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If all you do is listen to the audio, you
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So that's what we do here on the Break.
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You know what I'm always thinking, Well, Derek, let me
get away with that. That's something I'm always thinking yeah,
bro let me how.
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Many times have you been late and we're sitting here
waiting on you?
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Some people are and I was on a work call
by the way. Some people that's fine. Some people aren't
allowed to be late.
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So let me be clear.
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Are you asking if it will be okay if you're late?
Are you asking if it will be okay if you
had a dance break in the middle of the intro?
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Both, I can't walk in dancing.
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Well, let me just say say this.
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I'm good for ratings, So whatever brings ratings. If you
if dancing, if you're getting up right now and getting
in the camera and dancing brings us ratings, I would be.
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Like, I'm not going to paint my face, put a
red nose on. Bring numbers, Bring numbers, and bring me
see what they do for views. You living at YouTube world,
you know I gotta do what you gotta do.
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This ain't no nose on it, right.
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That's facts, all right.
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I would do it if it got numbers.
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I wouldn't, Brian, absolutely would.
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I dressed like Ben Franklin one time for numbers? Yeah?
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You did you know what I'm.
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For you to come in here dressed up.
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As a lady was missus doubtfire.
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Yeah, That's why I hate the most notes, Like like like,
if I'm researching the topic, I say, man, I'm about
to break down the best film I've ever done. But
I saw something on film that's gonna make us look smart.
I may get a thousand views on that video, but
something goofy right, crazy.
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Go crazy, fall down in the Avis parking lot, people
being all live, and then you fall down, and then
yeah you get a million views.
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Yeah, falling down, That's how it goes. All right, here's
what I want to do today.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Today We're going to get into the Carolina defense versus
Dallas offense with that in the second segment. Before we
get there, though, I wanted to have a conversation about
these running backs. Interesting matchup this week when you talk
about ric O'dowdell and you talk about Javonte Williams. Last offseason,
Dallas opted to sign Javonte Williams as opposed to re
signing ric o'dwell. Rico'dowell goes to Carolina gets a one year,
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two point seventy five million dollar deal. Williams signed here
in Dallas for a one year, three million deals so
the money wasn't very different. Both of them got one
year deals. My first question for you guys is how
do you compare and contrast these two backs in what
their skill sets are relative to If you were trying
to last year make a comparison between these two and
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making a decision on who you wanted to have, give
me how you would kind of how you would make
that comparison.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
So you want me to talk about this with hindsight
that Williams is healthy now and he's who he is,
or because Williams being hurt was a big part of
his situation, like him being hurt and then coming back
from there. So that's why when we see him at Denver,
he's like rotating a bunch with some of these other
running backs.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I didn't think we're all there great.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I didn't have a high opinion of him, but I
knew who he was in college and that rookie year
of his right, so if we were a nice, fantastic
rookie year. But just kind of looking at it now,
you know Williams is you know, he was always more
of a.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Complete guy to me.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
He was a fantastic blocker, and you know, Rico caught
the football, but I thought that Williams was a better
catcher of it. It's just that Denver didn't always throw
it to him. They'll have another guy to come throw it.
But if you watch, you know Carolina take like they
were throwing him the football, he was and he was
just find doing it. Then he turns into this big, physical,
yet guy after he caught the football. Rico didn't always
get the mental side of blocking, and then once he
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got there. I don't want to call it an effort
this year or anything like that, but he don't work
here no more. There was plenty times where we felt
like Rico was the guy, but the coaching staff felt
like Rico just wasn't doing enough to be that dude. Also,
what I think probably played a play, a play a
big role.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Talk about somebody that's no longer here. You throw a
little job.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Believe you believe, let me tell you I working with.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
No no, no.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But also, like if I had to guess what the
coaches in front office thought about the Rico was here
for five years, he was only healthy one whole year,
so maybe they just wanted to move on from and
just try something different.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'd like to have seen him in this scheme.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It would have been fun for getting into my next question.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I would have liked to have seen him. Okay, well,
then I'll let you ask your next question. No, no, Well,
the thing about like I like I personally, I was
really really wrong about Williams, and I admit that I
think Williams is a better player. Don't get me wrong
about that either. But I would have been interested to
see Rico down because you watch him at Carolina. I mean,
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the Miami game was a that was I mean, they
blocked that thing up perfectly, but you watched the other
four games up. He wasn't a productive player. I mean,
and there's been times. But the thing I always appreciate
about Rico was how like he tried to make something
out of nothing. And he's got the same type the toughness.
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I think Williams is a little bit better in that regard.
But I will say this though, I would love to
have seen Rico play in this scheme where you where
these offensive linemen the way they come off the ball
and then with the tight ends the way they block
at the point of attack.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Do you think Williams's patience works better with this? With
this group of guys, even these young guys right like this,
this backup crew, this all his.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Vision's probably better. I think I think that you talk
about patients. I think Williams, I think he is a
very I think Rico is kind of a natural runner.
I think that with Williams, though there's some there's that
instinct to know that like I'm gonna press this and
I'm gonna cut it, and I know where to be.
He has an understanding where the fits are, how he
really understands how his line is gonna block and his
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tight end's gonna block, and he takes advantage of that.
I think it's I guess the word would be cerebral,
more of a cerebral back. And I say that in
respect of that, he kind of has plays called I
know where I need to start, but I'm probably not
going to finish there. I need to have another plan.
Where I think Rico was a taken and go guy.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know it's on that big run last week, you
say Rico breakout and he'll get cardon miller of the
field and get tackling all the time and run out
and have but Javonte has award does to get out
of the well that man ran to.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
The sidelines and pulled the ball away, worrying that someone
was going to try and grab it from him. Because
it has it happened in the Chicago game.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I will say this.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
We do a video piece here called what had Happened,
and we typically will take an iPad to a player
and we say, okay, tell us what happened on this play,
and then the player will diagram the play.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And we did it this week with with Cavante.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I mean, I'm sorry with Javonte, and he laid out
that long run. And the interesting part about that is
he was saying, as soon as the play began he
could tell by where the offensive linemen were going and
where the defenders were.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He was like, I knew it was a big play
right here.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
The day bands pulled it outside the linebacker.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
And he said, as soon as I saw that, and
as soon as I saw the linebacker commit, I knew
big play.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Here we go. He said.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Now, I didn't realized I was gonna get caught. And
y'all gotta give me a little bit of grace on
that one, because I didn't run this long since high school.
But I knew it was a big play at that moment,
and it goes to your point, Brian, like he really
sees the game in a way.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think that's really you were right. I make a
lot of those, but no, I think that that's.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
A great point that he he he does have a vision.
He has great vision and sees the plays happening even
before they do.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And I think that's a part of why.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I think patience is the part that when you can
see it, then you know, Okay, give me a tick
here and then I go right, so you know where
you need to be at the right time.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Rico ran into a lot of defenders sometimes too, was
he ran the darkness like trying to be physical. He'll
just run into guys on ounce off, which is different
than like Javonte trying to avoid. But once we're here,
now he's physical and run guys over. I would see
Rico just run right into a three tick that's getting
blocked by somebody and it'll be a negative play.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
So now go to that point. Do you think that
if if they would have made the decision they were
going to keep Rico, do you think right now we'd
be looking at Rico saying, man, Rico's playing like one
of the best running backs in.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
The league because this game is just so good.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
But I don't like to live in the past. I
like to live in the present and look at the future. Okay, no,
because if we're playing that game, it's like, oh, I
would have liked to see Tony Romo playing behind that
line and Ezekiel Elliott no hate to die. That season
was magical, But there's a lot of there are a
lot of ifs. We're good now, So why analyze it?
Why why start?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean because boys will be firing this scheme?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Oh what, that's a football talk right now?
Speaker 8 (09:39):
We missed on that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Put that offensive line in this game?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Want some super bowls? Them in de Marco.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Wow, you choosing to be sad? You can't do nothing
about it the time, That time is far gone gone.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But he did, he did catch us standing round.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
He got it. But if they had called it a catch.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They were to beat Seattle. Yeah, the year a plice.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
But you got do you guys think that it would
be the same thing? Do you think it would be
the same They would be getting the same production out
of the running game if they have I think I.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Think they Okay, I thought some guys. Rico would still
be good here, you know. And let's just be clear,
Rico was the better back last year. It was him
and it was Zeke. And for some reason, I don't
know why, but past administrations will kind of force Zeke
into a game and they'll force carries on him. And
it's still a mystery. This San Francisco game. Last year,
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they said, hey, y'all, Rico, ric O'donald's sick, y'all, and
we're gonna play Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott and shouts
out the Dallas Cowboys dot com. We got the best
media team. Great, everybody got caraons and phones. Boy Rico
dallad on the sideline dancing, he kicking, and he breathing well,
standing up tall. He ain't got a gas you know,
he ain't got oxygen on. He looks healthy, good, fine,
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And in two days he right back practicing, just recovering
from that damn sickness.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I'm curious, past administration.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm glad you're looking at him and not me.
Speaker 9 (11:10):
I'm curious as hell as to what happened to your
better Nuray theory and and Rico Dawdle was one thousand
yard rushers. Still despite all that I think Rico would
be great here.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
This Okay, yeah, I know, I see you say. Here's
here's my next next trick. Here, get Blue going like this?
Get Blue going, Well.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
That's what I was gonna say. I'm interested to see.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I'm not interested in the past.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
About the past. We're talking about Blue. Is he in
the past?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just kidding you.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Go ahead what I was gonna say, And sorry to
interrupt you, No you did. But but what I'm trying
to say is, like I mean, I would love to
see more of different backs because I would tell you,
is the old creating those shops for the running back
where you can play pretty much anybody and they're still
being successful at the run game? Or is it truly
the combination?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're right, If all of a sudden you don't see
that Blue, and if he gets opportunities and he doesn't
have similar success, then then then to answer Derek's question,
you know, Williams is clearly better than they did. They
made the right call that they got the right back.
But man, I'd love to see Blue. I'd love to
see Blue get going like this and see because I
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think that there's a chance that he might even be
better than what you have with Williams, you know, at
least explosive one.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Yeah, I'm interested to see. And Brian, you'll you'll remember this.
I'm not sure. Yeah he was, but I want to
talk about I'm specifically mentioning the Denver Broncos back in
the the nineties. I want to say it was when
when Shanahan was a head coach and they could literally
every year plug in whatever running back. That scheme was
just so hard to defend. They had, you know, it
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was guys as good as charl Davis. They had guy
like Orlando's Gary that would just running the heck out
of the ball right, and it was just like it
didn't matter what run back.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Ruben Drones one year was their back.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Like they could plug anybody in, and they could plug
anybody in and they would have success in the running game.
And it was because the scheme was so good. And
I do wonder obviously it's very early, but I will
say this, Arizona's running game looked really good when he
was in Arizona, and now that has come to Dallas,
it is starting to make me think the scheme is
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just a scheme that maybe it is agnostic to whoever
the running back is. You're going to have better success
with a better back, but you don't have to have
a great back in order to get success.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think this scheme it doesn't make your linemen have
to hammer somebody up front. I think they use angles.
I think they take advantage of the athletic ability. They're
not asking anybody just now when they have to get
somebody moved, what do they do? And Booker is capable
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of moving a guy by himself, what they do They
take Steele and put Steele and Booker together and now
they're moved in somebody. They never ask anybody to really
have to have one on one blocks. It's a lot
of angles, it's a double team, it's pullers, it's it's
a really good offense. That doesn't make if your offensive
line is not that hammer you off the ball group
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still is not a hammer you off the ball guy.
Neither is geton hammer you off the ball guy. Booker
is Booker and Smith can hammer you off the ball,
but and span Fod can hammer you off the ball.
So it's really a good combination of they've learned who
can get movement with double teams and then also pull
to clean up or kick or do whatever have to
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do create space.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Also, to just be clear, Williams was the second round pick.
He was, you're like thirty five or something, thirty seventh overall,
I believe like that. So like that's still like a
back that's worth you know, looking at you know, this
ain't like you know, I always say, man, you know,
we can talk about these seventh round guys that come
in and play and they do well, but every one.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Of them is like ten mic Harve or something.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You taught me something. Oh a cross Ky Merrit America play. Yeah,
you watch cross Ky Merrit play and then we'll see
the commanders here next week's. So that's a back that
that's a back that was taken very very late. It
probably should have been taken to the third round. I mean,
there's these backs. It was a it was a litanyam.
There was a ton of them, blue And I give you,
I give you credit. You said, no, go get this cat.
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You try to get that guy. But that's sometimes you do.
They sometimes these teams do miss on backs. They sometimes
they miss on these backs.
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Brian gonna talk to you all about the Carolina Panthers defense.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Go ahead, man, talk about him? What about what you like?
What do you like about this or what do you
not like about this Carolina Panther defense.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
They're an interesting combination of dues, Brian.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Uh, you know, they're interesting a your way to put it,
They're an interesting combination of dues. They got I think
is a strange lady, they are. I think they got
corners that are pretty solid. Yes, you know, when I
was watching my whole life, they've always been.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Like man guys about that.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
But they but they run a bunch of on If
you think about JC and Mike when they were in college,
they were mostly you know, man up on guys. But
they run a whole bunch of zone over there. And
you know, they kind of deal with a lot of
these passing concepts, like assuming that they can block things
up front or that things can't get blocked up upfront,
and they get some good pressure going. They don't always
get pressure going though, broad so, uh you they don't
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get a good opportunity to utilize their coverage abilities, Brian,
if you look up deep attempts on them, because that's
one thing I always do is see where the chunk
yards coming from, the big plays coming frost, and I
see a lot of attempts on them. They don't really
they don't really complete them here. So I'm like, man,
where's all the for the lack of better words, where's
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all the ass whoop coming from? When they put points
on Carolina and it's all coming from it's always in
the intermediate Ambargarcia, Thank you very much. It's a it's
always she's paying attention. It's always in that middle. Is
always short game. But more importantly, if you could deal
because they're an interesting group of guys. You know, they
got two D D tackles that can deal with the
run really well. But if you can block those dudes,
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nobody else wants to tackle anybody. So if you're looking
for a way to get them, it may not be
chunk yardage in the air early. Maybe later you can
figure something out. Maybe you can hit some over the middle,
middle and then get yak yardis. But if you really
want to beat the hell out of the Panthers here,
you just run the football constantly.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, they used to have a Frankie Luvu who's now
playing with the Commanders. You know, Frankie was a guy
that could really attack the line of scrimmage, can run
through gaps, sideline, the sideline. We always talk about those
guys that make a lot of players, and we've seen
them at the Commanders make those plays. I's just right
again about these cornerbacks though, and so we're both in
where but what's different about these corners? Last week you
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saw a traveler. You saw a traveler with sauce garter.
This time around, though, you will see a guy that
plays to the short side of the field and Jerry Madaline,
I'm doing this for you right now, but these are
boundary He plays as a boundary corner. And we're talking
about j C. Horn. He's one of the better corners
in the league. But when he plays is the boundary corner.
The boundary corner is usually to the side of the
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HASH that's near the sideline. So if the ball is
on the right hash, the boundary would be to the
defense's left, So he plays that side of the field,
and then on the other side, you're going to get
what we call the field corner, and so more grass
to cover over there. So in pro football that the
hashes are kind of close there. It's not as bad
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as what you see in college football with him being
a part and then so you're more having to cover
more ground. But in the pros a little bit sure,
But the boundary corner, usually those guys will play to
that side and they'll use the sideline to help them. Well,
I'll just right again about this. This team plays a
lot of his own coverage. Well, I'm just saying that's
what he says. I'm acknowledging him on this because they
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do play a lot of his own coverage. They play
just as much zone coverage as the Cowboys do, and
they're going to play They're gonna play it. It's seven
yards depth is what they're gonna do. So you're gonna
you're gonna sit there and you're gonna have guys that
playing with seven yards off, so you're gonna have space
in front, and then also in the slot. They play
at about five yards, so you're gonna get zone coverage
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with some depths. So here are your slants, Here your
inbreaking routes. You know, here are the things that you
want to do. Now if you want to if you
even want to do this, and if you want to
run the ball, say you want to run the ball
on the outside. We talked about the Cowboys running game
a little bit earlier in what Williams could do. But
if you want to get it on the outside, you
got a corner over there, a horn that's really not
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interested in tackling. He will try, but he's really not.
So you can understand that if you can set your
formation to where he's going to play into the boundary
and then you put bigger bodies over that side and
just mash that edge and then make him have to
to have to come up and defend. That's a little
bit of a problem for him. So Dallas will hopefully
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be able to take some advantage of that.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Not to get too much to the like the football
side of that the analysis, but I do want to know, like,
why why do teams make the decision on a boundary
corner versus a field corner and who goes on which side?
Because my initial thought as you were saying that was
I thought J. C. Horn was one of the best
corners in the league. You would think if you got
a side it's got more grass to cover, you put
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your best guy on that side. To hear that he's
a boundary corner. What would be the thought process and
put making him the boundary corner.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Some guys deal with certain routes better.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So if you're on the boundary side, which is less field,
it's a lot more narrow over there. So you're talking
about corner rats, you're talking about deep balls.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So it's about the routes that he can cover well.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
As opposed to a guy like like Mike Mike Jackson,
who can move quicker, maybe faster slants. You got a
lot more room on crossing routes, breaking in routes, and
maybe you don't want j. C. Horn having to cross
the field on somebody right now, if it's I'm dealing
with a bigger receiver or something like that. Jac's really
good at that working backwards versus bigger guys. If he
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has to play square and work in both directions, that
may not be his game. Same thing with like nickel guys.
If you're in the nickel you're more in the middle
of the formation, So now you have to be a
guy that has better hips to work outside, inside, deeper,
all those things. So yeah, he's a he's a guy
that is a good corner, but to you know your
point there, maybe you wouldn't call him one of the
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absolute best corners because he's not a guy that plays
there's limitations.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, he was taking one spot after Patrick shirt Tanner
right who was And.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
It was suspected that Dallas, like both of those players
that was in the in the Michael Parsons dract coach.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The coaches really liked Horn. Mike McCarthy coached his dad
in New Orleans, and so they had to understanding. The
scouts will tell you, Sir Tan was more ready to
play what it was, kind of buttoned up, wouldn't take chances.
Horn is A was a chance taker and that's wait.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
That was his dad receiver from Wall. So so both
of those players, their dad's played the NF and they.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Were taking right after the other.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Yeah, I love to do favors for people that he knows.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You ain't got no love for Mike, do you?
Speaker 8 (26:07):
I love?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I love Mia McCarthy. May we want a bunch of
games man. He had glaring, glaring issues to your point, though,
Brian bros. With this whole with this whole run game stuff,
I just encourage everybody to play a good old game
of what if with this Dolphins game, because I just
think they came out there with a weird, you know,
with a weird approach to it. They didn't get to
the linebackers very well. The lineman didn't they didn't climb
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to the next level very much. And when you see
that Carolina, they didn't give up a bunch of big
runs because of that. Right, But all these other games, right, yeah,
the majority of the games, right, these linebackers don't really
want to get backed at all.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
This was this was a really strange game when you
watch the tape and you can kind of put while
and rose bum Yeah, you put them all together and
the Dolphins that had no explosive runs. It was really
and then it's funny this defense. You go back and
look and they played I was thinking why against the
Colonels And it might have to do with play against
Kyler Murray. They played a bunch of just bass and
(27:03):
I mean just the normal personnel. Maybe it's having to
deal with Kyler Murray and all that. So we'll see,
you know, they Dallas has got to the Panthers got
to figure out something here. Is that they've got guys
in the secondary and Warrig I think is a good
player that they got from the Raiders and he plays
down a lot in the box. But what they have
(27:24):
to figure out is how do they want to in
this game? How do they want to treat because you
don't have a traveler, so you're gonna get You're gonna
get pickings, You're gonna get him to kind of he
saw him move last week. He was he was switching
to the left and the right and some of the stuff.
But how are they going to play against Jake Ferguson. Now,
the great thing is that you had some guys show
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up last week. So if all of a sudden, Tolbert
didn't show up and Flinoy didn't show up, then all
of a sudden, now it's like, we don't have to
worry about that. We're we're you know, now you have
to now you have to at least account for those guys.
So Carolina is going to have to account for your
tight end, and they're gonna have to account for Flinoy,
and they're gonna likely they're gonna for sure have to
account for Pickens. How much is that going to allow?
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They play a lot of single high safety in the
middle of the field, everybody take a third and try
and help in the running game with with the with
the safety. So how are they going to How they're
going to treat Jake Ferguson I think will be really
really key for them in this game.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, But you know, Brian, something that was interesting
real fair. You remember we're watching college film on Lathan Ransom. Yes,
from Ohio State. You know, we always thought he was
a guy that was very physical he had like a
thumpy tackle he guy, but he wasn't a guy that
I would want playing deep or you know, playing a
whole bunch of coverage and stuff. Watching watching their film,
he does play deep a bunch and our guy Morig,
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who I would assume would play more deep.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
But Morgan is the.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Ex They like him like he's done. He's a if
you if you look at him from where he was
with the Raiders, sure that's kind of where he made
his living was everything was if you play a lot
of that cover three, that single high safety. He was
a guy that was always going to be down and
like he was a very very sure tackler down there.
People like that about him when he signed.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Just based on college knowledge. That might be a segment,
just based on college knowledge. I might try to throw
a deep on Ransom just to see if ye, just
to see yes, to see all right.
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Especially like you're not going all in like that. You're like, there,
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All right, here we go, Shining Star, Falling Star. I'm
gonna throw out a name.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
I want you guys to tell me whether they are
a shining Star, are they falling star? And give me
a little bit of context on what you've seen from
them in the time that they've been on the field
this season.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Let's start first, with this season five games, Yeah, it
could be for this.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
For Nate Thomas, it will be a lot less because
he hasn't played every game. But for what you've seen
this season, the shining star, falling star Nate Thomas, You.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Shining Nate Thomas is very much so shining.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I want everybody to kind of pump some brakes on
some of these uh you know, takings from some of
these people. But I do think for the Cowboys and
what they're asking for these you know, backups and shouts
out to Dack for being the leader. Dad don't even
like to say backups. He just said guys that are
waiting on their opportunity. That's a fantastic way to say,
is uh, you know, Nate has stepped up and he's
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done with what he's asking showing a bit more. He
has to work on some of those lunges and kind
of keeping his feet, but Nate has done fine. Nobody
nobody's gotten gotten killed. So for rising to the occasion,
offensive lineman is the fantass start.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, I would say, I would say that's exactly what
he is, and give the guy some credit for really
missing all of last year kind of getting red shirted.
And you know a lot of probably lonely days in
the weight room, hanging out and working by himself, nobody
really knowing, oh yeah, this is one of our teammates,
but not really being a part of it. You know,
they're coming back, and then all of a sudden, OTA's
you see, he's playing. He's the second right tackle, and
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you're like, man, they got a plan for him. So
once again, offensive line coaches kind of seeing body type,
maybe getting a maybe getting a little bit of a
head start there. But you know, when he had to
go in and play, we saw in the preseason he
did a fine job, and then all of a sudden,
you know, there was some there was some talk about him,
you know, having to maybe start in Week one against Philadelphia.
He kind of felt pretty decent about that. So for
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him to kind of wait for his chance to get
an opportunity to take advantage of it. The technique stuff
will improve, experience will help that. But overall, though, I
think that's a rising star for you right there.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Same I agree with you guys, And I'm also biased though,
because I love his personality. He's just such a goofy,
funny guy that it's hard not to like him, So
I like him on the field and off the field.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Jalen Tobert shining star, falling star, It's.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Falling, you know, Jalen Tobert made a fantastic player.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
You're not loyal. You are not a loyal guy.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I am loyal to honesty.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Jalen Tobin made a fantastic clutch play, looking like a
baseball player out there catching that pass over there at
Green Bay. But I think for the most part, I
think I think the quarterback and the head coach has
a lot of confidence in him, So I think when
we go into games, that's why we see things like
well a, pardon me. They have a lot of confidence
in him, but it doesn't always show on Sundays. They always,
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you know, talk about him as he works, all he's
gonna show up and he's good with the young guys
and not die and all this. But I don't think
that's enough when it comes to are we gonna put
the best guy out there? I think nineteen has kind
of passed him up pretty well there, and that kind
of show last week when Tolburn only had one target
and you know nineteen had nine.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, I think that they're in a situation right now
where I think if if you had to talk about it,
I always talk about sponsors and who's sponsoring, and sometimes
you have to have somebody on that coaching staff or
somebody in the front office. I do think he has
a very important sponsor. I think it's Dak Prescott. I
think Dak Prescott says, listen, I want Jalen Tolbert out there.
(36:50):
I trust Jailing Tobert. I'm gonna throw him the ball
when I can. I know he's gonna go make a
play for him. And I think there's I think the
coaching staff sees that. I think the front office knows that.
But you're right about some of these other receivers we've seen.
We've seen Turpin rise to the occasion. We've seen now
Flinoy rise to the occasion. You know, how how close
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is his spot from being on the active We'll see
what happens with Mingo. I kind of felt like that
when Mingo was off, it really wasn't about the others,
you know, it was about really where was Turpin here?
But I just do believe that as long as Dak
Prescott is in UH in this position, he is going
to always campaign for this guy. Because I think he
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believes in him, and at times he has delivered, But
I think the others are, like Fox said, are rising
above him.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Yeah, I would say for him, it's hard to For me,
it's hard to discredit what he has done because he's
made Like we talk about that catch, that was an
amazing catch. But at the same time, at this point
in his career, he should be further along. So to me,
I don't want to say he's falling or rise and
he's just kind of flat like there. So yeah, neutral,
(38:02):
I guess for me.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Yeah, you know, one thing I'll say about Jail I
think I'm speaking for myself. I think I have tried
to put him in a cast of maybe a different
player than he is. He is not a volume receiver.
He has not been. He's a guy that you put
him out there and he can reliably do the things
you're kind of asking him to do, and he'll make
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a catch or two for you, and some of them
are going to be huge catches.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Last year he had eight touchdowns. It led the team.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
He can make catches for you, He's just not a
volume receiver. And so I think when I started thinking
about it like that, I'm like, Okay, So it's not
that he's a bad receiver. He's just not a guy
who's gonna go out and get you six to eight
catches in a game.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's just not what he does.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
And I listened to the coach yesterday talk about how
he calls games, and he calls games he says he
calls plays for players, not necessarily for specific like get
the ball in this area. It's more about I'm calling
a play to get it in a specific player's hands.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And that tells me all I need to know.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
If last week he gets one target and you see
somebody like Illinois who gets a ton of targets, it
means that they have a little more faith in him
being more of a volume receiver than maybe what they're
looking for is looking for opportunities to get the ball
into Jalen Tolbertan's But I think, like again, I agree
with you, Ambro. I think he's kind of just there.
I don't think he's rising, I don't think he's falling.
He just is what he is. He's plateau. By the
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way this is and by the way, that's not a
bad receiver. To have a guy that you can get
a player or two out of and he could just
kind of be one of your guys. You just don't
need to miscast him into being your second receiver or
maybe even your third receiver.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We're coming out of coming out of school there, third
round pick. Yeah, I mean he was. You watched him
in college. He was a volume casher. Yeah, and he was,
and he would make incredible plays, and the hope was
that he could be that guy. And you're you know,
I'll give him credit. Last week there were a couple
of routes that he ran that drew coverage to get
other guys open. You know, if you want to really
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break down and nitpick the guy, maybe he's not getting
the ball, but damn he's running a route that draws
of safety down on him, on a crossing route that
gets annoyed behind him, on a two level read that
gets that makes a forty yard play. Yeah, I mean
those are the kinds of things. See. But him coming
out of college and you watched him, he amber's right.
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He should be at that level where he is getting
six to seven perceptions.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
But for whatever reason, they don't feel like he's worth
that number of targets, right, they're not. They're not calling
his number enough they're not gonna I shouldn't say enough because
the offense is moving, they're not calling his his number
enough times for him to get more of those opportunities,
and so he just hasn't been a volume receiver for
the Cowboys, all right, Luke Schoolmaker, rising star, falling star.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
You know, they're using Luke Moore and they're trying to
get some blocking stuff going with him. You know, Ambar
is about to say, I hate Luke. I feel like
Revn's a little better. They're not using Brevin for whatever,
or they're using Luke more than Brevin are throwing the balls.
And you know, if you want to compare Luke to
what he was last year, he's kind of like a
similar dude he was last year. I haven't seen really
(41:06):
a step up for him. Uh, he's just kind of
doing the same old thing. I'm not saying that, you know,
you know, he's just collapsing.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
As a as a player, he's fine. But I would say,
just like with the jailing Tober thing, like we drafted
you to be a third round receiving man, schoolmakers the
second round picks. We would like to see you step
up and do what second round picks do uh and
he just hadn't done that, So Plateau not an option.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
So I just say follow him.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, in a in a in a group where there
were a bunch of great tight ends. You know, the
porter was there. Yeah, it's just all of a sudden,
you're sitting there and.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
You're like MacArthur like him.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, you're, you're, you're the situation right there. Yeah, he
absolutely wasn't. There was talk about him maybe and being
a first round pick with Dallas. I mean, but the
think about it was to me, with Luke Schoolmaker, the
expectations for him coming out of Michigan were much much higher.
He was taken in the second round. It was a
very very very deep, deep draft. When it came to
the tight ends, Dallas just selected the one that's probably
(41:59):
not the most product.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It's a Michigan guy. That what you said, Michigan guy.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Just there were a lot of tight ends.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
No, I'm saying you say he's a Michigan guy.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
He's a Michigan Absolutely, he's a Michigan guy.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I love Jeorde Lewis.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
You don't want to, you don't want to Louis. I
love Jordan Louis.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
For me out lost a lot of people here.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Juorde Lewis was a good player.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
Man.
Speaker 7 (42:20):
He's still bawling up there in Jacksonville. Absolutely, he's a
good player.
Speaker 8 (42:23):
Go ahead, No, I was gonna say, for me would
be falling. And he's a guy that right off the
bat when he came in, I had some unjustified issue
because he always bothered me because he always looked very stiff,
which is weird. So I don't know, it was a
thing in my head. I'm like, Oh, he's so stiff.
He's so stiff. But then you see the amount of
(42:45):
work that he puts in, and you know, you know,
all these guys work hard, but there are some that
you just notice it when they're going kind of the
extra mile. So I do have a different like for
him for that sense is that I know he puts
in the work. I see him putting in the work.
So part of me, that sentimental aspect of it. I
(43:08):
keep holding hope that at some point we're gonna get
to see a little bit more of him. But at
the same time, I don't know if that's kind of
his ceiling, Like this is where it's at right now,
and this is what to expect right it's the problem.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Though some guys are like super talented, so maybe after
the practice they don't have to hear the drugs is hard.
Schoolmaker has to work hard to be here at all.
Like he's not a guy that's gonna lean on talent
at all, Like he's he has to work hard just
to be competitive with the rest of these guys. So
I'm glad he's working hard. But I think this is
as high as we're gonna get with. That's that's what
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I think.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
That's a good all right, that's a wrap. We'll be
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Yeah, falling down, That's how it goes. All right, here's
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Today We're going to get into the Carolina defense versus
Dallas offense with that in the second segment. Before we
get there, though, I wanted to have a conversation about
these running backs. Interesting matchup this week when you talk
about ric O'dowdell and you talk about Javonte Williams. Last offseason,
Dallas opted to sign Javonte Williams as opposed to re
signing ric o'dwell. Rico'dowell goes to Carolina gets a one year,
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two point seventy five million dollar deal. Williams signed here
in Dallas for a one year, three million deals so
the money wasn't very different. Both of them got one
year deals. My first question for you guys is how
do you compare and contrast these two backs in what
their skill sets are relative to If you were trying
to last year make a comparison between these two and
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making a decision on who you wanted to have, give
me how you would kind of how you would make
that comparison.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
So you want me to talk about this with hindsight
that Williams is healthy now and he's who he is,
or because Williams being hurt was a big part of
his situation, like him being hurt and then coming back
from there. So that's why when we see him at Denver,
he's like rotating a bunch with some of these other
running backs.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I didn't think we're all there great.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I didn't have a high opinion of him, but I
knew who he was in college and that rookie year
of his right, so if we were a nice, fantastic
rookie year. But just kind of looking at it now,
you know Williams is you know, he was always more
of a.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Complete guy to me.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
He was a fantastic blocker, and you know, Rico caught
the football, but I thought that Williams was a better
catcher of it. It's just that Denver didn't always throw
it to him. They'll have another guy to come throw it.
But if you watch, you know Carolina take like they
were throwing him the football, he was and he was
just find doing it. Then he turns into this big, physical,
yet guy after he caught the football. Rico didn't always
get the mental side of blocking, and then once he
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got there. I don't want to call it an effort
this year or anything like that, but he don't work
here no more. There was plenty times where we felt
like Rico was the guy, but the coaching staff felt
like Rico just wasn't doing enough to be that dude. Also,
what I think probably played a play, a play a
big role.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Talk about somebody that's no longer here. You throw a
little job.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Believe you believe, let me tell you I working with.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
No no, no.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But also, like if I had to guess what the
coaches in front office thought about the Rico was here
for five years, he was only healthy one whole year,
so maybe they just wanted to move on from and
just try something different.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'd like to have seen him in this scheme.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It would have been fun for getting into my next question.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I would have liked to have seen him. Okay, well,
then I'll let you ask your next question. No, no, Well,
the thing about like I like I personally, I was
really really wrong about Williams, and I admit that I
think Williams is a better player. Don't get me wrong
about that either. But I would have been interested to
see Rico down because you watch him at Carolina. I mean,
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the Miami game was a that was I mean, they
blocked that thing up perfectly, but you watched the other
four games up. He wasn't a productive player. I mean,
and there's been times. But the thing I always appreciate
about Rico was how like he tried to make something
out of nothing. And he's got the same type the toughness.
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I think Williams is a little bit better in that regard.
But I will say this though, I would love to
have seen Rico play in this scheme where you where
these offensive linemen the way they come off the ball
and then with the tight ends the way they block
at the point of attack.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Do you think Williams's patience works better with this? With
this group of guys, even these young guys right like this,
this backup crew, this all his.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Vision's probably better. I think I think that you talk
about patients. I think Williams, I think he is a
very I think Rico is kind of a natural runner.
I think that with Williams, though there's some there's that
instinct to know that like I'm gonna press this and
I'm gonna cut it, and I know where to be.
He has an understanding where the fits are, how he
really understands how his line is gonna block and his
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tight end's gonna block, and he takes advantage of that.
I think it's I guess the word would be cerebral,
more of a cerebral back. And I say that in
respect of that, he kind of has plays called I
know where I need to start, but I'm probably not
going to finish there. I need to have another plan.
Where I think Rico was a taken and go guy.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know it's on that big run last week, you
say Rico breakout and he'll get cardon miller of the
field and get tackling all the time and run out
and have but Javonte has award does to get out
of the well that man ran to.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
The sidelines and pulled the ball away, worrying that someone
was going to try and grab it from him. Because
it has it happened in the Chicago game.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I will say this.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
We do a video piece here called what had Happened,
and we typically will take an iPad to a player
and we say, okay, tell us what happened on this play,
and then the player will diagram the play.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
And we did it this week with with Cavante.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I mean, I'm sorry with Javonte, and he laid out
that long run. And the interesting part about that is
he was saying, as soon as the play began he
could tell by where the offensive linemen were going and
where the defenders were.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He was like, I knew it was a big play
right here.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
The day bands pulled it outside the linebacker.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
And he said, as soon as I saw that, and
as soon as I saw the linebacker commit, I knew
big play.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Here we go. He said.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Now, I didn't realized I was gonna get caught. And
y'all gotta give me a little bit of grace on
that one, because I didn't run this long since high school.
But I knew it was a big play at that moment,
and it goes to your point, Brian, like he really
sees the game in a way.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think that's really you were right. I make a
lot of those, but no, I think that that's.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
A great point that he he he does have a vision.
He has great vision and sees the plays happening even
before they do.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And I think that's a part of why.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I think patience is the part that when you can
see it, then you know, Okay, give me a tick
here and then I go right, so you know where
you need to be at the right time.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Rico ran into a lot of defenders sometimes too, was
he ran the darkness like trying to be physical. He'll
just run into guys on ounce off, which is different
than like Javonte trying to avoid. But once we're here,
now he's physical and run guys over. I would see
Rico just run right into a three tick that's getting
blocked by somebody and it'll be a negative play.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
So now go to that point. Do you think that
if if they would have made the decision they were
going to keep Rico, do you think right now we'd
be looking at Rico saying, man, Rico's playing like one
of the best running backs in.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
The league because this game is just so good.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
But I don't like to live in the past. I
like to live in the present and look at the future. Okay, no,
because if we're playing that game, it's like, oh, I
would have liked to see Tony Romo playing behind that
line and Ezekiel Elliott no hate to die. That season
was magical, But there's a lot of there are a
lot of ifs. We're good now, So why analyze it?
Why why start?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean because boys will be firing this scheme?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Oh what, that's a football talk right now?
Speaker 8 (09:39):
We missed on that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Put that offensive line in this game?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Want some super bowls? Them in de Marco.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Wow, you choosing to be sad? You can't do nothing
about it the time, That time is far gone gone.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But he did, he did catch us standing round.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
He got it. But if they had called it a catch.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
They were to beat Seattle. Yeah, the year a plice.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
But you got do you guys think that it would
be the same thing? Do you think it would be
the same They would be getting the same production out
of the running game if they have I think I.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Think they Okay, I thought some guys. Rico would still
be good here, you know. And let's just be clear,
Rico was the better back last year. It was him
and it was Zeke. And for some reason, I don't
know why, but past administrations will kind of force Zeke
into a game and they'll force carries on him. And
it's still a mystery. This San Francisco game. Last year,
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they said, hey, y'all, Rico, ric O'donald's sick, y'all, and
we're gonna play Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott and shouts
out the Dallas Cowboys dot com. We got the best
media team. Great, everybody got caraons and phones. Boy Rico
dallad on the sideline dancing, he kicking, and he breathing well,
standing up tall. He ain't got a gas you know,
he ain't got oxygen on. He looks healthy, good, fine,
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And in two days he right back practicing, just recovering
from that damn sickness.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I'm curious, past administration.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm glad you're looking at him and not me.
Speaker 9 (11:10):
I'm curious as hell as to what happened to your
better Nuray theory and and Rico Dawdle was one thousand
yard rushers. Still despite all that I think Rico would
be great here.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
This Okay, yeah, I know, I see you say. Here's
here's my next next trick. Here, get Blue going like this?
Get Blue going, Well.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
That's what I was gonna say. I'm interested to see.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I'm not interested in the past.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
About the past. We're talking about Blue. Is he in
the past?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just kidding you.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Go ahead what I was gonna say, And sorry to
interrupt you, No you did. But but what I'm trying
to say is, like I mean, I would love to
see more of different backs because I would tell you,
is the old creating those shops for the running back
where you can play pretty much anybody and they're still
being successful at the run game? Or is it truly
the combination?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're right, If all of a sudden you don't see
that Blue, and if he gets opportunities and he doesn't
have similar success, then then then to answer Derek's question,
you know, Williams is clearly better than they did. They
made the right call that they got the right back.
But man, I'd love to see Blue. I'd love to
see Blue get going like this and see because I
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think that there's a chance that he might even be
better than what you have with Williams, you know, at
least explosive one.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Yeah, I'm interested to see. And Brian, you'll you'll remember this.
I'm not sure. Yeah he was, but I want to
talk about I'm specifically mentioning the Denver Broncos back in
the the nineties. I want to say it was when
when Shanahan was a head coach and they could literally
every year plug in whatever running back. That scheme was
just so hard to defend. They had, you know, it
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was guys as good as charl Davis. They had guy
like Orlando's Gary that would just running the heck out
of the ball right, and it was just like it
didn't matter what run back.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Ruben Drones one year was their back.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Like they could plug anybody in, and they could plug
anybody in and they would have success in the running game.
And it was because the scheme was so good. And
I do wonder obviously it's very early, but I will
say this, Arizona's running game looked really good when he
was in Arizona, and now that has come to Dallas,
it is starting to make me think the scheme is
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just a scheme that maybe it is agnostic to whoever
the running back is. You're going to have better success
with a better back, but you don't have to have
a great back in order to get success.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think this scheme it doesn't make your linemen have
to hammer somebody up front. I think they use angles.
I think they take advantage of the athletic ability. They're
not asking anybody just now when they have to get
somebody moved, what do they do? And Booker is capable
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of moving a guy by himself, what they do They
take Steele and put Steele and Booker together and now
they're moved in somebody. They never ask anybody to really
have to have one on one blocks. It's a lot
of angles, it's a double team, it's pullers, it's it's
a really good offense. That doesn't make if your offensive
line is not that hammer you off the ball group
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still is not a hammer you off the ball guy.
Neither is geton hammer you off the ball guy. Booker
is Booker and Smith can hammer you off the ball,
but and span Fod can hammer you off the ball.
So it's really a good combination of they've learned who
can get movement with double teams and then also pull
to clean up or kick or do whatever have to
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do create space.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Also, to just be clear, Williams was the second round pick.
He was, you're like thirty five or something, thirty seventh overall,
I believe like that. So like that's still like a
back that's worth you know, looking at you know, this
ain't like you know, I always say, man, you know,
we can talk about these seventh round guys that come
in and play and they do well, but every one.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Of them is like ten mic Harve or something.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You taught me something. Oh a cross Ky Merrit America play. Yeah,
you watch cross Ky Merrit play and then we'll see
the commanders here next week's. So that's a back that
that's a back that was taken very very late. It
probably should have been taken to the third round. I mean,
there's these backs. It was a it was a litanyam.
There was a ton of them, blue And I give you,
I give you credit. You said, no, go get this cat.
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You try to get that guy. But that's sometimes you do.
They sometimes these teams do miss on backs. They sometimes
they miss on these backs.
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Brian gonna talk to you all about the Carolina Panthers defense.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Go ahead, man, talk about him? What about what you like?
What do you like about this or what do you
not like about this Carolina Panther defense.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
They're an interesting combination of dues, Brian.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Uh, you know, they're interesting a your way to put it,
They're an interesting combination of dues. They got I think
is a strange lady, they are. I think they got
corners that are pretty solid. Yes, you know, when I
was watching my whole life, they've always been.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Like man guys about that.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
But they but they run a bunch of on If
you think about JC and Mike when they were in college,
they were mostly you know, man up on guys. But
they run a whole bunch of zone over there. And
you know, they kind of deal with a lot of
these passing concepts, like assuming that they can block things
up front or that things can't get blocked up upfront,
and they get some good pressure going. They don't always
get pressure going though, broad so, uh you they don't
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get a good opportunity to utilize their coverage abilities, Brian,
if you look up deep attempts on them, because that's
one thing I always do is see where the chunk
yards coming from, the big plays coming frost, and I
see a lot of attempts on them. They don't really
they don't really complete them here. So I'm like, man,
where's all the for the lack of better words, where's
(20:49):
all the ass whoop coming from? When they put points
on Carolina and it's all coming from it's always in
the intermediate Ambargarcia, Thank you very much. It's a it's
always she's paying attention. It's always in that middle. Is
always short game. But more importantly, if you could deal
because they're an interesting group of guys. You know, they
got two D D tackles that can deal with the
run really well. But if you can block those dudes,
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nobody else wants to tackle anybody. So if you're looking
for a way to get them, it may not be
chunk yardage in the air early. Maybe later you can
figure something out. Maybe you can hit some over the middle,
middle and then get yak yardis. But if you really
want to beat the hell out of the Panthers here,
you just run the football constantly.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, they used to have a Frankie Luvu who's now
playing with the Commanders. You know, Frankie was a guy
that could really attack the line of scrimmage, can run
through gaps, sideline, the sideline. We always talk about those
guys that make a lot of players, and we've seen
them at the Commanders make those plays. I's just right
again about these cornerbacks though, and so we're both in
where but what's different about these corners? Last week you
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saw a traveler. You saw a traveler with sauce garter.
This time around, though, you will see a guy that
plays to the short side of the field and Jerry Madaline,
I'm doing this for you right now, but these are
boundary He plays as a boundary corner. And we're talking
about j C. Horn. He's one of the better corners
in the league. But when he plays is the boundary corner.
The boundary corner is usually to the side of the
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HASH that's near the sideline. So if the ball is
on the right hash, the boundary would be to the
defense's left, So he plays that side of the field,
and then on the other side, you're going to get
what we call the field corner, and so more grass
to cover over there. So in pro football that the
hashes are kind of close there. It's not as bad
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as what you see in college football with him being
a part and then so you're more having to cover
more ground. But in the pros a little bit sure,
But the boundary corner, usually those guys will play to
that side and they'll use the sideline to help them. Well,
I'll just right again about this. This team plays a
lot of his own coverage. Well, I'm just saying that's
what he says. I'm acknowledging him on this because they
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do play a lot of his own coverage. They play
just as much zone coverage as the Cowboys do, and
they're going to play They're gonna play it. It's seven
yards depth is what they're gonna do. So you're gonna
you're gonna sit there and you're gonna have guys that
playing with seven yards off, so you're gonna have space
in front, and then also in the slot. They play
at about five yards, so you're gonna get zone coverage
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with some depths. So here are your slants, Here your
inbreaking routes. You know, here are the things that you
want to do. Now if you want to if you
even want to do this, and if you want to
run the ball, say you want to run the ball
on the outside. We talked about the Cowboys running game
a little bit earlier in what Williams could do. But
if you want to get it on the outside, you
got a corner over there, a horn that's really not
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interested in tackling. He will try, but he's really not.
So you can understand that if you can set your
formation to where he's going to play into the boundary
and then you put bigger bodies over that side and
just mash that edge and then make him have to
to have to come up and defend. That's a little
bit of a problem for him. So Dallas will hopefully
(23:57):
be able to take some advantage of that.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Not to get too much to the like the football
side of that the analysis, but I do want to know, like,
why why do teams make the decision on a boundary
corner versus a field corner and who goes on which side?
Because my initial thought as you were saying that was
I thought J. C. Horn was one of the best
corners in the league. You would think if you got
a side it's got more grass to cover, you put
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your best guy on that side. To hear that he's
a boundary corner. What would be the thought process and
put making him the boundary corner.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Some guys deal with certain routes better.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So if you're on the boundary side, which is less field,
it's a lot more narrow over there. So you're talking
about corner rats, you're talking about deep balls.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So it's about the routes that he can cover well.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
As opposed to a guy like like Mike Mike Jackson,
who can move quicker, maybe faster slants. You got a
lot more room on crossing routes, breaking in routes, and
maybe you don't want j. C. Horn having to cross
the field on somebody right now, if it's I'm dealing
with a bigger receiver or something like that. Jac's really
good at that working backwards versus bigger guys. If he
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has to play square and work in both directions, that
may not be his game. Same thing with like nickel guys.
If you're in the nickel you're more in the middle
of the formation, So now you have to be a
guy that has better hips to work outside, inside, deeper,
all those things. So yeah, he's a he's a guy
that is a good corner, but to you know your
point there, maybe you wouldn't call him one of the
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absolute best corners because he's not a guy that plays
there's limitations.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, he was taking one spot after Patrick shirt Tanner
right who was And.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
It was suspected that Dallas, like both of those players
that was in the in the Michael Parsons dract coach.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The coaches really liked Horn. Mike McCarthy coached his dad
in New Orleans, and so they had to understanding. The
scouts will tell you, Sir Tan was more ready to
play what it was, kind of buttoned up, wouldn't take chances.
Horn is A was a chance taker and that's wait.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
That was his dad receiver from Wall. So so both
of those players, their dad's played the NF and they.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Were taking right after the other.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Yeah, I love to do favors for people that he knows.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You ain't got no love for Mike, do you?
Speaker 8 (26:07):
I love?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I love Mia McCarthy. May we want a bunch of
games man. He had glaring, glaring issues to your point, though,
Brian bros. With this whole with this whole run game stuff,
I just encourage everybody to play a good old game
of what if with this Dolphins game, because I just
think they came out there with a weird, you know,
with a weird approach to it. They didn't get to
the linebackers very well. The lineman didn't they didn't climb
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to the next level very much. And when you see
that Carolina, they didn't give up a bunch of big
runs because of that. Right, But all these other games, right, yeah,
the majority of the games, right, these linebackers don't really
want to get backed at all.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
This was this was a really strange game when you
watch the tape and you can kind of put while
and rose bum Yeah, you put them all together and
the Dolphins that had no explosive runs. It was really
and then it's funny this defense. You go back and
look and they played I was thinking why against the
Colonels And it might have to do with play against
Kyler Murray. They played a bunch of just bass and
(27:03):
I mean just the normal personnel. Maybe it's having to
deal with Kyler Murray and all that. So we'll see,
you know, they Dallas has got to the Panthers got
to figure out something here. Is that they've got guys
in the secondary and Warrig I think is a good
player that they got from the Raiders and he plays
down a lot in the box. But what they have
(27:24):
to figure out is how do they want to in
this game? How do they want to treat because you
don't have a traveler, so you're gonna get You're gonna
get pickings, You're gonna get him to kind of he
saw him move last week. He was he was switching
to the left and the right and some of the stuff.
But how are they going to play against Jake Ferguson. Now,
the great thing is that you had some guys show
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up last week. So if all of a sudden, Tolbert
didn't show up and Flinoy didn't show up, then all
of a sudden, now it's like, we don't have to
worry about that. We're we're you know, now you have
to now you have to at least account for those guys.
So Carolina is going to have to account for your
tight end, and they're gonna have to account for Flinoy,
and they're gonna likely they're gonna for sure have to
account for Pickens. How much is that going to allow?
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They play a lot of single high safety in the
middle of the field, everybody take a third and try
and help in the running game with with the with
the safety. So how are they going to How they're
going to treat Jake Ferguson I think will be really
really key for them in this game.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, But you know, Brian, something that was interesting
real fair. You remember we're watching college film on Lathan Ransom. Yes,
from Ohio State. You know, we always thought he was
a guy that was very physical he had like a
thumpy tackle he guy, but he wasn't a guy that
I would want playing deep or you know, playing a
whole bunch of coverage and stuff. Watching watching their film,
he does play deep a bunch and our guy Morig,
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who I would assume would play more deep.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
But Morgan is the.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Ex They like him like he's done. He's a if
you if you look at him from where he was
with the Raiders, sure that's kind of where he made
his living was everything was if you play a lot
of that cover three, that single high safety. He was
a guy that was always going to be down and
like he was a very very sure tackler down there.
People like that about him when he signed.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Just based on college knowledge. That might be a segment,
just based on college knowledge. I might try to throw
a deep on Ransom just to see if ye, just
to see yes, to see all right.
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Especially like you're not going all in like that. You're like, there,
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All right, here we go, Shining Star, Falling Star. I'm
gonna throw out a name.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
I want you guys to tell me whether they are
a shining Star, are they falling star? And give me
a little bit of context on what you've seen from
them in the time that they've been on the field
this season.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Let's start first, with this season five games, Yeah, it
could be for this.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
For Nate Thomas, it will be a lot less because
he hasn't played every game. But for what you've seen
this season, the shining star, falling star Nate Thomas, You.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Shining Nate Thomas is very much so shining.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I want everybody to kind of pump some brakes on
some of these uh you know, takings from some of
these people. But I do think for the Cowboys and
what they're asking for these you know, backups and shouts
out to Dack for being the leader. Dad don't even
like to say backups. He just said guys that are
waiting on their opportunity. That's a fantastic way to say,
is uh, you know, Nate has stepped up and he's
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done with what he's asking showing a bit more. He
has to work on some of those lunges and kind
of keeping his feet, but Nate has done fine. Nobody
nobody's gotten gotten killed. So for rising to the occasion,
offensive lineman is the fantass start.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, I would say, I would say that's exactly what
he is, and give the guy some credit for really
missing all of last year kind of getting red shirted.
And you know a lot of probably lonely days in
the weight room, hanging out and working by himself, nobody
really knowing, oh yeah, this is one of our teammates,
but not really being a part of it. You know,
they're coming back, and then all of a sudden, OTA's
you see, he's playing. He's the second right tackle, and
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you're like, man, they got a plan for him. So
once again, offensive line coaches kind of seeing body type,
maybe getting a maybe getting a little bit of a
head start there. But you know, when he had to
go in and play, we saw in the preseason he
did a fine job, and then all of a sudden,
you know, there was some there was some talk about him,
you know, having to maybe start in Week one against Philadelphia.
He kind of felt pretty decent about that. So for
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him to kind of wait for his chance to get
an opportunity to take advantage of it. The technique stuff
will improve, experience will help that. But overall, though, I
think that's a rising star for you right there.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Same I agree with you guys, And I'm also biased though,
because I love his personality. He's just such a goofy,
funny guy that it's hard not to like him, So
I like him on the field and off the field.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Jalen Tobert shining star, falling star, It's.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Falling, you know, Jalen Tobert made a fantastic player.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
You're not loyal. You are not a loyal guy.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I am loyal to honesty.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Jalen Tobin made a fantastic clutch play, looking like a
baseball player out there catching that pass over there at
Green Bay. But I think for the most part, I
think I think the quarterback and the head coach has
a lot of confidence in him, So I think when
we go into games, that's why we see things like
well a, pardon me. They have a lot of confidence
in him, but it doesn't always show on Sundays. They always,
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you know, talk about him as he works, all he's
gonna show up and he's good with the young guys
and not die and all this. But I don't think
that's enough when it comes to are we gonna put
the best guy out there? I think nineteen has kind
of passed him up pretty well there, and that kind
of show last week when Tolburn only had one target
and you know nineteen had nine.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, I think that they're in a situation right now
where I think if if you had to talk about it,
I always talk about sponsors and who's sponsoring, and sometimes
you have to have somebody on that coaching staff or
somebody in the front office. I do think he has
a very important sponsor. I think it's Dak Prescott. I
think Dak Prescott says, listen, I want Jalen Tolbert out there.
(36:50):
I trust Jailing Tobert. I'm gonna throw him the ball
when I can. I know he's gonna go make a
play for him. And I think there's I think the
coaching staff sees that. I think the front office knows that.
But you're right about some of these other receivers we've seen.
We've seen Turpin rise to the occasion. We've seen now
Flinoy rise to the occasion. You know, how how close
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is his spot from being on the active We'll see
what happens with Mingo. I kind of felt like that
when Mingo was off, it really wasn't about the others,
you know, it was about really where was Turpin here?
But I just do believe that as long as Dak
Prescott is in UH in this position, he is going
to always campaign for this guy. Because I think he
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believes in him, and at times he has delivered, But
I think the others are, like Fox said, are rising
above him.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Yeah, I would say for him, it's hard to For me,
it's hard to discredit what he has done because he's
made Like we talk about that catch, that was an
amazing catch. But at the same time, at this point
in his career, he should be further along. So to me,
I don't want to say he's falling or rise and
he's just kind of flat like there. So yeah, neutral,
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I guess for me.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Yeah, you know, one thing I'll say about Jail I
think I'm speaking for myself. I think I have tried
to put him in a cast of maybe a different
player than he is. He is not a volume receiver.
He has not been. He's a guy that you put
him out there and he can reliably do the things
you're kind of asking him to do, and he'll make
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a catch or two for you, and some of them
are going to be huge catches.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Last year he had eight touchdowns. It led the team.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
He can make catches for you, He's just not a
volume receiver. And so I think when I started thinking
about it like that, I'm like, Okay, So it's not
that he's a bad receiver. He's just not a guy
who's gonna go out and get you six to eight
catches in a game.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
That's just not what he does.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
And I listened to the coach yesterday talk about how
he calls games, and he calls games he says he
calls plays for players, not necessarily for specific like get
the ball in this area. It's more about I'm calling
a play to get it in a specific player's hands.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And that tells me all I need to know.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
If last week he gets one target and you see
somebody like Illinois who gets a ton of targets, it
means that they have a little more faith in him
being more of a volume receiver than maybe what they're
looking for is looking for opportunities to get the ball
into Jalen Tolbertan's But I think, like again, I agree
with you, Ambro. I think he's kind of just there.
I don't think he's rising, I don't think he's falling.
He just is what he is. He's plateau. By the
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way this is and by the way, that's not a
bad receiver. To have a guy that you can get
a player or two out of and he could just
kind of be one of your guys. You just don't
need to miscast him into being your second receiver or
maybe even your third receiver.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We're coming out of coming out of school there, third
round pick. Yeah, I mean he was. You watched him
in college. He was a volume casher. Yeah, and he was,
and he would make incredible plays, and the hope was
that he could be that guy. And you're you know,
I'll give him credit. Last week there were a couple
of routes that he ran that drew coverage to get
other guys open. You know, if you want to really
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break down and nitpick the guy, maybe he's not getting
the ball, but damn he's running a route that draws
of safety down on him, on a crossing route that
gets annoyed behind him, on a two level read that
gets that makes a forty yard play. Yeah, I mean
those are the kinds of things. See. But him coming
out of college and you watched him, he amber's right.
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He should be at that level where he is getting
six to seven perceptions.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
But for whatever reason, they don't feel like he's worth
that number of targets, right, they're not. They're not calling
his number enough they're not gonna I shouldn't say enough because
the offense is moving, they're not calling his his number
enough times for him to get more of those opportunities,
and so he just hasn't been a volume receiver for
the Cowboys, all right, Luke Schoolmaker, rising star, falling star.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
You know, they're using Luke Moore and they're trying to
get some blocking stuff going with him. You know, Ambar
is about to say, I hate Luke. I feel like
Revn's a little better. They're not using Brevin for whatever,
or they're using Luke more than Brevin are throwing the balls.
And you know, if you want to compare Luke to
what he was last year, he's kind of like a
similar dude he was last year. I haven't seen really
(41:06):
a step up for him. Uh, he's just kind of
doing the same old thing. I'm not saying that, you know,
you know, he's just collapsing.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
As a as a player, he's fine. But I would say,
just like with the jailing Tober thing, like we drafted
you to be a third round receiving man, schoolmakers the
second round picks. We would like to see you step
up and do what second round picks do uh and
he just hadn't done that, So Plateau not an option.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
So I just say follow him.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, in a in a in a group where there
were a bunch of great tight ends. You know, the
porter was there. Yeah, it's just all of a sudden,
you're sitting there and.
Speaker 5 (41:36):
You're like MacArthur like him.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, you're, you're, you're the situation right there. Yeah, he
absolutely wasn't. There was talk about him maybe and being
a first round pick with Dallas. I mean, but the
think about it was to me, with Luke Schoolmaker, the
expectations for him coming out of Michigan were much much higher.
He was taken in the second round. It was a
very very very deep, deep draft. When it came to
the tight ends, Dallas just selected the one that's probably
(41:59):
not the most product.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It's a Michigan guy. That what you said, Michigan guy.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Just there were a lot of tight ends.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
No, I'm saying you say he's a Michigan guy.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
He's a Michigan Absolutely, he's a Michigan guy.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I love Jeorde Lewis.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
You don't want to, you don't want to Louis. I
love Jordan Louis.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
For me out lost a lot of people here.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Juorde Lewis was a good player.
Speaker 8 (42:20):
Man.
Speaker 7 (42:20):
He's still bawling up there in Jacksonville. Absolutely, he's a
good player.
Speaker 8 (42:23):
Go ahead, No, I was gonna say, for me would
be falling. And he's a guy that right off the
bat when he came in, I had some unjustified issue
because he always bothered me because he always looked very stiff,
which is weird. So I don't know, it was a
thing in my head. I'm like, Oh, he's so stiff.
He's so stiff. But then you see the amount of
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work that he puts in, and you know, you know,
all these guys work hard, but there are some that
you just notice it when they're going kind of the
extra mile. So I do have a different like for
him for that sense is that I know he puts
in the work. I see him putting in the work.
So part of me, that sentimental aspect of it. I
(43:08):
keep holding hope that at some point we're gonna get
to see a little bit more of him. But at
the same time, I don't know if that's kind of
his ceiling, Like this is where it's at right now,
and this is what to expect right it's the problem.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Though some guys are like super talented, so maybe after
the practice they don't have to hear the drugs is hard.
Schoolmaker has to work hard to be here at all.
Like he's not a guy that's gonna lean on talent
at all, Like he's he has to work hard just
to be competitive with the rest of these guys. So
I'm glad he's working hard. But I think this is
as high as we're gonna get with. That's that's what
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I think.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
That's a good all right, that's a wrap. We'll be
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