Cowboys Break: Bamboozled Me a Little Bit

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 5 (00:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (00:19):
Ready for a break?

Speaker 7 (00:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
And so much for that.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
weight with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi and
Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 7 (00:39):
It is Monday, October thirteenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Episode number fifty six.

Speaker 7 (00:44):
Welcome to the latest edition of Breakwill Life on this
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Today it is our jobs to walk you through what
happened yesterday in Carolina. Cowboys go to Carolina and lose

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thirty to twenty seven. There's a common theme throughout this season.
Cowboys play a lot of close games and defense just
can't seem to make stops. It's not even just make
stops at the time they need them, it's make stops
throughout the game. And again yesterday, the defense just cannot
make stops. They cannot stop the running game. We're gonna

(01:26):
get into all that. Let's start first with the story
of the games. Go around the table. What do you
guys think was the story of the game. I'll start
with you, Vatch Lombardi.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Your offense is good enough to compete with anybody. Boy,
your defense is so bad you will compete with anybody,
any and everybody. You can have a shootout overtime game
with the Packers and you will look like one of
the better teams in the league. And you can flop
around with the Bears, Giants and who we just playing

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Panthers there. So yeah, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. I hope
we're not getting to a point to where the the
players are huffing and puffing. I think the biggest thing
is that Piggins is not crashing out over this, and
I think that's just the best part. He's cool to
ask questions. I say, Piggs, how you feel, Hey, man,
we all got to do better. Man, we all got
a boom boom, we got to help the defense. I
think that's a fantastic start, but boy, it ain't fair.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Carolina did a really good job of killing your run
game yesterday, and they did it with penetration and we've
kind of kind of talked about a little bit of
like in the past, we with the guys, the backups,
and there they did a really nice job, you know,
against the Jets. Dallas is big on their pull game.
They're big on getting guys in space. They're big on
getting double team blocks and pushing and then getting guys

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to you know, blockers to the point of attack. Yesterday
didn't do a very good job of that, and give
Carolina a lot of credit. Carolina won up front because
they were able to like take advantage. There were a
couple of times there where guys were getting pushed to
you know, thinking like okay, you've got this guy and
that guy wasn't secured.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
Dallas running the football is always.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Really, really really good for balance for them, and there
were some opportunities yesterday. I think Williams had one of
his poorer games when it came to some of his vision.
I know, a lot of focus is going to be
on the defense today and that and then those problems,
but Dallas has got to be able to run the football,
and yesterday Carolina did a really good job of not
allowing you to get in your scheme to be able

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to do that.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
And a quick aside and before you go, a quick
aside on that, Brian, when you mentioned what they did
yesterday and how they tried to what Dallas likes to do, ironically,
that's exactly what we saw from Carolina, and Carolina did
do a lot of double teams. They were moving guys,
a lot of pulling guys like. They did a lot
of the things that you see Dallas typically have success doing,
and they did them didn't even better.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, that was the thing when you go back and
if you just break down ricodobtle runs. I mean they
did a really good job of taking advantage of They
double teamed your three technique who was a smaller guy,
They single blocked your bigger one technique. There were a
couple of times where JT, you know, they were able
to turn him a little bit. Your linebackers jump some gaps.

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There's a lot of things you could talk about Dallas's
inability just watch that that. But Dallas not running the
football I think hurt them a little bit in that
game yesterday.

Speaker 9 (04:10):
And it did.

Speaker 10 (04:10):
I mean, we saw something very unusual, which is them
a team stopping Williams in the ways that in the
way that they did.

Speaker 9 (04:19):
But at the same.

Speaker 10 (04:20):
Time, despite that, despite some bad plays from Dak which
all in all in general he had a really good game.
It just came down to certain plays right towards the
end of the game. But the offense they did enough.
They gave you twenty seven points on the scoreboard, and the.

Speaker 9 (04:42):
Storyline is nothing but this defense.

Speaker 10 (04:44):
I don't know how far you're gonna get in the
season without Let's not get too crazy here, let me
control my mouth, process my thoughts.

Speaker 9 (04:56):
But no, no, no, it wasn't gonna cuss.

Speaker 10 (05:01):
You know, I'm not trying to get in trouble. Basically,
what I'm trying to say, you're not gonna get very
far playing the defense that you're playing with because you
can say all you want with the offense and they
got to carry your team and that, but sometimes it's

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just not gonna be perfect. You can only ask so
much of your offense week by week. It's not sustainable.
So your defense in the way that they're playing, you
cannot win.

Speaker 9 (05:34):
And remember like.

Speaker 10 (05:35):
This was against the Panthers and they're not a bad team,
but still you got a lot of tough, tougher teams
that you're about to face very very soon. So when
you see the display that was showed, it's very troublesome,
concerning and I don't know what the fix is, but

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something's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Did we not know this in week one? Week two,
Week three? I mean what the defense was?

Speaker 8 (06:03):
Oh are we surprised? I mean, now, okay, and everybody
pops up.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
No, I saw every one of you. Watched every one
of you on that screen. When I said that, everybody
went every elevator because I do think I do.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
He knew this defense was going to be in trouble.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yes, but they they can't. They did bamboozle me a
little bit. And here's how they did it. The first
few weeks of the season, like the run, the run
defense was like, all of a sudden, teams.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Weren't running on them.

Speaker 7 (06:29):
What we found out rowing Jesus sided, Hey, you know
what do I want to take this week?

Speaker 8 (06:33):
Todd?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
They don't want to throw on them. I don't know
I throw.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
And then what we saw in the last two weeks
is teams are like, you know what, I don't really
want to throw on them. I want to run on
and now we're seeing the whole thing right now is
not working.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's just a matter of what the defense. Because by
the way, even.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
Yesterday, even yesterday, when they had so much success on
the ground, they still when they wanted to had big
success in the passing game. You had the big thirty
four yard pass to Horn, you had at the touchdown
pass to Rico, you had the two touchdown passes to
tear Roy McMillan, like in all those situations that were
busting the secondary, and they were able to get chunk

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yardage and touchdowns out of it. And and so even
when they wanted to throw the ball yesterday they had success.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's really just a matter of what the off the
opposing offense was.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
How often did they get him in third down? Yesterday?
Ye see what I'm saying. They had What did you
tell me that five blitzes in that game? One sack? Right, yes, sir, never,
they never, they never got they were they.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Were losing on first down, the second down, sixty plays,
they was on third times. Yeah, Sven, come on, let's
let's not act like we knew this defense wasn't not
any good.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
To your question, though, Brant.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
It's just it's just that offensive offenses took advantage of
throwing the ball because you had no pass rush and
your secondary was can't cover anybody.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
We knew the defense wasn't great, but boy, I was
hoping for like twenty eighth grade hope. I was was
that a plan is not a playing bran. I was
looking at some stat and this came in.

Speaker 9 (08:03):
Salty.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I was looking at a step saying, man, you guys,
so let's not act like we knew that.

Speaker 7 (08:08):
Nobody saying we're surprised this happened. Nobody's saying they're surprised. Everybody.
I'm surprised it's this bad. Yes, that's it's this bad.
Not that it's bad, is that it's this bad.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
They only punted twice. I'm surprised that it's that bad.
I saw this stat from Jalen Hurston.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Something I told you this run defense was fixed. It
really wasn't fixed.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I saw this stat, Brian and Jalen hurst is like
the thirty fifth overall quarterback in acacy, right, but he's
way past thirty two. I wish they had a defensive
number like that. Because the Cowboys, I say this pre appreciation.
The Cowboys are so deep in the thirty second the
worst that if you were simply thirty first worst in defense,
brand you win two more games. If you just give

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the other team back eight points, you are two games better. Bran,
we didn't think we was gonna be deep in the
basement of thirty two.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Thirty two and thirty one ain't close this.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
This team has showing you defense to where we show
you defensively who they are.

Speaker 8 (09:03):
They've shown you this.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think I think it's gotten worse every week. Keeping
the buck with you. I think you go out that
week one and A. J.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Brown and Smith and them, they don't do all that
with the quarterbacks Giants.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
The Giants game should have been the wake up call
for it. It should have been it should have been
the one. That's the one when a when a broken
down veteran quarterback goes out and lights you up.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
That's when you needed to know.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
And then you watch at the end of that game,
camp Scataboo running now, Camp Scataboo running over everybody.

Speaker 8 (09:33):
That that right there, that was it. That was it.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
That was like, Okay, you can't you're not going to
be good enough. You're not And and Derek, you said.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
It yesterday, pretty show.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Yeah, because they ran the ball down your throat to
your point, so.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Are you running?

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Running the football to me is worse than throwing the football.
It's worse to throw in the football.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And can do about it if the fact that they ask.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Ask certain players to play coverage is is football criminal?
And we we've been talking about this, but you know,
we keep talking about it every.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Week and nothing gets done. So let's not acts.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
I don't work. I don't work here.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
It's not act surprise.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
But again, Brian, we're bad.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
They're bad.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
They're they're offensively there that yesterday they offensively they got
shut down running the football.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
But what did it do?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
They found a way to throw the ball that Carolina got.
No pressure on you, no pressure on you throwing the ball.
That final drive, why the hell you're throwing the throwback screen?

Speaker 8 (10:29):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
They can't cover George Pickens feed his ass the ball
and that final drive make them have to defend him.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
Don't get cute. Don't you know you can't afford negative plays,
You just can't.

Speaker 9 (10:46):
I will say.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
My personal surprise comes in the sense that, yes, we've
been seeing this since week one.

Speaker 9 (10:54):
We've been seeing it week after week.

Speaker 10 (10:56):
But my surprise is where are the changes, Where are
the draft stick changes?

Speaker 8 (11:01):
They can't, well, they can't. They don't have. They don't have.
They can't.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
They can't change all the things that they need to change.
They can't.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
They can change some things. Give me, give me, give
me two play calling. So we know, okay, so we know,
let me finish. I don't know I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (11:19):
I'm saying, I'm saying okay, So saying, okay.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
So Bryce Young terrible against pressure, sixty five players on offense.
You only you only you only bliss five time.

Speaker 8 (11:28):
Give me your guy.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Play call.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
You can figure your guy guy. Give me a guy
who you're gonna who's gonna be your core president.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Listen sore and some saur and source and call call
call players for Saint France. Okay, he wasn't great, but
he wasn't thirty two, and he wasn't deep into thirty two.
White Cotton can call the place. Anybody that'll that will
that will blitz and put pressure. Anybody that'll that'll uh,
that'll take Donovan off the roof. Anybody that will I
think body that will take Murray off the field. Anybody

(11:56):
that's see sorry Murray.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Anybody that anybody that anybody that.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Sees him a player that can how about somebody click
how about somebody click over and tell the tell the
coordinator that any and you want one of those guys
to be your defensive course.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Anybody that takes anybody that looks sound like it. Anybody
that looks.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
At Marian says, let me give him a whole bunch
of responsibility.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Take that.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Doing that, they're the responsible for the response for the
roster here too.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Give me.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Those coaches are responsible. I asked you guys this question
the other day. What are the offensive coaches doing that
the defensive coaches aren't.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I can live five.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
We're not gonna get there. You don't have players to
get to twenty five. You don't and you're gonna make it.
You're gonna make a Bowl trade that's probably not gonna
help you because you need more than one player.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Take your by safe off the roof, and I think
that's a that's a huge shown.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
You six weeks. They haven't shown you that can do that.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
That's why you give me at.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
The end of the At the end of the day,
what they are gonna have to do is they're gonna
have to realize what they are asking of the players
that are currently on this roster is not working. And
if that means that they either have to change those
guys out to someone else, or if that means they're
gonna have to ask those guys to do something different,
those are really your only two options at this point.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
You're not gonna I don't think you.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
Get better necessarily by saying let's just get rid of
play call and start over like in the middle season.
That's not gonna get you better necessarily. I think if
you're gonna get better, you're going to have to say, Okay,
here's what these players can do, here's what these players
cannot do. And by the way, I'm not gonna keep it.
If I'm in their protoos, I'm not gonna keep this
saying well, they'll get better at it.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
You've had six games.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
You know right now what they've done and what they
have not done, and so for now you have to
make the assessment based on what I've seen through six games.
They either can do this or they cannot, And if
they cannot, then you're gonna have to either change the
personnel or you're gonna have to ask them to do
something different.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I think it's that simple.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I know that that sounds simple.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
That's not easy when you already have the roster constructed
and you've already been training on this particular thing going
back to OTA's which everybody wasn' here doing OTAs. So
with all those things being said, now you have to
figure that part out.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And that's the that is the challenge for this coaching
staff at.

Speaker 7 (14:02):
This point is either change the people or asking them
to do something.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
The disadvantage we have right now is we don't know
if they're telling them to do the right things and
the players are just not care it.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
We don't know that.

Speaker 7 (14:14):
But that's my point. They have to figure that out
and they haven't. But based on yeah, right, you're right,
they have not. The point is they continue to make
the mistake.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes, and at this point they have to make a decision.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
We have seen enough to know they are not able
at this point or are not doing what we what
we're asking them to do. So either they're not capable
of doing it, or they're just not doing it. Either way,
you got to change something. Either you got to ask
them to do something different, like a guy like like
Donovan I saw in this last game they had Donovan
down in the in the box early in the game,

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and and and they ran the ball right at him
and he was out of the play like that's something.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
He's supposed to do really well.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
So I think I think there's a lot of different
issues that are going on right now, and there's not
just one. It's as simple as saying, well, just take
Donovan off the rooftop and all of a sudden everything's.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Gonna be better.

Speaker 7 (15:04):
Well, Donovan has some responsibility in that too, where he's
gonna have to play better even when he's down in
the box. And I think they're all those kinds of
issues you see throughout the game where guys are out
of position, they're not doing what they're being asked to do,
or if that's what they're being asked to do, then
it's a situation of how you're coordinating this thing. Because
I saw a lot of time with defensive ends are
crashing down hard, crashing down hard, there was nobody containing

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on the outside. They're either asking them to do that,
which I'm questioning now who's or the situation where they're
doing that and they really should be protecting edge. Either way,
My point is it's not working right now, and they're
gonna have to make some change.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Something has to change.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
To your comment, Brian of like, you don't know if
it is something that they're being told and they're just
not executing. This is where I go back to thinking
the opposite in a way, because when you have a
collective group, we're not talking about just one or two
players are just missing assignments. You're talking about so many

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players on the defense that are having trouble executing. So
then when something like that happens, who do you turn to?
Look at the voice in the room, the leader. So
that's where I think it goes back to and the
amount of plays that I've seen, even on social media

(16:23):
this morning, people putting screenshots and things like that of
the formation, the scheme of how they were, where each
player was positioned, and you start to question, okay, because
by now, by week six, now headed into seven, you
would think you know your players right, So all I

(16:45):
look at is a schedule. My time is running out
because you keep missing the opportunities of when you get
so close to being able to win a football game
and you just miss that, It's like the sin slipping
through my fingers right now, and I'm just like, oh
my god, trying to hold on to it because I

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don't want to say, oh, another wasted year.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
I would rather Flues called twenty blitzes and give up
a deep player two because they gonna give them up anyway.
If you giving up deep plays being conservative and safe,
be aggressive. I would rather him look and say, hey, man,
we're not great at this, Let's do something different. Yeah,
but like like like we're not good at this, let's

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do something different. This personnel group ain't working, Let's do
something different. So when I say move on from Flus,
I'm not trying to wave a magic one. I'm saying
Flus is being stubborn, like something ain't happening here, like
something's not being changed here. So when I'm saying that,
you just can't look at Bryce Young terrible against Blitz
maybe in the in the twenties, the low twenties against
the Blitz, and we go, nah, we gonna let them

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sit back, even Rego beating you down all day. Bring
I got even Rico getting like beating you down all day.
The big player in the passing game got you, and
he was just able to sit back and do his thing.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, can ahead.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
I will tell you this, And this is something I
looked up based on Nick knicks article, Nick Eatman's article
where he was saying the defense, something hasn't change with
the defense, And the point he was making was that
you were playing, statistically, going into that game, the quarterback
in the NFL with the worst passer rating in the NFL.
And you knew going into that game that you were
facing a running back that the week before had put

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up two hundred yards and he, by the way, let
you know, buckle up, because I'm bringing some of that
for you. And instead of and here's the I went
to look up the numbers.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Check this out. Cowboys.

Speaker 7 (18:36):
Yesterday, when they had a light box, that means they
had six guys in the box, there were seventeen runs
against that they gave up one hundred and one yards
five point nine average. When they had a neutral box,
seven guys in the box, they had fourteen runs eighty
two yards another five point nine average per run. When
they loaded the box eight guys down in the box,

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there were only they only get that seven times against
the run. Yesterday they only gave up thirty three yards
four point seven average. More than a yard difference when
they loaded the box. There is no way you're going
to convince me that it was not a good plan
to say, we're gonna load up the blox more often.
We're gonna load up the box more often than not.
We're gonna force this quarterback into a situation where we're

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gonna have man, we're gonna be manned up on the outside,
and you're gonna have to beat man against some corners,
by the way, that we've paid a lot of money
to and we're just gonna be loading the box so
that we're gonna do one of two things on every play.
If it's a run play, we're gonna have so many
bodies there that we're just gonna clog it all up
and stop the run. Or we're gonna have so many
guys down in the box and we're gonna blitch you
and we're gonna pressure the heck out of you and

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make you get rid of the ball quick, and we're
gonna trust those corners on the outside. The fact that
that was done the least amount of times and it
was the one that where they found the most success,
that's where I'm looking at it and saying why would
that have not been the game plan knowing what you
were facing going into this game.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
That's the hard part that it worked and they went
away from it.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Go back and watch the first defensive snap of the
game and tell me what you see. Tell me what
you see when one Yer Thomas comes flying down in there,
misses the tackle in the hole with a clean runner
and they get nine yards happens quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
It is. It's fair.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
And by the way, I'm with you about doing something different,
I'm a I'm We talked about this about Carolina offense,
their path to victory running the damn ball, and you know.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
So but when you when you commit to playing certain schemes,
and you comm commit to playing you know, I'm all
for it. Yes, more more heavy boxes, make this guy throw,
do all that stuff. But when they do commit to it,
and all of a sudden, a guy's in the hole
unblocked and misses the and there and there and missus
the tackle and it's a nine yard game.

Speaker 8 (20:54):
Is that on one year Thomas? Or is that on
the scheme?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
No, it's on Onye Thomas. And here's the deal.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
I'm not saying that that difference would have made them
a great defense.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
What I'm saying is because, by the way.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
Give it up four point seven yards per Giving up
four point seven yards per got your great. That's not right,
but he's better than five point nine. And that's my point,
Like it would have made you better. It might not
have made you great, but it might have been the
difference in the thirty to twenty seven lost.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Answer was to play base defense. And even when they
got into base defense, they had problems understood they had
we're talking about you're talking about that angles. I know,
you're talking about the angles and the run blitzes and
stuff with guys coming down the defenses and going inside
and nobody on the outside.

Speaker 8 (21:32):
We're the linebackers.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
All that.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
I mean, he's trying to he and I'm not defending him.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I'm just telling you that for every bad defense that
he calls, his players are just as bad.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Absolutely, Like all of a.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Sudden on the Tech McMillan touchdown, when all of a
sudden they get digs on a tight end and Wilson's
having to cover Tech McMillan, yep, because Diggs tells him stay, stay, stay,
and Wilson's thinking, no way, I got oh, I got
to go back and now what's that?

Speaker 8 (22:01):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Don't even call it?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, But by the way, I no, I understand what
you're saying, Brian. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
I'm not arguing with that.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
I'm just saying though, that for every bad call he has,
your your players are just effing it up just as
bad as he and I.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Know I both we know it's both.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
But there are small things you can do to get
you from the bottom of thirty second to at least
twenty seven and that'll win you two games there.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
But I will say this, and then we got to
go to break real quick. I'm not at all saying
that they need to change the person. I'm saying that
the person's going to have to think how do I
get the most out of the personnel that I currently have?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
On the sixth You're right asks why ask?

Speaker 7 (22:39):
But that's also where now it becomes a component of
the head coach to say, man, we might have to
change some things up. That's that's where that's when you
might have you might have to force him to do
some things that maybe he's being a little resistant to
because I will say this about coaches and Brian, you've
probably seen this more than anybody else. They kind of
get in the mind, I know, I've seen this guy
do this before. I know he can do it, and
they just keep holding on to I know he can

(23:01):
do it. I know he can do it. He hadn't
done it in a while, but I know he can
do it. They just trust and they could believe it
because they've also seen times. They keep giving it time,
and after abount of time, oh wow, now it starts
to work. And so that lures them into this false
into security that at some point it's going to hit
and it's just taking too long to hit, and somebody
may have to say, hey man, we can't wait around anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
We are losing games because this just isn't working. We're
gonna take our first round.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
Let me say something.

Speaker 10 (23:28):
You guys, I was gonna say, going back to that
conversation about the players and individually also not being able
to execute on some of those things. I am a
firm believer that if you're not fully committed to the scheme,
if you don't truly believe in it and trusted, you're
bound to make mistakes. Whether you're a talented player or not.

(23:51):
And now if you're talking elite, that's a different story.
But these type of players that you currently have on
the roster, you're not positioned like you have to be
mentally bought into the whole scheme and and the the
guy that's telling you what to do. Otherwise, it just
reflects like that you make those mistakes and you're not
you're not going to be as successful as you can

(24:13):
potentially be. Because we keep going back to some of
these players, we've seen what they can do. It's not
like they're a high school football player that knows well,
I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 9 (24:23):
A lot of high is the same thing.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Some high schools playing it better right now?

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banging on the defense for most of the show so far.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Let's get back to the offense.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
And yeah, we have I mean honestly, and it's fair,
but I do think I do stop it. I do
think there is a conversation that should be had about
the offensive line because yesterday, again it wasn't a great
day for them. Javonte Williams at thirteen carriages for twenty
nine yards are two point two average. I want to
go down the offensive line. I want you to tell
me what you saw from each of the different players. Now,

(27:27):
yesterday got two of their guys back from the week
before when they played the Jets, when we were all
loving what we were seeing from the offensive line, when
they were four guys down.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
What did we see yesterday?

Speaker 7 (27:36):
Let's start first with the two guys that came back
from Guidon and from Tyler Smith.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
How did you think they performed yesterday?

Speaker 5 (27:42):
The passing game was good for Gaydon, run game was
cool for Smith. It was powerful like he is, you know,
tripped over himself a couple of times, you know that
could be I've been sitting down for about a week
and a half. I need to get back into it.
But I think Giden was Guiden. I think Big Tyler
was Big Tyler for the most part.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, I think like to me, there was a couple
of different times where Geyton, and this is something scheme wise,
when he's on the back side of things and your
responsibility is to go front side, to go to where
the ball's going and then block back. There was a
couple of times where he got so far down inside
with his block that that backside runner just killed the

(28:23):
play from behind. I mean, he's got to check his guy,
get him, he's got to get him over to the guard,
and then he's got to peel back and get his guy.
And there was a couple of times in that game
where he didn't do that particularly well. I thought Hoffman
had some problems with some combination. It wasn't a really
good game for Bass. Bass was on the ground a
couple of times in some of the running plays. They

(28:44):
just didn't look like they had a good fit. We've
seen this team before being able to double team, get
pushed and get the pullers involved. Hunter Lipke got thrown
off in some block and stuff. In this game, Smith
got thrown off in some block and stuff. Because of
the penetration. They didn't do a very good job of
securing the front side to get the push, to allow
the pullers to get inside and make the and to

(29:06):
give Williams an opportunity to run behind some blocks. I
think Williams had a couple of runs where he wasn't
very good.

Speaker 8 (29:12):
Where he saw.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Down to the goal line they had to play well
blocked and it was inside handoff and he instead of
pressing the hole where it was blocked, he went backside
and tried to make something out of that because he's
down in the red zone thinking get, he's got to
go forward. But overall, I don't think I don't think
Hoffman was particularly great with some of his run blocks.
I don't think Bass was particularly great with some of

(29:33):
his run blocks and get and I mentioned with some
of the technique stuff with blocking back to making sure
that his guy's taking care of Stell. They didn't have
very many good double team blocks on the front side.
They just could not. Carolina did a really nice job
of attacking you, but getting up the field stale mating
you at the line. The pullers couldn't get there, killed

(29:54):
Dallas's running game that way.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
You know what, Bryant, It almost feels like Carolina had
three three texts playing down line. Yeah, and they went
at you more than what the Jets did. Like the
Jets were more like reedy and kind of sideways y,
and Quinn Williams is a dude, but like next to
him is like a miscellaneous character will McDonald who's like
two hundred and sixty pounds, and then they still kind

(30:16):
of reading you a little bit when they're not when
they're not rushing. But Carolina is like three big guys,
Bobby Brown, Ashawn Robinson who can play still, and then
there's Derrick Brown, who's the superstar of that group. They
went forward at you, so they're moving forward at you.
Your backup offensive line superpowers kind of run out fast
if you don't have an extra reserve of power to you. Now,

(30:38):
if this was a Booker BB game, it might have
been a little different because because what Brian mentioned earlier,
with a lot.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Of these polls, what you need when you pull is
a is a clear pathway on the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
You can't have Hoffmann in bass going backwards to possibly
run into you while you pulling. That could be that
could be big Tyler pulling. That could be the tight
end pulling, because the tight ends pull a lot. So
now sometimes the tight ends would have to loop around
to pull a little more, and that misses up timing
and everything. So now Williams got to change his course. Uh,
they just didn't get enough get enough fund.

Speaker 8 (31:11):
They didn't they didn't get that push.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
And when you don't get the poor there, then that
leaves a free guy right there in the hole to
make a play.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Is this right?

Speaker 8 (31:18):
No, You're fine.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
I was gonna say, is this part of like, I know,
when when we first had the injuries pop up, I
think there, I think it was botch you just said.
You know, for for a couple of games, they can
they can be good and and but but the longer
they got to play, the more you might start to
see someone's probably And by the way, that's probably the
reality for most backup players. That's the reason why they're

(31:40):
backups is because yeah, they have some some skill.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Everybody NFL has some skill.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
It's just as teams have a chance to watch you
more and more and more, they start to figure out, oh, yeah,
here's his problem. This is why he's not the starter,
and let's exploit this. Is that what you guys were
seeing yesterday, particularly from those two guys.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah, there was there was even a point where Carolina
would move Robinson closer to draw one on one with
Brown or like Bass will get a one on one
or something like that. Like as long as they can combo,
they typically can fight together and win. But if they're
in a one on one situation, it's bad. But even
even doubling, they didn't you know, they didn't get all

(32:17):
that much of a of a of a push there.
And if Bass isn't pushing all that great now Terren
Steele is affected, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
So like it's all you.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Know, Yeah, I think that I think that Williams carry
the ball with thirteen times, Derek, you know what I said,
thirteen times Their defensive tackles had four run stoffs run
stuffs in that game, you know, And then you had
some their edges each had, you know, had some run
stuff you had, you had you had plays where you
just did not where you were where you've won the

(32:46):
line of scrimmage, and a lot of these games.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
We haven't seen that at all.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
No, you got you got beat up and conscious.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Right though, those guys are like they might be playing
like three techniques slighter guys, but there's some sides to
that group. There was some the way that they were
able to get off blocks, to hold up double teams,
to push you in the backfield, to stalemates you. That
was why they won in the running game right there.

(33:12):
They did everything you needed to do playing run defense.
They were able to accomplish that.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
Yesterday, George Pickens had a phenomenal day, nine catches for
one hundred and sixty eight yards and a touchdown with.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
A forty five long.

Speaker 7 (33:27):
The interesting part to that is the next receiver as
far as number of receptions was Jake Ferguson with three,
Illinois with three.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Lipkey with two.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Do you think that maybe yesterday was a day where
and again I know it's hard to blame the offense,
and I'm not even it's not even about blame, I
guess at this point, but do you think yesterday was
a day where they really missed the abilities of Ceedee
Lamb and Cavante Turpin because it just allows you something
else to use again, and that crunch time when they
needed that drive where they go three and out.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Maybe at that point they're thinking, we've already been going.

Speaker 7 (34:01):
To to to see to George Pickens a lot. We
think they're gonna try to take that away. Maybe they
go somewhere different. Would it have been more helpful yesterday?
And would yesterday have been the day where you really
missed having those other weapons there that you could make reliable,
that that could reliably make place for you man?

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Probably, you know, Lamb would have definitely made made a
difference for you because he'd a line up against somebody
that shouldn't be covering him at all. You know, maybe
turping gets you a touchdown because he's fastening everybody else.
But I don't mind days where cool if Piggins gets
most of them and Flora Noid gets a little bit,
Jake gets a little bit. I think thirty points is

(34:39):
like that's enough to win. That's enough to win. I mean,
what twenty seven? Sure, but like that's that's that's doing it.
It's just unfortunate that in cowboy Land you have to
shoot for you know, forty two or shoot for overtime
and all this kind of stuff. But yeah, CEEDD would
have helped you. See, he would have helped you also too,
I feel like, I feel like whatever's going on with
Jayden Blue, I think just having a faster do in

(35:00):
the backfield maybe, you know, like if you can't out
physical Carolina and physical run game stuff, you know, maybe
at the end of the game, that's what you know,
Shiny was kind of thinking, hey, let me get Williams
to the outside. Maybe a faster guy to the outside
would have helped you there, because they're big and physical
on the inside.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Carolina is, Yeah, we want to sit here and kill
the defense for not using their players the right way.

Speaker 8 (35:20):
How about an offense in that final drive.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I could have used three more catches from from Pickings
in that game they had they had no answer for him.

Speaker 8 (35:28):
Terrible.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
That is one of those things where all of a
sudden you're you're like, listen, you know, hey we found
the scrub. You know, hey, they're playing a little bit
more man coverage. You know, Dak is killing. I think
Dak was eleven or twelve against man. I mean, it
was some crazy number where he was doing really really
well against the man coverage stuff. Pickings needed three more,
he needed three more catches. You know, find a way

(35:50):
if you're gonna sit there and you're not maybe maybe
you're not running the ball, but they had no answer
for your pass protection. They had no answer for your quarterback,
they had no.

Speaker 8 (35:59):
Answer for your wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
That final drive should have been all about George Pickens
and it maybe even finished that damn thing off with
a throw to the Ferguson in the end zone for
a touchdown or something like that. But that that was.
That was this pore of a sequence of plays that
you're going to find, especially when you had a player
on offense that Carolina had absolutely no answer for.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
Yeah, it's interesting because in the in the when we
were when we met with George Pickens after the game
in the locker room, one of the things he said.
He was asked like, was this something you guys just
saw as the game wore on that you were just
gonna have a great day. He said, Honestly, we saw
it throughout the week, the kind of defense they played.
We knew we were gonna have opportunities and and sure
enough those opportunities were there. So it certainly made you
feel like they knew that they could go to it

(36:45):
anytime they wanted. And I heard this this morning. I
was listening to Sean and RJ on my drive in
and they made this point. I thought it was an
interesting point. Don't know if it's true. You'd have to
ask coach.

Speaker 8 (36:55):
Sure, it's probably not.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
But dang bra Kelly, the guys, I love just but
but no, I thought it was interesting. They said, you know,
was this maybe a situation where he felt like he
knowing his defense, he felt like, I gotta go score here,
but I gotta take time off the clock, and so
he wanted to start that drive by running the ball, thinking,
let's take time, let's take time, let's get a methodical drive.
Let's try to use as much of this clock as

(37:17):
we can to limit the amount of time our defense
has to go back on the field after we score.
And then it went south and you literally just turn
it right back over you in three plays.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
You're at.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
But the thing about it is, though, if he goes
and gets a score, he makes it a four point game. Right,
So now you're in a situation where they have to
go get a touchdown and you just had coming off
getting a stop. Maybe you had some momentum there maybe
as well. I mean that's I mean his thinking about it.

Speaker 7 (37:43):
I think the thinking was okay, if that's what he
was thinking. Again, these are these are our words that
we're putting on him. So I want to be clear
about that. That wasn't what he said. But if that
was his thinking, I know when when they first scored,
I know when they got the ball back, I looked
over at Nick and I was like.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
They might want to take some time.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
I tweeted during the game, you can't punt anymore. Yeah,
I mean I got I got on Twitter. I got
on it, I said, and there was it was a
lot of game left. I said, We've come to the
point in time in this game where Dallas can't afford
to punt. You just can't can't do it. And ultimately
that's you know what happened at the end. Dofins had
one really bad series. They couldn't run the ball, but
throwing the ball was outstanding.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yesterday, Amber, what you think, can.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
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Speaker 9 (38:28):
Coming me out on?

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So let's take a break and we'll come back. What
Amber has on her mind, Because you've been sitting over there,
I'm sure she's got things to say.

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Speaker 10 (41:41):
Well, I'm I need to because I started reading the
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Speaker 9 (41:52):
The show though, so I was, Yeah, I was gonna.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Say, like, trade trade deck to the Saints. What the
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Speaker 6 (42:07):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I don't even want to go well.

Speaker 10 (42:11):
On Monday, I mean, we talked about you just got
done talking about the offense and some of the things
that they did wrong on that side. But at the
same time, if I'm being one hundred percent honest, I'm
having trouble even saying anything bad.

Speaker 9 (42:25):
About the offense itself or the play calling.

Speaker 10 (42:28):
I know a lot of people hearing the chat are
criticizing Brian Schottenheimer and the play calling. But right now
my main focus might anger, if you want to call
that saying focus disappointment.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I was thinking concern.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
We're very focused.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
No anger, Anger is anger.

Speaker 9 (42:49):
It's on the defense.

Speaker 10 (42:51):
And I don't want to rant and go on and
on because we just did way over like twenty minutes
undown of the first time.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
This is a typical I bet this is happening at
every office around the Dallas Metroplex where you got fans
that are talking about the game is one and they're
having these.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Kind of passion because people are passionate about the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
But go ahead, I'm so having this. Brian won the FUS.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Yeah, he came in ready, so as soon as it stought,
he was like, I'm just waiting for that. Derek nobody,
go ahead, I no, no, no, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
Let's ended. No, you keep throwing me off.

Speaker 10 (43:32):
My thing is and I said this earlier about the
sands slipping between my fingers, is because the amount of
time that I'll be here, and I know everybody feels
the same exact way, but the fact that we are
and you mentioned it, Brian week six, what do you
do at this point? Do you even have anything to

(43:52):
do with the players that you currently have and all
of that stuff. Can you make a significant change that
at least get you to where you need to be,
where you're not wasting another year with the current players? Again,
this is a year and I said this previous shows Dak.
I do not want to waste this year in the

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way that Dak Prescott is playing, say what you want.
Dak is killing it this year. He's playing amazingly. So
I don't want to go on and waste another year.
And I don't know what exactly you do defensively where
if it's the voice in that room that you change,
that seems like the very quote unquote easy thing to

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do and more logical thing to do in the sense
of like that's a something quick that brings a new
sense of hope when you do something differently, because you
cannot get rid of all the players. You cannot sign
and bring and trade a bunch of players either, So
you gotta deal with what you have. And in the
conversations we've had in the past, if you do two,

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three more stops, key stops, that's all you need, all
you need. Because we still haven't faced those bigger teams
that are about to come. And I'm freaking scary. If
we're keeping it real and honest, what comes after the
bye week has me very very concerned. So what do
we do? Don't look at me for answers because I

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don't have them.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Well, what we will do is we're gonna end the
show today.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
And let's go to line tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
On the air, we will start talking about maybe what
they can do and maybe give some thoughts on our end. Again,
we're not the ones that are gonna make those decisions
or have to live with those consequences, but we'll start
giving you our thoughts on what we think the Cowboys
do to move forward after this loss. Till then, for
Vach Lombardi brought us I from Amber Garcia.

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Speaker 11 (46:00):
Yes,