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Were with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi and
Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
It is Wednesday, December tenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
episode number ninety one. Welcome to the latest edition of
The Break, Live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the
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Today we got the crew in minus miss Garcia. She
(00:59):
is out today. Actually she's gonna be out the rest
of the week. So this is gonna be us, man.
Actually it's just two of us by Friday, because Brian
won't be here Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
On his birthday. Of course he's gonna be out on us.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
So boy there, I'm gonna stress you out on for
It's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Me and you on Friday.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Well, no, no, no, no, we have a special guest
that will be joining us on Nick Eatman, so a
little bit of.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Three of us. But let me just tell you this.
You can't stress me out. I've been I've been through
the fire man.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You can't stress I start cussing, I start saying.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I got a producer back there that can cut your
mic quick quick.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're not gonna stress. We've got fun. We've got fun,
and we'll miss you, Brian, but thank you, we'll have fun.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Appreciate that. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'll be out that day.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And man, you got on your ls. You getyeah excited
about your new coach.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
We talked about that we outspend, we'll go tigers. I
gotten pretty good at this one. Yeah, yeah, you know,
well we've we we're gonna do things so the right
way to LSU gonna we're gonna try and know you
know what, I don't know, coach. Coach might hire me back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I don't know, you know what.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
That's pretty good, man. I'll do him on radio. Like
every once in a while, somebody will say something about coach,
and I'll well, you know, Dawson, you don't know much
about the football team. You you act like you know
the football team, but you you don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You don't.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I don't know the football team. I know I know
all about those tacos, pretty good, man.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
There's nothing better than winning the championship and getting bought
out and just going to live your life. And man,
in the swamp of something must be not after the championship,
then you get your breath.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
And then later they call you back and like, hey,
you want to come, you want to come confense?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Man, Hey, I love that one. Oh chilling, but I
love that one.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah. It's uh college football though. I hate to say
this though, and and here I am. I mean real quick,
we're guilty of this l s you. We'll spend money
and we'll we'll go after your players and all that.
That's what this coach is about to do. But man,
we this this this system. Just listen. And then the
UH driving in talking about Sam Levitt, the quarterback at
arizonam State and how you know he you know, two
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years of Arizon State. They have this you know, the
positive and next thing you know, it's Arizona State can't
pay him, so now he has to go somewhere else
where in a system I think is broken. I'm all
about paying players, I really am. I just worry about
the levels of loyalty and all that. And there's no
loyalties with the coaches either to the way that they
go off and do things. So it's difficult. And we
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all love college football. We all love college football, and
uh but man, we're getting to a point in time
now where I don't I don't recognize this and I'm
worried about the future of it. And I think the
future of it, there actually will be some super conference
and then the teams that if you went to a
school that's not in the super Conference, then you know,
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you might be not enjoying football as much. You know.
That's what I hate.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I just I think, at the end of the day,
if you're gonna if you're gonna put limits on players
with regards to their more movement, because I think right
now it is the wild Wild West is basically free
agency every year. If you're going to limit that, then
you gotta do the same for coaches. It can't be
one system for coaches. Once I'm glad you did it.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Like, no, no, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It can't be one system for coaches and one system
for players.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah, if they're gonna if everybody's gonna abide by a contract,
then everybody needs to abide by a con I'd.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Love to see. I'd love to see, like from a
coaching standpoint, and I promise you we'll get to the
Cowboys here in a second, but I'd love to see
from the I'd love to see from a player perspective,
from maybe a program, whether it's Texas, Southern, miss Lsue wherever,
that to me that you have either a one year
deal or a three year deal. You sign this. If
you tell me you're only going to be here for
a one year, then I know I can plan to
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do what I have to do. If you make a
commitment to me for one year, I can live with that.
You make a commitment to me for three years, then
I'm like, okay, well then hey, let's work it out
this way and stuff. There has to be something I
think that people are talking about. Maybe you might see
a deal where college football players or college athletes unionize
and then you have collective bargaining ways and things like that.
(05:00):
It's you know, it's that would be We've seen how
that could be a little bit of a mess or
maybe some positive things.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
But that might be the best way to get it
to a point where it actually makes sense, because then
you can actually say, Okay, here's a contract and for
this amount of time, this team owns your rights. Now,
I don't know how they make coaches by by their contracts,
I would assume it could be the same thing where
for this amount of time, the team owns your rights,
and if you want to go to another team, you
have to that team has to negotiate for your rights
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to be there. Absolutely, and then it becomes something that's
a little more equitable. But I just really think you're
gonna have to do something both sides of that, if
you're gonna if you're gonna put some limits on it.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I asked Brian today, what we got to do to
get our guy flora is over here? Brian floor is
this is the league hasn't got none to do with
college football, but we just talking about coaches moving around.
I was like, man, in week what fifteen? Yeah, fourteen fifteen?
What I got to do right now to give Brian
Floory is over That's I wish I'm talking about that,
we can talk about him. I wish the league worked
it this way. I will talk about him. I wish
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that we had an av leg director and then Jerry
be like, hey man, we're gonna fire somebody in week
two and we're gonna have an interim defensive Damn sorry,
if you have the interiom somebody coach, and then we'll
bring in somebody.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
News in NFL, I'm telling you, we just saw love
college football. Really, we love it, and I'm I'm happy
the players are getting paid. But man, this thing is
it's getting way way out of hand with the movement
of it all.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Well, I would love to see the day come when
you have a super conferences. I think that will solve
a lot of problems.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, if you have two.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Honestly, the way I look at it is you take
the SEC, take the Big Ten, expand both those leagues
out to include all the teams from all those other
conferences that are worth being in that grouping, and that's
basically your two conferences.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's your NFC and your AFC.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
You got one of them, you know, the one that's
kind of the Big Ten, and everybody else there and
then you got the SEC and everybody else there, and
then you go at it, and I think that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Would be a great way to do it.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
And then the two that come out of those two
conferences end up in the College play College Chace.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Well, I tell you what, I'll be coming to Myron,
and I know we have a lot of people here
that are North Texas grits. You know what they've done
over there in Dent and all that. I admire. I
admire the programs that have the athletic directors that can
evaluate coaches. Because every year North Texas gets picked by
their basketball coach leaves, goes.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
To a better situation, they find another one, their.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Coach, their their football coach goes and leaves every year.
Give me the guy or the gal that can run
an athletic department that knows how to evaluate the coaches
and talent. And that that's why to me, those people
are so valuable, so valuable programs, no doubt.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
All right, let's talk a little cowboys. What I wanted
to do in our first segment today is I wanted
to talk a little bit about special teams. This is
the topic we haven't talked a lot about. We've talked
about some of the challenges. I think earlier this week
we talked about that because it was so apparent in
this last game.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
But I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
We've talked about it from the standpoint of their return game,
and I've heard there's more and more of this kind
of this rumbling from Cowboys nation of and we're just
not getting the same level of big plays in the
return game that we've become accustomed to seeing. And so
my question for you guys, if you agree that that's
happening this year, do you think it's a result of
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the unit, the coach or the returner?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Can I can I go first there, Vach before thank
you appreciate that. I think you have a returner now
that looks at himself as a starting wide receiver or
that type of a player that I don't see. I
don't see the same. And listen, the blocking hasn't been outstanding,
but you don't see that when you talk about Turpin
and how he won that game for you in Washington
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last year with his ability to go out and to
make the plays you know that he was able to make,
you know, it was just incredible. His ability to attack,
to put pressure. I thought when they had this new
kickoff rule that every time Dallas snapped the ball, it
was going to be at the their forty eight yard line,
much like you saw in the Detroit game. I think
you got a player now that kind of sees him
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as a receiver. And I don't see the same kind
of the attacking thisess. I don't see the vision. I
don't see the hit the hole. I don't see the quickness,
the burst, the pressure that you put on or that
he at one time put on opponents. And yeah, I
mentioned they haven't been blocking it particularly well, but we've
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seen teams take advantage of even ordinary returners look superhuman.
And you know Dallas has struggled with that. They've struggled
with coverage. And but your returner doesn't look like the
all pro guy that he was maybe two three years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Can I real quick?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Let me I want to ask you a question about
what that looks like. Is that he doesn't have the
same burst, doesn't have the same urgency. He's not seeing
it well, because when I hear you say that, he's
like he's he's seeing himself more as a receiver. Yeah,
I'm having a hard time with figuring out how that
means he's actually not a good.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Return or.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
He doesn't want to. He doesn't want to injure himself.
That's what you're going His way of making his way
of making a living now is is that he's an
eleven personnel player, you know, And do I want to
put myself in harm's way to keep me from not
being an eleven personnel player. That's that's his elevation of
going in And I don't fault the guy. He's now
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getting more offensive reps, you know. And so if he's
getting more offensive reps, what does that mean, Oh, we
don't look at him anymore as a kick returner. We
look look at him as an offensive player. So when
we start to talk about contracts going forward and things
like that, he's got to maximize that. I think he's
trying to do his very best to maximize his his
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receiving game or receiving part of his game, as to like,
he's okay with Okay, I'm going to be a returner,
but I'm also this is what it's in in in
connection to him being a receiver. That's that's kind of
how I look at it. It doesn't look like the
same player returning the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It seems like he's trying to take less risks. So
I'm witch on that, Brian. But I think what we
see from a lot of these returns, how they thrive
in these situations, is just going, yeah, just just go
like you know whatever you got Billless to do that,
whatever the look was at one time, and turpn one thirty,
you know, one hundred and thirty whatever he is. But
now I see Turping trying to set up blocks and
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he's kind of joggy a little bit, and he does
have the ability to like go and hit top speed immediately.
But maybe it'll be better for him, and this may
be a mental thing, maybe it'll be better for him
if he just fearlessly goes. Now, that cat for the
Lions last week, he's he's much bigger. He seems to
be like a like a like a thicker bill so
he was ready to just run into whoever the hell
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he was about to run into. I don't think Turping
particularly likes to run into people. Like when he's gotten hurt.
It's been him getting like hit on, like kicking team
like not like hurt, hurt, hurt, but like he'll take
a big hit and get up and go woo. I'm
one fifty, so I'm hoping that he's not gotten some
fear out of out of getting thumped on kick return,
because you really need that dude to to help your offense.
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Like this offense gets backed up a lot, and you
know the offense is good enough to work itself out
of it. But this offense will probably put more points
on the board earlier in some of these games if
they had some favorable field position.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I would say this though, I think he's always had
that same return style of kind of the job, job,
oh go, because I remember even last year when he
was having some of those bigger returns. I sit beside
Nick in the press box and it would drive him crazy.
He's like run run, oh oh yeah, he turned into something.
So I don't think that that's a change in how
he does it. I just don't think it's working this year.
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And maybe he's gonna have to alter that a little
bit and just take it and go. And because he
may not have the same level of blocking to really
set up blocks because guys aren't getting blocks. But the
fact of the matter is, like I think that's been
a part of his game going back last year and
the year before when he was returning kicks.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's my opinion, And.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
If that's gonna be the case, then Turpin needs to
not run directly into blockers and defenders like that's that's
another thing there.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
If that's running, he is running into darkness quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
He's running right into it more than we've used to
seeing him for Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Maybe not seeing it well, maybe not. I mean, there's
all these things that are kind of factoring in. But
there was a time where I felt like he had
a really good feel for how to set things up.
If it was if it's you know, it's start left
or turn right, you know, if it was press left
and to get everybody over and then and then bounce
that thing. We haven't seen that. It has been kind
of go left, stay left, and get tackled on the
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twenty six yard line. And that's what it's been.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
That's what also makes me wonder. I don't know this
for a fact, but it makes me wonder if it's
more about the unit because before he trusted, he trusted
that that darkness that he's running into right now, what's
going to open up right at the right time and
he was going to be through it. And now he's
running and it doesn't open up, and so it looks
like he's running into darkness when really he was trying
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to trust what was supposed to be there and.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's just not there.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, it ain't worrying.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's not working.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
It's not working, And I'm gonna have to figure that
part out because I think there's some some some challenges
from overall standpoint right now. Is there anything that they
can do with their special teams, because we've talked about
the coverage units, We've talked about their return unit today.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Is there anything they can do in season to be
able to affect that, you.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Know, as a bone hitted offensive. Dude, I really don't
study teams in that way, Derek Gigs, but if I
had to guess, if I had to guess, you know,
I don't know how much the rule changes applied, you know,
like like maybe like we get a new rule change
and they have a conversation about things. But I want
to know what was Bones kind of saying to him,
versus what its Sorenson saying to him, you know, versus
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whoever whoever?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I wonder like, is this a coaching aspect where they're
saying Okay, well, we want you to look at it
this way because maybe if you start this way and
do that, it'll open up kind of like this run
game kind of works in that way, like, hey, this
is your lane. But look there. Maybe Turp is doing
more more thinking as opposed to just I'm just running
and being fastened everybody, but made a lot of money
just being faster than everybody. So I would love for
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him to cut out the thinking aspect and just fly.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yeah. I think that there's some things you could absolutely
do about it, but the problem is you can't do
it during the season, right, That's right?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
What can you right now?
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Now?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Let's let's be honest about Mingo, Let's be honest about Tolbert,
Let's be honest about about Schoonmaker. Let's be honest about
you know, guys that are out there playing. I mean,
let's be out there honest about C. J. Goodwin, who
is on this roster right now, is a special teams player.
You could go through the whole defense. You can look
at the Hey, Shamar James doing his job. That's a
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rookie guy. Is uh you know what's going on with
Marquise Bell? Is he doing his job? You know there
there are guys in place that they have that they're
these backup guys that are having to play, you know,
on special teams. But that's your job. I mean, you
do not have a badass guy. C. J. Goodwin is
supposed to be your designated special teams player. I can
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tell you times running down there and you know, diving
at tackles, diving at tackles, missing tackles. I could tell
you about a kickoff return where he's what they call
l one, He's the farthest guy on the outside, and
what they do is kick him. They kick him outside
and now they run the ball up inside. If you're
the designated special teams player, that's supposed to be the
guy that everybody knows and is like respects as a
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leader and all that stuff like that, we'll go make
some plays. Go get a block. I mean, how many
times have we seen Dallas not get a block? Or
how many it's a hold on eighty six on Schoonmaker,
it's a hold on fifty schamar James, how many times
have we seen that where all of a sudden the
ball gets out to maybe the thirty five and now
it's inside the eighteen. Because you guys didn't do their jobs. Yeah,
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they need to look at overall the type of players
that they're now because Schamar James, it's really not an
excuse for him anymore. He's not playing a lot of
defensive snaps him, Maris Leafol. Those guys aren't playing a
lot of defensive snaps. I see Marrius Leafoul run around
there and bang around and knock into people and stuff
like that, and I'm cool with that. Hunter lipke See
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is kind of the same thing. But overall they need
to get better as a unit when it comes to
their ability to block and give give this guy a
chance to run.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Right, We're gonna take our first break. We will come back.
We're going to dive into the Minnesota office versus the
Dallas defense.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Will be back.
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This is the second segment of the Break. We're living
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the Minnesota off that say some you know our contest winner.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Uh Nick, that's gonna be in. You're sweet. He's in
the comments right now. Nick se says, Hey, Voch, I'm
the guy who won the tickets last week's love to you.
Uh am, I gonna meet you this Sunday. I don't know,
is he I'm asking you?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Why you're asking me because I don't I don't know.
I don't control your movement. I'm I supposed to know
if you're gonna be in.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
You don't control my movements, but you make a decision
that will make me make a decision. The decision I
don't know, but your contest want tell me what this is.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I don't know what would will do our best to
come by and see? How about that? You know you're
gonna be there. That's saying you're gonna be my best
to come. You know I'm gonna go by.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Because you have an employer that that that that that
puts you in that place. Brian Broh, do you feel
what I'm saying? So when Nick says, hey, voch, am
I gonna get a chance to see you, Derek, is
he gonna.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I don't know, it's calling you out for not getting
a credential? Is he gonna be able to credential?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You need a credential?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
What that means? It means you have a credential to
go to the game. I know what that means.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
But like, so do I get the real joint or like, see,
thats what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
That's what I'm gonna be. I'll be sitting in the press.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I want to be in the suite and I don't
want to get tackled by security.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Then that's what you should have said from the vier.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I want to shake hands with post malone and your
uh in your private spe That's what Harris Crawford.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
That's what you should have SNI gonna.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Be there too. You ain't hearing.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
We ain't gonna be that now. You're gonna have to
catch me on one of these other meet and Greece Blind.
We talked about the book.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
We'll talk about it later. Let's talk about the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's talk about the.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
K They are five and eight right now, grab the wheel,
wi yeah, he will they are.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
They are driving right off the road.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
You're right. They are fourth in the NFC North.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
They're coached by Kevin Kevin O'Connell, who is a really,
really good coach.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
They are right now.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
When you talk about the points that they've scored, they're
averaging about nineteen point six points per game. They are
twenty six in the NFL in that category. But here's
the interesting part. Last week they lost I'm sorry, they
beat Washington thirty one and nothing a beat down.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The week before that they lost the Seattle twenty six.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
And during the season they've also beaten playoff caliber teams
like Chicago and Detroit.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Who is this team?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
It sounds like they're a bad team that on a
given Sunday can be pretty good.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Mister Eagleton, we're gonna talk about the Vikings offense today,
and that ain't the reason. But Cowboy fans know this
more now than anything. A defense can either keep you
in the game or to keep you out of it. Yea,
regardless of what your offense looks like. If we look
at Filly and how they operate, you know, I would
love I get so jealous the quarterback through five interscesss
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or something, and then your defense go out there and
get another one on herb it or get a fumble
on herb and get the ball.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Right back to you.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I think the Vikings defense kind of operates in that way.
The Vikings offense ain't good. It ain't good, but just
because they're not good doesn't mean that they won't have
a good day versus Cowboys defense. I'm just talking about
Vikings versus everybody else. The Vikings haven't been doing great
things on offense, but it's not like they're getting smoked
in these games because their defense isn't giving up all
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the points in the world. They're decent versus the run,
but they're really good versus the past, and you know,
for example, you say a playoff team like the Bears,
Kayler Williams is still a young quarterback, so Flora is
a dial some up pressure wise and do some good
things cover wise. That'll make things weird for Caleb. So
you could be a better team. But styles may, fights,
matchups matter so to where blitzing may not affect dacking
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that way, but it'll affect another quarterback like Jared Goff
who's not gonna run around that much, or Kayler Williams
who will run but won't look downfield. So the Vikings
don't get blown out at all, but they don't put
up points either.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, I think to me, when you look at their
offense though, it really is about the quarterback play. You know,
they've had starts where you know, JJ McCarthy he heard
his knee last year, so it's his rookie year was
really you know, nonexistent, so this is like his first
year and you kind of feel like though that there's
you know, coming out of Michigan, like, Okay, this guy's tough,
he's savvy, he's a winner, you know, he's a leader,
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all these things, but you watch him, he makes the
rookie mistakes as a quarterback. He will, you know, he
will see him in the pocket. Sometimes Fots likes to
say he'll sack himself by his movement. He gets a
little jittery in the pocket. There's only one other team
in the league that throws the ball down the field
more than the Vikings. And and but the Vikings struggle
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with completions down the field.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
They throw it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
They try and get the ball down the field. They will,
they will throw the ball.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
But that actually scares me against this defense.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
It is it is.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And you think about this though, but you know, and
this is where the eye tests will tell you. They're like, God,
he missed another guy miss I mean, I'm watching a game.
I'm watching a game against the Commanders with the last
week against the Commanders, and Hockinson the tight end, and
Addison and these guys are running, you know. They this
team doesn't run a lot of inbreaking routes. A lot
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of their balls are to the outside, so they're not
running in breaking routes. But all of a sudden, Hawkinson's
wide open, Addison wide open, and this quarterback just can't
get him the ball. So that's the really the biggest
issue right now. And their offensive line I think is
a is a decent one. I think when you start
to talk about Christian Derisil, he's the guy that's probably
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the most recognizable on this offensive line. But as a
left tackle, you know, he's had his struggles. He's had
his struggles with injuries. There's a team, it's a team
that really particularly doesn't handle the movement stuff up front
very well. You see the problems with some of the guards,
some of the stunts that weigh they're past. You've seen
some problems with some of the blitzes. You know, teams
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have kind of taken advantage of this quarterback and like
they've got his eye level down and he's having to
deal with that. So he watched the sacks. It's it's
been a little bit of a problem for them. But
you get don't get ready. The ball will go down
the field, and you know with Justin Jefferson, I mean
he will go down the field, and Addison he will
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go down the field. It's going to be about can
you know Dallas is this quarterback. Can they get enough
pressure on him on on the on McCarthy to make
that eye level come down and then him hold the
ball and not see some of those routes that have
developed down the field.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
My favorite favorite stat for JJ McCarthy and it's probably
like thirty nine quarterbacks qualifying for it, but my favorite stat.
He's starting, but he's the worst in the league at
throwing to wide open targets.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, he's the worst in That's like saying you're a
linebacker and just don't tackle very well basically right, like
the layups.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, the thing that you just have to be able
to do if you're gonna play this correct.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And you say that Dak is the best.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Right back ship right around ninety one percent open targets,
and you're McCarthy's right around seventy one to seventy two.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So he's the worst in the league. He's see the
wide open people throwing it and missing it. But that's
the that's kind of the story here. Like justin Jefferson
Mad wasn't that coming out of college?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
He's a guy when you watch it think it was
all that good. Yeah, when you when you watch them
in Michigan though, I mean you did see a guy
that their offensive line really did a nice shot. They
were physical running the football, you.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Know, they were running team.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, they were they were very much a They were
very much a like that that team that was you know,
that horrorball mentality of how you play. Yep, that's what
they were at Michigan. And you know, like I said,
I I think the thing that I liked about him
the most was how competitive he was. It's I mean,
super and you see it, you see it. I mean,
he is a guy when he runs, when he scrambles,
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you need to kind of be worried about scrambling around guy.
But he is a go ahead first guy. He's like
trying to get the first down. He's not a slide guy.
He is a diving to try and get the first down.
So I've always admired his toughness though, but it is
it is wild to watch him miss throws at the
rate he does.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But this is this Cowboys defense where dreams come true,
and so this will be the one day where he'll
be uh, he'll be as accurate as possible.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
He was he was, so he did a good job.
Got the ball out against the Commanders a lot quicker
than they than they had in the other games.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Have a note for that, Derek.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
You go ahead.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
You know, if you watch the Washington Football Wizards, team.
They gave them wide receivers, a lot of space. There
was a lot of cushion by ten yards of it.
Play some zone, and we talk about Dann and them boys.
You know they normally man up on guys a little bit,
but for whatever reason, in that game, they played a
lot of zone. They gave a lot of cushion. Cowboys
play a lot of zone and a lot flows. Hey, man,
(28:27):
I know you're watching. You probably ain't fooling me right
in our flues, but just watch that Commander's game. And
you are an NFL defense coordinator, so I know you've
seen the Commander's game. Please don't make that same mistake
because it'll be real embarrassing. If you give Justin Jefferson
and Jordan Nassen free releases, it ain't gonna look good.
You already don't have a corner that can like match
up with them guys like man for man in that
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kind of way. But man might be your your better
out than to just let them run free. I think
your best bet is to disrupt the timing. We talked
about this from last week and Jared Goff and them
they're much better at it. But you don't want to
get embarrassed by this group who's not better at it,
and you be the one defense that makes them look
good at it. Please disrupt timing on these routes. Please
don't let Jefferson and nas and go off the line
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scrimmage easily, because the Washington team did. And no matter
how good we look at their front seven, you know,
with you know Newton and all those guys and Louvu
and Pain and all those that didn't matter because the
window was wilde over before him to throw.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And J. J.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
McCarthy's not a not a good password for the football.
He has nine touchdowns all year. He threw three touchdowns
last week. You see what I'm saying, Flues, Don't don't.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Let that be you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
What I'm what I'm hearing from you guys, is he's
the worst in the league at hitting wide open targets. Yes,
if that's the case, then why wouldn't you go into
this game thinking, Okay, let's force him to hit wide
open targets consistently to move the ball down the field
in which case, and but don't let him get the
big play, And that would say you run more zone.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's all man, that's a fantastic point. But like worse
in the league at throwing wide open, it's still seventy
five percent. So for every four pass, is that three goals?
And you know you, I still don't even want to
want to play that game. I still don't want to
mess around because he's terrible. But Cowboys defense make terrible
people look good. Cowboys as honest, Cowboys defense finds a
way to make terrible people look good.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Now that also, let's be clear, sure that was the
first iteration of this defense. I don't know that the
second iteration of this defense has made back quarterbacks so good.
They've only had one shot at it, Las Vegas Jail.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
They shut him down.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Jalen Hurst put up a lot of points in one quarter. Jail.
Hur's terrible until they made the adjustment. I mean, look
at what Pat Mahomes has been doing lately versus what
he did versus you know what I mean, Pat played
his best game versus you for sure, and and I
think you know Jared GoF of course they went out
there and went crazy, but that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think that's hoping.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You're hoping that what happened last week was just the
lines being so fantastic on offense, we were on the.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
The biggest difference right now is and you could take
your pick, would you rather have Williams and Saint Brown
or would you rather have Jefferson and our guy Addison Madison.
You know, that's what you got to ask yourself, because
I think it's a really good combination. The biggest difference
of this game is the quarterback's accuracy. That's those receivers
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are comparable. That's a complable. Like you you could get
people to say, well, of the pair of Addison and Jefferson,
what you take him them are Browner or Williams? Saint
Brown or Williams. See, that's that's the thing about it
is you've got to I've got to find ways. Early
in that game against the Lions, you affected the way
he threw the ball. You just got away from that.
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I don't think you can make the same mistake. You
need to stay on this guy the whole game. And
you say and go back to that, like as I
hate to be this guy, but I would rather die
a quick death in a slow one. Don't don't don't
let me, don't let on third downs all of a sudden,
this quarterback McCarthy getting a little rhythm and all of
a sudden get a little confidence. He's playing well.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
With the offense you got, you actually can't sustain that
because if they get a quick one, your offense can
also go down and get a quick one.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Too, because honestly, you know you don't have top tier corners.
Let's just be clear, but you've played top tier receivers
all year. You've played the best receivers in the league
all year. It just depends on what your coordinator doing.
I think you'll do fine versus group and justin Jefferson's fantastic,
having a bad year because of the passer saying with Addison.
Addison seems to be more of the deep ball guys, right,
and then Jefferson or whatever, and they just be missing,
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but they be throwing them. But this is all about
Fluce and how he's approaching it. If this was some
elite Cowboys defense, I wouldn't say a good thing at
all about the Vikings offense. It just happens in context
of Cowboys defense. They can give you a long day
if you love.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Real quick too, Derek, the way they run the ball,
I know you'll probably ask about that is because they
play with a full back. This is a team that
kind of plays with They'll play in I formation, okam, yeah,
old school football I formation. A lot of play action
in the game here. But you know, when you start
to talk about these backs, Aaron Jones and then also
Jordan Mason, the way that they run the ball, it's
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like it's inside. It's inside, and then it's a stretch
to the ad, stretch the edge and they try and
get around the corner. Not a lot of wiggle.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
This is one of those teams too. You got to
worry about the screen game. One of the top three
in the league when it comes to screen. We talk
about it every week. What did Detroit try and do
early in that game? Throw the screen, throw the swings.
You saw how those kind of affect the Cowboys. The
Cowboys don't particularly handle passes in the flat very well.
I guarantee you Minnesota is going to try and get
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either a wide receiver screen or one of these screens
a swing to their backs and and see if they
can do some good. Because teams all year long have
really taken you to task of having to play in
the flat.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Do you expect this to be a week because of
their their run game. Do you expect this to be
a week where they tend to do a little bit
more of the five man front stuff.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Man, I would hope. I would hope. I don't really
and it would be it would be good. I think
to listen, the run fits against the Lions were really poor,
really poor. I know, watch and I broke that down,
you know, on our channel, and it was you know,
we you know, watch it a great job of pointing
it out, Like you got guys like why is Oosa
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flying into the A gap and there's nobody in the
B and where's the C? And against Kansas City you
kind of saw the fits. I think with this group,
it's not the quality of the backs that you faced
the last several weeks. It's kind of that try and
wear you down offense. So yeah, you know, but if
you play bad run fits like you did against Detroit,
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you're gonna have some problems. I mean, it's just it's
just that's what Dallas is. It doesn't matter who's carrying
the ball. If you're bat on your run fits, then
then they're going to be issues.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
U asked, was this a good week to run out
the five man fronts more. Last week was a good time.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
To run the five man.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I was kind of you only did that, and you
only did it eleven times? First, so much worse offensive
line like that? That Lion's offensive line was so compromising.
You saw early in the game. Well, when me and
Brian did our film session, I'm messing petty, So I
put the down and distance up there, you know what
I'm saying. So while good things are happening, I'm circling like, hey, y'all,
this is all in the first drives of the game.
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Bad things happening. This is all second quartering on. I
don't know what I would love to ask them. I
need to go to one of the coordinated joints and
just and just get get kicked out of there. But
I would just love to ask them, what what what
made you be successful in those first few drives, and like,
what made you go away from that? What made you
go away from If Flues want me to shut up
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next week, do what you did in the first drive
last week, first couple of drives, first couple of quarter,
do it all.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Do it.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Do it the rest of the year, and I'll shut
up and apologize. The Flues but he won't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Will you shut up and apologize the flu?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I will shut up and apologize the flues. But flues
won't show me consistency every time I come up here.
Every time he gonna take every time I come up here.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
And look, I told you I asked about that playing
Spike coverage and that was the last still I think
that was week three.
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Speaker 6 (38:52):
All right, we got final segment. We only got about
five minutes left. But I did have a couple of
names I want to throw at you guys, and I
want you tell me your thoughts as I throw.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
These names out. Let's start with Kenny Clark. What are
your thoughts on him?
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Right now? Man?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Kenny doing all right?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You know, I think I think teams are going to
continue to adjusting. You got to keep adjusting. I think
one thing Green Bay did really well with Clark when
he was there. Man, you will see Kenny play a gap,
then you'll see him play some four eyed, and you'll
see see him play some some wide, you know what
I mean. And Kenny's athletic enough to do it. He's
strong enough to play anywhere. I think sometimes, you know,
(39:24):
with with you know, with his role, he gets stuck
in one play sometimes and I don't want that for him.
Solomon Thomas is another guy like that. He's really good
all over the place, but he's kind of stuck in
at one spot. And I think it's easy for teams
to make adjustments when these guys are in the same
spot every time. If there's the next adjustment that I
would love from whoever's in charge of the next adjustment
is you have these guys on the on the D line,
(39:45):
move him around a little bit. Jerry on the radio
and kind of alluded to it. And when Jerry make
makes small whispers, it's really something that somebody talk to
him about. He said, Man, we're good enough. We got
enough guys. OLSA can probably get a little wider sometimes.
I would love to see what that looks like, especially
when you versus these teams that will probably beat you
on the run game physically. But Kenny Clark as an
edge guy where it would be Dante Fowler, Ben run
the other two guys at the one in the three
(40:06):
and play your your four man front, your down fronts
and just have a bigger edge do. I think that'd
be great. But as far as what Kenny's doing right now,
since Quentnin got here, Kenny's been just as good as
he was when he first got here.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
I would have loved to see that last week. That
would have been a good week, those big guys lined
up out there.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I'm just but yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I kind of
feel like that with Kenny. You know, it's the season's
kind of taking its toll. On him a little bit,
you know, and and he early in the year of
those campaigns. I mean, you get would you get Quentin
Williams in the week eleven or something like that. It's
been a four week run or so that we've seen
with quinnin Williams and him, and he's done a great job.
I mean, nobody's gotten more pressures at the defensive tackles,
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but I think he's like twenty twenty one percent pressure rate,
which is better than what like an Aaron Donald has
even done from the defensive tackle spot. So that shows
you in that small time period, I think that's helped.
I think that's helped Kenny. But there's there's been some
times where, you know, Kenny has got to be careful
about how how tall he plays in games. There's there's
times when he rushes the passer, you see him kind
(41:05):
of get locked up. He gets double teamed. That's a
hard thing to have to beat double teams, you know.
I mean the teams are having to kind of determine
do you double Quinn and Williams? Do you double? You know,
Kenny Clark, who do you double on this? He faced
so many double teams early and I think he's a
little bit worre down now. I don't think he has
that that power, that punch that he had, you know,
early in the season, and hopefully he can, you know
(41:26):
with now the way that these games, you know, with
these games coming so quick and so many days, these
guys get a little bit worre down, and I think
that was kind of happening to him. Maybe this a
little bit of a break, this ten day break and
getting back on a normal schedule and letting his body
kind of heal somewhat get it a little bit for
this final push. He'll be okay. Hopefully that's the case.
If not, though, like I say, he's been steady. He
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was much better earlier. But I think it's kind of
the wear and tarry getting to him.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Donovan does a Roku thoughts.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Man, he's so good as a run dude now, like
he has such a feel as a run due his
pass rush stuff isn't there like it was early in
the season. It could be because Quinn getting there quick.
I don't know, but just as a rundown guy, I'm
surprised at the level of read and react on him,
more like the instincts on him. He doesn't get caught
up on these blocks, and maybe I'm super surprised to
(42:16):
him because of what his peers are doing. You know,
you look at the you know some of the other
cowboy edgses. I ain't got say anybody in particularly, but
sometimes they get lasted on block. Sometimes they run a
field and look around. Sometimes they don't, you know, do
the small technique things. Donvinezroku's a guy coming out of
Boston College that I thought was a day one pass rusher,
year three, good run dude, shock the hell out of me,
year one, real good run dude, year one, and the
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pass rush stuff is still going to be there when.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Of you his splits are completely opposite of what I thought,
and I think vach nailed it perfectly there. I expected
him to come in and the learning curve of the
pass or will be really, really small. You know, not
to say that he hasn't had moments, but I felt
like that he was going to be a guy that
was constantly harassing quarterbacks. So you do see some pressures,
you do, But where you've noticed him Moore is actually
(43:01):
playing as a run defender. So that's where and that
that not that he was a good run defender. Boston College,
but not to this level.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Now he's your best guy.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Not to the point, yeah, he is one of your
best when it comes to you were kind of thinking about,
you know, and you know, we were talking about Marshaw
Kneelan and Marshaw k Neelan being a guy when you
know that he was he was kind of the the
Tank Lawrence guy. So I think the way you look
at Donovanezarako, he looks more like the Tank Lawrence guy
now for you uh, you know, and not just because
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of the tragedy, but he's kind of playing in that way.
He looks like he has pastorish ability plus the plus
plus run defense.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
All right, that's right, we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
We stretched that clack I had a lot more, but
actually we'll get to those another day. We will tomorrow
get into the Minnesota defense versus Cowboys offense. That'll be
a challenge for the Cowboys, but we'll see how it
goes till them for watching, some body Brian brought us.
I'm Derek Eiglton. This has been a break live on
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Speaker 6 (00:37):
It is Wednesday, December tenth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
episode number ninety one. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Today we got the crew in minus miss Garcia. She
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is out today. Actually she's gonna be out the rest
of the week. So this is gonna be us, man.
Actually it's just two of us by Friday, because Brian
won't be here Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
On his birthday. Of course he's gonna be out on us.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
So boy there, I'm gonna stress you out on for
It's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Me and you on Friday.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Well, no, no, no, no, we have a special guest
that will be joining us on Nick Eatman, so a
little bit of.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Three of us. But let me just tell you this.
You can't stress me out. I've been I've been through
the fire man.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You can't stress I start cussing, I start saying.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
I got a producer back there that can cut your
mic quick quick.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're not gonna stress. We've got fun. We've got fun,
and we'll miss you, Brian, but thank you, we'll have fun.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Appreciate that. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'll be out that day.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And man, you got on your ls. You getyeah excited
about your new coach.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
We talked about that we outspend, we'll go tigers. I
gotten pretty good at this one. Yeah, yeah, you know,
well we've we we're gonna do things so the right
way to LSU gonna we're gonna try and know you
know what, I don't know, coach. Coach might hire me back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I don't know, you know what.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
That's pretty good, man. I'll do him on radio. Like
every once in a while, somebody will say something about coach,
and I'll well, you know, Dawson, you don't know much
about the football team. You you act like you know
the football team, but you you don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You don't.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
I don't know the football team. I know I know
all about those tacos, pretty good, man.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
There's nothing better than winning the championship and getting bought
out and just going to live your life. And man,
in the swamp of something must be not after the championship,
then you get your breath.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
And then later they call you back and like, hey,
you want to come, you want to come confense?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Man, Hey, I love that one. Oh chilling, but I
love that one.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah. It's uh college football though. I hate to say
this though, and and here I am. I mean real quick,
we're guilty of this l s you. We'll spend money
and we'll we'll go after your players and all that.
That's what this coach is about to do. But man,
we this this this system. Just listen. And then the
UH driving in talking about Sam Levitt, the quarterback at
arizonam State and how you know he you know, two
(03:06):
years of Arizon State. They have this you know, the
positive and next thing you know, it's Arizona State can't
pay him, so now he has to go somewhere else
where in a system I think is broken. I'm all
about paying players, I really am. I just worry about
the levels of loyalty and all that. And there's no
loyalties with the coaches either to the way that they
go off and do things. So it's difficult. And we
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all love college football. We all love college football, and
uh but man, we're getting to a point in time
now where I don't I don't recognize this and I'm
worried about the future of it. And I think the
future of it, there actually will be some super conference
and then the teams that if you went to a
school that's not in the super Conference, then you know,
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you might be not enjoying football as much. You know.
That's what I hate.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I just I think, at the end of the day,
if you're gonna if you're gonna put limits on players
with regards to their more movement, because I think right
now it is the wild Wild West is basically free
agency every year. If you're going to limit that, then
you gotta do the same for coaches. It can't be
one system for coaches. Once I'm glad you did it.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Like, no, no, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It can't be one system for coaches and one system
for players.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah, if they're gonna if everybody's gonna abide by a contract,
then everybody needs to abide by a con I'd.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Love to see. I'd love to see, like from a
coaching standpoint, and I promise you we'll get to the
Cowboys here in a second, but I'd love to see
from the I'd love to see from a player perspective,
from maybe a program, whether it's Texas, Southern, miss Lsue wherever,
that to me that you have either a one year
deal or a three year deal. You sign this. If
you tell me you're only going to be here for
a one year, then I know I can plan to
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do what I have to do. If you make a
commitment to me for one year, I can live with that.
You make a commitment to me for three years, then
I'm like, okay, well then hey, let's work it out
this way and stuff. There has to be something I
think that people are talking about. Maybe you might see
a deal where college football players or college athletes unionize
and then you have collective bargaining ways and things like that.
(05:00):
It's you know, it's that would be We've seen how
that could be a little bit of a mess or
maybe some positive things.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
But that might be the best way to get it
to a point where it actually makes sense, because then
you can actually say, Okay, here's a contract and for
this amount of time, this team owns your rights. Now,
I don't know how they make coaches by by their contracts,
I would assume it could be the same thing where
for this amount of time, the team owns your rights,
and if you want to go to another team, you
have to that team has to negotiate for your rights
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to be there. Absolutely, and then it becomes something that's
a little more equitable. But I just really think you're
gonna have to do something both sides of that, if
you're gonna if you're gonna put some limits on it.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I asked Brian today, what we got to do to
get our guy flora is over here? Brian floor is
this is the league hasn't got none to do with
college football, but we just talking about coaches moving around.
I was like, man, in week what fifteen? Yeah, fourteen fifteen?
What I got to do right now to give Brian
Floory is over That's I wish I'm talking about that,
we can talk about him. I wish the league worked
it this way. I will talk about him. I wish
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that we had an av leg director and then Jerry
be like, hey man, we're gonna fire somebody in week
two and we're gonna have an interim defensive Damn sorry,
if you have the interiom somebody coach, and then we'll
bring in somebody.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
News in NFL, I'm telling you, we just saw love
college football. Really, we love it, and I'm I'm happy
the players are getting paid. But man, this thing is
it's getting way way out of hand with the movement
of it all.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Well, I would love to see the day come when
you have a super conferences. I think that will solve
a lot of problems.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, if you have two.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Honestly, the way I look at it is you take
the SEC, take the Big Ten, expand both those leagues
out to include all the teams from all those other
conferences that are worth being in that grouping, and that's
basically your two conferences.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's your NFC and your AFC.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
You got one of them, you know, the one that's
kind of the Big Ten, and everybody else there and
then you got the SEC and everybody else there, and
then you go at it, and I think that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Would be a great way to do it.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
And then the two that come out of those two
conferences end up in the College play College Chace.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Well, I tell you what, I'll be coming to Myron,
and I know we have a lot of people here
that are North Texas grits. You know what they've done
over there in Dent and all that. I admire. I
admire the programs that have the athletic directors that can
evaluate coaches. Because every year North Texas gets picked by
their basketball coach leaves, goes.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
To a better situation, they find another one, their.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Coach, their their football coach goes and leaves every year.
Give me the guy or the gal that can run
an athletic department that knows how to evaluate the coaches
and talent. And that that's why to me, those people
are so valuable, so valuable programs, no doubt.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
All right, let's talk a little cowboys. What I wanted
to do in our first segment today is I wanted
to talk a little bit about special teams. This is
the topic we haven't talked a lot about. We've talked
about some of the challenges. I think earlier this week
we talked about that because it was so apparent in
this last game.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
But I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
We've talked about it from the standpoint of their return game,
and I've heard there's more and more of this kind
of this rumbling from Cowboys nation of and we're just
not getting the same level of big plays in the
return game that we've become accustomed to seeing. And so
my question for you guys, if you agree that that's
happening this year, do you think it's a result of
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the unit, the coach or the returner?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Can I can I go first there, Vach before thank
you appreciate that. I think you have a returner now
that looks at himself as a starting wide receiver or
that type of a player that I don't see. I
don't see the same. And listen, the blocking hasn't been outstanding,
but you don't see that when you talk about Turpin
and how he won that game for you in Washington
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last year with his ability to go out and to
make the plays you know that he was able to make,
you know, it was just incredible. His ability to attack,
to put pressure. I thought when they had this new
kickoff rule that every time Dallas snapped the ball, it
was going to be at the their forty eight yard line,
much like you saw in the Detroit game. I think
you got a player now that kind of sees him
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as a receiver. And I don't see the same kind
of the attacking thisess. I don't see the vision. I
don't see the hit the hole. I don't see the quickness,
the burst, the pressure that you put on or that
he at one time put on opponents. And yeah, I
mentioned they haven't been blocking it particularly well, but we've
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seen teams take advantage of even ordinary returners look superhuman.
And you know Dallas has struggled with that. They've struggled
with coverage. And but your returner doesn't look like the
all pro guy that he was maybe two three years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Can I real quick?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Let me I want to ask you a question about
what that looks like. Is that he doesn't have the
same burst, doesn't have the same urgency. He's not seeing
it well, because when I hear you say that, he's
like he's he's seeing himself more as a receiver. Yeah,
I'm having a hard time with figuring out how that
means he's actually not a good.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Return or.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
He doesn't want to. He doesn't want to injure himself.
That's what you're going His way of making his way
of making a living now is is that he's an
eleven personnel player, you know, And do I want to
put myself in harm's way to keep me from not
being an eleven personnel player. That's that's his elevation of
going in And I don't fault the guy. He's now
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getting more offensive reps, you know. And so if he's
getting more offensive reps, what does that mean, Oh, we
don't look at him anymore as a kick returner. We
look look at him as an offensive player. So when
we start to talk about contracts going forward and things
like that, he's got to maximize that. I think he's
trying to do his very best to maximize his his
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receiving game or receiving part of his game, as to like,
he's okay with Okay, I'm going to be a returner,
but I'm also this is what it's in in in
connection to him being a receiver. That's that's kind of
how I look at it. It doesn't look like the
same player returning the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
It seems like he's trying to take less risks. So
I'm witch on that, Brian. But I think what we
see from a lot of these returns, how they thrive
in these situations, is just going, yeah, just just go
like you know whatever you got Billless to do that,
whatever the look was at one time, and turpn one thirty,
you know, one hundred and thirty whatever he is. But
now I see Turping trying to set up blocks and
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he's kind of joggy a little bit, and he does
have the ability to like go and hit top speed immediately.
But maybe it'll be better for him, and this may
be a mental thing, maybe it'll be better for him
if he just fearlessly goes. Now, that cat for the
Lions last week, he's he's much bigger. He seems to
be like a like a like a thicker bill so
he was ready to just run into whoever the hell
(11:37):
he was about to run into. I don't think Turping
particularly likes to run into people. Like when he's gotten hurt.
It's been him getting like hit on, like kicking team
like not like hurt, hurt, hurt, but like he'll take
a big hit and get up and go woo. I'm
one fifty, so I'm hoping that he's not gotten some
fear out of out of getting thumped on kick return,
because you really need that dude to to help your offense.
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Like this offense gets backed up a lot, and you
know the offense is good enough to work itself out
of it. But this offense will probably put more points
on the board earlier in some of these games if
they had some favorable field position.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I would say this though, I think he's always had
that same return style of kind of the job, job,
oh go, because I remember even last year when he
was having some of those bigger returns. I sit beside
Nick in the press box and it would drive him crazy.
He's like run run, oh oh yeah, he turned into something.
So I don't think that that's a change in how
he does it. I just don't think it's working this year.
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And maybe he's gonna have to alter that a little
bit and just take it and go. And because he
may not have the same level of blocking to really
set up blocks because guys aren't getting blocks. But the
fact of the matter is, like I think that's been
a part of his game going back last year and
the year before when he was returning kicks.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
That's my opinion, And.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
If that's gonna be the case, then Turpin needs to
not run directly into blockers and defenders like that's that's
another thing there.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
If that's running, he is running into darkness quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
He's running right into it more than we've used to
seeing him for Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Maybe not seeing it well, maybe not. I mean, there's
all these things that are kind of factoring in. But
there was a time where I felt like he had
a really good feel for how to set things up.
If it was if it's you know, it's start left
or turn right, you know, if it was press left
and to get everybody over and then and then bounce
that thing. We haven't seen that. It has been kind
of go left, stay left, and get tackled on the
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twenty six yard line. And that's what it's been.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
That's what also makes me wonder. I don't know this
for a fact, but it makes me wonder if it's
more about the unit because before he trusted, he trusted
that that darkness that he's running into right now, what's
going to open up right at the right time and
he was going to be through it. And now he's
running and it doesn't open up, and so it looks
like he's running into darkness when really he was trying
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to trust what was supposed to be there and.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's just not there.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, it ain't worrying.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It's not working.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
It's not working, And I'm gonna have to figure that
part out because I think there's some some some challenges
from overall standpoint right now. Is there anything that they
can do with their special teams, because we've talked about
the coverage units, We've talked about their return unit today.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Is there anything they can do in season to be
able to affect that, you.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Know, as a bone hitted offensive. Dude, I really don't
study teams in that way, Derek Gigs, but if I
had to guess, if I had to guess, you know,
I don't know how much the rule changes applied, you know,
like like maybe like we get a new rule change
and they have a conversation about things. But I want
to know what was Bones kind of saying to him,
versus what its Sorenson saying to him, you know, versus
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whoever whoever?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I wonder like, is this a coaching aspect where they're
saying Okay, well, we want you to look at it
this way because maybe if you start this way and
do that, it'll open up kind of like this run
game kind of works in that way, like, hey, this
is your lane. But look there. Maybe Turp is doing
more more thinking as opposed to just I'm just running
and being fastened everybody, but made a lot of money
just being faster than everybody. So I would love for
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him to cut out the thinking aspect and just fly.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yeah. I think that there's some things you could absolutely
do about it, but the problem is you can't do
it during the season, right, That's right?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
What can you right now?
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Now?
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Let's let's be honest about Mingo, Let's be honest about Tolbert,
Let's be honest about about Schoonmaker. Let's be honest about
you know, guys that are out there playing. I mean,
let's be out there honest about C. J. Goodwin, who
is on this roster right now, is a special teams player.
You could go through the whole defense. You can look
at the Hey, Shamar James doing his job. That's a
(15:22):
rookie guy. Is uh you know what's going on with
Marquise Bell? Is he doing his job? You know there
there are guys in place that they have that they're
these backup guys that are having to play, you know,
on special teams. But that's your job. I mean, you
do not have a badass guy. C. J. Goodwin is
supposed to be your designated special teams player. I can
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tell you times running down there and you know, diving
at tackles, diving at tackles, missing tackles. I could tell
you about a kickoff return where he's what they call
l one, He's the farthest guy on the outside, and
what they do is kick him. They kick him outside
and now they run the ball up inside. If you're
the designated special teams player, that's supposed to be the
guy that everybody knows and is like respects as a
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leader and all that stuff like that, we'll go make
some plays. Go get a block. I mean, how many
times have we seen Dallas not get a block? Or
how many it's a hold on eighty six on Schoonmaker,
it's a hold on fifty schamar James, how many times
have we seen that where all of a sudden the
ball gets out to maybe the thirty five and now
it's inside the eighteen. Because you guys didn't do their jobs. Yeah,
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they need to look at overall the type of players
that they're now because Schamar James, it's really not an
excuse for him anymore. He's not playing a lot of
defensive snaps him, Maris Leafol. Those guys aren't playing a
lot of defensive snaps. I see Marrius Leafoul run around
there and bang around and knock into people and stuff
like that, and I'm cool with that. Hunter lipke See
(16:52):
is kind of the same thing. But overall they need
to get better as a unit when it comes to
their ability to block and give give this guy a
chance to run.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Right, We're gonna take our first break. We will come back.
We're going to dive into the Minnesota office versus the
Dallas defense.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Will be back.
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the Minnesota off that say some you know our contest winner.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Uh Nick, that's gonna be in. You're sweet. He's in
the comments right now. Nick se says, Hey, Voch, I'm
the guy who won the tickets last week's love to you.
Uh am, I gonna meet you this Sunday. I don't know,
is he I'm asking you?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Why you're asking me because I don't I don't know.
I don't control your movement. I'm I supposed to know
if you're gonna be in.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
You don't control my movements, but you make a decision
that will make me make a decision. The decision I
don't know, but your contest want tell me what this is.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I don't know what would will do our best to
come by and see? How about that? You know you're
gonna be there. That's saying you're gonna be my best
to come. You know I'm gonna go by.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Because you have an employer that that that that that
puts you in that place. Brian Broh, do you feel
what I'm saying? So when Nick says, hey, voch, am
I gonna get a chance to see you, Derek, is
he gonna.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I don't know, it's calling you out for not getting
a credential? Is he gonna be able to credential?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You need a credential?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
What that means? It means you have a credential to
go to the game. I know what that means.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
But like, so do I get the real joint or like, see,
thats what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
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Speaker 4 (21:09):
I want to be in the suite and I don't
want to get tackled by security.
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Speaker 4 (21:13):
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Speaker 5 (21:18):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
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Speaker 5 (21:21):
Be there too. You ain't hearing.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
We ain't gonna be that now. You're gonna have to
catch me on one of these other meet and Greece Blind.
We talked about the book.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
We'll talk about it later. Let's talk about the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's talk about the.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
K They are five and eight right now, grab the wheel,
wi yeah, he will they are.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
They are driving right off the road.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
You're right. They are fourth in the NFC North.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
They're coached by Kevin Kevin O'Connell, who is a really,
really good coach.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
They are right now.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
When you talk about the points that they've scored, they're
averaging about nineteen point six points per game. They are
twenty six in the NFL in that category. But here's
the interesting part. Last week they lost I'm sorry, they
beat Washington thirty one and nothing a beat down.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
The week before that they lost the Seattle twenty six.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
And during the season they've also beaten playoff caliber teams
like Chicago and Detroit.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Who is this team?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
It sounds like they're a bad team that on a
given Sunday can be pretty good.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Mister Eagleton, we're gonna talk about the Vikings offense today,
and that ain't the reason. But Cowboy fans know this
more now than anything. A defense can either keep you
in the game or to keep you out of it. Yea,
regardless of what your offense looks like. If we look
at Filly and how they operate, you know, I would
love I get so jealous the quarterback through five interscesss
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or something, and then your defense go out there and
get another one on herb it or get a fumble
on herb and get the ball.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Right back to you.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I think the Vikings defense kind of operates in that way.
The Vikings offense ain't good. It ain't good, but just
because they're not good doesn't mean that they won't have
a good day versus Cowboys defense. I'm just talking about
Vikings versus everybody else. The Vikings haven't been doing great
things on offense, but it's not like they're getting smoked
in these games because their defense isn't giving up all
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the points in the world. They're decent versus the run,
but they're really good versus the past, and you know,
for example, you say a playoff team like the Bears,
Kayler Williams is still a young quarterback, so Flora is
a dial some up pressure wise and do some good
things cover wise. That'll make things weird for Caleb. So
you could be a better team. But styles may, fights,
matchups matter so to where blitzing may not affect dacking
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that way, but it'll affect another quarterback like Jared Goff
who's not gonna run around that much, or Kayler Williams
who will run but won't look downfield. So the Vikings
don't get blown out at all, but they don't put
up points either.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, I think to me, when you look at their
offense though, it really is about the quarterback play. You know,
they've had starts where you know, JJ McCarthy he heard
his knee last year, so it's his rookie year was
really you know, nonexistent, so this is like his first
year and you kind of feel like though that there's
you know, coming out of Michigan, like, Okay, this guy's tough,
he's savvy, he's a winner, you know, he's a leader,
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all these things, but you watch him, he makes the
rookie mistakes as a quarterback. He will, you know, he
will see him in the pocket. Sometimes Fots likes to
say he'll sack himself by his movement. He gets a
little jittery in the pocket. There's only one other team
in the league that throws the ball down the field
more than the Vikings. And and but the Vikings struggle
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with completions down the field.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
They throw it.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
They try and get the ball down the field. They will,
they will throw the ball.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
But that actually scares me against this defense.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
It is it is.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
And you think about this though, but you know, and
this is where the eye tests will tell you. They're like, God,
he missed another guy miss I mean, I'm watching a game.
I'm watching a game against the Commanders with the last
week against the Commanders, and Hockinson the tight end, and
Addison and these guys are running, you know. They this
team doesn't run a lot of inbreaking routes. A lot
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of their balls are to the outside, so they're not
running in breaking routes. But all of a sudden, Hawkinson's
wide open, Addison wide open, and this quarterback just can't
get him the ball. So that's the really the biggest
issue right now. And their offensive line I think is
a is a decent one. I think when you start
to talk about Christian Derisil, he's the guy that's probably
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the most recognizable on this offensive line. But as a
left tackle, you know, he's had his struggles. He's had
his struggles with injuries. There's a team, it's a team
that really particularly doesn't handle the movement stuff up front
very well. You see the problems with some of the guards,
some of the stunts that weigh they're past. You've seen
some problems with some of the blitzes. You know, teams
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have kind of taken advantage of this quarterback and like
they've got his eye level down and he's having to
deal with that. So he watched the sacks. It's it's
been a little bit of a problem for them. But
you get don't get ready. The ball will go down
the field, and you know with Justin Jefferson, I mean
he will go down the field, and Addison he will
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go down the field. It's going to be about can
you know Dallas is this quarterback. Can they get enough
pressure on him on on the on McCarthy to make
that eye level come down and then him hold the
ball and not see some of those routes that have
developed down the field.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
My favorite favorite stat for JJ McCarthy and it's probably
like thirty nine quarterbacks qualifying for it, but my favorite stat.
He's starting, but he's the worst in the league at
throwing to wide open targets.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, he's the worst in That's like saying you're a
linebacker and just don't tackle very well basically right, like
the layups.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, the thing that you just have to be able
to do if you're gonna play this correct.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And you say that Dak is the best.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Right back ship right around ninety one percent open targets,
and you're McCarthy's right around seventy one to seventy two.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So he's the worst in the league. He's see the
wide open people throwing it and missing it. But that's
the that's kind of the story here. Like justin Jefferson
Mad wasn't that coming out of college?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
He's a guy when you watch it think it was
all that good. Yeah, when you when you watch them
in Michigan though, I mean you did see a guy
that their offensive line really did a nice shot. They
were physical running the football, you.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Know, they were running team.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, they were they were very much a They were
very much a like that that team that was you know,
that horrorball mentality of how you play. Yep, that's what
they were at Michigan. And you know, like I said,
I I think the thing that I liked about him
the most was how competitive he was. It's I mean,
super and you see it, you see it. I mean,
he is a guy when he runs, when he scrambles,
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you need to kind of be worried about scrambling around guy.
But he is a go ahead first guy. He's like
trying to get the first down. He's not a slide guy.
He is a diving to try and get the first down.
So I've always admired his toughness though, but it is
it is wild to watch him miss throws at the
rate he does.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
But this is this Cowboys defense where dreams come true,
and so this will be the one day where he'll
be uh, he'll be as accurate as possible.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
He was he was, so he did a good job.
Got the ball out against the Commanders a lot quicker
than they than they had in the other games.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Have a note for that, Derek.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
You go ahead.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
You know, if you watch the Washington Football Wizards, team.
They gave them wide receivers, a lot of space. There
was a lot of cushion by ten yards of it.
Play some zone, and we talk about Dann and them boys.
You know they normally man up on guys a little bit,
but for whatever reason, in that game, they played a
lot of zone. They gave a lot of cushion. Cowboys
play a lot of zone and a lot flows. Hey, man,
(28:27):
I know you're watching. You probably ain't fooling me right
in our flues, but just watch that Commander's game. And
you are an NFL defense coordinator, so I know you've
seen the Commander's game. Please don't make that same mistake
because it'll be real embarrassing. If you give Justin Jefferson
and Jordan Nassen free releases, it ain't gonna look good.
You already don't have a corner that can like match
up with them guys like man for man in that
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kind of way. But man might be your your better
out than to just let them run free. I think
your best bet is to disrupt the timing. We talked
about this from last week and Jared Goff and them
they're much better at it. But you don't want to
get embarrassed by this group who's not better at it,
and you be the one defense that makes them look
good at it. Please disrupt timing on these routes. Please
don't let Jefferson and nas and go off the line
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scrimmage easily, because the Washington team did. And no matter
how good we look at their front seven, you know,
with you know Newton and all those guys and Louvu
and Pain and all those that didn't matter because the
window was wilde over before him to throw.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And J. J.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
McCarthy's not a not a good password for the football.
He has nine touchdowns all year. He threw three touchdowns
last week. You see what I'm saying, Flues, Don't don't.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Let that be you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
What I'm what I'm hearing from you guys, is he's
the worst in the league at hitting wide open targets. Yes,
if that's the case, then why wouldn't you go into
this game thinking, Okay, let's force him to hit wide
open targets consistently to move the ball down the field
in which case, and but don't let him get the
big play, And that would say you run more zone.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's all man, that's a fantastic point. But like worse
in the league at throwing wide open, it's still seventy
five percent. So for every four pass, is that three goals?
And you know you, I still don't even want to
want to play that game. I still don't want to
mess around because he's terrible. But Cowboys defense make terrible
people look good. Cowboys as honest, Cowboys defense finds a
way to make terrible people look good.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Now that also, let's be clear, sure that was the
first iteration of this defense. I don't know that the
second iteration of this defense has made back quarterbacks so good.
They've only had one shot at it, Las Vegas Jail.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
They shut him down.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Jalen Hurst put up a lot of points in one quarter. Jail.
Hur's terrible until they made the adjustment. I mean, look
at what Pat Mahomes has been doing lately versus what
he did versus you know what I mean, Pat played
his best game versus you for sure, and and I
think you know Jared GoF of course they went out
there and went crazy, but that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think that's hoping.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You're hoping that what happened last week was just the
lines being so fantastic on offense, we were on the.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
The biggest difference right now is and you could take
your pick, would you rather have Williams and Saint Brown
or would you rather have Jefferson and our guy Addison Madison.
You know, that's what you got to ask yourself, because
I think it's a really good combination. The biggest difference
of this game is the quarterback's accuracy. That's those receivers
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are comparable. That's a complable. Like you you could get
people to say, well, of the pair of Addison and Jefferson,
what you take him them are Browner or Williams? Saint
Brown or Williams. See, that's that's the thing about it
is you've got to I've got to find ways. Early
in that game against the Lions, you affected the way
he threw the ball. You just got away from that.
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I don't think you can make the same mistake. You
need to stay on this guy the whole game. And
you say and go back to that, like as I
hate to be this guy, but I would rather die
a quick death in a slow one. Don't don't don't
let me, don't let on third downs all of a sudden,
this quarterback McCarthy getting a little rhythm and all of
a sudden get a little confidence. He's playing well.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
With the offense you got, you actually can't sustain that
because if they get a quick one, your offense can
also go down and get a quick one.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Too, because honestly, you know you don't have top tier corners.
Let's just be clear, but you've played top tier receivers
all year. You've played the best receivers in the league
all year. It just depends on what your coordinator doing.
I think you'll do fine versus group and justin Jefferson's fantastic,
having a bad year because of the passer saying with Addison.
Addison seems to be more of the deep ball guys, right,
and then Jefferson or whatever, and they just be missing,
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but they be throwing them. But this is all about
Fluce and how he's approaching it. If this was some
elite Cowboys defense, I wouldn't say a good thing at
all about the Vikings offense. It just happens in context
of Cowboys defense. They can give you a long day
if you love.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Real quick too, Derek, the way they run the ball,
I know you'll probably ask about that is because they
play with a full back. This is a team that
kind of plays with They'll play in I formation, okam, yeah,
old school football I formation. A lot of play action
in the game here. But you know, when you start
to talk about these backs, Aaron Jones and then also
Jordan Mason, the way that they run the ball, it's
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like it's inside. It's inside, and then it's a stretch
to the ad, stretch the edge and they try and
get around the corner. Not a lot of wiggle.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
This is one of those teams too. You got to
worry about the screen game. One of the top three
in the league when it comes to screen. We talk
about it every week. What did Detroit try and do
early in that game? Throw the screen, throw the swings.
You saw how those kind of affect the Cowboys. The
Cowboys don't particularly handle passes in the flat very well.
I guarantee you Minnesota is going to try and get
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either a wide receiver screen or one of these screens
a swing to their backs and and see if they
can do some good. Because teams all year long have
really taken you to task of having to play in
the flat.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Do you expect this to be a week because of
their their run game. Do you expect this to be
a week where they tend to do a little bit
more of the five man front stuff.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Man, I would hope. I would hope. I don't really
and it would be it would be good. I think
to listen, the run fits against the Lions were really poor,
really poor. I know, watch and I broke that down,
you know, on our channel, and it was you know,
we you know, watch it a great job of pointing
it out, Like you got guys like why is Oosa
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flying into the A gap and there's nobody in the
B and where's the C? And against Kansas City you
kind of saw the fits. I think with this group,
it's not the quality of the backs that you faced
the last several weeks. It's kind of that try and
wear you down offense. So yeah, you know, but if
you play bad run fits like you did against Detroit,
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you're gonna have some problems. I mean, it's just it's
just that's what Dallas is. It doesn't matter who's carrying
the ball. If you're bat on your run fits, then
then they're going to be issues.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
U asked, was this a good week to run out
the five man fronts more. Last week was a good time.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
To run the five man.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I was kind of you only did that, and you
only did it eleven times? First, so much worse offensive
line like that? That Lion's offensive line was so compromising.
You saw early in the game. Well, when me and
Brian did our film session, I'm messing petty, So I
put the down and distance up there, you know what
I'm saying. So while good things are happening, I'm circling like, hey, y'all,
this is all in the first drives of the game.
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Bad things happening. This is all second quartering on. I
don't know what I would love to ask them. I
need to go to one of the coordinated joints and
just and just get get kicked out of there. But
I would just love to ask them, what what what
made you be successful in those first few drives, and like,
what made you go away from that? What made you
go away from If Flues want me to shut up
(35:22):
next week, do what you did in the first drive
last week, first couple of drives, first couple of quarter,
do it all.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Do it.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Do it the rest of the year, and I'll shut
up and apologize. The Flues but he won't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Will you shut up and apologize the flu?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I will shut up and apologize the flues. But flues
won't show me consistency every time I come up here.
Every time he gonna take every time I come up here.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
And look, I told you I asked about that playing
Spike coverage and that was the last still I think
that was week three.
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Speaker 6 (38:52):
All right, we got final segment. We only got about
five minutes left. But I did have a couple of
names I want to throw at you guys, and I
want you tell me your thoughts as I throw.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
These names out. Let's start with Kenny Clark. What are
your thoughts on him?
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Right now? Man?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Kenny doing all right?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You know, I think I think teams are going to
continue to adjusting. You got to keep adjusting. I think
one thing Green Bay did really well with Clark when
he was there. Man, you will see Kenny play a gap,
then you'll see him play some four eyed, and you'll
see see him play some some wide, you know what
I mean. And Kenny's athletic enough to do it. He's
strong enough to play anywhere. I think sometimes, you know,
(39:24):
with with you know, with his role, he gets stuck
in one play sometimes and I don't want that for him.
Solomon Thomas is another guy like that. He's really good
all over the place, but he's kind of stuck in
at one spot. And I think it's easy for teams
to make adjustments when these guys are in the same
spot every time. If there's the next adjustment that I
would love from whoever's in charge of the next adjustment
is you have these guys on the on the D line,
(39:45):
move him around a little bit. Jerry on the radio
and kind of alluded to it. And when Jerry make
makes small whispers, it's really something that somebody talk to
him about. He said, Man, we're good enough. We got
enough guys. OLSA can probably get a little wider sometimes.
I would love to see what that looks like, especially
when you versus these teams that will probably beat you
on the run game physically. But Kenny Clark as an
edge guy where it would be Dante Fowler, Ben run
the other two guys at the one in the three
(40:06):
and play your your four man front, your down fronts
and just have a bigger edge do. I think that'd
be great. But as far as what Kenny's doing right now,
since Quentnin got here, Kenny's been just as good as
he was when he first got here.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
I would have loved to see that last week. That
would have been a good week, those big guys lined
up out there.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
I'm just but yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I kind of
feel like that with Kenny. You know, it's the season's
kind of taking its toll. On him a little bit,
you know, and and he early in the year of
those campaigns. I mean, you get would you get Quentin
Williams in the week eleven or something like that. It's
been a four week run or so that we've seen
with quinnin Williams and him, and he's done a great job.
I mean, nobody's gotten more pressures at the defensive tackles,
(40:44):
but I think he's like twenty twenty one percent pressure rate,
which is better than what like an Aaron Donald has
even done from the defensive tackle spot. So that shows
you in that small time period, I think that's helped.
I think that's helped Kenny. But there's there's been some
times where, you know, Kenny has got to be careful
about how how tall he plays in games. There's there's
times when he rushes the passer, you see him kind
(41:05):
of get locked up. He gets double teamed. That's a
hard thing to have to beat double teams, you know.
I mean the teams are having to kind of determine
do you double Quinn and Williams? Do you double? You know,
Kenny Clark, who do you double on this? He faced
so many double teams early and I think he's a
little bit worre down now. I don't think he has
that that power, that punch that he had, you know,
early in the season, and hopefully he can, you know
(41:26):
with now the way that these games, you know, with
these games coming so quick and so many days, these
guys get a little bit worre down, and I think
that was kind of happening to him. Maybe this a
little bit of a break, this ten day break and
getting back on a normal schedule and letting his body
kind of heal somewhat get it a little bit for
this final push. He'll be okay. Hopefully that's the case.
If not, though, like I say, he's been steady. He
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was much better earlier. But I think it's kind of
the wear and tarry getting to him.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Donovan does a Roku thoughts.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Man, he's so good as a run dude now, like
he has such a feel as a run due his
pass rush stuff isn't there like it was early in
the season. It could be because Quinn getting there quick.
I don't know, but just as a rundown guy, I'm
surprised at the level of read and react on him,
more like the instincts on him. He doesn't get caught
up on these blocks, and maybe I'm super surprised to
(42:16):
him because of what his peers are doing. You know,
you look at the you know some of the other
cowboy edgses. I ain't got say anybody in particularly, but
sometimes they get lasted on block. Sometimes they run a
field and look around. Sometimes they don't, you know, do
the small technique things. Donvinezroku's a guy coming out of
Boston College that I thought was a day one pass rusher,
year three, good run dude, shock the hell out of me,
year one, real good run dude, year one, and the
(42:39):
pass rush stuff is still going to be there when.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Of you his splits are completely opposite of what I thought,
and I think vach nailed it perfectly there. I expected
him to come in and the learning curve of the
pass or will be really, really small. You know, not
to say that he hasn't had moments, but I felt
like that he was going to be a guy that
was constantly harassing quarterbacks. So you do see some pressures,
you do, But where you've noticed him Moore is actually
(43:01):
playing as a run defender. So that's where and that
that not that he was a good run defender. Boston College,
but not to this level.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Now he's your best guy.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Not to the point, yeah, he is one of your
best when it comes to you were kind of thinking about,
you know, and you know, we were talking about Marshaw
Kneelan and Marshaw k Neelan being a guy when you
know that he was he was kind of the the
Tank Lawrence guy. So I think the way you look
at Donovanezarako, he looks more like the Tank Lawrence guy
now for you uh, you know, and not just because
(43:32):
of the tragedy, but he's kind of playing in that way.
He looks like he has pastorish ability plus the plus
plus run defense.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
All right, that's right, we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
We stretched that clack I had a lot more, but
actually we'll get to those another day. We will tomorrow
get into the Minnesota defense versus Cowboys offense. That'll be
a challenge for the Cowboys, but we'll see how it
goes till them for watching, some body Brian brought us.
I'm Derek Eiglton. This has been a break live on
Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
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