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October 17, 2025 44 mins
We're feeling kind of sorry for the Cowboys’ defensive coordinator today. After all, he was put in a tough situation, one that could only get worse with Trevon Diggs now sidelined. So does that mean we could we start seeing the offense take more risks? Hey, they're already starting to. Plus, Jesse’s key stat, players to watch and our predictions.

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Speaker 9 (01:29):
Good?

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Got some breaking news right before we came on the show.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
I'm sure they talked about on the last show.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
But in case you haven't heard, Number seven, Trayvon Diggs
out this Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Concussion incident at home. Incident at accident, accident.

Speaker 7 (01:50):
At I think it's probably an incident.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's from my editor.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Right, that's RECKI speccy on this show.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I'm glad that he probably messed up everything.

Speaker 7 (02:01):
You can all speculate. We may or may not find out.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Next week we're gonna find out.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
You think we'll find out for something leak.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Nothing, Nothing stays. The only thing that stays.

Speaker 8 (02:10):
The only thing that stays private around here is when
Chris Beam is shooting stuff for for Jerry Jones knows
that the stuff is coming.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
He doesn't say anything to us about.

Speaker 8 (02:19):
It, as he shouldn't and as you should. I don't
get me wrong, but that's the one two weeks la.

Speaker 10 (02:24):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:24):
The one thing that stays concrete clad, closed up is
if Jerry is doing something, then nobody talks. But everything
else it'll find its way out.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
It finds its way out.

Speaker 7 (02:35):
Yeah, and we all we all remember what the last
one was.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I remember what the last one was.

Speaker 8 (02:40):
You I think it wasn't that you were shooting something
for the for the documentary.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right Netflix show?

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Now it was, Oh, it was the it was Johnson.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
Jimmy was they told him he's going into the Ring
of Hunter.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
We've all speculated what we think the concussion could have been,
calls from so on.

Speaker 11 (03:00):
There.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
We'll keep that, Nate, some of us, we'll keep.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right here. Let me know he's done talking.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
Okay, we'll move on.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
But no, that's a.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's a but just in case y'all want to know
next segment, that's a.

Speaker 8 (03:23):
That's a big loss for the cowboys, especially when you're
talking about again this defense. Uh, you know the communication
now you have to have Kyrie Elam out there for
the whole time. They had a rotation going on with
those guys, but not having Trayvon Diggs out there. He
was one of the guys who vocally talked about, hey,
we want to play more man. We need to see
more man. There was talks about there's that saying play

(03:46):
more man. Implementation. We saw some things out there on
the practice field. What gods were working on the man
the man stuff. So now you know, and and and
you kind of go, all right, cool, we got Darron Blamer,
got Trayvon Diggs, We're going to go more man some
but now you you insert Kyer Elam, who, by the way,
is best at playing zone.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
So now where how are we figuring this?

Speaker 7 (04:09):
Just like, yes, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (04:12):
So it's it's like, you know, that was part of
the reason why things didn't quite work out with him
in uh in Buffalo was because of the scheme and
he wasn't fitting in what they wanted to do with
scheme wise, and so now he's here and now was like, hey,
we're gonna go more man.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
He's like, but wait, I'm better at zone. I kind
of actually liked this zone. That wasn't me.

Speaker 8 (04:30):
So now irafluce Is is damned if he do and
damned if he don't, you know, on the outside with
not having Trayvon Diggs in the game, and for what
it's worth, you know, I found this stout out today
to shout out to Jeff Kavanaugh for this, but it
was as far as pbu's, Trayvon and Digs, they have

(04:52):
zero pbu's on that.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I'm sorry, Trayvon and Doran, excuse me.

Speaker 8 (04:56):
That's two people, right, I know, are you doing Trayvon
and Diggs?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
And I didn't check it, but this was from Jeff
that they don't have and you just said it again
it again, and Trayvon, it's either Blandings the weekend. Yeah,
I do I need the weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm but that's a straight marafile marapoule, right.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Bring.

Speaker 8 (05:29):
And digs Bland and digs Bland, Digs and Bland.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
So not having them in the lineup?

Speaker 8 (05:36):
Man again it you know you you now look up
and you're hoping, pray that nothing happens to Career or
Bland in that game, because now where do you go
for the next cornerback spot? So it's gonna it's it's
an interesting thing, unfortunate situation for Trayvon Diggs.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Uh the accident or incident.

Speaker 8 (05:56):
Accident accident at home last night that him in concussion
protocol today.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's amazing how.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
You push a narrative secretly, then you come publicly and.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Then you get what you want and now you you hey,
you ain't now and what Jesse just said, how do
you do this? Now?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
How do you how do you take a cover corner
out and put in a zone corner, saying I didn't
even ask for this, this and now, but you're finna
get this so scary Tarry, Please don't play right now.

Speaker 8 (06:44):
Please, he's not playing, thank you to According to the
reports that coach Quinn said that he'll be out for
this game.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
Well what do you think?

Speaker 5 (06:55):
And obviously, you know the fan base, the defense falls
on the defense of Corner.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
That's his responsibility.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
They've been, you know, a lot of the fans have
been you know, Firey Refluc and all this. He really
hasn't had a fair shake this year, right starting with
you know, training camp. If you're upstairs, I mean there's
there's always.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
Conversations going on, right when one one.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Department's not playing right or whatever. You're always trying to
better your team, whether that's through personnel, whether that's through coaching,
whether that's through changes, whatever you're doing. But you really
got to sit back at this and look like, I
mean this, do you get a do over next year?
If this is yes, do you still I mean do
you what are those conversations like right now? Because I mean,

(07:42):
ultimately it's your responsibility.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
But they even got to look back and go, wait,
we didn't do this, man.

Speaker 8 (07:47):
That's why for me, I laughed hysterically when the Jones
came out Stephen and Jerry and said, yeah, trade away
with Michael Parson's unanimous decision.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Everybody agreed, there's no way.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
There's no way, and I'm not your corners like, yeah,
I'm good, there's.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
No way, guys, there is no way.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I'm gonna get a little pushback on that. Come on,
I'm get a little pushback because mister Jones walks into
the office and says, I'm getting rid of Parsons.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Is there any objection?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Good point, I'm with you. Now. He might have went
home and said, you know, he might running on the
way home. But I just find it.

Speaker 8 (08:29):
Hard to believe that as a defensive coordinator, Like cause,
if I'm Brian Schotenheimer and I'm looking for a head
coaching job, I'm saying to myself.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
But I got a quarterback, right, and I gotta I
want I got a good head start.

Speaker 8 (08:42):
If I got a quarterback and all Pro wide receiver,
I got a damn good head start. I got a
damn good head start at getting this thing off the ground, right.
If I'm a defensive coordinator, I'm looking around and what
I'm saying you were telling me, and I'm a zoom
running defensive coordinator and I got do who can get
to the pass up all by hisself that I don't

(09:02):
need to scheme him up. I don't need to write
it up. I don't need to trick it up.

Speaker 7 (09:06):
Sign me up, Sign me.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
Are you talking about I'm gonna get arguably the top
two pass rushers in the league.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
What do I sign?

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Or do you flip it and say, does ebra Flus
wish he had him ull again?

Speaker 8 (09:19):
Probably if I'd have known all this is going on,
I might have I might have held out. I might
have held out because to get a chance, I just
have to believe this in my mind of coaching anybody,
to get a chance to come into this league and
go I, as a coordinator, get to coach the best

(09:41):
pass rusher in the league Like that is that is
enough to entice me to come to work. If I
get a chance to say, you think when Andy Reid
decides to leave and he goes and the next guy
comes in and goes, Wait, I got a chance to
coach Pat Mahlmes, Yeah, I want that job because that
makes my job. Think about what's Nick Sawston think about

(10:06):
that for a second. Nobody sleeps better than Nick Sourson
at night.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Nobody got all the pieces I got. I got Brendan Aubrey.
What am I worried about?

Speaker 8 (10:17):
I got the best kicker in the National Football League? Hell,
I got Brian Anger, my Pro Bowl punter. You think
he's at you think he's in the bed that I like,
Oh boy, I don't return man, I got. I got
a Pro Bowl returner. He nobody sleeps better than him.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Nobody. Nick Sawston goes to bed at night.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
He goes home and he's like, honey, we got a
game this week, and guess what I got. Brendan Aubrey.
I'm good from seventy. I'm good from seventy and I
don't have to. All I have to make sure is
that the personnel gets on the field. He gonna take
care of the rest. Because it's all the type of
things you look at, like so you think.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
They so.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Kicker. No two story houses, because we don't want you
stubborn it down the stairs.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Probably Hey, no dogs ranch house, ranch concept, No little dogs,
no big dogs. You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (11:12):
Like touch me nothing else nothing man nothing nothing nothing nothing, no, no, no, no, no,
I mean, to to coach in this league is one thing.
To coach in this league, and to coach have the
privilege of coaching exceptional players. Boy, boy, like you you

(11:37):
get a chance to do something like that, I mean, you, you,
you gotta thank your lucky stars.

Speaker 12 (11:42):
Do you think that hindsight being twenty twenty wishes he
would have waited to make these big changes in the
defensive scheme until he could get more of his type
players in, like, wait till next year, really change things up.

Speaker 8 (11:58):
I think I think he thought this would at least
be middle of the road, because middle of the road
with this offense would cover up a lot of the
sins and then it would allow you to get to
next season comfortably. So now you can say, hey, now
we can start adding on to these pieces. But you,

(12:19):
like you might not be here next year because of
how bad this thing has gone.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
And don't get rid of him though, I mean, and
I know it's easy for me to say, well, here's
but I know.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Production counts more for coaches than anything.

Speaker 8 (12:34):
But here's the thing, And this is where we're at now,
in the dangerously part of whether to keep or to
cut ties from a coach when you lose that locker room.
When you lose that locker room and nobody respects you anymore,
that's when I gotta go. If they're still at the

(12:54):
end of this, if you test the temperature in that
locker room and there's still players in that locker that
you value. Because now, remember, when you look at this roster,
you can say a lot of guys aren't going to
be here next year. And if you just look at
it for like, just from a roster perspective, Sam Williams
on the last year of his deal, don't know if
they're resigning him.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Right, Uh?

Speaker 8 (13:16):
Kenneth Murray Kenneth from Oklahoma one year deal, Sam Born
one year deal to one. Dante Fowler I want to say,
is a one year deal? Then you have you have
Kyrie Elam was a.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
One of one year deal? Think of one year deal?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
Chris Trayvon Diggs, they're probably gonna part ways. They're probably
gonna part ways with him at some point in time
this offseason. So you're going to get a host of
new players in. But the core guys. If I come
to my core guys and I'm like, hey, fellas, where
are we at with this thing, and they're like, man,

(13:55):
nobody respects this dude, Nobody listens to this dude, nobody.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
So he's another guy.

Speaker 8 (14:02):
So a bunch of guys either are looking to re
sign or won't be here at all, right, and that
may help in his favor. But at the end of
this thing, if you've lost the voice, if your voice
has been lost and turned off in the locker room,
now nothing I canna do with you. There's nothing like
because now at the moment of adversity again this god man. Listen,

(14:30):
go ahead, bro, We've seen this set and you can't
take two years of this type of firestorm. Now, No,
I'm agree, which is just so you either have to
you either have to fully commit with those picks in
this off season as make the draft defense orientated off
season signing defense orientated to give him the opportunity, or

(14:53):
you gotta go. We got we can't this, this can't be,
this can't be the answer.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
This is why you you people y'all repeatedly hear me
say management got to take a side sometime and saying
we are with this coach or we're you know what
I'm saying. You can't always leave in the middle of
do we get this firestorm?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
When when when.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
They see evil Flus, they gotta see Jerry. They don't
see Jerry, they see a way out with mister Jones,
mister go you you cannot run a team like that.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
You cannot run a team when when when you.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
You can pick the players together, but once the players
hit the field.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You gotta understand from training camp, from.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
From OTA's all you heard was every one of these
guys except Diggs because he was out of town so
he is exempt. But everybody, Oh, this is the great
all this defense, that's all they talked about.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Oh how great it is.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
But you know what, fellas, y'all want under fire.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
This thing wanna be ran wide open when guys in
motion and your secondary don't know. Okay, when we walked
through it, it was slow and easy, but now this
thing is fast and furious. So I'm saying to myself,
who are we gonna get? You know, if we fired
this guy, what type of defense are you gonna run?

(16:25):
And does he have the ability or the authority to
run the defense? He ran zim out of here. It
took him six seven games and almost boxing matches to
get guys to do what he needed them to do.
Then when they finally started looking good, zim out of here.
At LISTA, he played a live in a man. Okay,

(16:45):
we bring in coach eva Flus. Everybody knew from day
one this man has been his own man if from
day one, why is he here?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
He should have never been here. If you was gonna
favor a different he should have never been here.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
You cost it a go because the guy that you paid,
your cornerback that you paid are man corners. Yes, historically
they are been man corners. The two guys that you've
paid have been man corners. And so to your point,
you've put Matt Eberflus in a very vance. Not only
did you put him in a situation where the corners

(17:23):
that he has, which is critical in his own coverage,
are man corners, you took away the one thing that
helped him out by getting away from a generational pass rusher.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
So you crippled him on the outside.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
And this is not me, This is not me, This
is not Nate, you know, carrying the waters people like
to say for Matt Ebraflus, but there are factors in
this thing where this is what he knows, this is
who he's been this is this is not a new
thing that he's also like, Oh now, eureka, I'm going
to his own it's always who he's been. So hiring him,
you put that man in a tough situation with how

(17:57):
you want him to run this defense, and it is
failed measurely, both on.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
His part and to play us part.

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We got your boy ANTHONYMI an heay, what out my dude?

Speaker 11 (20:46):
My dude?

Speaker 15 (20:47):
Hey, Hey, what's up?

Speaker 16 (20:48):
Man?

Speaker 15 (20:48):
Love y'all number one? Hey Eric, good to hear you.

Speaker 10 (20:51):
Man.

Speaker 15 (20:51):
You want of them begins, get on the first time
in the beginning, open up this thing so good. Always
your area in North Carolina. My old lady got a
message for y'all. Man, you tell y'all better leave her
baby alone by his phone and all that. And then
she said she can't tell them, baby. I had you
out there in the little guard thing trying to help me,
and I know it was a bad She said, my baby,

(21:11):
you could talk right here. So when I called him
sitting down on the thing talking and uh, that wasn't
a good area. But you got to listen to the woman.
Help me. Wife, heav your life. You already know how
that going.

Speaker 11 (21:24):
Now.

Speaker 15 (21:24):
I heard a little bit of what y'all was saying,
and I'm kind of on Nate with Nate, on with
evil fruits, Coachiba fruits. I'm not find them or nothing
like that. Let him do what you gotta do. And
I'm with y'all.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
You know, are you on the treadmill today?

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Some wind?

Speaker 15 (21:40):
Yeah? Yeah, I was. I ran in here, I ran out.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, you know you ran from Victam.

Speaker 15 (21:48):
I'm about forty or I'm about forty five. Wait now
you about two thirty five? About to selling me. I
ain't got it no more. But anyway, no, I'm I'm
gonna sew it down. I'm I'm mom. Let the man,
you know, I mean, you know, come on, man, he
put them in a bad situation because y'all had some
you know, you and Michael or whatever, Missus Jones and
Michael whatever that was. You took this man away. Hey,

(22:10):
that's gonna mess anybody up.

Speaker 10 (22:11):
Man.

Speaker 15 (22:11):
Now you gotta figure this thing out on the run. Man.
So I've come to this, by any means necessary, like
how many that would say coach that will say, play
to win the game. So play the win the game.
We gonna remember what I told y'all a couple of
weeks ago about that and how good he is playing.
In that he faltered in the offense faultures, he gonna
get some of the blame. I'm on you. I don't

(22:32):
have no on social media, but I'm gonna do two.
And I listened to comments and watch the comments. There
were a few, well, no matter how bad they played,
Dack had the ball last and they just that was
the boo boo drive and all that. Now, man, we
can't do that. Man, the man's going thirty something a game.
How can't he You know, he can't kick that up? Man,
he might They might make a mistake or something. So
by any means necessary, from now on, let's just win

(22:52):
the dog on game. I don't care. Offense, if you
gotta do it, you gotta throw pickings and see the
ball all the time. I don't care. Let's just win
the game. Defense, help them out a little bit, help
him out. So with that, man said, I'm gonna trust
the defense. I'm gonna take tiple ten away from the
offense and what they would have done and give it
to the defense. So I'm say the defense, don't just
give up twenty three. Offense gonna score twenty nine and

(23:14):
we'll beat these commanders.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I love y'all, thank you, thank you for that,
because we have a new rule starting today. If you
ain't got the Cowboys going at least thirty points, we're
not gonna mark your heay tray.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Is he still there? Is that he's still there? I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
I that's fine because he lost his privileges when he
said he's leaving it to the defense.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah, no matter.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Hey, if you call it and say twenty nine, you
out got to be thirty.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I'm convinced of that.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Jest, it's got to be thirty to have a chance
to win average thirty a games.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, they gotta have it.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah, Kurt has a good question.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Kurt asked you a question about losing fate in the
in the defense by going for it numbers.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
Then, oh, with the Aubrey's range.

Speaker 12 (24:03):
Yeah, I was one of this. I was singing at
the time. Last week It was the second quarter. It
was ten to ten, fourth and fourth of Carolina thirty,
and that to me, it was early in the game.
It's tired. That's I thought for certain they'd kick it.
You know, it's almost a guarantee with Aubrey. No, they
went for it. Now it turned out it worked, they
scored a touchdown. But it made me think, man, they

(24:25):
got no faith in this defense.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
You know what it made me think.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I went back to our conversation on the show about
was it week one or week two where they didn't
go for it on fourth down? And you were like,
pull them out, put them on the table and say, guys,
I believe in that's what That's kind of where I
went was like, maybe he's trying to re establish like
it's early in the game, we should take the points,
but let's go, let's go for it.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
He's telling the truth he's putting to.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
And that's why I was shocked Jesse that he did
not say forget his run. It was just too obvious, Bro,
it was too obvious that their.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Defensive line was winning. Man, boy, they'd have been It would.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Have been sent up as saying, we don't need to
see Dak throw the ball sixty five times a game.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
That was just one of these games.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Now I believe that, Man, is that a shifting overall mentality,
like we gotta do this going forward?

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Or was it just that the way that game was played.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I'm telling you, man, go to watch the first seven
plays of Carolina's defense and it would tell you everything
you need to know. So when coach went for that,
you know, everybody like, oh, I say, y'all, just let's
ride this out. And by the end of the game,
everybody like, man, we shouldn't even be trying to run
this ball.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I'm telling you we should have. We should have bombed away.

Speaker 12 (25:45):
You think they're going to take more risks.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
They have to. They have to because they don't hurt three.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
Three's not getting it right.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
It's not because you you look up. I mean you
have you have a six game sample, You have a
six game sample as a head coach, as a offensive
play caller that this defense just isn't giving you. Now,
you may get into a game where you're saying, all right,
now our defense is playing today, maybe I'll take the
field goal now. But like you, you don't know what
this defense and you the Cowboys punted the ball with

(26:16):
six minutes and two seconds left. Their mindset is we
were gonna get it back. They never saw the football
again and they lost the game. So I think you're
gonna see from here on out, Brian Schottenheim and be
uber aggressive in those moments. And it's not that they
lost faith in Aubrey, absolutely not. They lost facing that

(26:36):
he lost face in that defense. I can't I can't
give up opportunities now because the defense has been giving
up so many points and so many possessions. We go
back to the game before that when we're talking about
against the against the Packers, it scores in six straight
possessions in the second half, Like.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
You can't stop anybody.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
At an average of six point five yards a clip.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
So when you when you're talking about having to work
through these games as a play caller, our best defense
is our offense. We gotta we gotta get to that
thirty However that means we you know, by Anthony when
he says, you know, by any means necessary, offensively, by
any means necessary, we've got to go get a touchdown.

(27:25):
We got to go get thirty points.

Speaker 12 (27:27):
Could see more interceptions and things like that.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Uh, you know if this was a couple of years ago,
I would say yes. But the way that DAK is
processing stuff now like CD coming back, DAK is just
processing at a very very high level. Now, don't get
me wrong, there isn't a there isn't a quarterback in
NFL history that has gone through a season and did

(27:54):
not throw an interception. It's it's gonna happen, right, It's
gonna happen at some point in time. It's his mistake
or someone.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
Else said it should have already happen from a drop.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
So like, yes, sir, in the validity of what I'm saying,
give Anthony one more point. Put thirty right there for
him because he don't want them disqualified.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
But I'm looking at the stats overall.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Up into the six game, Dallas is scoring twenty nine
point seven. The opponent is going thirty point seven. So
if you ain't coming in his house talking about thirty
point seven thirty one points, what are you talking about.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I'm just being really, I'm being Jesse contact men.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
For Kurt, A very wise man once said he didn't
say this, but he said something like it.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
We are who they think we are.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yah, we are think we are.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
All right, let's take our last break. Well, you know what, Chris,
let's take one more call be for we go to break.
Who we got? We got Darren in New York, Aaron
in New York. What's up?

Speaker 11 (29:02):
Guys? Hey, we thank you for can you hear me?

Speaker 12 (29:06):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Thank you for taking my call. I can't believe I'm
talking to the great uh Nate Newton, the kitchen man.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
This is Urtels.

Speaker 11 (29:21):
You guys are all great? You are you are? Jesse
is the most opinionated though, so I'm like, Wow, Jesse's real,
He's real.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
I'm a j guy. You should understand this. You're in
New York, Jersey.

Speaker 11 (29:35):
Got totally understood now. So here's my question. All right, So,
so why is it It's it's clear to the fan
that Trayvon.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Diggs, I know he's got this issue now with a concussion,
but he doesn't want to tackle how you know can
And I think last year the reporter I think his
name is Mike Leslie, he said something about Diggs's effort.
How is it that like the media and the coaches are,

(30:11):
or at least the media, nobody's saying anything about it.
Just maybe take me inside and help me understand, Like,
are the coaches and the rest of the players who
can see this, are they not saying anything? Why is
he not being benched? It's clear, It's clear that he
has no desire.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
When the tailback has got a full head of steam,
he has no desire to tackle.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
So that's my question.

Speaker 11 (30:39):
Why what's happening? Who's criticizing? Why is an't he being
called out?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
And I know there's not much behind him because that
kid from Buffalo doesn't play well, But I mean, what
can be done here?

Speaker 7 (30:54):
Darren?

Speaker 5 (30:54):
What's your great question? We'll get to in a second.
What's your score for the game?

Speaker 11 (31:00):
I think the Cowboy's gonna win. You know they're going
to come out more physical, so I would say thirty.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
They're gonna come in more physical. You're just talking about
a god not tackling, not gonna come out more.

Speaker 15 (31:10):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I love it, Jerry, Joe, love me.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Lord.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
What's your score?

Speaker 15 (31:18):
Thirty?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Thirty to thirty to twenty one?

Speaker 11 (31:20):
Cowboys win.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
They they may even put up thirty five.

Speaker 11 (31:24):
I see an angry.

Speaker 7 (31:26):
We're gonna give you thirty five. They may need it
to wear.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Thank you, Derek, You great question, why you chop I
call I love it.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Thank you there, thanks for calling me. Love you God man,
Jerry Joes, love you. What man?

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Just what?

Speaker 8 (31:42):
The man went on an entire rant about a guy
tackling and what are we doing about it?

Speaker 4 (31:47):
And YadA, YadA YadA.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
Then comes out and says, I think they're gonna be physical.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
You know, hold on, know what show this is. Everybody's
looking for just something. But you just told about the
lack of physicalness. Let me talk about one guy. He
thinks the rest everybody saying what are the coaches saying?
What are the coaches doing? Why nobody is addressing this, which,
by the.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Way, they have addressed and you've heard coaches talk about
it before being a willing participant. The conversation about Trayvon
Diggs and others not tackling has been talked about in
the media and by the coaches, and I'm gonna be
honest with you, that's not just a Trayvon Diggs thing.
That's a national football defensive back thing. They just don't
want to tackle. Dbs don't want to tackle.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
The great deal.

Speaker 8 (32:33):
Then it says, they don't pay me to tackle, they
pay me to cover. So you know it's yes, but
that's another That's another part of the zone defense because
a lot of times you're the defense is designed to
funnel certain things to the safety, filling the alley, the cornerback,
filling the alley, crack and replace and all that kind

(32:54):
of stuff has happened in the zone defense. Another reason
why this might have been a bad hire for the
Cowboys cause in order to be a good zone defense,
you have to have dbs that are more than willing
participants in the tackling game.

Speaker 7 (33:08):
All right, let's take our last break when we come back.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Predictions There, predictions Jesse stat to watch in Nate Jesse's
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Speaker 5 (37:15):
Before we get off there, Chris one more quick. Call
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Speaker 1 (37:24):
Lester be quick from Minnesota.

Speaker 16 (37:26):
Lester, Hey boys, I'll be quick today. I'm my score
thirty eight thirty six.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 16 (37:34):
I'm glad to have cd back. I think that our
coach is doing a really good job on the offensive side.
He is an offensive coach. I think Jerry should have
let him hire his defensive coach because I believe Eva
Frus was hired before he hired our coach, and I

(37:55):
think Jerry should stop hiring all these two deep zone
coach is on the defense side.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
Go Cowboys, Thank you, good job, Lester, Thank you les
great call, Get in and get out, give us a score.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
Jesse. Stat to watch this week.

Speaker 8 (38:11):
The stat that we have to watch this week, and
this is going to be one that will have to
review after the game. It's how many design runs that
the Washington offense gives Jaydon Daniels. They have limited him
this year because he's already been hurt early with the

(38:32):
knee injury. He missed two games, but his run attempts
not as scrambles. He's had more scrambles this year, but
his running attempts. If they have more than six design
runs for Jaydon and Daniels, yeah, six design runs?

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Does that include RPOs?

Speaker 10 (38:52):
So?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yes, okay, all right Cowboys, all right, Nate, tell me
a couple of guys that up out of jump out
at you when you watch film of the commanders, who
should we keep an eye on if we want to
watch the game within the game.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I am going from last week with the inside guys,
because the inside guy's rectors last week, So I'm going
with dron Paying number ninety four and Javon Kendlall number
ninety nine. Like Jesse said, if you want to make
constant hate, it's gonna have to be on the outside.
You know, what about you, Jess, whre's a couple of guys.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Bill Bill o'hill bill, it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Be gonna be trying to make up for last week. Yeah,
you had kind of a messed up game. One of
the thumbers one on him, you know.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
And and keep a keep a close eye out on
on on Easy Ed's son, Ed McCaffrey. Keep keep an
eye out on Luke McCaffrey.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
No, Terry McLaurin. You know he is.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
He can run routes, He can run routes, and just
about almost every game they try to run some sort
of loopy doopy something with Luke McCaffrey, some sort of
trick play type thing. So Cliff Cliff Kingsbury uses him
in that type of fashion as well, so let's just
hope that Luke McCaffrey isn't running streak free down.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
The football field wide open.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
But don't don't forget about uh Luke McCaffrey in the
in the in the past game.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
I'm gonna watch Frankie Lulu just because he's fun.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
You won't you get wrong.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
You're gonna see him.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
He's fun to watch, don't forget. The return Player of
the week is Darren's armstrong. We just put him on
the back page defensive. We had to deal with this
cat in Carolina. Now it's every week I'm looking on him.
Who is returning and who was upset and mad? So
angry Player of the.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Week, angry player, the angry player, Ring's Player of the
Week d a pringe player.

Speaker 7 (40:48):
Okay, all right, Kurt, Yeah, score prediction at home.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Dak is undefeated against the Commanders at home. He's gonna
keep the streak alive.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
To be a homer.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
I'm sorry, it's gonna be like thirty eight thirty six.

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Thirty eight thirty six Cowboys, Right, Nate.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's gonna be over thirty. You just pick whatever you
want over the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Christally fifteen sixty Yeah, no, I'm gonna say thirty one seventeen,
thirty one seventeen.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
I am gonna go barn Burner, scorched Earth, forty eight,
forty two Cowboys, no field goals, all right.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Jesse, I'm on an island by myself.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm on no Devo.

Speaker 8 (41:42):
No, I'm on an island by myself. I think Bill
and Jayson Daniels are going to run rough shot all
over the Cowboys defense this game. I think, uh, you're
gonna see some players by the old man zach Ertz.
I got this one being Commander's thirty four Cowboys thirty oh, so.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
They got to get thirty one to win.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Now, thirty ain't gonna get it anymore. We get it
up it all right, we got one minute left. Anybody
won't talk about anything. What are y'all doing this weekend?
You you at the stadium.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
You're here.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
We at the stadium.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
We've got this homecoming thing coming, so yeah, we'll be
at the stadium.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
Please join us homecoming?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (42:26):
Oh nice, very nice.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Cheerleaders and miss miss Kelly no Amy, this cruise Emily,
I'm like, lord, jeez, how much money she don't make
me over?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I forget her name?

Speaker 7 (42:43):
What is it three game?

Speaker 4 (42:45):
And then yes, got the sun?

Speaker 8 (42:47):
Oh you know, okay, Sho, don't tempt this, don't tempt
the sun God Shoty.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
I was down there for the monster trucks.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
We did the pit pass before the actual thing, and
it was a about five something. I don't know how
you catch a ball, especially if you're looking this way
and then you look back like I could see if.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
You're running into like your eyes would adjust a little bit.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
But if you're running not looking at it and you
look I don't see how anybody could catch a.

Speaker 12 (43:18):
Wish they could figure out how to use this to
their advantage.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
But is there any way you could home field?

Speaker 8 (43:24):
You can try to get the ball, so hopefully you're
going in a certain direction. Maybe in the second like
if it's off set, maybe thrown.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, possibly on bro.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
They can't even do a COVI of.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
T all right, Fellas, good stuff, Jesse, Nate, Kurt, good
seeing all of you. Chris, thanks for keeping us on
the air. Josh, thanks for keeping him company. We will
be back on Victory Monday next week.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
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