptops open? Yeah, what's what's that dynamic?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Like?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, I think it's really good. I think Kevin and
I see the game in a really similar way. From
a big picture standpoint, there might be different ways to
get there, which I think is going to be where
the really creative ideas and the things come together. But
I think in terms of a big picture we see
the game very similarly. And you're right, keV does have
a different personality than probably everybody gets to see. You know,
(17:41):
I appreciate the sarcasm. I appreciate the sense of humor.
I probably have a little too much of that in
me myself. So it's definitely a good rapport. There's I
obviously have you know, a ton of respect for keV
at his football mind, and it's been great to be
surrounded by him. But you know, it's also my job
to make sure that we push and try to find
new ways and continue to chat engine and see if
there's other ways to do things, and you know, even
(18:03):
push people outside of their comfort zone, to make sure
that we're maximizing what we.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Have and what we can do.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm looking at my watch at the day. Here we
are ten days ahead of free agency. Basically we are
two months ahead of the draft. I know I'm not patient.
You're probably not patient. I can't.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I am not patient.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I cannot wait to see what it looks like. So
good luck with all that.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, we're looking forward to it
and it should be a fun ride. All right, Thank you, Tom,
thanks so much. So.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
The combine is going to continue through this weekend. The
quarterbacks are going to throw on Saturday. No Shad or Sanders,
no cam Ward. As we mentioned, however, it is still
must see TV. Also must see TV any of the
wide receivers running the forty Isaiah Bond from Texas. Gibby
said he's going to break Savior worthies four to one,
said he would get a four to two, oh your
(18:50):
forty two.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think it might take four to two oh, just
for me to get out of my stance these days.
There was one at one point I could I was
around five okay, and I felt like that was pretty good.
But yeah, I'm not I'm not them, and I'm not
running out there tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Thank God. Highlight for me of the combine Thursday night,
Browns linebacker coach Jason Turvor doing his thing down on
the sideline right into him earlier in the week. He
loves it. I mean he's I mean that's his I
don't say it's his super Bowl, but he loves getting
down there. I would love to see. I should have
said this to Tommy Reese when we just had him,
Like see Tommy Reese down there screaming on Saturday, the
(19:27):
NFL Network broadcast noted on Thursday night, please get Jason Aricola.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I mean he was ready last Friday. I saw
him and I said, hey, you're going to the combine.
You're gonna be doing the coaching thing again. He goes,
I've got it all mapped out. I've been working on
it for two weeks. I've got I know what I'm doing,
I know the drills, I've got everything mapped out. I'm
going to put them all through their paces. He goes,
I love everything about it because I get a chance.
If we don't talk to him, Yep, I can talk
(19:54):
to him, and I can work with him, and I
can see what they can do and why MECA is
a pretty important position I think to address here in
the draft and free agency.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, you think Shamar Stewart got all the headlines. Jason Tarver,
of course, stole the show on Thursday evening, So this
is gonna be fun. This is gonna wrap it up
here for the Combine. Listen. We can do probably ten
more hours on the Combine. We will, however, throughout this
pre draft process, come back with Combine stories next week
when you join us on best podcast available, we will
(20:22):
preview the start of the new league, gear and free
agency because that gets going, as we just said with
Tommy believe it or not, in less than ten days.
There is no off season for Jason Gibbs. I'm Andrew Ceciliano.
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