Cowboys Break: Soft B

Bryan Broaddus, Derek Eagleton, Nick Harris and Ambar Garcia discuss where the Cowboys could go at the backup quarterback spot behind Dak Prescott.

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It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Were with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and
Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 8 (00:37):
It is Wednesday, March twenty sixth, twenty twenty five, Season
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Welcome to the show. Glad to have everybody here. Got

(00:58):
a lot we're going to talk about today. We're going
to start a little position series today and talk about
each position from the standpoint of now seeing what the
Cowboys have done through most of free agency. As we know,
free agency continues really all the way through training camp
and beyond. But what they've done so far through in
free agency, where they stand the players they've lost and gained.

(01:19):
We'll talk about each position from the standpoint of where
they are and what they still need to do with
the draft, what they still may even need to do
in free agency to get themselves ready to be able
to play at their best level coming into the season. Today,
we're going to focus on two positions, quarterback and safety.
Before we do that, though, I wanted to start first

(01:40):
by just getting an overall view from each of you
on what you think of the Cowboys. If you had
to grade what they've done so far in free agency,
how would you grade their overall performance in free agency
as far as getting themselves ready to be able to
do the things they need to do in the draft
to be ready for the season.

Speaker 9 (01:58):
I'll start with you, Nick, I'd give it.

Speaker 10 (02:00):
I'd give it a soft bee if I could soft
soft beat.

Speaker 9 (02:05):
Not a strong beat. Not I've never heard of soft
beat strong bee.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, you would that be a B minus? Is that
what you're saying?

Speaker 10 (02:12):
See, but it's not B minus and it's just a bee.
I'm going like, like if you were degraded on the scale,
like an eighty three, you know, like it's not a
B minus.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
But a.

Speaker 9 (02:22):
Soft beat, a soft beast to it.

Speaker 10 (02:24):
But uh yeah, I would say in that sense just
because they added depth, and we certainly saw last season
that they needed depth that a lot of positions whenever
injuries came about. Now you hope that injuries don't hit
that hard again in twenty twenty five, but you hope
to be a little bit more.

Speaker 9 (02:37):
Prepared if they do.

Speaker 10 (02:38):
And they did add an impact pass rusher and Dante Fowler.
He's a guy who has the upside to be a
starter for you next season and be a double digitsat guy.

Speaker 9 (02:47):
At the very least.

Speaker 10 (02:48):
He's a violent, rotational rusher that can bring you some
presents in the past rush game. So I liked the
addition of Joante Williams. I think he'd be a perfect
complementary back. If they do add they still need to
add a strong early down back, and if they're able
to pair one with Williams, then that's gonna look like
a pretty solid addition. But you look at guys like
Solomon Thomas, even Robert Jones, Jack Sanborn, Kenneth Murray. This

(03:11):
is all a reliable, experienced depth that this that this
team needs moving forward. That's why I'd give it a
soft B if the reason I don't give it an a.
There wasn't a strong splash, right, There wasn't a huge
impact player at receiver. I still believe that they have
a big problem at corner. Even adding Kyer Elam, I
think there's still a big problem there. You're you're gonna

(03:32):
have to do some things to figure that out. But
it's it's definitely been worse than years past.

Speaker 11 (03:36):
I'll tell you this. This is I'm gonna go in
a couple of different ways, sir. I'm gonna give an
a for this reason. On the going out and using
trades and free agency together.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know this is something.

Speaker 11 (03:48):
And now the draft will be the third third item
that will come into play here. There was a time
where this team was only draft depended and they went
out and maybe by design that they knew that they
couldn't replace all the debt. But the fact that they
went out and used the player personnel they talk about
twenty four to seven all the time around here. They traded,

(04:10):
they signed, and now they're about to draft. So I'm
going to give them an A for doing what they're
supposed to do. That way, I'm going to give them
a C for the players that they've got, and I
think there's some players that I think they've got some
players that are better than hole fillers. I think where
they're at at running back, and I like what Nick
saying about Williams at the running back situation. But I
think they've addressed the running back room and that area

(04:34):
by the coaches they've hired. I don't think they've helped themselves,
particularly with the players. Let's see if the third phase
of what I'm giving them an A four of that
draft brings them that running back. I like the coaches
and what they've done in the offseason as far as
getting those guys, but I feel like they really didn't
address that very well with the two players that they
brought in. We'll see if that's the case. I'd also

(04:55):
like to see him maybe have looked at a veteran receiver,
and I'm not just talking about Paris Campbell. I'm talking
about maybe if they had gone out got so maybe
the market didn't allow that a for execution and plan.
See right now for the players they've attained, so average
about it be softie.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
That's gonna be the title of the show.

Speaker 12 (05:16):
Amber Money is just to be playing bee with no
soft or hardness to it just to be okay, no.
But I think when you to me this season, and
I've said it before, it's it feels completely different than
years past as far as what they've used to do,
what they're used to doing this year. I mean previous years,

(05:39):
I feel like we would be sitting first week chilling
and we as in we in the media, like waiting
for news to come and signings to happen, and nothing
would happen. We would wait until that second wave, and
then that's when they would tend to start signing guys.
I think this year they started being a lot more
proactive and making moves. Now, when you start looking at
those moves and those plays, just like Brian said to me,

(06:02):
you start pulling some of it, and some of those names.
They they're a pretty solid guy with veteran experience that
you feel like, yes, they're gonna come in here and
bring some impact in one way or another. But some
of those other guys, you start looking at them and
taking a deeper dive into their history and recent history and.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Statistics, statistics, statistics, statistics, statistics. Yes, but you start looking
at that and you're like, okay, well, this is this
doesn't look very very impressive. But again, it's hard to
tell right now, Derek, because you still don't know what
this coaching staff is actually gonna do. You hope that

(06:41):
they have a different vision and something that's gonna be
a lot more effective this year. So I'm just giving
them the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 9 (06:50):
At least they made moves.

Speaker 12 (06:52):
External moves, and it wasn't just signing their own. It
was going out and making those bringing you guys in.
With that come the different background and with those signings
with internal signings, I think they did as best as
they could. One of the guys that I hate that
we lost was Jordan Lewis. But other than that, I
think they highly focused on the key players that I

(07:15):
think add the continuity to the team and also the
there guys that are going to continue to contribute and
also fight for a spot here. But overall, I think
they did a pretty solid job last year. I would
have given them a seat. This year, I think they've
moved up to a B.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
For me, I look at it and I think this
is a two year thing. What I mean by that
is I think last year they lost a lot of players.
They hemorrhaged players, but they didn't really replace a lot
of that, and I think this year, what what we're
seeing is they lost a few more this year, but
they just they really went out to get a solid
base of guys. These are not going to be your

(07:55):
guys who you're gonna next next year, we're going to
be on Sundays like, oh my god, this guy made
the great play. I don't think that's what these guys
necessarily are, other than maybe a Dante Fowler.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I think more of what we will see is these
will be.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
The guys that will be your mainstay, solid guys, some
of them in backup roles. Some of them may have
opportunities where they start due to injury, some may start
the beginning of the season. I think they will be
guys that will be good and they'll be solid, and
that's what they needed to replenish on this team because
they do have some stars on this team. Last year,
what we found is they just didn't have the depth
because they lost all of it. This offseason to me

(08:28):
is about re establishing that depth, getting those solid guys
that can just fill the holes and now the hope,
at least, I would guess, and I would think their
plan is that they will get some of those splash
guys in the draft. Whoever they select in round one,
in round two, maybe in round three, maybe you can
get guys that can come in and immediately make an
impact on your team and provide some of those splash

(08:51):
type moments that you're really gonna need in addition to
the players you already have. Who are those splash type
players or Cedde Lambs or Michael Parsons. I think that's
the way I look at this, and from that standpoint,
I would give them a B. I don't know about
a softbe, but I give them okay.

Speaker 11 (09:05):
I think this thing is going to come down to
how well these linebackers play. If you look at with
Samborn and then and then you also look with Murray,
you know that's gonna be really can you get the
same play or maybe even a little bit better play
than what you got from Eric Kendricks. There's so many
questions right now at linebacker with overshown. Leo Foul seems

(09:25):
to be if you ask anybody in the you know, hey,
give me your breakout player for twenty twenty five, everybody's
gonna mention Leo Foul.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
That's what they're gonna do.

Speaker 11 (09:34):
And I think that you know, if you saw some
flashes in last year, but he's he can't shoulder this
thing by himself. This this this free agency period though
that they went through. If if Samborne and Murray show
up and play well this this thing, they they did
a really, really nice job in that area.

Speaker 12 (09:52):
Well, I was just going to ask you, guys, what
do you think happened with Kendricks.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
I think it's a situation where Kendricks is just he's
bathed himself in that Zimmer scheme and they needed somebody
who could come in and you know, be a little
bit more's what's the word I'm looking for fit for
the Ibra flu scheme and Kenneth Murray is that Jack
Sanborn for sure? Is that Sanborn is probably the future
at that position. If you had had to imagine after

(10:18):
Kenneth Murray, that's the hope at least, and I certainly
think he has a talent to do that. I think
Eric Kendricks will land on his feet somewhere, but I
think it'll be probably in a scheme that's more fit
to what he's been used to over the course of
his career.

Speaker 8 (10:29):
Yeah, you know one of things to that point that
you were making, Brian, I think I look at this
team and they had a lot of I think they
have a lot of players who are relatively young who
are kind of question marks for them, Guys like Sam Williams,
Guys like Marshawn Kneeland, Leah File, you mentioned Mazzi, Kayln Carson.
I think what this offseason did is it allowed them
to be able to continue to develop those guys, but

(10:50):
not be beholden to them. Right, you don't get into
a situation where if you want Kaylen Carson to really
keep developing and you give him that opportunity, if he
doesn't perform, you're now not stuck. You have an elon
that you can maybe throw out there and say, he's
a more of a veteran guy that we can throw
out there. He has some experience. We can put him
out there and feel better about what he can do.
But it doesn't slow the progress of somebody like a

(11:12):
Kaylin Carson. Same things with Sam Williams, same thing with
Marshawn Nieland you have the question marks, you want to
give him the opportunity, but if they don't make it,
if they can't do it. You got a Dante Fowler.
So I just think that's what I love about this offseason.
They've given themselves the ability to let those young guys
continue to develop. If they don't, there are guys that
are that are steady guys that can put in there

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and they're not losing a ton.

Speaker 11 (11:34):
They might have upgraded at pass rusher with fall Over.
Maybe he Tank, you know, and we all love Tank
for what he's done, but let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Though.

Speaker 11 (11:43):
The run play, the instincts, those things were his calling card,
but at one time he was a double digit sack guy.
You just signed a double digit sack guy, is what
you did in free agency. So that should help you
going forward.

Speaker 10 (11:56):
Did they put maybe a little too much pressure on
having to hit on the first two days the draft though,
by by having you think right now, right now, yeah,
by not getting an impact starter at receiver, by not
getting a starter at corner, by you know, still leaving
some holes in depth at defensive tackle. I think you
can make a case that you could you need another
guy for depth at offensive tackle. I just wonder if

(12:18):
there's maybe a little too much pressure on having to
hit on those guys.

Speaker 11 (12:20):
I think that the You know, Nick, that you and
I have studied this scene pretty extensively. Now we're getting
down to the home stretch where they have where the
board looks like to me, it has depth as at
defensive tackle, and the board looks like it's got some
depth at wide receiver depending on what kind you want,
and running back as well, right and running back as well.
But that's that's what I'm saying. I I think that

(12:41):
they I think the players they grab in those first
three picks, I think, well, I think they'll all I
could say this was some certainty.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think they're all going to contribute in year one.

Speaker 11 (12:50):
You know, we've seen some in the past where the
last couple of drafts that necessarily hasn't been the case.
But I have a feeling with this group that they're
about to select that those the first three for sure
give me some hope that, man, hey, if if they
hit the right guys, uh, that all these guys are
capable of coming in and being starters for you. And
that's that's absolutely what they need.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
If it's in those three positions.

Speaker 10 (13:13):
Yeah, I just wear you head to the fifth round
and you still need a rotational defensive tackle or you
still need a running back.

Speaker 9 (13:19):
That's that's a that's a possibility.

Speaker 8 (13:21):
There's no way they get to the fifth round they
still haven't gotten a running back, is there?

Speaker 10 (13:24):
I would say, man, looking at look at how how
the board could fall.

Speaker 9 (13:28):
I mean, there's there's there's a possibility of that.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
I would take Mullens in from from U Michigan would
be the guy that I would look at that point
the starter. Yeah, okay, Well, I mean you've you've you've
kind of walked me through a plan of Mulling. Okay,
Mullings and then also though with Williams as a guy,
so I mean I've got a physical you know. I
mean Mullins isn't this elusive kind of runner, and but

(13:52):
he is a physical runner. He protects the football. I
mean he he is a converted linebacker. I'm telling me,
if you get down in the fifth round, you know,
Hunter from Auburn is another one. I mean that might
be a situation. I mean maybe you have him a
little higher. But I kind of feel like though that
I could maybe get a starter.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Is it perfect?

Speaker 11 (14:11):
No, I'd love for them to address that thing in
the first three rounds for sure, But if I had to,
I mean, there's some guys on that board. I think
that might slide through a little bit into the fifth
that I had fourth round grades on. That might be
an They give you an opportunity to get a starter
out of this thing.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
All right, let's pick our first break. We'll come back.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
We'll jump into our position evaluation. We're going to start
with the quarterback position. We got lots of questions on
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Second segment of the Break, live from the SWBC Mortgage
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blockchain dot Com. All right, let's talk about quarterbacks. I
have three statements I'm going to roll out for you guys.
They are true false statements. I want to hear whether
you think they are true or false. First, they are
all regarding Dak Prescott. First, he's still the same quarterback
he was in twenty twenty three when he was the

(17:46):
runner up League MVP in voting true or false?

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Uh false false.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
He's coming off a hamstring injury. That's tough, and it's
going to affect his mobility moving forward. You know, how
does that mobility manifest in his game. That's going to
be the question he has to he has to answer
early on. In my opinion, I think that's what makes
it differ different from twenty twenty three. They were able
to maximize his movement in a way where it didn't
put him at risk, but yet it was still able
to be an impact and offensively.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
For the Cowboys.

Speaker 10 (18:14):
So he's going to have to figure out how to
you know, manage that now that he's had another leg
injury quote unquote, So I would say different.

Speaker 9 (18:22):
He's going to have to manage that for sure. That's
the big thing that pops out.

Speaker 11 (18:24):
To It makes me nervouses. Even when healthy, that wasn't
a very good offense, you know, early on. I mean,
and then you know, the defense wasn't great either. As
a team, they weren't great. They got blown out in
a lot of games, and you know, you Nick's talking
about the health of the quarterback. Now we're starting to
see the age, a little bit of the wear and tear.
You know, they're going to have to really adjust the offense.

(18:45):
I think one of the reasons why Brian Schottenheimer got
this job is because they don't want to run Dak
Prescott to another different offense. I don't think they want
to run him to another scheme, and I think Brian
Schottenheimer probably convinced the front office that I could tailor
a scheme that could fit his skill set. But he's
not the same player that he was saved three or
four years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (19:05):
During that time, I think the Cowoys were able to
find a lot of advantage of using his legs and
mobility and being able to utilize him in the red
zone and be able to have him escape and get
in there and help score points for the offense. Now,
I think that part of the game has been completely
taken away. You go back to last year, they were
not doing that with him, and then when it finally happened,

(19:28):
it just so happened coincidentally that he gets hurt. So
I think that now that that prompted that injury, even
though when you listen to what he said during that time,
he wouldn't blame the injury into the fact that he
had to run. I think it's gonna it's gonna be
something that they will try to avoid the most as possible.

(19:52):
And that's where you now are looking to rely more
on a running back that is effective and that you
can bring back that running game, and that way you
can avoid having to utilize your quarterback as a runner.
So I think that now that that element of his
game has been taken away. Not that he was a
quarterback that ran all the time, but in key plays

(20:12):
and key moments, it was very effective for the for
the offense. So I think that, no, that's staying in.
I would say it's.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
False, all right, statement to any decline and Dak's performance
in twenty twenty three was more related to the offense,
particularly coaching and the players around him, the offensive line
and the wide receivers.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
We'll talk about twenty three or twenty four, twenty four, Sorry,
twenty four, I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
Can you run that back on?

Speaker 18 (20:33):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (20:33):
Please?

Speaker 8 (20:34):
Any decline and Dak's performance in twenty twenty four was
more related to the offense and coaching and to the
players around him, the offensive line and the receivers.

Speaker 9 (20:43):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of validity in that.
I'll say true.

Speaker 10 (20:46):
The offensive line was was a lot, especially when he
was especially when he was starting before the Atlanta game
when he got hurt. Personnel around him was and we
talked about it on the show many times. The personnel
around him did not help him, and the offseason last
year did not help him to succeed. I mean, losing
Tyron Smith is a big deal. Throwing a rookie over there,
and a rookie that was battling injury from the start

(21:07):
of camp, it's it's it was. It was gonna be
something that that hurt the offense, and it hurt Dak
Prescott and eventually physically hurt Dak Prescott.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
So I would say, yeah, that's that's true.

Speaker 11 (21:18):
Everybody had a hand in this. One front office had
a hand in this. Misevaluated the running back situation. They
also misevaluated the second wide receiver on this football team.
They believed in Jalen Tolbert, and he did not live
up to what he the expectations that they had.

Speaker 9 (21:32):
Also, Brandon Cook's getting hurt, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know, I think so too. I mean, it's just
but you know, like I say.

Speaker 11 (21:37):
The offensive line, the right guard wasn't very good, the
right tackle wasn't very good.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
You had problems. You know, he had a.

Speaker 11 (21:42):
Rookie at left tackle, you had a rookie at center.
I mean, I think the left tackle was more of
a problem than the center. So yeah, I think everybody,
the front office, the coaches, the scheme, A lot of
things did not play out very well, and all those
things ultimately affected Dak Prescott.

Speaker 12 (21:59):
Yeah, I would say as well. I think looking at
Dak's career overall, I would say everything around him had
to be working for him in order for him to
be successful. If you look at the beginning of his
career till twenty twenty three, that was the first year
I feel like, in my opinion that we were actually
able to see a Dak Prescott take things on his

(22:20):
own in certain games where he put the games on
his back and he was making those plays for the
offense and saving them in that way. And then all
of a sudden, twenty twenty four happens, you see the
struggles that the offense was having. Overall, I would say, yes,
every coaching I was not a fan of the play
caller and the way that McCarthy was handling some of

(22:41):
the situations happening on the field, and then the players.
You look at certain plays where it was not on Dak.
A lot of plays were on Dak, but then there's
a lot of that were not on him, and it
was execution for other players, and you talk about the
protection they're not being there in Dak having to kind
of continuously having to deal with the pressure. So yeah,

(23:02):
I think everyone had a hand in that one, all right.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
Third statement, with the changes to coaching, projected changes to
the offensive scheme, and with new personnel, Dak will be
closer to the twenty twenty three production and version of
himself than he was twenty twenty four.

Speaker 10 (23:18):
Are reassuming he's healthy, I assume in the sense, Yeah,
that's a good point.

Speaker 9 (23:23):
Yeah's you. I'm going to go false.

Speaker 10 (23:28):
I'm going to go false because the personnel still is
a question for me. You know, they still need a
starting running back, they still need reliability at that left tackle.
I'm not saying that they need to go out and
get a left tackle, but they need to prove that
Tyler Geiden is ready to take on that challenge right guard.

Speaker 9 (23:43):
What's going to go on there?

Speaker 10 (23:45):
Brock Kaufman I have confidence in, and I'm going to
stand on the table for brock Hoffman all the way
through training camp unless he gives me a reason not to.
I think he will be the starter at that spot
and he will be good, but he needs to prove
it as well, So there's a lot of questions on
the offensive side of the ball, and Dak needs Dak.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
Needs people around him, that is the fact.

Speaker 10 (24:01):
And when he does have people around him, he returns
to that twenty twenty three production and he is competing
for an MVP and he does have this team competing
for a number one seed in the NFC, but without
people around him.

Speaker 9 (24:12):
You see what happened in the first eight weeks of
the season last year.

Speaker 11 (24:14):
I'd love to I'm encouraged by the fact that he's
got a new play caller. I think he's going to
have a new wide receiver out there with Cede Lamb,
and I think he saw some things with Turpin, so
maybe they're eleven personnel. Stuff will be better. I think
need Jake Ferguson to play a lot better than he
did last year. I think that would really help Nix
absolutely right, though they do not have a running back situation.
I'm with him about liking Williams, but in a certain role.

(24:36):
You go out and get this guy a wide receiver
that could play opposite Lamb, that could also play with
Turpin and help with Ferguson, and then you get him
a legitimate running back. I think the offensive line stuff
will take care of itself. I'm encouraged by the two
coaches that are here, so I think he can play
at that level at twenty twenty three. But it's going
to be a lot of things around him have to improve.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
We said it, the.

Speaker 11 (24:58):
Tackle spot, the guard spot, the receiver spot, the tied
end spot, and the running spot. Is that too much
to put on Dak Prescott? You know, he's now the
guy that you know buy if you look at pay
if you watch his pockets.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
He is the highest paid guy.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
And there's gonna be people to say, well, he needs
to go out there and play like that. So depending
on if you're that kind of person not, but he
is going to need everything that I talked about to
kind of to show up for him to have the
season he had in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 12 (25:25):
Yeah, right now, I would say false as well, but
that doesn't mean that he can't be true.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
There's just so much ann well, it's a soft true.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's a soft true or false. True or false.

Speaker 12 (25:43):
I say, you know, you can't easily change my mind
if you start showing it to me. But right now
I believe it until I see it. There's a lot
false yes right now, false with a sense of hope
for a truth. You know, sports is fluid, Yeah, so
you know strange lady Brian, you never have But no,

(26:08):
there's just so much change that you don't really know
what it's actually going to happen. I will say this
right now, this coaching change feels very different, like the
changing energy. You feel a sense of freshness and newness.
I don't even know if that's a word, but there
you go. A shot in Heimer. If you're around him,

(26:30):
you just feel the energy and the desire to be
here and really put in the work. I think he's
doing just that, and I think when you do something
like that, it's very contagious and it carries over to
the team. So I feel that based on what we've
heard so far in the off season and the way
that Dak Prescott has expressed himself in regards to Shotenheimer,

(26:53):
I think he will put not that he's not ever,
He's always done that, He's always tried to do his best.
But I think when you have that kind of relationship,
you somehow just strive even harder. You're there for each other,
you work hard, you stay later you put in those
extra hours to get what you need to do, and
I think the communication there is going to be a

(27:14):
lot more effective, and therefore, I would imagine it just
brings a sense of improvement as far as Dak's game.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
Ye, all right, what should Dallas do to replenish the
depth on the quarterback position after losing Cooper Rush to
the Ravens and with Trey Lance still a free agent?

Speaker 3 (27:29):
What does Dallas need to do?

Speaker 10 (27:31):
They're gonna have to go get a guy in the
draft that they feel confident can be that guy if
Dad goes down for a couple of games. I mean,
we talked about it a bit on the Draft show yesterday.
Is like, Okay, yeah, you gotta go get starters at
these positions. He's really important. So that's and Zach Walshik
made a great point. He did, and he was like,
I need to go get starters at this point. I'm
not necessarily worried about quarterback, but the sense of it is.

(27:52):
And the thing I brought up is like, what if
you start ten to three and Dad goes down and
you don't have you have a fifth round quarterback that
you have to rely upon. Granted he would have thirteen
weeks of season, and you would hope, but you know,
what does that situation look like? And then do you
look back on the draft and be like, man, I
wish I took one earlier. For me, if this team
acquires another pick on Day two, that pick should be

(28:14):
used to go get a quarterback.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
Nick, tell me the places that Brian Schottenheimer's visiting.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Tell me the schools he's going to.

Speaker 9 (28:21):
Yeah, so he's at Ohio State today.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Okay, that's Will Howard's there.

Speaker 9 (28:25):
Yeah, he'll be at Texas A and M tomorrow. There's
no quarterback, no quarterback there.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Friday he'll be at been one there a long time.

Speaker 10 (28:31):
Say it again, Friday, Will He'll be at Ole Miss
Jackson Dart won't be available.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Jackson Dart won't be available there.

Speaker 11 (28:38):
But yeah, those would be the see I thought that
there would be a thing the coaches and stuff that
have gone to like to Oregon, in places like that.
I think that Dallas is hunting. The one thing that
Cowboys have shown me over the years. And even it
goes back when I was in the personnel department here.
We were always hunting for a quarterback, not always successful,
didn't have the right mentality to do this. You know,

(29:00):
didn't have the right focus to do this, but they do.
They need to go get a legitimate guy. I think
Nick's right about taking the extra pick, but you also
need to to go and look at you know, he's
gonna have his eyes on Will Howard. Is Will Howard
a third fourth round guy. You look at him and
when he was at Kansas State and then you know
what he's done at Ohio State. Tremendous player there, quinn
Ewers at Texas. I mean where where do you see

(29:22):
quinn Ewrs? Dylan Gabriel from Oregon. These are all guys.
I mean, Dylan Gabriel is a five to eleven guy
that doesn't really have a lot of power to his game.
But you know, you're starting to and I and I
haven't mentioned like guys like Shuck and others that you know,
there's there's going to be some guys that they need
to absolutely consider here. I just don't I can say

(29:42):
that they they gave a fourth round pick for Trey Lance.
You know, they're always trying to hunt a corp. Back
go back to to Connor Cook, go back to UH
to UH to the guy from from Memphis. There that
that they I'm always forget this kid's name, but uh,
Peyton anyway, don't worry about it. But you know, but

(30:05):
Paxton Lynch, sorry, Pax Lynch, I knew I was gonna
get I was thinking of Peyton something, Paxton Lynch. They're
always been trying to hunt quarterbacks here, so this to
me is no different than any of their times. They've
proven that they want to use resources to try and
find that guy.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Okay, so I'm gonna get a little crazy here.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Give me a name of a player at quarterback that
would drop in the first or the second rounds that
would make you say I would pull the trigger that
early on a quarterback for this team.

Speaker 9 (30:33):
If Jackson dar Sarre at forty four.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Huh yeah, sign me up. Let's go.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
Is there anyone that would make you I'm assuming this
wouldn't happen, but if either one of those quarterbacks dropped
to you in the first round, would you would you
pull the trigger in the first round?

Speaker 10 (30:48):
No? I would not, not, not with four years left
on Dak Steel, like if his deal was structured in
a different way where he maybe had two or three
years and yeah, but like you would be you would
be aligning that rookie contract with.

Speaker 11 (31:01):
That's why I think like a Will Howard or something
like that, even Milrow.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
So really, third fourth is the earliest, you guys.

Speaker 11 (31:08):
Yeah, yes, you know, and it's it's it's fascinating to
look back and you know, I've even done this in
my head. If Dak had not signed here, what quarterback
would I want at twelve? That's the game I play
with myself and when I'm trying to kind of.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Feel like, who would I really have?

Speaker 11 (31:25):
Would I rather have Sanders or would I rather have
Dart Because I don't feel like I'm going to have a.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Shot at Ward.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
Yeah, and I might not have a shot at Sanders either,
but I won In my mind, I'm like, Okay, if
I had the pick at twelve, That's how I'm trying
to line these guys up, who would I take?

Speaker 10 (31:41):
Since since they took Troy Aikman with the first pick
in nineteen eighty nine, they have only drafted one quarterback
before the fourth round.

Speaker 9 (31:49):
It is Quincy Carter.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Quincy Carter.

Speaker 9 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, and so it's uh, and.

Speaker 10 (31:52):
You look at the quarterbacks overall that they have drafted
since O one, you go, Quincy Carter technically they're a
counting Isaiah standback here, but he was a receiver. Stephen
McGee and O nine in the fourth round, Dak in
the fourth round in twenty sixteen, Mike White in the
fifth round in twenty eighteen, and then Danucci in the
seventh round in twenty twenty.

Speaker 9 (32:08):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
So you know it's yes, they have devoted resources into finding,
you know, some of those those backup quarterback type roles,
but it's not it's not a Green Bay where they
go and get a quarterback every year, or they tried to.
I think in this draft you're gonna have some guys
there on Day three available to you. But I also
would not necessarily force it. The reason I say that
is because veterans available. Do any of these names entice you?

(32:32):
Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, Teddy Bridgewater, Drew Locke, those would
probably be the best names I could throw out as
far as realistic.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well, they like Will Greer, you know, I mean obviously
Will Greer.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I that's a good yeah. I didn't even think about
it me personally.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I you know, Will Greer could come in and probably
be fine.

Speaker 8 (32:51):
I mean they may feel like he is he's Cooper Rush,
their next Cooper.

Speaker 11 (32:54):
I don't Nick, do you think they got blindsided by
Cooper Rush signing somewhere else or are they think so?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Were they okay with that? I don't think. I think
the same thing. I think they're okay. They were like, listen,
let's just kind of move on from that.

Speaker 10 (33:06):
They had already said that they were devoting resources into
finding how to get younger at that position behind Dax,
so I think that they were fully expecting that. And
you talk about Will Greer, He's gonna be thirty next year,
so it's it's he's not necessarily the quote unquote younger option.

Speaker 9 (33:19):
Hey watch it, watch it.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
Older for football. But uh yeah, in general, they need
to go get a the d.

Speaker 9 (33:27):
To go get you know, well, your question was horrible, Derek.

Speaker 12 (33:30):
The question you post with drafting a quarterback in the
first three rounds terrible question. Why it's nonsense, It's not
going to happen.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
See what No, here, here's what I here was the
point of the question.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
The point of the question is it's a good question.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
One of the questions like do you really what what
would make you?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Where are you with quarterback? Are you so starved?

Speaker 8 (33:53):
For quarterback to where you're like, hey, if this guy
gets to me, yeah, I don't care that I can't
use him this year, maybe even next year, I say,
pulled the trigger.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
That's what I'm trying to get to that level. And
what's that name?

Speaker 12 (34:06):
Looking into their perspective, like, I just feel like that
just would not happen whatsoever, not after the contract you
just gave Dash.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
See, you should never you should never go into this
thinking about building your football team because you gave a.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Massive contract to somebody.

Speaker 11 (34:22):
Why never do that. It's about building your team. It's
about it's about having options. You don't know what's going
to happen in week five or week seven or week ten.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You don't know.

Speaker 11 (34:33):
You've got to find a way to protect yourself. And
the whole idea is to go out and get the
most talented players you know, regardless of the position. That's
what always talk about. One of the things that Dallas
is really good at is when it's best available player,
they go out and they get.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
And it seems to work for them.

Speaker 11 (34:49):
So to me, if you're if you're looking at this
and saying I'm not going to sign a guy to Okay,
if they go into this draft and thinking that they've
got they've got their big receiver in Mingo and don't
take an other receiver early in this thing. Is that
do we feel good about that? We should feel the
same way about a quarterback. You should feel the same
any position, any position on your football team.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Don't let don't.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Let contracts and stuff keep you from getting the best football.

Speaker 12 (35:18):
But that's your scout mind speaking. But when you start
looking at it, I like all these numbers and contracts
and like that.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I don't care.

Speaker 11 (35:27):
I lost my quarterback in week what eight? Yeah, and
my season was done. I mean Cooper Rush came in
and was serviceable. You know, give me a chance to
win games, give me a chance to be different. I mean,
give me a chance to where I don't feel like
that my team is going to completely fall apart.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
And let's also throw this out there too, every one
of you guys in that first question that I ask
about Dak Prescott, true, a false? You all sit false
because of the injury. Yeah, if there are concerns about
his health, and if there are concerns about what that
means for this season and going beyond that, then you.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Better have a backup quarterback.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
And so if the question just becomes how much do
you want to invest in that backup quarterback? Do you
want to invest a lot in that backup quarterback knowing
that at some point he will take over that role
and maybe it happens before you get to the end
of that contract. Or do you want to just say, hey,
give me a Will Greer and I'll be okay. Like
That's what I'm trying to figure out is where that
level of concern is with regards to the health of

(36:29):
your starting quarterback, and that will dictate how much you're
willing to invest right now.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
In a quarterback.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
But it's also when you looked at all the other
needs that you still have in other position.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
You're not all fair. You're not all fair. You're gonna
get you're gonna be able to fill needs. You cannot
fill every need this football team has in the draft.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You can't.

Speaker 9 (36:45):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 11 (36:46):
Never happen, you absolutely can't. And so the sit there
and say, oh, well, we're using a premium pick. You're
not gonna we have twenty holes. Yeah, you have holes
because you're you weren't very good and you lost and
you did your best.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
That's why I gave him a an a on the execution.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
Of trying to use drafting or use excuse me, signings
and trades to their advantage. So that's that's They're doing
what they need to do, but they're not gonna be
able to fill all the needs that they have in
this team. And Derek, I think you even said somebody
said it was a two year thing, two year project.
You know, it's still they still have a long way

(37:23):
to go. But I don't think the draft is going
to completely fill everything that they need.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
I have a solution, guys.

Speaker 10 (37:28):
It's a guy who I think would work in this scheme.
He's athletic, he can work out, he's a winner, and
he's on the open market right now. Sam Ellinger, just
go get them crickets.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I like Sam.

Speaker 18 (37:41):
I like Sam.

Speaker 10 (37:43):
I was just trying to throw it.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
But.

Speaker 11 (37:46):
No, they get Vince Young. I like, if you're gonna
play with what are we doing? That would take Vince Young?
Maybe samok them?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
But I can I do that?

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Speaker 11 (40:59):
Why are you losing it over the Brian when you
had these players right I'm just disappointed right now with you,
some of these grades you got on these guys.

Speaker 9 (41:10):
We'll see, We'll.

Speaker 12 (41:10):
See closer to being more right. Last year we.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Had we had our missus right.

Speaker 9 (41:19):
I felt pretty good about my board last year. That's
all I was say.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
You ran pretty close.

Speaker 9 (41:23):
I ran pretty good. And the old guy I like,
really missed on his bone X.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That was And what way you missed?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I was a lot hotter than you thought.

Speaker 9 (41:30):
Yeah, he was a lot better than I thought he'd be.

Speaker 10 (41:32):
Yeah, but I can't really think of a huge Malachai
Corley was a miss for me last year.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
If you do this long enough, you'll have a few
of them.

Speaker 10 (41:39):
Yeah, but it was beginner's luck last year. I had
a great I had a great year last year.

Speaker 9 (41:44):
But you know, we gotta keep it.

Speaker 12 (41:46):
Don't hurt your back.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Yees, sophomore slump, got sophomore slump, softmore slump. It happens, we.

Speaker 8 (41:51):
Won't have time to get to safety. We'll do that
on our next show. But real quick, I did want
you to talk about one particular safety. Uh Macouba out
of Texas, give me a got a report on him.

Speaker 10 (42:01):
Yeah, so a native of Zimbabwe, he moved to the
United States when he was nine years old. Got to
know this kid pretty well during his recruitment out of
Austin LBJ High School, a talented young player who chose
Clemson over Texas in the sense that it was around
the Tom Harmon era Clemson. He felt better about development
at that time in the Dabo Sweety defense and he
certainly got it. Played four years or played three years

(42:22):
in that Clemson defense and was a key piece for
them in that secondary battle injury, I believe in his
second season, but made his way back from that and
was really productive and transferred to Texas and got better.
And the defensive back development at Texas last.

Speaker 9 (42:38):
Year was was awesome.

Speaker 10 (42:39):
And if you don't believe me, look at where all
those coaches are getting hired now.

Speaker 9 (42:43):
It was really strong.

Speaker 10 (42:44):
And you talk about John Ay Barron being in at
the corner spot. They had a guy Hmed Michael Taff
who I think we're probably gonna talk about next year
on Day Elite. Muhammad is another guy that's going to
get drafted high when his time comes around. Really strong
secondary in Macouba kind of was help helping to dictate
what happened in that secondary and mccooba came in as
the new guy, but he grew up playing with John A.

Speaker 9 (43:05):
Barron.

Speaker 10 (43:05):
He grew up playing with Michael taff I mean, these
guys have a ton of experience together. You saw that
experience hit the field immediately. Now, what does what does
mccouba bring to you. He's a guy that has space
on that back end. He's a guy that is quickly
rising in this draft process. I think when and maybe
I do need to do a second evaluation, Brian, in
the sense that I gave mccouba the evel right after
the Cotton Bowl. Yeah, and I put a third round

(43:27):
great on him. But it would not surprise me if
this guy ends up getting taken in the second round.
This surprises me that the Cowboys are taking him in
for a thirty visit because they still have Mollie Cooker
and Donovan Wilson locked up. They just re signed Janie
Thomas and Marquise Bell to the depth of that position.
Let's just say theoretically, like, hey, mccooba's available to you
at you're not taking him at forty four. So if

(43:48):
he's available to you at seventy six, where does he
fit in that that that?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I don't think. I don't think they're married to Hooker
and Wilson.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I was about to say I don't know. There's nothing
that tells me there.

Speaker 11 (43:58):
Maybe you'll tell me contracts there's something that you can't
get out of and all that. But I'll say this
about mccuba. I mean, when you watch him play, and
I'll do this quickly, this is one of the best
safeties in the country. When you when when quarterbacks went
after him. You look at the metrics and stuff about
this guy. He was the quarterback rating the fourth best

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in the country defending these quarterbacks and these receivers and
stuff as a safety, and like twenty six percent of
his targets were incompletions.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (44:27):
I mean, this kid is got, he's got the way
he's the way he handles himself and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I mean he.

Speaker 11 (44:34):
Could he could really cover some ground as a safety,
and I think did. If you're the Cowboys, Yeah there's
a guy. Boy, we got a guy who played with
some range, guy that could trigger quick, guy that plays
on the ball, guy that can cover, guy that can tackle.
Yeah there's you could. Andrew mccuba is a guy you
absolutely need to study.

Speaker 10 (44:52):
It's the one concern I did have was tackling. I
feel like his play strength probably could improve, especially at
the next level. But you talk about his boss being
that range everything six in or.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Siven he is built like a Cornery six foot six.

Speaker 9 (45:05):
Is maybe that the thought process?

Speaker 11 (45:06):
Yeah, you know what we saw what that guy Detroit does.
You know, we saw what Brian Branch does. We saw
the ability to play safety, playing coverage, play down play,
you know. I mean, there's there's This is a really
twitchy kind of a player. I really like the change,
the direction, the burst and things like that.

Speaker 8 (45:24):
This is one of those instances where I think sometimes
you get into the offseason and people start breaking guys
down and looking at their size and the measurables, and
I could tell you, say, somebody that watched every single
game at Texas that this guy played, he is a
player like he's one of those guys that just was
around the ball all the time, always making plays and
and those kind of guys like it's just that's just something.

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There's something to that in the game of football. Knowing
where to be, knowing how to get there, knowing how
to make the play when you get there. I think
that's one of the things I love about this this guy,
and I think whoever gets him is going to look back,
and it's gonna be a lot of team's gonna be like, dang,
we should have picked him, because I think he's that
kind of player.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
Nick, I think the media scouts, when part the media
scouts are behind on this guy.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I think the media scouts, I think that. I think
the NFL.

Speaker 11 (46:07):
Teams, No, no, come about, we're all we're media scouts.
But I'm saying I think a lot of guys and
gals were behind on this guy.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
They're they're all learning he's a really good football.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Good player.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
All right, appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be back
next week. We'll continue our player evaluation. We'll get in safety,
couple other positions. Uh, we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Then.

Speaker 9 (46:24):
For Nick Harris, we're getting.

Speaker 14 (46:26):
Through the whole run training camp, but we're gonna get there.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
And Ambergari and Derek Eavenson.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 1 (46:35):
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