June 4, 2025 • 46 mins
Derek Eagleton, Bryan Broaddus, Voch Lombardi, and Ambar Garcia discuss the latest Dallas Cowboys news and notes from the final week of OTAs as the team prepares for Minicamp.
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I always believe that during certain times of the year,
and this is the only time of the year when
the team goes away. The only time we really have
anything to talk about regarding the team is if something
bad happens.
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Yeah, that gave me.
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You have no idea how you just changed my life. Really,
you gave me amazing news. Yes, well good, yeah, have
you done this?
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You know, we take a break.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
For us forget. I'm just you know, I just yeah,
the timeline wasn't time and anyway, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
A well we have we have we have this week
and we have next week, and then we're gonna move
on and get ready for training camp, and we'll be
out in training camp later in July, and we'll have
lots of shows teeing up at that time, and then
obviously kicking off the season went back to our normal
daily schedule once we hit September.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Today, though, I want to.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Talk a little bit about the OTAs that have been
happening over the last couple of weeks. We had some
media availability yesterday, and where I want to start. I
have a few observations, just things that that were either
said or were noticed yesterday, and uh, there aren't questions.
I'm just gonna throw them out and I'm just gonna
free for all and let you guys talk about whatever
those observations are.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Let's start for know, your talent is what you do
I do.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Uh, let's start first with my comparisons. He was at
the Star but did not practiced yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He is expected though, to be here next week for
the management as he said, he mentioned that he expects
to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Stephen Jones was asked about his absence and whether it bothering.
His quote was no.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
As part of the business all teams go through it
and that's part of the business.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Thoughts man, he said, I don't want to hear this
no more. I don't want to hear any more question
the the What is he the vice president of co?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What is it like?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Like, what's his title Stephen Jones' title? I think it
is co something something you know, player person.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
He's definitely sweet, an owner and.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Something something fancy see Cowboys doesn't want to talk about
Michael Parsons no more so. I imagine that it is frustrating.
I imagine that he's sick of hearing about it. But
what you're gonna do?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Player?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean you you you're gonna give him what they're
asking for? Or are we gonna continue to play chicken?
I think with certain kind of players, I don't think
you should negotiate or you you you shouldn't try to well,
can you let me slide on a million here? A
million there? Michael Parsons is arguably one of the best
players in football, not just defense, not just edge, the
whole football. You can nickel and dime Donovan Willis. I
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ain't want to say now you can nickel and dime
some other players. You can nickel and dime some of
your new linebackers that you just brought in here vet
minimum these guys, get ahead of it, Stephen Jones, get
ahead of it. Pay them whatever they want, whatever stupid
amount of money that's gonna make him the highest paid
player on defense. TJ. Watter pass it in a little bit.
Somebody else is passing a little bit. Some new defensive
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player will make that a deal in five years time.
So let's let's stop playing today. Let's stop. Let me
ask this question. That's this question.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You're making an assumption sure that whatever the hold up is,
or the reason why the deal hasn't gotten done is
because of money.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
If I was Steve, are you certain that that's the case.
If I was Steven, I will say it. I would like, Hey,
they don't like X y Z. The money's there, we're
offering them because they want.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
To play the no I heard you said.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'm saying, are you sure that that's the case. I
don't know nothing, because okay, so I guess the point
the point I don't want to in this hall, and
I can't leave this hall. I don't know care get
I guess the point of what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
The debate team so I just think I think the
seats no.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I think we have to be careful when we make
assumptions on this kind of stuff, because we've seen in
the past that some of these things get held up
and they find out later the money wasn't issue, there
were other things that will be negotiated by the way, Brian,
you've seen this.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
These contracts have a lot of stuff in them.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
There's a lot of language and a lot of stipulation,
and sometimes those are the things that hold up a
deal more so than the money.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So even if in the contract somewhere there ask me,
even in.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
The d of the contracts, he said, Brian, you know
these contracts, if Michael Parsons want to escalate per year,
it's just say Noah, say yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That's where I'm able to say no, saying.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
What if he's dug in, I want to escalate and
they're like, well, they not give you escalated with giving
you sixty million.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Dollars whatever the number is is the is the best
player in football worth the newest escalade per year? And
if not, you move on. You call somebody, see if
you can get some some draft picks for one of
the best players in the whole league and just and
just go from there. But if not, he is do
what you gotta do is gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You gonna get Steven Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You gonna get whooped in the gun.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Stephen Jones is frustrated right now. He's frustrated, Lewis. He
can't and you know, you cannot. He cannot catch a break.
And here everybody's gonna sell it broad us your you're
you're going for the Jones is here today. Now, I'll
tell you the side of it that I believe is
the fact that he is in a situation where he
cannot get contracts to get staggered.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
He can't.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
He's got two three contracts he has to work on
every single year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He can't get the contract staggered. And all of a sudden, now.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
He's in a in a in a little bit of
a of a little bit of a situation where all
of a sudden he's had to pay for the highest paid.
He's had to put out the money for the highest paid.
You know the thing with Lamb that turned into negotiation
and it was a holdout and all that he got
the OsO Diggy Zoo a deal done because they went
under market. Valve he got digs money done because they
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went under a little bit under market value. I think
Stephen Jones will negotiate with you. I think you have
to also look at the other side. I think you
have to look at David Llagetta in this situation. Why
would David Mulligetta even want to take your call. He
knows what he knows what the guy got at the Raiders,
he knows what the guy got at the Browns. He's
thinking probably that ballpark. Stephen Jones is now in a
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situation where like, even if I keep trying to make
offers to these guys, they're going to continue to say no,
They're just gonna David Mulligetta has no reason to take
his call. That would be very frustrating to me. If
I was going to try and negotiate a deal like
this one and say, listen, see if I could bring
this thing in at thirty seven to five instead of
forty forty one or forty two, that would be very
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frustrating to me. I think that now you have agents
that know that the cowboys are over a barrel, and
when it comes to these negotiations, they've done a great
job of assimbling players for their roster. A great job.
Now it comes to having to pay him. But these
agents have seen what had happened over the years with
these negotiations. It always ends up in the favor of
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and it's in Stephen Jones. I think when he yesterday
lashed out a little bit, you know, he lashed out
and said, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Want to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I sense frustration because he doesn't get to do what
he does best, and that's negotiate.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So these agents, right, and let Brown, we're not fighting
and we're not fighting there. But these these agents, they
represent players all over the league. Right, So this is
me asking because I don't have a question. I don't
have to answers. So why is it that the Lions
right back to back within three weeks? We can go,
all right, But a sail gets done, all right, Jered
God gets done all right? Two or three other people
get done. The Eagles back to back to back to back.
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They find money, They find money to just pay everybody
back to back to back to back. Why are we
the only team? It seems like, hypothetically, in Vaci's mind,
it seems like, oh man, we gotta wait till the last.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh, you gotta get ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
You're right about to wait till the last minute for Mike.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
But you, Zach Martin, I think you're the situation too though,
where these agents are holding them up. I think to
deal with Dak Prescott again, Brian brought us talking here.
You know, not anything from Dallas Cowboys dot comery thing
I've heard of in the building. But you had Todd
France change agencies on on these guys. They thought they
had a deal and all of a sudden France changes agencies.
Look at all his players that year, the year they
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all got franchise tag. He didn't negotiate with anybody because
he was leaving one agency to another and he didn't
want to put old business Dack old business with that
old agency. So to me, sometimes you got to catch
a break on these things. Sometimes it's not just the Joneses,
sometimes it is the agents. But what what does David
will get it? Why even does he have to take
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this call? He knows what the numbers are. Stephen can't
Stephen really can't negotiate with him because those are the numbers.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's what a negotiations about.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Hey, let's see if we can fall under this, let's
see if we could get under that number.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And what you think, Brian, Again, I have a.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Couple of things. Number One, you mentioned the Eagles, and
it's an interesting point because I think that's the initial
perception when you talk or look at what the Eagles
have done and start comparing with what the Cowboys have done.
Derek and I have been in a meeting where it
was somewhat explained to us because it's again it's a
very complicated thing, like you need it all mapped out
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because there are so many players on the team and
every like it all. It just comes in pieces together,
and it's not you're not just talking about one year,
You're looking at multiple years and all that. But my
understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, Derek, I came
out from that meeting with the with the assumption that
every team goes through a certain cycle. You're gonna get
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to a point where the Eagles are not gonna be
able to do what they've been doing, and then the
Cowboys is gonna be their turn to kind of reset
and restart with this all these contracts and again, very
complicated topic. Don't know exactly how it works, but I
think this is the one year in the in the
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limited capacity that they had with the salary cap and
everything like that. I think they've been able to manage
this off season really well in my opinion. Of course,
you still need to get this guy done. Michaeh. We've
been talking about it. We're about to go back to
training camp. I remember being at training camp last year
and him being asked a question about the contract, and
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something else that I was gonna mention was the changing attitude.
I can't speak about the conversations that have been done
between his agent and Steven Jones, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys,
but one thing that it's clear, and we've been seeing
all the way back since training camp, whether it's genuine
or not, whether it's fake or real, the fact is
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Micah has started changing his attitude. Now sure, looking for
that contract, but he started doing things that he hasn't
necessarily done before. For example, even though he hasn't been
at practice, yesterday was the Cowboys media days. This is
the time that Mike, those who know he don't typically
show up to everything, he will not show any by.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
The way, He's not the one there are high profile
players and say I'll do this, I won't do this.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
It's that's yeah, yeah yeah. But he's one of those.
And then that if he do do something, he's not
necessarily in the best mood and you just gotta deal
with it. But again, I just want to contrast, contrast
previous year to right now. He showed up yesterday, He
showed up, even did some Spanish stuff, which has never.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
In my whole life. But he speaking Spanish.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
He he participated, he did good, he did good Spanish.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Don't they don't. They don't let you know. You a't
supposed say certain words. But on that point.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
I heard, I've heard yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go No,
he does not. I really told him off air, and
I told him there does not approve, So I was
gonna say. Also heard from different stations like the photography
station that he was in a great mood and he
did so good. So again I think the willingness sure
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is there that you see some participation, not in full
capacity because he's not showing up and he's already said
he'll be there next week and he said he's going
to show up to training camp regardless whether or not
he has a contract. But it is something that shows
some change and shows some that they're working with. He's
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not upset necessarily, and he's willing to keep putting in
the work in a certain capacity.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Maybe I'm just bothered that, you know, we're in this
offseason and we see Miles Garrett say, you know what,
I'm sick of this Brown stuff. I'm sick of football
and my and my contract is going to be complex too,
but I don't want to be here. I'm leaving. And
then next thing, you know, Miles Garrett is this big
stupid contract. He's like boy Brown for life, y'all. What
we're doing at quarterback right, like just at the you know,
not the snapper, you think hyperbly, right, but maybe like
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in a week or two weeks, we're gonna really wait
this whole thing. And I hope that we don't get
to the end of training camp and now we're like, okay,
well Michaeh hasn't worked out and now he needs five weeks.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And I can ask a question on that, please on
the Browns. How many big contracts do they have on
their rush?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's fair, that's I'm just I want to make sure again,
that's totally let's do the full thing.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
If we're gonna use them as examples.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, if we're gonna use him as example, though, I
want to make sure that we're comparing apple stapples. I
don't think that's of the apple stapples comparison.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Maybe not apples to apples. But in this case, if
you're the jones Is and you've paid this player, this player,
this player now your best player, like he's the Browns
best player. So if Michael is one of our top
three guys and we've paid these I'm like, man.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Michael, Michael, Michael is not and will not be the
highest paid player on this team even when this still
is done.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But even to that point, they knew Michael was coming.
You know, they knew that this Like they set it
up to where, all right, in this amount of time,
this is gonna happen. Oh Michael going crazy. So you
know by year three that he's gonna be looking for something.
This should have been in their mind or I'm not
telling him how to do their job. I didn't go
to school for this, but I'm just saying, maybe that's
maybe there's a way to get around this and maybe
nickeling down somebody else.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
I think those are all fair questions.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I just want to make sure that we think about
it from the standpoint of it's not always just as
simple as we'll just go get them whatever he wants.
I think there are a lot of things that have
to be negotiated, and there are a lot of things that
have to be negotiated on both sides. Both both parties
have to be willing to make the negotiation, as Brian
was saying, but there has to be a coming together
of ideas for them to actors get the deal done.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
There's no sense of urgency for agents to deal with
the Cowboys. There's no sense of urgency none, because what
happens is and to be honest with you about the Browns,
you can look at the quarterback Watson and then also
Denzel war are two high, very high paid guys for them.
But you look, there's no sense of urgency and that
and and and and this is just where we always
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like to say in the media world it's a small
sample size. It's not a small sample size anymore. It's
not you see how some of the contracts have been
done here and how they've been structured, and I don't
think it's always fair to the Joneses, but this is
where are at right now because agents can wait you out.
Nobody wants to have to sit there and deal. They
would love to negotiate in good faith with them about
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Michael Parsons, or with Dak Press Scott, or with Ceed
Lamp or all these guys. You know, we say they wait,
they wait, they wait. We don't always know. On the
other side, I think agents hold the Cowboys up. I
really do. I think I think Steven Adam, Todd Williams,
everybody that does a contract upstairs.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I think they want to negotiate. I really do.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
I think they want to be a part. We've seen though,
when it's Osa and others. I brought that up. We've
seen digs when it was when it wasn't the full
top deal for corners. We've seen what negotiations look like
on certain players. But these top players, though, it has
been a struggle.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Again, I don't think it's all Dallas Cowboy's faultier. But
if I'm an agent and I'm sitting there and I
know what type of player Michael Parsons is, I'm not
picking up the phone. I'm going to make you wait
every single minute on this one.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
And that's what's difficult because you do get that sense of, oh,
there's no urgency because you don't see things actually happening.
But even though you're waiting and waiting, and we've seen
it case after case, at the end of the day,
for the most part, they get it done. The Cowboys
end up signing it.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And that's why Stephen Jones is pissed off right now
because he doesn't get to do with the Joneses. The
Joneses are tremendous. We could talk about all the things
that they do on the football side. These folks are
billionaires because of businesses that they run. They negotiate, they
know how to talk to people, they know how to
get deals done. That's something that they are good at.
You know, now they're getting their ass kicked on the
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football side of things because people are not willing to
step to the table and negotiate with them because they
know that all of a sudden, if you hold them up,
pull them up, holding up you know, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
they know they have to trying to build a football
team here. They felt like they had to have Dak
Prescott that was worth them to put that check in
front of Dak Prescott. You know it's gonna be worth.
It was worth them to have ceede Lamb. They put
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that check in front of them. You know, they're small
hard enough to know that their best players need to
get paid. They're just not getting to negotiate like they're
really good at in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
All right, we're gonna tack our first break.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
When we come back, we're gonna talk about some more
observations from OTA's who get on the field a little bit,
talk about some of stuff that was happening out there
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It is the second segment of the breakwill life from
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the segment, brought to you by blockchain dot Com. All Right,
so we were gonna take a I was gonna take
a right, and in the break, I think we decided
we want to take a left because we got into
a conversation I thought was really interesting. Brian, you teed
up the question, and I thought it's a really really
great question. If let's assume that that Pickens has a
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really great year and you get to next off season
and you have to make a decision as the Cowboys
on resigning either deron Bland.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
That was your question, go ahead, nought, I was taking
I was taking credit.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Great question.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I've learned not to interrupt my teammates.
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I wouldn't let you say go ahead, please finish the
question close to to tell you the question.
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The question is if you had you had to choose,
would you take would you sign Pickens or would you
not Bland. I made the arguments, got no trouble. By
the way, he has a great year because exactly what
you asked him to be.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He comes in. He is a one B receiver.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
He has some games that you don't win without him
making plays that he makes. All those things off the field,
there are no problems. He is the model citizen, He's
a great teammate, all those things. I still say I
go with Bland because I think in terms of replacement value,
And the point that I was trying to make is
I think you guys are talent evaluators. That's what you
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do with the draft show. So you might have a
different opinion. I trust your opinion, but I think there
are more talented wide receivers out there than there are
talented cornerbacks.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I think there is a larger number. So for me, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Harder to go out and replace a Bland than it
is to go out and replace a Pickens. That's nothing
against Pickens. It's just saying there are more of them
out there. It's another reasons why you pay. As we
were talking about the first segment, you pay your top
flight pass rush because there aren't a lot of those
guys around, Like, it's hard to find those guys. What
was the argument you guys were making because both of
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you guys thought you'd take pickings over Bland.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I'm definitely taking pickings, and there's a lot of context
that I would add to it. First of all, how
the Cowboys operate, you know what I mean, Like we're
drafting and we're not gonna go find help outside. Okay,
we found pickings outside, but boy was that rare. So
what I'm thinking is if you're winning games, you're gonna
be drafting late in the first Okay, So if you
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so those top tier wire receivers you're mentioning, for the
most part, they go one to fifteen. They go really
high in the draft. And maybe it's like a new
trend or something like that, but all the best corners
that me and Brian and you know draft guys and
gals that we love. Those corners end up going later.
Joey Porter, Terry and Arnold guys, Cooper de Jean, those guys,
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they end up going later. Trevon Diggs was a Round
two guy for US. Bland was you know, hitting GM.
Win't gonna take craft for that one.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
But it's like, although y'all did get it right on
the draft show, you weren't a part of that, but
they did. That was one guy they were touting a
lot on the Josh I remember hearing that going on.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Pay roll then. But but in my mind, yeah, you
can find receivers, and maybe other teams that draft high
in the draft can find top tier receivers. But if
you're the Cowboys and you plan on winning and you're
in this Dak Prescott win though you're gonna be drafting
in the dag On twenties, you can't find me a
wide receiver in the twenties. That's like George Pickens. I
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think George Pickens is a bona fide dude, Like he's
in that lamb ilk. To me, maybe not a top
three guy in the league, but he's in that twelve
to fifteen. Those guys are like top tier two. I
love Bland, but when it was time for Bland to
be wire, you know, cornerback one DK Metcalf had a
lot to say about that and we had to call
Gill like, hey, Gilly, can you please take care of this?
Or there have been times where hey, Jordan Lewis was
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the best corner in our group of corners or whatever. Right,
I think, just me personally, I think Cede Lamb having
a running mate is more valuable than your cornerback room
being being full of guys, so to speak.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I think everything you said is absolutely right. And I
say that because you know, when you look at it though,
overall though that that's the one thing this team really
really needed. You know, you have this outstanding player in
Ceedee Lamb. You have a quarterback that's very capable of
getting a football, but you're just it's just really like
the old one one trick Boney situation. You know the
fact that they felt like that, hey, we have to
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go and make a bold move to go get a guy,
and they did that. You know, I mean, that's bold
to go get a guy that people think, oh it
might be a little bit of a problem, might be
a locker room problem.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
All these things like that. No, they said, no, we need.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
It's it's so important to us to go get a
guy that can play outside. Now what do they do
in the draft? They might have addressed the situation though
with with Revel. And I'm saying this because I think
that Revel kind of falls into the group of.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Guys that I look at.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I look at how these these quarterbacks and the names
or the names are like we were talking about the
Cooper de Jeans, the Patrick Certant, Garrett Williams is a
guy that plays very high level there at Arizona. We
don't know a lot about him. Trent McDuffie, Derek Stingley.
These are guys that have to line up on a
weekly basis and cover these big time receivers. But the
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every one of those guys that named are super talented guys.
The thing about it is, though this team needs a
wide receiver opposite lamp, and they went and got one.
I think they And the thing that's terrifying to me,
and I'll just say it one more time, is that
that he has a great campaign. But then you're not
allowed or you can't go and get him and keep
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him as part of the offense, and get him going
with Dak and with CD and and helping helping this
team score.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Well just as much as this team needs a second
wide receiver opposite Lamb. We were watching last season when
Trayvon Diggs went down. It ain't nice when you don't
have two, maybe three, really really good corners in this league,
because you will get beat up. Yeah, And I do
think like I agree with you. I think Rebel can
certainly make me think a little bit more about whether
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I would say I can do without Bland. But man,
I still believe in today's NFL because of all the
good talented wide receivers there are out there, if you
don't have a bevy of really good cornerbacks, you are
gonna be screwed. And I feel like the Cowboys fat
they stole one with Bland to let him walk away
after after his first contract, I think would be a travesty.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
I gotta start doing hancing. I know, I feel it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I feel it.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
But now it's my turn. Okay. I think one, we're
having this conversation way too soon for my liking fun conversation.
But I think there's still a lot more to see
of what actually developed throughout the season. I will say
I'm totally with Derek, and I think at the same time,
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. I
think you can make a very very balid point for
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both things, but with their own bland Although you say,
and you could technically find guys to be at corner,
but a guy like Blent is not easy to find.
Not only is he the only issue he's had was
that injury that he dealt with that kept him out,
and that was tough, and you got to look at
what the team and the defense can look like without
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a guy like him. He's been such a solid guy,
not a diva. You know, some corners are a very
diva like ish, very constant and the type of guy
that you want in the locker room. So that is
not necessarily always something that you see all the time.
And he has again that record breaking season. You cannot
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forget about that. Something that the Cowboys lacked last year
was the turnovers, the interceptions, and where was Blent, you know,
recovering and then he got a chance to come back
for a little bit, but it wasn't there. And I'm
expecting hopefully he gets back into that form shown he
can do it, and I think he is a game
changer for the defense.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'll help you make your argument here. Ag.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Philadelphi Eagles were clearly a different team with Cooper Dejene
and then Quinn Mitchell. Their defense went from like one
of the worst when it came to playing past defense.
You know, if you look at the year before and
they and they moved on from Maddox and others. You know,
they just said, you know, we're not good enough.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well they do.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
They drafted to Mitchell and then also Degene and that
made a huge difference in their.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Super Bowl run.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So that is if you're looking at that side of things,
you know, and I to be fair like, I say,
I just think that to me, with the investment that
you've made in your quarterback, you better find a way
to help him as much as possible because we're gonna
have to get to a point where, maybe two years
from now, where the evaluation is like and I'm just
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saying this as.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
The evaluation and it's not working.
Speaker 15 (29:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
We all go through life and we all make these
plans and stuff the things we're going to do, but
then in two years, three years from now, we're saying
it's not working. I want to do everything my power.
I've helped him potentially with the play caller. Now, I've
helped him with potentially new offensive line coaches, maybe some
new talent at right guard, maybe adding a receiver. But
the evaluation, at the end of the day, the most
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expensive evaluation and the most important evaluation is who's playing quarterback.
And if I don't have George Pickens playing out there,
and it's Tolbert and others who have kind of just
every year, I've kind of said, I need this guy
to improve. I need to No, I know, I got
a war daddy out there playing right now.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And I agree with the concept that if Pickens is
not going to be here, you better replace him with
somebody who's talented. Because I agree with they're going to
need they need to talented wide receivers. I agree with
that part of it. I just think if you're faced
with I got to replace a top notch corner or
I have to replace a top notch receiver, I think
you have a better chance of replacing that corner. I mean,
I'm replacing that wide receiver. Then you do that corner
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in one year's draft or in free agency. I just
think there are more of them. I just think there's
a better chance you can find that guy at wide
receiver position.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Then you can find that guy coin.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Now I go flip Miami two and I'll go get
Jalen Ram.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I think I think a corner.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I think he's Miami Dolphin. Yeah, I think, yes, he's
a miamiphin.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I think I can live without like a lockdown corner.
It'll be cool to have a lockdown corner. But like,
as long as your corner is not like that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Plan ain't a lockdown I don't call Bland a lockdown corner.
Bland is a guy that can get turnovers and not
only that, he can get turn ups and tournament to points.
That's what I love about him, and that's the thing
that's uncommon about him. You go out and try to
find that guy that's a hard guy to.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Replace, even even if he's like a regular degular guy
that just doesn't get like, he doesn't like, he doesn't
get picked at all. Like even he's just a regular okay, cool,
just don't get because in real life, rebel may be that.
This year, I think highly of him as a prospect.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But you're stolen there. I think so.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I'm thinking like year two or three rebels, that
one rebel may just be a solid, cool, good corner.
I'm cool with a solid a solid, cool, good corner.
The Cowboys are gonna have to play against teams that
put points on the board, regardless of who you got
lined up at corner, because we got corners and and
we have Trevon di is called eleven picks in one year,
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and Bland can lead the league and pick six and
all that, and teams will still find a way to
put thirty and forty on you. I think you need
firepower to match that. That's just my own take.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
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We got some more observations, maybe we get to them,
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Welcome back to did you want to talk about what
we were talking about in the off I.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Was about to say, are we going there? We're not
gonna go there, not gonna go there. Now we're just
talking about family. It's not my family. Got a lot
of kids in the building.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Today is summer camp's rolling through doing tours, so keep
saying welcome kids in the building.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Thanks, thank you for coming to the media, and enjoy
your summer camp.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Let's talk about a couple of other observations that we
had from OTA's Let's go on the field. Elie Cooker, Uh,
he had he left practice during warm ups. Actually I
was adving supposedly reports he was having backspasms.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Nothing serious that that I've.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Heard, but that being said, I thought the interesting thing
was Elijah Clark is a name that I started seeing
him get some work in previous weeks. He got more
work yesterday to hook her out. Even Janya Thomas, a safety,
they had him kind of working in the slot a
little bit yesterday. Talk to me first about Elijah Clark.
What have you seen from him? What kind of Scotty
report can you give on him? Because he seems to
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be a guy that has an undrafted, drafted free agent
is at least he's getting some opportunities.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Versatile player, tackler, very active in the run game, you know,
kind of long lines up everywhere, deep strong nickel. I
don't know if he's gonna have a whole bunch of
nickel in the league, but as Syracuse they did it.
Pretty rangy player active, you know, I wouldn't put him
at a one high rangey guy, but he could be
like a two high rangey type guy.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Yeah, this is a guy that you talk to people
in the organization usually when they go after these guys,
usually when it's you know, when when you can this
is one of those cases you can actually follow the
money a little bit. But here is one of the
guys that got one of the larger UH signing bonuses,
if you want to say, of the rookie undrafted guys.
And so that told me that he's somewhere between the
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fifth and sixth round on their board what they were
able to do. So here they are picking off guys
that are on their draft board. I think Vatch gave
you the right thumbnail about this kiddy. It looks kind
of like a corner he six one eight the way
he's built.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
UH. But he is one of.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Those guys that he does play downhill, he does tackle well.
I think he saw the field pretty well. You suck
out the range and what his ability Matti RIFLEU is
playing a little more single high with some of the stuff.
He'll play the two, but the single high, and you
could do that with this guy. So I don't know
how much you want to put him in coverage stuff
underneath the nickel corner kind of slot player. I don't
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think that's his cup of tea. But you talk about
a guy that's physical downhill and willing to throw his
body in there and make tackles. But he evidently he's
a smart guy too, because this is not the first
time that we've seen him get work with these with
the first defense one of the first times the observations
that we've been able to make in camp, he was
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kind of working in So this tells me they liked
this kid, sat on their board at a pretty high
spot to be drafted, didn't get it done. They went
and got him. Probably a smart kid. They're now putting
him in there and seeing how much he could really learn.
Throw a lot of things at him, and then when
they get to camp, you could really see what kind
of player you have in him.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
But you can start just by looking at practice and
seeing that and the fact that he's been given in
those opportunities, that's already telling enough that that's someone okay,
they really really like, because you don't tend to see,
at least from my experience, you don't see that a lot,
a whole lot during this time of the year until
you get maybe to training camp and you see more
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of those battles on the second team and all that.
But again, for someone that's undrafted, which you know it's
not that you're taking somebody else's spot that's ahead of
you quote unquote, that tells you a lot that he's
putting in the work, and I would expect and think
that it also goes to what they're doing in the classroom,
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what they're studying in those in those meeting rooms that
it's from the head being smart, and those also when
they're like that in the class I'm rambling here what
I'm trying to say. When when the mind is there
and you're putting in the textbook work, it creates more
opportunities for you on the field. So it again, it's
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just the two on two and it's a guy that
we're definitely going to be keeping an eye on.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
The one interesting one though, I think you need to
look at though, is with we mentioned Parsons earlier in
the broadcast, donovand Azeraku has been playing a little bit
of Michael Parson's role at practice, playing at that linebacker,
the rush guy.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Then the good time.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
I'm sorry about if you have a but yeah, I
think that to me, I always look and see where
guys are lining up where we're playing. You know, watch
and I were doing our show last night. They're doing
all Right podcasts and we were talking about uh with
with Elam and like it seems like that every practice,
you know that we've been able to watch Elam's making place.
Well then okay, well what's where's guy's lining up now?
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Oh Rookie as Araku? Oh wait no, Michael Parsons, Oh wait,
he's standing up always playing outside as a rusher. They're
kind of seeing if he could take those those Michael
Parsons type snaps. And maybe if you have a situation
where Micah does get tired or it has to come
off the field, that maybe as Araku in their mind,
is going to be a guy that they could plug
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in and play those spots real quick.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I also wanted to mention as a part of conversation
with having with a lot of regarding Elijah Clark, this
often happens sometimes when you get a new coordinator in,
they have different schemes, and so you'll start to notice
that some guys that may have been a part of.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
The previous regime, uh, maybe they may not have.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Necessarily the particular skill set that the new coordinator would want.
What do you know, guys know about how let's say
Zimmer chooses to use safeties versus maybe how flu flus
uses safeties, and maybe if there are any differences that
we should be paying attention to as we're watching these
safeties during training.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Yeah, a lot of single high stuff with with Flus,
you know, and you know he you know, he comes
from that. Originally he was with the Rob Ryan administration
and then he's transitioned into the Rod Marinelli who would
play a lot of cover too. You know that that
we always talk about the Tampa two stuff. But you
see if but if you look at the metrics, he's
a single high guy, is what he is.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So he's talking about Flu.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Yeah, so he's he's he's at the at the at
the Bears, they were doing a lot more single high
stuff there, but you know it was it was like say,
with Zimmer, it was a lot of just you know,
a lot of that where he was playing that's a
single high stuff and then he was kind of adjusting
for what he had to do.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
So similar from the safe foot they're at similar.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
But more I think more even more with Flus. I
think more with Flu. Flus is a ton of zone
defense stuff, where Zimmer was more a lot man.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Zim wanted to do everything.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, Zim wanted to do everything.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
This is going to hyper focus on.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Exactly exactly and see I think guys too, like I
want to say this, I think that a guy like
Janier Thomas gets a fresh breath of air with a
new coaching staff. I remember talking to Mike Zimmer about
this last year in training camp and asking and asking
him about how he liked Donovan Wilson and Hooker and
all that he was. He was really really on board
with both players. But then we come to we have
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a change in the coaching staff, and now you see,
you know what happens. We get tender offers, we get
contract offers, you get Thomas signed, you get Bell signed.
That's telling me that Fluc and these guys have coming
in and making an influence that way, that they like
what they've seen with these two guys, and so now
they're gonna get more of an opportunity. This might not
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bode well for guy like Sam Williams, who is also
in that situation. He's trying to get healthy, but now
his sponsors are kind of out the door right here,
So you know, it's there's a lot going on here.
You know, when it comes to coaching staff, sometimes guys go,
I got a new chance, and the other guys go, damn,
my guy's gone.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Some guys can't get hurt like some guys do not
have the luxury to get hurt. Like there are some
veterans to where they feel like, if Okay, I leave
and I come back, I'll still be fine. There's a
lot of young safeties in this room or in that
safety room that are just waiting for an opportunity, and
I think if they get on the field, I think
it's going to be really hard for you to get
them off the field. There's a lot of guys in
their linebacker room that are fighting for their life, competing
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and competing, competing. So if you're like an old veteran
life back Clark, if the moon and Clark, you've been
in this team for a long.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Time, interception yesterday.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, and you got some guys that been drafted last year,
drafted this year, some.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Sign sign guys, two guys.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Some of y'all can't afford to miss a week here,
a week there. You gotta stay healthy.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Yeah, I think that's no veteran day off this year.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
That's easy for you to say.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Those veterans like I need a day off every once,
not this year, not this year.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
On the way, there's something I would like to see though,
the training cramp, training camp practices something like that. Training
camp practices, you know, I'm interested to see how those
are going to go. But I really do want to
see a preseason though more veteran players play. I would
like to see more of an how is this going
to work?
Speaker 7 (43:40):
How is this going to you have to I don't
see how you don't with what you got waiting for
you on week Once.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Didn't it made me see, Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
I just do.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I do think obviously this year they're starting on Thursday night,
opening the season against the defending champs. I do think
that that I will be interested to see if they
look at preseason now. Part of it might just be
the coach has a different philosophy, right, we got a
new coach, but I would I would love to see
how I want to see how they address that and
if they will and at least give him a few
reps veterans, because these last couple of years it's been
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like literally they just don't play.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
I do not I do not have any any thoughts that, like,
you know, to me, I look at like I was
with Andy Reid and what he does in Kansas City,
and obviously they've had success, so they have pat Mahomes
and a lot of other things going for him there.
But there's some teams that do that absolutely take preseason
seriously in that way and get evaluations. And then there's
some teams like the Rams, that guy does not care
(44:36):
about what's going on in preseason. But I think, I
think Dallas me personally, this is being selfish. I want
to see this offensive line play together. I want to
see him have a little six. I want to see
if Miles Sanders really can. In the last couple of
times we've had media availability, Miles Sanders has come out
as a guy that's got some juice to his game.
I'd love to see him run the ball a little bit,
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you know, and see if, in fact that we get
some some block and it's protection and and go that
route and kind of have a little positivity going into
that Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah, between all the new coaches and all the new players,
I almost think you have to in order to just
get them prepared for the upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
It's one thing.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
We have a veteran team that's pretty much stayed together
for a year, two years, three years, whatever the case
might be. But this team feels like there's so much
newness that I just feel like it might be necessary.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
I think some of the slow starts that they've had
offensively have been because they don't play preseason games.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's just me, all right.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
I appreciate you guys joining us. That's a wrap. We'll
be back next week.
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for Box Lombardi Brian brought us in Ambergarci. I'm Derek Eagleton.
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I always believe that during certain times of the year,
and this is the only time of the year when
the team goes away. The only time we really have
anything to talk about regarding the team is if something
bad happens.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
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You have no idea how you just changed my life. Really,
you gave me amazing news. Yes, well good, yeah, have
you done this?
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You know, we take a break.
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For us forget. I'm just you know, I just yeah,
the timeline wasn't time and anyway, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
A well we have we have we have this week
and we have next week, and then we're gonna move
on and get ready for training camp, and we'll be
out in training camp later in July, and we'll have
lots of shows teeing up at that time, and then
obviously kicking off the season went back to our normal
daily schedule once we hit September.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Today, though, I want to.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Talk a little bit about the OTAs that have been
happening over the last couple of weeks. We had some
media availability yesterday, and where I want to start. I
have a few observations, just things that that were either
said or were noticed yesterday, and uh, there aren't questions.
I'm just gonna throw them out and I'm just gonna
free for all and let you guys talk about whatever
those observations are.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Let's start for know, your talent is what you do
I do.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Uh, let's start first with my comparisons. He was at
the Star but did not practiced yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He is expected though, to be here next week for
the management as he said, he mentioned that he expects
to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Stephen Jones was asked about his absence and whether it bothering.
His quote was no.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
As part of the business all teams go through it
and that's part of the business.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Thoughts man, he said, I don't want to hear this
no more. I don't want to hear any more question
the the What is he the vice president of co?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
What is it like?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Like, what's his title Stephen Jones' title? I think it
is co something something you know, player person.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
He's definitely sweet, an owner and.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Something something fancy see Cowboys doesn't want to talk about
Michael Parsons no more so. I imagine that it is frustrating.
I imagine that he's sick of hearing about it. But
what you're gonna do?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Player?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean you you you're gonna give him what they're
asking for? Or are we gonna continue to play chicken?
I think with certain kind of players, I don't think
you should negotiate or you you you shouldn't try to well,
can you let me slide on a million here? A
million there? Michael Parsons is arguably one of the best
players in football, not just defense, not just edge, the
whole football. You can nickel and dime Donovan Willis. I
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ain't want to say now you can nickel and dime
some other players. You can nickel and dime some of
your new linebackers that you just brought in here vet
minimum these guys, get ahead of it, Stephen Jones, get
ahead of it. Pay them whatever they want, whatever stupid
amount of money that's gonna make him the highest paid
player on defense. TJ. Watter pass it in a little bit.
Somebody else is passing a little bit. Some new defensive
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player will make that a deal in five years time.
So let's let's stop playing today. Let's stop. Let me
ask this question. That's this question.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You're making an assumption sure that whatever the hold up is,
or the reason why the deal hasn't gotten done is
because of money.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
If I was Steve, are you certain that that's the case.
If I was Steven, I will say it. I would like, Hey,
they don't like X y Z. The money's there, we're
offering them because they want.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
To play the no I heard you said.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'm saying, are you sure that that's the case. I
don't know nothing, because okay, so I guess the point
the point I don't want to in this hall, and
I can't leave this hall. I don't know care get
I guess the point of what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
The debate team so I just think I think the
seats no.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I think we have to be careful when we make
assumptions on this kind of stuff, because we've seen in
the past that some of these things get held up
and they find out later the money wasn't issue, there
were other things that will be negotiated by the way, Brian,
you've seen this.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
These contracts have a lot of stuff in them.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
There's a lot of language and a lot of stipulation,
and sometimes those are the things that hold up a
deal more so than the money.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So even if in the contract somewhere there ask me,
even in.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
The d of the contracts, he said, Brian, you know
these contracts, if Michael Parsons want to escalate per year,
it's just say Noah, say yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
That's where I'm able to say no, saying.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
What if he's dug in, I want to escalate and
they're like, well, they not give you escalated with giving
you sixty million.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Dollars whatever the number is is the is the best
player in football worth the newest escalade per year? And
if not, you move on. You call somebody, see if
you can get some some draft picks for one of
the best players in the whole league and just and
just go from there. But if not, he is do
what you gotta do is gonna stick.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You gonna get Steven Jones.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You gonna get whooped in the gun.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Stephen Jones is frustrated right now. He's frustrated, Lewis. He
can't and you know, you cannot. He cannot catch a break.
And here everybody's gonna sell it broad us your you're
you're going for the Jones is here today. Now, I'll
tell you the side of it that I believe is
the fact that he is in a situation where he
cannot get contracts to get staggered.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
He can't.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
He's got two three contracts he has to work on
every single year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He can't get the contract staggered. And all of a sudden, now.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
He's in a in a in a little bit of
a of a little bit of a situation where all
of a sudden he's had to pay for the highest paid.
He's had to put out the money for the highest paid.
You know the thing with Lamb that turned into negotiation
and it was a holdout and all that he got
the OsO Diggy Zoo a deal done because they went
under market. Valve he got digs money done because they
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went under a little bit under market value. I think
Stephen Jones will negotiate with you. I think you have
to also look at the other side. I think you
have to look at David Llagetta in this situation. Why
would David Mulligetta even want to take your call. He
knows what he knows what the guy got at the Raiders,
he knows what the guy got at the Browns. He's
thinking probably that ballpark. Stephen Jones is now in a
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situation where like, even if I keep trying to make
offers to these guys, they're going to continue to say no,
They're just gonna David Mulligetta has no reason to take
his call. That would be very frustrating to me. If
I was going to try and negotiate a deal like
this one and say, listen, see if I could bring
this thing in at thirty seven to five instead of
forty forty one or forty two, that would be very
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frustrating to me. I think that now you have agents
that know that the cowboys are over a barrel, and
when it comes to these negotiations, they've done a great
job of assimbling players for their roster. A great job.
Now it comes to having to pay him. But these
agents have seen what had happened over the years with
these negotiations. It always ends up in the favor of
(07:58):
and it's in Stephen Jones. I think when he yesterday
lashed out a little bit, you know, he lashed out
and said, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Want to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I sense frustration because he doesn't get to do what
he does best, and that's negotiate.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So these agents, right, and let Brown, we're not fighting
and we're not fighting there. But these these agents, they
represent players all over the league. Right, So this is
me asking because I don't have a question. I don't
have to answers. So why is it that the Lions
right back to back within three weeks? We can go,
all right, But a sail gets done, all right, Jered
God gets done all right? Two or three other people
get done. The Eagles back to back to back to back.
(08:35):
They find money, They find money to just pay everybody
back to back to back to back. Why are we
the only team? It seems like, hypothetically, in Vaci's mind,
it seems like, oh man, we gotta wait till the last.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh, you gotta get ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
You're right about to wait till the last minute for Mike.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
But you, Zach Martin, I think you're the situation too though,
where these agents are holding them up. I think to
deal with Dak Prescott again, Brian brought us talking here.
You know, not anything from Dallas Cowboys dot comery thing
I've heard of in the building. But you had Todd
France change agencies on on these guys. They thought they
had a deal and all of a sudden France changes agencies.
Look at all his players that year, the year they
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all got franchise tag. He didn't negotiate with anybody because
he was leaving one agency to another and he didn't
want to put old business Dack old business with that
old agency. So to me, sometimes you got to catch
a break on these things. Sometimes it's not just the Joneses,
sometimes it is the agents. But what what does David
will get it? Why even does he have to take
(09:33):
this call? He knows what the numbers are. Stephen can't
Stephen really can't negotiate with him because those are the numbers.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That's what a negotiations about.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Hey, let's see if we can fall under this, let's
see if we could get under that number.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And what you think, Brian, Again, I have a.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Couple of things. Number One, you mentioned the Eagles, and
it's an interesting point because I think that's the initial
perception when you talk or look at what the Eagles
have done and start comparing with what the Cowboys have done.
Derek and I have been in a meeting where it
was somewhat explained to us because it's again it's a
very complicated thing, like you need it all mapped out
(10:10):
because there are so many players on the team and
every like it all. It just comes in pieces together,
and it's not you're not just talking about one year,
You're looking at multiple years and all that. But my
understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, Derek, I came
out from that meeting with the with the assumption that
every team goes through a certain cycle. You're gonna get
(10:33):
to a point where the Eagles are not gonna be
able to do what they've been doing, and then the
Cowboys is gonna be their turn to kind of reset
and restart with this all these contracts and again, very
complicated topic. Don't know exactly how it works, but I
think this is the one year in the in the
(10:55):
limited capacity that they had with the salary cap and
everything like that. I think they've been able to manage
this off season really well in my opinion. Of course,
you still need to get this guy done. Michaeh. We've
been talking about it. We're about to go back to
training camp. I remember being at training camp last year
and him being asked a question about the contract, and
(11:17):
something else that I was gonna mention was the changing attitude.
I can't speak about the conversations that have been done
between his agent and Steven Jones, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys,
but one thing that it's clear, and we've been seeing
all the way back since training camp, whether it's genuine
or not, whether it's fake or real, the fact is
(11:37):
Micah has started changing his attitude. Now sure, looking for
that contract, but he started doing things that he hasn't
necessarily done before. For example, even though he hasn't been
at practice, yesterday was the Cowboys media days. This is
the time that Mike, those who know he don't typically
show up to everything, he will not show any by.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
The way, He's not the one there are high profile
players and say I'll do this, I won't do this.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
It's that's yeah, yeah yeah. But he's one of those.
And then that if he do do something, he's not
necessarily in the best mood and you just gotta deal
with it. But again, I just want to contrast, contrast
previous year to right now. He showed up yesterday, He
showed up, even did some Spanish stuff, which has never.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
In my whole life. But he speaking Spanish.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
He he participated, he did good, he did good Spanish.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Don't they don't. They don't let you know. You a't
supposed say certain words. But on that point.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
I heard, I've heard yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go No,
he does not. I really told him off air, and
I told him there does not approve, So I was
gonna say. Also heard from different stations like the photography
station that he was in a great mood and he
did so good. So again I think the willingness sure
(13:09):
is there that you see some participation, not in full
capacity because he's not showing up and he's already said
he'll be there next week and he said he's going
to show up to training camp regardless whether or not
he has a contract. But it is something that shows
some change and shows some that they're working with. He's
(13:31):
not upset necessarily, and he's willing to keep putting in
the work in a certain capacity.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Maybe I'm just bothered that, you know, we're in this
offseason and we see Miles Garrett say, you know what,
I'm sick of this Brown stuff. I'm sick of football
and my and my contract is going to be complex too,
but I don't want to be here. I'm leaving. And
then next thing, you know, Miles Garrett is this big
stupid contract. He's like boy Brown for life, y'all. What
we're doing at quarterback right, like just at the you know,
not the snapper, you think hyperbly, right, but maybe like
(13:58):
in a week or two weeks, we're gonna really wait
this whole thing. And I hope that we don't get
to the end of training camp and now we're like, okay,
well Michaeh hasn't worked out and now he needs five weeks.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And I can ask a question on that, please on
the Browns. How many big contracts do they have on
their rush?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's fair, that's I'm just I want to make sure again,
that's totally let's do the full thing.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
If we're gonna use them as examples.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, if we're gonna use him as example, though, I
want to make sure that we're comparing apple stapples. I
don't think that's of the apple stapples comparison.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Maybe not apples to apples. But in this case, if
you're the jones Is and you've paid this player, this player,
this player now your best player, like he's the Browns
best player. So if Michael is one of our top
three guys and we've paid these I'm like, man.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Michael, Michael, Michael is not and will not be the
highest paid player on this team even when this still
is done.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But even to that point, they knew Michael was coming.
You know, they knew that this Like they set it
up to where, all right, in this amount of time,
this is gonna happen. Oh Michael going crazy. So you
know by year three that he's gonna be looking for something.
This should have been in their mind or I'm not
telling him how to do their job. I didn't go
to school for this, but I'm just saying, maybe that's
maybe there's a way to get around this and maybe
nickeling down somebody else.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
I think those are all fair questions.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I just want to make sure that we think about
it from the standpoint of it's not always just as
simple as we'll just go get them whatever he wants.
I think there are a lot of things that have
to be negotiated, and there are a lot of things that
have to be negotiated on both sides. Both both parties
have to be willing to make the negotiation, as Brian
was saying, but there has to be a coming together
of ideas for them to actors get the deal done.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
There's no sense of urgency for agents to deal with
the Cowboys. There's no sense of urgency none, because what
happens is and to be honest with you about the Browns,
you can look at the quarterback Watson and then also
Denzel war are two high, very high paid guys for them.
But you look, there's no sense of urgency and that
and and and and this is just where we always
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like to say in the media world it's a small
sample size. It's not a small sample size anymore. It's
not you see how some of the contracts have been
done here and how they've been structured, and I don't
think it's always fair to the Joneses, but this is
where are at right now because agents can wait you out.
Nobody wants to have to sit there and deal. They
would love to negotiate in good faith with them about
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Michael Parsons, or with Dak Press Scott, or with Ceed
Lamp or all these guys. You know, we say they wait,
they wait, they wait. We don't always know. On the
other side, I think agents hold the Cowboys up. I
really do. I think I think Steven Adam, Todd Williams,
everybody that does a contract upstairs.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I think they want to negotiate. I really do.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
I think they want to be a part. We've seen though,
when it's Osa and others. I brought that up. We've
seen digs when it was when it wasn't the full
top deal for corners. We've seen what negotiations look like
on certain players. But these top players, though, it has
been a struggle.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Again, I don't think it's all Dallas Cowboy's faultier. But
if I'm an agent and I'm sitting there and I
know what type of player Michael Parsons is, I'm not
picking up the phone. I'm going to make you wait
every single minute on this one.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
And that's what's difficult because you do get that sense of, oh,
there's no urgency because you don't see things actually happening.
But even though you're waiting and waiting, and we've seen
it case after case, at the end of the day,
for the most part, they get it done. The Cowboys
end up signing it.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And that's why Stephen Jones is pissed off right now
because he doesn't get to do with the Joneses. The
Joneses are tremendous. We could talk about all the things
that they do on the football side. These folks are
billionaires because of businesses that they run. They negotiate, they
know how to talk to people, they know how to
get deals done. That's something that they are good at.
You know, now they're getting their ass kicked on the
(17:36):
football side of things because people are not willing to
step to the table and negotiate with them because they
know that all of a sudden, if you hold them up,
pull them up, holding up you know, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
they know they have to trying to build a football
team here. They felt like they had to have Dak
Prescott that was worth them to put that check in
front of Dak Prescott. You know it's gonna be worth.
It was worth them to have ceede Lamb. They put
(17:57):
that check in front of them. You know, they're small
hard enough to know that their best players need to
get paid. They're just not getting to negotiate like they're
really good at in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
All right, we're gonna tack our first break.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
When we come back, we're gonna talk about some more
observations from OTA's who get on the field a little bit,
talk about some of stuff that was happening out there
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It is the second segment of the breakwill life from
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so we were gonna take a I was gonna take
a right, and in the break, I think we decided
we want to take a left because we got into
a conversation I thought was really interesting. Brian, you teed
up the question, and I thought it's a really really
great question. If let's assume that that Pickens has a
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really great year and you get to next off season
and you have to make a decision as the Cowboys
on resigning either deron Bland.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
That was your question, go ahead, nought, I was taking
I was taking credit.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Great question.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I've learned not to interrupt my teammates.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I wouldn't let you say go ahead, please finish the
question close to to tell you the question.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
The question is if you had you had to choose,
would you take would you sign Pickens or would you
not Bland. I made the arguments, got no trouble. By
the way, he has a great year because exactly what
you asked him to be.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
He comes in. He is a one B receiver.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
He has some games that you don't win without him
making plays that he makes. All those things off the field,
there are no problems. He is the model citizen, He's
a great teammate, all those things. I still say I
go with Bland because I think in terms of replacement value,
And the point that I was trying to make is
I think you guys are talent evaluators. That's what you
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do with the draft show. So you might have a
different opinion. I trust your opinion, but I think there
are more talented wide receivers out there than there are
talented cornerbacks.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I think there is a larger number. So for me, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Harder to go out and replace a Bland than it
is to go out and replace a Pickens. That's nothing
against Pickens. It's just saying there are more of them
out there. It's another reasons why you pay. As we
were talking about the first segment, you pay your top
flight pass rush because there aren't a lot of those
guys around, Like, it's hard to find those guys. What
was the argument you guys were making because both of
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you guys thought you'd take pickings over Bland.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I'm definitely taking pickings, and there's a lot of context
that I would add to it. First of all, how
the Cowboys operate, you know what I mean, Like we're
drafting and we're not gonna go find help outside. Okay,
we found pickings outside, but boy was that rare. So
what I'm thinking is if you're winning games, you're gonna
be drafting late in the first Okay, So if you
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so those top tier wire receivers you're mentioning, for the
most part, they go one to fifteen. They go really
high in the draft. And maybe it's like a new
trend or something like that, but all the best corners
that me and Brian and you know draft guys and
gals that we love. Those corners end up going later.
Joey Porter, Terry and Arnold guys, Cooper de Jean, those guys,
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they end up going later. Trevon Diggs was a Round
two guy for US. Bland was you know, hitting GM.
Win't gonna take craft for that one.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
But it's like, although y'all did get it right on
the draft show, you weren't a part of that, but
they did. That was one guy they were touting a
lot on the Josh I remember hearing that going on.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Pay roll then. But but in my mind, yeah, you
can find receivers, and maybe other teams that draft high
in the draft can find top tier receivers. But if
you're the Cowboys and you plan on winning and you're
in this Dak Prescott win though you're gonna be drafting
in the dag On twenties, you can't find me a
wide receiver in the twenties. That's like George Pickens. I
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think George Pickens is a bona fide dude, Like he's
in that lamb ilk. To me, maybe not a top
three guy in the league, but he's in that twelve
to fifteen. Those guys are like top tier two. I
love Bland, but when it was time for Bland to
be wire, you know, cornerback one DK Metcalf had a
lot to say about that and we had to call
Gill like, hey, Gilly, can you please take care of this?
Or there have been times where hey, Jordan Lewis was
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the best corner in our group of corners or whatever. Right,
I think, just me personally, I think Cede Lamb having
a running mate is more valuable than your cornerback room
being being full of guys, so to speak.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I think everything you said is absolutely right. And I
say that because you know, when you look at it though,
overall though that that's the one thing this team really
really needed. You know, you have this outstanding player in
Ceedee Lamb. You have a quarterback that's very capable of
getting a football, but you're just it's just really like
the old one one trick Boney situation. You know the
fact that they felt like that, hey, we have to
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go and make a bold move to go get a guy,
and they did that. You know, I mean, that's bold
to go get a guy that people think, oh it
might be a little bit of a problem, might be
a locker room problem.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
All these things like that. No, they said, no, we need.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
It's it's so important to us to go get a
guy that can play outside. Now what do they do
in the draft? They might have addressed the situation though
with with Revel. And I'm saying this because I think
that Revel kind of falls into the group of.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Guys that I look at.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I look at how these these quarterbacks and the names
or the names are like we were talking about the
Cooper de Jeans, the Patrick Certant, Garrett Williams is a
guy that plays very high level there at Arizona. We
don't know a lot about him. Trent McDuffie, Derek Stingley.
These are guys that have to line up on a
weekly basis and cover these big time receivers. But the
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every one of those guys that named are super talented guys.
The thing about it is, though this team needs a
wide receiver opposite lamp, and they went and got one.
I think they And the thing that's terrifying to me,
and I'll just say it one more time, is that
that he has a great campaign. But then you're not
allowed or you can't go and get him and keep
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him as part of the offense, and get him going
with Dak and with CD and and helping helping this
team score.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Well just as much as this team needs a second
wide receiver opposite Lamb. We were watching last season when
Trayvon Diggs went down. It ain't nice when you don't
have two, maybe three, really really good corners in this league,
because you will get beat up. Yeah, And I do
think like I agree with you. I think Rebel can
certainly make me think a little bit more about whether
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I would say I can do without Bland. But man,
I still believe in today's NFL because of all the
good talented wide receivers there are out there, if you
don't have a bevy of really good cornerbacks, you are
gonna be screwed. And I feel like the Cowboys fat
they stole one with Bland to let him walk away
after after his first contract, I think would be a travesty.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
I gotta start doing hancing. I know, I feel it.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I feel it.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
But now it's my turn. Okay. I think one, we're
having this conversation way too soon for my liking fun conversation.
But I think there's still a lot more to see
of what actually developed throughout the season. I will say
I'm totally with Derek, and I think at the same time,
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. I
think you can make a very very balid point for
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both things, but with their own bland Although you say,
and you could technically find guys to be at corner,
but a guy like Blent is not easy to find.
Not only is he the only issue he's had was
that injury that he dealt with that kept him out,
and that was tough, and you got to look at
what the team and the defense can look like without
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a guy like him. He's been such a solid guy,
not a diva. You know, some corners are a very
diva like ish, very constant and the type of guy
that you want in the locker room. So that is
not necessarily always something that you see all the time.
And he has again that record breaking season. You cannot
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forget about that. Something that the Cowboys lacked last year
was the turnovers, the interceptions, and where was Blent, you know,
recovering and then he got a chance to come back
for a little bit, but it wasn't there. And I'm
expecting hopefully he gets back into that form shown he
can do it, and I think he is a game
changer for the defense.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'll help you make your argument here. Ag.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Philadelphi Eagles were clearly a different team with Cooper Dejene
and then Quinn Mitchell. Their defense went from like one
of the worst when it came to playing past defense.
You know, if you look at the year before and
they and they moved on from Maddox and others. You know,
they just said, you know, we're not good enough.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well they do.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
They drafted to Mitchell and then also Degene and that
made a huge difference in their.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Super Bowl run.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So that is if you're looking at that side of things,
you know, and I to be fair like, I say,
I just think that to me, with the investment that
you've made in your quarterback, you better find a way
to help him as much as possible because we're gonna
have to get to a point where, maybe two years
from now, where the evaluation is like and I'm just
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saying this as.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
The evaluation and it's not working.
Speaker 15 (29:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
We all go through life and we all make these
plans and stuff the things we're going to do, but
then in two years, three years from now, we're saying
it's not working. I want to do everything my power.
I've helped him potentially with the play caller. Now, I've
helped him with potentially new offensive line coaches, maybe some
new talent at right guard, maybe adding a receiver. But
the evaluation, at the end of the day, the most
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expensive evaluation and the most important evaluation is who's playing quarterback.
And if I don't have George Pickens playing out there,
and it's Tolbert and others who have kind of just
every year, I've kind of said, I need this guy
to improve. I need to No, I know, I got
a war daddy out there playing right now.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
And I agree with the concept that if Pickens is
not going to be here, you better replace him with
somebody who's talented. Because I agree with they're going to
need they need to talented wide receivers. I agree with
that part of it. I just think if you're faced
with I got to replace a top notch corner or
I have to replace a top notch receiver, I think
you have a better chance of replacing that corner. I mean,
I'm replacing that wide receiver. Then you do that corner
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in one year's draft or in free agency. I just
think there are more of them. I just think there's
a better chance you can find that guy at wide
receiver position.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Then you can find that guy coin.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Now I go flip Miami two and I'll go get
Jalen Ram.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I think I think a corner.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I think he's Miami Dolphin. Yeah, I think, yes, he's
a miamiphin.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I think I can live without like a lockdown corner.
It'll be cool to have a lockdown corner. But like,
as long as your corner is not like that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Plan ain't a lockdown I don't call Bland a lockdown corner.
Bland is a guy that can get turnovers and not
only that, he can get turn ups and tournament to points.
That's what I love about him, and that's the thing
that's uncommon about him. You go out and try to
find that guy that's a hard guy to.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Replace, even even if he's like a regular degular guy
that just doesn't get like, he doesn't like, he doesn't
get picked at all. Like even he's just a regular okay, cool,
just don't get because in real life, rebel may be that.
This year, I think highly of him as a prospect.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But you're stolen there. I think so.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I'm thinking like year two or three rebels, that
one rebel may just be a solid, cool, good corner.
I'm cool with a solid a solid, cool, good corner.
The Cowboys are gonna have to play against teams that
put points on the board, regardless of who you got
lined up at corner, because we got corners and and
we have Trevon di is called eleven picks in one year,
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and Bland can lead the league and pick six and
all that, and teams will still find a way to
put thirty and forty on you. I think you need
firepower to match that. That's just my own take.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
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We got some more observations, maybe we get to them,
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Welcome back to did you want to talk about what
we were talking about in the off I.
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Was about to say, are we going there? We're not
gonna go there, not gonna go there. Now we're just
talking about family. It's not my family. Got a lot
of kids in the building.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Today is summer camp's rolling through doing tours, so keep
saying welcome kids in the building.
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Thanks, thank you for coming to the media, and enjoy
your summer camp.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Let's talk about a couple of other observations that we
had from OTA's Let's go on the field. Elie Cooker, Uh,
he had he left practice during warm ups. Actually I
was adving supposedly reports he was having backspasms.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Nothing serious that that I've.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Heard, but that being said, I thought the interesting thing
was Elijah Clark is a name that I started seeing
him get some work in previous weeks. He got more
work yesterday to hook her out. Even Janya Thomas, a safety,
they had him kind of working in the slot a
little bit yesterday. Talk to me first about Elijah Clark.
What have you seen from him? What kind of Scotty
report can you give on him? Because he seems to
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be a guy that has an undrafted, drafted free agent
is at least he's getting some opportunities.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Versatile player, tackler, very active in the run game, you know,
kind of long lines up everywhere, deep strong nickel. I
don't know if he's gonna have a whole bunch of
nickel in the league, but as Syracuse they did it.
Pretty rangy player active, you know, I wouldn't put him
at a one high rangey guy, but he could be
like a two high rangey type guy.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
Yeah, this is a guy that you talk to people
in the organization usually when they go after these guys,
usually when it's you know, when when you can this
is one of those cases you can actually follow the
money a little bit. But here is one of the
guys that got one of the larger UH signing bonuses,
if you want to say, of the rookie undrafted guys.
And so that told me that he's somewhere between the
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fifth and sixth round on their board what they were
able to do. So here they are picking off guys
that are on their draft board. I think Vatch gave
you the right thumbnail about this kiddy. It looks kind
of like a corner he six one eight the way
he's built.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
UH. But he is one of.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Those guys that he does play downhill, he does tackle well.
I think he saw the field pretty well. You suck
out the range and what his ability Matti RIFLEU is
playing a little more single high with some of the stuff.
He'll play the two, but the single high, and you
could do that with this guy. So I don't know
how much you want to put him in coverage stuff
underneath the nickel corner kind of slot player. I don't
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think that's his cup of tea. But you talk about
a guy that's physical downhill and willing to throw his
body in there and make tackles. But he evidently he's
a smart guy too, because this is not the first
time that we've seen him get work with these with
the first defense one of the first times the observations
that we've been able to make in camp, he was
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kind of working in So this tells me they liked
this kid, sat on their board at a pretty high
spot to be drafted, didn't get it done. They went
and got him. Probably a smart kid. They're now putting
him in there and seeing how much he could really learn.
Throw a lot of things at him, and then when
they get to camp, you could really see what kind
of player you have in him.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
But you can start just by looking at practice and
seeing that and the fact that he's been given in
those opportunities, that's already telling enough that that's someone okay,
they really really like, because you don't tend to see,
at least from my experience, you don't see that a lot,
a whole lot during this time of the year until
you get maybe to training camp and you see more
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of those battles on the second team and all that.
But again, for someone that's undrafted, which you know it's
not that you're taking somebody else's spot that's ahead of
you quote unquote, that tells you a lot that he's
putting in the work, and I would expect and think
that it also goes to what they're doing in the classroom,
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what they're studying in those in those meeting rooms that
it's from the head being smart, and those also when
they're like that in the class I'm rambling here what
I'm trying to say. When when the mind is there
and you're putting in the textbook work, it creates more
opportunities for you on the field. So it again, it's
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just the two on two and it's a guy that
we're definitely going to be keeping an eye on.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
The one interesting one though, I think you need to
look at though, is with we mentioned Parsons earlier in
the broadcast, donovand Azeraku has been playing a little bit
of Michael Parson's role at practice, playing at that linebacker,
the rush guy.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Then the good time.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
I'm sorry about if you have a but yeah, I
think that to me, I always look and see where
guys are lining up where we're playing. You know, watch
and I were doing our show last night. They're doing
all Right podcasts and we were talking about uh with
with Elam and like it seems like that every practice,
you know that we've been able to watch Elam's making place.
Well then okay, well what's where's guy's lining up now?
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Oh Rookie as Araku? Oh wait no, Michael Parsons, Oh wait,
he's standing up always playing outside as a rusher. They're
kind of seeing if he could take those those Michael
Parsons type snaps. And maybe if you have a situation
where Micah does get tired or it has to come
off the field, that maybe as Araku in their mind,
is going to be a guy that they could plug
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in and play those spots real quick.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I also wanted to mention as a part of conversation
with having with a lot of regarding Elijah Clark, this
often happens sometimes when you get a new coordinator in,
they have different schemes, and so you'll start to notice
that some guys that may have been a part of.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
The previous regime, uh, maybe they may not have.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Necessarily the particular skill set that the new coordinator would want.
What do you know, guys know about how let's say
Zimmer chooses to use safeties versus maybe how flu flus
uses safeties, and maybe if there are any differences that
we should be paying attention to as we're watching these
safeties during training.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Yeah, a lot of single high stuff with with Flus,
you know, and you know he you know, he comes
from that. Originally he was with the Rob Ryan administration
and then he's transitioned into the Rod Marinelli who would
play a lot of cover too. You know that that
we always talk about the Tampa two stuff. But you
see if but if you look at the metrics, he's
a single high guy, is what he is.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So he's talking about Flu.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Yeah, so he's he's he's at the at the at
the Bears, they were doing a lot more single high
stuff there, but you know it was it was like say,
with Zimmer, it was a lot of just you know,
a lot of that where he was playing that's a
single high stuff and then he was kind of adjusting
for what he had to do.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
So similar from the safe foot they're at similar.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
But more I think more even more with Flus. I
think more with Flu. Flus is a ton of zone
defense stuff, where Zimmer was more a lot man.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Zim wanted to do everything.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, Zim wanted to do everything.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
This is going to hyper focus on.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Exactly exactly and see I think guys too, like I
want to say this, I think that a guy like
Janier Thomas gets a fresh breath of air with a
new coaching staff. I remember talking to Mike Zimmer about
this last year in training camp and asking and asking
him about how he liked Donovan Wilson and Hooker and
all that he was. He was really really on board
with both players. But then we come to we have
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a change in the coaching staff, and now you see,
you know what happens. We get tender offers, we get
contract offers, you get Thomas signed, you get Bell signed.
That's telling me that Fluc and these guys have coming
in and making an influence that way, that they like
what they've seen with these two guys, and so now
they're gonna get more of an opportunity. This might not
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bode well for guy like Sam Williams, who is also
in that situation. He's trying to get healthy, but now
his sponsors are kind of out the door right here,
So you know, it's there's a lot going on here.
You know, when it comes to coaching staff, sometimes guys go,
I got a new chance, and the other guys go, damn,
my guy's gone.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Some guys can't get hurt like some guys do not
have the luxury to get hurt. Like there are some
veterans to where they feel like, if Okay, I leave
and I come back, I'll still be fine. There's a
lot of young safeties in this room or in that
safety room that are just waiting for an opportunity, and
I think if they get on the field, I think
it's going to be really hard for you to get
them off the field. There's a lot of guys in
their linebacker room that are fighting for their life, competing
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and competing, competing. So if you're like an old veteran
life back Clark, if the moon and Clark, you've been
in this team for a long.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Time, interception yesterday.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, and you got some guys that been drafted last year,
drafted this year, some.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Sign sign guys, two guys.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Some of y'all can't afford to miss a week here,
a week there. You gotta stay healthy.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Yeah, I think that's no veteran day off this year.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
That's easy for you to say.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Those veterans like I need a day off every once,
not this year, not this year.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
On the way, there's something I would like to see though,
the training cramp, training camp practices something like that. Training
camp practices, you know, I'm interested to see how those
are going to go. But I really do want to
see a preseason though more veteran players play. I would
like to see more of an how is this going
to work?
Speaker 7 (43:40):
How is this going to you have to I don't
see how you don't with what you got waiting for
you on week Once.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Didn't it made me see, Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
I just do.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I do think obviously this year they're starting on Thursday night,
opening the season against the defending champs. I do think
that that I will be interested to see if they
look at preseason now. Part of it might just be
the coach has a different philosophy, right, we got a
new coach, but I would I would love to see
how I want to see how they address that and
if they will and at least give him a few
reps veterans, because these last couple of years it's been
(44:14):
like literally they just don't play.
Speaker 6 (44:16):
I do not I do not have any any thoughts that, like,
you know, to me, I look at like I was
with Andy Reid and what he does in Kansas City,
and obviously they've had success, so they have pat Mahomes
and a lot of other things going for him there.
But there's some teams that do that absolutely take preseason
seriously in that way and get evaluations. And then there's
some teams like the Rams, that guy does not care
(44:36):
about what's going on in preseason. But I think, I
think Dallas me personally, this is being selfish. I want
to see this offensive line play together. I want to
see him have a little six. I want to see
if Miles Sanders really can. In the last couple of
times we've had media availability, Miles Sanders has come out
as a guy that's got some juice to his game.
I'd love to see him run the ball a little bit,
(44:57):
you know, and see if, in fact that we get
some some block and it's protection and and go that
route and kind of have a little positivity going into
that Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah, between all the new coaches and all the new players,
I almost think you have to in order to just
get them prepared for the upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
It's one thing.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
We have a veteran team that's pretty much stayed together
for a year, two years, three years, whatever the case
might be. But this team feels like there's so much
newness that I just feel like it might be necessary.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
I think some of the slow starts that they've had
offensively have been because they don't play preseason games.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's just me, all right.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
I appreciate you guys joining us. That's a wrap. We'll
be back next week.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
We'll wrap this thing up for this offseason and then
start getting you guys ready for training camp. Till then,
for Box Lombardi Brian brought us in Ambergarci. I'm Derek Eagleton.
This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot
Com Radio.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
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the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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