December 5, 2025 • 48 mins
Nate Newton, Jesse Holley and Shannon Gross discuss latest Dallas Cowboys news.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys blowing out of the backfield six flombing down the sideline.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This he is hanging with the boys. Now your hosts.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross sharing him.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
You are looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Fort
Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas, where it is
currently fifty one degrees feels like forty four. The highest
fifty three, the low is thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
He is Shannon, and that is Nate in the back
of Chris Bean looking keeping his live and local have
no clue what Curt is that maybe he's getting all
his pumps in so that he doesn't get a flag.
I am salt and pepper poppy together, we me hang
it with the boys. The sports talk equivalent to brewll people.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
When we speak wings stop is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And full of fact.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yes, you got me sweating man. Thank you Kurt for
your donation. Kurt is out, but we got his order.
So anybody in the building that is listening, Oh never mind,
we already gave yours away.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, we already ratched it up.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Nate has found a new flavor that he likes. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Thank you, kurtday.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
He stole Kurt's Louisiana rub. He normally gets plain wings
and uh he is uh about halfway through a box
in about three minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So what you go over there with your gurly wings?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I got wings, that's funny. I got lemon pepper. I
got the Cowboy flavor, which is half hot half lemon pepper. No,
these are just hot. And then mango habit arrow and
then a big old boat of fries with a fork,
with a fork because I can't I'm from Louisiana. I
can't eat clean, especially when chicken is on a bone.
(02:10):
If I tried to eat this on this show, I
would have sauce on the wall, on the microphone, probably
on you or on my face. It just wouldn't be nice.
So it's just easier. And then I eat it with
a fork and Jesse's giving me grief. It's fine. I
(02:30):
won't tell you what he actually said. Off the air.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We'll definitely get in trouble for that.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That might be Yeah, that might actually take us off
the air.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I will definitely take us off the air.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So I hope you guys are ready to talk today
because I got a lot of wings to eat.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
We'll let we'll let let.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Me get a quick shot. Let me give a shot out.
Can you do one thing for me real quick?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Sure? Can you move the mic that's in Shannon's shot,
because I want to see all the Shannon. It's it's
Kurt's my a cur that's go the other way either way.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
He got the other way right there.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
That's it I've never heard, and I want to see
all of him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's all of me, all of you. I do. I
give a shout out. Do not know his name, but
shout out to the dude who saw me in Walmart.
And he was about two or three holes over and
this is what I respect like, this is a good,
respectable thing. He got my attention and he kind of
just mouthed to me across the aisles, I have you
(03:27):
with the boys, and I'm like, yeah, so I don't
know your name, you know who you are. You saw me,
he said, you know, he watches the show, So I
appreciate your brother. The guy that I saw Walmart that
gave me a shout out, didn't make a scene. Didn't.
He got his stuff. I got my stuff, and he said,
hanging with the boys. So I get it, Nate, when
you're out and about and they go hang out with
the boys.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I was like, so, what Jesse's really saying. It's like
that that commercial where somebody says something and then they
tell you what they're saying. Jesse's saying, thanks for acknowledging
and appreciating the show, but were also leaving me alone
and not coming up and talking to me.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No, no, don't don't do that. God no, because if
he would have came up and talked to me, I
would have I would have showed him love. But I
appreciate that like he acknowledged it. We made our contact.
He gave me a shout out and gave him a
shout out, and I wanted to make sure that I said,
I see your brother, and I appreciate because you never know.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's when you see people in public and they appreciate
the show or shows in in y'all's case, y'all are
on multiple shows. You never know what you're gonna get.
I would say eighty percent of the time, it's just oh,
it's a.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Vibe kill I almost forgot I shout out to by
the way, what you got?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
What you got?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I saw it g in Jersey yesterday. WHOA took a
picture with him?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
He was in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He was in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
What U g shout out buddy, Oh, Jesse got a bag?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I got gifts, so shut out. So remember remember last
week where my boyfriend, Yeah, there you go. Remember yeah,
last week we only had we only sent one. Yeah,
he said, I gotta do better. I gotta do better.
So he got one for everybody.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Look at that, everybody, you get one?
Speaker 5 (05:04):
What you get one?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
You get one?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Everybody that made you get one? Boom?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Okay cuts your cuts by Jones, Oh in easy. Look
of that.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Thank you a little bit too.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
They're wow, it's come with a tie.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Not no ties. No, Kirk got one. But he also
because he loves he loves the cowboy legends, and so
he even went a little bit further a little got
a little something for Nate.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
What he got he did a little.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Sixty one man. That's sweat.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
That's sweet. That man right there, Man, give me that bag,
Give me that bag. I don't want to beat it up.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He forget about your boy j Holly though, look at
that about you yes, man about your boy Jo got
right there.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So my boy Fred Man cuts by Jones. Man, he
gave us a Christmas gift. Uh, Chris, you already got one.
You got the you got the you got the original,
you got the original, So you got the original one. Kurt,
you'll get your when you come back. But Fred, we
appreciate you brother so much Man for the Christmas gifts.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I'm so glad you sent that. That's great in my office.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, absolutely put up on my office today.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
That's a lot of man hours he spent.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Man, he's so talented.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So y'all looking to do some Christmas gifts and you
want stuff like that, go see my boy.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Cuts working at zon z on the social media.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah. I think if you just go into like Instagram
and do cut by Jones or Twitter cut by jones.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Z Man, that is awesome, good dope right here. That
all right? Well we got to talk about.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
It about what the game last night?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Oh okay, the Man starvery game turn next time we
could talk about that, but I mean we only have
it is Friday. It's weird we actually have a show
on Friday after a game. It's typically, well, I guess
we do unless it's Thanksgiving, so we'll just dedicate one
day to it even though we don't. You know, to me,
it came down to three things on both sides, special
(07:18):
team three. Well more than that, but I think three
things really summed it up. Special teams, pressure on both sides.
And there was one more thing that I forgot. Turnovers,
lack of creation, uh and turning the ball over bad
giving up bad field position on special teams JET three.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That's just I was just recappitable telling you about each one,
and then lack of pressure and then the offensive line
just they just couldn't hold those guys back.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
And what's the deal is is its Cavante got like
me is he got short arms and that's causing something
to with the with the fair That's what three this year.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Three in the last three or four weeks.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Who in the last two weeks, they haven't made that
call in like two thousand days. I know, think Bobby
Belt put out there, it's like been like two thousand days.
It's the last fair catch. Illegal fair catch places like
two thousand days or something like that.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
In the league. Gets the Cowboys in the league.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
What it's been that long and he's gotten two in
the last two weeks.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
What is I don't do you know what's going on,
mister Special Teams Guru? Is that is he so freaking out?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I don't. I don't know. Here's what I don't like, though,
Here's what I don't like. I think Cavante has lost
the teeth and the thing, the hunger for the thing
that got him in this league. I think that once
(08:51):
he got paid and now he's kind of got a
more prominent role as a receiver, especially aren't important to him.
He's more and so he has he has the relax
and his mentals and his focus because remember teams were
used to be afraid of kick to him. He used
to flip the field. And now he's been a non
factor and you've you're causing more harm than you are good.
(09:16):
We saw Detroit last night. They had the white Devin
Hester back there. Every time he touched the ball on
the kickoff he was getting it back to the plus
out of the field for the Detroit Lions, so they
can short field those those hitting yards that we used
to get. We're not getting it with Kamante anymore. And
it just feels like he's like, I don't know if
he's saving energy just for offense or he's trying to
conserve himself to be more offensive minded. But oh, this
(09:39):
is what this is what got you to this league.
This will probably will keep you in this league. Like
that needs to be a main focus of yours because
you were really, really good at it when you were hungry.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It just feels like that's getting you to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Like I think, like, I don't know, man, and I
know that we sometimes and Jerry when he decides he
wants to bring it up when get paid and they
start to decline a little bit. You might have talked
about Cavante be coming in that conversation of guys who
gotten paid and all of a sudden, the thing they
got paid for they ain't really good at.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
No more.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Nate, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I just since you want to forget the game all
of what you guys have said, and I'll go back
to what I said in training camp. This team is
still what I think it is. It's a team that's
trying to find its way. It's a team that's made
a few acquisitions, won some tight games, but once again
(10:36):
and I've been more specific in what I'm saying is
the matchup for me yesterday was how would you stop
your mere Gibbs?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
And we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We don't have no linebackers that can covering, no safeties
that can covering. So now we're trying to put corners
out there. But you forgot when you put the corners
out there. Oh, we got James and Williams and we
got Alma Saint Brown. Is I'm pronouncing that right? I'm
and Raw a'man ra st Brown, which, by.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The way, fake last name, fake last name. Did you
guys know that? No, fake last name? What do you
mean his last name is brown?
Speaker 8 (11:18):
What?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
His dad added the saint to it because he thought
it would look good on the jersey when he made
it to the NFL from birth from birth, fake name.
But he saw it, but he saw the vision vision.
His dad said, that's why God's name like Aemius, his
brother name Academius Aquanemius, and he has another brother like
like o Cyrus, and then this a'man Rath. Their last
(11:41):
name is brown. He added the saint brown because his vision,
like LeVar Ball, was like, my boys is gonna make
it to the NFL, and it's gonna look good when
it sees Saint Brown on the back of the Jersey. Wow.
Fake name.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh that's the only kind of information you can get
on this show.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Fake name. The whole time you're think of this, I
was like, wait, second, I was just sitting there from
as he friend is he. I was like, now he
does have a white mama. But I was like, what
black dudes you know named Saint Brown. I don't know,
no black dudes named Saint Brown. Looked it up whole time,
Dad made it up.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Wow, great storage yet, But the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That was Brown back in Jersey, Yeah, out.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of the Saint.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The thing that was amazing is when you trying to
put a corner on one of your better covered safeties
out there on Jamire Gibbs. Now you got two guys,
fake name or not. They once they saw who were
who was going to be in the passing situation groups,
(12:47):
the dying the nickel, they just started running rub routes,
switch routes and putting uh.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Markey's uh Wilson they put.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Him in back.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That's that's coaching them, my brother. But so that's also
a lack of your player's skill set too. And they
saw that and they took advantage of that. And on
top of that, right there, I can solve all the
problems simply by saying, Hey, when you're on the kickoff team,
it's called stay in your lanes and disengage your blocks
(13:24):
in your lanes.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Don't jump around them. Run through them. What happened to
your heart? Run through them? Hey, look at.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Here, fellas solving that Jamiir Gibbs problem.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Nah, j.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, it's not gonna be solved. You don't have the
linebackers are the safeties to deal with that. When you
see him shaking cornerbacks out there in the open field, you.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Can't deal that. That was my pregame as long.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
As they got Jamier Gibbs and then they concentrated on
not letting him run. And then you got Montgomery just
gas you. So this you faced a team that was
from top to bottom, from your coaching staff to your players,
outplayed you yesterday.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
This was bound to happen.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Jesse, heavy hand raise. Yeah, always paying the camera.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Point every single week. Don't waste your time looking around
for other shows. Don't do it.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Don't do it. Because Shannon is getting ready to read
you something off his stats that you heard here last week.
That's right about what was going to be the key
factor that the Cowboys had to watch out for Shannon.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Shannon read that the running backs as a group sixty
five yards or more receiving, the Cowboys would lose.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
One running back.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Had that one running back had seventy seven, you held
him to forty three rushing.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yes, And if you remember that statement started with Jamier
Gibbs having fifty yards or more receivers and I said
we'll add Montgomery into that mix and bumping up to
seventy five. Sixty five sixty five excuse me, Yeah, the
first those were.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And those were basically just long handoffs.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Well, here's the thing, and this is this is when
when Nate comes in here and he tells you, for
the last seven years, equal to or better talent. Yes,
right now, how do you create the matchups? And when
you start talking about the teams that have been superior
(15:38):
in this league over the last couple of years, it's
they dictated to the Cowboys. I'm going to get Jamiir
Gibbs in the space that I want them, and I
know that it is it today is a is a
perfect day for everyone to go see Matt Eberflus, get
him the hell out of here, get him the hell
(15:58):
out of there, and listen, I'm I'm not gonna fight y'all.
Y'all can have that opinion. Nate tells me to tell
y'all to make sure that I might saying, Jesse, let
them fan how they want a fan. I'm gonna let
your fan how you want a fan. But the problem
is y'all, saying Jesse, even if we seed the blitz bore, blitchbore,
blitz bore and blitch bolt, and then do what and
then do what when one on one, Now you got
(16:20):
Jamir Gibbs out in space because you then blitch guys,
and the people in the booth for the Detroit Lions say, well,
we have an advantage. And now you say, press man
across the board, Okay, cool, you don't you don't have
to shut down Pressman corners. So what happens now when
I'm Rob breaks one and Garrett Goff gets it to
him to the house, you did not have an answer
(16:40):
for Jamir Gibbs. They knew it, and they exposed it.
They said, okay, cool, they got a.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Good front four.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No problem. All we gonna do now is instead of
handing it off the ball to run inside zone, We're
gonna dump it off to them on the outside zone
and let him do it. They ran screens. They just
basically ran screens. Got you don't want to deal with
Jamir Gibbs in space. He is one of the premier
backs in the National Football League. And that's the part
where coaching matters. In conjunction with the Jimmies and Joe's.
(17:08):
You don't have the guys, and we can continue to
blame Matt ever Flus, I'm cool fan. How you want
a fan. There's nothing he can do. There's nothing he
could have done, because no matter whether you put Overshown,
no matter you put Kenneth from Oklahoma, no matter if
you put Logan Wilson, no who else out there lea foul,
(17:32):
they cannot guard Jamiir Gibbs one on one in space.
Detroit knew it, and they said, instead of running him,
we're gonna just throw it to him. And he had,
he had, he had, he had total he had over
one hundred yards of scrimmage yards, but he had seventy
seven seventy seven yards in the passing game. And three touchdowns.
That was the difference maker. That was a difference maker.
(17:53):
You had no answer for that too. The thing that
showed up that has been plaguing this Cowboys for football
team for a decade, for a decade. This is an
undisciplined football team. It has been that way for a decade.
Go turn on the film.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
When you say discipline, explain what you mean by it.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The penalties, assignment, alignment, tackling that ain't got nothing to
do with ability. That ain't got nothing to do with ability,
Stay on sides, don't grab, don't create, don't create penalties,
don't do stupid stuff to back your team up on
special teams. All these things are preventable. But yet still
the Cowboys as they are. They lead the league of
(18:40):
penalties this year, they're number one in penalties. I think
that's all a stat Last night. They had over a
thousand yards of penalties in this season. Like it's it's
it has crushed them. And when you're playing the high,
high quality opponents that can match you athlete for athlete,
(19:04):
and then their coaching is superior, the place, the turnovers
and the discipline, those are those small little factors that
come into play and you know, I know that we'll
get into it at some point in time to day.
We want to talk about the whole George Pickens thing,
and we can talk about that after the break. But
this team's an undisciplined football team. They've been that way
(19:26):
for a long time.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think what you saw last night is what you
what you both have always said, equaler greater talent. You
have to play your best game, no mental mistakes, no turnovers,
and you saw what happens. You can't you can't close
that gap whenever you have a sloppy.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And I'll give it, give you even more of a
chess match game right where some of you will say, well,
shot he was conservative. He should have went forward right
before the half. He was trying to play the middle
later right, you're down eleven, kick a field goal, get
the ball back at the half. I'm not mad at it, right,
So I wasn't mad at it either, But the chess
matching all that was right. What happened was Shoty what
(20:04):
he immediately put his field goal team on the field
to kick a field goal. You know Dan Campbell did.
He called the time out. It's not the clock, so
you can go for a field go great, that means
I'll get more time. What shot he should have done
was march his team back out there, act like he
was going to go and either make either run some
more clock as much as he can, or make them
(20:25):
force themselves to call time out earlier or later in
the play clock. But that's the chess match. Those are
the little things that and I think Shoty has learning
doing that. Dan Campbell has a couple of years on
him as a head coach, so he's he's he's battle
tested a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Learning those little trick those little tricks in the trade,
those little tricks.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
In the trade.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Fire in the fire, right, Yeah, that's what field not
not when you sit up there with the fellas and
everybody came and cool, Oh I do this If he
do that in the fire.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know what I'm gonna ask y'all a question about
being in the fire and being in the living room.
What the how I was thinking about that last night.
I'll get to the question when we come back. All right,
that's a tease. Yeah, go and eat you girly snop,
be right back.
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In the beginning of the video, and then he walks
in and he's kind of holding his you can tell
he's holding his camera in his hand. And and your
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friend over wingstop that you always go to pops out
of the kids.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
He goes, hey, mister Jesse, right back to it. Yeah,
I told you I don't make this stuff up. I
told you when I go in there, this young lady
won't call me. She called me mister Jesse. I'd be like, oh,
he's lying one and that s enough. She popped that
from the back. Hey, mister Jesse. I'm like, you're all right.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
She was like yeah, I said, okay, that's so great.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Phil.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I had registers like what's your name? Sara him miss
Jesse put your order in his mister Jesse.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
On that he does it. She does like, well, she
takes my order like they have a screen in there now,
so you know where your order is a kind of
in the in the queue, which was.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Smart, by the way, because you go in there and
it be chaos, and you like, how much longer, how much.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's up there? She always puts in there, mister Jesse.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Mister Jesse, no, she knows, she knows how to spell it.
That's talent.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I had to correct that time too, but she got it.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I had a thought last night during the game. Doesn't
happen very often, but as as Schottenheimer, toward the end
of the game was debating on whether to take the
time out for the ten second runoff and all that,
and that's where you know, that's where coaching, you know,
really matters is in moments like that. And I know, Chris,
you know from being on the field, just the perspective
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of being on the sideline of a football game is
one hundred and eighty degrees different than what it is
on TV. You don't have the help of the lower thirds.
You don't you have to locate the you know, the clocks,
and you have to know exactly what's going on and
nobody's you don't have announcers telling you what's going on
and spotters circling things. It's you're in the moment, you're
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making decisions. You're the head coach. How big of a
difference as players like being on the field and just
the active of being inches away from the guy that's
covering you and not you know, it's one thing to
watch it on TV from the cameras up in the
in the Grand stands, how big of a difference is
that one is players? And then how much pressure and
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pressure cooker does that put a coaching staff in as
it's going in the heat of the fire, like you
said in the moment, like just tell people how big
of a difference that is when you're on that field
as to watching a game.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
To to go from practicing at havelf speed or less.
And I'm talking about playing against a great player, a
player of equal ability. You got to know the play
from an offensive standpoint. You got to know the.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Variables off of that play.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
If this got line up inside, if this got line
up outside, if it's a linebacker over you, you got
to know that.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Now you got to know how good.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
This player is and what this player can do to
you in this situation. You got to be calculating all
of that as you walking up to the line, as
you as the quarterback barking out signals and there whether
they're like the coach at Philadelphia, he good at moving.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
His players late. So make make you know.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Some guys like to fake in and out, but this
coach at Philadelphia, he good at moving This defensive player
is late, are sending And I'm talking about offensive defensive
line play, directional movement to strength of strength or either
the strength side or either the weak side. So all
of those things got to be calculated and estimated, and
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maybe about how many seconds just.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You get You get thirty five forty seconds.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, But what I'm saying, once you hit that offensive
line and once started.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Lining up, you got about five or six seconds, yeah,
to try to compute it.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So when Dak's walking up and he's he's walking to
the line, he sees the defense and he's he's Okay,
I'm gonna move into this and we'll do this. And
then he also walking through scenarios like, Okay, if this
linebacker drops back into coverage, that's gonna get me an
opportunity to run.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
If he's got to be anticipating a lot quicker than that, right,
he gotta be anticipating a lot, But he thinking.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Things like that, if this happens, this is what I'm doing,
and this But this.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is where this is where the film study comes into
play for guys like that, because you come to the
line and already, Okay, I get into the huddle, I
know it's third and four. Well, all week long, I
went through my third down package. There's a coach that
every meeting every day right Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, every
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coach that is assigned to a day, and today is
when we do install excuse me, hey, first down, all
the cutups of what this team does primarily on first down.
Next day, another coach might have, Hey, this second down
stuff they like to do on second downs. Then the
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coach do a third down day third, medium, third and short,
third and long. Hey here somebody that does what they're
do in the red zone. So now I taken all
this information throughout the week, through my film study, through
my practice, and now it's it's it's ingrained in me.
So now when I get to the field, plays over,
(30:23):
what's it down in distance? I'm now because once the
play is over, I'm recalibrating and recalculating the next play. Okay,
third and two? Now what are they running in third
and two?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
They like to run cover four right here, or cover
two or this is where they like to he guys
up at.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
And you're doing all that while you're walking.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm walking to the huddle as the coach is talking
into my ear for a quarterback, right all right, dak
here we go man, third and two, here we go,
you know, watch out, and the coach by saying, hey,
watch out right here, man, I like to bring that
cat corner, or like to bring off the BLI off
the slot. Oh hey, they like to do this. All right,
here's the play and most of the time, now you're
getting two plays. That's why when you hear god go
kill kill kill, kill kill, or like he's tapping his
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helmet and everybody, he's changing the play. So I get
two calls in. Now I gotta calculate all that, get
the play call, make sure I got the right personnel,
and then bark it out to the guys. While as
a receiver, as I'm coming back to the huddle, I'm
also calculating down in distance. All right, what did coach
say throughout the week for my film study and my
(31:21):
practice to my meetings. All right, we're probably gonna get
covered too.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And remembering the play and remember the snap.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
This is me walking back to the huddle. Then I
get to the huddle, and then now he barks out
this long play. They got two plays in it pass
play to run run, the pass pass the pass run
to run. We break the huddle. Now I gotta remember
everything that he said, everything that my coaching taught me
throughout the week, and now I have to have a
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I'm leaving the huddle with a kind of of an
educated guest. Well, here's the plays that they usually run,
or the formation that they usually run defensively wise, and
then I line up and now I'm checking out the
safe also while having to remember what the snack count was?
Did he kill the play? What was the play again?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
What is my route?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Am I on the line? Reft of my good?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So all this stuff is happening, and it's happening lightning quick. Oh,
by the way, I'm on the road. So eighty thousand
people are scrimming at the top of their lungs, so
I can't even hear myself think. And then he's going
white eighty You're like.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Oh, oh, and as offensive and that's offensive line. On
a smaller scale, I'm going through that same thing. And
the worst thing you want to be is going down
on a game winning drive.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
And you locked into this play because you know it's
gonna work, because.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Everything is lined up for you personally, and that man
say kill kill. Oh, you gotta recalibrate, and you gotta
recalibrate everything real quick like that.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
And there was a portion of the game last night
where they tried the Cowboys offensively, tried to change the
tempo kind of more hurry up. Yeah, And a lot
of times you go, all right, cool, we get defense,
can't sell out. We got them on their heels. But
guess what, no offens. Fat boy's up front tired too.
You saw Nate Thomas, he was out there, a guy
who's not used to playing all those snaps. Remember he's
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not conditioned because he's not playing every week. You know
what I'm saying for he goes three four, five weeks,
he don't see a rep in the game. He might
get field gold, right, but other than that, he ain't
seeing a rep to now inserting him into the mix,
and they just spec the temple up. When a big
line is standing straight up and them hands on his hips,
he's searching for the air. He's just searching for any
(33:35):
bit of air now. And I want to say with
Jimmy Johnson who said fatigue makes cows of it all,
Vince Lombard, excuse me, Yeah, fatigua make cows of us all.
So when you tired, you don't even think right, you
don't even think right. And I want to say this too.
This is a completely sidebar all you catt that's wear
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these seisty masses, sisy masks because Jamison Williams had it
all last night. Y'all are cycles. I'm telling you. I
did a bit last week.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Striction you breathing.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Boy, I did a bit when we put them on
in the show, and I was just talking for twenty
minutes sitting. I couldn't breathe for these cats to be
running around here with these siety matters and ain't a
dome and he had his above his nose, and ever
he and George Pickers lead them jokes alone. Man, right, hey, right, man,
You ain't supposed to run them sighty mats like that.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You can't breathe when when you go back to perspective
a little bit, we gotta take a quick break. But
is it one of those things as a non player,
it's like the like the universe as we know it
is infinite, Right, it doesn't. But your brain can't comprehend
that what that is because we don't know what that is. Right,
(34:49):
is the perspective of a player on the field to
the person that watches on TV, like you have no clue,
Like you just can't comprehend what it is, the speed,
the impact, clue, you can't see over people.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
No clue, and then that is what that is What
bothers me When players get behind the mic and try
to because they've been there and try to forget all
of it, that bothers me because now you're letting your
emotions get involved instead of what you're seeing on that film,
because that's eighty percent of what we do is off
(35:22):
of that film. And then you get behind a mic
and forget.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
But even looking at the film films from up here,
right when you're dropped down here, is it hard sometimes
to decipher what you saw from up here when you're
down in it.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I level because I'm in a fight, right, especially like
guys like Nate. But that dude stand across from him,
three hundred plus pounds and he trying to reach I'm
trying to pancake you. I'm trying to run through.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
You, punching you, grabbing your arms, chopping your hands.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Sixty five place.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Brother, I'm gonna tell you something, yesterday was just what
I thought. You played three grant, You played a team
you should have been in the Raider. You come back
and you you you shut out Philadelphia, you straining yourself,
even the A plus prayers straining himself. Now you come
(36:14):
back and you beat the KC team.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But those turnovers we had and against those teams that
we cover recovered. Remember those phones, you didn't get them yesterday.
So now all what was bouncing in your way is
not bouncing in your way. So that is where the
better teams can can can can be successful.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
We're just a good team and we're great.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
And also let me add this to the mix as well,
because I know people there was a thing that happened
back in training camp were coach shot and I had
an opportunity to sit and talk like men, and people
say I try to tell him how to be a man,
which is crazy. I never never did that. But one
of the comedians talked about remember when the Christler three
(37:04):
hundred came out and everybody said it looked like a
phantom until a phantom actually pulled up. Yes, like a
lot of times you want to talk about being physical
until physical really pulls up. Detroit's physical. They're physical, they're
brand of football, they're they're they're everything is physical. So
(37:26):
you think you physical. That's why I was trying to
tell people, please don't misconstrue a physical player for a
physical team. Shaman said. Williams is a physical player. The
Cowboys aren't a physical team. They're a physical team. Detroit's
a physical team. They punch you in the face over
and over and over and over again, and most of
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the times people's break because they aren't as physical or
willing to go the extra mount in physicality. That's the
difference when you want to tell me about we're going
to be physical. I know what physical looks like. There
are there are glaring examples across this league of what
a physical team looks like as a whole, you.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Know, to the point where they're too safety as have
been beat up all year. They'll go out and it
ain't no doubt in their mind that they coming back
in this game. It ain't no doubt, Bro Brown, that
man hurt, you know, Saint Brown. His knee was hurt, Bro,
(38:27):
But he did what was necessary to make ankle. He
did what was necessary to be on that field. Physical
ain't just the way you play, is the way you think.
It's the way you think.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
To a man.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
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Speaker 4 (41:01):
Welcome back to Hanging with the Boys. The final secree
brought to you by seven to eleven twenty four to
seven open, which is what Ceedee Lamb was until he
got knocked out, got taken out of the game. Didn't
look good. Just the replay didn't look as bad as
I think what.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
It was looked like.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
He landed on his shoulder but wound up leaving the
game with a concussion.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, because you're sitting at home on the couch right
looked and I wasn't down. I'm not necessarily you ain't.
I was right there. You ain't have your head go
from being tem feed in the air to snack it
down on a hard time.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
But it was open after that. Ryan Flornoy man all night.
He stepped out after that. And Jesse, you've got a
you've got a unique perspective. Well maybe not unique, but
you have a you know, you are the voice of reason,
you are the reality check of the show. You have
a you have a point of view that a lot
(41:54):
of fans may not agree with. On George Pickens, a
lot of people are going after pickings after this.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Game, right y'all. I'm sorry people for that.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
You have a you have a I like your perspective
on this, so share what you shared with us.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
So you know of course, the topic of discussion today
is George Pickens and his effort and his abilities and
all that kind of stuff, and how you know that's
you know, unacceptable. Stop. I know Nate tells me, let
y'all fan, How y'all want a fan?
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Stop?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Because guess what, this is what he's been doing. This
is who George Pickens is. This is the George Pickens experience.
You take the good with the bad, because everything you
saw last night he's been doing.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
The only difference is just worked out for you.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Just worked out for you. The ball bounced his way.
He's been he he doesn't run Chris routes. He has
a little bit of lase flair to his route running.
He you know, sometimes you know people say, what the effort?
That's Go back and I watch film every single week,
even when I don't want to excuse me. So I'm
telling you go back and watch it. I can show
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you fifty plays where he did exactly what he's always done.
It just didn't work out the last night. So if
you want to now banish him to Jupiter fan, how
you want a fan? But guess what, that's who he is.
That's who he's always been that's who he's going to be.
(43:26):
You've accepted that. Shaddy has told you, guys, we accept
George for George who George is. He gonna be a
little late. He might crash out, He might not give
you great effort on this play. He might run a
little bit of lastic Day's carte on not play. But
then again, he might take a slant to the house.
This is what you ask for. This is the George
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Pickens that has been here all year long, all year.
There's no difference in him out. People are gonna say, oh,
should you pay him much? Should you not pay him?
You paying much? You're not paying I tell you one thing.
You cannot pay him and let him go somewhere else,
and your Super Bowl chances just got a lot less
likely to happen. Or you can keep him because when
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he good, he damn good. And last night, as they
should have when ceed Land went out with the concussion,
this is what good coordinators do. They said, hmm, there's
only one minutes out there, no problem, We're gonna take
the sure thing away. We're not gonna be naive and
(44:32):
stubborn and go, oh they only got one out there.
We're gonna just no, they said, hey, guys, we're gonna
double number three, and if number nineteen beats us, we
tip our cap to them and were going about our business.
But we like our chances with him trying to beat us.
What we won't let happen is the sure thing, go
out there and beat us. And they took him away.
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They took him out of the game. And while Ryan
Flinoy had some really good plays his second hundred yard
he stepped up in the matter that he needed the most.
It wasn't enough. This wasn't enough, and that's the game.
That's how it happened. But what you saw last night
was very, very similar to what you've seen what I've
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seen over the last eleven weeks. It just worked out
in his favor those other times. So that all of
you that want to kick him to the curb, fine fan,
how you want a fan, You'll be an idiot, You'll
be dumb because your football team is not better without him.
I'm not saying that CD can't shelter the low CD
went seventeen hundred yards with a bunch of babies. On
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the other side, CD will be okay, he will be
just fine solo. But if you want to be real
about two Bowl contention. Not this year because it's pretty
much over this year, but next year. Yeah, you want
the George Picking experience and you had to deal with
the ups and downs of it. That's just the business.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Bro and Ny. You think they need each other, right.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh yeah I do. I do because I'm not a
stats guy. I'm a team guy and I'm a win guy.
That's why offensive line has to get one hundred percent better.
If we want to see the Piggings experience, the CD
LAMB highlights. We want to see Dak be at his best.
Our offensive line better do it quickly, quickly, get better.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
All right, fellas great stuff. I won't rub it in
anybody's face, but I was the only person that picked
the lines you did. I don't want to jink jink
some and it didn't work out yourself on the back.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
This is no.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Pat stuff on the back. Eat another, Eat another nugget.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah. The only way, the only way now is you
have to have you have to have Philadelphia completely collapsed
and you gotta win out and you have to win
out in Philadelphia. Right now, Philadelphia has the Chargers On
Monday Night, they have the chargers, the bills, the bills,
and then twice, and you need them to lose three
of those four of those four or five and whatever.
You went out and you have to win out.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
They saying there's a chance slight.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Ain't I don't right?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
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Nate can stop ordering plane wings.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
That really bothered me.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
I never stopped, not while we eat on the air.
I can't do it. It's too messy.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
My playing wings are better than your chicken nuggets.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Hey, let me wing how I want to wing. Jesse,
great stuff, Nate, great stuff.
Speaker 8 (47:48):
Kurt.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
We will see you on Monday.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Chris boy watching Rodge. I didn't get no sauce on
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Speaker 4 (47:56):
Rogs Jesse, Chris, thanks for keep us on the air. Josh,
you were nowhere to be seen today, but thanks for
whatever it is you do.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
We will be.
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He stole Kurt's Louisiana rub. He normally gets plain wings
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in about three minutes.
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So what you go over there with your gurly wings?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I got wings, that's funny. I got lemon pepper. I
got the Cowboy flavor, which is half hot half lemon pepper. No,
these are just hot. And then mango habit arrow and
then a big old boat of fries with a fork,
with a fork because I can't I'm from Louisiana. I
can't eat clean, especially when chicken is on a bone.
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If I tried to eat this on this show, I
would have sauce on the wall, on the microphone, probably
on you or on my face. It just wouldn't be nice.
So it's just easier. And then I eat it with
a fork and Jesse's giving me grief. It's fine. I
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won't tell you what he actually said. Off the air.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We'll definitely get in trouble for that.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That might be Yeah, that might actually take us off
the air.
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I will definitely take us off the air.
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So I hope you guys are ready to talk today
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Speaker 5 (02:44):
We'll let we'll let let.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Me get a quick shot. Let me give a shot out.
Can you do one thing for me real quick?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Sure? Can you move the mic that's in Shannon's shot,
because I want to see all the Shannon. It's it's
Kurt's my a cur that's go the other way either way.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
He got the other way right there.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
That's it I've never heard, and I want to see
all of him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's all of me, all of you. I do. I
give a shout out. Do not know his name, but
shout out to the dude who saw me in Walmart.
And he was about two or three holes over and
this is what I respect like, this is a good,
respectable thing. He got my attention and he kind of
just mouthed to me across the aisles, I have you
(03:27):
with the boys, and I'm like, yeah, so I don't
know your name, you know who you are. You saw me,
he said, you know, he watches the show, So I
appreciate your brother. The guy that I saw Walmart that
gave me a shout out, didn't make a scene. Didn't.
He got his stuff. I got my stuff, and he said,
hanging with the boys. So I get it, Nate, when
you're out and about and they go hang out with
the boys.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I was like, so, what Jesse's really saying. It's like
that that commercial where somebody says something and then they
tell you what they're saying. Jesse's saying, thanks for acknowledging
and appreciating the show, but were also leaving me alone
and not coming up and talking to me.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
No, no, don't don't do that. God no, because if
he would have came up and talked to me, I
would have I would have showed him love. But I
appreciate that like he acknowledged it. We made our contact.
He gave me a shout out and gave him a
shout out, and I wanted to make sure that I said,
I see your brother, and I appreciate because you never know.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
It's when you see people in public and they appreciate
the show or shows in in y'all's case, y'all are
on multiple shows. You never know what you're gonna get.
I would say eighty percent of the time, it's just oh,
it's a.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Vibe kill I almost forgot I shout out to by
the way, what you got?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
What you got?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I saw it g in Jersey yesterday. WHOA took a
picture with him?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
He was in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He was in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
What U g shout out buddy, Oh, Jesse got a bag?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I got gifts, so shut out. So remember remember last
week where my boyfriend, Yeah, there you go. Remember yeah,
last week we only had we only sent one. Yeah,
he said, I gotta do better. I gotta do better.
So he got one for everybody.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Look at that, everybody, you get one?
Speaker 5 (05:04):
What you get one?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
You get one?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Everybody that made you get one? Boom?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Okay cuts your cuts by Jones, Oh in easy. Look
of that.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Thank you a little bit too.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
They're wow, it's come with a tie.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Not no ties. No, Kirk got one. But he also
because he loves he loves the cowboy legends, and so
he even went a little bit further a little got
a little something for Nate.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
What he got he did a little.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Sixty one man. That's sweat.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
That's sweet. That man right there, Man, give me that bag,
Give me that bag. I don't want to beat it up.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
He forget about your boy j Holly though, look at
that about you yes, man about your boy Jo got
right there.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So my boy Fred Man cuts by Jones. Man, he
gave us a Christmas gift. Uh, Chris, you already got one.
You got the you got the you got the original,
you got the original, So you got the original one. Kurt,
you'll get your when you come back. But Fred, we
appreciate you brother so much Man for the Christmas gifts.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I'm so glad you sent that. That's great in my office.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, absolutely put up on my office today.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
That's a lot of man hours he spent.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Man, he's so talented.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So y'all looking to do some Christmas gifts and you
want stuff like that, go see my boy.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Cuts working at zon z on the social media.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah. I think if you just go into like Instagram
and do cut by Jones or Twitter cut by jones.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Z Man, that is awesome, good dope right here. That
all right? Well we got to talk about.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
It about what the game last night?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Oh okay, the Man starvery game turn next time we
could talk about that, but I mean we only have
it is Friday. It's weird we actually have a show
on Friday after a game. It's typically, well, I guess
we do unless it's Thanksgiving, so we'll just dedicate one
day to it even though we don't. You know, to me,
it came down to three things on both sides, special
(07:18):
team three. Well more than that, but I think three
things really summed it up. Special teams, pressure on both sides.
And there was one more thing that I forgot. Turnovers,
lack of creation, uh and turning the ball over bad
giving up bad field position on special teams JET three.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That's just I was just recappitable telling you about each one,
and then lack of pressure and then the offensive line
just they just couldn't hold those guys back.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Man.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
And what's the deal is is its Cavante got like
me is he got short arms and that's causing something
to with the with the fair That's what three this year.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Three in the last three or four weeks.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Who in the last two weeks, they haven't made that
call in like two thousand days. I know, think Bobby
Belt put out there, it's like been like two thousand days.
It's the last fair catch. Illegal fair catch places like
two thousand days or something like that.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
In the league. Gets the Cowboys in the league.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
What it's been that long and he's gotten two in
the last two weeks.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
What is I don't do you know what's going on,
mister Special Teams Guru? Is that is he so freaking out?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I don't. I don't know. Here's what I don't like, though,
Here's what I don't like. I think Cavante has lost
the teeth and the thing, the hunger for the thing
that got him in this league. I think that once
(08:51):
he got paid and now he's kind of got a
more prominent role as a receiver, especially aren't important to him.
He's more and so he has he has the relax
and his mentals and his focus because remember teams were
used to be afraid of kick to him. He used
to flip the field. And now he's been a non
factor and you've you're causing more harm than you are good.
(09:16):
We saw Detroit last night. They had the white Devin
Hester back there. Every time he touched the ball on
the kickoff he was getting it back to the plus
out of the field for the Detroit Lions, so they
can short field those those hitting yards that we used
to get. We're not getting it with Kamante anymore. And
it just feels like he's like, I don't know if
he's saving energy just for offense or he's trying to
conserve himself to be more offensive minded. But oh, this
(09:39):
is what this is what got you to this league.
This will probably will keep you in this league. Like
that needs to be a main focus of yours because
you were really, really good at it when you were hungry.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It just feels like that's getting you to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Like I think, like, I don't know, man, and I
know that we sometimes and Jerry when he decides he
wants to bring it up when get paid and they
start to decline a little bit. You might have talked
about Cavante be coming in that conversation of guys who
gotten paid and all of a sudden, the thing they
got paid for they ain't really good at.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
No more.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Nate, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I just since you want to forget the game all
of what you guys have said, and I'll go back
to what I said in training camp. This team is
still what I think it is. It's a team that's
trying to find its way. It's a team that's made
a few acquisitions, won some tight games, but once again
(10:36):
and I've been more specific in what I'm saying is
the matchup for me yesterday was how would you stop
your mere Gibbs?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
And we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We don't have no linebackers that can covering, no safeties
that can covering. So now we're trying to put corners
out there. But you forgot when you put the corners
out there. Oh, we got James and Williams and we
got Alma Saint Brown. Is I'm pronouncing that right? I'm
and Raw a'man ra st Brown, which, by.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The way, fake last name, fake last name. Did you
guys know that? No, fake last name? What do you
mean his last name is brown?
Speaker 8 (11:18):
What?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
His dad added the saint to it because he thought
it would look good on the jersey when he made
it to the NFL from birth from birth, fake name.
But he saw it, but he saw the vision vision.
His dad said, that's why God's name like Aemius, his
brother name Academius Aquanemius, and he has another brother like
like o Cyrus, and then this a'man Rath. Their last
(11:41):
name is brown. He added the saint brown because his vision,
like LeVar Ball, was like, my boys is gonna make
it to the NFL, and it's gonna look good when
it sees Saint Brown on the back of the Jersey. Wow.
Fake name.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh that's the only kind of information you can get
on this show.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Fake name. The whole time you're think of this, I
was like, wait, second, I was just sitting there from
as he friend is he. I was like, now he
does have a white mama. But I was like, what
black dudes you know named Saint Brown. I don't know,
no black dudes named Saint Brown. Looked it up whole time,
Dad made it up.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Wow, great storage yet, But the thing.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That was Brown back in Jersey, Yeah, out.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of the Saint.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The thing that was amazing is when you trying to
put a corner on one of your better covered safeties
out there on Jamire Gibbs. Now you got two guys,
fake name or not. They once they saw who were
who was going to be in the passing situation groups,
(12:47):
the dying the nickel, they just started running rub routes,
switch routes and putting uh.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Markey's uh Wilson they put.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Him in back.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That's that's coaching them, my brother. But so that's also
a lack of your player's skill set too. And they
saw that and they took advantage of that. And on
top of that, right there, I can solve all the
problems simply by saying, Hey, when you're on the kickoff team,
it's called stay in your lanes and disengage your blocks
(13:24):
in your lanes.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Don't jump around them. Run through them. What happened to
your heart? Run through them? Hey, look at.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Here, fellas solving that Jamiir Gibbs problem.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Nah, j.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, it's not gonna be solved. You don't have the
linebackers are the safeties to deal with that. When you
see him shaking cornerbacks out there in the open field, you.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Can't deal that. That was my pregame as long.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
As they got Jamier Gibbs and then they concentrated on
not letting him run. And then you got Montgomery just
gas you. So this you faced a team that was
from top to bottom, from your coaching staff to your players,
outplayed you yesterday.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
This was bound to happen.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Jesse, heavy hand raise. Yeah, always paying the camera.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Point every single week. Don't waste your time looking around
for other shows. Don't do it.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Don't do it. Because Shannon is getting ready to read
you something off his stats that you heard here last week.
That's right about what was going to be the key
factor that the Cowboys had to watch out for Shannon.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Shannon read that the running backs as a group sixty
five yards or more receiving, the Cowboys would lose.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
One running back.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Had that one running back had seventy seven, you held
him to forty three rushing.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yes, And if you remember that statement started with Jamier
Gibbs having fifty yards or more receivers and I said
we'll add Montgomery into that mix and bumping up to
seventy five. Sixty five sixty five excuse me, Yeah, the
first those were.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And those were basically just long handoffs.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Well, here's the thing, and this is this is when
when Nate comes in here and he tells you, for
the last seven years, equal to or better talent. Yes,
right now, how do you create the matchups? And when
you start talking about the teams that have been superior
(15:38):
in this league over the last couple of years, it's
they dictated to the Cowboys. I'm going to get Jamiir
Gibbs in the space that I want them, and I
know that it is it today is a is a
perfect day for everyone to go see Matt Eberflus, get
him the hell out of here, get him the hell
(15:58):
out of there, and listen, I'm I'm not gonna fight y'all.
Y'all can have that opinion. Nate tells me to tell
y'all to make sure that I might saying, Jesse, let
them fan how they want a fan. I'm gonna let
your fan how you want a fan. But the problem
is y'all, saying Jesse, even if we seed the blitz bore, blitchbore,
blitz bore and blitch bolt, and then do what and
then do what when one on one, Now you got
(16:20):
Jamir Gibbs out in space because you then blitch guys,
and the people in the booth for the Detroit Lions say, well,
we have an advantage. And now you say, press man
across the board, Okay, cool, you don't you don't have
to shut down Pressman corners. So what happens now when
I'm Rob breaks one and Garrett Goff gets it to
him to the house, you did not have an answer
(16:40):
for Jamir Gibbs. They knew it, and they exposed it.
They said, okay, cool, they got a.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Good front four.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No problem. All we gonna do now is instead of
handing it off the ball to run inside zone, We're
gonna dump it off to them on the outside zone
and let him do it. They ran screens. They just
basically ran screens. Got you don't want to deal with
Jamir Gibbs in space. He is one of the premier
backs in the National Football League. And that's the part
where coaching matters. In conjunction with the Jimmies and Joe's.
(17:08):
You don't have the guys, and we can continue to
blame Matt ever Flus, I'm cool fan. How you want
a fan. There's nothing he can do. There's nothing he
could have done, because no matter whether you put Overshown,
no matter you put Kenneth from Oklahoma, no matter if
you put Logan Wilson, no who else out there lea foul,
(17:32):
they cannot guard Jamiir Gibbs one on one in space.
Detroit knew it, and they said, instead of running him,
we're gonna just throw it to him. And he had,
he had, he had, he had total he had over
one hundred yards of scrimmage yards, but he had seventy
seven seventy seven yards in the passing game. And three touchdowns.
That was the difference maker. That was a difference maker.
(17:53):
You had no answer for that too. The thing that
showed up that has been plaguing this Cowboys for football
team for a decade, for a decade. This is an
undisciplined football team. It has been that way for a decade.
Go turn on the film.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
When you say discipline, explain what you mean by it.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The penalties, assignment, alignment, tackling that ain't got nothing to
do with ability. That ain't got nothing to do with ability,
Stay on sides, don't grab, don't create, don't create penalties,
don't do stupid stuff to back your team up on
special teams. All these things are preventable. But yet still
the Cowboys as they are. They lead the league of
(18:40):
penalties this year, they're number one in penalties. I think
that's all a stat Last night. They had over a
thousand yards of penalties in this season. Like it's it's
it has crushed them. And when you're playing the high,
high quality opponents that can match you athlete for athlete,
(19:04):
and then their coaching is superior, the place, the turnovers
and the discipline, those are those small little factors that
come into play and you know, I know that we'll
get into it at some point in time to day.
We want to talk about the whole George Pickens thing,
and we can talk about that after the break. But
this team's an undisciplined football team. They've been that way
(19:26):
for a long time.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think what you saw last night is what you
what you both have always said, equaler greater talent. You
have to play your best game, no mental mistakes, no turnovers,
and you saw what happens. You can't you can't close
that gap whenever you have a sloppy.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And I'll give it, give you even more of a
chess match game right where some of you will say, well,
shot he was conservative. He should have went forward right
before the half. He was trying to play the middle
later right, you're down eleven, kick a field goal, get
the ball back at the half. I'm not mad at it, right,
So I wasn't mad at it either, But the chess
matching all that was right. What happened was Shoty what
(20:04):
he immediately put his field goal team on the field
to kick a field goal. You know Dan Campbell did.
He called the time out. It's not the clock, so
you can go for a field go great, that means
I'll get more time. What shot he should have done
was march his team back out there, act like he
was going to go and either make either run some
more clock as much as he can, or make them
(20:25):
force themselves to call time out earlier or later in
the play clock. But that's the chess match. Those are
the little things that and I think Shoty has learning
doing that. Dan Campbell has a couple of years on
him as a head coach, so he's he's he's battle
tested a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Learning those little trick those little tricks in the trade,
those little tricks.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
In the trade.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Fire in the fire, right, Yeah, that's what field not
not when you sit up there with the fellas and
everybody came and cool, Oh I do this If he
do that in the fire.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know what I'm gonna ask y'all a question about
being in the fire and being in the living room.
What the how I was thinking about that last night.
I'll get to the question when we come back. All right,
that's a tease. Yeah, go and eat you girly snop,
be right back.
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Speaker 5 (24:26):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
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Get some chicken, Okay, mister Jesse, get you okay. By
the way, Jesse. Jesse sent us a video about three
days ago and he went incognito mode with his uh
with his cell phone and all you see is his feet.
In the beginning of the video, and then he walks
in and he's kind of holding his you can tell
he's holding his camera in his hand. And and your
(25:18):
friend over wingstop that you always go to pops out
of the kids.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
He goes, hey, mister Jesse, right back to it. Yeah,
I told you I don't make this stuff up. I
told you when I go in there, this young lady
won't call me. She called me mister Jesse. I'd be like, oh,
he's lying one and that s enough. She popped that
from the back. Hey, mister Jesse. I'm like, you're all right.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
She was like yeah, I said, okay, that's so great.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Phil.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I had registers like what's your name? Sara him miss
Jesse put your order in his mister Jesse.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
On that he does it. She does like, well, she
takes my order like they have a screen in there now,
so you know where your order is a kind of
in the in the queue, which was.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Smart, by the way, because you go in there and
it be chaos, and you like, how much longer, how much.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's up there? She always puts in there, mister Jesse.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Mister Jesse, no, she knows, she knows how to spell it.
That's talent.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I had to correct that time too, but she got it.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I had a thought last night during the game. Doesn't
happen very often, but as as Schottenheimer, toward the end
of the game was debating on whether to take the
time out for the ten second runoff and all that,
and that's where you know, that's where coaching, you know,
really matters is in moments like that. And I know, Chris,
you know from being on the field, just the perspective
(26:32):
of being on the sideline of a football game is
one hundred and eighty degrees different than what it is
on TV. You don't have the help of the lower thirds.
You don't you have to locate the you know, the clocks,
and you have to know exactly what's going on and
nobody's you don't have announcers telling you what's going on
and spotters circling things. It's you're in the moment, you're
(26:53):
making decisions. You're the head coach. How big of a
difference as players like being on the field and just
the active of being inches away from the guy that's
covering you and not you know, it's one thing to
watch it on TV from the cameras up in the
in the Grand stands, how big of a difference is
that one is players? And then how much pressure and
(27:16):
pressure cooker does that put a coaching staff in as
it's going in the heat of the fire, like you
said in the moment, like just tell people how big
of a difference that is when you're on that field
as to watching a game.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
To to go from practicing at havelf speed or less.
And I'm talking about playing against a great player, a
player of equal ability. You got to know the play
from an offensive standpoint. You got to know the.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Variables off of that play.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
If this got line up inside, if this got line
up outside, if it's a linebacker over you, you got
to know that.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Now you got to know how good.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
This player is and what this player can do to
you in this situation. You got to be calculating all
of that as you walking up to the line, as
you as the quarterback barking out signals and there whether
they're like the coach at Philadelphia, he good at moving.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
His players late. So make make you know.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Some guys like to fake in and out, but this
coach at Philadelphia, he good at moving This defensive player
is late, are sending And I'm talking about offensive defensive
line play, directional movement to strength of strength or either
the strength side or either the weak side. So all
of those things got to be calculated and estimated, and
(28:44):
maybe about how many seconds just.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You get You get thirty five forty seconds.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, But what I'm saying, once you hit that offensive
line and once started.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Lining up, you got about five or six seconds, yeah,
to try to compute it.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So when Dak's walking up and he's he's walking to
the line, he sees the defense and he's he's Okay,
I'm gonna move into this and we'll do this. And
then he also walking through scenarios like, Okay, if this
linebacker drops back into coverage, that's gonna get me an
opportunity to run.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
If he's got to be anticipating a lot quicker than that, right,
he gotta be anticipating a lot, But he thinking.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Things like that, if this happens, this is what I'm doing,
and this But this.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is where this is where the film study comes into
play for guys like that, because you come to the
line and already, Okay, I get into the huddle, I
know it's third and four. Well, all week long, I
went through my third down package. There's a coach that
every meeting every day right Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, every
(29:41):
coach that is assigned to a day, and today is
when we do install excuse me, hey, first down, all
the cutups of what this team does primarily on first down.
Next day, another coach might have, Hey, this second down
stuff they like to do on second downs. Then the
(30:02):
coach do a third down day third, medium, third and short,
third and long. Hey here somebody that does what they're
do in the red zone. So now I taken all
this information throughout the week, through my film study, through
my practice, and now it's it's it's ingrained in me.
So now when I get to the field, plays over,
(30:23):
what's it down in distance? I'm now because once the
play is over, I'm recalibrating and recalculating the next play. Okay,
third and two? Now what are they running in third
and two?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
They like to run cover four right here, or cover
two or this is where they like to he guys
up at.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
And you're doing all that while you're walking.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm walking to the huddle as the coach is talking
into my ear for a quarterback, right all right, dak
here we go man, third and two, here we go,
you know, watch out, and the coach by saying, hey,
watch out right here, man, I like to bring that
cat corner, or like to bring off the BLI off
the slot. Oh hey, they like to do this. All right,
here's the play and most of the time, now you're
getting two plays. That's why when you hear god go
kill kill kill, kill kill, or like he's tapping his
(31:01):
helmet and everybody, he's changing the play. So I get
two calls in. Now I gotta calculate all that, get
the play call, make sure I got the right personnel,
and then bark it out to the guys. While as
a receiver, as I'm coming back to the huddle, I'm
also calculating down in distance. All right, what did coach
say throughout the week for my film study and my
(31:21):
practice to my meetings. All right, we're probably gonna get
covered too.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
And remembering the play and remember the snap.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
This is me walking back to the huddle. Then I
get to the huddle, and then now he barks out
this long play. They got two plays in it pass
play to run run, the pass pass the pass run
to run. We break the huddle. Now I gotta remember
everything that he said, everything that my coaching taught me
throughout the week, and now I have to have a
(31:48):
I'm leaving the huddle with a kind of of an
educated guest. Well, here's the plays that they usually run,
or the formation that they usually run defensively wise, and
then I line up and now I'm checking out the
safe also while having to remember what the snack count was?
Did he kill the play? What was the play again?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
What is my route?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Am I on the line? Reft of my good?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So all this stuff is happening, and it's happening lightning quick. Oh,
by the way, I'm on the road. So eighty thousand
people are scrimming at the top of their lungs, so
I can't even hear myself think. And then he's going
white eighty You're like.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Oh, oh, and as offensive and that's offensive line. On
a smaller scale, I'm going through that same thing. And
the worst thing you want to be is going down
on a game winning drive.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
And you locked into this play because you know it's
gonna work, because.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Everything is lined up for you personally, and that man
say kill kill. Oh, you gotta recalibrate, and you gotta
recalibrate everything real quick like that.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
And there was a portion of the game last night
where they tried the Cowboys offensively, tried to change the
tempo kind of more hurry up. Yeah, And a lot
of times you go, all right, cool, we get defense,
can't sell out. We got them on their heels. But
guess what, no offens. Fat boy's up front tired too.
You saw Nate Thomas, he was out there, a guy
who's not used to playing all those snaps. Remember he's
(33:12):
not conditioned because he's not playing every week. You know
what I'm saying for he goes three four, five weeks,
he don't see a rep in the game. He might
get field gold, right, but other than that, he ain't
seeing a rep to now inserting him into the mix,
and they just spec the temple up. When a big
line is standing straight up and them hands on his hips,
he's searching for the air. He's just searching for any
(33:35):
bit of air now. And I want to say with
Jimmy Johnson who said fatigue makes cows of it all,
Vince Lombard, excuse me, Yeah, fatigua make cows of us all.
So when you tired, you don't even think right, you
don't even think right. And I want to say this too.
This is a completely sidebar all you catt that's wear
(33:55):
these seisty masses, sisy masks because Jamison Williams had it
all last night. Y'all are cycles. I'm telling you. I
did a bit last week.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Striction you breathing.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Boy, I did a bit when we put them on
in the show, and I was just talking for twenty
minutes sitting. I couldn't breathe for these cats to be
running around here with these siety matters and ain't a
dome and he had his above his nose, and ever
he and George Pickers lead them jokes alone. Man, right, hey, right, man,
You ain't supposed to run them sighty mats like that.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
You can't breathe when when you go back to perspective
a little bit, we gotta take a quick break. But
is it one of those things as a non player,
it's like the like the universe as we know it
is infinite, Right, it doesn't. But your brain can't comprehend
that what that is because we don't know what that is. Right,
(34:49):
is the perspective of a player on the field to
the person that watches on TV, like you have no clue,
Like you just can't comprehend what it is, the speed,
the impact, clue, you can't see over people.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
No clue, and then that is what that is What
bothers me When players get behind the mic and try
to because they've been there and try to forget all
of it, that bothers me because now you're letting your
emotions get involved instead of what you're seeing on that film,
because that's eighty percent of what we do is off
(35:22):
of that film. And then you get behind a mic
and forget.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
But even looking at the film films from up here,
right when you're dropped down here, is it hard sometimes
to decipher what you saw from up here when you're
down in it.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I level because I'm in a fight, right, especially like
guys like Nate. But that dude stand across from him,
three hundred plus pounds and he trying to reach I'm
trying to pancake you. I'm trying to run through.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
You, punching you, grabbing your arms, chopping your hands.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Sixty five place.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Brother, I'm gonna tell you something, yesterday was just what
I thought. You played three grant, You played a team
you should have been in the Raider. You come back
and you you you shut out Philadelphia, you straining yourself,
even the A plus prayers straining himself. Now you come
(36:14):
back and you beat the KC team.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But those turnovers we had and against those teams that
we cover recovered. Remember those phones, you didn't get them yesterday.
So now all what was bouncing in your way is
not bouncing in your way. So that is where the
better teams can can can can be successful.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
We're just a good team and we're great.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
And also let me add this to the mix as well,
because I know people there was a thing that happened
back in training camp were coach shot and I had
an opportunity to sit and talk like men, and people
say I try to tell him how to be a man,
which is crazy. I never never did that. But one
of the comedians talked about remember when the Christler three
(37:04):
hundred came out and everybody said it looked like a
phantom until a phantom actually pulled up. Yes, like a
lot of times you want to talk about being physical
until physical really pulls up. Detroit's physical. They're physical, they're
brand of football, they're they're they're everything is physical. So
(37:26):
you think you physical. That's why I was trying to
tell people, please don't misconstrue a physical player for a
physical team. Shaman said. Williams is a physical player. The
Cowboys aren't a physical team. They're a physical team. Detroit's
a physical team. They punch you in the face over
and over and over and over again, and most of
(37:48):
the times people's break because they aren't as physical or
willing to go the extra mount in physicality. That's the
difference when you want to tell me about we're going
to be physical. I know what physical looks like. There
are there are glaring examples across this league of what
a physical team looks like as a whole, you.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Know, to the point where they're too safety as have
been beat up all year. They'll go out and it
ain't no doubt in their mind that they coming back
in this game. It ain't no doubt, Bro Brown, that
man hurt, you know, Saint Brown. His knee was hurt, Bro,
(38:27):
But he did what was necessary to make ankle. He
did what was necessary to be on that field. Physical
ain't just the way you play, is the way you think.
It's the way you think.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
To a man.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
All right, let's take our last break. When we come back,
we'll finish up on hanging with the boys.
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Speaker 4 (41:01):
Welcome back to Hanging with the Boys. The final secree
brought to you by seven to eleven twenty four to
seven open, which is what Ceedee Lamb was until he
got knocked out, got taken out of the game. Didn't
look good. Just the replay didn't look as bad as
I think what.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
It was looked like.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
He landed on his shoulder but wound up leaving the
game with a concussion.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, because you're sitting at home on the couch right
looked and I wasn't down. I'm not necessarily you ain't.
I was right there. You ain't have your head go
from being tem feed in the air to snack it
down on a hard time.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
But it was open after that. Ryan Flornoy man all night.
He stepped out after that. And Jesse, you've got a
you've got a unique perspective. Well maybe not unique, but
you have a you know, you are the voice of reason,
you are the reality check of the show. You have
a you have a point of view that a lot
(41:54):
of fans may not agree with. On George Pickens, a
lot of people are going after pickings after this.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Game, right y'all. I'm sorry people for that.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
You have a you have a I like your perspective
on this, so share what you shared with us.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
So you know of course, the topic of discussion today
is George Pickens and his effort and his abilities and
all that kind of stuff, and how you know that's
you know, unacceptable. Stop. I know Nate tells me, let
y'all fan, How y'all want a fan?
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Stop?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Because guess what, this is what he's been doing. This
is who George Pickens is. This is the George Pickens experience.
You take the good with the bad, because everything you
saw last night he's been doing.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
The only difference is just worked out for you.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Just worked out for you. The ball bounced his way.
He's been he he doesn't run Chris routes. He has
a little bit of lase flair to his route running.
He you know, sometimes you know people say, what the effort?
That's Go back and I watch film every single week,
even when I don't want to excuse me. So I'm
telling you go back and watch it. I can show
(43:03):
you fifty plays where he did exactly what he's always done.
It just didn't work out the last night. So if
you want to now banish him to Jupiter fan, how
you want a fan? But guess what, that's who he is.
That's who he's always been that's who he's going to be.
(43:26):
You've accepted that. Shaddy has told you, guys, we accept
George for George who George is. He gonna be a
little late. He might crash out, He might not give
you great effort on this play. He might run a
little bit of lastic Day's carte on not play. But
then again, he might take a slant to the house.
This is what you ask for. This is the George
(43:48):
Pickens that has been here all year long, all year.
There's no difference in him out. People are gonna say, oh,
should you pay him much? Should you not pay him?
You paying much? You're not paying I tell you one thing.
You cannot pay him and let him go somewhere else,
and your Super Bowl chances just got a lot less
likely to happen. Or you can keep him because when
(44:09):
he good, he damn good. And last night, as they
should have when ceed Land went out with the concussion,
this is what good coordinators do. They said, hmm, there's
only one minutes out there, no problem, We're gonna take
the sure thing away. We're not gonna be naive and
(44:32):
stubborn and go, oh they only got one out there.
We're gonna just no, they said, hey, guys, we're gonna
double number three, and if number nineteen beats us, we
tip our cap to them and were going about our business.
But we like our chances with him trying to beat us.
What we won't let happen is the sure thing, go
out there and beat us. And they took him away.
(44:54):
They took him out of the game. And while Ryan
Flinoy had some really good plays his second hundred yard
he stepped up in the matter that he needed the most.
It wasn't enough. This wasn't enough, and that's the game.
That's how it happened. But what you saw last night
was very, very similar to what you've seen what I've
(45:15):
seen over the last eleven weeks. It just worked out
in his favor those other times. So that all of
you that want to kick him to the curb, fine fan,
how you want a fan, You'll be an idiot, You'll
be dumb because your football team is not better without him.
I'm not saying that CD can't shelter the low CD
went seventeen hundred yards with a bunch of babies. On
(45:37):
the other side, CD will be okay, he will be
just fine solo. But if you want to be real
about two Bowl contention. Not this year because it's pretty
much over this year, but next year. Yeah, you want
the George Picking experience and you had to deal with
the ups and downs of it. That's just the business.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Bro and Ny. You think they need each other, right.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Oh yeah I do. I do because I'm not a
stats guy. I'm a team guy and I'm a win guy.
That's why offensive line has to get one hundred percent better.
If we want to see the Piggings experience, the CD
LAMB highlights. We want to see Dak be at his best.
Our offensive line better do it quickly, quickly, get better.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
All right, fellas great stuff. I won't rub it in
anybody's face, but I was the only person that picked
the lines you did. I don't want to jink jink
some and it didn't work out yourself on the back.
Speaker 5 (46:33):
This is no.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
Pat stuff on the back. Eat another, Eat another nugget.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah. The only way, the only way now is you
have to have you have to have Philadelphia completely collapsed
and you gotta win out and you have to win
out in Philadelphia. Right now, Philadelphia has the Chargers On
Monday Night, they have the chargers, the bills, the bills,
and then twice, and you need them to lose three
of those four of those four or five and whatever.
You went out and you have to win out.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
They saying there's a chance slight.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Ain't I don't right?
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Good shout out to uh our guy cuts by Jones friends.
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the show. Wing Stop. Can't thank you guys enough for
keeping us full. Let we look forward to these days. Kurt,
thank you for sacrificing your wing drop for giv so
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Nate can stop ordering plane wings.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
That really bothered me.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
I never stopped, not while we eat on the air.
I can't do it. It's too messy.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
My playing wings are better than your chicken nuggets.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Hey, let me wing how I want to wing. Jesse,
great stuff, Nate, great stuff.
Speaker 8 (47:48):
Kurt.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
We will see you on Monday.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Chris boy watching Rodge. I didn't get no sauce on
my jersey, baby. I know you was hoping I no
sauce on my jersey.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Rogs Jesse, Chris, thanks for keep us on the air. Josh,
you were nowhere to be seen today, but thanks for
whatever it is you do.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
We will be.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
Back Monday, hanging with the boys we out.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
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