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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys. Are you ready for a Break?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yes?

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Absolutely ready for a break?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, and so much for that.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
It's Wednesday, November twenty six, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,
Episode number eighty five.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome to show, everybody, We're good. Oh you left me
hey man taking Oh you bumped on? Yeah, this table don't.
Oh it's the worst, but the chairs don't need the worst.
You know that look that look on your face Brian
is yeah, I felt that. I felt that before, and
we ain't got insurance through these people, so you don't
you have not that? Yeah, maybe go see one of

(01:16):
the trainers or something. Careful. All right, Uh, we got
a lot the way to get into today.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Weird things you have in your pocket today? What weird
things that you have in your pockets today?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's an interesting show topic. What thermomometer?

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:32):
Tonight I was literally about security, like, come get this man,
don't check my bag.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
I got you some cooking today.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, yeah, I forgot.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
I forgot I put it in my pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
How do you forget that huge but ship?

Speaker 6 (01:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm sixty one years old. I'm sorry, I forget things.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Wow, my apologies.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
All right, Well, you could have been in your pockets.
It could have been something. I don't blame you for
kring to ring.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Because I just was cooking, was already this morning that
in your pocket?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Bro, I'm sorry?

Speaker 6 (02:03):
All right? Back to it, all right, Let's let's.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Get caught up on a couple injury updates. Tyler Guiden,
Kayln Carson Guidon miss practice did not practice yesterday. Kayln
Carson moved from he was an active participant on Monday
to now limited participant yesterday with a hamstring.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
What are we thinking?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I know the Guiden one is not gonna work out
for you. We need to see what happens with Carson.
Uh and I also learned that George Pickens has banged
up as he is, is gonna play, so he should
be okay to go.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
He did say it was a contusion and kind of
sounds like that.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
It sounded like to me that it was.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, he was kind of struggling with through some things,
but yeah, he should be good to go. So that,
but the Carson one is the one they're gonna have.
They're worried about a little bit right.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Now, how much how much concern should be given from
the standpoint of if he can't play, who else plays?
Who's gonna be the right fit? Like they got some
they got some receivers out there, they gotta that. That
presents some interesting problems as we talked about yesterday.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
You didn't figure that one out.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
I mean, so he dehydrated, right, So that goes That
goes further than just IV's and water and pickles and something.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
You mean for this injury, It says a hand, hamst hamstring.
He left the game due to dehydration.

Speaker 7 (03:10):
Oh see, see, I don't have a golden phone, so
I guess I guess weezy, Well, I guess you.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Can probably it's gonna be Yeah, that would be.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
Already because Ready, to be fair, Ready hadn't hadn't played terribly.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You just you just keep getting new corners back.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
So I guess, uh, in that situation, you would just
keep playing outside with Revel and just play Ready in
the nickel.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, let me ask you this.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
They we still haven't really talked about this going into
the game last week. We find out heading into that
weekend that they released Kyrie Elam. Was that the right
move or just from the standpoint of I've always heard
coaches say you can never have too many healthy cornerbacks
because the moment you think you do, you'll have injuries.
Is it just a better thing to keep him on
the roster just because he's a healthy body and he's

(03:53):
not a horrible corner I don't think what are your
thoughts about that that move?

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Man de Eason, A lot of the reason why you
was the thirty fourth worst defense in the league had.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
A lot to do with him. And it's a couple
more names, and it's a couple of names.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
The Birmingham Stallions and who else in the thirty thirty
fourth defense pick.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
The best college defense in the league right in college football. Yeah,
pick Ohio State. Ohio State probably had a better defense
than you did. We five and a lot of it
was on you know, I think the Cowboys are gonna
if they need a corner, I think they'll go more
of the route of well, let's see what Zion Children has.
I think the Eling thing was a cool attempt by

(04:33):
you know, Jerry and company.

Speaker 8 (04:35):
Just think, like processing the comment you made just now,
I'm like.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
Boy, it three people on three people. It sounds crazy
for the three people, two of them, two of them working.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Still, I can say, you can say what your opinion.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
So in my opinion, Kenner Murray was real bad. Sam
Williams was real bad, and Kyrie Eling was real bad.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
And that said all levels.

Speaker 7 (05:03):
So and you didn't really have a super dynamic player
to kind of cover up some of that nonsense, right, Like,
if you had a ridiculously good safety, maybe you can
hide some corner stuff. If your d line is fantastic,
maybe your line back and Kenmurry playing a little better. Now, yeah,
it'd be because you got your ridiculous in your tackle
room now, right, and you know some of the same,

(05:23):
you know, some of the same.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Saying less place too, guy kind of split in time
with you. Yeah, less opportunities to mess up.

Speaker 7 (05:29):
Sure, and all these guys are talented there to your point,
you know you can never have you know, you know,
too many talented guys, right, But it's about fit though,
like like fit, fit matters here more than anything. Sam
is incredibly talented. Sam don't always see it, you.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Ken Murry can run well, he don't always you know, whatever. Whatever.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
But as far as Elon goes, I think the Cowboys
just want to move in a different direction. I don't know,
I ain't talking nobody, but I think they'll go with
some of the young the younger guys that they have.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Then.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah, I was surprised.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
I kind of thought it was Bridges that was going
to be the guy, you know, just kind of visits
with folks in the organization. This might be one of
those what you got about?

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Do you think because he's a you know, he's a
rookie and he theoretically got more time that maybe they
can sort of fix Bridges where I think.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
I think there was some I think when they when
they they traded for him or actually they claimed him,
it's what they did. They claimed him. I think that
there were some people on the coaching staff that were
excited about having the opportunity to coach him. So to me,
that's kind of where all this is. I think with
the elamit's a veteran guy, uh, and you just kind
of just move on, Like you said, you got some

(06:32):
younger guys. He's not an old guy by any means,
But I think that I think that when it came
down to it, you start to look at guys potentially
that could be future players here.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
I don't think they saw him as that.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
Yeah, they they they're probably going to treat the young
guys like their draft picks, like like they loved it
young guys, and they would rather get rid of a
veteran with not a lot of contract time than a
young guy.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
So that's probably all right. So I got a big
question for you guys.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I remember back in the day when Bill Parcells was here,
he would always say, by Thanksgiving, you kind of know
who you are. Yeah, who is this team? Rat Thanksgiving?
Tomorrow's Thanksgiving Day? Who is this team?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
We still don't know.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
I'm gonna tell you why why he said that, Because
he was working in this organization and typically we don't
make moves in the middle of the season, you know
what I'm saying. So, yeah, if you got the same
damn team you had in September, yeah, you kind of
should know who you are. But Derek Eagleton Brown Brothers by,
I see you, boy. It has been some change. Yeah,
it has been some change since the rapport shouts out

(07:31):
of him.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I saw that tweet. Yeah, yeah, he had one
of his partners that do numbers over there at wherever.
They got a few of them.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
Statisticians or whatever, and statistics whatever, and they and and
and they're basically grading it from bye week to now
versus the first.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, first eleven weeks or whatever. It's night and day.
It's night and day.

Speaker 7 (07:49):
And me and Brian was just talking about I'm befuddled sometimes,
you know, I, you know, call my YouTube friends, you
will call nickg even something I'll call will Still Futzs
the King, Like, man, can y'all believe Quinn Williams on
this team?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's hard to believe.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
And then Kenny Clark is on this team and you
just watching the film, you go, man, we are so
much more disruptive than I that I've ever seen right,
So we don't know who we are. We just got
to keep on playing games. Now, you learn, you learn
something different every week. There's less than every bar. You
learn something versus the Raiders, you learn something versus Philly.
If you go out there and play a good a

(08:23):
good defensive game versus Kansas City, Ambar gonna hate me
because I'm gonna be a Homer all over again because
I'm gonna think that you're a super Bowl able team.
I'm not saying that, not that you in it, that
you're in the racing, that you're in none of that,
because you got a lot to prove. But we always
said you just need your defense to be a little competitive,
because your defense was horrible and you were still winning
or losing games by one possession. According to it to

(08:46):
Ian Rapport and his people, if you top ten anywhere
twelve fifteen, we're going to party.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Is y'all crazy?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Ambo, I mean for me, a please you talk.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
I agree with you. Don't know what this team is
just yet. We've seen two games and now we're about
to see the third one tomorrow, and that will tell
us a lot. My thing is that although I really
like the position where they're at right now, as far
as how they're looking, as far as the new motivation,

(09:20):
the new expectations, the things that get you excited for
because you see and you believe of what they can do.
It always feels like, and again, we don't know what's
gonna happen in the future. But I just sit here
and while you were talking Vouch, I'm just thinking, man
should have I mean, that's always it sure would have

(09:43):
been nice if those moves had occur, maybe like a
few weeks prior to the deadline, and you're sitting here
at a different position, because it's always like we're just
staying above water, you know, like breathing just above water,
and it always like you're always hanging on there and

(10:05):
seeing what can happen, and you're always back in that position.
You knew that you weren't gonna sign Micah Parsons at
the end of the day. We knew that way ahead. Okay,
how do you replace him? Okay, well, let's they brought
in Kenny Clark. But then clearly wasn't enough. We saw
it week after week where the defense was the defense
was struggling. You're talking about well over Sewan is about

(10:29):
to come back later on, and we're holding onto that
at the linebacker position. I'm not gonna keep criticizing because
at the end of the day they still made those
straight but it always feels like it's just a little
too late. And obviously they're still in their run. They're
very much capable of getting there, but your room for
error is extremely low right now.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
But in all fairness, according to reports, they were trying
to get Quinn Williams back when they were doing the
mic deal. When they were trying to trade Micah, the
Jets were a target they wanted and Williams at that
time the Jets just weren't willing to deal him.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean, what was in reality? Huh, wish is not
in reality?

Speaker 8 (11:06):
You just find the way too.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
No, no, no, What I'm saying is I don't think
it's fair to say they should have done the deal earlier.
They wanted to do the deal earlier, they couldn't get
the partner to do the deal earlier.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Right.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
Do you think the the two and the one had
something to do with it? Like in camp, do you
think that the Cowboys would be willing to give up
a two from this year and a one from next year,
or do you think that them having extra picks mattered
in them giving it up or do you think getting
what by the Cardinals really made the game.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
I think that. I think having the extra picks helped.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I'm gonna say this, the team before November two couldn't
beat anybody. For the team on November third can beat
anybody in the National Football Lager.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's the fact, the way it.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
Is, and it's it's it's it's you could. You could.
You proved it.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
You went out the number one's the number one seed
at the time were the Philadelphia Eagles. You went out there,
you were down twenty one, and you found a way
to win the game. Is that the Eagles? Should the
Eagles be number one? That's for debate. But you are
a team right now currently that could be any team
in the National Football Before November second, you weren't beating

(12:11):
the Arizona Cardinals. That's how that's how big this turnaround is.
With the addition of the players you got and plus
the guys coming off the injured, the injured.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Reserveless and I think that's the part.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
George Pickens being one of the best offensive players in
the league right and.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
That's that's the part that's so I guess to some degree,
to your point, Aver is a little disheartening because you're like, man,
if you just had a couple extra weeks with those players,
maybe that Cardinals game is different. You know, maybe earlier
in the season that like you look at all these
teams and you're like, man, I just hope I'll selling

(12:48):
Nick this, you know, talking about you know, talking around,
just have having the conversation. I'm like, the thing that
that worries me most is Dallas gets on a run,
they are beating and they get to the end the sea,
they could be a game short, and and and by
the way, in that situation, there will be a single
team in the NFC in the playoffs that would have said, yeah,

(13:09):
we want to play Dallas. Nobody would have wanted to
see Dallas at that point because of how good they
have been down the stretch, but because of how bad
it was in the first part of the season, they
won't have.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Enough to get there.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Now, I will tell you this, as I started looking
at the playoff picture right now in the NFC, they
got an opportunity. Now Dak says they gotta win out.
I don't know if they gotta win out, but they
don't have a lot of room for error.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
You think about some of the.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Teams like green Bay, Detroit, Carolina right now is only
half a game ahead of them, and because of the tie,
you don't really don't have to worry about tie breaks,
right because you have a tie, so you gonna you
got that half either way. But Green Bay and Detroit
think about this, green Bay, who's who deep?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Green Bay has?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
They got Detroit, Chicago, Denver, Chicago, Baltimore, Minnesota. Detroit has
green Bay, Dallas, the Rams, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, and Chico. Each
of those two teams gotta play a bunch of really
good teams right now. And so when you start thinking
about it from that standpoint, there's gonna be an opportunity here.

(14:10):
If Dallas can handle their own business, green Bay, Detroit
and Carolina will be in play. I think for the
Cowboys to maybe jump over them Seattle, San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Who knows how that plays out.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Even if they got those other two wildcard spots, that
third one can be available to you depending on what
happens with these other teams and them beating each other up.
The Cowboys gonna have an opportunity, but they gotta get
it on run.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Lucky for us, not just that, but Seattle, San fran
and Rams have to go against each other a couple
more times too, so it's a lot more to play.
And the Cowboys have to play the Lions. That'll be
one game bumping them down. But besides that, if you
just take care of your business, which is the hard part,
all these other teams gonna have to play tough teams
and they'll kind of start knocking each other off. And
all you gotta do is tie with another team or
just have the same amount of wins as another team,

(14:51):
because having less losses than them because of your time.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Will put you ahead of them. That's exactly right. All right,
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Speaker 7 (18:59):
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Speaker 2 (19:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (19:05):
They're gonna run a little man on you. And typically
when teams run some man, they run cover three and
you know that ends up being some cover one stuff,
cover three, cover one man. To me, that's all the
same thing, you know what I'm saying, Brian. But they
don't get a bunch of pressure with their own guys
like we're just you know, rushing for They like to
try to blitz and bring pressure. But Brian, they don't
always get home when they do that, Brian. So they

(19:26):
are a team that you know, they they kind of
pride themselves on dealing with the run pretty decently. I
wouldn't call them like a Broncos type unit that you
can't run against. But they do pride themselves in that,
and they're a team that's gonna blitz and try to
get pressure that way.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I mean, we're we're we're a team. We're a Dak Prescott.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Operation that's really good versus blizz. We're really good versus
Cover three. You are saying, Brian, it looks like it's
gonna match up well for us. Now, we don't know
what they're gonna do. SPACs men come out there and
do something that ain't even on film, just like we
did to the Eagles and land in Jackson City, never
seen it on film before.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
They might do something totally different. We're not gonna let
them live that down never.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
But but just based on what I'm watching from the film, Brian,
like they got some some cool dudes up front. Chris
Jones is very talented, Carl loftus can get after you.
They back up seem to be better pass rest than
the damn first team. Bran, it's a weird little bunch.
What did you see, sir? Yeah, I tell you what
I think.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
To me that what you're you're absolutely right about this
is a team that has struggled with their pressure and
they're one of the you know when you talk about
groups that create pressure when they're near the bottom, which
is you don't think for a Kansas City outfit with
Steve Spagnulla is the defensive coordinator because they are a
big blitz team, but they haven't been getting home on
the blitzer is either. You know, this is something that

(20:37):
has been a little troubling to them. They are going
to play. You know, when you think about Kansas City,
you think it's about Spagnula, You think about blitz, and
you think about a ton of man coverage. It's it's
you know, about twenty percent of what you're gonna get
some with some man I thought, man, they were gonna
be high up there, like when you played the Jets,
you know, and the Jets, so is that throw it out?
You almost half the time playing man coverage. But the

(20:58):
thing about it is when teams blitz, and we all
understand this when we when you watch teams that try
and attack Dak Prescott, blitzing is a bad way of
kind of going about it. You know, Dak has the
ability to you know, find open receivers. He navigates, well,
he gets them in the right place. You got Williams.
It's a really good blitz pickup guy. You've got an

(21:18):
offensive line that's now kind of played together here a
few games and everything's kind of coming together for them
as well. But the thing about it is you've got
a great weapon in George Pickens. George Pickens is when
you watch him play, he you know, his the route
running of stuff like that. You know, you wouldn't say
it's dynamic in any way. But what he does is
he finds ways to get open. He finds ways of
winning off the line, he finds ways against man coverage.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
But if you blitz the Dallas Cowboys, they've got.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Places to go with the football. And that's where Steve
Spagnula has to be very very mindful. This is a
really good tackling defense, by the way. So you know
we've seen Dallas with some run after catch with Pickens.
We've seen it with with Turpin Lamb at times, Ferguson
and at times. You know, so they've got guys that
we can run after catch. But Dak is equipped, this

(22:06):
offensive lines equipped, the back is equipped, the wide receivers equipped.
If Spagnola wants to go into that mode of trying
to blitz to create pressure. He might be in a
little bit of trouble here. Teams that have played a
little bit more sown against Dak seem to have a
better path that way to kind of stopping him. So
I'm fascinated when we see the first couple of series.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Of the game.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
How are they how are they trying to attack Dak.
But they do got some really interesting players. You mentioned
Carl Loftis. He's a really he's a try hard. He's
a talented guy. But he's not a bendy guy. I
know you would say that, not a bendy not one
of these guys you've seen We've flying up the field
and he's dipping and coming around you.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
That kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
He'll play both the right and the left side, so
he's going to get an opportunity against both. Chris Jones
at the defensive tackle is kind of having a little
bit of a down year statistically wise. They'll play him
some on the edge too and put some speedier guys,
are quicker guys in the middle of their defense. So
they'll give you a bunch of different looks. But it's
a it's a group that has some very talented players,

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but they're not playing at probably the level that we've
seen them in the past.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Man, Brian, I was, I was watching how how teams
target these DB's they got there. Yeah, you know a
lot of times we see teams try to go away
from the best corner.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I don't think teams have shied away from McDuffie.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
No, they haven't.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, they don't.

Speaker 7 (23:26):
They don't shy away from Like they don't always work out.
He's given up two touchdowns this year or whatever, but
they don't shy away from.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Now.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
I think that your talent versus theirs, I think he'll
kind of match up, you know, match up decently for us, Brian.
But I think their safeties give up a bunch of players. Yeah,
Cook doesn't look all at all that you know good,
you know, getting the open space when he's he's deep
and do all this cover cover one, cover three stuff, right,
they walk down to safety, right. I don't think they

(23:53):
have a good man man cover safety situation. And you
know sometimes they'll you know, mix him up with the
nickel and stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Brian.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
I think you can definitely, you know, definitely take advantage
of the corners or whatever. Just block the guys up front.
I think the Cowboys have an offensive line that's good
enough to do it. Chris Jones, like you said, kind
of a down year. Uh, the Cowboys kind of would
have issues depending on the matchup, right. So right, so
Nate Thomas right, and Nate is a guy is more powerful.
I think he'll have a good day versus one of

(24:18):
these guys that's trying to power rush him. Terren Steele
is not there great versus power right, So it'll kind
of depend on how the matchups go there. But if
you block those dudes up front, bright Man, you can.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I think the thing you mentioned McDuffie at corner, I mean,
he's he's given up less than forty yards a game
as a as a corner, and he's gonna play very
tight coverage. But people have they've tried to they've tried
to attack him a little bit on the outside, which
is a surprising tactic to use. But I think to me,
like you say, you've got the guys, You've got the

(24:50):
receivers that can match up pretty well.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
How they determine who they put him on.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
I didn't see a whole lot of traveling going on
with this guy, so you know that, you know, can
you move your guys?

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Can you move Pickings? Trump?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Pickings is gonna play on the outside the majority of
the time. But can you win from the inside? Can
you win from the nickel spot too? I think that's
gonna be a key from this for this game with
c Lamb. Yeah, with Ceedee Lamb.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
When you think about the fact that that they play
a lot of man, I know, you said that's a
that can be a zone. It's probably a better thing
to do against Dallas. But how do they even match
up because Dallas has so many weapons if you're giving
them man coverage? Can they even match up with Dallas
if they're gonna just sit out there and play man
all day?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Technically no, I mean, the the correct answer is no.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
I mean we want to respect the Chiefs defense and
all that they do, and like I said, you know,
blitzing and things like that, can you know, mix things
up and make you not be able to see it clear?
But I'm just thinking about the Cowboys and there guys,
Like if we just talking about the Chiefs defense, like
just just talking about them, Yeah, you know they can
cover you well, they can bring pressure whatever. But if
you just think about the Cowboys, like, Okay, Dak is

(25:57):
great versus this, right, Okay Williams is a great blitz,
you know, bliss identifying pick up guy. Uh, the offensive
line is probably gonna be powerful enough to deal with
their powerful guys. You got two wide receiver ones that
are studs. Like I haven't had the time to go
and hyper focus to see what the talent versus Kansas
City was like to make them, you know. But if
I'm just thinking about the names that we have, it'll

(26:18):
be tough for them to talk about line of know,
what's our boy Chris Rowland Wallace, Yeah, one on one
versus City Lamb and the Nickels. That's good luck to
you, you know what I mean. So they don't have it's
not like Denver. Well, they got two guys that can
man cover. Yeah, got great, great pass us. It ain't
like that. So I want to respect the Kansa City chiefs.
I think if they gonna beat you, it's gonna be
them putting up points and chasing us or something like that.

(26:40):
But uh, this defense, you have to respect them because
they play well together and we have to not make
mistakes and play sound football, but corner versus versus wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
It's this is where I think to me, and you
mentioned the good on good because McDuffie and we keep
talking about him, but and we talk about with picking
when you when you when you deal with him in
man coverage, it's going to be it's hard for Kansas
City to deal with him. They do have a guy
in McDuffie that can deal with him. So now it's

(27:10):
about can the others You're right, Derek about how.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
Do they match up?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
I mean, now you know, I know we've I mean
that it seems like the world is critical of Ceedee
Lamb right now and all he's kind of going through.
This is the type of game that Ceedee Lamb. It
could be just an opposite of what we saw in Philadelphia.
It could be George Pickens four catches seventy seven yards
and we could see Ceedee Lamb nine catches one hundred

(27:35):
and forty eight yards. That's that's maybe how this game
is going to have to play. You're going to have
to get I think, get Ceedee Lamb going because I
think the McDuffie and Pickens battle is going to be
huge and they can find ways to eliminate each other.
I mean, you just have to just know going out.
But I don't think they have anybody else that can

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take Lamb.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
I just don't. And then VOTs.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Even brought up the fact about some of the problems
they've had its safety. How are you going to handle
the things with Ferguson?

Speaker 6 (28:04):
You know? Is that boldening coverage? Bolden in those guys.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
The linebackers have had their problems and some coverage stuff.
This candasy defense undeceives spec Nor When they were winning
Super Bowls and stuff, they were a lockdown group. I
think they've got one player that can lock you down
in this And then the fact that they're not getting
pressure with blitzing and they're not getting sacks, I think
that doesn't vote very well for them in this matchup.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
It sounds crazy Brown, but think back to the Jets game,
and we just talked about personnel versus Cowboys, right, the Jets,
in theory, would have a better plan of how to
shut you down because they got better dues of a
front you have to deal with, and they have Gardener
that was chasing GP at the time, but they didn't
really have another corner. That's right, So what you would

(28:49):
have to do is you have to get Flow to
catch nine passes for one hundred and thirty something, right,
because they didn't have another guy, see what I'm saying.
So in this particular situation, and McDuffie ain't Gardener, you
know what I'm saying, even though he's chasing around picks
and then Pickles still had fifty yards in a touchdown play,
Yeah versus Gardner. I'm not going away from pickings just
because McDuffie is on. Yeah, but I think your biggest

(29:11):
goal is gonna be and I'm still naming Flow here.
Flow and CD versus the other cass front would be.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Good to go. And that's the thing, like I think.
I think that's why I said yesterday. I really believe
this is gonna be a big day for Ceedee Lamb.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I think there's there's a lot of he's try he's
gonna want to prove on top of the fact that
the matchup is just right, it works for him, and
putting him in the slot, I think there's gonna be
some opportunities there.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I think he's not a big day.

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All right, We're gonna take our final break. We'll come
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think these young guys, particularly Beatie and Tyler Booker are
playing now that they've gotten back from injury. They they're
back in the fold, they are rolling. I want to
hear what you guys got to say about their play.
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Final segment of the Break Live from That's WBC Mortgage
Studios at the Star. Let's talk about the run game
this last game. Vonte Williams twenty carries, So done.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 3 (32:38):
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Speaker 8 (32:40):
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Speaker 4 (32:47):
He did twenty carries eighty seven yards of four point
four average Javonte Williams okay, and then Malik Davis even
threw in a little bit. He had three carriages for
twenty four yards. And quite frankly, I'm liking what I'm
seeing from Malik Davis. When he gets the ball, he's
got a little punch to it, like he can he
can make some Some.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Things happened we've seen.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
So that all being said, talk to me about, because
I think a lot of it starts with this offensive
line and their ability to block in the run game.
Talk to me about specifically some of the younger guys
how they are performing. Uh, start with Bebie and Booker
and talk about what you've seen from them over the
last couple of games.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
When you go to o line school, the first thing
that they teach you about running zone or just running whatever.
Running you know, man, whatever is that you got to
deal with a gap and you got to block the mic.
If you want to stop somebody from running the football,
you got to expose a gap and you might run
free and make all the play like. That's that's just
what you That's the first two rules that they teach
you in old line school. And when you had like

(33:43):
some some past players on this team, Like, Okay, Tyler,
she don't play no more.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Heaps right, could not move.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Mike McCarthy, by the way, who.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Tyler beatdis was what they call hat on hat guy.
He did his job by just getting in front of
somebody hanging on stale maiden. Let somebody behind him make
a decision and hey, Tyler, be honis you won that play?
Another thing about him and maybe the relationship between him
and like Connor McGovern or something like that, they wouldn't
be great second level blockers. They just never got there.
And it could be because this is a theory of

(34:16):
mine that I'm just kind of crafting over time. If
you're not powerful, you don't get movement. And if you
don't get movement, it messes up the relationship between first
level and linebacker. So like, for example, if I'm pushing
the hell out of you and I just end up
at linebacker, I'm five yards down field further than I
thought I was. But if I'm fighting at the line
of scrimmage, fighting at the line of scrimmage and then
I get off to go to linebacker, I didn't get

(34:38):
movement on the first level, so I can't get the
second level. In good timing because the linebacker's fast.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
He gone.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
I'm at the line of scrimmage to where Tyler Booker
would be at yard three by now, because we're pushing
folk man, these young dudes in the middle justice advertising.
I'm including Big Tyler and necause Big Tyler what twenty five,
twenty six or.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Something like that.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Young we're he paid, he got bread. We're a young
offensive line operation across the board. And this Eagles defense.
What I learned from this, because there's a lesson in
every bar is there's gonna be teams with real good
d lines, okay, and you can walk into those games
confidently because you got a real good interior.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
A gap don't hold us hostage anymore, That's true.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
They don't three texts that used to come in here
and Boyd Johnathan Allen Finn to come and smoke whoever.
We got a XAVI Sewer Filo as something.

Speaker 10 (35:26):
Man.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Those days are gone, because now you can go all right.
I feel good with Tyler Booker one on one VERSU
Jalen Card if I have to, even if it ain't pretty,
You're three, it might be pretty, But right now, if
it ain't pretty, I still trust him. I still trust
that you can make that block. Oh, if I got
a double team somebody with BB, they flying. So now

(35:47):
if I'm Javonte Williams, now he get to think like
Cowboy fans think, because sometimes I'd be like, oh, it's
a run, come, y'all need to go find book and
just run behind him. He get to do that now,
He'll go, Okay, well, if the combo is here and
we're double team at BB and BOOK, some probably gonna
percolate right there. And it's so important of moving those
guys and dumping them on the line back and they're
meeting each other together and it just makes one big

(36:09):
pile over here, and it makes another lane on the
other side because they all kind of walled off in
that way. And man, Javonte just get to run around
and say we and run over some cornerback or something.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
He just say we because you get moved it.

Speaker 8 (36:22):
You heard him.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, it sounds of silent. It's fantastic.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
Cameras everywhere, microphones everywhere, job and I'm like, I'm like, man,
I just haven't seen that as a as a Cowboy
fan since our you know, Travis zach Tyron day and
you know Leary days.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So yeah, run game is good with those guys.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
No, I think you described it well then, even even
when you look at what BB and we talked about,
as you mentioned the second level stuff. If you watch
some of the breakdown of the game and watching that
broke down to play for you the other day, where
BB with he just he shoves, he sees the uh
Davis Carter when I'm going away, and then Bookers got
him Bookers. And but what BB does is he makes

(36:58):
sure he pushes him to Booker. Now Booker's got him,
and then he gets up on the second level and
is dealing with with Dean or Bonne or one of
those guys, and you see the blocks. There will been
a time where Dallas would have focused so much on
the down lineman and wouldn't have gotten anybody to the
second level. And now it's a gain instead of a
gain of seven or eight, it's a gain of two

(37:18):
or three because you didn't bother to get somebody up.
They've done a much better job of helping each other
out and getting guys on guys and staying on those
guys and then getting guys up on the second level.

Speaker 7 (37:29):
Because these offensive linemen talk to each other like all game,
we're constantly talking, man, what you dot abo bam, and
they can make adjustments on the fly and it'll happen
versus the Cowboys fanslom like like like if we're watching
the game and it'd be like mine's out there something
you don't work it no more? And how many times
have we seen like a center go, hey man, I
know you got I'm not even going.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
I don't have to help you. I'm not even go
I'm just gonna no hand check or anything.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
No, I'm just gonna go lead because I'm positive that
you that you got this right. Just imagine if you're
Cooper Beebe and you looking over hey man, you know
Jordan Dave is probably tough to everybody else, but big Tyler,
you got this.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
So now I just get to leave.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
So now your linebackers getting getting blocked early early, like
I haven't seen now, and it just opens everything up
in the timing of it just just works out perfectly.
Shouts that to everybody from the blockers, the runner and
the operation. Man, Clayton Adams really got this thing.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Looking love well, we know that, I mean.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
The key to a successful offensive.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Line whooping feet hunh is.

Speaker 8 (38:29):
How much time they get to play together, the communication
and the connection between each other. I think individually we've
seen these guys what they can do, or the potential.
I would say we've seen the potential, and I think
now it's at a point where it's starting to shape.
Everything's coming to shape, coming to fruition. As long as

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the penalties are off the plate, put that away.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That's put that away.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
You should be able to continue to build on that
connection and anticipation of trust, of like knowing, hey, just
like you describe Otch, this guy has this other guy
over here. I know he's taking care of that. And
that all comes with time, and I think this is
the perfect time for it to all come together and
just play a clean game, pay a clean game, and

(39:19):
don't make them mistakes.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
All right, let's get into this matchup Kansas City versus Dallas.
One of the things I know you guys were talking
about yesterday. You're talking about the fact that you know,
the Kansas City Chiefs are a team that likes.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
To throw the ball a lot.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Anyway, Dallas has, I think, over the last two weeks.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Has been very clear.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Their defense has made their opponents one dimensional. They've taken
the runaway. The teams just basically abandoned it because they
could get nothing out of it. Is this a game, though,
where even if Dallas does that, if they continue that
trajectory and their run defense is stellar and they force
Kansas City to throw the ball, does that really help
them in a game like this where you have arguably

(39:58):
the best quarterback in the league on a team that
likes to throw the ball a lot.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Anyway, we don't have a choice.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
I think I think they're gonna go out and do
what they wanted to. I don't think you can stop
the pass and make them run the ball, nothing like that.
I think they just gonna bang their head up against
throwing the football and and that's that's how they're gonna
win and lose the game. Luckily for us though, and
this might be totally different because they're playing us now.
They don't really like they got speed guys, but they
really want to just like dump it down and get

(40:27):
easy throws off. They wouldn't run after the catch and
do the yact things. You would think that with Hollywood
Brown on one side and Worthy on you would think
they just run downfield all day, And they're really not
now will that change versus Cowboys because on film, all
they've been seeing is people just running past us.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, that possibly could change.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
But we got pass rush now, so we'll see if
they want to do that, you know, if they want
to play that game or whatever. But I think this
game is going to be a whole bunch of cover
for like it was like two weeks ago versus Arizona
and coming up and tackling that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
I think there's two things that really worrying about Kansas City.
I do worry about them throwing the ball to their
backs in the flat. I don't think Dallas has particularly
played flat pass very well. I worry about that. We'll
see if that changes, though. And I do worry about
quarterback scramble. And I know every week we talk about
running quarterback, running quarterback, and then the quarterback doesn't run.
This one will run, this one will run. And they've

(41:22):
struggled because they're running game. They're running game plays downhill.
But checko Hunt, it's a straight ahead. There's not a
lot of thrills to it or anything like that. It's
just power football. They're compromised at one of the guard spots.
You know, we'll see how that one of their tight ends,
the backup tight ends compromise. They'll you know, with the
block and stuff like that. So you know, Dallas might

(41:43):
have a little bit of advantage. Kansas City might say, listen,
our best avenue is trying to throw the ball. You know,
we use Mahomes and use Mahomes as the runner in
this particular game. But the flat pass, the screen, that's
an Andy Reid special. And then you think about though
the quarterback run it. Those are the things scare me
most about the Kansas City's offense.

Speaker 8 (42:03):
But at least you have the offense that you have
with the Cowboys as long again the mistakes. You have
to play clean on offense. You cannot be dropping passes.
You have to be clear on the reads and who
you're throwing the ball to and making sure you as
a receiver catch that ball. Because as slowly as and

(42:25):
if I'm the Chiefs, I'm throwing the ball, I'm passing,
I'm messing with the Cowboys in that way, I'm attacking
them by throwing the ball. But when the Cowboys offense
gets the ball back, score like you have to score
as well, and not you know, make those mistakes. I
just hope this is a week. I know it was
a short week, but that they are able to clean

(42:47):
up those mistakes, because if they didn't make all those
against the Eagles, that would have been very close all
game long. It would have been right there in the battle.
But real quick, aggressive shot at Heimer or not.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Good at this boy, I forgot all about that.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
And man, let me tell you some the defense played
well down the stretch. It's Pat and I ain't just
trying to be giving Pat the ball on short field.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
So I'm putting I'm.

Speaker 7 (43:19):
Putting le Brian Ainger, please and and and pen pen
the Chiefs and make them drive.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
And by the way, your defense is playing the kind
of football right now where they're creating some turnovers, so
forcing them to have to drive the field. And on
the off chance your defense happens to knock the ball out,
that's how you stop them. Like, I just think you
gotta you gotta make them drive the field. It's I
don't think it's a good idea to be as aggress
and I will say this, it all depends on the situation.
There are some situations where you should still be aggressive, right.

(43:48):
I just think the ones last week that worries me
a little bit, and especially in a game like this
where you playing this kind of offense, I just I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
Shot is learning on the job. We uh, we've realized
he been he been calling plays. It like now he
got to meet like like you know, in game.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
But I think this is who he is. I don't
think that's gonna change.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I honestly believe that Shaddy is just one of those
coaches that's like he believes we can do it, and
so he's like, I'm going to be aggressive, our team's
gonna be a I think it's just a philosophy and
so I think we should buckle in. It's very similar
to what Dan Dan Campbell did in Detroit when he
got there, he set the philosophy we're going to be aggressive.
And still to this day he makes calls and games

(44:26):
where you like, man, but he's like but it's but
it's not but it's not inconsistent. Like he has a plan.
He is going to be aggressive, and you just know
he's going to be aggressive against his quarterback.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
I stay aggressive. I bek aggressive, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I you know against Hurts, who I kind of he's
been struggling, you know, and all you kind of look
at you make them have to drive the ball and
stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
You're playing Pat Mahomes.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
If he were to stand up there and something goes
bad and he made a call that maybe cost him
an opportunity, all he has to say is it's Pat
Mahomes on the other side of the field. You want
me to give him the ball back with minute on
the clock, What do you want me to do?

Speaker 6 (45:02):
I had to go for it.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
I felt like I needed to end the game right there.
And if he makes if he makes an aggressive playing
at backfires, I can understand it playing against Andy Reid
Hall of Fame coach, Pat Mahomes, hall of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
All right, give me your picks. Who's gonna win this game?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Was the score?

Speaker 10 (45:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I was gonna beat the hell out the Chiefs. Is
you crazy? Derek Eagleson, I'll say, ah, some defense gonna.

Speaker 7 (45:23):
Come to play on both sides there, I'll say twenty
eight twenty four?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
All right, Yeah, I think that if you throw out
Kansas City on the road has not been great. One
of their losses, though, was in Brazil to open the season,
So you got to kick that game.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
That was. They called it a road loss. But you
look at their losses that they've had.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
The Denver loss they've had, they had a loss at
Buffalo was bad, and they had a loss at Jacksonville
on the final play, So they've had some losses on
the road. I think they're a different team on the road.
Give me Dallas in this one. I think Dallas is
gonna win this game. I think it's gonna be another
one of those have to kick a field goal things.
I think it's gonna be a twenty seven twenty four
type of a game.

Speaker 8 (46:01):
Talk to them, please don't disappoint me. Please, I want
to enjoy this weekend. This week has been great after
a win, so I hope they win.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I did.

Speaker 8 (46:15):
Cowboys are very much capable of winning this game. They're
just again, don't make mistakes and be aggressive, but not
crazy aggressive. Okay, I would say I have something. I
said it earlier and it's similar to yours, but mineus
a really word score. Twenty eight twenty five. Just a
weird number there, I don't know, but yeah, I picked

(46:36):
the Cowys for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
I think this is going to be a barn burner.
I think it's going to be scoring up and down
the field. Both teams, and I think ultimately the game
will be won because somebody's defense going to make a play.
I think Dallas ultimately wins it. But it's gonna be
a lot of points scored. Dallas forty one, Kansas.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
City thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Okay, in what might be there, there are people out
there that are saying this might be the most watched
NFL game outside of a super Bowl, in the history
of the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
It certainly has that kind of billing.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
When you put these kind of players and these brands
up against each other on a Thanksgiving Day when people
are sitting around and eating and just looking for something
to watch.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
I think this can be the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
There you go, all right, I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
Jones.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
We'll be back on Monday. We're not gonna be here Friday.
We'll be back on Monday.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
We'll tell you what went right and wrong for the
Cowboys on Thursday, and we will quickly flip the page
because we only have shows Monday and Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Next week.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Wednesday will be traveling, Thursday will be in Detroit. It
is going to be a crazy week.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
A lot going on.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
You're not tired, man, you young let's go all right,
that's been a break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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