Cowboys Break: Altered the Play

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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Ready for a break?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, and so much for that.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
It is Tuesday, October fourteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
episode number fifty seven. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
All right, let's go, let's talk a little Cowboys football.
It's a rec that day when we start moving the
conversation for six day.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
Yeah, as a reset day, we're gonna we're gonna start
moving the conversation forward.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
In the second segment, Brian is gonna have some games
for us inside the brain of Brian brought Us and
that should be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
In the third segment, you more calm today.

Speaker 7 (01:20):
Okay, yesterday you were a little heated.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, he almost broke this.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Went live, So that's today, that is true. Are you
an angry person? We need to talk?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
And are you an angry person?

Speaker 6 (01:33):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
You gotta know your teammates. You know, you gotta what
you're trying to say. Try your teammates off side every
once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
You did yesterday. You kind of got me a little heated.
You trying to make it seem like I was saying
I was surprised by if you were surprised, I was nuts.
I was looking right at that camera when I said that.
Every one of you went, I.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Mean because you was wrong. You would tell you why
that is right?

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Because Brian, where he starts, he starts, he starts baiting you,
but then you won't.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Let you talk.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So he's baiting you, but he won't let you talk.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Tell me why Dak Prest is the worst quarterback and
tell me why, right, tell me right, no, no, no,
But that's the problem there, that's the problem. We put
a lot of money in this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's funny, but he gets you, get to work with
you a long time. You should know that, all right,
here's what we're going to do.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
In the first segment, though, I do want to talk
about the NFC East. It's gotten pretty interesting here over
the last over this last weekend because everybody in the
division except for the Giants, who are sitting at the
bottom of the division lost.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Uh it would win for the Giants.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Absolutely is a good one went for the Giants, and
quite frankly, and this is what a little bit of
what I want to talk about right now. If you
look at how the teams are performing in the NFC East,
you gotta think the Giants aren't really out of this
thing that they are seeming to summons a little bit
of what I call that magic that the Cowboys had
in twenty sixteen. You get a brand new play caller,
I'm sorry, my new quarterback, brand new running back, and

(03:02):
they have a little flare to them. They can play football,
but they have a little bit of flare to them.
So it creates a little bit of excitement and I
think it actually injects energy into a team. And you're
seeing that right now. For defensive front in New York
that already has talent, I think now they're starting to
believe maybe we can win that becomes a very dangerous team.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Man? You know, that's the thing about these young guys
is there's not a whole bunch of film on them,
and you don't really know how they get down really early.
But you know, the more film comes out, the more
those those powers just kind of go away. I don't
want to sound like a hater, but Jackson Dartist is
playing better than Russell cam And look, there's a lot
of people say, well Voch scatter Bowl looked like a
first round pick. Oh you he looked like a running

(03:45):
back that could be drafted late and do well in
the league. Shotside them, he's doing just fine. I think
the Giants to do. They're on pace. They're on pace.
You know, the Eagles playing bad could do a lot
to do. You know, they could have a lot to
do with it. I'm not fearing the Giants, but boy,
like I said, you know, you know you are good
enough on offense to compete with everybody, but your defense
is bad enough to compete with anybody. So if you

(04:07):
see the Giants again, I wouldn't be surprised if they
go back out there and do what they did see
last week. But with this, you know, with these with
these young guys.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm kind of thinking right now, I don't know how
bad the Eagles are because the Giants went lost to
the Saints, you know, so I don't know. I mean,
I I I'm not surprised though, that Jackson Dart's having
some success. I'm really not. I felt I was a
fan of Dart, and I'm saying this in a way
that I felt like that after their opening season, there

(04:37):
was some there were some questions about, you know, with
with Brian Dayball and his like he said he was
after week one he was kind of keeping the quarterback
starter door open, and I'm like, great, time start him
against Dallas, say what you got. And then Russ came
out and had a really nice game against you. And
then the following week Russ went back to being Russ.

(04:58):
So I I think that the I do agree with you, Derek.
I think they're finding their way. I'll tell you where
the Giants have got me a little nervous. Is that
front's pretty good. That front is something you're going to
have to deal with in the future going forward. And
that's the thing. If they find their quarterback. They got
a running back that's kind of just captured everybody's imagination

(05:19):
with his his his play and his just craziness. It's
it's it's like it's like a frat boy mentality that
they have there with the Giants right now. When you
look at Dart and Scataboo, they're just kind of that
energy is is kind of been something that the city
and the team really really needed. And but I don't
know in this division how good the Eagles really are.

(05:41):
I mean there's I think there's some some questions about them.
Well we're going to dive into tape this week about
the Commanders this division. Man, you you let one get away,
this pass weege, You just really let one because you
just don't know when you're going to get more opportunities
like this to take advantage of the situation with the
Eagles and the Commanders. Everybody losing.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
I mean those are like three already. Like you let
a way get away.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
That's upsets right there. I mean that's you know, for
the Bears to go into Washington and win that game,
that's an upset right there. Give the Bears some credit
for the way they play, but this this division is
clearly wide open right now.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Yeah, Yeah, go Giants.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
I mean, anytime you beat the Eagles, happy, and I
feel more confident facing the Giants than facing the Eagles.
And we're gonna have to play them both, obviously, but
you gotta do a little more to impress me. I'm
not that easily impressed. It was impressive the fact that

(06:38):
they beat the Eagles with that final score being thirty
four points on the scoreboard, But at the same time, like, okay,
keep doing it. Be more, you know, let's see if
they do get on a roll. I mean, and I
speak this way because right now I am far more
concerned about what we got going on internally, yeah, than

(06:58):
what is happening on the division right now. Obviously you
want to keep track of that because oh well, where
are you positioned. But at the same time, do I
feel confident. Not even if we get there, we're gonna
have the the staff, the material, the players to actually

(07:21):
put up a really good fight. So right now I'm
not very confident about it. So uh, but it is
always exciting when I see the Eagles louse.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
For sure, you were actually driving towards a really good point.
I thought you was gonna finish it. The part about
the Giants that was that was really impressive to me
is that they scored on the Eagles defense. I think
Jalen Hurst is bad. It just is what. I just
don't think he's good consistently. He'll have a good game
here there. If he schemed up, probably I think he
goof his hell. But the but the Giants being able
to put up points offensively, that's the part that kind

(07:53):
of shot me. So when you see the Cowboys again
with a horrible uh uh defensive unit, then that's that
could be the part that's kind of weird for you.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
But with the way that the way that Derek asked
this question, what do you say about the division? I
was kind of thinking that the front office was going
to wait and see how the next two or three
games went.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I heard that question, you asked Steven the other day.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, and Stephen like he swatted it right out of
the air. He said, listen, if we have the opportunity,
we'll make a move. You guys on board now with
way you've seen the division, even with the state of
your defense, are you on board with go ahead and
making the deal regardless? Because I was thinking I didn't
want to make a deal if the team was going nowhere.
I didn't want to. I didn't want to give up

(08:35):
premium assets or players if the team was not going anywhere.
But the way the division is, you know, and your defense,
you probably need more than one player, but maybe you're
getting some guys back off injury and maybe if you
do add one more player, just the way the division,
you guys feel any different about that?

Speaker 8 (08:54):
Well, real quick before diving into that conversation, looking at Clowney,
can you give an assessment of what he has done
until this time?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Fifty third player on my and I know, and I
was doing a thing with Jeff Cavanaugh this morning and
we were talking about he really liked the way that
Clowney has been playing, and I said, man, I just
can't go there right now. I just feel like that
maybe that's your fifty third guy and you're going to
have to have some roster spots here coming up. So
you know, proved me wrong, but I just, like I said,

(09:26):
I'm thinking linebackers, I really am. I'm thinking linebackers. Go
find me if someone if a Roquan Smith Chicago Bears
back in the day, not rokwand Smith now because he's
with the team, but back in the day you had
an opportunity to go get something like that, I would
sure damn consider right now. And earlier I was kind

(09:47):
of like, well, let's see, let's see what this team
really really is. But with the state of this division,
maybe you can go make something happen if you go
out a player or two.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
I don't think my opinion has changed. We had this
a similar conversation last week. I don't think my opinion
has changed necessarily. I would be very, very leary about
giving up one of those first round picks, and last
night did a lot to show me why. If you
watched the Atlanta Falcons last night, the pressure that they're
able to apply, mainly because this last draft they said,

(10:19):
we got two first round picks and we're about to
go get some dogs, and now they can apply pressure.
You can you can remake a defensive unit. With the
number of first round picks Dallas has coming up over
the next two years, you could remake your defense. I
saw the Cowboys do it in two thousand and five
when they had Marcus Spears and DeMarcus where that defense
was deplorable before that point and all of a sudden,

(10:40):
now they are and they were set for years to come,
and then you use some of the later round picks
even to get guys. You got a can and you
got a Kevin Burnett. You got a lot of guys.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
That could, yeah, that rat up, that could that could
fill roles for you.

Speaker 6 (10:52):
And I'm just I am of the belief that if
you're going to pass on a guy like Michael Parsons,
the way you really make that effective is you take
those picks and you turn them into transformative moves. And
I don't know unless again, unless you're telling me I'm
going to go and get a guy that has the
bakeup or the profile of really great player still in

(11:16):
his first contract that I know I can sign for
the future. That would be the only scenario I'm willing
to even talk about those first round picks. Otherwise, I'm
looking at guys who are in their thirties still playing
good football, but in their thirties. I'm trying to rent
him for a year or two, maybe three, and I
think I can get better play than what I'm getting
right now. That's the only kind of kind of deals

(11:39):
I'm trying to make right now. Again, unless that one
falls into your lap, where it is just a really
great player, still in his first contract. The team doesn't
really want to keep him, they don't think they can
sign him, and Dallas does think they can sign him. Yes,
then it's worth going out and spending some of those
first rounds, some of that first round capital. Otherwise, I
just I'm not willing.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, Jerry Jones on the rail, it is more. And
to say that nothing is untouchable, I think he lied.
I'm saying that on the microphones that he paid for.
I think Derek is onto something, and I'm I'm right
there with him. I think that they they made this
trade and some attempt to get a whole bunch of dudes,
like that's their thing, right, Oh we can get Micah,
but we can get five guys. And I think their

(12:16):
way of getting five guys is are those picks or
taking one of those picks and trading back and now
you got like another couple of tools in there that
you can you know, because you lost your three with
pickings or whatever. Right, I think that that's kind of
how they're gonna approach it. I don't know, I don't
have any numbers in my phone, but that's what I
would do as of you know as of now, Me, Me, Brian,
and derekan Amber are all fought together last week because

(12:38):
he wants to go and get a dude. Dude, I'll
take a five and just get a really good player
right now. I don't want to keep saying the same
old thing, rad I don't. You don't need to be special,
you just need to be good enough. And I love man.
I'm sorry. If I'm dispecting anybody and they listen, I apologize.
I'm being I've watched the film and I'm trying to
be honest. If you give me a linebacker that's better

(12:59):
than Murray, you give me a pass rush that's better
than Sam Williams or like Clowny or something like that,
you give me some safeties want to have to. I
wouldn't even go safety because I think safety you'll get
better if your pass rushing, your linebackers are better. Right,
But if you could just do something to just deal
in that front seven, I think you get a little better.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Let me up just a second.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
You think that some of the issues, and I'm not
trying to call out a specific person, but you think
some of the issues that they've had at safety will
will improve just by a linebacker and pass rush because
I look at some of the safety issues, some of
the busted coverages which we've seen almost almost every game,
we see at least one of these, right, I believe

(13:38):
that's not a reflection of necessarily the other guys. That's
just maybe its scheme, maybe twenty what they're being asked
to do.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
But I don't know that that's That's an area where
I'll put it.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Like this, if you told me right now, I could
go out and get myself a really good safety and
I could give up a fourth round pick. I don't
know something like that. I would be very interested in
that as I am.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I want to range. I want a rangey safety that
can play on the back end. That's what I want.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't know where those guys are. I don't know
where those guys are, and I don't know if a
team that has them wants to give those dudes away. Plus,
I just think that the easiest like safety, is the
easiest fix out of everything else. Like if I had
three picks to use, I would use like a linebacker
and two d linemen. I wouldn't even think to use safety.
I think the best way to deal with safety is
to make sure that Donovan's not covering Toy McMillan in

(14:25):
man or match however they was in there, and just
make sure everything else is kind of sealed up.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
If you want you're talking it's more of a scheme issue.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Sure, if you want to say it like that. Just
if I had limited resources, I would rather go linebacker,
edge d line rather than safety. Safety is like luxury
when you looking at how bad you are everywhere.

Speaker 8 (14:43):
Else well, And the reason why asked the question earlier
about Clowny and going back to the point you were
trying to make, I know it's not necessarily comparable because
you're asking for a player that's slightly better than Clowney
and what he but what he was brought in, he
was expected to create some kind of difference.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
And he hasn't.

Speaker 8 (15:05):
So my question was leaning towards even if you get
a player that's slightly better, is it enough. Is it
enough to bring in a guy like that and plug
it into this current defense or are you going back
to now you're just wasting those capital capital from the draft.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
So here's another question, and I might be teasing this
on the other side of the break for Derek, look
at you I thought more of Clowney and Sam and
Dante and as far as last week go and Kenny
Clark and oohso dig zue. So even if we go
get some character in the West coast or the Midwest,
maybe it's something else going on in here. That's the

(15:46):
reason that they not bad. But we'll talk about this
more on the other side of it.

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We'll take a break, we'll come back, and we'll get
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Speaker 6 (18:12):
We're in the second segment of the Break Life and
that's WBC Mortgage Studios at the start. I have a
good conversation here about the defense and watch. Before we
went to break you threw out a question. You want
to restate that question for us real quick until we
got Bryan.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
So Ambar to your point. Ambar was basically saying, just
in case anybody driving around watching his live and just
jump back in. Ambar was you know, saying, Hey, you know,
you could use your capital to go get a guy.
But what makes you think because of all the you know,
just all the answers that we've been looking for as
of now, what makes you think that even if you
did go and get some help, that you wouldn't just

(18:44):
be wasting your resource because those guys aren't aren't aren't working.
Would you get the same result that you get from Clowny?
And that just made me think I thought much higher,
much higher of you know, Clowny from his last two
years or Fouler from his last year. Everybody thought the
sound was going to show up and be a guy
for you. SAMD was that in one year, got like
four sax in like two games. It was like, all right, man, Sam,
there's gonna be something in this year that we think

(19:06):
Sam is in now, So like, is it something that's
going on? No, but is it something that's going on
in the house, Dey're excited? Is this something going on
about the house in the house, right, Derek? Is something
going on in the house that's making players less than
what we thought they were gonna be.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, no, I'm not gonna answer that question because I
got another thought for you.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Oh damn, what you want to say?

Speaker 6 (19:26):
We've heard so much about the biggest problem with this
defense is communication. Right, So to ambers point, if you
go out and get a linebacker or a safety that
understands the defense and has the ability to make everybody
else around him have a better understanding of what they're
doing in each play, does that improve this defense more

(19:47):
than actually getting a player who is a great technician.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
You can have Ray Lewis saying, hey, Marshaun, don't get
blocked by that damn tight end and it happened anyway.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
Yeah, but on the back end all those busts, if
you got somebody that really understands the defense, that's like Trayvon.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
To be fair, you're over here, counter is coming right there, right,
maybe you can do.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
My point is, I do wonder if if communication really
And by the way, I'm not one that totally believes
communication is the biggest issue. I know that other people
are saying it. My point is, if communication is the
biggest issue, do you solve a lot of that if
you go out and get someone who is a very
smart player, understands the defense and not only knows his role,
but knows everybody else's role. To make sure everybody's in

(20:34):
the right spot, to make sure everybody understands what they're
doing and has a way of communicating that to his teammates.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
That becomes a coach on the field. Does that solve
a lot.

Speaker 8 (20:41):
Of the problem you're telling right We thought, well, you're
telling us that nobody on the team right now, how's
the ability to understand, communicate, translate?

Speaker 6 (20:58):
If you're saying you have this, If you're saying that
the major problem with this defense that is operating at
the level that they're operating is communication, then yes, I
question whether there is anybody in positions And again there's
certain positions where you can influence that more than others.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
A defensive tackle.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Is going to have a hard time communicating that to everybody.
A linebacker sees everything, should be able to communicate everything.
A safety should see everything, be able to communicate to everyone.
Quarterbacks on one side, he may not see everything to
be able to communicate to the other side.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
If you had a safety or a linebacker and your
biggest problem is communication, does a smart player who understands
the defense and understands in this type of scheme, what
everybody's doing. Does he solve a lot of those problems?

Speaker 7 (21:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
I have a hard time believing that out of that
whole group, no one has a mental capacity to.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
Do that kind of role.

Speaker 8 (21:51):
And my thing is, again, it helps when you have
a bettering guy with the experience that's able to, hey,
let me soak up what you're saying, and now let
me give it back to everybody else on the field.
But at the same time, I mean, who's to say
that the leader of the voice, the one giving those commands,
truly understands the defense.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
And I think you're proving my point. My point is
I don't know thatdication. But what I'm saying is, then
if that's the case, if you don't believe that there's
anybody that that right now, there are players on this
team who understand the scheme, who can communicate it effectively,
and they're in positions where they can do that for
the team, then communication, but it would be their biggest.

Speaker 8 (22:32):
Just for the argument, just for the argument, since this
is all hypothesis, you're my leader right in the workplace, in.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Some in some in some in some capacity, so you
decide not to But if you keep.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Telling me to do.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
I work for a long time.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
You just give up.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You just say, hey, do you lead us?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Wix right?

Speaker 6 (22:59):
And I'm like the moment to Domuch by the way,
it goes like this, the moment you start messing up,
this moment, I'm gonna start saying something.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
As long as you're not messing up.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Man, do you think your business.

Speaker 8 (23:09):
Point if let's say what you're telling me, it's a
bunch of gibberish, and you yourself don't really understand or
you know, because sometimes it's hard when you don't fully
believe something and are fully committed into the game plan
or that you have created, it's hard for you to

(23:29):
translate that to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Are you trying to say that?

Speaker 7 (23:32):
You think I'm not trying to say nothing. You can
interpret that however you want.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Okay, talking to this man like this, No, do you
see what?

Speaker 6 (23:41):
You see what she's going? You see what she's going like,
I don't. I don't know if I buy that. I
don't know that I buy it. I would say this
if it was a first and if you're and granted.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Hold on real quick, just to make a clarify something.

Speaker 8 (23:52):
I'm not talking based on anything that I've I've seen
exactly in the or heard per se. But I'm just
giving another hypothesis.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
If you're saying that you think that coaching doesn't fully
know how to present it to the players, then my
question would become, this is not a staff that doesn't
have experience. This is not a staff that hasn't at
some point been successful in the NFL being.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Able to coordinate a defense.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
So if that's the case, why all of a sudden
now can they not effectively communicate the defense that they've
had success within the past and been able to communicate
like that would be my question.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
Good point.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think there's a guy that's really smart and the
last administration thought he was really smart and he picked
it up real fast in the one before that. Uh, Mayris,
I think he's really smart and that's been his game,
like Notre Dame knows his game. Yeah, with Quinn and Zimmer,
Zimmer talk to talk to Ban Hey man, this Mayor's dude.
But especially if you want to, you know, talk about
that Bran. But but for whatever reason, and maybe this

(24:57):
this goes back to if a different coach was in power,
or a different coordinators in power, maybe something different would happen, Hey, coach,
what you're seeing in fifty nine that you're not seeing
in thirty five? What are you seeing in fifty four
that you're not seeing in fifty three. I don't want
to hear nothing else about James Houston his run grades,
because everybody else run grades are ridiculous. James Hughes was
actually good, good first to run this game, this last

(25:20):
game he was on. He was on the field, like
what thirteen plays? Brian brother a lot nonsense? I need
to know. I would love to ask him, but I
ain't got his number, Brian, do what do you see
in some of these guys?

Speaker 7 (25:29):
And replying back?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
And sometimes mars At sometimes on the field responsible and
sometimes Maris will be on the field and he'll be
like out wide at like a safety looking spot or
like a wide Will guy or Sam guy. And I
would love for Marriage to be the green Doc guy.
But for some reason they're trusting Murray to be green Doc. Got.
They rotate linebackers all the time, but they don't rotate Marry.
They rotate all the other guy down. They leave Murray

(25:51):
just right out there. I would love it if Marius
was I would just love to see what it's like,
because I don't know what it's like, what marriage would
look like, orchestrating, calling out green dot, calling plays, relaying information.
I think I would assume that he would be better
than because Kendra Murray, no dispect is I might run
to you out here. Since you was in college, I've
never thought of you to be like this high processing guy.

(26:13):
You've always been a physical, downhill guy, but I never
thought of you to be to be a processor type,
like if you was a Sam linebacker type, I would
expect that from you. Maris was always I'm green dot
communicating with everybody guy. I would love it if Flues
gave that a shot.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Well, the interesting part will be and if all the
injuries they got and guys that they expect to have
back at some point, the one that's most interesting to
me and I would suspect for most people is the
Marveian overshown. So can he come into a defense like
this and kind of get guys a little bit more
on the same page and bring some excitement enthusiasm. Is
he that player now that opposing offense to say, you

(26:49):
better know what he is because he could do a
lot of different things and he can make plays, because
that's the problem right now. I don't think there's anybody
out there that's making plays. Maris made the punch out.
I don't think you have a consistent guy that weekend,
week out is consistently making plays for the defense.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
And that, to me, I think is as big of
a problem as anything else.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
If Demo comes back and it's him and Murray at
the fluce out of there, rat gamble, will Aparton, he's
gambling with money that he doesn't have, he's using them
that he doesn't but he's not he's not allocating resources properly.
If if if, if Demo comes back and Murray still
green dyke guy and demos like the will do, let
Demo and stop laying Let Demo and Leo file work together.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
And I think that I want to know what Bran's thinking.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I see a lot of I work with him every day.

Speaker 8 (27:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's funny though.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
The one thing, yeah, the one thing that's funny is
like country sayings are country sayings everywhere, Like I'm from
the country and you say stuffing, I'll be like, and
I don't like, I don't know if anybody else knows,
I know what you're talking about.

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It's a language. It is you ever heard of rat gamble?
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First?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
For me, of course, it is.

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We always going all right, Brian was diviside the braindon
Brian Brown?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, you got you.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Guys already answered question three. Give your bits guess why
this team struggles with communications. So we'll move on.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
But I will I.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Will offer h I will offer this question to you.
Then in another form, would you guys consider playing Digs
at free safety when these cornerbacks come back?

Speaker 6 (31:36):
I thought about this and then, I mean, you're talking
about a guy that's lost a little speed.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well smart, kind of knowing what's going on. I mean,
you know, he's he's kind of a know what. He's
a guy that kind of understands. I know it doesn't
always look that way, but I think he understands what
you're trying to do. But would you consider playing him
as a free safety when all the other cornerbacks maybe
come back?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Here's what I love about that.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
What I love about that is you want to say
just and the Cowboys have not had the Cowboys have not.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Had a safety in a while.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
That I consider to be a ball hawk that literally seaball,
go get ball if you tell him, listen, you're not
worried about one person.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
You're just kind of looking around.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
You're reading the quarterback, and then when you get a
beat on him, go get the ball. I love Trayvon
Diggs in a role like that because he plays defensive
back like a receiver, and if you give him a
chance to just watch and scout where the quarterback's going,
think where he's gonna go, get there and try to
get the ball, you might turn this guy into a
real turnover machine doing that versus what you can do

(32:38):
just on one side with him, especially if Savone Revel ends
up being what you think he can be, and you've
got Bland and Revel and both of them are playing
pretty good there at the corner spots. Actually, I actually
love it. Now, the question is does Treyvon want to
do it? That's a whole different conversation. But I actually
love the idea.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
The thing about Trey is I think he'll get bored
on the roof, like like fifteen yards away. I would
walk him down just a little bit and just let
him kind of roam around how do.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
You feel about him about him having to tackle though?
Down there?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
So I wouldn't put him five yards off there. That's
there is a meeting, and I guess it would take
some coordinator to be creative enough to pull that off.
But I love what you're saying. I love digs seeing
stuff and kind of playing on it. I just don't
want him so far back that he may only get
one or you know, one or two opportunities that I
want him just a little bit closer to where all

(33:31):
those crossing routes and if anything goes on either side
of the field, he can have an opportunity to go
play on it. Tackling is the issue. You are right,
But I don't hate the idea at all.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
Brouh See, that's the kind of thinking outside the box,
the creativity I'm looking for.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
That's what. Yeah, I love it. Yes, I love.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
Because honestly, that had never even occurred to me, Like,
I never even thought of that as even an option.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
You know, on Twitter, Twitter talk about this.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
Oh no, I'm it.

Speaker 8 (34:00):
Yeah, my life became a lot better after Yeah, very
toxic environment in there.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
But anyways, no, I love that.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
Now is that a possibility that you actually absolutely not see.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
Them doing that. That's the issue.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
You know, we can get creative here and talk about it,
but that's the thing, like, I don't know if they
would actually even consider doing that.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I think you have to help yourself thinking about playing
some I think you have to think about keeping a
guy down. Now with the where the run defense is,
you're gonna have to play some single high stuff and
maybe this is where Diggs can help you. Diggs is
a gambler. Diggs kind of he's a guy that kind
of sees some things and if he feels like like
in the game, I've seen him like think about, Okay,

(34:47):
this guy, I know he's gonna run a slant here,
I'm gonna jump this route, or I'm gonna play off
this coverage. I'm gonna let that my guy go and
go to the middle of the field. I think that
you kind of find the creative side of him that way.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Tackling.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
There were a couple of times where he actually had
to tackle in the game and he and he was
able to come up. Does he want to do it
all the time? Absolutely not, But that's why you have guys.
I would consider playing Red Stewart down as like if
you wanted to play, if you really want to be
fun and with the cornerbacks, play him almost like a
strong safety, play him down in the box and let
him go and tackle people. That's where I mean. He's

(35:23):
he's a smaller guy, but he makes plays that way.
He's one of the guys that you absolutely don't have
to worry about. But the thing with Diggs, I think
it draws from his creativity a little bit. And and
but I don't think they'll do that. But it's just
an idea.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Brian, did your phone say anything about Carson.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Or not win not in a while? No, not not
not yet, nothing nothing on that.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
I mean honestly that right now, based on what we've
seen from from Carson last season, what we saw in
training camp before he got hurt, how much does he
help you right now?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Where I was going with that, because if Trey's on
the roof and if Red he's at box safety, yeah,
now you need.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
No No, that's what I'm saying. I think that's what
I'm saying. Yeah, you got to think about I love Stewart.
I love Stuart's toughness.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I really do.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Now, you know, you could put you could put Wilson
down there. You could put Bell down there. You know
you can do those things. But I was just kind
of like saying Amber was saying, think abottle outside the box.
If you have a guy, if you're worried about the
run game, you better put somebody down there. And if
you're worried about the past, you better have somebody in
the back end that can play with some range. The
way people are throwing the ball on you, I'll ask

(36:26):
you this question. Give me an area of this team
that has a chance to improve, and then one area
is it? They are who they are?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Man? Uh so Ceedee Lamb's coming back, right, Yeah, But
when Ceedee Lamb was there, I don't think Dak and
Pickens all the way had their their thing figured out.
I think Dak and GP have a lot of time
on task these last these last a couple of weeks,
and I think that kind of got a groove with
him and he knows what route that he's really good at.

(36:54):
And we broke down some film this morning. Uh you know,
Pickens wasn't always yet guy, right man? We know Pickings's
gat guy now, you know. So I think now when
CD comes back, I can expect even more because now
Dak knows how you know GP operates, because in the
first few weeks GP was like deep ball guy. You
may get p I or like slant guy. Uh you know,

(37:15):
now GPS running running across his deep you know he's
he's running, you know, slanting things the outside route. So
I think I think your passing game could be even better.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Derek, we got just a few minutes right to ge
about five minutes. How about asking the different different question
on that Listiman wants to jump in on that area.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
I was I was gonna say. I know, we keep
talking about the linebacker and needing help in there, but
there's a slight part of me that I'm still very
hopeful of the future with the linebacker position, Like looking
forward to Shamar James, I'm still a believer in Mary's
view file. I obviously they'll have overshown coming back, which

(37:53):
I believe the reports have been said, like around Thanksgiving
is for.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Well, Yeah, Jerry said this week on his radio show,
he said that he expects that they could open was
it Steven one of them said that they expect within
the next week or two they might open his window.
They might have him actually back on the field. Practicing.
So yeah, it's looking very positive. I think at this
point from everything.

Speaker 8 (38:13):
Out of all the negative negative stuff happening there, that's
an area that I still think is it gonna take
you to that next level.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
I'm not saying, hey, let's got.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
Wild and crazy, but I do think it's gonna improve.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Derek, you can fix one thing right now on this defense,
so you can defend the run or defend the pass.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
Defend the run. I'm just a big believer. When you
can't stop a team from running on you, it feels
like things are hopeless. And I know that even with
this kind of offense, with this kind of offense, you
would say maybe you should look at it the other
way and say, if you could defend the pass, then
you forced teams to have to methodically drive the field.
The problem is right now, they're giving up seven eight

(38:53):
yards on.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
The ground per rush.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
They're giving up they're giving up a long So there's
nothing that suggests at the at the rate that they're
giving giving up yards in the run game that it
necessarily is going to slow them down or force them
to be And these are not teams that are the
greatest teams in the NFL. These are teams that you
know are trying to find their way just like you are.
And and so yeah, if I had to stop anything,
I start with I always start with can you run

(39:16):
the ball?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Can you stop the run? So I start with I
stopping the run?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Thoughts on that one, Yeah, I would. I would much
rather deal with the run like this, this last this
last Panthers drive. Man, that that six minute drive. Seven minutes,
that's ridiculous, man. Uh, And what you do with that
is Dak doesn't get the ball back, so there's no
no hope for you to come back at least with
passing the football. And the Panthers did kind of get
busy in the air too, but you know, you almost

(39:41):
got some sacks there, you know, you you know, uh,
Bryce Young did kind of show who he was and
kind of missed some stuff and held the ball a
little bit. So I just think that there's more room
for error when the other team is passing the football.
But if you if you guarantee me seven yards of carry, man,
that's ridiculous. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
The fact that Carolina never felt like they had to
throw that football, and even though Dallas scored twenty seven points.
Sometimes sometimes you get somebody out of that. You're like,
they're gonna have to chase points. You couldn't get any stops.
You could not get any stops to make them have
to start throwing the football. That's really unfortunate.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
Well, no, And on the flip side, I let's say
you are more successful at defending the run. On the
flip side with the offense. I trust this offense with
the balance that they currently have with the running game
and the passing game, to take over the time of possession.
They would end up winning that battle there, which obviously
gives you a better advantage.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Am bar.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
If you could have one back this week, Lamb or Booker.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
Lamb or Booker Lamb?

Speaker 8 (40:45):
Wait, hold on, I hate you, Brian. Okay, Ugh, how
long has Booker?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
A couple of weeks? About three weeks?

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Three weeks he got hurt in the Chicago game?

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Chicago, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Beass kind of flapped around a little bit.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Yeah, coming to town like a bass.

Speaker 7 (41:18):
But I think.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
Now, with the kind of rhythm that Pikins has taken
and all of that, I'm more excited to see Lamb
coming back into the mix and them being that duo
that we've all been waiting because when they've been together,
we still haven't seen them both be mutually explosive. Obviously,

(41:42):
there's always one that's gonna be the more dominant one
based on how the game is played, but I think
I would be willing to say I'm more intrigued to
have City back.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
You know, Lamb is your better guy, but I want
to get back to run the football or just my
my my run game being so untouchable, so tough line
that I can move three texts in one text a game.
I'm honestly ceed he's the better player, but I'm going booking.
I know CD will be back at some point.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I agree with that, I think, but I will look
at this like I think last night, I saw DeAndre
Swift run pretty well against that that front in Washington,
and he's not a premium I don't think of him
as a I don't think that is a premium running game.
But they ran pretty well, which makes me think I
think Dallas, that was an aberration what we saw last week.
I think that this week, even if you didn't get

(42:33):
any of those offensive linemen back, I still think the
offensive line will be better this week and they'll be
able to re establish the running game.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So so that does give me a little.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
Pause, like, Okay, just go and give me CD back,
because I do think the offense becomes more explosive with
him in it, And maybe that little bit of extra
explosion would have been the difference in this last game
when you get the ball back instead of going three
and out there toward the end of the game. Maybe
having CD is the difference you get you sustaining a drive,
you actually make the game winning touch down or field
goal whatever it was going to be.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
It was going to take a touch touchdowns are no, no, no.
The field goal yeah yeah, yeah. But I think to me,
it's having having Lamb back, as we've all said it
would be great Booker. You need that, you need that
presence inside and Bass will let to have them.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
To to his credit, they where they got hurt, the
law firm of Brown, Robertson and Brown h you alive
in that football game last week, and they they had
the penetration, the power they played with, and and and
you couldn't get your pullers going in that game. You
couldn't get your your movement game going, and you really
really struggled with that steel and Booker together had been

(43:38):
really good on that right side with span Ford. They
need to get that back going again real quick.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
We didn't really talk about this.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Do you think that the three four front that they
were using, where they had those three guys kind of
preominantly down and then basically have five five man front,
do you think maybe that cost problems for Dallas? Just
from a standpoint, I don't think have they faced that much.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
This year, not a team before, not that with the
double eagle where you cover the two guards and you
cover the center. What I thought they were going to
do is that's why teams have had some success running
a little bit on the edge, is because they've been
able to get down down and then get you know,
they've been able to angle block and keep everybody inside
and then run the ball off the edge. But what
happened is it, Carolina guys they beat They beat your

(44:23):
double teams, the blocks when you were passing guys off,
they were beating those blocks. And I could say the penetration.
Dallas's game, as we all know, is about the movement,
you know, with their offensive line, and they able to
pull the guards, the tackles, the full backs, the tight ends.
You pull those guys. Carolina just they killed that with
all the penetration they got, So yeah, I don't think

(44:45):
it might had something to do it. The power of
that front gave Dallas some problems last week.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
And to that point, I saw a number of times
where their linebackers just basically shot down and they just
shoot a gap and so even if they didn't make
the tackle, they altered the play right and then it
just create a situations where they're their their defensive line
could then get after it and get a get a tackle.
So that that certainly makes me wonder if other teams
start trying to use some of those same sorts of
principles against this running game, and that becomes kind of

(45:13):
something they have to overcome.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I don't think everybody has big dudes that will powerfully
whoop Booker, Smith and whoever. We have a center one
on one like that every time, Like when Carolina got
tight like that, like they would force one on ones
in there and Brown would just you know, run pass
Hoffman or just run pass Bass or whatever. I think
if you add Booker to that, then it kind of
gets a little bit better for us.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Booker's serving a lot stronger plays a lot more power
book book woman.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Yeah, all right, we appreciate you. Johnson'll be back tomorrow.
We'll start getting you guys ready, uh for the next game.
Cowboys will be playing.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Who Got Next?

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Watching football with Andrews.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Yeah, Commanders, Cowboys play Commanders of Sunday three twenty five
at atend Saty.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
It is at home. We don't have to travel. That's good.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
All right, We'll be back tomorrow till they for bout
some body. Brian brought us in the Amber Garcia. I'm
Derek Hilton. It has been the Break Love on Dallas
Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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