December 9, 2025 • 50 mins
Want to know what goes on behind the scenes? Jesse and Nate are here to tell you. Like, how much are players paying attention to social media? Why do they bother responding to criticism? And is the veteran leadership the same as it was decades ago? Who is providing guidance, motivation? Do players today communicate as much as they used to? Even with each other? It’s a fascinating look inside.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Dallas Cowboys Football Club, blowing out.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Of the backfield, next flowing down the sideline.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
He is hanging with the boys. Now your hosts.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Shannon, you are looking live at four of the most
handsome gentlemen you will see on your screens today. It
is fifty nine degrees outside. Can you believe this? Sixty
two degrees is the high. Thirty nine is the low.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He is Shannon, that is Nate, This is Kurt. One
pump Damiels, because two pumps will get you a flag
in the back. Not Chris Bean and we know why
because you haven't changed his sign up here Josh, and
we don't do a show with that name on the side.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Come on, just start hitting buttons.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Come on, man, I am the the scruntle, salt and
pepper coffee together.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
If you know, you don't know, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
If you don't know, that's too damn bad.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Together. You ain't do nothing. No, you didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Together. We may hanging with the boys, the sports talking couple,
the brow people.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
When we speak and then.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Wakes up is here? How are we doing today?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Gook?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Well? I guess since we can't even get the background
swapped out, man, phone calls are out the window.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Yeah, oh man, that's funny. Man, there we go.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay, John, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Look at it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You can leave the other ones up.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
That's fine. Yeah, it was just that. Oh boy, home.
Where's Chris today? Josh?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He took off a special assignment you know, Chris, do
those special assignments something?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, it's something brew You didn't get a heads up
text or nothing. Okay, all right, well guess what what?
Still the Dallas Cowboys still got a chance, still got
some hope, still got a chance. It's the circus of
that star. Like, what's what's the percentage at now?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
After their lost like ten?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I think it was seven going into last night. Now
it's up to ten. But you're saying there's a chance.
It's a small one, but there still is because the
Eagles do not look like they're functioning at.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
A at a high level right now. They don't. But
there their schedule favor.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
They where they have last Vegas Vegas commanders and twice bills.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Commanders lose that the commanders lose to the bills.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Still need one more, we need one more?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
What do they say, what do they say? That's why
you play the game, right, any given Sunday? We need
Thursday or Saturday, because right now there what eight eight, four,
eight six or eight and five, eight and five?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
We need we need three? We needn't. Well, if we
went out, gotter be four.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
They got to lose at least two, and then if
we tie, we've got the half game, right.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, not above them.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
I don't know how that will play out.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It'll go to common opponents. I believe to lose, have
to lose three, lose three out.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
And we got to win out.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But you know what, guess what that does? Makes you
tune in every week until we lose that.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Yes, we love that too.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
We're still in it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, we really love We do love.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
It because we would have absolutely nothing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Because no playoffs. You know, pull the pluck quick.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Oh yeah, Derry pull. Season's over on Sunday. We have
a show on Monday. We're out on Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Once a week.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
We don't even get to say by to each other.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Derry pull, yeah, go out of town. What do you
want to talk about? Kurt? You got a whole bunch
of bullet points.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Don't you run the show?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Today, I don't you don't want to run the show.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Nobody want to work today, Chris don't want to work now,
you don't want to work, Shanning, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I don't want to work?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I had right before the show.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
We wanted to wait on you.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's special teams and we turn problem or coverage blocking problem?
Does he needs to take a few reps on our fits?
That is by way of Kirk Daniels one pump.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you said it because I
got I was Yeah, I was told Machavante on Twitter
to uh.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Oh he talked to you. Yeah, yeah, he reached out. Yeah,
what did he tell you?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I reached out? But uh, you know what, never mind,
I'll just say this, Kurt.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Was it in the public domain or did he d
m you?
Speaker 6 (05:01):
What did me?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Okay, so what do he saying? No, it's in the
public domain.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You can say it, but okay, look at look at me.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Let me, Kirk go look it up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And you okay, Well, since we can't get that one,
Pickens went at Sherman in a post and has since
deleted it. Is it okay for players to respond when
they're getting criticized.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I got to just take it. You know what.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think that's a great conversation because I think we
have maybe two different perspectives because Nate, you came up
at a time where there was absolutely.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
No social media and no response.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
We could not respond like you, you had to kind
of see the reporter face to face in the locker
room if he or she.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Why couldn't you respond public? Was that a Jimmy thing?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Or it was it was a phone this thing.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Because if you said something ugly to the reporter, he's
just not going to republish it, right, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And I like I came into the league that wasn't
social media. But on my way out was when the
rise of social media came. And what year was that, brother,
Jess what social media? I mean Twitter opened up in
two thousand and nine?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Did you ever think because I transitioned over from merchandising
in two thousand and ten, and at that time, guys
didn't want to have anything to do with the guys
that were in the league, they didn't want to have
anything to do with it. But then you know, your
junior high and your college kids started using it and
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they as they were in college when they came into
the league, they were using it, they were talking. Did
you ever think it would get to the point because
you were at the front end of all that, Do
you ever think it would get to the point where
it is now? Or do you think the locker room
would be still kind of we're players, we don't put
our business out there. It's not get like it's messy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Now Here's the thing that I've always said to people,
And you will never really truly understand this. And this
is not me trying to like, you know, well, I
was in the locker room, but you really won't truly
understand this unless you were in the locker room. Some
of these big, strong, athletic, ginormous Greek god looking human
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beings that you guys cheer for each and every Sunday,
a lot of these dudes are sensitive. Ah, a lot
of these dudes have small, fragile eagles egos.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
And you would be shocked.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You would be shocked at the people that you see
on Sunday who in the locker room behind some of
those closed doors are some of the most weak minded
and fragile human beings ever.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
But they can still rip your head off. But they
just have feelings, you know what.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And even that's even that's different. Even that's different because
a lot of dudes who play football, which is a
very physical and violent game, there's a lot of dudes
who are.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Soft.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I'm telling you, there's a lot of dudes who have
all the muscles packed on top of each other and
are soft. Are O f capital What.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Percentage would you say in the locker room is like that?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Because because you need all five percent, all right? Because you,
me and Nick have always had this this ongoing conversation
and I think we've talked about on the show. You
got your alphas right. You can't have a locker room
full of alphas.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
It just doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
So you have your alpha set and then you have
the good guys, and then you have the a holes
and then when.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You get out foot are different from Nate's era of alphas.
I think Nate's era of alphas would bite the head
off the shoulders of this era alphas, not all of them,
not all of them, but the alpha man is different now,
it is It is different, like because I like I was,
(09:02):
like I was raised by like the alphas that Nate
played with, Like those are the people that helped raise me.
So I kind of got a little bit of that,
and then my career ended with more of today level alphas.
And they're not the same. They're not the same. They
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aren't the same. They aren't the same in approach, they
aren't the same in mentality, they aren't the same in
uh strength, mental and physical fortitude. They just aren't the same.
And this is not everybody. I'm saying, the large majority.
It's different. And that's why you see guys as a
(09:45):
young kid say now crash out more so and they
And this is because this has given a lot of
these guys because they like to say a lot of times,
oh the fids wouldn't say that if they will do
a lot of them won't say it either. A lot
of them wouldn't say to you. But this is giving
them a space.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think George might be one of them. The mighty
say it. I think George might be one of them
to crash out in real life. You know what I'm saying.
There's a couple of dude now that I feel like
he go crash out of real life. There's a couple
of dudes down there that I know for a fact, Oh,
they'll talk, or they'll talk a good game on this.
They will talk. You will think this is the you
think it's John Jones behind this. But they had to
(10:29):
by themselves quite as a church mouse peeing on cotton.
I'm just telling you, Nate, if you got anything you
want to ask.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Now, you you covered up.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I don't, you know, I don't expect it. That's why
I do not approach a lot of players, because my conversation, uh,
it's too simple, you know. Like I was trying to
tell these shot gentlemen about past sets yesterday and just
(11:04):
casual the way some of these guys just so casual
with the way they do things. And then when they
mess up, they walk back to the to the to
the to the bench, and the camera be on them
and it's like nothing never happened. You know, you just
got your quarterback blind side, almost head almost taken off,
(11:27):
and you sitting over there like, oh well, okay, move
on to the next series. I just be like, wow,
least frown up a little bit, like it hurts you,
like it hurts you. I mean, I'm getting them some sacksoy.
I couldn't even look Troy in the face. I'm like
oh you know what I'm saying. I couldn't even look
him in the faith, couldn't wait to get back out
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there again and show that this is not who I wow.
It's just but you know what, it is accepted, and
it's accepted around the league.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I mean, hey, I.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Did my best around the world.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
I gave up full sacks. I did be come on, man.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And I think this is just this is just the
era that we're in. You have to accept it. What
I like for because here's what I know for also
for to be a fact, jokers go out they way
to search your name on these social media platforms like
go out your way, like go out your way. They
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do it at halftime. I mean, we all remember we
are not too long ago. We all remember, Yeah, these
nuts situation, how that happen you? You you go and
look at high school, look at college, look at pros.
These cats are coming in at halftime and searching it
out in the middle of a game. The game is over,
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the sweat hadn't even stopped. The sweat beads haven't even
stopped trickling down your face. You run back to the
locker room and you checking to see what folks said
about you that that mentality I struggle to understand.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
But didn't you always have that though? Didn't you have
guys that, like, when the game's over, they're checked out,
they're not thinking about the game. You just didn't have
access to put your thoughts out after the game, Like
didn't you guys play with guys that like they played
and when they were done, they were thinking about I'm
going to the club, or like the game was over,
they didn't sit in their locker and some guys sit
in it. Some guys just now you have that to
(13:28):
where you've always had those guys that that mentality, You
just didn't have the access to put it out there?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Right?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Or has this changed the mentality of the pro athlete.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's where your leadership has to has to be dominant,
and it can't just be a coach. That's where the
leadership guys to be the right people. You have to
draft and sign the right people. And this guy, we
all can agree and we ain't gonna have to debate.
(14:00):
If boy, if if everybody had overshown or Dak's mentality,
I'm talking about the love of the game, well you
would have. You would have a team full of just
I mean, you would have a team full of it,
but everybody don't have.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
That love for the game.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And I ain't saying you, you know, I don't hold
it against the guy When they come to the sidelines smiling,
it don't look good, But I don't hold it against
them because you don't know what's in their mind and
what's going on in their head.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
But when when you.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Hear Overshown talk, you know it's some love there. When
you hear Dak talk, you know it's some caring and
love there, and you see it and you see it.
But with a lot of guys, it's just it's so carefree, man,
you know. And I used to be one of them
guys that would you know. When I first got to
the Cowboys, I was just so excited about being a Cowboy,
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you know, just my team. I grew up, but I
did not understand what it took to be a professional.
And then I started watching professionals. I'm like, well, I'm
way out of line, you know.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
And it took me a few years, but I got there.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And that's what I'm hoping that this new leadership will
teach guys how to be professional. This is your job,
this is how you have anything that you want monetarily wise,
this is how you get it, and so you just
pray that guys can see it.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Man.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I mean, that's that's something that surprised me. They don't
see it because I recognize that they you know, they
want to want to get back at the haters, you know,
and call them out or whatever. But they are the
ones that always come out looking bad in the end.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Yeah, because it's one of you. Yeah, and hundreds of thousands, yeh.
I would think that would keep them from See.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
There's Chris Bean he a lot of game, you know
a lot of game. Chris being on a lot of game.
About that, Chris maybe be anybody about hand. Heal a
lot of games. You know what I'm saying, you know,
Chris being no a lot of game.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
But Jess's so it's so right. I mean, I'm sitting
here saying, I wish I could.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Say nah, Jesse, nah.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But it's just too bad when you can't say this guy,
this guy, you know, when you said thirty forty percent.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I'm like, and I'm like, wow, you're right, these guys
you have to care.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't care what like Jimmy's telling I don't care
what that carry is that drives.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You to be the best. I don't care what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You're doing it for your mama, You're doing it for
your girlfriend, You're doing it for all your family members.
But whatever that drive is, turn it on right now.
Whatever that drive is, you love the money, turn it
on and keep it on.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Because that's what we need to win.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Whatever that drive is, I don't care what it is,
legally long is that drive?
Speaker 6 (16:56):
You know what I'm saying, Keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But but see, I love Dak's approach when it comes
to like social media stuff, like think about like he's
probably it might be the most most criticized dude in
all of sports. Maybe he Lebron. I don't know if
there's more. I don't know if there's more in any sport.
I don't know that. I don't know if there's a
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dude more criticized, Maybe Lebron Nico. Only a certain section
of people hate Nico. That's regional. That's a regional thing,
you know what I'm saying. But like, because I believe you,
right now, people in New York, they don't give a
dam about Nico. People don't don't care about Nicol.
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to lunch. No, Josh has already been the one with Derek.
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Speaker 6 (18:14):
Yea to you. Uh, what's up?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
You got Jesse all thrown off at the beginning of
the show. Show Josh how to change the backdrops out
next time? Oh yeah, oh the ones behind you?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, we're good. He'll be good. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Look he left that other show up there.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, he had to hit some buttons and did oh
that one right there? Did you see when did you see?
Whenever you were talking, Josh was messed with the cameras,
all the cameras, all the cameras. Welcome, Welcome to the show, Chris. Yeah, yeah,
appreciate you guys. Hey, you know what, let's.
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All right, we were talking about players and social media
and softness and all kinds of things. I have a
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question that's related to that. How many you make it
to this level? You're obviously the elite of the elite talent.
Even if you're a practice squad guy, you're the best
of the best. Right, there's only what three hundred and
something of how many of these job fifteen hundred these jobs.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
How many guys do you think have elite talent could
be a starter in this league? Because there's and I
don't know about the other sports, but I've been around football,
and I would think that football is probably one of
the most scheduled and strictly structured sports there are. Because
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you come in the building at this time, you go
from here, a lot of hand holding, right, But there's
still a lot of stuff outside of football that you
have to manage, right, family, friends, study time, what you're
doing in your private time, your diet, you know, there's
still other things. How many guys do you think have
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talent that could have had a long career in the
league that all the other and I'm not talking about
the you know, I'm not talking about getting in legal
trouble or anything like that. But I'm just talking about
if they just would have been disciplined and they would
have lived football like Overshown and Dak like it's a lifestyle,
like you have to commit to that lifestyle.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
You have to commit to every part of it.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
And I think we're Overshown and Dak stand out and
that commitment is they're committed to being good teammates, and
they're committed to knowing what to say and when to
say it and how to you know, some guys get
it all, but they don't get that part and they
become a distraction things like that. How many guys do
you think have elite talent that could have been a
top player in the league that all the other stuff
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just sidetracked them.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's got to be at least two or three on
every team that could have been that. Yeah, there's got
to be at least too. And I'm I'm I'm maybe
even shorten it, like I maybe even not even giving
it enough justice.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Because that's part of it, right, That's part of becoming
a pro athlete at a high level is managing that.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
That might be the biggest part of it, to be
one hundred percent honest, like, because the talent will take
care of itself. You got here because that talent is there.
And what keeps the talent there and grows the talent
is your you becoming disciplined enough to handle all the
other ancillary stuff, all that other stuff that happens to
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keep to feed that beast. A lot of guys will
just rely on that talent because it's gotten them this far,
and so they've never had to really tap into that
other part. And you know, this is where locker room
veteran leadership is key, not only for your team, but
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just for the the brotherhood, the passing along the baton
to the next person, of helping you understand what all
that stuff is because you because the worst thing that
can happen is you take a kid that's im mentally
talented and then you put him in the room with
a bunch of slappies and you're like, man, like, this
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kid is never going to learn the parts that we
really need them to learn and take that to the
next level because what we have around him isn't doesn't
afford him that ability to do so, you know. And
you can take the opposite way where you start seeing
like a lineage of a position group that just grows
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and grows and grows over time. It's because those that
came before him, they they set the standard and about
how they went about their business, about how to do it,
what it looks like. And it's a day in, day out.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
This is what we do as a group on this
time we're on.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But not even that part of it. But just like yo, hey,
you might need you know, you need to get this part.
You need to get the workout part of this, You
need to get all those other things to get those
things in line. It just helps out, you know. And
and football might be out of all the major sports,
football might be the one with the least amount of
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those vets that are still left around. Like basketball, they'll
keep the man, the fourteen to fifteen dude on the
basketball team an NBA team, he might just be that
wially o vet. That's someone who can I saw the
other day, and this is to my point. I saw
the other day the MAVs were playing the Heat and
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a Heat bench player was up in like blatantly disrespecting
Klay Thompson. Now I feel with Klay Thompson as ever
he down in his career. But Klay Thompson is one
of the greatest shooters this league has ever seen. Paired
up with Steph Curry, they were the greatest shooting duo
in NBA history. Three four time champion, will be a
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future Hall of Famer. And here's this guy who's barely
making the roster on the Miami Heat team like calling
them a bum be, like a bum female dog. After
the game was over. Koran Butler, who was a longtime
player in this league, who's now an assistant on the
Miami Heats. But he's like that vet dude. They call
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him tough juice like Butler grabbed a young player and
walks him to go apologize to Klay Thompson. He grabbed,
He grabbed the young player, walked him, grabbed, and Clay
didn't want to do it at first, and he saw
who it was. He saw it was it was Koran,
and he was a He gave Koran that respect and
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he stopped and he listened and Karan made the young
player apologize to him because he's like, oh, you don't
disrespect this guy. This guy has been a statement in
this league for ten plus years. He's won championships and
guess what, one day you might want to call him
and say, can you show me how you work? Can
you show me how to shoot better? What are some
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of the things that he was like, Yo, you don't
burn that bridge because you want to be one of
these young street punks to just say. But it's players
like that and people like that in organizations that allow
you to grow in certain areas. And I think the
NFL is one of those leagues now where you don't
see a lot of that. Nowadays, you don't see a
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lot of the dudes in the locker room who will
grab Because I've said this time before and this is
one of my like when I was criticizing Micah and
this is all before he got traded, and this is nothing.
This is you gotta remember, like a year or two ago,
they were coming, y'all, were all of you who was like, yeah,
I'm glad Michael's gone. All of you were coming from
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my dome about a year or two ago when I
criticized Micah as being a leader of this defense, and
I was like, man, this is the guy that has
to be able when things were going wrong. This was
the guy that has to go. Hey, defense, we're not
going anywhere when practice is over, when meetings are over,
we're gonna come meet as a as a unit together.
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See it's different when I say it, they're like, man,
get out of here. But when your leader says it,
now everyone falls in line and the league has less
of those.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Did you have him when you were here when you
were playing?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, Like I told you guys all the time, my
VET was Patrick Crayton. And I've told the story before
when I was trying to learn this office and I
was trying to figure this stuff out and I had
the little cheat sheet tucked away in my in my
in my practice pants and he caught me and he
snatched it out and he ripped it up and he
told me, he said, you know this stuff. He said,
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you know this. But even even before that, he told
me said learn everything. He said, I know, coach told
you to be Z learn X learn Why learn h
Because what's gonna happen is practices are gonna run long
guys are gonna get hurt. Somebody's gonna run two gol
routes back to back, and coach is gonna turn around
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and go, I need an X. Now, you know coach
already told you just learned Z. But imagine when he
turns around and says, hey, I need an X, and
you go, I got it. And he looks at you
and he goes, but I told you to learn Z,
and I go, I know, but X two And then
you go out there and you perform it. He doesn't
forget that. But if he turns around and you go,
I need an X, and you're looking at him and
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you turn around, you're looking for X two because you
didn't take the initiative. But that keeps you on a
roster another year, another two years, that coach leaves and
goes somewhere else, and he goes, go get me that guy.
This is why you see guys stick around in the league.
You're like, you know, Matthew Slater from the Patriots spent
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fifteen years in this league. Not because I think Matthew
Slater finished his career fifteen years and he might have
had under seventy five recept total receptions did fifteen years
in the league, went to the Pro Bowl a bunch
of times for a special team c J.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Goodman.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
C J good went here. People are like, well, why
can't see the good with nah? This is why? This
is why like and that was one of the things
that like, you go and you asks a guy. You
go and you asks a guy like Phillip Tanner. You
go and you ask a guy like Dwayne Harris, You
go and you ask a got go ask Daddy McCrae.
When those guys came to the team, especially when it
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came to special teams, I felt like I was the
old vet. So I was pouring gaming at these dudes like, Yo,
come on, let's go watch film. Hey, let me show
you how to do this in practice, and those guys
to tell you to this day, they'd be like Barry
told the other day on the on the on the show,
he was like, man.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
We hated it going up against Jesse because.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
We knew what we had to bring every single day.
You knew it wasn't going to be a cakewalk or
walk through. It was going to be one hundred miles
an hour every single day. And so that part of
the veteran that's dying in the naty.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Do you why do you think in the NFL that's
going away.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Because you don't have natural leaders coming along. You have
more selfish that just sensitive dudes all about. That's generational,
that's that's how they're being brought up. No one's being
brought up to to like this.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Phones right, there's less interaction, less learning, that's less learned,
like less hands on experience. Like you know, most of us.
I'll speak for me, we were last key kids. You
had to figure it out. Your parents was off working
a double.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Hey you seven eight years old, You got a key,
You know how to get home, you know how to
figure it out.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
You missed the bus, Oh well walk right.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Like for me, I was eight years old taking care
of a seven year old little brother. Talk about responsibility.
So like that level of just and now these kids
and parents, and I'm not talking about anyone's parents, but
they want to be friendly. They want to be we
want to be buddy, buddy six to even y'all want
to be that. And there's so the leadership is taking
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such a major hit because no one, no one's building
and growing leaders anymore. Now kids in college, the NIL
is showing up and everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Now the mothers and fathers are actually quitting jobs and
going to schools.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
With the key.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
But the kids, my.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Kids to practice and picking them up. So there's a
there's a lot the.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Kids are now supporting the parents, you know, they're they're
now you know, so a lot of that just you know,
and I don't I'm not trying to get on a
soapbox or anything like that and how that relates to football,
But you're talking about the athletes. The athletic genetics will
always be there. But the type of kids that we are,
like like Dak Prescott is a rare breed, Like it's
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a rare breed. He's like one of the last of
the Mohicans, you know what I'm saying, Like that had
came up in a generation now where the leadership for
him is just superb and you don't get that a
lot of times. You know, like look at the quarterback
last night that through four interceptions in the you know,
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he ain't that. He don't lead like that. You don't
see him. You know Tonack's point, he goes to the sideline.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
He likes it, almost sleeping. I thit second interception, you
know what you don't.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You don't have you don't have a bunch of leader
of men. We put a lot of that onus, on
the coach and rightfully so, right like the coaches that
is supposed to be that. But just like man leader
of men and men in the locker room that people
actually want to follow. You don't see that a lot
of times in the league. Now you just see you
see a bunch of individuals who want to do it
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their way, who want to who don't want to collaborate,
who who when things aren't going right, they cry, They subtweet,
they sub instagram, They doing all those subliminals like for
and I know we got to go to a break,
but this is still that blows my mind. Imagine being
in a building every day. Let's use it so for example,
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imagine me having a problem with me, me coming to
work and seeing him every single day and having a
problem with that man, working with this man for hours,
only to go subtweet about him later on instead of
me going, hey dog, I talk to you for a second.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
It ain't gotta be you know, aggressive physical, Let's talk clearly,
there's something going on. Let's talk you me by ourselves.
You look me and I looked you in your eye.
Let's talk. They subtweet, they'll talk through the other media.
Been like, nah, you know, And I'm like.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Do you think there's guys in that locker room that
don't talk to each other all year long?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Do you think there's Do you think there's guys in
the same position room that don't speak to each other?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And it's in a sense of if I have to
talk to you, like in casual conversation, but real conversations
one thousand.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Percent, just like, Hey, what's up? And that's it? Or
have a problem or have a problem with a guy
the one that don't one one of a.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Pro thousand really shit. A lot of them can't even speak,
a lot of them can't communicate to the other person
that I actually wouldn't know how to look at that
man and go, let's have a conversation because all they
know how to do is this.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Because I thought the locker room was the one place
where if you had a problem with another man, you
walked up and you said.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Hey, let's let's figure this out.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
It used to be, right, it used to be.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
When did that change? The folk?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
This when that social media thing started happening.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let's go to a break and I will let Jesse
finish off the show, all right, right back?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
He said he's not into that, but.
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Always open, And we will talk to you tomorrow about
who's going to always be open on Sunday. But right
now we are talking about players, locker rooms, things like that. Nate,
You've you've referenced several times on the show. Charles was
the one that taught you how to work out, be accountable.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
He was he was your He was your accountability part
as they called it today.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, you know, did you? He was on the kind
of the workout side and the being in the facility
was there were there other guys that helped you, like
account study, film or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Eric Williams, Josh is trying to get us all together,
you know that whether it's in the works, you know,
to try to do the original all us that would
be awesome. And so and I was telling Josh the
guys that he needed. Eric Williams changed who we were.
We were a mally like group, you know, we we
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were all people. But when Eric came Eric Williams, it
was on exces uptable not to dominate.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
That was unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
If I if I lined up John Rounder was an
eight time better defensive player than I was offensive player.
But it went from trying to get through the game
to by the end of the game, I'm gonna break
this dude. The mindset changed. And and I ain't ashamed
to tell you he was five years behind me. Yeah,
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I've been at lead two.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Or three years. But Big E brought a whole different
flavor to the game.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Bro And how would he do it? What would he
talk to you guys?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Let me give me, give me three give me three minutes.
We drafted Big E third or fourth round. John Wooton
told me about He says, kid, coming out of Philadelphia night,
he ain't none, but you know, like we talked, he
ain't number the doll but he said in an other words,
in other words, and uh, And I.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Said, okay. So we drafted him his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He used to sit right next to me, and one
day he looked over at me. You know, he said, boy,
next year, I'm gonna I'm gonna show you. You know,
I'm gonna show you MLS. You're like, okay, alright, alright,
you know I'm the right tackle. I'm like, you know,
like you just gonna get my job. So we was
in training camp.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
He was telling you I gonna take your job.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
He was just saying him he was gonna be starting.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And so Jimmy came into practice when day, Hey, how
you walk through that?
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Hey, fellas, how are y'all doing? Hey, we're doing a
good coach, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Uh, Big E was sitting right here. I'm sitting right Hey, Big,
I'm sitting there. I'm big, and you mean big is
the right tackle? Okay, my job gone.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
I go to Jimmy. Hey, Jimmy, when.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You moved me over here, this right tackle, I was
your best left guard. I'm still your best. So he
put me back and left guard start and that not
golding out. But back to Big E. And I've told
the story before. We was getting ready to play Kansas
City Beafs. They had a great defensive end and I
can't think of this kid's name. And I was trying
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to help Biggie because I played in the year before
and saying he got long arm, see this, this and this,
but you ought to be able to counteract this. And
he stopped me. You know, about thirty minutes in he
looked at me and he said, he said, he said,
Big New, you're getting this dude too much respect.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
I said, nah dog no all pro pro bo. He said.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I understand what he is on paper. He said, but
you're giving this dude too much respect. And I ain't
talking Neil Smith. I'm telling you, brother Neil Smith, all
pro to dude. And I said, he this dude, the
beast bro. And he said, look me right in my eye.
Do you like Jesse say, look me right in my
mind and say I'm gonna female dog him. By halftime,
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he gonna be screaming. I backed up. I said, all right, alright,
I put my hand ready for Ali. He said, okay, halftime, real,
you gotta get his hands out in my face.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
REALP.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
This ain't football real. You need to do this, relp.
He hit me in the thought, Ralph, I mean just
the whole first half. Then Biggie looked at me, got him,
and from that day on I never questioned it. And
then we's the season going on, right, Biggie. You know
he called it be slapping, y'all know what I'm saying.
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When he say be slapping, He be slapping everybody around.
And he looked at me one day and a dude
got the best of me, and he looked at me.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
He said, big noon, come on, dog, you can't. Oh,
you let this dude do.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And from that point on, I picked my game up
and I went to be slapping. They stay you know
two way over there be slapping. And little step Knosky
was always like that. He was always so All of
a sudden, we went from just so kind of a
soft like you say soft, you know, mulling people to
dominating dominated all started.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
It all started with that one dude. It started an attitude.
Oh yes, sir, when Larry Avin came in.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Man, come on, you thought you were going to prison. Bro,
you thought you were going to prison. After that, we
were serving you after that, bro. Yeah, Man, Big East
started that. And and I'm waiting on that. Who is
that dude over there that ain't gonna accept.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Do those DAWs even exist?
Speaker 6 (44:29):
Now? Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Here one and this one and it's one. He's old,
but he's with the forty nine ers. He played left tackle.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
Trip Williams come on, broh two or three years ago
out to put him against anybody in the league.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
He was gonna shut you down, anybody in the league.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Tyler Smith's got any of that.
Speaker 6 (44:51):
I don't know. He hurt this year. I don't know.
I thought this was gonna be his year, but he's
hurt this year.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
I don't know physical that that comes to the part
of are you willing as a you know, I saw
something like it was an article talked about Shoddy. I
think Joe Hoyt wrote the article, and they talked about
Shoddy giving either Tyler Smith or Tyler Book are a little
bit more leeway to talk and speak.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But you know, and this is the part what I'm
talking about is sometimes Tyler Smith, I'm not I'm just
using him as an example. I'm not calling Tyler Smith out,
but a lot of these players in today's game have
this or I'm gonna do my job, which is fair,
which is fair, Right, do your job, but also how
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do you impact the guy next year? Yes, sir, right
do your job. That is that is paramount. That is
first line. But like he just said, he looked at
him and said, you let him do this to you.
Speaker 6 (45:55):
Yeah, I mean let him do this to you.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
And that's that's him taking his game to the next
level and then now forcing you to take your And
I don't know if those there's not an abundance of
those people. There's not. There's not a they're not walking
around like they used to like he said. When Charles
Haley came over, he looked him in the eye and
he said, he said, man, you're a good player, he said,
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but after about six games you trash. He said, what
he said, Man, I studied you. He said, man, ear
start the year, you you whooping on folks. And he said,
but you're fat, out of shape, so you wear down.
By the end of the season, you nothing. That was
That was another guy on the side of the ball
and saying, if we're going to be better, not only
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do I have to hold my endo the bargain, but
I now have to start challenging those that I think
are good enough to accept the challenge and then be
okay with whatever the backlashes, because everybody's not gonna accept it.
But what ends up happening is is when Charles is
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saying it, and when Russell Maryland is saying it, and
when Big E is saying it, and when Larry is
you start sticking out like a sore thumb.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
You become the minority.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
You become the minority.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
And I think nowadays we have too many pockets where
guys can go and hide and be mediocre. With the
other mediocre.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Because you don't have enough of those guys in each room.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
That's what I'm saying. So like you see, guys, now
we're going hide with other sorry dudes and click up
with all the sorry dudes, and not all of a
sudden they become a strong posse of sorry dudes that
go against the establishment, that go against the standard.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
That's why Shoddy has these games and stuff in place,
not so much to bring the com but for you
to know so I can feel comfroble. Hey, just say
what he say, you, Kurt say, we can feel confromle man.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
My kids are sick. Really, how many kids you got?
It just started a conversation. That's why that man got
all that stuff over there.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But that has to go onto the field too, and
it has to You gotta be able to because I'm
not gonna trust you in war and left top of
being in war with you, that's just what it is.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna truly believe you got
my six until we've been in some stuff and you
have my six.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You know what I'm saying, Bro, I'm gonna tell you.
I'm gonna tell you something, And like I tell people
I was so immature. That's why I don't have no
problems telling people. I was immature to the point where
Nate don't jump out side. When I see a dude
continue to jump outside, I'm like, where is his teammates? Well,
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if you gotta grab him by his breeches and said, on,
you ain't jumping off side.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
We need this play. Come on, man, what man? You
know you don't want to tell a dude. Bro, If
this jewel dumb offside, we about to lose this game.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Just hey man, it's covered too.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Hey brother, hey man, I'm lying back and look here, Bro,
you got this cover too. You got this deepest, man, Bro.
We got them by three. They on our fifty.
Speaker 6 (49:12):
We cannot let this dude get behind us. What is
wrong with telling the player that everybody out there just quiet?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Come on, man, and I'll say this to him. I
remember a play that happened when Tank Lawrence and Michael
Parson was here and the defense was going bad, and
and Mike's over there screaming, and Tank just looks up
at him and said, you kill y'all. Nobody, you messing up.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
I just was like, there it goes.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
But and now to him and Tank Lawrence over there,
just whooping up, folks.
Speaker 6 (49:44):
I hate you take.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Lord Jesse, great stuff, Nate, great stuff. Kurk, good seeing
your brother tomorrow. What do we got Cowboys offense? Vikings,
Vikings defense?
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When we speak and then.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Wakes up is here? How are we doing today?
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Gook?
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Well? I guess since we can't even get the background
swapped out, man, phone calls are out the window.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Yeah, oh man, that's funny. Man, there we go.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay, John, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Look at it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You can leave the other ones up.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
That's fine. Yeah, it was just that. Oh boy, home.
Where's Chris today? Josh?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He took off a special assignment you know, Chris, do
those special assignments something?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, it's something brew You didn't get a heads up
text or nothing. Okay, all right, well guess what what?
Still the Dallas Cowboys still got a chance, still got
some hope, still got a chance. It's the circus of
that star. Like, what's what's the percentage at now?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
After their lost like ten?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I think it was seven going into last night. Now
it's up to ten. But you're saying there's a chance.
It's a small one, but there still is because the
Eagles do not look like they're functioning at.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
A at a high level right now. They don't. But
there their schedule favor.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
They where they have last Vegas Vegas commanders and twice bills.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Commanders lose that the commanders lose to the bills.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Still need one more, we need one more?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
What do they say, what do they say? That's why
you play the game, right, any given Sunday? We need
Thursday or Saturday, because right now there what eight eight, four,
eight six or eight and five, eight and five?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
We need we need three? We needn't. Well, if we
went out, gotter be four.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
They got to lose at least two, and then if
we tie, we've got the half game, right.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, not above them.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
I don't know how that will play out.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It'll go to common opponents. I believe to lose, have
to lose three, lose three out.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
And we got to win out.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But you know what, guess what that does? Makes you
tune in every week until we lose that.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Yes, we love that too.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
We're still in it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, we really love We do love.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
It because we would have absolutely nothing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Because no playoffs. You know, pull the pluck quick.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Oh yeah, Derry pull. Season's over on Sunday. We have
a show on Monday. We're out on Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Once a week.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
We don't even get to say by to each other.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Derry pull, yeah, go out of town. What do you
want to talk about? Kurt? You got a whole bunch
of bullet points.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Don't you run the show?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Today, I don't you don't want to run the show.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Nobody want to work today, Chris don't want to work now,
you don't want to work, Shanning, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I don't want to work?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I had right before the show.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
We wanted to wait on you.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's special teams and we turn problem or coverage blocking problem?
Does he needs to take a few reps on our fits?
That is by way of Kirk Daniels one pump.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you said it because I
got I was Yeah, I was told Machavante on Twitter
to uh.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Oh he talked to you. Yeah, yeah, he reached out. Yeah,
what did he tell you?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I reached out? But uh, you know what, never mind,
I'll just say this, Kurt.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Was it in the public domain or did he d
m you?
Speaker 6 (05:01):
What did me?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Okay, so what do he saying? No, it's in the
public domain.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You can say it, but okay, look at look at me.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Let me, Kirk go look it up.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And you okay, Well, since we can't get that one,
Pickens went at Sherman in a post and has since
deleted it. Is it okay for players to respond when
they're getting criticized.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I got to just take it. You know what.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think that's a great conversation because I think we
have maybe two different perspectives because Nate, you came up
at a time where there was absolutely.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
No social media and no response.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
We could not respond like you, you had to kind
of see the reporter face to face in the locker
room if he or she.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Why couldn't you respond public? Was that a Jimmy thing?
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Or it was it was a phone this thing.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Because if you said something ugly to the reporter, he's
just not going to republish it, right, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And I like I came into the league that wasn't
social media. But on my way out was when the
rise of social media came. And what year was that, brother,
Jess what social media? I mean Twitter opened up in
two thousand and nine?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Did you ever think because I transitioned over from merchandising
in two thousand and ten, and at that time, guys
didn't want to have anything to do with the guys
that were in the league, they didn't want to have
anything to do with it. But then you know, your
junior high and your college kids started using it and
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they as they were in college when they came into
the league, they were using it, they were talking. Did
you ever think it would get to the point because
you were at the front end of all that, Do
you ever think it would get to the point where
it is now? Or do you think the locker room
would be still kind of we're players, we don't put
our business out there. It's not get like it's messy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Now Here's the thing that I've always said to people,
And you will never really truly understand this. And this
is not me trying to like, you know, well, I
was in the locker room, but you really won't truly
understand this unless you were in the locker room. Some
of these big, strong, athletic, ginormous Greek god looking human
(07:14):
beings that you guys cheer for each and every Sunday,
a lot of these dudes are sensitive. Ah, a lot
of these dudes have small, fragile eagles egos.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
And you would be shocked.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You would be shocked at the people that you see
on Sunday who in the locker room behind some of
those closed doors are some of the most weak minded
and fragile human beings ever.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
But they can still rip your head off. But they
just have feelings, you know what.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And even that's even that's different. Even that's different because
a lot of dudes who play football, which is a
very physical and violent game, there's a lot of dudes
who are.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Soft.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I'm telling you, there's a lot of dudes who have
all the muscles packed on top of each other and
are soft. Are O f capital What.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Percentage would you say in the locker room is like that?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Because because you need all five percent, all right? Because you,
me and Nick have always had this this ongoing conversation
and I think we've talked about on the show. You
got your alphas right. You can't have a locker room
full of alphas.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
It just doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
So you have your alpha set and then you have
the good guys, and then you have the a holes
and then when.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You get out foot are different from Nate's era of alphas.
I think Nate's era of alphas would bite the head
off the shoulders of this era alphas, not all of them,
not all of them, but the alpha man is different now,
it is It is different, like because I like I was,
(09:02):
like I was raised by like the alphas that Nate
played with, Like those are the people that helped raise me.
So I kind of got a little bit of that,
and then my career ended with more of today level alphas.
And they're not the same. They're not the same. They
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aren't the same. They aren't the same in approach, they
aren't the same in mentality, they aren't the same in
uh strength, mental and physical fortitude. They just aren't the same.
And this is not everybody. I'm saying, the large majority.
It's different. And that's why you see guys as a
(09:45):
young kid say now crash out more so and they
And this is because this has given a lot of
these guys because they like to say a lot of times,
oh the fids wouldn't say that if they will do
a lot of them won't say it either. A lot
of them wouldn't say to you. But this is giving
them a space.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think George might be one of them. The mighty
say it. I think George might be one of them
to crash out in real life. You know what I'm saying.
There's a couple of dude now that I feel like
he go crash out of real life. There's a couple
of dudes down there that I know for a fact, Oh,
they'll talk, or they'll talk a good game on this.
They will talk. You will think this is the you
think it's John Jones behind this. But they had to
(10:29):
by themselves quite as a church mouse peeing on cotton.
I'm just telling you, Nate, if you got anything you
want to ask.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Now, you you covered up.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I don't, you know, I don't expect it. That's why
I do not approach a lot of players, because my conversation, uh,
it's too simple, you know. Like I was trying to
tell these shot gentlemen about past sets yesterday and just
(11:04):
casual the way some of these guys just so casual
with the way they do things. And then when they
mess up, they walk back to the to the to
the to the bench, and the camera be on them
and it's like nothing never happened. You know, you just
got your quarterback blind side, almost head almost taken off,
(11:27):
and you sitting over there like, oh well, okay, move
on to the next series. I just be like, wow,
least frown up a little bit, like it hurts you,
like it hurts you. I mean, I'm getting them some sacksoy.
I couldn't even look Troy in the face. I'm like
oh you know what I'm saying. I couldn't even look
him in the faith, couldn't wait to get back out
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there again and show that this is not who I wow.
It's just but you know what, it is accepted, and
it's accepted around the league.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I mean, hey, I.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Did my best around the world.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
I gave up full sacks. I did be come on, man.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And I think this is just this is just the
era that we're in. You have to accept it. What
I like for because here's what I know for also
for to be a fact, jokers go out they way
to search your name on these social media platforms like
go out your way, like go out your way. They
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do it at halftime. I mean, we all remember we
are not too long ago. We all remember, Yeah, these
nuts situation, how that happen you? You you go and
look at high school, look at college, look at pros.
These cats are coming in at halftime and searching it
out in the middle of a game. The game is over,
(12:51):
the sweat hadn't even stopped. The sweat beads haven't even
stopped trickling down your face. You run back to the
locker room and you checking to see what folks said
about you that that mentality I struggle to understand.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
But didn't you always have that though? Didn't you have
guys that, like, when the game's over, they're checked out,
they're not thinking about the game. You just didn't have
access to put your thoughts out after the game, Like
didn't you guys play with guys that like they played
and when they were done, they were thinking about I'm
going to the club, or like the game was over,
they didn't sit in their locker and some guys sit
in it. Some guys just now you have that to
(13:28):
where you've always had those guys that that mentality, You
just didn't have the access to put it out there?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Right?
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Or has this changed the mentality of the pro athlete.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
That's where your leadership has to has to be dominant,
and it can't just be a coach. That's where the
leadership guys to be the right people. You have to
draft and sign the right people. And this guy, we
all can agree and we ain't gonna have to debate.
(14:00):
If boy, if if everybody had overshown or Dak's mentality,
I'm talking about the love of the game, well you
would have. You would have a team full of just
I mean, you would have a team full of it,
but everybody don't have.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
That love for the game.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
And I ain't saying you, you know, I don't hold
it against the guy When they come to the sidelines smiling,
it don't look good, But I don't hold it against
them because you don't know what's in their mind and
what's going on in their head.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
But when when you.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Hear Overshown talk, you know it's some love there. When
you hear Dak talk, you know it's some caring and
love there, and you see it and you see it.
But with a lot of guys, it's just it's so carefree, man,
you know. And I used to be one of them
guys that would you know. When I first got to
the Cowboys, I was just so excited about being a Cowboy,
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you know, just my team. I grew up, but I
did not understand what it took to be a professional.
And then I started watching professionals. I'm like, well, I'm
way out of line, you know.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
And it took me a few years, but I got there.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And that's what I'm hoping that this new leadership will
teach guys how to be professional. This is your job,
this is how you have anything that you want monetarily wise,
this is how you get it, and so you just
pray that guys can see it.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Man.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I mean, that's that's something that surprised me. They don't
see it because I recognize that they you know, they
want to want to get back at the haters, you know,
and call them out or whatever. But they are the
ones that always come out looking bad in the end.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Yeah, because it's one of you. Yeah, and hundreds of thousands, yeh.
I would think that would keep them from See.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
There's Chris Bean he a lot of game, you know
a lot of game. Chris being on a lot of game.
About that, Chris maybe be anybody about hand. Heal a
lot of games. You know what I'm saying, you know,
Chris being no a lot of game.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
But Jess's so it's so right. I mean, I'm sitting
here saying, I wish I could.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Say nah, Jesse, nah.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But it's just too bad when you can't say this guy,
this guy, you know, when you said thirty forty percent.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I'm like, and I'm like, wow, you're right, these guys
you have to care.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't care what like Jimmy's telling I don't care
what that carry is that drives.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You to be the best. I don't care what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You're doing it for your mama, You're doing it for
your girlfriend, You're doing it for all your family members.
But whatever that drive is, turn it on right now.
Whatever that drive is, you love the money, turn it
on and keep it on.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Because that's what we need to win.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Whatever that drive is, I don't care what it is,
legally long is that drive?
Speaker 6 (16:56):
You know what I'm saying, Keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But but see, I love Dak's approach when it comes
to like social media stuff, like think about like he's
probably it might be the most most criticized dude in
all of sports. Maybe he Lebron. I don't know if
there's more. I don't know if there's more in any sport.
I don't know that. I don't know if there's a
(17:21):
dude more criticized, Maybe Lebron Nico. Only a certain section
of people hate Nico. That's regional. That's a regional thing,
you know what I'm saying. But like, because I believe you,
right now, people in New York, they don't give a
dam about Nico. People don't don't care about Nicol.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Hey, Welcome to the show, Chris. Derek took our department
to lunch. No, Josh has already been the one with Derek.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Okay, we went to a.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Small Mexican place down the road here that we've been to.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
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Speaker 5 (18:13):
To the Big Times.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Yea to you. Uh, what's up?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
You got Jesse all thrown off at the beginning of
the show. Show Josh how to change the backdrops out
next time? Oh yeah, oh the ones behind you?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, we're good. He'll be good. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Look he left that other show up there.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, he had to hit some buttons and did oh
that one right there? Did you see when did you see?
Whenever you were talking, Josh was messed with the cameras,
all the cameras, all the cameras. Welcome, Welcome to the show, Chris. Yeah, yeah,
appreciate you guys. Hey, you know what, let's.
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All right, we were talking about players and social media
and softness and all kinds of things. I have a
(21:33):
question that's related to that. How many you make it
to this level? You're obviously the elite of the elite talent.
Even if you're a practice squad guy, you're the best
of the best. Right, there's only what three hundred and
something of how many of these job fifteen hundred these jobs.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
In the world.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
How many guys do you think have elite talent could
be a starter in this league? Because there's and I
don't know about the other sports, but I've been around football,
and I would think that football is probably one of
the most scheduled and strictly structured sports there are. Because
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you come in the building at this time, you go
from here, a lot of hand holding, right, But there's
still a lot of stuff outside of football that you
have to manage, right, family, friends, study time, what you're
doing in your private time, your diet, you know, there's
still other things. How many guys do you think have
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talent that could have had a long career in the
league that all the other and I'm not talking about
the you know, I'm not talking about getting in legal
trouble or anything like that. But I'm just talking about
if they just would have been disciplined and they would
have lived football like Overshown and Dak like it's a lifestyle,
like you have to commit to that lifestyle.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
You have to commit to every part of it.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
And I think we're Overshown and Dak stand out and
that commitment is they're committed to being good teammates, and
they're committed to knowing what to say and when to
say it and how to you know, some guys get
it all, but they don't get that part and they
become a distraction things like that. How many guys do
you think have elite talent that could have been a
top player in the league that all the other stuff
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just sidetracked them.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's got to be at least two or three on
every team that could have been that. Yeah, there's got
to be at least too. And I'm I'm I'm maybe
even shorten it, like I maybe even not even giving
it enough justice.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Because that's part of it, right, That's part of becoming
a pro athlete at a high level is managing that.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
That might be the biggest part of it, to be
one hundred percent honest, like, because the talent will take
care of itself. You got here because that talent is there.
And what keeps the talent there and grows the talent
is your you becoming disciplined enough to handle all the
other ancillary stuff, all that other stuff that happens to
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keep to feed that beast. A lot of guys will
just rely on that talent because it's gotten them this far,
and so they've never had to really tap into that
other part. And you know, this is where locker room
veteran leadership is key, not only for your team, but
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just for the the brotherhood, the passing along the baton
to the next person, of helping you understand what all
that stuff is because you because the worst thing that
can happen is you take a kid that's im mentally
talented and then you put him in the room with
a bunch of slappies and you're like, man, like, this
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kid is never going to learn the parts that we
really need them to learn and take that to the
next level because what we have around him isn't doesn't
afford him that ability to do so, you know. And
you can take the opposite way where you start seeing
like a lineage of a position group that just grows
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and grows and grows over time. It's because those that
came before him, they they set the standard and about
how they went about their business, about how to do it,
what it looks like. And it's a day in, day out.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
This is what we do as a group on this
time we're on.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But not even that part of it. But just like yo, hey,
you might need you know, you need to get this part.
You need to get the workout part of this, You
need to get all those other things to get those
things in line. It just helps out, you know. And
and football might be out of all the major sports,
football might be the one with the least amount of
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those vets that are still left around. Like basketball, they'll
keep the man, the fourteen to fifteen dude on the
basketball team an NBA team, he might just be that
wially o vet. That's someone who can I saw the
other day, and this is to my point. I saw
the other day the MAVs were playing the Heat and
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a Heat bench player was up in like blatantly disrespecting
Klay Thompson. Now I feel with Klay Thompson as ever
he down in his career. But Klay Thompson is one
of the greatest shooters this league has ever seen. Paired
up with Steph Curry, they were the greatest shooting duo
in NBA history. Three four time champion, will be a
(26:34):
future Hall of Famer. And here's this guy who's barely
making the roster on the Miami Heat team like calling
them a bum be, like a bum female dog. After
the game was over. Koran Butler, who was a longtime
player in this league, who's now an assistant on the
Miami Heats. But he's like that vet dude. They call
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him tough juice like Butler grabbed a young player and
walks him to go apologize to Klay Thompson. He grabbed,
He grabbed the young player, walked him, grabbed, and Clay
didn't want to do it at first, and he saw
who it was. He saw it was it was Koran,
and he was a He gave Koran that respect and
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he stopped and he listened and Karan made the young
player apologize to him because he's like, oh, you don't
disrespect this guy. This guy has been a statement in
this league for ten plus years. He's won championships and
guess what, one day you might want to call him
and say, can you show me how you work? Can
you show me how to shoot better? What are some
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of the things that he was like, Yo, you don't
burn that bridge because you want to be one of
these young street punks to just say. But it's players
like that and people like that in organizations that allow
you to grow in certain areas. And I think the
NFL is one of those leagues now where you don't
see a lot of that. Nowadays, you don't see a
(28:01):
lot of the dudes in the locker room who will
grab Because I've said this time before and this is
one of my like when I was criticizing Micah and
this is all before he got traded, and this is nothing.
This is you gotta remember, like a year or two ago,
they were coming, y'all, were all of you who was like, yeah,
I'm glad Michael's gone. All of you were coming from
(28:23):
my dome about a year or two ago when I
criticized Micah as being a leader of this defense, and
I was like, man, this is the guy that has
to be able when things were going wrong. This was
the guy that has to go. Hey, defense, we're not
going anywhere when practice is over, when meetings are over,
we're gonna come meet as a as a unit together.
(28:47):
See it's different when I say it, they're like, man,
get out of here. But when your leader says it,
now everyone falls in line and the league has less
of those.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Did you have him when you were here when you
were playing?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, Like I told you guys all the time, my
VET was Patrick Crayton. And I've told the story before
when I was trying to learn this office and I
was trying to figure this stuff out and I had
the little cheat sheet tucked away in my in my
in my practice pants and he caught me and he
snatched it out and he ripped it up and he
told me, he said, you know this stuff. He said,
(29:25):
you know this. But even even before that, he told
me said learn everything. He said, I know, coach told
you to be Z learn X learn Why learn h
Because what's gonna happen is practices are gonna run long
guys are gonna get hurt. Somebody's gonna run two gol
routes back to back, and coach is gonna turn around
(29:46):
and go, I need an X. Now, you know coach
already told you just learned Z. But imagine when he
turns around and says, hey, I need an X, and
you go, I got it. And he looks at you
and he goes, but I told you to learn Z,
and I go, I know, but X two And then
you go out there and you perform it. He doesn't
forget that. But if he turns around and you go,
I need an X, and you're looking at him and
(30:07):
you turn around, you're looking for X two because you
didn't take the initiative. But that keeps you on a
roster another year, another two years, that coach leaves and
goes somewhere else, and he goes, go get me that guy.
This is why you see guys stick around in the league.
You're like, you know, Matthew Slater from the Patriots spent
(30:30):
fifteen years in this league. Not because I think Matthew
Slater finished his career fifteen years and he might have
had under seventy five recept total receptions did fifteen years
in the league, went to the Pro Bowl a bunch
of times for a special team c J.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Goodman.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
C J good went here. People are like, well, why
can't see the good with nah? This is why? This
is why like and that was one of the things
that like, you go and you asks a guy. You
go and you asks a guy like Phillip Tanner. You
go and you ask a guy like Dwayne Harris, You
go and you ask a got go ask Daddy McCrae.
When those guys came to the team, especially when it
(31:08):
came to special teams, I felt like I was the
old vet. So I was pouring gaming at these dudes like, Yo,
come on, let's go watch film. Hey, let me show
you how to do this in practice, and those guys
to tell you to this day, they'd be like Barry
told the other day on the on the on the show,
he was like, man.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
We hated it going up against Jesse because.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
We knew what we had to bring every single day.
You knew it wasn't going to be a cakewalk or
walk through. It was going to be one hundred miles
an hour every single day. And so that part of
the veteran that's dying in the naty.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Do you why do you think in the NFL that's
going away.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Because you don't have natural leaders coming along. You have
more selfish that just sensitive dudes all about. That's generational,
that's that's how they're being brought up. No one's being
brought up to to like this.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Phones right, there's less interaction, less learning, that's less learned,
like less hands on experience. Like you know, most of us.
I'll speak for me, we were last key kids. You
had to figure it out. Your parents was off working
a double.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Hey you seven eight years old, You got a key,
You know how to get home, you know how to
figure it out.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
You missed the bus, Oh well walk right.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Like for me, I was eight years old taking care
of a seven year old little brother. Talk about responsibility.
So like that level of just and now these kids
and parents, and I'm not talking about anyone's parents, but
they want to be friendly. They want to be we
want to be buddy, buddy six to even y'all want
to be that. And there's so the leadership is taking
(32:40):
such a major hit because no one, no one's building
and growing leaders anymore. Now kids in college, the NIL
is showing up and everybody.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Now the mothers and fathers are actually quitting jobs and
going to schools.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
With the key.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
But the kids, my.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Kids to practice and picking them up. So there's a
there's a lot the.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Kids are now supporting the parents, you know, they're they're
now you know, so a lot of that just you know,
and I don't I'm not trying to get on a
soapbox or anything like that and how that relates to football,
But you're talking about the athletes. The athletic genetics will
always be there. But the type of kids that we are,
like like Dak Prescott is a rare breed, Like it's
(33:30):
a rare breed. He's like one of the last of
the Mohicans, you know what I'm saying, Like that had
came up in a generation now where the leadership for
him is just superb and you don't get that a
lot of times. You know, like look at the quarterback
last night that through four interceptions in the you know,
(33:52):
he ain't that. He don't lead like that. You don't
see him. You know Tonack's point, he goes to the sideline.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
He likes it, almost sleeping. I thit second interception, you
know what you don't.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You don't have you don't have a bunch of leader
of men. We put a lot of that onus, on
the coach and rightfully so, right like the coaches that
is supposed to be that. But just like man leader
of men and men in the locker room that people
actually want to follow. You don't see that a lot
of times in the league. Now you just see you
see a bunch of individuals who want to do it
(34:28):
their way, who want to who don't want to collaborate,
who who when things aren't going right, they cry, They subtweet,
they sub instagram, They doing all those subliminals like for
and I know we got to go to a break,
but this is still that blows my mind. Imagine being
in a building every day. Let's use it so for example,
(34:50):
imagine me having a problem with me, me coming to
work and seeing him every single day and having a
problem with that man, working with this man for hours,
only to go subtweet about him later on instead of
me going, hey dog, I talk to you for a second.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
It ain't gotta be you know, aggressive physical, Let's talk clearly,
there's something going on. Let's talk you me by ourselves.
You look me and I looked you in your eye.
Let's talk. They subtweet, they'll talk through the other media.
Been like, nah, you know, And I'm like.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Do you think there's guys in that locker room that
don't talk to each other all year long?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
One hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Do you think there's Do you think there's guys in
the same position room that don't speak to each other?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
And it's in a sense of if I have to
talk to you, like in casual conversation, but real conversations
one thousand.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Percent, just like, Hey, what's up? And that's it? Or
have a problem or have a problem with a guy
the one that don't one one of a.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Pro thousand really shit. A lot of them can't even speak,
a lot of them can't communicate to the other person
that I actually wouldn't know how to look at that
man and go, let's have a conversation because all they
know how to do is this.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Because I thought the locker room was the one place
where if you had a problem with another man, you
walked up and you said.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Hey, let's let's figure this out.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
It used to be, right, it used to be.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
When did that change? The folk?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
This when that social media thing started happening.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let's go to a break and I will let Jesse
finish off the show, all right, right back?
Speaker 6 (36:42):
He said he's not into that, but.
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Always open, And we will talk to you tomorrow about
who's going to always be open on Sunday. But right
now we are talking about players, locker rooms, things like that. Nate,
You've you've referenced several times on the show. Charles was
the one that taught you how to work out, be accountable.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
He was he was your He was your accountability part
as they called it today.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, you know, did you? He was on the kind
of the workout side and the being in the facility
was there were there other guys that helped you, like
account study, film or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Eric Williams, Josh is trying to get us all together,
you know that whether it's in the works, you know,
to try to do the original all us that would
be awesome. And so and I was telling Josh the
guys that he needed. Eric Williams changed who we were.
We were a mally like group, you know, we we
(39:53):
were all people. But when Eric came Eric Williams, it
was on exces uptable not to dominate.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
That was unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
If I if I lined up John Rounder was an
eight time better defensive player than I was offensive player.
But it went from trying to get through the game
to by the end of the game, I'm gonna break
this dude. The mindset changed. And and I ain't ashamed
to tell you he was five years behind me. Yeah,
(40:28):
I've been at lead two.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Or three years. But Big E brought a whole different
flavor to the game.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Bro And how would he do it? What would he
talk to you guys?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Let me give me, give me three give me three minutes.
We drafted Big E third or fourth round. John Wooton
told me about He says, kid, coming out of Philadelphia night,
he ain't none, but you know, like we talked, he
ain't number the doll but he said in an other words,
in other words, and uh, And I.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Said, okay. So we drafted him his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He used to sit right next to me, and one
day he looked over at me. You know, he said, boy,
next year, I'm gonna I'm gonna show you. You know,
I'm gonna show you MLS. You're like, okay, alright, alright,
you know I'm the right tackle. I'm like, you know,
like you just gonna get my job. So we was
in training camp.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
He was telling you I gonna take your job.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
He was just saying him he was gonna be starting.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And so Jimmy came into practice when day, Hey, how
you walk through that?
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Hey, fellas, how are y'all doing? Hey, we're doing a
good coach, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Uh, Big E was sitting right here. I'm sitting right Hey, Big,
I'm sitting there. I'm big, and you mean big is
the right tackle? Okay, my job gone.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
I go to Jimmy. Hey, Jimmy, when.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You moved me over here, this right tackle, I was
your best left guard. I'm still your best. So he
put me back and left guard start and that not
golding out. But back to Big E. And I've told
the story before. We was getting ready to play Kansas
City Beafs. They had a great defensive end and I
can't think of this kid's name. And I was trying
(42:06):
to help Biggie because I played in the year before
and saying he got long arm, see this, this and this,
but you ought to be able to counteract this. And
he stopped me. You know, about thirty minutes in he
looked at me and he said, he said, he said,
Big New, you're getting this dude too much respect.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
I said, nah dog no all pro pro bo. He said.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I understand what he is on paper. He said, but
you're giving this dude too much respect. And I ain't
talking Neil Smith. I'm telling you, brother Neil Smith, all
pro to dude. And I said, he this dude, the
beast bro. And he said, look me right in my eye.
Do you like Jesse say, look me right in my
mind and say I'm gonna female dog him. By halftime,
(42:51):
he gonna be screaming. I backed up. I said, all right, alright,
I put my hand ready for Ali. He said, okay, halftime, real,
you gotta get his hands out in my face.
Speaker 6 (43:04):
REALP.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
This ain't football real. You need to do this, relp.
He hit me in the thought, Ralph, I mean just
the whole first half. Then Biggie looked at me, got him,
and from that day on I never questioned it. And
then we's the season going on, right, Biggie. You know
he called it be slapping, y'all know what I'm saying.
(43:25):
When he say be slapping, He be slapping everybody around.
And he looked at me one day and a dude
got the best of me, and he looked at me.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
He said, big noon, come on, dog, you can't. Oh,
you let this dude do.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
And from that point on, I picked my game up
and I went to be slapping. They stay you know
two way over there be slapping. And little step Knosky
was always like that. He was always so All of
a sudden, we went from just so kind of a
soft like you say soft, you know, mulling people to
dominating dominated all started.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
It all started with that one dude. It started an attitude.
Oh yes, sir, when Larry Avin came in.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Man, come on, you thought you were going to prison. Bro,
you thought you were going to prison. After that, we
were serving you after that, bro. Yeah, Man, Big East
started that. And and I'm waiting on that. Who is
that dude over there that ain't gonna accept.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Do those DAWs even exist?
Speaker 6 (44:29):
Now? Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Here one and this one and it's one. He's old,
but he's with the forty nine ers. He played left tackle.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
Trip Williams come on, broh two or three years ago
out to put him against anybody in the league.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
He was gonna shut you down, anybody in the league.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Tyler Smith's got any of that.
Speaker 6 (44:51):
I don't know. He hurt this year. I don't know.
I thought this was gonna be his year, but he's
hurt this year.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
I don't know physical that that comes to the part
of are you willing as a you know, I saw
something like it was an article talked about Shoddy. I
think Joe Hoyt wrote the article, and they talked about
Shoddy giving either Tyler Smith or Tyler Book are a little
bit more leeway to talk and speak.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
But you know, and this is the part what I'm
talking about is sometimes Tyler Smith, I'm not I'm just
using him as an example. I'm not calling Tyler Smith out,
but a lot of these players in today's game have
this or I'm gonna do my job, which is fair,
which is fair, Right, do your job, but also how
(45:39):
do you impact the guy next year? Yes, sir, right
do your job. That is that is paramount. That is
first line. But like he just said, he looked at
him and said, you let him do this to you.
Speaker 6 (45:55):
Yeah, I mean let him do this to you.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
And that's that's him taking his game to the next
level and then now forcing you to take your And
I don't know if those there's not an abundance of
those people. There's not. There's not a they're not walking
around like they used to like he said. When Charles
Haley came over, he looked him in the eye and
he said, he said, man, you're a good player, he said,
(46:21):
but after about six games you trash. He said, what
he said, Man, I studied you. He said, man, ear
start the year, you you whooping on folks. And he said,
but you're fat, out of shape, so you wear down.
By the end of the season, you nothing. That was
That was another guy on the side of the ball
and saying, if we're going to be better, not only
(46:44):
do I have to hold my endo the bargain, but
I now have to start challenging those that I think
are good enough to accept the challenge and then be
okay with whatever the backlashes, because everybody's not gonna accept it.
But what ends up happening is is when Charles is
(47:04):
saying it, and when Russell Maryland is saying it, and
when Big E is saying it, and when Larry is
you start sticking out like a sore thumb.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
You become the minority.
Speaker 6 (47:16):
You become the minority.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
And I think nowadays we have too many pockets where
guys can go and hide and be mediocre. With the
other mediocre.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Because you don't have enough of those guys in each room.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
That's what I'm saying. So like you see, guys, now
we're going hide with other sorry dudes and click up
with all the sorry dudes, and not all of a
sudden they become a strong posse of sorry dudes that
go against the establishment, that go against the standard.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
That's why Shoddy has these games and stuff in place,
not so much to bring the com but for you
to know so I can feel comfroble. Hey, just say
what he say, you, Kurt say, we can feel confromle man.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
My kids are sick. Really, how many kids you got?
It just started a conversation. That's why that man got
all that stuff over there.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But that has to go onto the field too, and
it has to You gotta be able to because I'm
not gonna trust you in war and left top of
being in war with you, that's just what it is.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna truly believe you got
my six until we've been in some stuff and you
have my six.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You know what I'm saying, Bro, I'm gonna tell you.
I'm gonna tell you something, And like I tell people
I was so immature. That's why I don't have no
problems telling people. I was immature to the point where
Nate don't jump out side. When I see a dude
continue to jump outside, I'm like, where is his teammates? Well,
(48:43):
if you gotta grab him by his breeches and said, on,
you ain't jumping off side.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
We need this play. Come on, man, what man? You
know you don't want to tell a dude. Bro, If
this jewel dumb offside, we about to lose this game.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Just hey man, it's covered too.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Hey brother, hey man, I'm lying back and look here, Bro,
you got this cover too. You got this deepest, man, Bro.
We got them by three. They on our fifty.
Speaker 6 (49:12):
We cannot let this dude get behind us. What is
wrong with telling the player that everybody out there just quiet?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Come on, man, and I'll say this to him. I
remember a play that happened when Tank Lawrence and Michael
Parson was here and the defense was going bad, and
and Mike's over there screaming, and Tank just looks up
at him and said, you kill y'all. Nobody, you messing up.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
I just was like, there it goes.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
But and now to him and Tank Lawrence over there,
just whooping up, folks.
Speaker 6 (49:44):
I hate you take.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Lord Jesse, great stuff, Nate, great stuff. Kurk, good seeing
your brother tomorrow. What do we got Cowboys offense? Vikings,
Vikings defense?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Talk about another sicco We got one, Ryan Flores, Blitz
Blitz and Moe Blitz.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
We'll talk about it tomorrow. Chris, thanks for showing up. Josh,
thanks for keeping them Comping' be back tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
Hang up with the Boys three four running a three
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