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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus
in Barrea, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, presented by
Bally Bett, an official sports betting partner of your Cleveland
Browns on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. He are your hosts,
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Let's live on a first Friday Miracle edition of Cleveland
Browns Daily.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I am merely Bo. He is the great Z.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
And before us, we have a box with a timer.
Oh baby, baby baby, the countdown is on a.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Forty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I mean, so when that happened, what's gonna happen?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Gibbeck, I told you was a quo.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Everything that goes off, I still have to let you
know when you can open it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's fine, all right, that's fine. Are we opening?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
This is going to happen. This is what I might
blow up. I don't know. I think what's gonna happen.
And when this ends, this lock is going to open.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
And I think when we remove the lock, it's gonna
it's gonna present itself.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think present itself.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
So as as as I was thinking of Raiders of
the Lost Arc, the very first scene when when he
you get to that thing and then the idol comes up.
If you get through it all, the idol lifts up,
and then you have to the right amount of weight.
By the way, pretty good job out of Indy for
getting that weight right on.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
That convenient that he happened to have something the right
amount of sand. Yeah, just to make it work. Yeah,
you like it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Look this, This is the size of a helmet. This
box is so allegedly that's that's probably what you're going
to get here. And people are aware of that.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, I don't know are they. I don't know if
everybody is people are aware? Is everybody aware? Well they
are now?

Speaker 6 (02:10):
They are?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Now?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, do you want to listen to Joel Buttonia who
just came to the podium, or do you want to
save him for two forty?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You want to get into the show a little bit?
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (02:20):
I mean, well, there's I don't want to go to
him and then cut away because it you know this
timers got seven.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Fine, we'll hold it, We'll go.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
We'll go Potonio to forty.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Half stretch in his stretch with gear. His merch right
now is strong.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean, how good does it give me? That's a
great Are we able to Iso at this moment.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's a great lit on half beef right there. That's fantastic.
And you got the americanized version over there, the one
that was the what.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Would you say, the central color of this heat is brown? Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:49):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
You have the the American one over there? Yeah, from
Half Beef USA. Baby, that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Shot a sixty seven in this one on my birthday,
No big deal. I think you mentioned that. I think
I did too, and then I think I re mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
The uh where I would I would like your I
should have done.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
This off air, but I love your hoodie today. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's a nice shite of blue. Let me ask you this,
what when you saw there was a group text exchange
between you, me and S regarding one of his we'd
have a chance to talk about this. But that's that
was an all that had to be. I wanted because
I knew that you were doing with stuff, you had portals,

(03:34):
you were working in or whatever. But I thought that
when you saw that you would be appreciative of that response.
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought you'd like that.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
So S, the great s buck guy is, in the
words of Ingladiator, commemorated his love for the buck eyes
in the form of what can only be described as
a large tattoo on his very permanent way right peck.
It's got a uh this son, son, It's got a

(04:02):
buck eye leaf in the center. It's got the names
of his children and then some clouds at the bottom
for the rays of sun to really pop off the
buck eye leaf and lovely. Yeah, he cut a wrestling promo,
he did shirtless send it to Me, which we watched,
and we then cut a promo back on him, and
you had the great line Scott's s s senatex, Yeah,

(04:25):
s senatext, basically saying you know that we're just joking.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
You know this is tom foolery.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, don't judge, just an inside joke amongst the boys.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Can only imagine what ran through your head.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
And you wrote, oh, thank god, I thought the tat
was real.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
What do you think he knew that.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
I knew that it wasn't at that point, I mean,
he wrote back, it is real, and then he tried
to quickly transition to I've got some But it was
great moment. Yeah, I really wanted your your face on
that one. By the way, I'm also having it. It
reminds me along that's similar vane where you're you know,

(05:08):
playing along to get a response.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
My dad's a new thing.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Okay, so he's got a new thing, so he usually
I guess, really not a new thing, because I would
have said he complains about California.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I've said that before.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, there are other states. I mean, he
could move, move closer to family.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
So I wake up today to text about how in
twenty twenty six, California is banning the sale of natural
gas appliances and banning the insulation of gas appliances, even
in remodels. Now you could say maybe they think that
this is there are environmental benefits.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Immediately, they want everyone on the electric grid easier to
shut them off. So I wrote back, Ohio is a
great exclamation point. He writes back, natural gas is a
clean fuel, and I said, yeah, and it's not banned
in Ohio. Then I wrote, after some more then now
he's not complaining about germandering, disc tricks, and all these
things are happening, which happening, by the way, everywhere everywhere.

(06:04):
As if it's a blue state, they're making it as
blue as can be sure the making we're all working
together Yeah, I just go and I say, you know what, Dad,
California literally seems like the worst state possible for your worldview.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
You know what, Dad, Yeah, you know what I said.
You know what, Dad, You know what.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Dad, It literally seems like the worst.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
State puzzle for your worldview. And now he's.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
His response to that is a shot at Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
My point, exactly, my point exactly.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
He's also hoping that Equinemia Saint Brown will be the
savior for the Fortnight's Receiving Corps. And when I had
a little pushback on that, he's like, but he went
to Notre Dame and he's talling, he has a great name.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
All of those things could be true, all true. All
of those things would be true.

Speaker 8 (06:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Training Camp acxtice number one is today and is it
four twenty five, the first of five ramp up days
as guys get re acclimated here in Beria. Everybody reported yesterday,
you had the conditioning stuff last afternoon, and then today
you'll have practice number one. First practice open to the
public is on Friday. Correct, it's a.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Ramp up day.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
I wouldn't expect a ton out there, but as you're
getting everybody up the speed before we can really get
going here on this train camp. By the way, I
don't know why I just dawned on me. I should
have written back to my dad. I'm tall. I have
a pretty cool name. When you throw the dragon, he're
in there. I went to a private and I went
to an elite institution.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm not helping the Niners receiving at all. Won't do it.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Won't do it.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
But yeah, so we're ramping up. It's exciting. Yesterday the
boys are back in town. Now the boys are on
the field. That's what's gonna happen later here today. Four
twenty five and try the four twenty five to five
point fifty five start is a unique one.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
That would be an interesting question for coach. What is
it about four twenty five? Like when you're doing your day,
these are the only word? Do you land on four
to twenty five versus four o'clock?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
My guess is they wanted to get them in maximize
the meeting time. Look at that, the word out one
four three. Do you remember that in the days of beepers?
I do, Yeah, A little one four to three to
your honey.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Let you know you're thinking of her.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Some roster moves. We're getting close to ninety seconds. Some
roster moves to us to get to Deshaun Watson, Michael
Junior placed on active Physically unable to perform list, David
Bell placed on the active non football injury list, and
Jalen Gill has been waived.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, my call is the one that you really want
to see back on the field as soon as possible,
because I think he's going to be a big part
we've talked about. You know, this defense is going to
be what this defense is going to be, It's going
to come up front. And you know, the investment in
my call with your first pick last year, the investment
in Mason Graham with your first pick this year, and

(09:00):
first round pick my call, second round pick. Obviously, you
need those guys, and you need him out there. He's
a young player. This isn't a veteran who has so
many reps under his belt that he's just gonna walk in.
You need him out there, you need him getting reps.
So that's what I'm gonna really keep an eye on.
David Bell just feels like, unfortunately to this point, has
not worked out at the hopes. He was so good
at Purdue and very good against the best competition, including

(09:24):
the Ohio State Buckeyes. It just says not unfortunately outside
of a week seventeen game or Week eighteen game in Cincinnati,
and hasn't really manifested itself. And of course he had
the fourth down catch and run from Joe Flacco against
the Jags, but it just hasn't manifested itself there this.
I see a scenario where the Browns could go in
with only five receivers this year at room right now

(09:45):
is a little tough. Outside of Jerry Judy, You've got
a guy in Deontay Johnson who's been there out.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Two What are we there? I don't know what we're
supposed to do? I don't know yet. Hold on, well,
what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?
It's alarming at us. Take out the yellow wire, the
yell the red Which one? Do we cut one? Cut one?
Where's magoo? Is it really beeping? Yes? Where's Macgroober? He'll
save us? Has this been do?

Speaker 9 (10:08):
Is?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Does everyone in this building like us enough to not
do something terrible here?

Speaker 7 (10:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean, it's I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Larry Jackson distraught, like he knows something's about to go
down and he didn't want to have to bear witness
to it.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
He's looking away, I mean, it's beeping. Look at him.
He's hunched over. He's like, I can't believe what's about
to happen. Can't believe it. I don't know what to
do here. All right, hold on, we're are we do?

Speaker 7 (10:32):
We have to give it.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
This is incredible. Gentlemen. You may you may open the box.
We may open it.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
All right.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, if you're watching on the stream, you're gonna
get your first look here.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Easy, easy, okay, okay, oh okay, a hoy pouloi.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Okay, look at this okay, okay, A little mad it out.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's mad it out, brown with the orange and brown
stripe down the middle, brown face mask. Yeah, it's a
nice dark dark musket almost. Yes. I don't know if
I can push that. We'll push this back down. Yeah,
there you go. So I am told by the way
first impression. I like it. I'm gonna tell you this,

(11:16):
uh I means a little nervous. Yeah right. The mate
and the darkness is good.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I think the mate and the darkness is very good.
And the other thing that I think that was smart here.
It reminds me of our old color rushes, the bake Eras.
Here's what's cool about it. I like the fact that
they didn't put white in the striping. Yeah, I think
that there's no white on this helmet other than the
chin strap. But everything else is dark, which is good,
which I think works.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
And so.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
This is Alpha Dog presented by Dude Wipes. It will
be an all brown alternate helmet that will be worn.
Let us know with the all brown by the way, jersey,
all brown pant. It's the color Rush era, not the
bait color rushes that had the stripes. It's going to

(12:05):
be the brown, orange numbers, brown pants. So the only
orange is going to be this stripe here, the numbers
and the names and the.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
TV numbers and then with the brown pant with.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
The brown pants, so it is going to be a
full on brown out Alpha Dog. When's it going to
be worn? You're wondering, wonder no more. September twenty first,
so the second home game against the Green Bay Packers,
October nineteenth versus Miami and December seventh against the Tennessee Titans.
You're gonna get that brown out effect three different times.
It's a matte all brown shell, brown stripe between two

(12:36):
orange stripes, all brown face mask. Would be the first
time in the history of the Cleveland Browns that a
brown helmet will be worn, and it.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Is presented by twenty one October nineteenth and December seventh.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Very good memory. Yeah there you go. I like I'm
with you.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
When I knew this was in the offing, I was
curious see it, and once I saw the darkness of
the brown, I think it's good. I think it's gonna
look good, and the orange is gonna pop and it's
gonna be kind of it will be a full on
brown out.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Here's what J. W.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Johnson, Cleveland Brown's executive vice president partner, to say, quote
alpha dog and bodies. What we set out to be
is the Cleveland Browns, the leaders of the pack. We're
excited about this new alternate helmet and the odit pace
of the rich history of the color brown is a
part of our organization, switching it up from our iconic
orange helmets. We look forward to the team wearing the
all brown helmet uniform combination for the first time September
twenty first at Huntington bank Field and leaning into the

(13:29):
alpha dog mentality throughout the twenty twenty five season.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And there are they put some Oh, here you go,
this is what I was looking for. On our social channels.
We put up some images of like the full operation.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
It's pretty good. It is good. It looks pretty good.
It's it looks pretty good. It's very pretty day. Yeah,
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
And I think you know, the thing that you were
hopeful of is you know, when you're when you're you know, brown,
it's can be tough, right, Yeah, But the reality is
they went so dark that it really works. I think
I'm much more. I was cautiously optimistic about this because
it's a tough needle to thread, right, this looks this
this combo, I like, it's a good job. It actually

(14:11):
looks very good. Yeah, I'm excited about it. I'm excited
about it.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
We had I think the white that was beautiful that
we had that year, and now we're going to go
into the dark, the brown, the alpha dogs, and I
think that they got absolutely got it right with the
darkness of the hell. It had to be dark, and
it is and I think it looks very good over those.
I think it's actually a pretty dark, clean look.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Pretty good look man.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And it's yeah, I think the kids will like it.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It's yes.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think going Matt helps a lot. I think that's
very cool. And they went, I mean it's dark.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's gonna be a good Madden look. It is going
to be a good Madden look. I mean, it's what
it is.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
It's that's what it feels like to me. It is
like a Madden It's like a Madden style look.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
All right.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
There you go, Alpha Alpha Dogs.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
The Alpha Dogs again, presented by Dude Wipes the three
games September twenty first versus the Packers, October nineteenth versus Dolphins,
some er some verse Titan. There you see it, Miles
part some of the image from social Let's get those
comments off the.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Side there please, There we go. Mister Hanky has no
place around here. Yeah, good top.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
There's a there's a wallpaper we just put up with
Miles Denzel and Jerry Judy that I think the one
that's the one that you want, that's the one that
kind of gives you the feel that you're looking for.
And I think it looks pretty damn clean.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
It does.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I like it does.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
It's one of those when you hear of the concept
you aren't quite sure how it's going to play out,
because it is admittedly so a little bit of a
tough color and it looks fantastic, and I think those
uniforms are absolutely the right.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Ones to go ahead and pair with it.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yes, yes, yeah, I think the lack of white on
the helmet works. There's no white, white, any warm anywhere anywhere.
It's all just brown and orange.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
So yeah, yeah, nice, nice, good job. And you'll see
it in the first month of the season. So there
you go. It was it the twenty first year. I
guess when the Packers come to towns there you go, all.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, very good? I think, yeah, it looks good. Good job.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
A couple other things around the league. Two final teams,
the Steelers and Falcons, report to camp today. All thirty
two teams are in action and away we go on
the National Football League. My friend, we are here.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
It is go time.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I think there's only one shell left, and it's the Packers.
I think they're the only What do they do it?
They're doing a throwback. I'm not sure what it is.
I'm not sure what they're trying to do. But I
think they're the only one that was getting a new
shell that hasn't yet got it. And I think they're
doing it tomorrow, So my hunches it won't be one
that we see in the game on the twenty first,
rather one that's worn at home. Yeah, but but yeah,

(16:57):
all of them are done.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
All right, how about it? Well, yeah, it's gonna be tough.
I think it's gonna look really good.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I think it looks very good with the way that
they did it. Yes, this combo, yes, and the matt,
the matt versus it being shiny, the darkness are browne
it almost looks black like it really does.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's almost so brown.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It's about as dark a brown as you could be
without being black, which is good, which is said, that's
that's the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
As close to the uniform sheet code as you can be.
That's it. That's it. Absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
This is in terms of the practice that will happen
today at four to twenty five, This is a ramp
up situation. What do we what are we in for
tonight at at four twenty five?

Speaker 5 (17:40):
I don't know, because we've seen clips from the Giant's
camp of Unfortunately Jackson Dart on his first eleven on
eleven throw throwing a pick six, So some teams are
getting into some eleven on eleven's.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I'm trying to remember it, Gibbe.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Do you remember last year at the Greenbrier it felt
like we did not have much eleven on eleven out
of the gate.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
No, because remember you're you're dealing with five days of
ramp up.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Right, and then the Giants don't have a new coach,
so they should be similarly placed with.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Us, right, yes, or paced with us.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
So I'm sure there are limitations on it, and I'm
sure we'll get a sense coaches talked right, no.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Coach talks at three point fifty. But I have a
big l luminary that's ready to join you guys. After
the commercial break.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
A Pro Bowl stud mister Jerry Judy, All right, well
he can.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
He can join us and we'll get his take on
the on the new uniform. Look, those are hot topics
today presented by University Hospitals, official healthcare partner of your
Cleveland Browns. Jerry Judy going to join us coming up next.
Listen to Cleveland Browns Daily, presented by bally Bet, official
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Cleveland Browns Daily presented by bally Bet, an official sports
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
All Right, welcome back, Kid, Cleveland Brown's Daily, eight fifty ESPN, Cleveland. Oh,
mister Pro Bowl, Jerry Judy, that's right, studio, Hey, man,
we see you in this. We just unveiled the helmet
here on the show, and I see you in the
in the brown out head to toe. It's a menacing
Look what do you make of the new gear? And
what do you do you make of the new helmet here?

Speaker 10 (19:43):
I love it, man. Is is definitely different. You know,
it stands out, you know to all Browns. Is just
I love the way to look of it and everything
about it. Man, I'm excited to get to play in it.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Bast it look good, play good?

Speaker 7 (19:56):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (19:57):
When you said the word used off air though, he said, yeah, yeah,
it's good. It's a little bit of a tone center
the Alpha Dogs, that's what they're calling it.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think the key to it was had to toe, Yeah,
had to be no white I mean, just solid all
the way through.

Speaker 10 (20:11):
Yeah, I gotta be all brown to all brown. What
what what I think mixed? The helmet really pops. Yeah,
and it's a good dark brown.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
All right.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
How is your summer?

Speaker 6 (20:19):
It's been good.

Speaker 10 (20:19):
It's been good, you know, grinding, working hard, and you know,
prepared for the season.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
How are you able to because you there's a lot
and we're I mean it's on, we're practicing this afternoon
and away we go and this goes until if you
reach the ultimate prize all the way into February. How
do you balance making sure you stay right physically with
also in a summer like this one, getting a mental
break and being able to unplug a little bit because
you need that part too.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (20:44):
You know, the biggest thing that during the off season
is having structure, you know, keep the main thing, the
main thing. You know, you want to have time times
away from football. But also you got to know what's
the main goal is to prepare yourself for the season
during the off season. So that's the biggest thing. You know,
I just you know, eliminate all distracts. Actually, you know, schedule,
schedule my workouts and schedule the time that I have
for my family or for the time I want to

(21:06):
chill and lay low and does not do anything. So
that's the biggest thing that's having to schedule and make sure,
like you know, I still get at working.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
When you look back at last year obviously, career high
ninety catches, twelve hundred and twenty nine yards, career high,
go the Pro Bowl, all of it, what did you
like about what you did that year? And what did
you nitpick to say? I still want to get higher,
do better that you want to do it kind of
work on this offseason coming into this season.

Speaker 10 (21:30):
Yeah, I mean what I what I want to work on,
you know, I want to mind and minds little drops,
you know, less drops. That's one of the biggest things
that I feel out I need to work on. Other
than that, you know, I just want to be better,
better than I was last year. You know, I'm gonna
just keep working and keep getting open for the quarterbacks,
you know, and focus on the lead little details when

(21:51):
it comes to that.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
One of those little details, it's a big one is leadership, Right,
anything about the room that you came into last year
versus the room you're in now with the end QUI
leader in that room and one of the leaders on
that offense, is that something you thought about this offseason
and how do you how will you change in terms
of your persona if at all based on what I
think would be most of the organization to look at

(22:13):
you and go, yeah, that's one of our leaders.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah. The biggest thing, I'm gonna just keep doing me.

Speaker 10 (22:17):
You know, I'm of a guy that leads by example
about going out there practicing hard each and every day.
You know, I feel like once guys see that, they
probably respect you more and than just talking about it
and raising you not necessarily raising your voice, but like
saying something you can't. You can't be a leader and
just say do this and do that and look at
this and look at that without going out there and

(22:37):
putting in the work. So my biggest thing is just
really just focus on putting in the work, and you know,
everybody follows from there.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
When you have a situation like the brownsav right now,
whereas it appears to be a four quarterback competition to
be the starter, obviously you've got some guys who started
in the league. Joe Flako has been around for a
long I'm sure a guy used to watch play in
the league with the Baltimore Ravens, Kenny Peckett, Dylan Shouldure
as a receiver, you know, getting on that same page,
being able to have them throw the ball before you're

(23:04):
out of your brakes. All of that that takes time,
That takes reps. How are you guys kind of balancing
from your room's perspective the fact that at least for
a little while, it probably isn't gonna be just one
guy all the time getting all the reps.

Speaker 10 (23:17):
I'm thinking the biggest this I feel like, really, you know,
you can't really focus too much on what quarterback is
back there. And you know, even though it's good to
have consistent play with the quarterback you want to that
you're gonna be out there on Sunday with, but you did,
just focus on your job, man, and just run routes
how you know how to run routs and just get
open how you usually get open, you know, and eventually

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the ball gonna come to you and you're gonna make
the play that you need to make as long as
you do your job correctly real quick.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Did last year kind of and I know it's in Denver.
You had sometimes where it was changing up, but last year,
you had multiple quarterbacks throwing you ball. Does that kind
of make this seem less daunting than it would have
if you were somebody that had played with just one
guy year after year.

Speaker 10 (23:58):
Yeah, that pretty sums up my whole career, different quarterbacks
since I got into the league, you know.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
So there's nothing new for me.

Speaker 10 (24:06):
You know, Like I said, I'm just gonna still be
out there and just doing what I do best, and
that's what get open to make the.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Job for whoever out there, they're always a quarterback, always open.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Is there a common thread in the in the quarterback
competitions that you've been a part of as a receiver,
and of course you have a front row seat.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
To it being a receiver.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is there a common thread in terms of one thing
you hear coaches say a lot is like you can't
fool the room, that the room will tell you who
the quarterback is, that type of stuff. Is there any
any any things, any commonalities in your experience when it
comes to a quarterback competition.

Speaker 10 (24:38):
As far as you know, you get I mean, you
get you get rest with a certain quarterbacks, but the
end of the day, I still I still you still
won't know who's the starting quarterback until that very first game,
who who.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Who leads us off? But you know.

Speaker 10 (24:55):
It's hard ready to tell, you know, I just you know,
like I said, do my part and just see what
goes from.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Is there a difference?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Have you seen guys who at certain times, certain times
there's practice players who thrive there, but then games maybe
the lights are a little bit too bright. And this
is at all sorts of levels and I'm not suggesting
of our guys are, but just you've got two you've
got two joint practices set, You've got three preseason games
and obviously you probably won't play deep into any of them.
But nevertheless, those every single rep for those guys is.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Going to be watched by everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
You guys, everybody like it's it's a pretty wild thing
to think about the fact you have four quarterbacks down
there who all of them feel like maybe they could
do it, and every single rep is gonna matter.

Speaker 10 (25:34):
Uh Yeah, that's that's what I'm kind of glad that
thankful for because we got four great quarterbacks that have
been doing tremendous job throughout the off season and throughout
Ota that really been putting into word too, and they'd
been competing against each other, you know, to bring out
the best out of one one another, you know, and
they have been doing a great job of that, and

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you know, you know, that's all you can add for
a four. There's nobody that's being low or looking at
the depth chart or like feeling sorry for theirself. You know,
everybody just coming out there to compete and work to
get better.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Speaking of competition, you get great competition in practice.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
When you think.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
About Denzel Ward and you had that obviously in Denver
as well with PS two. How much does that help you?
And how much do you help them? And that iron
sharpening iron? How much is that fun? Those one on
ones and seeing how that kind of plays out?

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, it's always fun, you know.

Speaker 10 (26:25):
Like I say, you know, you faced those guys in
practice each and every day. So what makes the games
a lot more easier? Yeah, you know, going against guys
like Pasture a Team Denzil World, those guys are at
the top of the game.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
You're not gonna face nothing better than that.

Speaker 10 (26:37):
So, you know, being able to have those two guys
in practice each and every day just gonna make the
games a lot more simpler and a lot less difficult.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
So you know, I enjoy having them on my squad.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Now that you've had a little time for you've done
some traveling and you went to Paris, had a great
time there After that Denver game, we didn't win the game,
so that was and you had said that was all
the matter, But now that that season is over, it
is washed was that. Could you have imagined a return
quite that good to Denver? Because I know that had
to be somewhat personal for you to go in there
and put that game on national television and just go bonkers.

Speaker 10 (27:12):
Yeah, I mean it do me a lot, you know,
just being able to have one bigger game I had
ever in my career against my former team. You know
that that meant a lot to me. You know, it
would have been better with the win, of.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Course, of course, but thirty five yards tho, it's nothing
to say nothing to.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
That, o course.

Speaker 10 (27:32):
You know, I'm just thinkingful to you know, Coach Stefanski,
and you know, just putting them in the right position
to be able to perform the way I did. And
Jamison the offense is doing a great job, but just
executing the plays for me to do my job.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
So yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
May have retired a cornerback in that game.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
That's my boy too. We would I have been with
each other. So I'm like, damn, I ain't mean to do.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
You like that, but I had to. But yeah, yeah,
you kind of get to you feel it at time.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Maybe you're just scratching the surface now on what you're
capable of that this is kind of what you envisioned
yourself to be as a pro.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
Yeah, I mean I I I I knew the type
of plot was since they wanted to enter in the league.
I just needed that that opportunity to be really showcase
that that consistency, you know. The beginning of my career
debt with some injury, definitely different quarterback, different officive coordinators,
you know, And now that I'm here now.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
That cold finally showcase what I'm about.

Speaker 7 (28:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
It's a great feeling.

Speaker 10 (28:28):
And just having the season that I had last year
really just boost my confidence and knowing like exactly what
the year is gonna be this year, and knowing how
I'm being used, knowing that I'm gonna be that number
one guy to be able to perform like like the
number one should be able to perform, Knowing that I'm
gonna get the ball.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
You know.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
It's just it's a big difference going into season knowing
that you're you're that guy to get the ball.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Here's one thing, I'm gonna just throw it. Because I
talked about this before going into last year.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
If you look at yards per target, that's something I
like to look at when I really evaluate wide receivers.
Your yards per target last year was right where your
career yards per target is. You got one hundred and
forty five targets ester. You just got the opportunity to
be great and you're when you're eight and a half above,
you're an elite wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
It's opportunity.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
You needed opportunity, you got it, and then you said,
this is what I can do, and that's gotta be
nice because one of the things that I think people
fail or forget sometimes when they're looking at wide receivers,
they just look numbers. You can be open, Okay, the
play calls there, you can be open number one. Does
the quarterback see you? Does he see you and make
an accurate throw?

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Is he protected? You could roast a guy, but if
he's on the ground, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
But when it all comes together and then you do
get those opportunities, that's when you get a chance to
show what you're capable of.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
And I'm looking forward to more than one hundred and forty.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Five targets last year. Give me one seventy game A game,
I'll put it. I'll put see if I can talk
to Tommy and.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Easy rule. Yeah, easy rule, We'll.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Get you out of here on this one, buddy. One
of the things we've heard consistent from players, coaches, everything
is that it's really critical this year to set the
tone right away about the work that's going to get
put in here in the next few weeks.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's a ramp up practice.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
But today at four twenty five, how is that on
your mind to set the tone about what the twenty
twenty five Cleveland Browns are all about?

Speaker 10 (30:20):
Yeah, I mean every time I might at practice, and
you know, I'm out there to set the tone and
show everybody while I'm capable of and what this season's
going to be be light you know. You know, being
out there at practice, you know you got to compete.
You know, you got to bring your best best every day,
you know, And that's that's what I'm about, and that's
what I'm going to do It's great see anybody, Thank you, appreciate.

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Speaker 7 (31:53):
That is strong, Oh.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
The whole holy smokes man.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
So Ti you have to know this that we did
and obviously you know twenty twenty five we did the
quarter century Browns team and then we had we wanted
to add special coach division.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
You're on the side. Oh yeah, you know it, you
know it, you know that work to do. You know appropriate,
it's appropriate. The honor is all ours. You mentioned that
word work.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
One thing we just said Jerry in And one of
the things last thing we talked to coach Tefanski about everybody, uh,
is that that there's a tone change and that this
is going to be about work and it's going to
start here in a couple of hours.

Speaker 11 (32:36):
It's already started. We've been on the field for a
walk through.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
It was good.

Speaker 11 (32:38):
We were moving fast and communicating, and that is our emphasis.
We need to put in the work every opportunity we
get to do anything in this building. When we're at home,
we got to study, we got to go and we've
done a great job of that in the off season.
Almost double the reps linebacker wise. Everybody's working, everybody's learning,
and we're competing to be the best at each and play.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
People like us look at the schedule. Coaches are focused
on the walk through, the practice, all of that, and
you would say that you always have to come out
to a quick start, but when you know that the
season does start with Cincinnati and Baltimore and then we
know what comes after that with the NFC North and
then back to the Steelers. Your first six games, is
there something about that, like there is no rest. You're

(33:22):
starting in the division, those games count double and you're
starting with two of them. So we need to take
advantage of every single second. We have to prepare for
those moments.

Speaker 11 (33:30):
Exactly when we're going through camp. We've got to treat
every day like it is that opportunity because you only
get that one at a time, and it really is
the however you want to say it. Want to know
each day mentality, the scores nothing to nothing. It starts
from the start every day. Last night, coach Schwartz for
Talkston Defense did a great job of telling them, telling
them exactly what's expected each and every day and every

(33:52):
rep we get, every rep is so valuable. And like
you said, as you start going through those I don't
know that order. You'd have to tell me that again.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
I'm thinking about practice in that hour. Yeah, and you're
gidding in my mood and Carson everybody run around.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
So but.

Speaker 11 (34:09):
It's seventeen sprints. We got to be able to play
our best each week and be ready to play our
best each week, and how does that start? The mentality
starts playing your best every day.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
You have kind of a unique situation in your room
this year relative to recent years, where you do have
the veteran in Jordan Hicks there, and then it's gonna
be a lot of people. Of course Devn's been in
the league for a little while, but it's a lot
of young guys where you really don't know what maybe
it's gonna look like. You probably have an idea, Okay,
here's what I think our base is gonna be. Here's
what I think our sub is gonna be. But there's

(34:40):
a lot of opportunity for guys like Carson Sweeshner. You
mentioned my mood, Devin Bush, Jerome Baker knew into the
room this year, Winston Bookie Bookie Watson. I'm sure I'm
even forgetting some people, but your room has is as
open with it. We know about Jeremiah and man, we
hope he can get him back here soon and that
he's doing well. But it's kind of a open for
a lot of reps in which would be an exciting,

(35:02):
aggressive defense at that second level.

Speaker 11 (35:04):
There is great competition in this room. There's guys that
have played a lot in the NFL, have been highly productive,
like Jeral, like Jordan, And the best part is everybody
that's been in a room got to play. Devin played
all three positions, my mood played all three positions. Winston
Reid played. When you just cut his snaps that he played,
he played well. Nate when you watch it, he had

(35:26):
a little bit of a you know, setback body wise
early in preseason, but when you just turn on his plays, Nate.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Will hit you.

Speaker 11 (35:32):
And Nate's had a good offseason, changing his body movement wise,
getting getting even more able to close more space. And
then Easton, who's our undrafted free agent. He loves contact
and he brings it every day. So mentioning them all
the competition's there, you're smiling, I'm smiling.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
I can't.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
I am excited to see them every day. I think
that all these guys need to learn all the spots
and contribute because they can.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
How do you manage a guy like Carson who we
all expect hell to have a very very big role here.
It feels like he had a great summer, but now
we'll see and for sometimes for Rooks, it's drinking out
of a fire hose. How do you handle somebody like
him in this spot.

Speaker 11 (36:13):
Well, Carson's done really well and I mentioned it before
we left for the summer on this point, which is
he The biggest thing with young guys is to whatever
happens on the play before, you got to let it go.
You got to focus and you got to go. And
with Carson, he's smart enough and he feels football well
enough to see and feel things early, okay, like Jeremi

(36:36):
did and many many many others, and Jordan Hicks's young player.
But you got to be able to put that in
the right pocket. It doesn't matter what happened to play before.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
What do you do now?

Speaker 11 (36:46):
And he's done that through the spring, so it needs
to continue that. Whether the call was right wrong, run
to the ball, punch at it, get it on the ground,
go to the next play, and then get in from
the huddle and do it again. And the best ones
that's what they do. He has these trade and he's
got myself and Coach Donna all over about this stuff. Carson,
what hey, hold on, here we go, next line, let's go.

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What you're thinking about, Let's go. And he's really good
at doing that, so that that reset of your mind.
However you want to say, it's starting again. He has
it now, we got to get it and all young
players go through that guy's pure.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Joy, ready to go.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I was like, let's go football time. You'll taste of
Tarbor and you're ready to go.

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Speaker 2 (38:02):
Veteran safety Tyron Matthew as his retirement from the NFL,
The Hunter Badger was a Super Bowl champ, a three
time All Pro, and an All American at LSU. He
was on one of my Heisman ballots. He was a
top three for me at one point. It would have
been his junior year. I want to say that year
they were undefeated, lost, they ended up having to play
Alabama again for the national title. If memory serves that

(38:25):
year and he returned punts, he returned interceptions. He was
just as dominant a defensive player as you'll see in
the in the in the back seven, in.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
The sport, he was an absolute stug.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Can you name, and we have a guest here who
might be also build it. Can you name the Browns
player that was picked. I believe the pick before the
Honey Badger in that draft would be twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You'd been right around there two thousand, Gibe, you can
chime in. I would have been the too. I think
it would have the two thousand and fourteen draft.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Or is it the two I think it's the thirteen
draft because the fourteen drafts Johnny and Justin Gilbert.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Okay, the twelve season, though the twelve season Alabama beat
Notre Dame for the national title. I think the thirteen
season was Alabama over LSU? Or was the eleven season
Alabama over LSU. That's college football, Nate's he's new to
the game, trying it, because that would give you the
draft that Matthew was in.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
If yeah, here it is, Yeah, it's the thirteen. He
was pick number sixty nine. The Cleveland Browns selected a
cornerback from San Diego. State with pick number sixty eight
in that draft. Obviously, Honey Badger's the because remember they
were there were concerns about it, and yeah, I remember
that he ends up going to Arizona where it could
be reunited with Patrick Peterson.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, that was the right place for him. The answer gibbe,
do you have it? I don't.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Oh so Leon McFadden, Me on, Leon, Leon jack Fadden,
Leon McFadden.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So I was also not wrong in that the last
year that he really played at LSU was twenty eleven. Yeah,
he was thrown off the team in twenty twelve, but
he was. He was on the team in eleven when
they lost to Obama in the rematch.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Does he get that was Chud's year?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Right?

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Three time first team All Pro, three time first a Pro.
I was thirteen, Yeah, it was thirteen, Yeah, my first year.
That was I'm pretty sure that draft started with Mingo
had a McFadden, that maybe a Shamarco Thomas.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Is Matthew finished fifth, fifth and the hell.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Proses, what was the question you asked? Who was the
player picked draft ahead of which was Leon Matthew?

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Is that the trade we made with the Steelers? That
was the made a trade with the Steelers that weekend.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I'm pretty sure that was we were gonna that's where
the Steelers got Shamarco Thomas for us in the fourth round,
because when that trade happened, that's right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
We made a trade with our rival. Yeah, spectacular that
turned out one.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's okay, that's who's the market. It's like they get
they got a honey Badger. He's a stud stud. Does
he three time first Team All Pro? Yep? Does he
get Does he get any Canton consideration?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Well, Canton it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Super Bowl Champion, All Decade Team.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Boy, he might, I mean he might be in that.
I mean he's definitely a College Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
All pros, three first Team, three first first teams. How
many Pro Bowls did you say? Also? Only three? Huh?
There was a year where right on the end, there's
a year where he was a first team All Pro
and was not a Pro Bowler in twenty nineteen thirty. Why,
I don't know. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Maybe they were in the Super Bowl. But he's only
thirty three too.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
I mean, he's had at least three picks every year
since twenty nineteen at a career high six and twenty
twenty was the first team All Pro. Very just a
complete player, A very complete player.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, that's that's a year. Man, that's a career, had
an incredible career.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
He's right on it. He's going to be right on it.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Do you think that's sure? He just looks at you know,
Carr retired. This is going to be a rough, rough
year here.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I'm done. I think that's a lot to sign up for. Yeah,
you know, I think it is.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
It was back home for him, but yeah, I mean yeah,
I think that's in play. A couple other things around
the league. Giants said coach Brian Dable named Russell Wilson
the starting quarterback. I didn't realize that that wasn't I
thought that was pretty destined, right, What do we really
need to know.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
That we know that that's redundant?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
It is so Commanders wide receiver Terry McLaurin did not
report to training camp in Washington as he seeks a
new contract. That's an interesting one. There's been rumors about
trades for him really all off season.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
He's still the it would feel like to me.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
The craziest thing with this is, and he's a Buckeye,
you know from the standpoint, but it feels like he's
being compensated fairly. I agreed that he's not Jamar Chase.
He's not twenty six, So like to me, the number
he's ad is a top teen fifteen.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Isn't didn't we do this?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
He was like a top fifteen receiver paid.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
It feels like about what he is. Yeah, I feel
like this is where he should be. He is looking,
in my opinion, he is looking for.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
That one more big payday, and I think he realizes
that every year goes by, he's not going to get it,
so he's trying to force that hand, is my guess.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Okay, that's That's the only thing that I can think of.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
The Raiders are signing veteran safety Jamal Adams, reining, reuniting
him with Pete Carroll. He was shot out of a canon.
Another LSU guy shot out of a cannon, and then
probably will be most remembered.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
For what the Seahawks gave up to get him. It
was a lot. It was a robust amount.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
A couple other things around the league, the Texans place
running back Joe Mixon on the non football injury list
as well. Did you see the back and forth Diana
Russini had it on Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals. Hendrickson
spoke to her exclusively, said he was across the river
from Cincinnati for the last month. They've given him two
offers neither what neither went, neither of which was close

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to not even close where he wanted to be and
guaranteed he talked about wanting to be a captain. He
understood that he was gonna have to make something work
because of where they were as a franchise. According to you,
in his words, it didn't feel like he was trying
to He doesn't need miles money that type of thing.
He just wanted to be compensated fairly.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
He was willing.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
You want to be a captain, he want to mentor
Schmart Stewart, all these things. It's classic negotiating in public
one on one after Mike Brown and Duke Tobin and
Zach did you know their turtle soup presser on Monday?
So you know, it's one of those things where when
you hear this stuff as a Bengals fan, my hunches,
you go, yeah, he's probably right.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Of course, that's that's their reputation.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
That which is pretty wild because like they've compensated richly
Joe T and Jamar So they weren't like they didn't
have to keep t Higgins.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Nope, they don't.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
And that's where that gamble that you make is now
he's younger, he's going to be there for a long time,
and you're here's the thing. I was watching actually, some
quarterbacks this morning given Luca a bottle, and at one point,
I'm pretty sure they said that the Bengals had lost
at least three it may have been four games where
they scored thirty three points last year.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
You could say we're just gonna outscore everybody, but that
didn't even work last year. You needed to keep that
defense was the problem. Yeah, and now you're weakening it
with its best player. They made a change of defensive coordinator, right,
They did lou Ana Roumo out after being two years
ago considered.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Genius Al Golden from Notre Dame.

Speaker 12 (46:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
So it's the way again, the way that they operate
is to me so interesting because this is a team.
I've said again, take the private equity money, take the
ten percent, get liquid and start making doing everything you
can to have this organization capitalize on Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
They are not in the business of getting ahead of anything. No,
and when you do that, they've done this in all
three instances, you end up paying more. Yes, they are
paying probably what six million a year more for Jamar
Chase than they would have paid.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, he's over he's forty two.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Above Miles, so like he went right, but like they
could have done this for him before last year for
probably in the low thirties is probably what they could
have got it on a year.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Did But I mean still right, even mid it's still
six solid role player. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I also think if Jermaine Burton would have been better,
but they had there were always question marks with him
off the field stuff. He was not good last year
and if he were better, maybe they don't have to
keep to Higgins. But also Burrow wanted Higgins and Burton
didn't show them enough.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So that's it.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
And that's why I said what I said yesterday about
shimbar Stewart and Hendrickson with for them, their defense is
going to be bad no matter what they it is
critical that they make one or two game changing plays
a game, and they got to get it from the
defensive ends.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
They got to that's it.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
That's their only path. If they don't create pressure, you're
going to light them up. It's your one chance. And
they have They've invested a first round pick and they
have one of the best pass rushers NFL sack leader. Like,
come on, you're in the window. From their perspective, let's
go get these guys in. For our perspective, take your time,
take as long as you want.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
We don't need it. We're better off without your kids. Yeah,
to say the least.

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Speaker 3 (48:53):
Live in studio.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Last week spoke we were mini king baby. Yeah, what
what was your favorite thing? You did this summer climb
Ount Fuji and you did it?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
I did Yeah, you did it. It was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Was it harrowing at any point?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
No, it's not that bad.

Speaker 13 (49:11):
I don't mean to be like, you know, tough guy dismissive.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
It's like twelve four hundred feet. It's a good hike.

Speaker 13 (49:17):
It's fun times, it's absolutely beautiful. It was stunning, absolutely stunning.
On top, got out there about an hour before the
sun rose, so you see the stars and you see
the sun come up. I was just shown Miles downstairs
some of the photos because you know, he's hiking and
in Japan and he wants to do it.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
It's awesome. Can't recommend it up. Then went to a
sumo tournament. Hold on, hold on, that was great.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
When did you start the hike to get there two
hours before sunset?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Okay? So good questions.

Speaker 13 (49:47):
Japan, the public parks whatever they are trying to discourage
what they call bullet hiking, which is people that want
to get up there for the sunset that maybe go
about ten o'clock at night or just go straight shot
or maybe eight o'clock at night, depending on your fitness level,
and go straight shot all the way up. A lot
of people have gotten injured, a lot of people have
been able to make it. That's a you know, big

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altitude jump from the trailhead going to twelve four. And
so what they now do is you you have to
stay overnight at one of the huts at like nine
ten thousand, eleven thousand feet, and so you need to
go in the day before, so leisurely hike up to
like nine two the day before, get in sleeping bag,
get some to eat, and then to answer your question,

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we left at like twelve thirty from nine thousand feet
and did just three thousand foot push and got up
there like three thirty three fifteen and wait an hour
for the sun to come up.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
It was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
That's awesome, absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 13 (50:42):
Then when Tsumo saw some baseball, had some great meals
and came.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Home, Sumo.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
I sent.

Speaker 13 (50:52):
Was the hallman going nuts about leverage and this guy
I have all these videos to win to show Joe
about uh leverage. And there's the one dude I sent
you is five hundred and sixty nine. She's like the
biggest guy, maybe the fifth biggest guy to ever go sumo,
but he can't move and so a little guy just
got right up under his chin and got him out of.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
The ring and left. It's awesome. I can't recommend it
like a great The tournament's still going. It's a two
week tournament. It's like a Grand Slam Major in tennis.
It goes fourteen days. I went for day one. Greg
ROSWALNFL dot com. He was over there too.

Speaker 13 (51:24):
We we we scalped some tickets and sat there for
ten hours of sumo, got some hours of sumo, Yaki
soba and a couple of beers, and it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
What does a sumo ticket go for? Okay, so good question.

Speaker 13 (51:37):
You're really not allowed to scalp them and you can't
get them on there. There are no online tickets. It's
all paper ticketing. So people line up to get them
when they go on sale, like two weeks before the tournament.
Or a month before the tournament, and they go for
four thousand, which is twenty eight bucksky. We paid a lot, lot, lot,
lot lot more than that on the secondary market. And

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then we had to get them sent to a Japanese
address because they weren't going to By the time they
would get shipped to the States, we'd be already over there.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
So it was it was a lot of proper to
get in.

Speaker 13 (52:09):
And then when you're going up there, we're handing the
ticket over going oh my god, like, I hope this
works right, and I hope they haven't. They haven't flagged
these tickets as being sold on the secondary market. And
but they got in, got it, handed us the program
and the lineup for the day, and staid have fun.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
So is this okay? I have a few questions? Yeah,
go So it's a two week tournament? Is this two week?
Is this the tournament? So there's like three all the
major This is.

Speaker 13 (52:38):
The massive Midsummer Tournament. It's in Nagoya. It used to
be in the sweaty old gym where everyone had their
fans and their waters, and now this was the first
event in a brand new arena in Nagoya, and it
is on all day on NHK like wall to wall coverage.
It is a massive deal. This is like a major So.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
The winner is yeah, okay, and it's a two week
Is it just a bracket? It's a great question.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (53:09):
I don't fully understand it the way I was told
or what I understand it is. It's a round robin, okay,
and so like you lose day three, No big deal, right,
it's all it's cutulative and at the end of the week.
I don't know if they pare people off and then
the two weeks at the end of the fortnite and
then they just get down to the you know, the
yokazuna's with the best record. I'm not certain, but I'm

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following down on Instagram and my ig feed right now
is a lot.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Of thing is nothing but sumo and it's awesome. Final question.

Speaker 13 (53:42):
I people here in this building, by the way, when
I told them during mini camp that I'm going, like
people in the scouting department going, oh my god, we
totally want to do that, Like we've pitched this idea.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's like we want to go scout sumo. Yeah, yeah,
that is a good idea. It is a good idea
is gambling allowed. So that's a great question. I don't know.
I don't like I could just see because pretty I
didn't see that. We did not have the best of seats.

Speaker 13 (54:08):
We were not down on the on on the floor,
on the mats, we were a little bit higher up
at the grandstands.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I don't see. Or some of them can go two seconds,
some of them can go.

Speaker 13 (54:17):
A minute, right, like if it goes a minute, or
if it goes thirty seconds, and there's like a standoff
in the middle of the ring, like the crowd starts
chanting like now, okay, this is this is something here.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
It's a standoff.

Speaker 13 (54:30):
But the way you see guys thrown out the club,
like I'm happy I'm not sitting down there on the
floor because you're like literally four hundred pound dudes are
getting thrown out of the ring and then you fall
downhill onto the judges and everyone, or people in the
most expensive seats.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Right on the floor, like people get steamrolls. Like going
to a Gallagher show back in the day, you know,
at the front row, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
In my head as you're talking about the gambling, all
I can think of is little Jerry Seinfeld and Marceline
with the roosters.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
It's like that type of wagering. Yeah, people doing it.
I mean I feel like if I was there, that's
what I want.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
This guy.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, I got this guy. Yeah, best meal you had?
And where did you have it?

Speaker 7 (55:14):
What was it?

Speaker 14 (55:14):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
There are three in Tokyo.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
One with sushi diet at the fish market where you
get there like five am and line up and get
a number.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
That was like a seventy five dollars a makas.

Speaker 13 (55:25):
That was ridiculous because that fish just came out of
the water a couple of hours earlier. I got another,
like a Michelin star sushi meal that was far more
for at a place called Sushi Masahi, and then went
to a yaki to you guys, Yacku tory fans, you know, sewers.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Charcoal, skewers of meat. Okay, so you can get a lot.

Speaker 13 (55:44):
You can get amazing yaku tory for like a dollar
skewer in Alley's and Mom and Pops amazing food at
some of that, but also went to a really nice
place where it was makas like you guys know, chef's choice,
like the chef brings you what he has where it's
a old chicken o macasse basically, so this is the shoulder,
this is the neck, this is the liver, this is

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the heart, this is there's you know, there are the heart.

Speaker 7 (56:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (56:09):
I mean you've had beef heart before, right, you've never
had beef heart. I don't know, you've never had like
it like in South America. And and akucho a beef
chart a beef heart on a skewer.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
It's so new.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, I thought you'd be the big oval guy. You'd
be miss everything everything in the cab. That's like my
pink yeah, sweet breas so yeah.

Speaker 13 (56:30):
Yeahat tongue tripe trip, I'm not a I'm not a
tripe guy.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
It looks like a net, not not a bubblegum net.

Speaker 13 (56:37):
Those three meals were ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Yeah, and here we are. There we are back happy football.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
The Great Zago wants a cariboo, a beating cariboo heart
when he was with the in a Eskimos, but then
the honor that that was a big honor. But then
they wanted him to eat like the raw caribou leg
like and that was like an ultimate honor, like too.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Much, my cousin Nathan used to do that when you
go deer hunting, like he would do the hard thing.

Speaker 7 (57:02):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
It's a choice.

Speaker 7 (57:04):
It's a choice.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
It was like, it's Indiana Jones or.

Speaker 13 (57:07):
I will pretty much try anything. I don't know that
I would go beating heart.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
It's a choice. It's a choice.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, saying all right, we're gonna we're gonna have a
practice this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
I'm excited. Then it's football. I'm excited. I was that
count position huge, beat Big Bees or any where we
want to go. We're gonna do our ten.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Things that we ten guys will give us the most
important coaches players list. Yeah, we've got a list. Well,
before we do that, Before we do that, because so
we'll take a break and then we'll do that. If
that's okay with the head Han show. But this is
the premise that I wanted. This is the kind of
the thing I want to flesh out before we do
the list. How do you define a successful season for

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the twenty twenty five Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 13 (57:48):
I know you guys haven't played Miles yet, but Miles
downstairs just said the expectation is to go to the
super Bowl. That's the expectation every year, and my expectation
is defensive player of the Year. Again, I second that emotion.
I'm also pragmatic and realistic.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Right, that does not seem to be the consensus.

Speaker 13 (58:08):
I would love to see a twenty twenty three kind
of run where the defense gets its swag back.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yep, the offense controls the football.

Speaker 13 (58:18):
Joel Buttonio just said, this offense is in old Lineman's dream,
his words, old Lineman's dream. So look, hope springs eternal
or Summer's eternal.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Whatever. Now, I would love to see the defense.

Speaker 13 (58:35):
We talked about the Bengals before, Right, the thought in
Cincinnati is if we could get just middle of the
pack defense, they're great. The Browns don't have to get
back to number one overall, although it would be nice
you get back Sniff in the top ten or into
the top ten. This team is going to be fun,
it's going to be competitive, and I think they're in
the conversation in December.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I'm also at look.

Speaker 13 (58:58):
I know that the first six weeks are against teams
that are a collective seventy one and thirty one a
year ago. That's right, seventy one and thirty one. That's
that's ridiculous. But the whole AFC North plays the same schedule. Friends,
All right, get over it.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
It's what it is.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Get through it. And I'm excited. It is day one.
I am happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
See, how do you define it? Well, we'll have a
better I should have interrupted you, right, So I asked
you the question. I was just to say, you can
do whatever you want well, and I don't like to
When we get to right that week before the season,
then I think we'll have that conversation of Okay, how
are we judging them? Because we got six weeks of
camp and that will change things a lot. But as
the onset, success is what.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
As I sit here right now knowing what I know,
success to me looks like we are ascending at the
end of the season, that we have a definitive answer
on hopefully a quarterback that is currently here to say yes,
this is our guy, and that would be to me,

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those two things alone would make this a huge success.

Speaker 13 (01:00:07):
Imagine figuring out your quarterback situation long term this year
and having two first round picks next year.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Well, my dream scenario is because I feel like if
we figure out our quarterback situation, we're gonna win some
games that we figure out that quarterback situation, we say
we've got the guy, whether that is Kenny Pickett, whether
that is Shador Sanders, whether it is Dylan Gabriel, this
is the guy. We feel very comfortable with it. Somehow
we end up with the number one pick, that's the
Jags number one pick. We trade that for three number

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ones and now we have seven number ones over the
next three years to like build this team as we
get ready to move into the enclosed Huntington Bankfield.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
That would be amazing.

Speaker 13 (01:00:44):
But the long term answer, which you under your scenario
we would have found this year, has to be a
knockout at that point because otherwise you're gonna because the
picks at number one at quarterback, like I'll go back
to the Rams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I always go back to the Rams. It's my weakness.

Speaker 13 (01:01:00):
They will tell you, maybe privately and not publicly, that
in twenty twelve, you know, they got the second overall pick,
not number one, and they traded out they had RG three.
The commanders went up, Redskins went up. But if they
had one and they had Sam Bradford their year three
at that point, Sam was fine. If they had one,
they were gonna take Andrew Luck Yeah, because they had

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that right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
And so my point is it's got to.

Speaker 13 (01:01:24):
Be a knockout the answer this year, because if you
somehow get one next year, whether it's Tennessee or South
Carolina or I'm sorry, Texas or South Carolina, one of
those two, it's gonna be hard to pass up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
If it's Texas, he comes out, then they'll take them
different and no one would be able to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Keep an eye on South Carolina. He's pretty erratic.

Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
It's pretty erratic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Call me in four months. I will, I will, I will.
You won't even. Here's what it is for me. Yeah,
well I'll see it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
This is how I would define it. And this is
really the only thing that I mean. This is this
is a guy hosting a radio show. I just want
no ambiguity at quarterback exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
No, no, no, But I'm even if it isn't, even
if one of them isn't it definitively no, they're not. No,
which is why wouldn't we tell you no doubt, either
you have the quarterback or you don't, and then we
can attack it however we want.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
That's what I want to know coming out of this year.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Again, this is all up for how people perform over
the next month or so leading into this season. But
I have seen it this way all season, and that is,
like I believe right now, Kenny Pickett is the leader
to start Week one. He is going to get a
certain period of time I believe to keep that job.
It would make sense, given the order of the draft,

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that perhaps Dylan Gabriel would then get the next opportunity,
and he's gonna get every opportunity to make sure there
isn't a third and then Shador. I think it would
get an opportunity if things go that way. But you
need to have right those answers. I mean, Chicago, if
they had to do it over again, would they have
just taken Seed j Stroud or Bryce Young or would

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they have made the deal that they made that I
think has put them in position now to be where
they are Because when you do make a trade like that,
let's just say that you feel really good about Chador,
Dylan or Kenny. It isn't an arch manning situation. Most
people think that he's going to two years at Texas,
that you that pick could be the number one pick again,

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they're going to give up a lot of assets to
come and get a quarterback that isn't a great team.

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
And that's how Chicago I think, has put themselves in
what is a very difficult division for them. But why
I feel like that is a loaded roster because they
were able to do that then still get Caleb Williams
the year later.

Speaker 13 (01:03:38):
Yeah, No, I think they would have it exactly as
it is, or would they have taken Jayden at one?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Well, that's that's another different parts, a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, but either way, like they got their pick of
the litterate quarterback, got the correct the roster.

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Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
You want to start at number ten? Or should we
go one, one and then up?

Speaker 12 (01:05:15):
Or what?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I think our ones are all going to be the same.
I think the ones are all the same, Probably wouldn't
be same, But you want to start at ten, So
I'm gonna be candid with you, guys. I felt pretty
good about like my one and two I feel very
strongly about and then three through ten I could kind
of throw in a blender in whatever they come out.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
I could deal with. I think they're all critical. I'm
pretty sure that I'm going to get yelled at for
violating the rules of this. But I felt like, how
would that be different?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Guess we all made our own How would that be different?
Would it be different? It would be given a task,
all right? Yeah, so the rules on the task get
yelled at by the hancho. Yeah, rinse and repeat, Number ten,
go ahead, number ten, Number ten.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Ronnie Hickman stepping into that free safety role alongside Grant Delpit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
We need a playmaker. I'm comparing notes here. Yeah, we're
quite similar. We're similar so far, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
Yeah, Ronnie Hickman gets number ten for me, and really
it ultimately is going to be Ronnie Hickman plus whomever
ends up being in our big Nickel, Big dime the
third safety. But safety is outside of Grant Delpot. But
I think Hickman's gonna start at free safety. So I'd
love to see a playmaker there. Remember when on the
night that we clinched the playoffs against the Jets, and
it was Ronnie Hickman picked six that really got that

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thing going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
That's what we need, we need.

Speaker 13 (01:06:33):
Takeaway, mister Siciliana, My Number ten is Dustin Hopkins, padding
down from ten to one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Dustin Hopkins missed two thirds of I'm sorry, one.

Speaker 13 (01:06:46):
Third of his kicks last year. He hit two thirds
of his kicks, and listen two years ago. He's a
huge reason why this team did make the playoffs last year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
He is not the reason they did not make the postseason.

Speaker 13 (01:06:58):
But if they are going to stay competitive, they're gonna
play some close games this year. They're three and one
a year ago and he scored eighteen or more points. Yeah,
the eighteen's the magic number.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Three and one you need. You need to make some
fifty yarders.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
By the way, the fact that that happened four times
last year is very sad because I was telling you
guys earlier, I was watching quarterbacks and they were leading
up to the It was the Bills Lions game in December,
and the Bills going into that game had scored thirty
three and eight straight and then scored beat the Lions
forty eight to forty two in that game.

Speaker 13 (01:07:31):
Here it is the Browns were three and one when
scoring eighteen or more points and oh to thirteen when
scoring fewer than eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
So I had d hot number eight on my list, So.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I'm not gonna spoil, but he's on my list.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, but I don't just so I'm not repetitive when
we when we get to number eight, because I don't
need to repeat all the things you said again. From
really three to ten, you could throw them all in,
and I went number ten. I went Tommy Reese because
this could be coaches or players. I think Tommy in
charge of that room and the offense, and especially the
two really young quarter the two rookie quarterbacks. Obviously this

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would be Kevin's offense and all of that. But Tommy
is perfect for this job with these two young guys.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
So I had him on the list. He made honorable
mention for me, Number eight, Number nine for you. Nine.
Number nine is Dewand Jones. I love Dowan.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
I think he's got pro Bowl talent. I love him
as a human, I love him as a tackle. I
want to see him stay healthy in play seventeen games,
and if he does so, I think we're going to
be much better off for it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
So I have him number two. To me, he was
the definitive number two. Do we want to reveal all
that now? I think for time?

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
So then I had d Hop. I had d Hop fourth.

Speaker 13 (01:08:45):
Okay, Okay, for the record, I and maybe I should
have said this earlier. I took head coach and quarterback
out of this because I think those are given. I
think they differ numbers. Okay, I have Ronnie Hickman number nine. Okay,
we're of like mine there. I have Duan Jones number one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Under that rule, under my rule.

Speaker 13 (01:09:05):
Which I made up, no coach, no head coach, no quarterback,
I have Duan Jones number one. I echo everything you
just said about Dwan as a person and as a player.
Let's not forget here that this is a big experiment.
He didn't have a lot of time at left tackle
last year before he got hurt in New Orleans, and
that was heartbreaking to see. We could kind of see
it because we were so high in New Orleans that

(01:09:27):
we were basically above the roof.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yes we were. But remember Dewan only had the one
game at Ohio State at left tackle.

Speaker 13 (01:09:32):
He has expressed understandable reservation about going there full time.
It's one thing to have him say healthy, it is
another thing to actually really play well. I believe he can,
but you know, cross your fingers. I am optimistic but
we talked about the quarterback success. Dewan Jones success at
left tackle will play a role in that quarterback six.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And the reason I have it so high is because
if he's great, you don't have to worry about it
next year in a draft that's really good with it.
Absolutely so, I that would be a lottery ticket if
he and Day is all right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Number eight.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
See another one of my favorites, mj Emerson. Well look
at that mj Emerson. I really think he can be
one of the top cornerbacks in this league. I think
we've seen it twenty nine passes defense in his first
two years. Last year he said it on this program
to us. I know it was not the season that
he wanted.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
He has been so focused on getting back to being
the player that he was And if so, I think it.
You know, he to me is the one guy who
can be an heir apparent to Denzel Ward and play
with him and keep that secondary you know, so good
for so long. So I think it's a big season
for mj.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
I have made eight.

Speaker 13 (01:10:39):
Miles mentioned him earlier today when he was asked about
the defense overall and who he's looking forward to seeing
this year camp obviously the opening to that, and he
mentioned MJ getting back to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
The player he know, he knows he can be from
twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
How which Schwartz here? Okay, good, it's got so much
invested in the defense. Defense got to be great. I
had Schwartz number eight on my list, number seven, number.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Seven, Carson Swessinger.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
I just think with Joka out with really, you know,
Hicks is really the only guy that's done it at
a high level for a long time the league. In
that room, John Baker's obviously been in the league for
a while and been very good. But you drafted them
thirty third overall, you lose j Okay. You need him
to be an immediate impact player.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
Yep, I have him at six. I have him at
six as well.

Speaker 13 (01:11:28):
Okay, I have Alex right at seven. Figure out the
other defensive end. Whether it's Alex Wright, or whether it's Maguire,
or whether it's just and Schoyanka, whomver it is, whether
it's a combination of those three, it doesn't matter. I
know that Alex Reich go back to Week two with
the safety in Jacksonville to help win that game, and
I know he was playing hurt even at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Yep, if Alex Wright.

Speaker 13 (01:11:51):
Can be the guy that I think a lot of
people think he can be, and Miles said earlier today
as well, like Jacquesazaire has said that other that other
spot is wide open.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Let's go somebody go win it. Like to see Howlex Wright.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
Go win it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I had Harold Fan and Junior at number seven. Nice,
I think we gotta have weapons. I am very curious,
and I have more in than what the receiver room
coming up, but I'm very curious where the weapons are
going to come from. I think he's got to be
really good. I think he's got to be a matchup
problem and he's got to be a weapon. I think
he's kind of critical to success. So I'm gonna go
Fan and at seven.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
Honorable mention for me was initially number four on my list,
but then I had to flop things around as I
was going.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
So you're six, You're sick.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Number six, Mason Graham and my call, and I put
them together as one person. Mason Holler, Mike Graham, Okay,
because the investment that was made in the interior of
that defensive line is substantial. It was your first draft
pick last year, was your first draft pick this year.
These guys have got to be dudes. And Mason Graham
in particular, I think my call is a first round talent.

(01:12:52):
We know why he went in the second round. We
need to get him back on the field. But these
guys both need to be game wreckers. I mean, Mason
Graham needs to be. When you draft a defensive tackle
fifth overall, this has to be somebody who's north of
seven sacks. Jalen Carter, You've got to be a difference maker.
Those two guys, and if those guys are that, this
defensive front is going to be a nightmare.

Speaker 13 (01:13:12):
Yeah, I had him five, I had Mason, I got
Sweassenger six. We're on the same page.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Yeah, right, Did you have Graham on your list? You
know what I Graham? You mean Mason Graham. I was gonna.
I was thinking Tommy Graham, No, Eddy Graham. I actually
did not. He should be on the list.

Speaker 13 (01:13:31):
I threw this together during the pressers. He is not
on my list, but he could and should be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
On the list. Number five, doctor Z Number five. I'm
just gonna call it the running back room.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
Obviously, we don't want to get into specifics due to
what's going on off the field there. But this team
coming out of this draft was to have gotten back
to its identity, which is why I moved.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Bloomgren to honorable mention. But that is running the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
And Kevisfanski said that he and Mike Bloomgrin see the
run game the exact same way. It's probably very similar
to how Bill Callahan saw the run game. The lineman
love him. You talked about that earlier. We need to
be able to run the ball, and it's going to
have to obviously come from that room. We don't know
today as we sit here what that room is going
to look like, but at full strength, it had to
be a backbone of this offense.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
All right.

Speaker 13 (01:14:15):
So that's five of lungern five run running Okay, running
back room. Okay, I have Tommy Reese five.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Tommy, Yeah, I had the I had the this is
how I phrased it. One of these running backs needs
to be a dude, so I have it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
That was three for me. I have Dylan Samson at three. Okay,
so that's similar.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
So yeah, yeah, so that's similar. So we're going in
a similar vein there with that. At number five, I
had Mason Graham, So there you go, all right, and
you had d Hop at number four, correct, So we
go to four for mister Sicilian.

Speaker 13 (01:14:53):
I go said for Tillman at four, somebody's got to
be the two. Someone's got to be the three. I
would love, said Ric Tillman.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
To be the two.

Speaker 13 (01:15:00):
I would love to see the magic that we saw
beginning with week seven and really week eight obviously with
the Jamis win over the Ravens helped from above.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I know that it is there in Cedric Tillman.

Speaker 13 (01:15:16):
Need to see it, need to see it consistently, you guys,
said Jerry Judy in her earlier He needs a wingman
or men, and I think Cedric can be that guy,
but you have to see it, and you have to
see it consistently.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I had him four as well. I had Cedric four
as well. I think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
We need to see he's got to play. He's got
to be who he was drafted to be, and he's
got to play and we need him to, We really
need him to. So I had him four as well.
Was he in your top four?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
And I have the third?

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
I have Tilman and Deontay Johnson, And to me, it
means it's what you guys, said, and I added Deontay
because the guy was a Pro Bowlers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Guy's got a thousand yard season under his belt. Yep,
you can go to thirty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
He was the leading receiver in Caroline at the time
that that relationship ended. We need him to be one
of those guys. Has to be a real number two.
It'd be better if both of them are playing.

Speaker 7 (01:16:06):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I mean, let's call it like it is.

Speaker 13 (01:16:09):
We need him to be the guy that doesn't well
on the field, yes, but you need him to be
the guy where the organization doesn't go.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
We're good. Yes, it's going to be a pro We're
good all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, because when you and if you're sensing a common
theme here, and these are all I mean, you had
Duwan number one, I had him number two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
We're doing Tillman, We've done.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
The receivers, We're all in the top this top five
questions for successful season. It's all offense. And we haven't
even done quarterback edge Whi's going to be one for us?
And the reality is that that even if you land
the quarterback, there are a lot of question marks on
this offense in terms of where the production is going
to come from. Yep, we don't know where it's going
to come from. In the backfield. We know Chief is proven,

(01:16:53):
you know Judy is proven. But typically in the NFL
you need three or four proven targets that you can
throw to that you feel good about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
And we're not there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
So that's that's where that's where this is going to
be critical over the next five to six weeks.

Speaker 13 (01:17:06):
Hey, I went down to Luke Florida YouTube rabbit hole
last night.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
I'm excited. See you know what, You're ready for camp?

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I'm ready, all right, number two doctor Z.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
So you know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
I just said the defense, this defense needs to go
back to being a top five defense. That's everybody that's
the unit of the defense needs to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yeah, and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
This really needs to be a top five defense.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
If this is, and it should be based on what's
been spent on it, it should be a game wrecking
not just monetarily but but and there's been plenty of
monetary spend but also draft capital. I mean, your first
two Pixar defensive players.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
On the field for seventy plays a game though. No, yeah,
you got to it all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
But it has to start there. I mean, whatever success
we have, it's going to start with can we get
people off the field?

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Can we?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
And it's also has to be a game wrecking defense
and a playmaking defense. We need change of possession, we
need turnovers, all of those things.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Four picks aren't good enough. No, no, no, sorry.

Speaker 13 (01:18:13):
My number two is Mike Bloomgren, who we had a
chance to talk to at the end of mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:18:21):
I mean could have talked to him for another hour
only game we got ten minutes. The old line loves him,
as Nathan You've said multiple times, I think that matters.
I think it matters a lot. And if they're going
to get back to running the football, the old line's
got to stay healthy, obviously, but he brings an attitude
back to that room that it badly missed a year ago.

(01:18:45):
So whether it's schematically or attitude wise, I am bullish
on the run game and the old line room. And
I'm putting Bloomgren at number two.

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
Like it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
I had Dwanda too on mine, and you had Schwartz
number one. Number one pick. Gabriel Shador, give me an answer, Flacco.
Is that the answer, Flecco? Not long term? Long term answer,
but you'll only picked three, So I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I even went even I even got it even more
narrow than that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Two rookies. That's that's you got to figure out. You
cant figure out one or both by the end of
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Even obviously, even even if Kenny is great, can could
we do it Darnald deal? If we wanted him to
be the long term guy? It would take some work.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
You could always do the deal.

Speaker 13 (01:19:33):
But but organizationally, if you go ninety four and one
four quarterback and then at the end of the next
season not have any idea either of them can play,
then where are you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Well, that's my point. So it's like Pickett.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
Pickett's base case scenario I believe is that obviously becomes
a guy and maybe you work it out, or more
likely it would be very difficult for you to commensate him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Then he met to a third round pick, right right,
So I went number one. I went Gabriel Sanders or.

Speaker 13 (01:19:57):
You you trade him in the end of camp if
one of the other guys just is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
I think you cap if you're ready for all of
these rookies to start.

Speaker 13 (01:20:07):
Only if yes, yeah, and you also don't know the
other injuries around the league, I'll tell you right now,
and I don't know if they.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
I would think people would be calling for Flacko. I
call for Jamis honestly because and bring him back here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
No no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
What I'm saying is Russell is clearly number one.

Speaker 13 (01:20:24):
But Jackson Dart, even though he got picked today in
eleven out eleven and Twitter is going nuts, Jackson Dart
will eventually and their first six weeks are as bad
as ours. Right, Jackson Dart eventually takes over. You don't
need Jamis? Well, that was a totally unnecessary signing. Jamis
will be traded. The question in my eyes is when.
So if you're looking at the veteran quarterback mark at
the end of camp or at the beginning of the season. Obviously,

(01:20:47):
Tennessee just lost a quarterback in New Orleans. I feel like,
you know Tennessee, Tennessee will roll with Brandon Allen.

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
They don't need anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I think that's me. But anyway, I want to see
the two young guys.

Speaker 13 (01:21:00):
Yes, and your number one is clearly My number one
was to one, but I took coach in qb aut
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
There you go ware, we go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Here is Miles Garrett at the podium.

Speaker 12 (01:21:38):
Well, what do you think of the mood of the
team is since you guys are pat through thank guy's
looking forward to get on the field, prove themselves and uh,
I just you know, getting better each and every day.

Speaker 15 (01:21:51):
What did you how do you enter your nine? So
how do you enter the camp with expectations for yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
And this team?

Speaker 9 (01:21:59):
Expectations a high than ever. You know, I expect to
you know, bounce back from last year myself and and
uh you know, defensively and as a team. So you know,
the the standard doesn't change or at least it done lower.
It just it just uh raises them proves you know,
I think you know, we have guys who are are
older you know understand, you know, both sides of the
good coin. Know, come from a really good season, come

(01:22:20):
from really bad season. They can happen just like that.
So you've you've got to you know, take that into
account every every single day when you're training and and
uh getting to know your guys. You know, you know, uh,
the margin for this game are very thin.

Speaker 14 (01:22:31):
What else ever year you talked about like raising for
your taking it to that next level, even with the
Defensive Player of the Year in the trophy cage, all
the accolades and all the records, You've already a massed
at disappoint in your career too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
So did you come into this season, have you.

Speaker 14 (01:22:49):
Uh pinpointed in what the level beyond that.

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
Is and how do you get there?

Speaker 9 (01:22:55):
I mean, I expect to get to the Super Bowl.
Uh that's our expectation every year. And I expect to
to run back the Defensive Player of the Year. So,
you know, keeping both both those things in mind, have
to be the very best player I can be every
single day, whether we're we're practicing or playing. Uh, sooner
step f step from the building, I have to be
uh best version of myself and the best leader that
can possibly we else.

Speaker 14 (01:23:15):
I know every year it seems like you talk about
a different theme or focus for your off season, and
you had to define that this year.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
What what do you think it was?

Speaker 9 (01:23:24):
Up? M letting my InterVoice out and everything that you
know I try to keep in and uh you know,
uh my inner monologue. How I you know, go out
th throughout the day, know, think about things, or just
letting no people hear that. You do hear my thoughts
and allow that to to speak volumes and uh and guys,
really you know, grab hold it and uh be able

(01:23:46):
to take it and and uh inspire them, motivate them,
and so we can we can improve.

Speaker 7 (01:23:50):
No, not not just keeping that to myself anymore?

Speaker 15 (01:23:53):
How about is there you guys are such a good
defense get twenty three?

Speaker 7 (01:23:59):
Is there's some guy up?

Speaker 14 (01:24:00):
Maybe you just rolled out expected that last year.

Speaker 15 (01:24:04):
And it didn't have or how would you explain that?

Speaker 7 (01:24:07):
How would I explain? What? Why? Y?

Speaker 15 (01:24:08):
You guys didn't play as well defensively last year as
you did in twenty three?

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
And do you expect this to.

Speaker 7 (01:24:16):
Be more like two years ago? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:24:18):
I mean we expect to to raise the bar again. Uh,
it's hard to stay at the very topic as far
as defensively, and we have to come in and now
understand that you know, last year is gone. You can't
expect for no teams not to adjust or to you know,
just things to to roll over and and uh, no
teams to fear us, especially not after one year. You know,

(01:24:39):
you have to prove that y year and a year
out that you'll be the same same person or it'll
come back better, you know, each and every time you
sip on the field, and I think, guys, really, you know,
I've come to understand that now after.

Speaker 7 (01:24:50):
You know, a a down year from us defensively last year,
wels I question.

Speaker 10 (01:24:54):
About mean, what is the tone that you wanted to
see on you'll especially starting today?

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
But as do you guys ramp up and get into
the sum.

Speaker 9 (01:25:01):
Work between you needs to be said like the team
uh needs to be focused and intense. You don't needs
to and then be intentional every time you step foot
on the field, every time you walk into the classroom.
You gotta know exactly what you're doing and you know
how you can improve and improve the man next to you.

Speaker 15 (01:25:17):
Why else obviously quarterbacks so important, So how do you
view coming in not knowing which one of four guys
could be your weakness Storm.

Speaker 9 (01:25:25):
That's got none to do with me. That's all off
to Kevin. And you know whoever he decides is is
the best fit for for what we're trying to do offensively.
You know, Game one, we're gonna we're gonna rock rock
beside and and I think now all these guys are
very capable, and uh, I know we have confidence all
of them, but you know, the found decisions on on
Kevin and you know we'll we'll roll without.

Speaker 8 (01:25:45):
What gives you a feeling or the confidence, not that
you've been around this version of the twenty twenty fife rounds,
the feeling that you guys can make that legit run
again at the super Bowl or as you play out.

Speaker 9 (01:25:58):
Uh the fact that we came up off such a
uh down yere and guys weren't satisfied. Uh No, guys
were really disappointed cause they knew, you know, what we
had in the locker room, how within ourselves, and you
know it wouldn't be a let down if you know,
this was the expectation. But it is because we we
know we are we are far more in the tank.
Uh you know, we have a a great core unit,

(01:26:20):
a lot of young guys and you know we c
we there's a lot of a lot of juice squeeze.
So no, we're gonna continue to you know, try to
find uh, uh the best ways to put guys in
position to make place for us, you know where that's
our offensive defense and even special teams, and uh, I
think you know, we'll really don't be able to turn
the page.

Speaker 7 (01:26:36):
You know this year coming up, and is there a
lesson from twenty to twenty four?

Speaker 16 (01:26:40):
You get coin lazy team, you can carry it in
twenty twenty five to not only make you a a
a a better team, what else to uh help you
get through?

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
You know, any adversity that eventually will pomp off.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
Don't take things for granted. It's never gonna be easy
matter and what position you play. You know what your
record is, what your record was. No each any given Sunday,
you know both both teams have a chance. So you
know you've you've gotta, you know, come out and be
that same player every time you step on the foot
on the field. You can't, you can't have a a
slow step.

Speaker 7 (01:27:16):
You can't.

Speaker 9 (01:27:17):
You don't forget your assignment. You know all those things
you know that they feel like no minute details or
you know, j just you know one bad step now
that that can lead to no m uh, a big play,
a touchdown, whatever it is. You know that that's how
you know, those things accumulate and you end up. You
know where we were at last year?

Speaker 15 (01:27:37):
Hey, given how frustrated you were at the end of
last season, Like, how were you able to get to
this place right now where you have this optimism?

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
You had such high expectations for this team.

Speaker 9 (01:27:49):
You gotta channel it, you know, I have such high
expectations for the team cause I have such high expectations
for myself. No team's gonna go outside go I'm gonna
you know, try to be the the driving factor behind
them up and create a standard in which everyone has
to chase every single day.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
What a wo did you think?

Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (01:28:06):
Now you saw Mason Graham and OTAs.

Speaker 16 (01:28:08):
Many khod you have and all that.

Speaker 15 (01:28:10):
What do you think he can do to help this defense?

Speaker 7 (01:28:14):
Uh? I mean from what I've seen this office, I
think he's worked this out.

Speaker 12 (01:28:17):
Saw.

Speaker 9 (01:28:18):
I've seen him in multiple different places, whether it's past
Russ summer Houston. Uh with Malik Uh, you know back
up here, after that, you know he's you know he's
put in the work and know he's really dedicated to
the crop. So I really believe now he'll get out
there and make a uh uh a hell of an impact.

Speaker 7 (01:28:33):
You know, very early.

Speaker 15 (01:28:34):
Might cause you grew a plant class.

Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
I mean in the off season, Denzel just like really
went to to bat for you, you know, when you
were having your trade demand and things like that, and
he really sort of just supported the heck out of you.
Talks about how the two of you together, uh can
leave this defense in this football team. So my question is, uh,
how have you seen Denzel grow as a player and

(01:29:00):
as a leader and how what about the synergy between
you two guys just helping to pull this team off.

Speaker 9 (01:29:06):
Oh, he's been my brother since uh he stepped foot
on uh this facility grounds, and he's always had my
back and it's it's always been vice versa sell and U.
And I appreciate him of standing by me through through everything.
But you know, he's he's been a leader. He spent
a leader in that that DV room, and I just
can't continue to try to, you know, elevate his voice
and make him heard throughout the whole team, and I
think he is, but you know, can't have anyone no

(01:29:29):
feeling like there they they can't be you know, that
leader for the entire team. And I feel like just
empowering him and no other other leaders across the team,
other players across the team to you know, make their
voices heard, you know, leading by example, balso uh leading
with their voice.

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
You know that that'll you know, create a.

Speaker 9 (01:29:47):
Even more powerful environment of where you can really grow
and then uh improve.

Speaker 10 (01:29:52):
And so don't mention you see as a guy that
he's keeping his eye on is an impact layer that
you said, and somebody he wants to see continue to
grow in camp?

Speaker 7 (01:29:59):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Guys, are you're side of the ball that you've got
your eye on that kind of looking to see take
another step or continue their development?

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
I'll say m J, MJ for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:30:12):
Now, I think he knows that he didn't have the
year that he wanted to last year, and uh, I
know he he had a great year before that, and
you know he wants to, you know, continue to improve.
He wants to prove that he's the guy you know
in that room, and you know that should always be
the mindset no matter who's in your room, whether it's me,
whether it's Denzel you know you you're you're out to
show that you know you're the very best, or whether.

Speaker 7 (01:30:33):
It's on your team or across the league.

Speaker 9 (01:30:34):
And I wanna see him, uh, you know, achieve those
goals for himself, for Grant get back to to to
playing against that pro Bowl level. I wanna see you know,
those linebacker step up, especially the young ones. I think,
uh dB has a lot to prove, especially if you
has a lot to prove. And uh, you know who's
gonna be at the the end next to me and
I I think a lot of guys are are are
really taking hold of that challenge. You know, Jack has

(01:30:57):
made it very very clear that you know, it's it's
up for grabs. So look at it like that. You've
got to attack every single day. You can't let off
the gas, no for even one play.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
They'll be on the practice field in about an hour
and twenty hour and thirty two minutes something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
So there you go, kids, We are back tomorrow to
break it all down. Thanks for listening to Cleveland Browns
Daily A fifty ESPN Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
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