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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
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I'm Christy Scale, sideline reporter for the Dallas Cowboys Radio
Network and the boy part of Girls Talk, Boy Talk.
Jesse Holly, mister fourth and long former Cowboys wide receiver,
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and Jesse and I are Twinkies. Bree was there last
night as well, but the world premiere. It was literally
a Hollywood, not red carpet, but blue carpet for the
Netflix series which drops August nineteenth. It's going to be
eight episodes. It is America's Team, the Gambler and his Cowboys,
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Jerry Jones, the entire Jones family, Michael Emmett Troy is
featured in it. Dion Sanders as well. It's about the
nineties cowboys and Bree. You were there along the blue
carpet as everyone was coming in Jesse and I got
a chance to see the show as well. What were
your thoughts of was it your first Hollywood premiere?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
It was, like you said, blue carpet, It was fun
to see all the stars coming in.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
You know, some of the national people you see every day.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That was my first time talking one on one with
both Michael and Emmett, and I was just like the
way they talk, It's like everything they said was like inspiring, right,
And I asked both of them the same question about
you know what do you hope people who like me
really who don't remember the Cowboys from the nineties because
I was too busy being born what it was like,
but kill us now, like.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
This is who it's for.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like he's like, you know, both of them, they were
like it was a different time, the locker rooms were different,
the game was different. And I asked both of them
if their nineties team and their prime could compete with
the top teams NFL, and both of those answered has
cuss words in it, but very dominantly, yes they can.
So I'm excited to see it this series, how it unfolds,
because I think, like I said, I think this is
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what the world needs to see.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I think it's long overdue for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Yeah, and it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The Egyptian theater, Graman's Egyptian Theater right there on Hollywood Boulevard,
very old school, old field kind of of Hollywood. And
we said there are eight episodes. Now we got to
see the first ten minutes of episode one and then
all of episode three, which is basically concentrating on the
nineteen ninety two NFC Championship game where the upstart Cowboys
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go into San Francisco and defeat Steve Young, Bill Romanowski,
Jerry Rise that era the Bill Walsh San Francisco forty
nine ers. But then there are great cutbacks to Jerry
buying the team and his life from Arkansas and Jesse.
What were your thoughts on what you saw on screen?
Speaker 7 (03:27):
My initial thoughts were I said to myself, I said, damn,
he's done it again, meaning Jerry has figured out a
way to do it again. And unlike Brie, like you remember,
I remember those times right, And so it was something
to be said that we're watching this moment and we
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know the outcome, we know the play, we know the score,
we know how it ends. But every moment had me
on the edge of my seat. And I know people,
I know how, I know how social media gets right.
There will come on today and they will say, oh,
Jesse and Christian breathe, you're carrying the water for Jerry.
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You're being company men and women. And if you know me,
there's nothing about me that ever its company. I do
what I want, say what I want, how I want,
and just did whatever the consequences are. And I was
so thoroughly impressed at the cinematography, the way that they
put this thing together, the way that they flash back
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like we're like the scene took place in the middle
of the NFC Championship game, but you would flash back
to Jerry at Arkansas. You would flash back to Jerry
and his family on his ranch. You would flash back
to telling the story of how you know a lot
of the stories that we know.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
But to say about Jimmy Hoffati And.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
So it was cinematically it was phenomenal. It was absolutely
this is not me carrying water for the This is
like this is It was like I left and I
was just like I wanted to stay. I want to
show me another one. I want to see another one
because it was that could that impactful.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, it's a masterclass in storytelling. And another one of
our cowboy friends from Netflix. From Netflix, Greg Whiteley, who
was the director of the America Sweethearts, so the cheerleader version.
He was there last night and got to visit with him.
But it's just the production value, it's absolutely Yeah, they
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did the ones for Jerry's for the for the football part,
Greg did the one for the cheerleaders. But the way
that they can take so much information and put it
all together. But here's the thing you talk about saying, oh,
carry and water for Jerry and the team. Hey, if
you hate the Cowboys, you'll get a lot out of
this too. And what did you think of the show itself?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Bred So I actually didn't see it. I was working
the outside side doing stuff for TV. Yeah, so I'm
excited to see it. But I will say hearing what
Jesse said about kind of like that emotional appeal, that's
exactly what Michael and emmittt both said. They were like,
you know, this is about us, is about our lives,
and there's things that you know, you're gonna see that
have never really been seen before, and it brought back
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certain emotions to them and they lived it.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
So if you're saying that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Oh, yeah, I was there too, I was. I was
not the sideline reporter in the nineties. I was in
the radio booth, but I started in ninety one. You
hear great play calls from Brad Sham. Everything's all mixed
in and like you say, they sit down and they
interview Steve Young and Romanowski and Jerry Rice and it's.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Eddie de Bartelow is in it. So and it is.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's a masterclass. And I can't recommend it highly enough.
And the great thing about Netflix is unlike some of
the other streaming services where you have a series and
then there'll be an episode and you have to wait.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
A whole week.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Oh no, Netflix, Jackson, So just just plan the nineteen
You know that you're going to be up all night.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Yeah, So playing Corda it was.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
You know, and to kind of put a bowl on
the night it, you know, being there and having an
immit in the crowd and Michael and the crowd and Michael,
someone who I have a great relationship with. It was
you know, I look at them, and when you heard
Charles Haley speak and you know, on the video and
you watched Troy speak and all the people that were
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part of it, there was a feel like you understood
that team. You understood their determination, you understood their their
focus and their swagger, their swagger. They're just there. When
when when Michael uh said that there it was like
I'd rather die before I lose. And when he said it,
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you felt it like he said it in the screen
and you was like just watching it, You're like, oh,
y'all really meant that, Like you really meant that. This
This was I was willing to before I lose to
this football team. And you know, and we always want
to compare. It's always about a comparison thing, right like
why is this thirty years drought? And why this team
doesn't Those group of men. I'm just telling you, like,
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those group of men are different, are different, and I
know that we evolve and things change, but that group
and not only were there, they different, it was talented group.
Like like we talk about like Alvin Harved like this
afterthought Gova Harbor was the first round pick, you know
what I mean, Like like there was a talented talent
Charles Haley and you know that that offensive line with
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Nate Newton and step But like, that was a talented,
talented group and then they were coached at a such
a level. And I get it times are way different
and how you can coach players and how practices and
stuff go. But but the way Jimmy coached those guys
and the way they responded to Jimmy's coaching, it just
it's it's it's different. Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, it was a fun watch and we learned a lot.
And let's contrast that with Saturday at Sofi Stadium, which
was not so fun to watch from a Cowboys perspective,
I would say a lot of coaching points coming out
of that. But Brie, as you think about Saturday, what
were a couple of the main points that you took
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from that thirty one twenty one loss to the Rams.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I will say that I thought, Man Film Film is
gonna be tough for this team when they go back
in there. But I mean, to be to be fair,
it's preseason, right, I think everyone is like, Oh, it's
just you know, these aren't the starters, this is all
the backups or what have you. And there was some
guys who were going to get a lot of playing time.
They were out there, but I think if anything was concerning,
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they were also the Rams also had the backups out right,
so I'm looking at that as well. But I think
the biggest thing to see what we're all watching is
how how does Joel Milton go out there and hand
an engineer in this offense? The beginning of the game,
I was just like, it just looks so chaotic. He
just love, it's just not comfortable. You were hoping they would,
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you know, get in some type of run game so
he could get comfortable and start flinging that ball around,
and that's just not what happened. Like the three and out,
they didn't get their first touchdown to the fourth quarter,
So they had.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
One total yard of offense in the first quarter. Yeah,
and so much for establishing a run game and they
go six straight throws.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So that offensively that was and then it just looked
like you go the other side of the wall, the
run defense, same issues. It looked like to me there
was a lot of double team happening to that interior
defensive line for US. One on ones weren't being met
for the edges, and it was just some of the
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stuff that was seeing in the joint practice kind of
transferred over to be honest, So you were kind of hoping,
and we talked about it that that was gonna be
We know it was gonna be about schemeing, it was
gonna be about individual matchups, and I just felt like,
again it went to the rams we're talking to, who
was winning majority of individual matchup.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
It wasn't all bad.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I did see flashes from certain people, and I know
we'll talk about those in a second, So there was
some good things to come out of it. But yeah,
a lot of the issues that we saw in the
joint practice I saw transfer over to Saturday and Jesse.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Before getting your specific thoughts from the game itself, rementioned
you know, all going in and the meetings and watching
film from something like that, your perspective, because you've been
one of these guys that has been battling for a
roster spot and just need in every rip that you
can get in a game.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
What's it like from that perspective.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And then you go into the meeting afterwards or the
film session after the.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Foremost when you're talking about from a personal perspective is,
you know, you try to do what your time it is, right,
and that's what football is. It's eleven individual assignments hoping
to be done collectively at the same time. Right, So
you hope first that I do what I was supposed
to do. And sometimes, as I as a receiver, I
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can't help if the offensive line blocked or not. I
can't help if the quarterback made the right read or not,
or through the ball we're supposed to. What I can
control is if my route was supposed to be a
twelve yard curl, then I go twelve yards and curl,
right Like, is that the part that I was supposed
to do? If coach watch film, did I win my
individual battle? And that's why you know, you'll hear coaches say, well,
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that's why they have coaches, because my rode receiver, coach
is looking for me to do a certain thing, My
officer courter is looking for me to do a certain thing.
And so when they go back to evaluate film, they're
looking at it as a whole, right, because that's their job,
but also individually, all right, we ask this guy to
do X, Y and Z, did he accomplish the mission?
We'll handle the rest of the stuff, but can we
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trust him to go out there and do that part.
So for the guys in these games, it's, you know,
do your job first and then we'll coach the rest
of it to make it come together as a unit.
So you know, you want to focus first on that,
and then the team part of it all is is,
you know, how can I help What's the next thing
that I can do to maybe help the quarterback do
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that or help the running game better? Did I get
all my blocks where I'm perfect on my reads? Was
there some sort of sight adjustment that I missed or
made in those particular things? So you're looking for that,
but you know, and then ultimately, yeah, you want to
make a player too. You want to go out there
and make a player too, and flash and go see
I can do this. I can't make the blocks, I
can't make the catches. I can do these things. Because
ultimately that's what the coaches want to see. They want
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to see who can go out there and make a play.
But lining up, assignment, alignment, depth, splits, all those things
are so vitally important. That's what they go and watch
when they go and watch film, when they're looking at
all right, can we trust this guy on Sunday? Right?
If you can't line up right, that's a line one, hey,
break the huddle? Know what a hell a line up at? Right?
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If you can't do that, If I can't trust you
to run ten yards and out because the rock requires
you to run ten yards and out, or if I
can't trust you that, hey, this time, this route might
not be for you. But if you don't run like
hell on the outside to clear that side out. So
we have this overall coming underneath it and you halfway
through it and now you clut it up that area.
I can't trust you, right, I can't trust you out
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there with CD. I need him to get open, but
I need you to run this. We called for the
love of the game route for this particular time. So
those are the things that didn't look at going and in tear,
and you wanted to make sure as an individual that
you've done your job correctly and efficiently so that they
can see that, and that then yields for them to
give you some more playing time and some more playing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Rep right, and then on a so that's individually from
a macro level, the six pre snap penalties and then
bring you talked about some of the things that looked
like some of the same issues from the joint practice
last week. Defensively, well, everybody just not staying low and
just good leverage and pad level you know which, and
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when they say last week, keeping your eyes below the
chin right, make sure you're staying low well. When we
come back after this break, what I want is for Jesse,
if you wouldn't mind, I'd love for you to break
down what we saw from the young riber's and what
strides you think that they made in that game, and
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Speaker 3 (17:41):
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of practices in Oxnar, California, and the Cowboys are headed
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home on Thursday. And Jesse, we promised going into the
break that you would break down what you saw from
the wide receivers in Saturday nights thirty one to twenty
one lost to the Rams.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
What stood out to you?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yeah, the first and foremost is like when you're watching,
you know you're watching it, And I remember playing in
games where it's different from practice, right, Joe Milton, will
Grire and those guys they have unlimited time, right, so
even when they feel like they may be sacked, I
still kind of finished running my route and I get
a chance to catch the ball. But in the games
that doesn't necessarily happen. What I did see, you know,
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my focus when I came into this game. I did
want to see what Jayalen Tober did. I did. I
did want to see what the guys who were fighting
for those number three spots, right mingo, and I wanted
to see Ryan Filoinoy and then the one kid who's
been having a really good camp is Trey Shawn Holden. Yes, right,
And so you know, but we also have to understand,
like what happens in practice being able to take that
and translate it to the game. And I saw a
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lot of good things from the receivers winning at the
line of scrimmage, right. I talked about getting into your
routes and your depth. A lot of good things of that.
The problem is is that when you're when you're again
from the receiver position, we're counting for so many others
to do their job for us to get the ball.
And you know, one of the issues that Joe Milton
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has had in his career is just his his inaccuracy,
and and you saw that on display. But there was
a lot of good things. Man. There was a couple
double moves that were open. There was he missed a touchdown.
Joe Milton missed a guy wide open for a touchdown.
Uh in there. So the receivers were doing a lot
of good things right.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Like Flnoy he was wide deep on the.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Deep over right. It's like that, that's the one that
you gotta just com your noise, calm the feet, calm
yourself and just deliver it. That's a big play waiting
to happen. And that's a route that when you look
at this Cowboys offense, is a staple in this offense.
It's a staple in a lot of NFL offenses where
excuse me, where that deep over is coming. You want
get the ball into the hand of the receivers early
so he can try up the field. So a lot
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of good things that I saw at the line of scrims,
a lot of good things that I saw with getting
your depths getting there, and then you know, it's just
unfortunate that a lot of it wasn't rewarded with. And
this is no knock against Joe or Will or anybody,
but that was just the nature of the Beasts. And
it happens that way sometime in training camp. I mean
it's in preseason.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I tell you, I was talking with CD on the
sideline before the game, and you know, we knew the
starters weren't gonna play. Jalen Tolbert and Hunter Lipkey, depending
on if they opened in eleven or twelve, you know,
they would be you know, starters, those were the only two.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Lipkey didn't, he didn't, he didn't play. So, Jalen Tolbert,
who's your third receiver? I mean he was the only
one of like the normal starters that played. But do
you think that any of the young receivers did enough
to separate themselves or to really notch up one or
two or just because they didn't get the ball delivered
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to No.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
And here's a thing that, like, being a backup is
more than just receiver. And this is the thing that
we missed a lot of times, right, Like what else
can you Because we consistently talk about making the fifty three, well, great,
making the fifty three is great, You gotta make the
forty six because on game day they're only handing out
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forty six jerseys, right, And so how do I get
that number? And so when you start breaking it down
and looking at the totality of it, well, I know,
I gotta have nine offensive linemen, right, an offensive lineman
that's buyer NFL rules. So those guys are getting jerseys.
And now I gotta have a certain amount of linebackers
and defensive linemen and cornerbacks depending on who you're playing
and what the scheme is for that particular week, and
you have to come down to the decision. Why should
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I give you a game day jersey? What do you
present to us? What are you giving us that requires
you to have a jersey on game day? And if
you just being the number four wide receiver, the number
five wide receiver, that's not enough, right. And that's one
of the things that when you talk about Jalen Tobert, right,
can you run down on kickoff? Can you run down
on punt? Can you cover a punt? You don't?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And the guy like Jalen Brooks is your guy.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Brooks right, So those are the type of thing that
you want to see in addition to you being a
wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, and that's why it was so bad from the
perspective of your backup running backs and your backup defensive backs.
Who heck not if you're the number three, four or
five guy, but the number two on the depth chart
for running back is going to have to play teams
unless you see k Elliott or and especially the defensive backs.
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I mean, these are core guys. So Nick Sorenson, who
is the Cowboys special teams coordinator, yesterday lamented the fact
that the dearth of running backs so many injuries there
that he couldn't get an evaluation on a guy like
Jaden Blue to see what he could do in terms
of helping on special teams because and I don't just mean,
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you know, some reach earned, which Jayden did at Texas,
but you know he's having to play coverage.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Yeah, you've got to be a gunner, you gotta be
a you know, you gotta be a wing, a personal protector,
like all those positions matter in these games.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
I mentioned running back.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
What stood out to you, Bree in regards to that
at least at least duce Vaughn was back and got
a little bit of work.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, I saw some stuff from him.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And I think when we're talking about just overall, like
a duce Vaughn, a Keemon Hall, right, guys who have
been here and you're kind of looking for.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Like that jazz.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Like at the end of the day, these aren't starters
out there, So I feel like they have to start
to do impressive stuff in these preseason games for them
to really solidify themselves on this team. The running back group,
especially talking about Ducevon, I think he's been I don't
want to say disappearing, but he's got some guys on
him and I'm not going to get too carried away
with on the Malik Davis train like everyone else.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
That's an impressive. That's an impressive to him.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
He could have pouted after getting leased by the cow.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Right, was it like to it was the two days
prior to.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, he showed up on Friday morning, gets signed from Yeah,
practices a bit on Friday, and then it leads the
team with sixty three.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Ready so you don't have to get ready.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right Yeah, so you may not be on the train,
I'm not, but but I was like your overall thoughts
on running back though, Yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Whole I mean film off. Obviously he had some flashes. Definitely,
the guys this is what it's a little cliche, but.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
They came in.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
They took advantage of the opportunities. Right, you have a
Miles Sanders who's down right now. You're not gonna put
a Javonte Williams down in a group that's already limping
when they're going in. So I felt like those guys
I went in there had some good moments.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Dou Spawn.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You know, I wish I would have saw a little
bit more of that, you know that from him if
you will, because I just think he's got some competition
coming real close underneath him. So it's gonna be very
like a much like the wide receiver position I was
I said last week, I'd be if Jalen Tolbert was
out there. I feel like that would tell us a
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lot of what the coaches are, you know, how close
that competition actually is. So I was surprised to see
Jalen Tolbert out there as much as we did. And
then tray shot Holden is one of the camp favorites.
You know, he goes in the second half, and Brian
Schotenheimer after the game said, literally said that he earned
himself to get in there to move up in the
(25:23):
depth chat. We're talking about the preseason game and how
he's moving up. So I thought that was something eye opening,
even though, like Jesse said, this doesn't mean like, you know,
he's solidified in a certain spot, but I think he's
catching attention and he's being consistent. Something else that Schottenheimer
has said, you know, he can't just have a wide
receiver who has one good day or you know, two
days out of the week. He needs someone who's coming
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here and being consistent. And I think that's something that
Holden's specifically is showing. So now let's see what the
running back. And we've got two more preseason games, right,
we know who's not gonna be on the field, so
interested to see who's well.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Now, now here's a let me ask this, did what
we see what we saw on Saturday, Jesse, change your
mind or have you predict if we see the starters
in any series these last two games.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Starters. When you say.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Star, I mean I mean Dak, I mean Dak and
c D and George and and Tyler Smith and Cooper.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Some of those, right, like some of those. But if
I'm being totally honest, and Christy you've been You've been
here long enough to know this is that some of
those decisions don't necessarily always lie in the hands of
Brian Schottheimer. When you're talking about guys like Dak Prescott,
you're talking about guys like c D. Lamp right, those
guys who who the the.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
The hey, CD can't even stay healthy when it's not
getting freaking truck mansie.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I do think, I do think after seeing that game,
and and you know, and and and coach shotty is
is one who I'm not saying that he has rabbit ears,
but he hears right, like he is very very aware
of what people are saying. And I think having that
many guys last week not play in the preseason game,
(27:12):
especially we're talking about guys like Tyler Booker, right, like
Sam Williams, Cavante Turpin, like there are certain level guys
you go.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I was shocked when Booker walked out and didn't have his.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Pets, Like hold on, now, I'm like, what world do
we live in now where a healthy rookie gets to
not playing preseason games like you know, I'm again, I'm
from the school where the rookies go out there and
you don't come out until you throw up like that.
That's how many refs that you get like that, Like
that's how it goes, Like you, what have you done?
You've done nothing to stand next to Tyler Smith on
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the sideline in the preseason game one. You've done nothing
to stand next to Dak Prescott in preseason game number one.
You should be out there. So I think from that perspective,
you're going to see Shoddy kind of take a different
approach to it this go around, and you'll see a
lot of those guys out there CD, Dak maybe not
though I would like to though. I would like to
see those guys out there for series or two, you know,
(28:05):
because to play football is to get better at it,
like you want to get better at it. The reps
to come together in those situations. So but I get it,
I get it. You know, Jerry's talked about it. I
don't want to pay these guys all this money and
they get hurt, you know, So I get that part.
But I think we're going to see a much larger
contingency of players playing this week against the Philadelphia that's
(28:27):
a couple weeks away. I guess the Baltimore Raven. I'm
already gave like to get the week.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
One before we take our break because I want to
talk defense coming out of the next break. But Jesse,
do you have Joe Milton taken all the snaps the
rest of the way or do you see Will Career
getting a little more.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
We went down this road a little bit with Cooper
Rush and the Trey Lance situation, right, and I get
that they have to evaluate, but you know, Cooper Rush
even said he goes, I know that we were evaluating trade.
But I needed some of those reps, you know, I
need it. I needed some of that, some of that
preseason and get myself to rust off myself and get
myself together. I think that you're going to see still
see a lot more of Joe in this game. But
(29:09):
I do think Will will come in before the fourth quarter.
I do think you'll see I think you'll see Will earlier. Okay, wow,
yeah we saw last week.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, in the locker room after the game, after that
nice touchdown run, I'm like Lamar Jackson out.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
There game, he just rolled his eyes like I don't
think so.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm like, hey, they all count the same amount of
points for a touchdown. All right. When we come back,
We're going to break down the Cowboys defense from their
effort in the preseason opener at the Rams. This is
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Speaker 3 (32:18):
I'm Christie Scales and in this final segment for Girls
Talkboys Talk, this will be our last podcast for Girls
Talkboys Talk from Oxnard. We want to focus on the
defense and by I'll start with you whether you want
to start with a highlight or a low light impressions
of the defense in their first preseason game action.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I'll start with the positive, Okay, I'll start there.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I think if there was a game ball perhaps to
be given out, I would probably give it to Marris
lea foul. I just think going into a second year,
he's doing everything you want to see. That man was
flashing everything. He looked like his just football.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
IQ has just gone up.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
He's just playing the gaps well overthinking it wasn't I
saw like a few things here and there, but I
think overall everybody just wanted him to get out and
protect him, put him in bubble wrap. We're trying to
figure out why he was out there as long as
he was, but I'm very excited to see what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Some of the other linebackers, though, I think, struggled.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
Kind of just put a little bit added to that
to the Mary's leith. I got a chance to talk
to Mary, and I think you were standing right there
with him. We were talking to Maris at the girls
flag football game. And the thing that he talked about
being in this offense, he said, this feels like how
I played in college. So he says, I feel so
much more comfortable. It's a lot less thinking for me.
(33:36):
And that's not me saying that. He feels like he
can't figure this stuff out here. You know, to day
it's pretty good. Your Day recruited me till they came
in and saw my transcript and they was like, you
know what, you might not be cut out for us academically, Holly.
But Marris talked about he said, you know, under this,
under matt Ebosus and this defense, I am more free flowing.
My mind is at ease. I can play fast. And
(33:57):
so to your point, you're seeing Mary Leah Foul go
out there and play no point attendant like his hair
is on five because the way he wears his hair.
But he's playing fast, he's playing free. And you know
he spoke about that to me a two months ago.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, and this is the reason why I love Marris
she's talking about at the girls flag football event. So
that was the game Saturday night. He was one of
the highlights for the shore of the Cowboys. We got back.
That was a four o'clock kickoff Pacific time out here
in California. We got back on the team buses. We
were back here and Oxnard about nine to forty five.
(34:32):
The next morning at eight am, Maris Leah Foul and
Buddy Johnson, fellow linebacker, we're out here for a kid's
flag football event. That are that Whitney Faulkner and Danny
McCrae and put on out here. So they got up
after a long day. Then those two guys played a
(34:52):
lot on Saturday. But that speaks to the kind of
people that they are. So while teammates might have been
sleeping in or you know, maybe had some fun after
the getting back to Oxnarn. That's Marris Lea Foul and
the other one more Marris Lea Foul story. We did
a deal. This was last year as a rookie. The
rookie group came in and we were It was at
(35:14):
the Ford Center, the indoor practice field at the Star
and Frisco and it was for local elementary school, and
it was for integrating the special needs kids with their
classmates and kind of pe activities. So there was like
throwing the football, and there was running, and the Dallas
Cowboys cheerleaders were there, and there was one for dancing
(35:35):
and Maris. Each rookie was assigned to a different thing,
and Marist is over there with the cheerleaders, and bless his.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Heart, he's over there dancing.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And once once those little it was boys and girls,
little kids elementary school. Once those boys saw that the
Cowboy linebacker marys Lea Foul was dancing, they danced too.
So that's just the good, good, good good person.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, that he is.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
So I know we got off on Himarslia because so
so that was a high light, but definitely not everything
was a highlight.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
No, I guess I'll start with the cornerbacks. I think
again that's been a question mark that we've been talking about.
The first half was Andrew Booth's Dion Children's and I didn't.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
See a lot of positives. I just feel like.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
The rams kind of were able to do whatever they
wanted basically, But a lot of that also starts up front.
I saw a lot of double teams happening with our
interior alignment. Over half the reps looked like it was,
you know, going toward the rams.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I saw some.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Donovan Azrokuho. I saw him win some battles on the edge,
but lose some battles. So we said we were going
to keep an eye. You know, that's what you expect
at this point. So some good some bad there. I
noted Perry on Winfrey with someone. I felt like he
also didn't win all his one on ones, but I
felt like his energy, I like fa flashed a couple
of time. Yeah, like there was some good things there.
I think I have just nickel spot question mark that
(37:02):
was on my note. I think that's one of what
they're looking at right now. I don't think I don't
think they have an answer.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Whole secondary, you know, Keemon Hall, I thought Childres did
some okay things, I really did. But yeah, the defensive
back situation, Jesse and Robert Rochelle going down early in
that game with a hamstring. That was actually the first
series and he was going to get a very long look,
So that was very disappointing. But what did you think
(37:30):
of the secondary play?
Speaker 7 (37:32):
Not good not good when you when you think about
the way that the Rams marched up and down the
football field right both running and passing the ball, and
you know, they had receivers wide open. And you know,
we're not talking about this being Pola Nikola when I'm
talking about this being Davante Adam. We're talking about this
is their backups too. Yeah, And the difference is that
(37:53):
the guys that we're watching and evaluating the way our
injury situation is happening right now with the cornerback position,
these are guys who are potentially going to be out
there Thursday night against Philadelphia, And you think about, you know, yeah,
I know, you know, I know Doron Blam will be
out there, but Doron Bland can't cover AJ Brown and
(38:15):
can't cover Davonte Smith at the same time. And so
you look at that and you're saying, man, we have
a lot of questions. And the biggest thing that comes
out of these games is we enter training camp with
these questions about cornerback, about defensive you know lineman, about
offensive lineman, and we've yet to get a positive answer
(38:36):
to these questions.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Right as ween there are two more practices after today, right, so.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Like like we're heading back. We're headed back to Frisco
at the end of this week. And the question marks,
as you said, you said your notes, I got a
big question mark on Nickel, Like, the question still remains.
Are there going to be a good enough group of
guys to march out there for a week one of
the season. And I know it's a long season, but
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this is a group that we don't have answers for.
We don't know when Rubble's gonna be back, We don't
know when Digg's gonna be back. Right. They have one timeline,
they say one thing, a guy has a setback, they
have another timeline, another timeline, and then it moves again.
So it's a huge question. And these guys didn't leave
any coaches with the level of confidence that you know,
(39:24):
leaving that game they felt better about the position.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Let me add one more question in there for you.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Then, do you think that the third, fourth, or fifth
cornerback as it would lay out on the depth chart
for the opener September, is in Cowboys camp right now?
Or do you think that he's on another roster and
Cowboys are maybe gonna pick him off. I don't necessarily
mean with the trade. I mean, they're gonna be scouring
(39:53):
that waiver wire and my guess would be making claims
of defensive back O line. That's how it works in
the league. We talked about it last week. You are
auditioning in these preseason games, not just for your team,
but for thirty one other teams in the league.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
I agree with you. They're not on this roster. The
cornerback that the corner one of the cornerbacks that we
will probably march out with week one is currently not
in Oxnard, California. I believe that.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Let me ask you for your positives. Jesse, we talked
about Marist a little bit earlier. Were there some other
young guys or a position group that you thought, okay,
it was a little bit.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Better than I thought.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
You mentioned them Zion Childress he popped out, and a
friend of mine and a coworker by Jeff Kavanaugh. We were
watching the game together and you know, we kind of
both with each other sometime. It was like forty eight, right,
because the number sticks out right as a playoffs it
sticks out.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
On Mark's When when did Moose Johnston become a corner.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
I'm like, what a ill number? And but but it
stood out because of the number. I was like, stank number.
But I was looking. I was like, you know what,
this guy is showing up. So I think a guy
like Zion Childress could possibly earn hisself some more opportunities
during practice to go back to the offensive side. Uh
And and I'm stealing this from Jeff as well because
(41:19):
we talk a lot of it. But he talked about,
you know, Nate Thomas, you know, Nate Thomas having.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Some having left tackle, left tackle.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Right, and he was just talking about He's like, man,
you know because again you're you're evaluating technique, You're evaluating,
you know, how does this guy get off the line?
How was he holding it down? And Nate had played
about ten snaps and we talked about that, and he
was like, you know what, Nate Thomas is the guy
that you know, if Tyler Goyton doesn't get itself back
soon enough, you know, you get while he pipped around here,
you know, because guys are trying to find those you know,
(41:48):
those pasions to start. But then I enjoyed watching Phil MafA.
I enjoy watching film MafA. I thought his paths were high.
Coaches talked about that.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
But when you're back.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Well, really, anybody, you got to stay low because everybody
else they'll get their pads under you and you're going down.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
That's how strong you are. If you don't have the leverage,
you're going down.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
But looking at phild like he had some juice, he
had some bursts. I like. I like the size of Phil,
Like when you look at him, like he fits his
uniform good, like he feels it out good.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Yeah, he's like milk.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
You want him to get off the bus first, you know,
like when you pull up, like, hey, you get off
the bus first, you Tyler Smith, couple of y'all get
off the bus first. Intimidations. But he had some juice,
he had some good vision. Again, I want to keep
his pads down a little bit more. But the way
that he was running the football, I was like, you know,
I'm I'm not a posed to sing a little bit
more of what Phil MafA can do. He uh, he
(42:45):
picked my interest. I'm not saying that he's going to
be the guy, but Phil coming out of that preseason
game piqued my interest and I'm looking forward to seeing
some of that physical style running against a physical style
team in the Baltimore Ravens this upcoming week.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I like the way you say peaud my interest because
we have just a couple of minutes left here Again,
this is our final podcast for Girls Boys Talk from
out here in Auxnard.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
We arrived on.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
July twentieth, so it was full twenty six days by
the time we pull up stakes and head back on Thursday. So,
of what you've seen, of all of these practices of
the first preseason game, what has peaked your interest the most?
And it doesn't have to be positive. I mean it
may be maybe like, oh, may have caught your attention
(43:32):
in a not so good way, but bre what has
really stood out for you this camp? Well, it could
be a player or a position group or whatever.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
I think.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Honestly, what I was hoping to see and I didn't
see was Kyriel, Like that is someone who's been shining
at camp. It's someone who I've covered previously. I had
a quick conversation with someone who's worked with him in Buffalo,
and when I'm telling him he didn't play the preseason game,
he was like like shocked because he's like, are they
that certain that he's that guy?
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Because he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It's just not the it's night and day from what
was happening in Buffalo. So I'm hoping that he's on
the list next to Tyler Booker and seeing like even
ten snaps for Nate Thomas, I was hoping to see
some more of him. So I'm hoping that we see
some kyrielem because I've seen this story before and then
I've seen it not transferring games like super rooting for
(44:26):
this guy, super great human. I always he was always
one of the last ones to leave practice when he
wasn't getting that playing time.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
But I just think with this with the biggest question mark,
one of the biggest question marks.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
The cornerback room, and not seeing how he's metching, I
don't want to see what he looks like week one
in Philly.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Like with not he's not he's not a proven.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Guy yet yet.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well Bill Parcells would always say confidence comes from demonstrated
ability and have there been some good practices, yes, but
it's not it's not game action.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
So that's what.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I'm looking for preseason Game two. I'm hoping Shawnheimer is
going to give us some more looks of some other
people that we didn't see.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
Jesse, you know, Christy, I came into this training camp,
and I'm not to be a pessimist looking for answers.
I came in wanting, like, you don't tell me about CD, right,
I know, I know CD. He's gonna be fine. Right,
don't tell me about certain guys. I know what they're
gonna be. I know what they're going to be. But
(45:24):
I came into this training camp with so many questions
about what is this football team going to be? What
is the identity? You know, how is this Shoddy's talked
so much about this culture, how we're going to change
the culture, and this culture change, And as we're on
the brink of breaking camp and heading back to ox start,
none of those questions for me have been answered. You know,
(45:44):
you watched the first preseason game. You watch the joint practices,
and the same things are still a thorn in the
Cowboy side, the lack of physicalness up front, offensively and defensively.
We watched that game. Eleven penalties. This team for the
last couple of years have been just utterly ridiculous when
(46:06):
it comes to discipline and penalties in the game. The
first time you get a chance to go out there,
eleven penalties. Eleven penalties and one from your star receiver
who doesn't understand about being in the white. I get it,
it was a mistake, but it's those it's the small things.
Those are the determining factors of a team winning a
game and losing a game. Right had you go down
(46:28):
and you know, Phil MafA two really good runs in
the red zone but negated because your left tackle can't
get up on the line of scrimmage after being told
one time, you line back up and you're off the
ball again, and now you get another pick. So those
type of things, you know, I'm surprised. Thing that surprising
my interest is that we haven't gotten answers. We haven't
(46:50):
gotten answers. And you know, for a team that we're
looking at talking about having one of the toughest schedules
in the season, you know, in schedule in the NFL
this year, they haven't shown anything that makes me believe
that they're ready to take that on and be successful.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I mean the eleven penalty six of them were pre
snap as you mentioned, you know, with some of the.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
And that's that's not lining up again. So do you
still a Jason Garrett tern Line number one, he said,
Line umber one protect the ball, but line number one.
Learn what to line up, like, learn how to line up.
If you can't do that, then we can't play football.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Alignment assignment execution. Hopefully we'll see some starting Saturday with
the preseason home opener against Baltimore. We thank everyone for
watching and listening to these podcasts over the last three
and a half weeks here from Oxnard, Girls Talk, Boys Talk.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Will be back.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Next week and it'll be from the comfy confines of
the studio there at the Star.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
Jesse, thank you so much for dropping in.
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We'll see you next week from Frisco.
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome into Girls Talkboys Talk from Oxnard, California. This is
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Jesse Holly, mister fourth and long former Cowboys wide receiver,
(00:57):
and Jesse and I are Twinkies. Bree was there last
night as well, but the world premiere. It was literally
a Hollywood, not red carpet, but blue carpet for the
Netflix series which drops August nineteenth. It's going to be
eight episodes. It is America's Team, the Gambler and his Cowboys,
(01:20):
Jerry Jones, the entire Jones family, Michael Emmett Troy is
featured in it. Dion Sanders as well. It's about the
nineties cowboys and Bree. You were there along the blue
carpet as everyone was coming in Jesse and I got
a chance to see the show as well. What were
your thoughts of was it your first Hollywood premiere?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
It was, like you said, blue carpet, It was fun
to see all the stars coming in.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
You know, some of the national people you see every day.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That was my first time talking one on one with
both Michael and Emmett, and I was just like the
way they talk, It's like everything they said was like inspiring, right,
And I asked both of them the same question about
you know what do you hope people who like me
really who don't remember the Cowboys from the nineties because
I was too busy being born what it was like,
but kill us now, like.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
This is who it's for.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like he's like, you know, both of them, they were
like it was a different time, the locker rooms were different,
the game was different. And I asked both of them
if their nineties team and their prime could compete with
the top teams NFL, and both of those answered has
cuss words in it, but very dominantly, yes they can.
So I'm excited to see it this series, how it unfolds,
because I think, like I said, I think this is
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what the world needs to see.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I think it's long overdue for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Yeah, and it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
The Egyptian theater, Graman's Egyptian Theater right there on Hollywood Boulevard,
very old school, old field kind of of Hollywood. And
we said there are eight episodes. Now we got to
see the first ten minutes of episode one and then
all of episode three, which is basically concentrating on the
nineteen ninety two NFC Championship game where the upstart Cowboys
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go into San Francisco and defeat Steve Young, Bill Romanowski,
Jerry Rise that era the Bill Walsh San Francisco forty
nine ers. But then there are great cutbacks to Jerry
buying the team and his life from Arkansas and Jesse.
What were your thoughts on what you saw on screen?
Speaker 7 (03:27):
My initial thoughts were I said to myself, I said, damn,
he's done it again, meaning Jerry has figured out a
way to do it again. And unlike Brie, like you remember,
I remember those times right, And so it was something
to be said that we're watching this moment and we
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know the outcome, we know the play, we know the score,
we know how it ends. But every moment had me
on the edge of my seat. And I know people,
I know how, I know how social media gets right.
There will come on today and they will say, oh,
Jesse and Christian breathe, you're carrying the water for Jerry.
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You're being company men and women. And if you know me,
there's nothing about me that ever its company. I do
what I want, say what I want, how I want,
and just did whatever the consequences are. And I was
so thoroughly impressed at the cinematography, the way that they
put this thing together, the way that they flash back
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like we're like the scene took place in the middle
of the NFC Championship game, but you would flash back
to Jerry at Arkansas. You would flash back to Jerry
and his family on his ranch. You would flash back
to telling the story of how you know a lot
of the stories that we know.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
But to say about Jimmy Hoffati And.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
So it was cinematically it was phenomenal. It was absolutely
this is not me carrying water for the This is
like this is It was like I left and I
was just like I wanted to stay. I want to
show me another one. I want to see another one
because it was that could that impactful.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, it's a masterclass in storytelling. And another one of
our cowboy friends from Netflix. From Netflix, Greg Whiteley, who
was the director of the America Sweethearts, so the cheerleader version.
He was there last night and got to visit with him.
But it's just the production value, it's absolutely Yeah, they
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did the ones for Jerry's for the for the football part,
Greg did the one for the cheerleaders. But the way
that they can take so much information and put it
all together. But here's the thing you talk about saying, oh,
carry and water for Jerry and the team. Hey, if
you hate the Cowboys, you'll get a lot out of
this too. And what did you think of the show itself?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Bred So I actually didn't see it. I was working
the outside side doing stuff for TV. Yeah, so I'm
excited to see it. But I will say hearing what
Jesse said about kind of like that emotional appeal, that's
exactly what Michael and emmittt both said. They were like,
you know, this is about us, is about our lives,
and there's things that you know, you're gonna see that
have never really been seen before, and it brought back
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certain emotions to them and they lived it.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
So if you're saying that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Oh, yeah, I was there too, I was. I was
not the sideline reporter in the nineties. I was in
the radio booth, but I started in ninety one. You
hear great play calls from Brad Sham. Everything's all mixed
in and like you say, they sit down and they
interview Steve Young and Romanowski and Jerry Rice and it's.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Eddie de Bartelow is in it. So and it is.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's a masterclass. And I can't recommend it highly enough.
And the great thing about Netflix is unlike some of
the other streaming services where you have a series and
then there'll be an episode and you have to wait.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
A whole week.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Oh no, Netflix, Jackson, So just just plan the nineteen
You know that you're going to be up all night.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Yeah, So playing Corda it was.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
You know, and to kind of put a bowl on
the night it, you know, being there and having an
immit in the crowd and Michael and the crowd and Michael,
someone who I have a great relationship with. It was
you know, I look at them, and when you heard
Charles Haley speak and you know, on the video and
you watched Troy speak and all the people that were
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part of it, there was a feel like you understood
that team. You understood their determination, you understood their their
focus and their swagger, their swagger. They're just there. When
when when Michael uh said that there it was like
I'd rather die before I lose. And when he said it,
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you felt it like he said it in the screen
and you was like just watching it, You're like, oh,
y'all really meant that, Like you really meant that. This
This was I was willing to before I lose to
this football team. And you know, and we always want
to compare. It's always about a comparison thing, right like
why is this thirty years drought? And why this team
doesn't Those group of men. I'm just telling you, like,
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those group of men are different, are different, and I
know that we evolve and things change, but that group
and not only were there, they different, it was talented group.
Like like we talk about like Alvin Harved like this
afterthought Gova Harbor was the first round pick, you know
what I mean, Like like there was a talented talent
Charles Haley and you know that that offensive line with
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Nate Newton and step But like, that was a talented,
talented group and then they were coached at a such
a level. And I get it times are way different
and how you can coach players and how practices and
stuff go. But but the way Jimmy coached those guys
and the way they responded to Jimmy's coaching, it just
it's it's it's different. Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, it was a fun watch and we learned a lot.
And let's contrast that with Saturday at Sofi Stadium, which
was not so fun to watch from a Cowboys perspective,
I would say a lot of coaching points coming out
of that. But Brie, as you think about Saturday, what
were a couple of the main points that you took
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from that thirty one twenty one loss to the Rams.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I will say that I thought, Man Film Film is
gonna be tough for this team when they go back
in there. But I mean, to be to be fair,
it's preseason, right, I think everyone is like, Oh, it's
just you know, these aren't the starters, this is all
the backups or what have you. And there was some
guys who were going to get a lot of playing time.
They were out there, but I think if anything was concerning,
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they were also the Rams also had the backups out right,
so I'm looking at that as well. But I think
the biggest thing to see what we're all watching is
how how does Joel Milton go out there and hand
an engineer in this offense? The beginning of the game,
I was just like, it just looks so chaotic. He
just love, it's just not comfortable. You were hoping they would,
(10:03):
you know, get in some type of run game so
he could get comfortable and start flinging that ball around,
and that's just not what happened. Like the three and out,
they didn't get their first touchdown to the fourth quarter,
So they had.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
One total yard of offense in the first quarter. Yeah,
and so much for establishing a run game and they
go six straight throws.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So that offensively that was and then it just looked
like you go the other side of the wall, the
run defense, same issues. It looked like to me there
was a lot of double team happening to that interior
defensive line for US. One on ones weren't being met
for the edges, and it was just some of the
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stuff that was seeing in the joint practice kind of
transferred over to be honest, So you were kind of hoping,
and we talked about it that that was gonna be
We know it was gonna be about schemeing, it was
gonna be about individual matchups, and I just felt like,
again it went to the rams we're talking to, who
was winning majority of individual matchup.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
It wasn't all bad.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I did see flashes from certain people, and I know
we'll talk about those in a second, So there was
some good things to come out of it. But yeah,
a lot of the issues that we saw in the
joint practice I saw transfer over to Saturday and Jesse.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Before getting your specific thoughts from the game itself, rementioned
you know, all going in and the meetings and watching
film from something like that, your perspective, because you've been
one of these guys that has been battling for a
roster spot and just need in every rip that you
can get in a game.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
What's it like from that perspective.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And then you go into the meeting afterwards or the
film session after the.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Foremost when you're talking about from a personal perspective is,
you know, you try to do what your time it is, right,
and that's what football is. It's eleven individual assignments hoping
to be done collectively at the same time. Right, So
you hope first that I do what I was supposed
to do. And sometimes, as I as a receiver, I
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can't help if the offensive line blocked or not. I
can't help if the quarterback made the right read or not,
or through the ball we're supposed to. What I can
control is if my route was supposed to be a
twelve yard curl, then I go twelve yards and curl,
right Like, is that the part that I was supposed
to do? If coach watch film, did I win my
individual battle? And that's why you know, you'll hear coaches say, well,
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that's why they have coaches, because my rode receiver, coach
is looking for me to do a certain thing, My
officer courter is looking for me to do a certain thing.
And so when they go back to evaluate film, they're
looking at it as a whole, right, because that's their job,
but also individually, all right, we ask this guy to
do X, Y and Z, did he accomplish the mission?
We'll handle the rest of the stuff, but can we
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trust him to go out there and do that part.
So for the guys in these games, it's, you know,
do your job first and then we'll coach the rest
of it to make it come together as a unit.
So you know, you want to focus first on that,
and then the team part of it all is is,
you know, how can I help What's the next thing
that I can do to maybe help the quarterback do
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that or help the running game better? Did I get
all my blocks where I'm perfect on my reads? Was
there some sort of sight adjustment that I missed or
made in those particular things? So you're looking for that,
but you know, and then ultimately, yeah, you want to
make a player too. You want to go out there
and make a player too, and flash and go see
I can do this. I can't make the blocks, I
can't make the catches. I can do these things. Because
ultimately that's what the coaches want to see. They want
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to see who can go out there and make a play.
But lining up, assignment, alignment, depth, splits, all those things
are so vitally important. That's what they go and watch
when they go and watch film, when they're looking at
all right, can we trust this guy on Sunday? Right?
If you can't line up right, that's a line one, hey,
break the huddle? Know what a hell a line up at? Right?
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If you can't do that, If I can't trust you
to run ten yards and out because the rock requires
you to run ten yards and out, or if I
can't trust you that, hey, this time, this route might
not be for you. But if you don't run like
hell on the outside to clear that side out. So
we have this overall coming underneath it and you halfway
through it and now you clut it up that area.
I can't trust you, right, I can't trust you out
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there with CD. I need him to get open, but
I need you to run this. We called for the
love of the game route for this particular time. So
those are the things that didn't look at going and in tear,
and you wanted to make sure as an individual that
you've done your job correctly and efficiently so that they
can see that, and that then yields for them to
give you some more playing time and some more playing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Rep right, and then on a so that's individually from
a macro level, the six pre snap penalties and then
bring you talked about some of the things that looked
like some of the same issues from the joint practice
last week. Defensively, well, everybody just not staying low and
just good leverage and pad level you know which, and
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when they say last week, keeping your eyes below the
chin right, make sure you're staying low well. When we
come back after this break, what I want is for Jesse,
if you wouldn't mind, I'd love for you to break
down what we saw from the young riber's and what
strides you think that they made in that game, and
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Speaker 3 (17:41):
She's Brianna Aldridge, He's Jesse Holly, I'm Christy Scales. Nicole
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will be back together next week. Just two more days
of practices in Oxnar, California, and the Cowboys are headed
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home on Thursday. And Jesse, we promised going into the
break that you would break down what you saw from
the wide receivers in Saturday nights thirty one to twenty
one lost to the Rams.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
What stood out to you?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yeah, the first and foremost is like when you're watching,
you know you're watching it, And I remember playing in
games where it's different from practice, right, Joe Milton, will
Grire and those guys they have unlimited time, right, so
even when they feel like they may be sacked, I
still kind of finished running my route and I get
a chance to catch the ball. But in the games
that doesn't necessarily happen. What I did see, you know,
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my focus when I came into this game. I did
want to see what Jayalen Tober did. I did. I
did want to see what the guys who were fighting
for those number three spots, right mingo, and I wanted
to see Ryan Filoinoy and then the one kid who's
been having a really good camp is Trey Shawn Holden. Yes, right,
And so you know, but we also have to understand,
like what happens in practice being able to take that
and translate it to the game. And I saw a
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lot of good things from the receivers winning at the
line of scrimmage, right. I talked about getting into your
routes and your depth. A lot of good things of that.
The problem is is that when you're when you're again
from the receiver position, we're counting for so many others
to do their job for us to get the ball.
And you know, one of the issues that Joe Milton
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has had in his career is just his his inaccuracy,
and and you saw that on display. But there was
a lot of good things. Man. There was a couple
double moves that were open. There was he missed a touchdown.
Joe Milton missed a guy wide open for a touchdown.
Uh in there. So the receivers were doing a lot
of good things right.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Like Flnoy he was wide deep on the.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Deep over right. It's like that, that's the one that
you gotta just com your noise, calm the feet, calm
yourself and just deliver it. That's a big play waiting
to happen. And that's a route that when you look
at this Cowboys offense, is a staple in this offense.
It's a staple in a lot of NFL offenses where
excuse me, where that deep over is coming. You want
get the ball into the hand of the receivers early
so he can try up the field. So a lot
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of good things that I saw at the line of scrims,
a lot of good things that I saw with getting
your depths getting there, and then you know, it's just
unfortunate that a lot of it wasn't rewarded with. And
this is no knock against Joe or Will or anybody,
but that was just the nature of the Beasts. And
it happens that way sometime in training camp. I mean
it's in preseason.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I tell you, I was talking with CD on the
sideline before the game, and you know, we knew the
starters weren't gonna play. Jalen Tolbert and Hunter Lipkey, depending
on if they opened in eleven or twelve, you know,
they would be you know, starters, those were the only two.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Lipkey didn't, he didn't, he didn't play. So, Jalen Tolbert,
who's your third receiver? I mean he was the only
one of like the normal starters that played. But do
you think that any of the young receivers did enough
to separate themselves or to really notch up one or
two or just because they didn't get the ball delivered
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to No.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
And here's a thing that, like, being a backup is
more than just receiver. And this is the thing that
we missed a lot of times, right, Like what else
can you Because we consistently talk about making the fifty three, well, great,
making the fifty three is great, You gotta make the
forty six because on game day they're only handing out
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forty six jerseys, right, And so how do I get
that number? And so when you start breaking it down
and looking at the totality of it, well, I know,
I gotta have nine offensive linemen, right, an offensive lineman
that's buyer NFL rules. So those guys are getting jerseys.
And now I gotta have a certain amount of linebackers
and defensive linemen and cornerbacks depending on who you're playing
and what the scheme is for that particular week, and
you have to come down to the decision. Why should
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I give you a game day jersey? What do you
present to us? What are you giving us that requires
you to have a jersey on game day? And if
you just being the number four wide receiver, the number
five wide receiver, that's not enough, right. And that's one
of the things that when you talk about Jalen Tobert, right,
can you run down on kickoff? Can you run down
on punt? Can you cover a punt? You don't?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And the guy like Jalen Brooks is your guy.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Brooks right, So those are the type of thing that
you want to see in addition to you being a
wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, and that's why it was so bad from the
perspective of your backup running backs and your backup defensive backs.
Who heck not if you're the number three, four or
five guy, but the number two on the depth chart
for running back is going to have to play teams
unless you see k Elliott or and especially the defensive backs.
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I mean, these are core guys. So Nick Sorenson, who
is the Cowboys special teams coordinator, yesterday lamented the fact
that the dearth of running backs so many injuries there
that he couldn't get an evaluation on a guy like
Jaden Blue to see what he could do in terms
of helping on special teams because and I don't just mean,
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you know, some reach earned, which Jayden did at Texas,
but you know he's having to play coverage.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Yeah, you've got to be a gunner, you gotta be
a you know, you gotta be a wing, a personal protector,
like all those positions matter in these games.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
I mentioned running back.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
What stood out to you, Bree in regards to that
at least at least duce Vaughn was back and got
a little bit of work.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, I saw some stuff from him.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And I think when we're talking about just overall, like
a duce Vaughn, a Keemon Hall, right, guys who have
been here and you're kind of looking for.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Like that jazz.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Like at the end of the day, these aren't starters
out there, So I feel like they have to start
to do impressive stuff in these preseason games for them
to really solidify themselves on this team. The running back group,
especially talking about Ducevon, I think he's been I don't
want to say disappearing, but he's got some guys on
him and I'm not going to get too carried away
with on the Malik Davis train like everyone else.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
That's an impressive. That's an impressive to him.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
He could have pouted after getting leased by the cow.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Right, was it like to it was the two days
prior to.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, he showed up on Friday morning, gets signed from Yeah,
practices a bit on Friday, and then it leads the
team with sixty three.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Ready so you don't have to get ready.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right Yeah, so you may not be on the train,
I'm not, but but I was like your overall thoughts
on running back though, Yeah, the.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Whole I mean film off. Obviously he had some flashes. Definitely,
the guys this is what it's a little cliche, but.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
They came in.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
They took advantage of the opportunities. Right, you have a
Miles Sanders who's down right now. You're not gonna put
a Javonte Williams down in a group that's already limping
when they're going in. So I felt like those guys
I went in there had some good moments.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Dou Spawn.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
You know, I wish I would have saw a little
bit more of that, you know that from him if
you will, because I just think he's got some competition
coming real close underneath him. So it's gonna be very
like a much like the wide receiver position I was
I said last week, I'd be if Jalen Tolbert was
out there. I feel like that would tell us a
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lot of what the coaches are, you know, how close
that competition actually is. So I was surprised to see
Jalen Tolbert out there as much as we did. And
then tray shot Holden is one of the camp favorites.
You know, he goes in the second half, and Brian
Schotenheimer after the game said, literally said that he earned
himself to get in there to move up in the
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depth chat. We're talking about the preseason game and how
he's moving up. So I thought that was something eye opening,
even though, like Jesse said, this doesn't mean like, you know,
he's solidified in a certain spot, but I think he's
catching attention and he's being consistent. Something else that Schottenheimer
has said, you know, he can't just have a wide
receiver who has one good day or you know, two
days out of the week. He needs someone who's coming
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here and being consistent. And I think that's something that
Holden's specifically is showing. So now let's see what the
running back. And we've got two more preseason games, right,
we know who's not gonna be on the field, so
interested to see who's well.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Now, now here's a let me ask this, did what
we see what we saw on Saturday, Jesse, change your
mind or have you predict if we see the starters
in any series these last two games.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Starters. When you say.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Star, I mean I mean Dak, I mean Dak and
c D and George and and Tyler Smith and Cooper.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Some of those, right, like some of those. But if
I'm being totally honest, and Christy you've been You've been
here long enough to know this is that some of
those decisions don't necessarily always lie in the hands of
Brian Schottheimer. When you're talking about guys like Dak Prescott,
you're talking about guys like c D. Lamp right, those
guys who who the the.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
The hey, CD can't even stay healthy when it's not
getting freaking truck mansie.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I do think, I do think after seeing that game,
and and you know, and and and coach shotty is
is one who I'm not saying that he has rabbit ears,
but he hears right, like he is very very aware
of what people are saying. And I think having that
many guys last week not play in the preseason game,
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especially we're talking about guys like Tyler Booker, right, like
Sam Williams, Cavante Turpin, like there are certain level guys
you go.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I was shocked when Booker walked out and didn't have his.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Pets, Like hold on, now, I'm like, what world do
we live in now where a healthy rookie gets to
not playing preseason games like you know, I'm again, I'm
from the school where the rookies go out there and
you don't come out until you throw up like that.
That's how many refs that you get like that, Like
that's how it goes, Like you, what have you done?
You've done nothing to stand next to Tyler Smith on
(27:43):
the sideline in the preseason game one. You've done nothing
to stand next to Dak Prescott in preseason game number one.
You should be out there. So I think from that perspective,
you're going to see Shoddy kind of take a different
approach to it this go around, and you'll see a
lot of those guys out there CD, Dak maybe not
though I would like to though. I would like to
see those guys out there for series or two, you know,
(28:05):
because to play football is to get better at it,
like you want to get better at it. The reps
to come together in those situations. So but I get it,
I get it. You know, Jerry's talked about it. I
don't want to pay these guys all this money and
they get hurt, you know, So I get that part.
But I think we're going to see a much larger
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(28:27):
a couple weeks away. I guess the Baltimore Raven. I'm
already gave like to get the week.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
One before we take our break because I want to
talk defense coming out of the next break. But Jesse,
do you have Joe Milton taken all the snaps the
rest of the way or do you see Will Career
getting a little more.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
We went down this road a little bit with Cooper
Rush and the Trey Lance situation, right, and I get
that they have to evaluate, but you know, Cooper Rush
even said he goes, I know that we were evaluating trade.
But I needed some of those reps, you know, I
need it. I needed some of that, some of that
preseason and get myself to rust off myself and get
myself together. I think that you're going to see still
see a lot more of Joe in this game. But
(29:09):
I do think Will will come in before the fourth quarter.
I do think you'll see I think you'll see Will earlier. Okay, wow,
yeah we saw last week.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, in the locker room after the game, after that
nice touchdown run, I'm like Lamar Jackson out.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
There game, he just rolled his eyes like I don't
think so.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I'm like, hey, they all count the same amount of
points for a touchdown. All right. When we come back,
We're going to break down the Cowboys defense from their
effort in the preseason opener at the Rams. This is
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She's Brianna Aldridge, He's Jesse Holly.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I'm Christie Scales and in this final segment for Girls
Talkboys Talk, this will be our last podcast for Girls
Talkboys Talk from Oxnard. We want to focus on the
defense and by I'll start with you whether you want
to start with a highlight or a low light impressions
of the defense in their first preseason game action.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
I'll start with the positive, Okay, I'll start there.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I think if there was a game ball perhaps to
be given out, I would probably give it to Marris
lea foul. I just think going into a second year,
he's doing everything you want to see. That man was
flashing everything. He looked like his just football.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
IQ has just gone up.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
He's just playing the gaps well overthinking it wasn't I
saw like a few things here and there, but I
think overall everybody just wanted him to get out and
protect him, put him in bubble wrap. We're trying to
figure out why he was out there as long as
he was, but I'm very excited to see what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Some of the other linebackers, though, I think, struggled.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
Kind of just put a little bit added to that
to the Mary's leith. I got a chance to talk
to Mary, and I think you were standing right there
with him. We were talking to Maris at the girls
flag football game. And the thing that he talked about
being in this offense, he said, this feels like how
I played in college. So he says, I feel so
much more comfortable. It's a lot less thinking for me.
(33:36):
And that's not me saying that. He feels like he
can't figure this stuff out here. You know, to day
it's pretty good. Your Day recruited me till they came
in and saw my transcript and they was like, you
know what, you might not be cut out for us academically, Holly.
But Marris talked about he said, you know, under this,
under matt Ebosus and this defense, I am more free flowing.
My mind is at ease. I can play fast. And
(33:57):
so to your point, you're seeing Mary Leah Foul go
out there and play no point attendant like his hair
is on five because the way he wears his hair.
But he's playing fast, he's playing free. And you know
he spoke about that to me a two months ago.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, and this is the reason why I love Marris
she's talking about at the girls flag football event. So
that was the game Saturday night. He was one of
the highlights for the shore of the Cowboys. We got back.
That was a four o'clock kickoff Pacific time out here
in California. We got back on the team buses. We
were back here and Oxnard about nine to forty five.
(34:32):
The next morning at eight am, Maris Leah Foul and
Buddy Johnson, fellow linebacker, we're out here for a kid's
flag football event. That are that Whitney Faulkner and Danny
McCrae and put on out here. So they got up
after a long day. Then those two guys played a
(34:52):
lot on Saturday. But that speaks to the kind of
people that they are. So while teammates might have been
sleeping in or you know, maybe had some fun after
the getting back to Oxnarn. That's Marris Lea Foul and
the other one more Marris Lea Foul story. We did
a deal. This was last year as a rookie. The
rookie group came in and we were It was at
(35:14):
the Ford Center, the indoor practice field at the Star
and Frisco and it was for local elementary school, and
it was for integrating the special needs kids with their
classmates and kind of pe activities. So there was like
throwing the football, and there was running, and the Dallas
Cowboys cheerleaders were there, and there was one for dancing
(35:35):
and Maris. Each rookie was assigned to a different thing,
and Marist is over there with the cheerleaders, and bless his.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Heart, he's over there dancing.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And once once those little it was boys and girls,
little kids elementary school. Once those boys saw that the
Cowboy linebacker marys Lea Foul was dancing, they danced too.
So that's just the good, good, good good person.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, that he is.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
So I know we got off on Himarslia because so
so that was a high light, but definitely not everything
was a highlight.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
No, I guess I'll start with the cornerbacks. I think
again that's been a question mark that we've been talking about.
The first half was Andrew Booth's Dion Children's and I didn't.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
See a lot of positives. I just feel like.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
The rams kind of were able to do whatever they
wanted basically, But a lot of that also starts up front.
I saw a lot of double teams happening with our
interior alignment. Over half the reps looked like it was,
you know, going toward the rams.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I saw some.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Donovan Azrokuho. I saw him win some battles on the edge,
but lose some battles. So we said we were going
to keep an eye. You know, that's what you expect
at this point. So some good some bad there. I
noted Perry on Winfrey with someone. I felt like he
also didn't win all his one on ones, but I
felt like his energy, I like fa flashed a couple
of time. Yeah, like there was some good things there.
I think I have just nickel spot question mark that
(37:02):
was on my note. I think that's one of what
they're looking at right now. I don't think I don't
think they have an answer.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Whole secondary, you know, Keemon Hall, I thought Childres did
some okay things, I really did. But yeah, the defensive
back situation, Jesse and Robert Rochelle going down early in
that game with a hamstring. That was actually the first
series and he was going to get a very long look,
So that was very disappointing. But what did you think
(37:30):
of the secondary play?
Speaker 7 (37:32):
Not good not good when you when you think about
the way that the Rams marched up and down the
football field right both running and passing the ball, and
you know, they had receivers wide open. And you know,
we're not talking about this being Pola Nikola when I'm
talking about this being Davante Adam. We're talking about this
is their backups too. Yeah, And the difference is that
(37:53):
the guys that we're watching and evaluating the way our
injury situation is happening right now with the cornerback position,
these are guys who are potentially going to be out
there Thursday night against Philadelphia, And you think about, you know, yeah,
I know, you know, I know Doron Blam will be
out there, but Doron Bland can't cover AJ Brown and
(38:15):
can't cover Davonte Smith at the same time. And so
you look at that and you're saying, man, we have
a lot of questions. And the biggest thing that comes
out of these games is we enter training camp with
these questions about cornerback, about defensive you know lineman, about
offensive lineman, and we've yet to get a positive answer
(38:36):
to these questions.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Right as ween there are two more practices after today, right, so.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Like like we're heading back. We're headed back to Frisco
at the end of this week. And the question marks,
as you said, you said your notes, I got a
big question mark on Nickel, Like, the question still remains.
Are there going to be a good enough group of
guys to march out there for a week one of
the season. And I know it's a long season, but
(39:03):
this is a group that we don't have answers for.
We don't know when Rubble's gonna be back, We don't
know when Digg's gonna be back. Right. They have one timeline,
they say one thing, a guy has a setback, they
have another timeline, another timeline, and then it moves again.
So it's a huge question. And these guys didn't leave
any coaches with the level of confidence that you know,
(39:24):
leaving that game they felt better about the position.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
Let me add one more question in there for you.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Then, do you think that the third, fourth, or fifth
cornerback as it would lay out on the depth chart
for the opener September, is in Cowboys camp right now?
Or do you think that he's on another roster and
Cowboys are maybe gonna pick him off. I don't necessarily
mean with the trade. I mean, they're gonna be scouring
(39:53):
that waiver wire and my guess would be making claims
of defensive back O line. That's how it works in
the league. We talked about it last week. You are
auditioning in these preseason games, not just for your team,
but for thirty one other teams in the league.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
I agree with you. They're not on this roster. The
cornerback that the corner one of the cornerbacks that we
will probably march out with week one is currently not
in Oxnard, California. I believe that.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Let me ask you for your positives. Jesse, we talked
about Marist a little bit earlier. Were there some other
young guys or a position group that you thought, okay,
it was a little bit.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Better than I thought.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
You mentioned them Zion Childress he popped out, and a
friend of mine and a coworker by Jeff Kavanaugh. We were
watching the game together and you know, we kind of
both with each other sometime. It was like forty eight, right,
because the number sticks out right as a playoffs it
sticks out.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
On Mark's When when did Moose Johnston become a corner.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
I'm like, what a ill number? And but but it
stood out because of the number. I was like, stank number.
But I was looking. I was like, you know what,
this guy is showing up. So I think a guy
like Zion Childress could possibly earn hisself some more opportunities
during practice to go back to the offensive side. Uh
And and I'm stealing this from Jeff as well because
(41:19):
we talk a lot of it. But he talked about,
you know, Nate Thomas, you know, Nate Thomas having.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Some having left tackle, left tackle.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Right, and he was just talking about He's like, man,
you know because again you're you're evaluating technique, You're evaluating,
you know, how does this guy get off the line?
How was he holding it down? And Nate had played
about ten snaps and we talked about that, and he
was like, you know what, Nate Thomas is the guy
that you know, if Tyler Goyton doesn't get itself back
soon enough, you know, you get while he pipped around here,
you know, because guys are trying to find those you know,
(41:48):
those pasions to start. But then I enjoyed watching Phil MafA.
I enjoy watching film MafA. I thought his paths were high.
Coaches talked about that.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
But when you're back.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Well, really, anybody, you got to stay low because everybody
else they'll get their pads under you and you're going down.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
That's how strong you are. If you don't have the leverage,
you're going down.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
But looking at phild like he had some juice, he
had some bursts. I like. I like the size of Phil,
Like when you look at him, like he fits his
uniform good, like he feels it out good.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Yeah, he's like milk.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
You want him to get off the bus first, you know,
like when you pull up, like, hey, you get off
the bus first, you Tyler Smith, couple of y'all get
off the bus first. Intimidations. But he had some juice,
he had some good vision. Again, I want to keep
his pads down a little bit more. But the way
that he was running the football, I was like, you know,
I'm I'm not a posed to sing a little bit
more of what Phil MafA can do. He uh, he
(42:45):
picked my interest. I'm not saying that he's going to
be the guy, but Phil coming out of that preseason
game piqued my interest and I'm looking forward to seeing
some of that physical style running against a physical style
team in the Baltimore Ravens this upcoming week.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I like the way you say peaud my interest because
we have just a couple of minutes left here Again,
this is our final podcast for Girls Boys Talk from
out here in Auxnard.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
We arrived on.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
July twentieth, so it was full twenty six days by
the time we pull up stakes and head back on Thursday. So,
of what you've seen, of all of these practices of
the first preseason game, what has peaked your interest the most?
And it doesn't have to be positive. I mean it
may be maybe like, oh, may have caught your attention
(43:32):
in a not so good way, but bre what has
really stood out for you this camp? Well, it could
be a player or a position group or whatever.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
I think.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Honestly, what I was hoping to see and I didn't
see was Kyriel, Like that is someone who's been shining
at camp. It's someone who I've covered previously. I had
a quick conversation with someone who's worked with him in Buffalo,
and when I'm telling him he didn't play the preseason game,
he was like like shocked because he's like, are they
that certain that he's that guy?
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Because he wasn't.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It's just not the it's night and day from what
was happening in Buffalo. So I'm hoping that he's on
the list next to Tyler Booker and seeing like even
ten snaps for Nate Thomas, I was hoping to see
some more of him. So I'm hoping that we see
some kyrielem because I've seen this story before and then
I've seen it not transferring games like super rooting for
(44:26):
this guy, super great human. I always he was always
one of the last ones to leave practice when he
wasn't getting that playing time.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
But I just think with this with the biggest question mark,
one of the biggest question marks.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
The cornerback room, and not seeing how he's metching, I
don't want to see what he looks like week one
in Philly.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Like with not he's not he's not a proven.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Guy yet yet.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Well Bill Parcells would always say confidence comes from demonstrated
ability and have there been some good practices, yes, but
it's not it's not game action.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
So that's what.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
I'm looking for preseason Game two. I'm hoping Shawnheimer is
going to give us some more looks of some other
people that we didn't see.
Speaker 7 (45:03):
Jesse, you know, Christy, I came into this training camp,
and I'm not to be a pessimist looking for answers.
I came in wanting, like, you don't tell me about CD, right,
I know, I know CD. He's gonna be fine. Right,
don't tell me about certain guys. I know what they're
gonna be. I know what they're going to be. But
(45:24):
I came into this training camp with so many questions
about what is this football team going to be? What
is the identity? You know, how is this Shoddy's talked
so much about this culture, how we're going to change
the culture, and this culture change, And as we're on
the brink of breaking camp and heading back to ox start,
none of those questions for me have been answered. You know,
(45:44):
you watched the first preseason game. You watch the joint practices,
and the same things are still a thorn in the
Cowboy side, the lack of physicalness up front, offensively and defensively.
We watched that game. Eleven penalties. This team for the
last couple of years have been just utterly ridiculous when
(46:06):
it comes to discipline and penalties in the game. The
first time you get a chance to go out there,
eleven penalties. Eleven penalties and one from your star receiver
who doesn't understand about being in the white. I get it,
it was a mistake, but it's those it's the small things.
Those are the determining factors of a team winning a
game and losing a game. Right had you go down
(46:28):
and you know, Phil MafA two really good runs in
the red zone but negated because your left tackle can't
get up on the line of scrimmage after being told
one time, you line back up and you're off the
ball again, and now you get another pick. So those
type of things, you know, I'm surprised. Thing that surprising
my interest is that we haven't gotten answers. We haven't
(46:50):
gotten answers. And you know, for a team that we're
looking at talking about having one of the toughest schedules
in the season, you know, in schedule in the NFL
this year, they haven't shown anything that makes me believe
that they're ready to take that on and be successful.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
I mean the eleven penalty six of them were pre
snap as you mentioned, you know, with some of the.
Speaker 7 (47:12):
And that's that's not lining up again. So do you
still a Jason Garrett tern Line number one, he said,
Line umber one protect the ball, but line number one.
Learn what to line up, like, learn how to line up.
If you can't do that, then we can't play football.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Alignment assignment execution. Hopefully we'll see some starting Saturday with
the preseason home opener against Baltimore. We thank everyone for
watching and listening to these podcasts over the last three
and a half weeks here from Oxnard, Girls Talk, Boys Talk.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Will be back.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Next week and it'll be from the comfy confines of
the studio there at the Star.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
Jesse, thank you so much for dropping in.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
The boy of our Girls Talk, Boy Talk, Gree, thank
you so much everyone, thanks for watching.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
We'll see you next week from Frisco.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
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