Zegura's 5 Biggest Training Camp Questions - Cleveland Browns Daily - 7.21.25

On the final Monday episode of CBD before the start of training camp, Z gives his 5 biggest questions heading into training camp (1:05:16) and Je'Rod Cherry joins the show (1:12:57) to preview the first practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus
in Barrea, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, presented by
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Brown's on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. He are your hosts,
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, it's a live on a Monday edition of the program.
I am merely Bo. He is the great z. How
you living, Buddy, Joe? Well, dude, it's crazy, it's already.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Uh, we're Monday. We're back at it. Training camp is
going to be by this time next week. We have
had multiple open training camp practices.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's impossible.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It feels very impossible, but it's here. And you know,
I got to come in and do an event over
the weekend with Coach to Fancy and get this one
Sometime theme, which was really fun and news awesome. Honestly,
it was for one of our corporate partners, some of
their big clients.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It was awesome. He's fired up, he's ready.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
He had a good month down at the shore and
then he's ready to ready to roll. And I saw
about a bunch of our players. It was It gave
me a little juice. I was like, okay, all right,
this is good.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah. I was trying to explain because people are asking
me this weekend at the lacrosse thing, like why are
we This seems early, and I'm like, it does? It does?
It is? I mean some of this is the ramp
up that we're now in now where you have to
ramp up to go and you build toward those camp practices.
It is early. It does seem quick. The summer seems
quick for our intents and purposes. Summer is over at

(01:49):
this point and away we go on this thing. And
you're seeing it around the league. I mean there's news
out of Cincinnati today with today's tour Turtle Soup Day
in Cincinnati. Yeah, legendary Turtle Soup day today in Cincinnati.
So yeah, it's it is go time around the league,
and it's it's football is here and away we.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Go and away we go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
This is gonna be obviously a very interesting training camp
for the Cleveland Browns. And I know we're going to
get into a bunch of various things as we go
along here, but it's going to be you know, one
that is.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So quarterback focused.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, man, then at least that's something that's gonna be
something interesting every day. There's gonna be something to talk
about every day, reading into who got what reps and
the successes or lack thereof that they had and how
that changes over time. And I think that I think
the Browns have an idea, a good idea of.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
What they expect this to look like.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
But at the same time, I wouldn't expect a starting
quarterback to be announced for the Cleveland Browns for probably
a couple of weeks, maybe three weeks, even because they're
open to that. It is truly a competition that somebody
can come and seize this opportunity, you know. But I
think going into it, and I think we've talked about
it all along. You know, Kenny Pickett feels like the

(03:11):
guy that is the leader in the clubhouse. But he's
gonna have to maintain that lead. He's going to have
to earn it. But I think that's going to be
such a fascinating thing to watch this whole thing unfold
over the next month or so.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And look, we do a thing on here, and we
do it sometimes in the morning, little thing or not
a thing. And so I think if you play that game,
bless you. If you play that game. In camp, every
rep does matter. Oh yeah, and in camp where you
rep matters. How many reps you get in certain places matter,

(03:48):
what you rep matters. All of the pieces matter now
they didn't in training in the mandatory stuff too. The
one thing that's going to be kind of above all
of this or a to it is Flacco. You don't
need to see him do much. And I know Joe's
probably gonna want a bunch of reps and all of that,
but like, you don't need that much from him. You

(04:09):
know what he is, yeah, and you know what he's
capable of. So the three young guys and Pickett isn't
that different than Shuder or Gabriel. They are going to
when they rep, what they rep and how much they rep.
All of that stuff matters bigly in terms of getting
to what this season has to be about, and that
is Yes, development in a bunch of different places, try
to contend do all of those things. But we're in

(04:30):
a bit of a transition phrase as a franchise, and
you need to see if one of those three guys
can be a long term answer. That's really what this
year is. Yes, that's what it's about.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yes, one hundred percent and couldn't agree more with what
you just said. That's what it's That's what it's all about.
This team trying to put themselves in a position where
they can answer the question that they have not been
able to answer. Who is the franchise quarterback of the
Cleveland Browns. We've taken they've taken shots at it, big shot,

(05:00):
and so far the quest continues. And so that is
going to be kind of what you know is the
driving force behind this season. And I think not how
success or failure is measured. That's obviously that's measured with
wins and losses. That's the bottom line of the National
Football League. Now there are relative things that you look
at right that, Okay, where are we You know, the

(05:24):
expectations here are probably different than those in Baltimore or
Buffalo or Kansas City, and they should be not to
say that you can't go and make a run. Teams
go from worse to first in this league every single year.
But this year, it's not a success or a failure
if they don't identify that guy, but if they don't

(05:44):
feel like they have a definitive answer one way or
the other, that complicates things going forward. So I think
you want to win as many games as possible, but
you also want to have a real answer to that question.
And if you can have a real answer to that
question in the affirmative, I think it sets you up
for so many possibilities that could be very, very good
for the Cleveland Browns If you answer that in the

(06:07):
negative that Nope, there isn't somebody here that can do
that for us. You positioned yourself with the Mason Graham
trade to be able to go do that.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yep. So that's kind of what it's about.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
And by the way, I kind of think if you
don't have an affirmative answer on that, you're probably going
to be picking pretty close to the top anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, if yeah, if you play a bunch of
quarterbacks and and honestly, as tough as our schedule is,
one of the young guys could play really well and
we still don't win, which would be which wouldn't be
the worst thing for you and I and not the
words of the franchise, but from our perspective, like you
need an encre you, you and I did this. We
went through the roster and we were grading the roster

(06:52):
and where it stood around the league, and we're going
through every room and is this we ranked the room
strongest to weakest. Yep. The reality is that we need
a massive influx of new young talent, controllable talent across
the roster, and it the building of that just started
this last year in the draft and it's going to
continue next year in the draft. I mean, if you

(07:13):
could all the things we looked at, almost every position
room needs an influx of young talent.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
If you could get into the position where you have
a good answer that you know, Pickett, Gabriel or Shador
can be that guy that you're like, you know what,
We're comfortable going with that guy, and have your first
of your two first round picks, whether it's because of
you or because of Jacksonville, be a quarterback pick that

(07:39):
you could turn into two or three more ones and
then have maybe you know, three ones this year or
two ones this year, kick it forward three ones, you
know the year the potentially arch comes out, gives you
another year, but also and then two ones the year
after that, and you can have seven first round picks
over the next three years.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You can actually you should. Yes, it's not.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
One hundred percent that you're going to hit on all
of them. But you should really be able to get
this done the way that you want it to be done.
And what I mean by that is quarterback. You're gonna
need a receiver, you could need a tight end. You're
gonna need tackles, You're going to need potentially guards. You're
gonna need a defensive end. You're going to need cornerbacks,

(08:22):
and you could even need a safety. I mean, you
have the whole roster. You have a lot of needs.
You have a lot of needs going forward. As things
shakeout going forward, you're gonna have a lot of needs.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yes, first full squad practice is Wednesday, four to twenty five.
First open practice to the public is on Friday at
two o'clock. That is training camp. And here we go.
Would you make a Scottie?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I mean it was never a doubt to me once
he had the lead. Yep, he is the best player
in the world. I mean, he just missed a I
don't know, probably twelve footer on sixteen, which called calamity
to run off four straight birdies on a two hundred
and thirty yard par three. The crazy thing is he
didn't play the par fives well relative to the field.

(09:10):
He did not play the par fives well at all.
In fact, he set the record for the most under
part on par three's in an open championship. Ever, he
could have won this by ten, he didn't, birty two,
then birty seven. He just really didn't attack the par
fives the last couple of days like you would have
thought he could have, and if he did, maybe he

(09:31):
wins by more. He put himself though by winning by
four or more. The only people that have ever won
three or more majors by four or more are Jack Nicholas,
Tiger Woods, and Scotti Shuffler. And what he's doing is
it's not and people get really it really fires people
up when somebody says, oh, it's like Tiger esque, it

(09:53):
is kind of like Tiger esk. It's not the same
level of dominance. I'd also say it's a different game now.
There are so many players who can mash the ball,
There are so many players who are elite players. I
do think the live part of it, those guys clearly
are not the same competitors that they were when they
were on the tour.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Like just it seems like only Deshambeau can has been
Yeah last year one to one, but even. I mean,
but he's in the mix. I mean he was sixteen under,
he was seventy eight sixty three, I know, but he's
sixteen under Friday, Saturday, Sunday right right, seventy eight sixty
he had.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
A six seventy sixty sixty five sixty thirteen shots different
in one day.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, but like he's been the only one that's kind
of the.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Periphery of it really hasn't been there. Dustin Johnson, they've
been there. It's it's and that hasn't really been there.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think we are far enough along that I do
think you have enough data to say that like they
are not prepared for major golf, or that tour is
not getting the best out of them for whatever the
whatever the reason may be, probably financial most of it.
I don't need to grind. You don't need to grind anymore. Yeah,
you're good. But the who cares part of that I

(11:00):
think is hurting a great to them. And these I
will say so, I really obviously I'm having for guy.
I wish he were more fun. I wish there was
just something about it.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
But even like in he's happy, you know, and he
gave that interesting and quote before about you know, I
don't know why I care that much, but I do,
and separates it and I thought, did you see Jordan
Speeth afterwards said the sky Shuffler's not He's not trying
to grow the game.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
He's not trying to transcend the game like Tiger.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, he doesn't do the stuff that all of us
do with all the corporate you know, kind of like
his boondoggles or glad He's like is he He plays
golf and just have to be really good at it.
His friends are the same friends he's had his whole life.
He likes to be with his wife and his kid,
which is those are all great.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Nobody.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
You have to be very absolutely, he just happens to
be so so good. I mean, the best we got
was like a two inch fist pump on I think
six when he saved par I'd love to see a
little bits.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
He's just methodical.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Now, I will say what I enjoyed, perhaps more than
anything on Sunday, especially on the back nine. I'm a
I think it's hot tongue. I'm a hot tong lee fan.
I love that guy. I loved everything about him. He
was having the time of his life. He was the
only person I saw who has ever gotten Scotty to
engage with them like that. They were laughing and smiling,

(12:16):
having a great time together. I was so happy for him.
He made that Birdie to get finished tied for fourth.
I was like pumped for him. What cool story. He
just seemed like a cool guy and I was really
that was I was rooting for him more than I
was rooting for Scotty, because Scotty was inevitable. It was
he was gonna win. He needs the US open now,
get it. I mean, I think so Pebble would be

(12:39):
a great place to do it.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
He's got that coming up in the next couple. Yeah,
he's He's incredible. He's incredible.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
He has a swing that is unlike anybody else's on
the planet.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
And he's just so in command. He's just so commented.
He had a double which was shocking, and then came
back and went Birdie and then Birdie I think two
holes later, and then just coasted in, which is all
he had to do.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's a there's a little bit of joker to it.
For the Nuggets, there's a little bit of that, like
so good and so good, and it's just so kind
of like just they're consistently good, but there's not a
whole lot more to it than that. And Joker's not
interested in any of the stuff either, like he wants

(13:27):
to go back and race his horses and all that stuff,
Like he's not. He just this is a skill that
he's really good at. Yep. And that's Scotty and the
thing for some of them. And I don't know, like,
do you think Tiger's career is any different in this
era where the purses are this big or do you
think that he was So we romanticize all of those

(13:47):
guys because of their drive and the singularly focused and
all of those things that they were, but financially they
also weren't totally set the way that these guys are
not in initially though by the time he got to
the mid two thousands, of sure, but like early nineties,
like when he's first getting going, there's a monetary part

(14:07):
of it too, sure, And for a lot of these
guys there isn't there set for beyond set in large
part because of Tiger. Yeah, so I don't know. I
think all of those things are in play. A couple
of things on him. I saw a poll this morning
that said, do you think that he will win ten
so majors? Yeah, so it's it's Jack, Tiger and Hagen

(14:28):
are the ten the guys who won ten Do you
think he'll win ten majors? And the pole was seventy
five percent yes that he would. Now I immediately said
the poll is wrong because you probably would have said
something similar after Rory won what his fourth in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
They've won, so he's won four in the exact same
I think it was twenty five majors for Rory and
same for Shuffler.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, so that I didn't know that, but that only
buttresses my case that coming out of Rory winning it congressional,
you would have said, oh, he's he's gonna win twelve
in I mean, he's in his twenties. He's gonna win
twelve in his sleep. And then he won a decade.
Yeah right, you probably you might have said the same
thing with Speeth after he'd won the two Masters, and
he won the US Open and then he won an

(15:15):
Open champion. All he's bussing is the PGA WI. He
feels like he's now he's cooked. But you wouldn't have
thought that then he felt like a machine. It felt like, oh,
if he's in it, he's gonna win it. Yeah, you
may have said not that they I'm not talking about
the Tiger thing. I'm saying the ten major thing. You
might have thought it about Koepka in the late teens,
like he was a machine at the US Open, like

(15:35):
to win the US Open that way, to just pound
it and just dominate US Opens. You would have thought, well, gosh,
maybe he get to ten and they're not. They're not
so like he's got the four like six more and
he said it post round. I thought it was so good.
He's like, stop with the Tiger stuff, Like, okay, I'm
a quarter of the way there, Like he won fifteen,

(15:56):
Like he doesn't, right, And it doesn't strike me as
someone who's gonna do this at forty five or forty two.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I could honestly see him win a US Open, have
the career Grand Slam and be like, I've made enough money,
I've been really good at this, like I just want
to go like chill.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, Like I could see him not even playing it out,
like yeah, here's the other thing about that sport. And
we talked about a lot the the golf season for
the casual sports fan is now over. It's over.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's just crazy. I agree with you on you and
I've talked about it. It's agree. I think it's a critical.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Mistake and one more in August.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Absolutely absolutely, And I know the Ryder Cups at beth Page,
but it's during football season. It gets it's got no chance,
no chance. So you had. Now the golf people will
love it, but like the non golf people, they once
the Open Championship is done, it's done. You really could
have done better than Rory winning a Masters. That will
the back nine alone will be a thirty for thirty. Oh,

(16:57):
it's just crazy. Uh two Sky and JJ Spahn, who's that?
You're going to forget him, but you're not going to
forget how ridiculously brutal Oakmont was and everything that came
with film. I'm going to remember that. Yeah, you're going
to remember that. Golf could not have had a better
year than it had based on the characteristics and the
people involved. I suppose if shamp Well Desham was in
the final pairing with Rory at the Masters, yeah, so

(17:20):
like he was in the mix. Even so, it kind
of went as good as it can go for them.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Totally, yeah, totally. Yeah, it's I think you're right. Scotty
winning the PGA though I don't even think I can't
even remember anything about them or a single swing and
that was paid a quail yep. But your masters, you
remember oakmight you remember and obviously Spawn. I think he'll
It will help him to be remembered by the putt
he made on eighteen.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, I think that helps him.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
And right, you had Scotty twice he had I mean yeah,
you had everything that you wanted. And Rory while he
wasn't he didn't win, he was certainly in the mix
in Ireland. The crowd was great for him this week.
It's just it thinks that I think that there's nothing
looking for the PGA. Again, we've said you and I
have said this ad nauseum. It should be a master's

(18:07):
kicks it off. Then you go ahead. There isn't a
major in May, but you can get big. There are
big tournaments in May.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Jackson's in May used to be in May, and the
players used to be in May.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Put two big, two big ones in there. Yeah. Then
you got the US Open.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Then you've got the Open, and I love that when
you win, you're the champion golf of the world.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I just loved it such a great I love that too.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Great.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And then you'd have the PGA.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And what the PGA should be is at crazy courses
that you never see pros play on that you've never
seen a pro play on. For like, I don't even
care if it was every year, if the PGA just
was out in Mesquite, Nevada.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, but courses like that. Yeah. I think the other
thing the PGA could do that would be really cool.
It feels like the PGA and the US Open because
US Open gave up a lot of those, Like Congressional
is going to be a PGA that was for a
US Open. I think Baltis Roll is going to be
a PSA PGA, So they kind of have some pollination.
Don't stay or clear of each other. If the US

(19:04):
Open be fine, US Open play Pebble, play, Tory play
and then play all of those ultra exclusive ones, fine,
the RODA whatever. But the PGA, you're right, there's a
spot for it. And one thing that I saw was
pretty cool. One of my one of Beamsy's buddies dads,
went to Ireland on a golf trip and he's like,
I've played Royal Port Rush and I know you've played

(19:24):
a lot of the courses in the Rota. Yeah, in
the Scotland courses, and it's like that's pretty cool. Yeah,
the PGA would be pretty cool to play all the
courses you can play, play Bethpage Black, play Whistling Straits,
Torrian Pebble or us. But like even if you gave
to one of the band and courses, absolutely there. Yeah,

(19:46):
mesquite all of those courses that anybody can play. Play
the one in Vegas that's overly priced, play all those
set up a pgat Castle Pines.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
They used to play an event there. But yeah, like
have them be hitting the ball at you know, in
that kind of elevation, Yes, would be cool. Yeah, there's
so many.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
There's an opportunity there totally.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, the ones that like people go courses that people
go on vacation to play.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, like have a PGA at what's a Mystic Rock
in Mystic Rocks in Vegas. Well, Mystic Rocks.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
That's right, that's what's the one I'm thinking about in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
That's what I mentioned something. It's the most expensive course
it is. Yeah, that's the one that Tiger, and those
guys played at Shadow Creek. Shadow Creek, Yeah, yeah, play
at quarter lane where I was perfect. I don't know
they could back it up enough. I don't if they
have enough room. Uh no, it's pretty short. You're right,
probably is. But even if they even if they had
to hit different shots, or even if they shot thirty

(20:40):
under par, who cares?

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Like?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Do it different?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Cool places?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Cool places?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
There are plenty of them there. There's quarterbous in Hawaii
that are public courses. Big yeah, well public isn't but
still but like a resort, yes that somebody, yes, somehow
or other people can find their way onto.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yes, yes, yes, that's that's to me. I think we
agree that that's what that is. Are you ready for absurdity?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Depends.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'm gonna give you five minutes of youth sports. You
have five minutes of This weekend tournament is in Warren County, Ohio,
about forty five minutes north of Cincinnati. Have you been there? Oh? No,
Warren County, I know Warren on the way to No. No, no, no,
you pass it on the turnpike of course. Yeah no, no, no,
no it.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Being great You could have stayed at home.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Now, This is a victory because it wasn't Baltimore or
Baltimore adjacent. So there's three hours and twenty minutes home
instead of five point fifty six. Fine, so you get
your schedules on Thursday. So this is how it's been
all summer. Beamsy and Boots. He play starting at eight
am and they're done usually by one o'clock, and then

(21:50):
NBC starts at like two o'clock and he's done at
like seven, so it's all day. But it's in the brochure,
no problem, I got it. You typically stay at hotels
that have the word suites in the name. Yep, very
loosely use of the word suite.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
If by sweet you mean it has a sink in it, yep,
then I guess it's a I guess it's a sweet.
There's ever a restaurant in them, it's right, you know.
So we were at a Marriott across the street from
across the freeway from King's Island, so that's a win.
So you got a restaurant in it and a way

(22:29):
you go, So that's fine. So that's nice. Did the
two rooms nobody's nobody? I get too many kids got
to do it. That way. So get the schedule. It's
five o'clock. You've been there all day. You got to
be there. You're up at six the year at the place.
By seven thirty, you're there all day. We're in the
middle of the late games, NBC's games on Saturday, and
there's lightning. Shut it down. We're done. Say okay, we

(22:51):
can go home four thirty. That's fine, Maybe a shower,
kind of chill out. They didn't call them right away,
so they call them later. Eventually go back. But here's
what I know is a I in the US sports world,
they have to play those games, those pool games. So
now what initially would have been if the boys win
championships were on the road by one thirty becomes now

(23:12):
we got to play pool games at eight o'clock. We
got to play bracket play that the last game was
at two forty five. Okay, last games at two forty five. Now,
so already I'm in a bad mood. So we're heading
back to the hotel after all day. Everybody's loaded in,
everybody stinks all this stuff because's been in the sweat
hot all day. And they go get some snacks. I
think they did wing stop and Chipotle is what they want.

(23:35):
I'm like, I just need something. I want something that
feels a little more homemade. So no names please, but
an Italian chain that I think you would say is
a relatively higher scale Italian chain, like a sit down,
not a walk in. Make it for you, like go
have a seat type situation. So I go on their
app and I download. I wanted a cup of soup,
That's what I wanted. I wanted a cup of soup,

(23:56):
a ministrone. I would have taken a Ministron or a
web so both of those would have been fine. It
ended up being like a Grandma's chicken soup, which was fine, Okay, great,
I just needed I didn't want a Gramdma. I want
a broth. That's all I wanted. Give me two bowls
of that. It says the way a half hour, so
you get the kids there stuff. It's right across the street.
Go over across the street, park in the pickup lot.

(24:19):
I text I'm here. We wait about five to seven minutes,
and I'm like in my head, I'm going like, all right.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
It's a ladle and the walkout.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So I go in and I go, hey, I showed
the thing. I said, look I ordered, and I tipped
five bucks because I just I don't want any sort
of thing not to be I don't care if all
you're doing is walking it to me five bucks, enjoy it, yep,
on a twelve dollars tab. I don't care. It's fine.
So I show the person in the front. The person
the front says, when the odors are done, they'll be
on that shelf. And there's nothing on that shelf. Great response,

(24:52):
So I go, I get that. But all I need
is two bowls of soup. That's all I need, and
I my hunches. You make a vat of it, and
then you'd stick a ladle in and you soup it
into a bowl and you staple it and you give
it to me. That's what I think the process is.
Bill's correct. You know what she said to me. We

(25:16):
make every bowl of soup from scratch.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
You don't, you, ma'am, No, you don't. Our liar a liar, liar, liar,
pants on fire.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Every bowl of soup from scratch. You may make a
vat of soup.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
One massive one. It probably eight in the morning.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, that's how I made soup. You're a soup man.
I am, come on, come on now, So what am
I doing? What's my response to this? What do you say?
I mean, it's been a full day. I'm not going
to fight with the person at the front. I'm not
going to make a scene. So I'm like every bowl
of soup by scratch, huh yep, okay, And I went

(26:01):
back and waited in the car.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
By the way, it would be later generate the flavor
profile of the soup business. Made it in one here's
one little soup.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
If every time somebody said give me a cup of
minute strone, you were back there starting.

Speaker 9 (26:16):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Give me the.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Ladle, give me the lattle.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yeah. Fair.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
They finally bring it out and the way we go,
So enjoy my soup.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Though?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I did? It was pretty good. It's a nice soup.
It was what I wanted. I wanted a nice suit
because it would be worse from a scratch.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
And it's like, no, it's not great.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
They were back there chopping carrots and so just on
the moment you got this tender quick boy, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
It really is incredible.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
There will do that.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
It feels like this is not a good not a
good business. Plan at all. So you get so you're
playing all these games on Sunday. You get through it all,
playing all these games on Sunday, and it comes to
like all that the Beams's boots, he's done, hung a
little banner. He was excited. NBC's team lost in the semifinals,
so now we're just needing Beamsy's team.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
It plays at one to fifteen, where there's about ten
minutes left in the semifinal game. They're up four to two.
They've beaten every team in the tournament. And you hear
a crack of lightning at two o'clock. Crack of lightning.
So what does that mean? If you hear a crack
of lightning?

Speaker 7 (27:24):
It's twenty minutes thirty Oh when did that change? Thirty
minutes now used to be twenty from the last one.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I feel like you could do it at five, quite honestly,
and you could figure it out. So thirty minutes, another
crack of lightning, reset it, another crack of lightning. Fifteen
minutes later, if there's another crack of lightning, do you
get to start over? Yep, thirty minutes from that. That's
college football, that is that's what they do. That's what
they do. Yeah. So I'm looking at the radar, and

(27:53):
because it's Ohio and it pours every single day, I
say to myself, well, my hunches, we're gonna be in
the rain for a long time. So the five of
us are sitting in the car sucking down microwave hot
dogs from the concession stands. She haven't eaten all day
anything of things. So I'm sitting there. I'm like, just

(28:15):
have the stones to call it. I can see on
the radar it's light. We're not playing, man, we're not.
By the way, you only have two turf fields. Everything
else is will be underwater. We all know we're done,
and all any parent in that situation wants to do
is go home.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
So we want to Sunday.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's fine town Sunday. I'm good. And by the way,
Beams's team didn't lose the team that they were going
to play in the final. They beat twelve to two
the day before, so they were going to win it, right.
So it's supposed to be an updated two thirty no update.
At two thirty three o'clock, we're still sitting there. So
now we've sat in there for an hour and fifteen minutes.

(28:54):
The kids from the two teams are going back out
on the turf to warm up because the sun's out.
It's like, hey, let's play three fifteen three twenty. Guy
comes over. Yeah, we're canceling it. You guys can all
go home. Could have done that a few hours ago. Brother,
at two o'clock, give me that.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
At two o'clock, you're halfway home with that through I'm
a damn near to Mansfield.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Jesuise three point thirty.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
They called it. Wow, yeah, go home, and that was
the fitting end.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
Are you doing lacrosse here for the sum We're done.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
We're done. Show's over. That was it we did and
the Spiders guys were awesome, great group, good fun, all
fun all summer. But like one thing I know, like
in youth sports, like all anybody, just be decisive and
make a decision and just give them just when it's obvious.
Don't worry about hurting all the feelings, like, just make
it and everyone can move on. Everyone's fine. Everyone's fine.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
By the way, I had a fun set of conversations
with a company, a delivery company. Okay, so I'd order
some wine that's delivered through the delivery company and they
always say, you know, in the summer, you don't want
this thing going around on trucks. So you get it,
like you get it, send it a certain way, and

(30:16):
then they hold it for you at the location. So
on Saturday, I get a notice at like eleven that
they attempted to deliver it, but it was nobody was there.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
It was closed.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, so mind you when you.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Say hold it location, you're holding it at that company's location,
the delivery company, you know, and they have stores all
over Oh yeah, yeah, it's held at that held there, Yeah,
held there for you. So I'm like, wait a second,
what do you mean there's nobody there? It's open.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
So then I call up and I'm like, what's going on.
They're like, yeah, they tried to deliver places closed. I'm like,
how's that possible? They said, well, actually you got the
message at eleven, but they tried to deliver it at
five in the morning. So I said, you mean to
tell me that your company tried to deliver to your
company at a time in which they knew your company

(31:11):
same company was not open.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
And he's like, it appears that way.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
What are we talking about here? I said, So now,
where is it? Is it just driving around on the
truck in eighty five degrees? Like, what's going on now?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Great, I said, well, can you tell the person with
it to just go now? They're open from ten to six? Yeah,
which you guys should know.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Or just give me a street address and all I'll
go get I'll go get it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
No, no, we have no way to contact the drivers. Like,
I can't believe that's true, I said, But that's fine.
We're not going to litigate this out. So he said,
let me can I talk to the manager? Just like
I just want to understand how this happens. So I'm
Askeding's like, well, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Then she goes, well, actually it's because the facility it's
at is closed. They just call it that. I said,

(31:59):
So it was iver attempted to deliver. I said, here's
the text. I'll read it to you. Your package was
attempted to be delivered today. It will have to be
delivered a later date because the business was closed. I said,
so why are you guys saying She's like, well, our
computer system's very backed up and it's sending some some
wrong messages. I'm like, come on, what are we doing here?
So ultimately, anyway, apparently it was never attempted. Who knows,

(32:22):
but like the fact that the story that they were
giving me at first was that they attempted to deliver
it to their own company when they knew their own company.
I said's not like you're trying delivered to my house
and I just wasn't there. Yeah, I said, you said,
I got it held here, and you try to deliver
it to you when you weren't open.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I do think, I mean the absurdity of that. My
favorite part of it, though, is we have no way
to connect to connect with the drivers. That is in
line with we make every bowl of soup from scratch.
That's an impossible scenario. Of course, you could contact the drivers.
They have cell phones. Yeah, everyone that they know. You

(33:02):
know who's delivered in your packages. I can watch it
on the app drive around right. What are we talking about, dude?
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(34:45):
out of Tennessee Today. Quarterback Will levis undergoing shoulder surgery.
He will do so on the twenty ninth of July
and he will miss the twenty twenty five season. Quarterback
has been dealing with shoulder injury since last year and
hopes to be ready for the twenty twenty sixth season.
This just struck me, as I want to have a
good summer because he participated in the entire offseason program.

(35:06):
It's very see the injury happened last year. So it
just strikes me as I'm gonna you guys drafted a
quarterback at number one. Fine, I'm gonna have a nice
summer and then I'm gonna have the surgery and I'll
sit out next year and you can trade me after that.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yep. That's what feels like to me.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It's a very strange thing, and that's something that you
see very often. But Shaq used to do this. You'd
have a minor surgery, like in training camp for the Lakers,
and this will really pissed Kobe off because you'd have
these surgeries, like a minor surgery and camp and Kobe'd
be like, dude, I'm ready, and now you're not gonna
be ready until March February. And Shack's answer was, we

(35:43):
have but I'll be ready when it matters in the postseason.
I'll be good. And this guy ain't Shack, No, But
that's that's what the read to me, is is that
I'm gonna I'm gonna rehab while you pay me during
the season. I'm not gonna. I'm not doing it in
my summer.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's pretty wild, though, if you are Levis, because it's
not like you have a huge background to stand on
of success. They are literally trying to replace you as
we speak.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Have replaced you. Well, they have replaced you, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Not trying. I also deemed a success, has replaced.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I also think like you're missing the forest through the trees.
From the standpoint of how the rest of the league
will respond to it, yeap, because I'm guessing everyone took
note and went like, oh, that's type of dude.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
He is like, okay, it feels that way.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, I agree, all right, we have a.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I do you think that they become you know, we
are a team with four quarterbacks?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Do they become an interesting potential partner there for a
Flacco situation, Yeah, he'd be the only one as if
they if you did the two places that would seem
to make sense for me, for Joe. If if we don't,
if we were to move off of him and we're
comfortable with the three young guys, would be Minnesota and Tennessee,
New Orleans. I think New Orleans is trying to go

(36:59):
to the bottom.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I just think he feels like if they like Tyler Shuck,
I mean yeah, he feels size wise, are oh she
feels like.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
A pretty good yes, yes, doppelganger for sure.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah. But in terms of like mentorship and like just
being a pro and all of that, Like I thought
in Minnesota, like and we obviously know Quasy very well,
but like, I don't know who's behind JJ McCarthy there,
but they're ready to go, and if something were to
happen to JJ, like that would be a kind of
a perfect stop gap yep for them. So yeah, I
mean that could be that could be something to watch
on the on that side of things. But yeah, because

(37:32):
their current quarterbacks are cam Ward, Tim Boyle, and Brandon Allen.
I think Brandon Allen played at Arkansas. I have no
point of reference on Tim Boyle to TV twelve.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Pretty sure he started a game against US as the
starting quarterback for the Lions a few years ago.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
I'll take care of your word, brother, I recognize both
those guys he's been with.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
He's been with Green.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Bay as well.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Tim Boyle definitely started against US, and I think we
like somehow the rain lost that game or was much
closer than it should have been.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I have a theory. Yes, I think the reason you
guys know these guys is because you guys have to
be locked in for entire preseason football games. He Tim
Boyle started against US. I'm fine. I believe you. I
believe you.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
November twenty twenty one, Tim Boyle, did we beat him?
Like twelve, nine, thirteen to ten?

Speaker 4 (38:18):
We won?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, and bake through a few picks and it was gross.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Oil completed fifteen of twenty three for seventy seven yards,
complete for seventy seven yards.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Was this was that? That was the odell when it
all went south twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yes, end of twenty twenty one. Yeah, yeah, that was.
That was an ugly game.

Speaker 7 (38:35):
Boil first career NFL start.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, victory Monday, right, Well, we have can't say it was, no,
it was. You can't say it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
That's because it was. I can't say it wasn't because
it most most certainly was.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Steelers have released a throwback year in a form paying
homage their noaugural nineteen thirty three season. They wear them
Week eight on Sunday Night Football against the Packers. Oh,
that's a shame they're doing it against the Packers.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
It is a shame.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
It's a weird looking uniform.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
It feels like all of their old ones suck.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah, the suck.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
But I think it's just one of those things where
if you're going to try to do something from the
twenties and thirties, those uniform and then they'll sometimes do
like with the Steelers if you haven't seen them, so
they're wearing like a khaki khaki kind of pant to
mimic what they wore in that age, and then they
wear like it's a yellow helmet, which I don't did
they even wear helmets that. They were probably leather if
they were wearing them in nineteen thirty three, it's probably leather.

(39:29):
I'm guessing they weren't yellow. So it's a lot of
like kind of like faux homage. Yes, I like that,
it's not real like they never wore those. It's kind
of like what the Giant remind me what the Giants
did last year? Guys, you remember that when they took
like elements from all over one. Yeah, So that's that's
kind of what it is. Yeah, I wish they wouldn't

(39:51):
wear it against the Packers, because then against the Packers
has a look to it.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
By the way, Brandon Allen has faced the Browns three times.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Wasn't didn't was Brandon Allen's first start against US as
a member of the Broncos, Because first start eleven three
nineteen did Are you have the box score for that game.

Speaker 7 (40:10):
Twelve of twenty for one hundred and ninety three yards in.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Two Portland Sutton touchdown, a seventy five yard catch and run,
Noah Fan touchdown.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Maybe I don't know the answer to that yet.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
You know that box score?

Speaker 7 (40:20):
Come on, no, no, I don't have the box score. I
just have this line.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Well, I'm pretty sure that was the game that led
to one of our players being removed from the team
and never to be seen in the National Football League
again after a.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Violent threat was made.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Oh radio hoose, I remember that. It's gotta be, dude,
it's got to be.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Pull up that box score, no phantom calling it seventy
five yard catch old touchdown.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
And then he played against US in twenty one November
of twenty one as a member of the Bengals. Yeah,
I remember that and then in January of twenty two,
so Bengals again or was yeah, the Bengals again? So
I think that was was that?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
So we got the season starts a late late season.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
To fan had three catches for one hundred and fifteen
yards and a touchdown twenty four to nineteen.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
How was How long was a touchdown? It might have
been eighty even back then it might have been twenty.
Oh boy, it's either eighty or seventy five. It should
say long out run you have that stats should say long.

Speaker 7 (41:21):
Here we go. Nope, maybe.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Alan did play at Arkansas. I'll fill a buster for
a second. He played on iphon six. He played on
six NFL teams Jaguars, Rams, Denver, Cincinnati, San Francisco, and
the Titans. Career eleven and eight eleven to eight touchdown
to interception. He saw him for eighteen hundred yards in
his career.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
B Allen has you know easy this is you got
a no offense career page. Then you go to his
great his best game of his career, and then you
go to that box score because guess what that was
the best game of no offense career just released by
the way, and it was a seventy five yard Noah
Fense seventy five yard catch and.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Run from Brandon Allen.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yep had it and Courtland Sutton was the first up
sound he had that too. All right, let's let's play
a little lots a lot in the You've seen a lot,
You've seen a lot of ball.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Brother, that was sideline days.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm gonna give you. This is your boy, Timmy Boyle.
You want to know his his college football record.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Where did he play?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
He started at Yukon and then he went to Eastern Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Eastern Kentucky. I know it was a direction.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Guess how many times he started more than ten games
in a year in his college career?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
College career going to say zero based on that, Yeah,
because the way I did it.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Just once once at Eastern Kentucky he went four and seven.
As a college quarterback. Tim Boyle was four four and fifteen.
As a college quarterback. His highest completion percentage was sixty
one point five not exactly. Playing at Yukon, he went
own four oh and three oh and one, never at
a completion bed percentage better than fifty two point four percent.

(43:03):
For God's sakes. As an NFL player, he is a
five to thirteen touchdown to interception complete passer rating a
fifty eight point one sixty percent completion percentage. You know what,
there's not enough quarterbacks? No, No, there aren't. No, there
is no reason. What are they? Why is he on
a roster? How has he started a game in the league?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Man almost beat us?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I know, I mean that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
He did.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
He was a bad college quarterback and.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Somehow has found his way into being clipboard boil.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
It's a great gate if you have it.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
Yeah, great, he's.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Nott Colt McCoy. No, with that college career. He's not
Bradon Allen with his.

Speaker 9 (43:59):
No.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's why did you see this piece was in here?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
No, I just knew that he had been released Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Release veteran tied in Noah Fan twenty nineteen first round pick.
That while there you go, we end up in a
Noah Fan world. He's acquired in the twenty twenty two
trade that sent Russ to Denver.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
He had a catch and run and there was people
were critical. I think safe you Drome Whitehead?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I think was his name?

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Is that right, Kibben?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yes, that strikes men. It did not go well from
there it did not Former Brown center J. C. Trettor
resigning from his position as the nfl PA's Chief strategy
officer withdrawing himself for consideration for the nflpa's interim executive
director that was previously filled by Lloyd Howell. This is
a surprise. Did you read his comments? Not only did
he say decline, he said.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
Sat down for an hour with Jonathan Jones.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I believe I want nothing to do with any of you.
I mean, it's pretty he's strenuously opposed being appointed. I'm out.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Good luck, see on down the road.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
It's been a rough, yeah, stretch for the NFLPA res.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, So we'll always remember him for breaking down Game
of Thrones with us.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
Yeah, he was great.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And didn't he get didn't we set him up with
like the uh didn't they have the Scotch for every house? Yes,
that we sit like six bottles of Scotch, one for
every house.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
That was what we did.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
That was the right thing to do. He gave us
a lot of his time.

Speaker 7 (45:24):
He did.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
It was every Monday, he'd give us an like forty
five minutes. Yeah, on the breakdown, he was great. The
chiefs and defensive end George Karloft dis agreed to a
four year, ninety three million dollars cension includes sixty two
million in guarantees. Uh so he gets paid a little
bit there. This is always a tricky one because you
I mean, I talked about this a little bit this morning.
President Trump threatening withhold a new stadium deal for the

(45:46):
Commanders if they did not change their name back to Redskins,
also wants the Guardians to revert back to the Indians.
The Guardians have replied saying they have no plans to
change their name. The Commanders have done the same that
they're not changing their name back either on either front.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
What I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I don't think you can tell like private business what
to do with how to name their teams. I don't
think you can do that, But who knows. It always
just came back to having I grew up forty five
minutes south of the Blackfeet Indian Reservation. It always just
came back to the And I've said this many times
in the show for Washington. It was the name. It
was just it was the name. Like if they were
any other if they had if they were the Indians,

(46:23):
they'd have been fine. Probably would have been fine. And
if the Indians didn't have Wahoo, they would have been fine.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
I think that's right.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So they like if the Redskins logo, if the Indians
owned that, that Blackie Wetzel image, he's the artist who
did it. If that was their logo, they'd still be
the Indians. I really believe that. I just think that
they they were crossed. Both were just the image was
wrong on the Indian side and the name is wrong

(46:55):
on the good Skins.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
The Seminoles of right Florida State's gotten to keep.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, what they they were very smart though they I
was down there when that all went down and they
went to the Seminole tribe and said, what do you
need from us to keep this? And so like if
you go to Dop Campbell Stadium in Tallahassee, there is
a Seminal flag that flies over it over the stadium.
They have the They did a giant bronze statue called Unconquered,
which is Chief Asciola on the spear like massive outside

(47:19):
the front of the stadium. Very regal, dignified. Look the
actual Chief Osciola, who's the representative on the horse that
they run out with in the games. All of his
apparel is approved by and given to the to Florida
State by the Seminole tribe. The Appaloosa horses come from
the exact same breeder, so they're very specific about how
it's used and that it's revered and all of that.

(47:41):
All of the name, image and license stuff that's done
in terms of using Seminol is approved by them. So
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let's go around the sports world with a little bit
of audio. Let's start with Cowboys owner Jarah Jones if
he views the Micah Parsons contract extension as an urgent matter.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
I don't view it as urgent at all. And you know,
some say, well, using the basis that the earlier you
get something done, the cheaper. Whether earlier you get something
done a lot of times, the more mistakes you make,
and you might want to see a few more cards play,
not just with that particular negotiation, but.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
With the whole team.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
And so I know I'm kind of being a little
defensive here, but the idea that the only success is
getting a contract done at an early time is incorrect.
And I'd rather pay more and get it right than

(49:43):
I had pay less and screw it up.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Do you think he ever wins another Super Bowl as
the owner of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I wouldn't say no. I still think it's a place
that people like to go. I think they have had
some very talented teams. It feels like no, just because
it's very hard to do so. But I wouldn't say
an absolutely, an absolute in absolute terms.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
No, He's eighty two, so they're not really close. I mean,
I mean they have Dak, So you got Dak, he
got Parsons, you got CD and Pick. They got some guys,
They got some guys, got good corner, they got some guys.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Yeah, they've got some guys.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
But that does feel like they had They're in the
kind of the back end of this window.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
It feels like they're in the third. They're preseason at
least on paper, third in that division. Ye Eagles defending
Super Bowl champs Commanders.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, all right, let's listen. Listen in on the Herd
from Colin cow Herd. Let's start with Urban Meyer. On
with the Herd. If he thinks Nick Saban would go
back to college.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
I don't think he'd go back to college, right.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
I don't see that fit. I think you're, you know,
the whole idea that where the heck is Alabama? Why
are they not in the top ten and spending I
don't understand that one and push the boar. I'd be
asking some hard questions, say what's the problem here. We
can't compete, we can't pay our players. So I agree
with you. I would say very little to no chance

(51:13):
he would get involved in college. But I think he
would take phone calls from the NFL.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I don't think he would do that either at this stage.
Maybe is I think he's even Is he older than.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Belichick or younger Saban, Yeah, I think older.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
I get all these guys are competitive and they want
to keep going as long as they can, and they
want to be they want to win, and they want
to be the best that they can be. But cant like, dude,
you're living your best life on game day.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
They don't. Here's the thing though, is like I was
actually surprised he did that because what he's signed now,
he's got private They do the private plane transport for
him to and from and all that stuff. So it's
not like he's stuck, you know, like me at a
you know, roadside fill in the blank, sweet hotel. Well,
but at the same point, like it is still a

(52:04):
six am Sunday wake up on air at nine am
every Saturday, and that's and he don't need that either.
So I was surprised he took that job because it's
three hours of television every week.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
Yeah, I mean it is.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
You can't cheat it, Like that's the job, and it's
now that's a job that at one point was kind
of over by the end of November and now goes
into damn near February all the way through January for sure.
So it's a much it's much more labor intensive. I'll
tell you this. I think he'd be a better NFL
head coach than Belichick is going to be a college
head coach. Yes, Like I think Saved would have success

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in the league.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I mean he's that organized and I think everybody has
universal respect for him. I think he would be just fine,
and I think he'd do it for a few years.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Sure, he's somebody who could end up to me in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah. I thought the same about Belichick.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah. Who is their coach now?

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Oh it's Brian Shot Brian hot shot, hum shot. Wow.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Speaking of Coward, here is Colin Coward on the differing
opinions in the NFL when it comes to Shudeur Sanders.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
In my life kind of being around the NFL thirty
years of doing this talk show stuff, I don't think
there's ever been a player where there's a wider variance
of opinion between the media and NFL executives. The media,
myself included, saw him as a B prospect, a good,
solid in a very very weak quarterback draft class. Certainly
arguable first round prospect, maybe a second third round talent,

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but you know, solid, good family DNA, moved well, historically, accurate,
a good kid, not a bad kid. Certainly a better
prospect than first round er Kenny Pickett by far and
against good teams. Was always productive without a lot of mistakes,
and yet he slid to.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
The fifth round.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
So how he is viewed by the NFL and the
professionals there who I respect and trust, and how he's
viewed by everybody else, it's an incredible gap.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I mean, I think that's largely.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
It is, But I also don't think it's can you
pick it taken strays.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, which is unnessary. I don't think that.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
It's accurate based on where he was drafted, but where
he was drafted is not based on that they watched
the same tape that the media people did and came
to different conclusions. They didn't no on tape. Everybody would
was in the same ballpark first into the middle of
the second round. That's it, But there was all the
other stuff that the TV people aren't privy to. That

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and the way that it was Hahnmile We've talked about
it ed nausea. But now he's here and he's ours,
and he's done a great job. Since he's been here,
he's been really good. Gibbe, do we have anywhere the
Judy Battista quote from NFL Network today talking about Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
I don't, but I can look forward that.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, I should tell you you listened to w k
N R eight fifty ESPN Cleveland, a good Karma brand station.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I mean that's the way that that we talked about
this in the fallout of the draft and how all
of that kind of shook out and why it went
the way that it did. This, Oh, this was the
thing I was alluding to earlier. This was Scotty. We
talked a little bit about Scotty winning at the Open.
He was asked about the comparisons to Tiger Wood tiger Woods.
Here's what Scotty had to say. I still think they're
a bit silly.

Speaker 10 (55:17):
You know, Tiger one, what fifteen majors, this is my fourth,
could just got one fourth of the way there. So
just I think Tiger stands alone in the game of golf.
You know, he was inspirational for me growing up and
he was a very, very talented guy, and he was
a special person to be able to be as good
as he was of the game of golf. And I
don't focus on that kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
That's not what motivates me.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I'm not not.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
Motivated by winning championships and I don't I don't look
at the beginning of the year and just say, hey,
I want to win xmount of tournaments.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
I want to win you know, whatever it is. I
don't do that.

Speaker 11 (55:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
That adds up, Yep, that adds up.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Yep. We've talked about that absolutely.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
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Cleveland Browns Z had mentioned this and Gibbie found it.
This is Judy Batista on the NFL Network in regard
to Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 12 (56:47):
Well, if we believe the language that they use going
back to the spring, they're going to value processing time,
decision making, that kind of thing. They want somebody who's
going to be able to run the offfence, minimize mistakes,
make good decisions, things like that. They use those words
a lot, processing speed and decision making when they talked

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about Dylan Gabriel, especially in the spring. Don't forget he
has a whole lot of experience from college football six
years worth. So they were impressed with his processing speed
to the point where they said, like in the spring,
they were putting more on his plate than they initially
thought they were going to to do for him. They
kept giving him more information because he was absorbing it
so much. Now, of course, when you look at Joe Flacco,

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there's no question they know how he processes things and
how he runs the offense because he's already done it.
They went to a playoff with Joe Flacco. So the
spring was mostly about just putting Joe Flacco to the side,
getting Kenny Pickett up to speed on this offense, which
he has not played in before, and then getting the
rookies going. But if you're looking at the quarterback competition,

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it's really two quarterback competitions. The competition between the two
rookies and then the competition between the two veterans. Certainly,
I think at this early point you would say Joe
Flacco has to have the end just because he's been
there and one there, and then I think you keep
an eye on Dylan Gabriel, who I think caught some
eyes in the spring with again with how quickly he
was absorbing information.

Speaker 13 (58:12):
Well, what you just said, Judy about the competition between
the veterans and the competition between the rookies, because you're
not keeping four quarterbacks, You've got four on the roster here,
so you've got those two you traded for Kenny Pickett
to then just get rid of him doesn't make much sense.
You've got those two, who's the one, who's the two?
And then which one are you keeping on the roster?
Potentially could keep the fourth on the practice squad. You
could have four quarterbacks in the building, just not necessarily

(58:35):
on the roster. So I think that that's the way
it's going to play out. Which of those rookies can
put stuff on tape in the preseason that makes it
hard for the Browns to then subject one of them
to get through waivers to get onto the practice squad.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
All right, there you go. You heard that last part.
There was that Palasaro pressing on that. Yeah, in terms
of what to do with the four roster or Mike, Mike, sorry, yeah, Mike. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Look, Dylan Gabriel. They liked the fact that he'd started
so many games. They liked when they got him on
the whiteboard. There are a lot of people that said
he had the best pre draft process, not Browns talking,
this is around the league. Yeah, the best pre draft
process of any quarterback in the draft. The reason Dylan
Gabriel didn't go earlier is because of his size. Yeah,

(59:23):
if he were six', four he probably would have gone
first or second, overall probably would have gone.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
One, yeah but he's.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Not but the processing that is something we know is
very very important in this type of an. Offense if
you have somebody who's an elite. Processor even if they,
are you, know have an average arm And GABRIEL i
think has an above average.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Arm you can.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Win look at What Brock purdy has done In San,
francisco was the last pick in the, draft seventh round,
Pick so it can be. Done and they're very pleased
with that aspect of. THEM i think if you look
at the, two you would, say you, Know shador is
a better throw of the, Football gabriel is a better.
Processor right, now the ultimate is when you have all of,

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it AND i Think shador needs to get up to
speed obviously on being a processor and doing the things
pre snap and post snap that you have to do
in THE nfl that he was not asked to do
in college through no fault of his. OWN i want
to make that abundantly, clear and then you're going to
see where it's. At but that's kind of where we.
Are that's what's going on right now with these. Quarterbacks
and when we talk, QUARTERBACKS i get dressed, up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Look, great thank. You is there a little orange in
that looks like maybe a little orange in the pattern
to a little.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
RED i think it's a little, red.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Maybe just because it's pressed up against our. Oranges. Oranger,
yeah it pops pops a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
More, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
YEAH i think the thing to the one thing that
Anytime kevin has talked On dylan since the draft to
probably you talking to him on you had Him saturday
at the, event, right one thing he said is that
everybody knows and that this is Why dylan fell the
way that he did because it didn't. FALL i, mean

(01:01:01):
some people maybe think we reach for him in the third,
round but the reason that he was even available is
because of the. Height you, know What kevin has said
consistently is it never shows up on. Film. Correct there
was never a thing When i'm watching film Where i'm, like,
oh he could have made that if he was two inches,
taller three inches. Taller there's none of. That there's nothing
where there's not balls batted. Down he doesn't get balls batted.

(01:01:21):
Down and it's one of those. THINGS i forget which.
Quarterback it might have Been kyler who said, it because
that's size, wise it's bigger Than. Kyler but we know
Because i've sitod next to both of. Them the thing
that That kyler always said is, like this is the
only Height i've ever, been, RIGHT i don't, know this
is SO i know all of. This breeze knew. This

(01:01:42):
Like breeze wasn't a guy who had, balls batted down a,
lot that's what he was used to. Doing so like
this is the only. Way this is the only Hight
dylan's ever. Been it's not a problem on, film you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Know and now what you're seeing, Is, okay does that
jump from college to the L?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah does it now show? Up did not show up in?

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
College and he was making throws With Abdul carter bearing
down on, him With Mason graham bearing down on, him
with all you, know the big players in The Big.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Ten did it show up?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
No will it show up? Now that's the big. Question
AND i think that's one of the things that you,
know as far along and processing all of that is,
great you still have to be able to deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
The football on time and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Accurately the other thing that you need to be able
to do is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
You need.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
To be able to withstand the riggers of playing the.
Position and he needed to do it while you're wearing.
Pads we haven't seen these guys throw pass in. Pads,
No and that's just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Part of the reality of The National Football.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
League so we're a long way from home in terms
of you know what this is ultimately going to be
in this quarterback, race but we're gonna get there and
we're going to get some. Information and AS i said
at the, BEGINNING i think we're weeks away from a
starting quarterback being.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Named so you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Got to get this team ready for week.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
One and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
INTERESTING i was talking with Coach, fancy AND i think
this is this is one of the big differences between you,
know people like us who talk about it and then
people who live it every, day like you look at the,
schedule AND i kind of made the, Point i'm, like
you've got last. YEAR i don't think we had a
division game until week seven or. Eight it was well

(01:03:26):
into the. Season was you, know you have three into
your first, six including your first. Two you're playing teams
that all won ten or more. Games each of your
first six opponents all won ten or more games a year.
Ago so you don't have a ramp up. Period, no you.
Don't and and he said that doesn't even exist in THE.
Nfl AND i think in some cases maybe it does
for better, teams but maybe when you're, here you're. Not

(01:03:46):
BUT i thought that that schedule would impact things maybe
more than it actually. Will and that was from my outside.
Perspective here's terms of what you're trying to do and
prepare in all of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
That but here's WHAT i would, say, though is like
the only Pushback i'd give to coach on, That and
he's won TWO Nfl coaches of The year AND i
host the show with, you so we're very different where we.
Are is that Like belichick had a ramp up with The.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Patriots, yeah they are always going later in the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
City The, bengals, now it got them last, year but
they've had ramp ups and then they get, going Even,
baltimore like you don't always come out like there is
no way that if you are a team trying to
track down a, title trying to win a, Division, yeah
the division game is an attention. Getter So i'm with
you on. That like you Opened Cincinnati, baltimore that's an
attention getter for me, bigly, definitely, Absolutely so like that's

(01:04:34):
not a ramp up. Situation but also, like no one
is trying to be your best In. September, no not
if your team that's a, contender you're, not.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
No, so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
But in this, case if you want to be a.
Contender you're going to have to be better than some
of the best in your division and conference and some
of the best in THE nfc right out of the
right out of the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Game, yeah it's. CRAZY i mean it's it's a really
tough start with With, Bengals, Ravens packers At, Lions vikings
In london At. Steelers so, yeah and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
One of the you lose one of those home games
is not really a home, game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Right, yeah, yeah all, right let's do your five biggest
questions for this team heading in to training. Camp, uh, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Quarterback, well let's get what that's number. One we'll, go you,
know go through. This number five for me is going
to be the safety. Room so that's you, Know Ronnie
hickman in his first year as a, starter the veterans
that were brought, In jenkins And. Kz you, know who

(01:05:49):
is the number two With delpit AND i think it's
going to Be, hickman and then who's the number? Three
you know when we play some of our Diamond nickel
looks that this is a completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Room, yeah and it's, uh it's a lot On, ronnie
but there's insurance now for him, too with with guys
that that coaching staff knows and some familiarity and a
big year is gonna be needed For. DELPIT i, Mean
delpit needs to be a. Playmaker if if, this if
we're gonna have success this, year our defense needs to
be so dynamic and our back End miles up, Front

(01:06:23):
Mason graham up, front but our back end needs to
be like turnover. Machines, yep that's what needs to. Happen
you need to have some pick, Six we need to have.
Interceptions you got to do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
It, Yeah we're gonna and put ourselves in in good.
Positions number four for, Me i've bet a. Bone i'm
gonna stay away from running backs in this. Five, okay
we don't know what it is. Yet, yeah AND i
still feel like With Dylan sampson And Jerome, ford like
it's not a bad. Room it's not what we were
hoping it was gonna. Be but then, again it might.

(01:06:52):
Be we just don't. Know So i'm that's Why i'm
keeping that one out of it BECAUSE i just don't
know what that's gonna. Be another one THAT i don't
have in that people probably would say maybe you should
have in is how quickly Can Carson sweessinger be in?
THERE i think this is a real issue the line backing,
room you know with it no J, okay you Know

(01:07:14):
sweah or you draft them thirty third, overall like you
need an immediate. Impact you, know Can haul And Mason
graham get it going on the d. Line BUT i
don't think those are the most. PRESSING i think number
four is Is Dustin hopkins. BACK i think we're going
to play a lot OF i think when we, WIN
i think we're going to be winning in close games

(01:07:36):
where it's ball, control no, mistakes run the, football hit
some shots when they're, there play really really good, defense
and like to win in. Those the year we went
to the, playoffs you, know D hop was money and
helped us win a lot of those type of. Games,
Yeah SO i think that that's that's that's a big.
One is d hop back to be in D? Hop
number three is who is the number two wide? Receiver

(01:07:59):
who is number three wide? Receiver, like do we have
a legitimate group of playmakers there and you have them
the leading Can it would be Obviously tilman And Deontay,
Johnson But tilman has health issues And Deontay johnson Has
i'm here on the league minimum, issues and why is
that the case When i'm a former pro bowler who's
still in their. Prime so you, know As thrash stepped,

(01:08:20):
up is can anybody step? Up is that room?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Sufficient?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Yeah the number two question for me is the offensive,
Line not so much the, starters but the. Depth you,
know if there is an, injury Is Zach ziner ready to?
Go Is Luke whippler back from his broken? Leg Tevin
jenkins ready to? Go started a lot of games at,
tackle It's Cornelius. Lucas and then who's the fourth? Tackle

(01:08:45):
is there a viable fourth?

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Tackle?

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah and then obviously now you have on the before
you get to the big, one which we've talked about a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Lot the wide receiver questions are. Massive the playmaker questions are,
massive AND i think you can get some of that
as we've talked about a lot tight ends With fannin
and chief, like they can give You mismatcheduffs and. Fanom,
essentially it'll be kind of a de facto receiver by the,
time all of a, SUDDEN i agree with, that but
you still gotta have you have to have somebody out.
Tilman if tilman can give you what he gave you

(01:09:14):
in that stretch last. Year, yeah he's. Great that's a
Nice you need. That, yeah you really need that out of.
Him so that's. Critical and then up front you mentioned
the depth part on the offensive, line but like your
starters at, tackle think About jack last year in camp
with all the injuries he dealt. With remember'm getting off
the plane at The, greenbrier think about dwand, yeah like

(01:09:34):
you got to. Play we need seventeen. Games, yeah out
of these. Guys so there's it's. Massive and then of
course go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Ahead number, One number one's. Quarterback who is the quarterback?
Starting what is the? Plan when will we see the?
Rookies will we see the? Rookies what does it look?
Like are we able to operate? Effectively all of? It that's, It,
like that's that's where we're.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
At i'm going to be so fascinated by the first
open camp Is, Thursday, Friday, Friday, Thursday, Friday, Friday, Friday,
friday two. O'clock so that's the one we'll be able to.
See i'm so fascinated to see the, order the amount of,
reps what they're, repping who they're throwing, to who they're,

(01:10:18):
blocking for because there just isn't enough time to do.
This WHEN i talked To kevin in that final conversation
we had before we kicked off for, SUMMER i said
that straight to. Him i'm, like this isn't seventy five
what he hayes one hundred and fifty guys on the
roster to today practices sometimes three a. Days he's got a,
finite finite amount of time that he's got to get

(01:10:39):
a lot of work done and get a view of
who these guys. Are and he can't be messing around
with Making every rep has to be accounted. For. Yep
every rep's. Critical it's. Critical so if you're out here On,
friday pay attention to, that pay attention to who's playing with,
who pay attention to how much they're playing with other,

(01:10:59):
people pay attention To and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
How is it evolving absolute time based on? Performance does
it change practice to?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Practice? RIGHT i think they're the ones here in the
beginning you could, see, Right but at some POINT i
think we're going to settle.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
In, Right we're going to settle into.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Well you guys will be In carolina Early, August, like
what's that look?

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Like joint?

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Practices to?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Me do not feel like you're certainly not going to
waste any reps. There but at the same, time it
feels very important to me that if you, believe you,
know the young guys have an opportunity to maybe, play
you need to see them in those real competitive situations
against real.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Opponents.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Yes, yeah so it's a tough thing getting all of
these guys ready to actually have a, competition but then
also getting one of them ready to start Against, Cincinnati,
Baltimore Green, Bay, Detroit, minnesota And.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Pittsburgh by the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Way you say what you, Want we don't know ABOUT
jj McCarthy. There that's a defense Under Brian flores that
gets after the Quarterback blitze more than. Anybody that's going
to be a full Day cincinnati their, defense we don't
know if they're going to have their guys up. Front
maybe that's the easiest one you, have might. Be baltimore
finished the season is the best defense in THE nfl
basically over the back half of the. Year detroit is
a monster, defense Green bay is an excellent, defense and
The steelers are always an excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Defense yeah, always all, right you gotta go meet with.
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buddy we are. Here it does feel awful early to

(01:13:15):
me to do, this to get back into this, thing
BUT i guess here we. Are where is your headspace
as this team heads to camp already some of these guys,
reported but heads to first practices here On wednesday and
first open training camp practice by the time we get To, Friday.

Speaker 11 (01:13:29):
Well my headspace bow is a. Foundation it's about landa.
Foundation last year you did not lay a. Foundation we
had a situation where guys were openly saying that they
were in, shape weren't ready to go in the course
of a, season not the first week or, two but
like four or five games into. It SO i say to, myself,
foundation here's an. Opportunity whether it's been extremely, hot that's
a great thing for our football team and lay the.

(01:13:51):
Foundation and that means going out there and exerting yourself
BECAUSE i don't get it. BOTH i don't get why
people think when you have success that you take off
you work harder because everyone's going to have to do
there's no room for, rest no ones. Laurels so it's
about working even. Harder and with us obviously going three and,
fourteen teams are going to sleep on us and not
take a Serious but here's an opportunity again to lay the.

(01:14:12):
Foundation so that's What i'm paying attention to the level
of exertion and just intensity it's going to be taking
place at training.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Camp how did your headspace change over the years of
YOUR nfl career from maybe what you thought training camp
was as an as a young, player to by the
time you were a, veteran your, approach how did it
change for?

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
You, well it was always grueling because we had double,
days so there was no way of escaping that unless
you were just a starter and you were littified and
you had the liberty of, saying you know, WHAT i
don't feel like going. Today but as you once surround
yourself with a winning organization and winning football, teams what
you learn is that you never let your foot off

(01:14:50):
the gas, pedal and that you're always applying, yourself that
you're always in the mindset of we have to exert
ourselves because that's where championships are won and their law
in the process of not going out. There so over
TIME i just realized, that, hey this is how you
win football. Games this is how you win any team.
Sport you have to work hard than the other guys
in the competition and apply yourself in training camps opportunity

(01:15:13):
to do that because it's a foundation for the entirety
of the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Season, yeah it, is AND i think for this team
especially you mentioned you know last year and kind of
the way all of that, went and guys weren't all
the way there right away the way they needed to
be it does feel like if we're going to have
success this, Year, girod there is going to be a
brand of ball that we have to play that is
defensively physical and punch you in the mouth and turning

(01:15:37):
the ball. Over and they're gonna have to be the
opposite of that offensively because we don't have playmakers. Everywhere
SO i think this is a team that's going to
have to be very much a punch you in the mouth.
Team can you do that without being a punch your
mouth team in practice and training?

Speaker 11 (01:15:53):
Camp, no it's. Impossible how are you going to execute
something in the course of a football game if you're
not operation with that mindset during the course.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
Of the week.

Speaker 11 (01:16:02):
Practice that's where it's all. Built you're you're right on
point with what you have to. THINK i, mean we're
gonna see a situation there's nothing wrong with, it Because
i'm gonna tell YOU i literally won A Super bowl
with that approach of field, position trench warfare style of
football and it still works in this day and. Age
did we not return of the running game beat pre
eminent last year of the football, World so, again don't beat.

(01:16:25):
Yourself and how many times last year did we watch
games and say we beat. OURSELVES i could tell you
at least six or seven l's that took place last
year simply a mistakes made more on our part than
what the other team was. Doing so that right there
is just a distant brand of practice in which guys
aren't making mistakes and you're seeing that during.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
The course of the.

Speaker 11 (01:16:43):
Week couple with the idea, that, yes it's gonna be,
grueling we're going to out tough. You and the last
TIME i, checked you can't out tough dudes by having cupcake.
Practices it don't work that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Way, no it. Doesn't it. Doesn't obviously all of our
attention by the time we get to the open practice On,
friday and really over the next several weeks and months of,
summer here is the quarterback competition and what does that
look like as a? PLAYER i obviously you didn't have
to deal with this In New, england but were there

(01:17:17):
Other were there places where you were in the middle
of a quarterback competition in your? Career?

Speaker 11 (01:17:22):
Oh, YEAH i experienced it In New orleans and for
about a week between The Super bowl and THE Afc,
championship there was a mini controversy regarding a quarterback, competition
whether or Not Drew blesso Or Tom brady was still
going to. Play So i've been down that path, before
and at some point this is WHAT i do. Know
someone has to be defined as a, starter someone has

(01:17:44):
to be the focal point of the. Offense you don't
want that type of uncertainty because when you have that
type of, uncertainty you can split into. Factions Oh i'm
on Team, Flaco i'm On Team, Schedure i'm on Team,
Gabriel i'm on Team. Ticket all those teams can become,
possibility and you could divide your. Team in this case in,
quarters let alone has. Right so you don't want. That

(01:18:06):
at some, point, AGAIN i give. IT i give it
coming out of The carolina practice as when we really
should know and want to know that who the guy
is and he's defined. Himself but here's the. Problem, well
if that guy has too bad practices and games leading
up to, that then that puts it all right back
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Mix, Agan, well the REASON i asked this is one
of the AND i deal with this far more in
college THAN i do in THE. Nfl BUT i deal
with it in. College it feels like every year AT
o highest state WHEN i when they have these, conversations
and one of the things you hear when you talk to,
coaches one of the most common things you hear is
you can't fool the. Room and at that, position the
room will tell you who the starter is by the

(01:18:45):
way they, play by the way they, practice by their body,
language and when you try to fool the, room it's fool's.
Gold it ends. Poorly so In New orleans when you
were in one of those The New england, things totally
that's a wild. Situation In New, england we were there
on that First Super bowl. Team But orleans when they
had quarterback, competitions how did the coaches manage the room

(01:19:06):
telling them who it, was even if they maybe had
a different view of what it, Was, well they didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:19:12):
Care they did a poor. Job they made it about
what they want to, do their, agenda and they didn't
read the. Room it was, like bump the, Room we're
gonna do what we want to. Do we drafted this,
guy we want this guy to be the focal point
of our football, team and who cares if this other
guy is clearly. Better so that was one of those
situations where it was, like, no we have an agenda
and we're going to receive his agenda through and the
end result was l's upon l's upon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
L's who were the who are the quarterbacks in The
New orleans? Situation, jarrotte if you can you just REMIND.

Speaker 11 (01:19:41):
I want to Say Danny warfle was. INVOLVED i want to, say,
Oh Billy Joe cobert was. Involved, yeah and maybe Even
hobert Or talverb was probably. Involved and ALL i still
want to, Say Jake dello may be, Involved.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Okay, yeah and in one of Those, yeah it's one
of those things where like and that's WHY i like
and this is what we've been, Saying, LIKE i, know
we've had a lot of fun here with like the
quarterback rep counter in mini camp and all of those.
Things but these reps that are going to start here
On wednesday when they have their first training camp practice

(01:20:23):
and that we'll get a real view of them On.
Friday every single rep is. Critical the quality of the
rep is. Critical who you're repping against, matters what you're repping.
Matters like you're in a situation here where like it's
impossible to get four guys. Ready it just is there's
not enough. Time you had two a. Days that doesn't exist.

(01:20:44):
Anymore it's. Over you got an hour more in twenty,
minutes and then it. Wasn't so like they've got to
be very efficient with their decisions here and how they
give people. Reps the idea that you can have a
four person quarterback competition in THE, NFL i just don't
know how you possibly. Could it's truly wide, open.

Speaker 11 (01:21:02):
Right, right because, again at some point those reps are
gonna get two, pressures and you just, skin how can
a guy who's if you're going to get the, quarterback
who's seen majority of, reps who's gonna be better prepared
to win a football? Game it just comes down to the,
map Right but, also just to tell you how messed
up it was In New, ORLEANS i have probably two
or three of these quarterback competitions BECAUSE i forgot About Heath.

(01:21:24):
SHOOLER i forgot about, gosh what Was cherry's? Man he played.

Speaker 7 (01:21:27):
Here i've got your whole list, here. Guys oh he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
It gives got? It go, ahead give?

Speaker 7 (01:21:32):
It were you there in ninety six or ninety, seven
your first year ninety, Six Jim everett And Doug. Nussmeyer,
wow he his, kids the quarterback OF.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Lsu, yeah his.

Speaker 7 (01:21:46):
Kids the quarterback OF lsu ninety seven Was Heath, Shuler
Billy Joe, Hobert Danny, warful And doug Nuss. Meyer ninety
eight Was Carrie. Collins, danny you Had Billy Joe tolliver
And Billy Joe. HOBERT i thought he was kidding them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Both he had them. BOTH i was kidding you had them,
both had them.

Speaker 7 (01:22:09):
Both and then he and then in ninety nine he
Had Billy Joe, T Billy joe h And Jake. Delone
that's a lot of. Quarterback hold on just a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Second that's the Most louisiana quarterback room in the history Of.
Louisiana you Had Billy Joe, Tolliver Billy Joe, hobert and
And Jake. Delane, yeah, yes, Yes like you go To
commander's palace with that group and that's. Regulars that's. Unreal

(01:22:41):
that is Un.

Speaker 11 (01:22:44):
Imagine the parallels or just so matter affected into the
spectrum from that situation To New, England.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Dude imagine the parallels In New orleans and this kind
of fits into where what we're trying to do now
When New orleans lands, Breeze, yeah they're. Lost, yeah it's
an organization that's lost in the wilderness and then they
land breeze and it's it's never the. Same now you
don't have to worry about it for a, decade fifteen,
years you have to worry about, it Right and they

(01:23:14):
were you just you just named like twelve guys in four, Years. Gibbie,
YEAH i mean that's wild.

Speaker 11 (01:23:29):
That's.

Speaker 7 (01:23:29):
Crazy we have all of.

Speaker 11 (01:23:30):
That. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Yeah SO i guess when you when you're out, here
and you'll be out here On, Friday i'm sure where
what are you looking for with those four?

Speaker 11 (01:23:39):
Quarterbacks but WHEN i saw In OTA's in mini, Camp
i'm one looking at The, okay if she is still
throwing at seventy percent clips and he's doing that still
with pads, on at some point he's gonna have to
get some. Rests with the, One i'll be looking a
see him at that. Happened and then as far as

(01:24:00):
the other guys, Concerned i'm looking At Joe flacko to, See,
okay he just kind of in the. Background we're going
to get more reps and. Opportunities and With gabriel And,
pickett all, right did you make a jump over the
course of being off as far as the understanding of
the playbook and, execution because in my mind right, now
they're the leaders in the clubhouse based, appointed free, agency,

(01:24:22):
acquisition and draft. Position so those GUYS i think have
the best chance to solidify. Themselves what's gonna come down
to making plays because as you alluded to, earlier it
is about simply put making plays and putting guys in
position to. Succeed because you're not doing, that guys aren't
gonna follow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
You all, right let's go to the other side of the. Ball,
Defensively swessinger is going to have to be in a big. Role,
obviously he was drafted the top of the second. Round
he's gonna have to be a dude right. Away he
was great in many camp no, pads but look great
especially With jokay. Out what we'll let you know in

(01:24:58):
the first couple of weeks from you were a second round.
Pick you know what that's, like and you know that
there's a lot expected of. You what do you want
to see from him to lead you to believe that
he's going to be just?

Speaker 11 (01:25:08):
FINE i want to and it is the funny. Thing
so back to, day we had what was called goal line.
Drill we don't have that, anymore, well we don't have
run drill, anymore so far as seeing level of, physicality
won't be able to really assess that to the actually
games take.

Speaker 9 (01:25:25):
Place BUT i do.

Speaker 11 (01:25:27):
Want to see for him just really being in the
right place in the right, time and he was doing
that during mini, camps SO i think he's going his
way with that and for a guy like him with his.
Story but the last thing you worry, About Tenna shineway from.
Contact he is what you call a go, getter And
i'm gonna make the assumption that he's gonna be all
over the, place flying. Around so really you just want
to see a continuation of. That you have a great opportunity,

(01:25:48):
here take full advantage of it because obviously we're trying
to replace right now temporarily a star that J okay
was certainly on his way to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Being, yes he.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Was so that's the second round running. Back you AND
i have talked all this, time And nathan talked kind
of all summer about the first round pick fourth, Overall Mason.
Graham people, say what what are you going to tell
us About Mason. Graham i'm, like, look, dude he was
at mini, camp there was no. Pads he's a. Dtackle
there's not much to, See like it's hard to. See
so when they do, right like what AM i walking? For?

(01:26:19):
Man like he's a d, tackle there's not. Much so
when the pads do go, On AND i, mean this
is the guy who wrecked The Ohio State michigan, game
like wrecked it right?

Speaker 11 (01:26:29):
Right what what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Do you want to see out of him to lead
you to believe that that was the right way to
go at?

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Four?

Speaker 11 (01:26:35):
Overall you said it right, there the same dynamic where
you cannot block. Them and we've seen situations with pads
on with the offensive lineman versus the defensive line where
they sin they couldn't block a. GUY i think About
Mike Hall. Junior there were moments last year remember when
he was unblockbles and then Obviously miles pretty much brings
out to the table when he has on as. Well
so you really want to see a situation where posted is,

(01:26:58):
like you know, WHAT i need some double team healthier
on these. Guards and if you're seeing that when one's versus,
one we're in a great, situation especially when we scrimmage
Against carolina and The eagles and with they're in particular
eagles off of the, line and he's still putting that
same type of work out. There we have struck. Gold

(01:27:18):
if that's, occurring.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Let me ask you, this this is a season in.
Transition you're trying to get younger on the. Roster you're
going to add a lot more picks next year. Too
when you think of guys Like denzel And miles And Joel,
teller those guys that have been around a long, time
that have been in the organization from a long, time
what do you what do we need to see from
them leadership wise over the course of the next three

(01:27:42):
or four.

Speaker 9 (01:27:42):
Weeks they have to set the simple you keep on
hearing me if you list alone of talk about, foundation,
foundation foundation and establishing.

Speaker 11 (01:27:52):
How we're going to play football in a tough. Mindset
it starts with those. Guys they're the senior members of their,
team and they're the highest paid the, teams and they
their most visible members of the. Team so what does that?
Mean that means guys are looking at, them especially young,
guys and whatever they've. Seen are they seeing guys paying
the price working, there you know what's? Off or do
they see guys just going through the motion trying to

(01:28:13):
get through training. Camp because if this is just guys
trying to get through training, camp then nothing's. Changed but
if it's guys who are like committed to, excellence if
it's guys that are busting and you know what and
very demonstrative verbally and physically of how they need to
play at a very physical, level then we're in a great.
Space i'm here to tell you. Both you can win
eight or nine football games in THE. Nfl it's just

(01:28:35):
After pittsburgh too is by not making mistakes and being
more physical than the other. Teams you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
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mix in a lot of. Ways so much more to.
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Gerard various things that he was looking. About, actually the
most entertaining thing is listen to this quarterback room that
he had In New. Orleans Billy Joe, Tolliver Billy Joe,
HOBERT i, believe, okay And jake Delom is that the

(01:30:16):
Most louisiana quarterback room in the history.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Those, Names but, no because there's one more that would
have needed to be in that room which would have
been possible.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
With The, saints which would have Been Bobby. A Bobby
Bobby a probably retired at that point ninety, four ninety
five years in the. Mix this has been like ninety eight. Nine, Yeah, Hobert,
Tolliver delom and coming off the heels Of. Abert do
you Remember delome's nickname From, burman, UH i want to go.

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Home wanted to make me want a? Delam he was.
Great that was a good. One so. Good, yeah that
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