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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
This is Mick shot streaming.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Live on Dallas Cowboys dot com and the official Dallas
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and Mickey Spagnola.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
It is Washington Wednesday time.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Right on into the s w b C podcast studio.
I'm sure what he's doing over there, and welcome to

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this apparently is also this is also way software update Wednesday.
Every all my devices have software updates today. Everything's different
on my phone, on my I bed, in my truck.
Everything's different today.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Makes it better the software.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Once you figure out where everything is, move everything around.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Always wrong with the way we had it before.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Have a software, yeah you got You got plenty of
grandkids that can show you where all.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
They call it widgets. Now you can.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Can't hide any money there, boy, you got all the
stuff car up days.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
This can't hide money.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
That's the benefit of having kids and grand kids, right.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Even.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
At age four, the grandsons know how to fix that.
That's right because they spend so much time looking at
devices all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
So anyway, that's how electronic babysitter. Uh, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
I just hope they learn to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah they do, yeah, fortunately.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
To each other.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah that's true. Yeah, but that's another topic for a
different podcast.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Are you sure, come on, let's spend a half hour
talking about it. We are you talking about.

Speaker 8 (02:15):
Let's go off the rails like we always do. It's
a Wednesday. Nobody cares about what's going on outside or inside.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, like I said, it's a back to work Wednesday.
There will be.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Football players on a football field very shortly here at
the Starr and Frisco coach You'll be doing a press
conference during the course of minutes. During the course of
this show, we'll give you updates on what Brian Schottenheimer says.
It is Wednesday press conference.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
With his comprehensive injury update.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
There will be nothing comprehensive about It won't be until
later this afternoon when we get our first practice report
of the week, or we'll get some details on who's
not practicing, who's limited in practice. It's what's one of
the interesting things this week, of course, are the lead
wide receivers going to be playing on Sunday for both teams,

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Ceedee Lamb and Terry McLaurin, who's missed the last three
games for the Commanders.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Let's not forget Cavan Turpin, forget.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
You gotta have one. He's gonna have one. I love it. Hey,
I'm glad Turt made it.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
Man, I got Yea made it.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Also, it's also the guy that had a ninety nine
yard kickoff return.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
Against these guys. One of the most amazing I've ever
seen was that the spit that was yeah, the three
sixty and they fell for Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Actually they had two kickoff yeah right, who had the
other one? Uh one? Or as they say, yay.

Speaker 8 (03:50):
Yay, Okay, yay Thomas Okay yay. I don't know if
I take ya Yay's taken a bout the Mickey's woke.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Woke to. I woke up. That was good today.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah we got that, Okay, So without looking at the rundown,
I did look at it earlier on.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I appreciate that memory.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Well you started it, so you got also Mingo, by
the way, they could move him if they want.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
This is his last week, right, this is his third week.
I thought for Kim and Kayln Carson thought.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
This is they've already it's been for him.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I mean they got to make a decision right now.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Right, Yes, yes, that's what that's.

Speaker 7 (04:34):
What you know?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
This his well, this is important stuff, very important to
start Jonathan Mingo and Kayln Carson. You recall they started
their three week practice window three weeks ago, so now
a decision has to be made on putting them on
the active roster or not.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
And one of the reasons why they released Jalen.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Cropper, which that was news Yesterdaystar.

Speaker 9 (05:01):
Unless Jalen hmm, so they opened up a ross, he'll
be back, he'll be in fact, he's probably back already
right in.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Yeah, well they don't know if he cleared waivers. Yeah, well,
like what they're counting on you.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, I may be buying this this by myself. When
it comes down to other wide receivers coming back. CD
is the only guy that I'm thinking about right now,
and I'm just I've been weighed ever since what George
Pickens has been doing. I'm saying to myself, Oh my god,
can you believe what this is going to look like
when CD comes back? Because you found that connection between

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he and Dak and now I just feel like it's
just going to be greater that they are back now
I do believe that you are going to need that
fourth wide receiver. I'm calling the third wide receiver, I
tight end. But that fourth wide receiver has to etch
out his place. And whether it's Mingo, Floydoi, whoever it is, whoever,

(05:54):
whoever it is.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
He just purposely just a little.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
We're talking, we're talking about Mingo. I just wanted to make.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Sure let's just be and just to put the Mingo
and Carson in the proper perspective. I mean, this is
a decision that impacts the rest of the season. Yes,
for Mingo and Carson. Okay, they opened up their three
week window, and so they have three weeks to make
a decision on whether to put them on the active

(06:25):
roster now or they're loss for the rest of the
season and they're injured reserved for the rest of the season.
So that's the we're not talking about this week or
anything like that. We're talking about they're six games down,
they got eleven games to go, and they got to
make a decision on whether these two players are going
to be available for them for the rest of the season.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
And how many how many wide receivers can you carry
on the roster because if Mingo and Turpin get put on.
You've got one open spot, somebody's got to go. And
then on game day, how many are you going.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
To keep back to five? Six?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Uh, those are decisions that are going to have to
affect what they do.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Well, we know, we know one of those wide receivers
is going to be on special teams and that's Cavante Turpin.
So that's one slot that's taken. What about the other
two guys? Will they be on special teams as well?
And I believe Jalen Tober it's special teams guy. Also,
So Mingo is the is the guy that I'm saying,
you know, does he make any contributions on special teams
to get that big enough to.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
But they've found out that Flinoy can boom.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So I mean the key on Mingo is it was
just last week right where he didn't participate. Yes, yes,
he was making good progress, making good progress. And then
I think it was last Thursday he didn't participate. And
so the question on both those players, Carson and Mingo
is where are they in their rehab? And and again

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it's not about this week, it's about will you need
them four.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Weeks from now? Import six weeks from now or and
where they're where their injury rehab is it takes them,
and whether to shut them down for the entire season
or not.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
So the importance at that position, right, you got wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Because you've got moves you can make to clear a spot.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Kayln Carson if he's ready to go, and they think
of what I think they think of him? Is there
a room in the cornerback room for what do they
think of him? They like them, We liked them last year.
But yeah, and then he got hurt, remember yeah, uh
and then he lost his confidence he did. So is
Kayln Carson's Carson better than Stewart?

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Is he better than Bridges? Bridges?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
I mean there's there's moves they can make, and there
are guys that can that will you can wave and
then you can sign them to the practice squad, just
like in the Jalen Cropper there's a move at wide
receiver that he'll clear waivers and go to the practice squad.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Right, Well, I have decisions to make right.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Cornerback wise, When you talk about a guy losing his
confidence and you know, coming off of injury, I don't
know how much confidence you put in him as a
player at this at this point, I mean, he's coming
on to a defense that's already struggling in the in
the run game, in passing game, and so I think
Ready Steward has shown, you, you know, being that nickel
corner that he is obviously a really good tackler, a

(09:31):
guy in you know, short area. He can handle this,
He can handle himself. I guess the biggest reinforcement that
you need is for your two star cornerbacks to get healthier,
because they just haven't.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
They.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
I mean, something's going on, whether whether it's blend or dig,
something's going on with well, let's.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
Just a matter of just talking about up all the time,
you know, it's you know, I haven't had that type
of injury I've been I was blessed to not have
to deal with anything with my legs. So I don't
know what their mindset is when it comes to coming
back and being confident in that leg or that knee
or that ank or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Have you ever lost confidence in yourself?

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Though?

Speaker 8 (10:10):
No, because I was physically there, you know, but I
never there were times when you play hurt, but you know,
I had already established myself. So these guys are young.
When you start off young with injuries and now here
it is you're stepping up to this level.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
That's two things you gotta deal with.

Speaker 8 (10:27):
You gotta deal with yourself and your confidence, but also
you gotta deal with that guy on the other side
who ain't like what I was dealing with in college.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Yeah, so you.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Know the problem.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
The problem is to guys that are struggling in our
defensive backfield is that this week they have a challenge
in Deebo Samuels. People forget about this guy for some reason.
Deebo Samuels is a Washington commander, and he is a
guy that can also line up in the backfield and
also line up at the slot receiver. And oh, by
the way, they also have a tight end and Zach

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Ernst and we know how we feel about uh, you know,
our safety's man to man.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
On it and he could return kickoffs.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Just look at the problem.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
Things are getting looking up.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
I'm just I'm just I'm trying to just serve it.
Eyes coming to me, man.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
So you know, so when you're looking at the corners
at one point late in the game, they kind of
were doing what they wanted to do. But is it
the best thing. They moved Bland into the slot. You
got Digs outside and then they had Elam at the
other spot. So when you're thinking about who to who
to release, if Kaitlin Carson comes in, Carson's kind of

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an outside guy, So is he better than elm uh?
That's the If they want Bland to go in the
slot on the nickel, then who's the other outside?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
And that's a good question because I have this question
for you. As far as Kyer Elam is concerned. His
reps have been going down game by game, right, So
is that.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
I mean Diggs and were outside.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
Okay, but in a nickel situation you just said you
you bumpland down and then Elam comes on.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Could that be the space then for for Carson?

Speaker 6 (12:09):
Then that's where they would have to make that decision.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
What about Bridges and Bridges, Yeah, Bridges. Bridges was weighed
by the Chargers. He's already out there and the Cowboys
picked him up, right, I mean, and Bridges isn't playing
on defense?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well?

Speaker 6 (12:21):
They actually I think I saw in a couple downs
they played dime, so they had they had h one
two four corners.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
He didn't, he didn't have any snaps on defense this
week Bridges, Bridges, he had twenty six what did he have?
Twenty snaps in the Chicago game on defense?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
That was it?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
And six snaps in the Giants game. So it's been
three games where he has not played on defense, and
so that's the move.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, right, that is it easy to decide who's playing where.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
And that and so Bridges is the most what what
it is?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's the one who is most likely unlikely to get
picked up by somebody else and you can put them
on the practice squad and then you got him available
right elevator or whatever whenever you need them.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
God, it just seem like we're just talking about bodies.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
We're talking about.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
No, I'm talking.

Speaker 7 (13:12):
About what about Bridges? What about Bridges?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
What about it?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
We see and there's thirty one others you know, But
but there's and that's the point is there's thirty one
other teams in the league doing the exact same thing,
you know, where with these new rules on injured reserve
and stuff, it's a fluid thing. So it's no big
deal that to do what they did yesterday. Wave Jalen
Cropper and then he'll be back. I mean, their injuries

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will happen, and Cropper will be back on the fifty
three within a couple of weeks probably. I mean, it's
just the way it works in the league.

Speaker 8 (13:41):
I guess so because you got we have two stellar cornerbacks.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
Let's just call it what it is, digs and blaying
the stellar.

Speaker 8 (13:48):
So the other guys that just fill in, you know,
I want to I want that guy to come in
and make some plays. I haven't seen anybody making plays yet.
I could see probably some coverages may have caught. Was
the sack somewhere, you know, But I don't think that's
happened a whole lot except in the Jets game.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
I want to see some guys come in and bat
the ball down getting there.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
There's one guy that they're counting on to do that
that's not on the roster right now, and that's the
third round pick.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Yes, and I understand that. But these other guys, man,
I mean.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
And when ready are you going to put there? When
he's ready, are you going to put him out there?
There's no, they haven't started. They haven't started.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
I'm glad you held that cussword.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
No, I'm glad I jumped in.

Speaker 8 (14:38):
You know, I just I just under what the mindset
is of guys who just come in and and you know,
they throw you in there or don't, and you know
you're just they're floating around. Man, that's just not a
career to have. And I guess I was spoiled in
that manner because we didn't have all that going on
when I was playing.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay Ta three years ago.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Now, when Bland's rookie year, he was one of these
guys just floating around for about half the season. Yeah,
and then there was an in Jordan Lewis injury, and
then oh, this fifth round draft pick got a Fresno State,
Sacramento State, wherever he came, you know, he became both
the schools all of a sudden, Oh, well, this.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Guy looks pretty good.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah he was healthy, he was healthy.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
But I'm saying is he was a guy that was
floating around, not getting an opportunity yet because everyone else
was healthy. And then somebody got hurt. He got his chance,
and he made the most of his chance. So now
maybe there's one Maybe Bridges is that guy. Maybe someone else.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Is that guy.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
Maybe Parson, I mean, Anthony Brown got hurt and then
Bland had to go play outside because he was in
the slide right.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Anthony Brown's another example going back. He was a sixth
round draft pick. I was going back looking at the
twenty some reason I looked up.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh, I was looking at the.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Defense and thinking about, Okay, what did this defense look
like when they had a really good team that won
the division and they went thirteen and three? What does
defense look like then? And I was looking at twenty sixteen. Oh,
there's Anthony Brown out there, right, So we bring up
Anthony Brown just now. Anthony Brown was one of those guys.
He was a sixth round draft pick out of Purdue.

(16:15):
No what had any expectations his rookie year, and he
plays a lot, you know. And I was looking at
the Green Bay game in the twenty sixteen season and
he was basically starting.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Out there, you know.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
You know, yes, yesterday we did the Tank Lawrence appreciation
Jordan Lewis at the Nickel corner as man being able
to feel that we've still in the place where we're
trying to find that and Deron Blank coming back from
injury obviously gives you a leg up to that regard.
But I just think that we still haven't been able
to find that piece that fits the same way that

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Jordan Lewis did in.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
That defense, maybe we did get spoiled.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
You know, you expect guys to just come out and
have confidence in themselves and say, okay, I'm next man up.
But you know, right now we're just throwing one so
much much posta up against the wall.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Man.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
I just want to see someone come through and make
some plays. And I think it's more dire now because
our defense is playing so badly.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And there's two players that you mentioned. One much as
we focus on Micah and what he got at Green
Bay his contract, Jordan Lewis got three years thirty million
dollars at Jacksonville and DeMarcus Lawrence got three years forty
two million at Seattle and when your salary cap strapped,
you can't afford.

Speaker 6 (17:30):
And those things happened before they were able to make
room with Parsons being traded.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
So I want us to look at as much as
you know, you got a brown that might come out
of this, you have a bland that might come out
of this. As far as the DB's a concerned, I
don't want them just just don't throw anything at it.
I want to see I hope that I know they
are in their own way being strategic on who they
try and bring in.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Well, the thing that's got to happen is Digs and
Bland have to get back to playing like Digs and
playing can play. That's what's got to happen. You can
cover one of the corners and help out, you can't
cover two or three, by the way, And that's what
they were doing with all this zone defense.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
And and I'll just throw this out there and without
talking about any specific players because we can't with the
trade deadline approaching. Uh, just look at look look at
the rosters. Look at the rosters of those teams that
are one in five right now, and look for players
that are in the last year of their contract, and

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you might and they're who are starting and playing significantly.
And that's a place where you might be able to
find a player who can come in right now and
do something.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
Well with the parody in this league right now.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
Yes, that that's good for picking up veterans in that
man's cheaply.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yeah, that's right, because those teams just want to get
something for.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
It, so you're basically looking for a rental there. But
the first thing that has to happen is you there
are one, two, three games being played before the trade deadline,
and you got to you can't be losing these three
games in fall to what would be two six and one.
Then you're not looking for a player like that. You
got to win games. And starting Sunday against Washington.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yeah, these next two games are really big as far
as the trade deadline is concerned, because Commanders and then
the Broncos obviously, and this is fantasy world here, if
you pull out these two victories, then I think that
completely changes. Yeah, where how you're looking at the rest
of your season.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
And then four three and one, you're above five hundred
with Arizona coming in here.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
It depends on how you win it. It depends on
how you win it, Yeah, because if your defense is
still giving up a bunch of points. In our offense,
as Mickey said, ends up doing forty forty five points,
let's say we overcome our own defense, that still doesn't.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Way look around the league, there's a whole bunch of
other teams that are in that same boat.

Speaker 8 (19:57):
But I was is consistent bad in one area, and
that's where the problem is. If you can still consistently
bad in one area. But we still win these two games.
You're still in the same situation. You still gotta find
somebody on defense, right, We're still in the same situation.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
That would encourage you to do it if you want those.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
Yes, yeah, but you gotta get it better.

Speaker 8 (20:19):
Let's say, once again using my scenario, scoring well and
in spite of your own defense, you still need some
You're gonna still need some cornerbacks or linebackers or linemen
or whatever it is.

Speaker 7 (20:32):
And that's the problem defense. See what I'm saying, and
see you got me.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
I'm stuck because it's like, if you win it, you're saying,
you can't just win it.

Speaker 8 (20:41):
You gotta win it a certain way. It's gonna show
defensively any improvement.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
So if it's like you still have forty five to
forty and you're giving up for you're still well.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Then it becomes obviously need help there.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
It's already.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
And Jerry said yesterday they got the AMMO to do
whatever they need on defense.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
You got man. They called them delusion What ammo?

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (21:09):
No, they because they said that statement was delusion.

Speaker 6 (21:12):
No, because he has the AMMO to do something right, Okay,
not and not just why are we draft capital.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
We got to see win these games.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
We got we got to see if we're in the hunt.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Uh the trade dead.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
Well if you start, but they say, keep you power
to drive, right, keep you power to drive.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
That's what we're doing. We're keeping that power the.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Drive well, right, if you put out a Wanta Dad,
now they're they're going to be charging you a lot, right, right.
He doesn't want to give up the first and no
one else is going to get rid of somebody this soon.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
So this is one of the more unique moments in
Cowboy history to where you have an offense playing so
well and their defense is just letting them down week
after week. I usually we've you know, we'll a little
bit more balanced and it is not therefore out of wet.
This is like the first time I've seen this happen
in quite some time, to where we're so efficient.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Our disparity is large.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yes it is, Yes it is. I haven't seen that much.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Okay, CD's return will it boost or how much can
it boost what is already going great on this Cowboys offense.
When we come back, you're on mix shots in a
moment since we trip.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Care of this defense.

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Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, I heard this description this morning, and tell me
what you think of it. Here are six games into
this season. This is a team that is a playoff contender.
I mean there's sitting there right around five hundred, right. Okay,

(25:27):
but it has average to below average overall talent. It's
way below average on defense, but it is way above
average at quarterback, and that gives them a chance.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
What do you think of that?

Speaker 7 (25:47):
Always?

Speaker 8 (25:47):
Oh yeah, oh, the quarterback always gives you a chance.
The offense offense always gives you a chance.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
What team am I describing Cowboy Washington?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
It was a Washington I went behind enemy lines and
that it's how they were describing the Washington commanders.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
No, I agree, it's a These teams are basically mirror
images of each other in terms of talent, way below
I mean, because they're saying the same things in Washington
about their defense that we're saying about this defense here.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
And the quarterback gives him a chance because he is
way above all.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
I don't like that for dan Quinn because mostly most
head coach that their forte is the offensive defense and
the defense of struggling that doesn't that's.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
The perspective of media and fans in Washington about the
Washington team.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
Well, and it also points out that you can't make
mistakes with your best unit offense. They turned the ball
over three times in that loss to the Bear, and the.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Last one was not caused by the defense. Yeah, maybe
a wet ball or just being carried.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well, Jaden Daniels said that he lost focus. He didn't
he wasn't focused like he should have been focused.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
In that ship and the quarterback's got to say that,
And yeah.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
I was gonna say, is that just falling on the sword?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (27:08):
Is that that?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
But I mean I think he's That's how he explained
how it happened.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Is I lost focus?

Speaker 7 (27:13):
You know?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
And it makes sense. You know, he's a kind of
a which I think is a good thing. He's a
he's so nonplussed. He is so but it comes across
as being casual how he approaches things.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
He's like a flat line.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, I hadn't caught up with him yet in the media,
but you know, he's a young he's a young guy.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
I love him.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
You know, I didn't have him high on the draft
board when he came out of L s U.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
But boy did he.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Surprised me last season. But it seems like this season
he's going through a bit of those growing pains that
you may have expected last season. And they two games
the great equalizer, you know, and going up against Mickey's Bears.
I mean, it was one of those games where you started.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
To see somebody else walk.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah yeah, Vicky's bears, you know, and his top and
he didn't have it, you know, and he didn't have
that either show. I just thought that was you know,
I'm like, man, he does look human after all, you know.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
I mean, let me tell you something. And Dak found
that out.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
You know, you can come into this league with your
expertise all you want, but you have to adapt. Also,
he came in thinking he can just run all over everyone,
which he could.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Guy's fast man. I mean, he's a heck of a
running quarterback, but he wasn't running smart.

Speaker 8 (28:26):
In the league, they make you get smart. Now he
has to adapt. He's not hopefully against us, he doesn't
start running all over the place again. But that was
part of his strength. Now he needs to temper that
down a little bit because you don't want to come
up against the defenders all the time at your size
and then I'm at my size, it's a.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
Whole different thing.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Better get out of bound.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Now, you got to get out of bound.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
And that has that has kind of tempered also the
expectation on what he can do on the field.

Speaker 7 (28:53):
So the fans now they're a little bit.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
Nervous for him all the time, and he should be
nervous all the time when he runs the ball.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
He ain't that big, he ain't that big, but he's white.
He's a hell of an athlete.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
So now he has to play within himself after making
those adjustments of not being that runner.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
And that's all.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Those running quarterbacks have to face. They have to write,
am I making a good businesses and cheap running and ringing?

Speaker 7 (29:20):
And you see the older one, the older ones.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
Yeah, I think out slide now as opposed to trying
to slide later.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
And man, when do guys learn?

Speaker 5 (29:28):
I think r G three classic example of a guy
that came into the league had you know, great to
decent arm, but what he could do running the ball,
I think really kind of changed his career. And then
all of a sudden he runs into the Baltimore Ravens
and almost loses it all, you know, and again Jaydon Daniels,
again his legs. I think that's the greatest asset. And

(29:49):
here we come in with our defense that is struggling
so mightily. It may be that game that he's probably
sitting back, but he's got to be sitting back, saying, right,
this has got to be the week for me as
a player that I can get this offense going because
they've been kind of struggling.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
That's struggling because of his injury. Well, he is not
the same quarterback, a dual threat. He's not the same
quarterback unless he can show you he's.

Speaker 7 (30:17):
A dual threat. And right now that has been you know,
kind of taking down a little.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Is this guy? Is it Jacory Crosskey? There?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It's Bill, Bill, Bill, It's Bill, Okay, pronounced.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Bill ja Cory Bill?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
All right, forget that Jay, It's just Bill.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
All right, My man Bill. He's a pretty good running back.
You know.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
I like him, and I feel like, you know, in
a game where you gave up two hundred and sixteen
yards on the ground last week, the attention to stopping
the run this week has to be all about stopping Bill.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
No, I don't want to say kill Bill, but.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
You gotta stop get Bill, all right, you gotta get Bill,
and you are obviously we've been talking about quarterbacks when
you know, coverage breakdown and that hadn't happened a while.
But when guys the quarterback takes it upon himself to
pick up yards and you were just talking about this
with Jayden Daniels and him being slighter sized, but also
being a guy that's coming back from injury. I still

(31:16):
believe that in this game you have to worry about
him now. I don't know if you spy Jaydon Daniels
the same way you would you know, Lamar Jackson or
someone like that, But he makes I think.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
If you're talking right now, he's a better athlete than
Lamar as far as his youth is concerned. You can see,
you can see Lamar doesn't get out of those same traps.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
Like a youth.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Speaking of injuries, Yeah, he.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
Doesn't get out of those same traps like he used to.
It's just a little different now you have a guy
younger legs. Yeah, I think right now he's a better
athlete than Lamar. I'm not saying he's a better quarterback
a better athlete than Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
And it's got to give the offensive coordinator pause of
calling running plays for your.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Quarterback on purpose.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
Everything's not as just escaping as they're calling quarterback draws.
And I guarantee you if the Cowboys come out with
that wide splits on their defensive line and leave the
middle open.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
They're calling a quarterback draw.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
And I would imagine if I'm a Redskins coach, I
feel a little bit more confident about calling running plays
for my running quarterback. Right then if I'm going against
anyone else and just tell them be smart enough to slide.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Say get down, get out of bounds, run.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
Over, because I mean, we're still we still have gaps
in our defense. So if I'm jating down, I'm not
gonna ignore that. I might feel a little bit more
confident going against this defense.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
They're second in the league in rushing. Washington is six games.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
That's because Daniels is all right, for one hundred and
seventy six.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeard, he's got he but he's only averaging four point
nine yards of carry.

Speaker 6 (32:52):
That's all.

Speaker 7 (32:52):
That's nothing for Bill.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Bill's averaging five point seven yards of carry. And then
you got Jeremy McNichols. You know how many yards he's
averaging a carry nine point zero.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Wow, he got a sixty yard run.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
He's got one hundred and seventeen yards on thirteen carries,
So we don't want to And Chris Rodriguez, their third guy,
has one hundred and five yards on twenty three We.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
Don't want to call out the Cowboys defensive stats now
against that?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Do we No?

Speaker 7 (33:20):
We do not. So what do you think they're gonna
do when they come in here to run?

Speaker 8 (33:24):
They gotta run the ball heavy. Just get ready for that. Yeah,
let's just get ready for that. I'm sorry, Yes.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
And get rid of those splits that Mickey's talking about
at leavest Kenneth Murray and the whole with just the
center garden tackle.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
So what do we Oh?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Wait, I forgot Deebo's got forty five yards on eight
carries too, he's still going, he's averaging more. Jayden has
the lowest average of everybody who's touched the ball.

Speaker 8 (33:52):
Carry All right, go ahead, every so, no, no, what
do we do defensively?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Now?

Speaker 8 (33:59):
If what is your mindset? As eba flus? We whether
we play first? What do we play the run? Do
we play the past first?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Whether we play they need to start defending the run?

Speaker 8 (34:10):
Yeah, you gotta s's this week?

Speaker 7 (34:13):
That's this week. Now?

Speaker 8 (34:14):
What did we say in week two? Hey man, we
gotta stop the pass?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (34:19):
So now here we are, hey guys after two weeks again, guest.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Do what you did against Philadelphia okay, well, first bacon
after after the weather hit in Philadelphia?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
What you did after the weather? You want to Philadelphia?
They didn't store a bit the last one.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
If you're the you're thinking, what the hell do I do?

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Now?

Speaker 6 (34:41):
Well you choose. The last three games, opponents have rushed
for one sixty four and two sixteen, but while doing so,
they passed for three twenty five, two thirty four and
just one ninety four. What's the one that was the
last game?

Speaker 7 (34:59):
Okay? Because they didn't need to pass.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
It didn't have to.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
Basically, you have it your way.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
They only passed on a.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
Fourth and three and it was successful touchdown.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, that try.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
What a weird dynamic?

Speaker 7 (35:16):
I mean, what do you do your ebra Flus? What
do you do?

Speaker 8 (35:20):
Okay, guys, what's the game planning this week? Same as
last week? Stop the run? But it didn't happen. But
I'm just saying that you got to take away something.

Speaker 7 (35:28):
And we didn't, Yeah, take away anything? Yeah, So what
do you do as a defensive coordinator?

Speaker 6 (35:33):
Tell the offensive score forty points?

Speaker 7 (35:36):
Would? Would? I would?

Speaker 8 (35:37):
Would it be irresponsible for a defensive coordinator frustrated like
ebra Flus to just come out and just go totally
against the norm.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Ten men of the box, let's go.

Speaker 8 (35:54):
I mean, come on, let's let's put pressure. We don't
do well without. We don't do well with pressure. We
don't stop the run. We don't stop yeah, the past.
Why not, man, let's just go. Let's just go all out.
What they call it, I just just burn the ground.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
What they call it? Just the earth squarts the earth?
Because what do you have? What do you have? Let's
see how a team can react to our change in
our game plan.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Let's dictate it.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
Let's dictate it. Why not?

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Yep, me to tell you what not to do that.
Missouri played Auburn in the SEC title game, and Auburn
was running up until a long time ago thirteen a
time ago. Yeah it wasn't Cam Newton, Okay, and the
defensive coordinary decided he was going to play a three

(36:49):
man front and have more linebackers. Yeah, so that their
three hundred and twenty pound offensive lineman can pick off
my two hundred pound linebacker.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
They ran for five of one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Five.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Let's just think about that.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Against a really good team.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
He chose not to make an adjustment. I would imagine
you got to make an adjustment after a while, right,
the problem.

Speaker 7 (37:12):
You gotta play the three down line.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
I was only twenty rows up from the bench, and
he didn't hear me, Like, can we have some more
guys on the office.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Yeah, it didn't work.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's not working.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
I told him it's not working.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
After a while, you realize that's not working. Here we
are now, it's not working.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
And it got beat by one touchdown fifty to forty something.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
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you still turn.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
No, I got something real quick. Oh okay, I got
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Speaker 2 (37:40):
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Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's way back Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
No, it's who's your goat?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Okay, who's your goat? Who's your goat?

Speaker 7 (37:49):
All right?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
And it's pleap. This is preliminaries right now. And this
is gonna be real quick, guys. There's nothing wrong. I'm
going back to seventy four right away.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
This player was taken in the first round by the
Baltimore Coats, ended up playing for the Dallas Cowboys in
a trade, and seventy nine played from seventy nine to
eighty seven. He is a defensive tackle and his name
is John Dutton. You played with John Dutton, so we
are matching John Dutton versus a seventh round pick taking

(38:18):
in O five, a two time All First Team All
Pro defensive tackle, and he is Jay Ratliffe. Preliminaries here.
Who would you take? John Dutton or Jay Ratliffe.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
That's a good one at what point in their careers?

Speaker 4 (38:34):
No no, no no no no no no no, Mick,
you got just pick one.

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You gotta pick one or the pick it next and
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Speaker 2 (41:09):
Okay, we're playing Who's the goat? Those we got comparison
between John Dutton.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
John Dutton, who played with the Cowboys from seventy nine
to eighty seven. He was originally a first round draft
pick of the Colt Baltimore Colts first five years of
his career.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Then, and they hated the flex defense.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Yeah, first team, first team All Pro once and second
team All Pro ones as well.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
So I want to make sure up.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Mention that how many Pro Bowls?

Speaker 4 (41:36):
He had three Pro Bowls, three Pro Bowls and Jay
Ratliffe had four? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (41:42):
Really?

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (41:43):
Nice?

Speaker 4 (41:44):
So who's your goat? Who you got?

Speaker 7 (41:46):
My guys?

Speaker 8 (41:46):
My guys, John Dunton, Going with John Dunton. Yeah, I'm
going with John Dunton. It wasn't just his ability to
play the run. It was the fact that he was
so damn big, and it really helped the secondary gosse
to batted balls and things of that nature. I don't
know how many bad balls he has, but he should
have had a lot of them because he's right there
in the middle of it, always being double team, and

(42:10):
he was a guy that you did not want to
play with.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
And with too tall next to him, they couldn't see everything.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
No, they couldn't. And matter of fact, they knocked down
some interceptions they did.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
That's a good one.

Speaker 7 (42:23):
They knocked down. They saved my ass a few times.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
But man, there were times when they were just really
on the road to where and we're playing we're playing short.
You know, we're gonna We're sitting down on routes and
we're ready to make the move and.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
Ed Jumps just knocked him down.

Speaker 9 (42:40):
I ain't Bill, come on, tell me, oh, it's done
for me? Nothing also, okay, but take nothing away from
Jay Ratliffe. By the way, Ratliffe was part of one
of the best draft classes the Cowboys have ever had
in two thousand and five, starting with the Marcus Wearing
Marcus Spears in the first round, Kevin Burnett in the.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Second round, ye Harry and Barber in the fourth round. Yes,
Chris Canty in the fourth round, and you're picking up
a four time pro bowler at Auburn in the seventh round,
Jeremiah Ratliffe. I mean, and the way he played as
an undersized nose tackle in Wade Phillips defense. I mean,
there's take nothing away from him, but I mean John

(43:17):
Dutton at six six or whatever he was and overshadowed
by teammates that like Randy White and too tall Jones.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
But it's just what was. Harby Harvey was six sixth,
wasn't he Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
And then Harvey yeah, And so I mean that was
a formidable front and Dunton was a primary part of that.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
But I Dunton was a part of a system and
he played this system. This is Nate for Frisco.

Speaker 9 (43:47):
We know this.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
I'm like, well, Jay rattlife, Lord God, I didn't a
better athlete. He was allowed to flourish a little bit more.
Dunton came in and he played the system, the flex
very very well. Now, he made a few plays here
and there, but he was not the athlete or the

(44:11):
player that Jay Ratless was. And the defense allowed Jay
Ratleys to come in and flourish within his defense Dunton
was valuably what he did and trying to make the
proper steps.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
And I can't speak better than you know.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
You got a guy right there, a true Hall of
famer that should be a Hall of Famer, knows exactly
of what this is.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Ill.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Some guys could come into the flex and be very
very good at it.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
But Randy White broke more flex rules because he saw
the restriction of it. Whereas Dunton played a long time
because it helped because he flourished within it.

Speaker 8 (44:49):
Dutton was able to play the technique that gave Randy
his freedom. Yes, before Dunton came here, you know, he
was really extremely active defensive lineman in fact.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
To that point.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
And by the way, he was the fifth pick in
the draft.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
This was John Dutton.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Wow, for still fifth pick in the draft in nineteen
seventy four.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
This was a huge fan.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
This was before sacks became an official stat in the NFL,
but the league leader in sacks unofficially in nineteen seventy
five was John Dutton, credited with fourteen sacks for the
Baltimore Coles.

Speaker 8 (45:28):
That's why he did not like the flex, because he
knew he had the sacrifice right stats, and that's why
I liked it.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I more changed him.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
It was fourteen games, eighteen sacks, John Dutton.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Who do you right with me?

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Well, seeing that I only saw Dutton in the flex,
not well, I don't know if it was still the flex,
but his last four years with Cowboys, when he was
at the end of his three I saw all of
Jay Rattler. Although I must admit I saw Dutton when
he was at Nebraska, right, although I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Was he shucking cooling?

Speaker 10 (46:07):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (46:07):
He was shucking the offensive linement. I can tell you that.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
But you know what, and that's good to know. Great
uh uh the way to dig in building and get
it going there.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
But we saw more of Jay ratlins uh as a
free uh guy that can play within the scheme of
the defense, and he had the room to move around,
whereas we saw Dutton limited. So that's why I go
with Jay Ratliff.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
I'm going with Ratleff. Okay, what's yourn the gates?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
No, No, I'm only hosting the game. I can't own
list man, yo yo, Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
You're Richard Dawson. This is a family feud.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
So I'm gonna have to split split the baby here.
I'm gonna the John dutton for everything that I just
heard about the guy, and I hear that he had
a scary voice to go with it, So yeah, he
was mean.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
It was nothing nice about Duttony when he speaks to
his grandmother.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And he was the second best defensive lineman to come
out of the Big Eight, the second best defensive lineman
to come out.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Of the Big Eight behind Leroy Selman.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Yes, all right, my best, my best memory of Dunton.
Do you remember the preseason game in eighty six against
the Bears when took no.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
It was eighty five.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Randy White yanked offensive lineman's helmet off in a preseason
game and was ready to get in a.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Fight, and he bunked him on the head with it.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
He got thrown out right, and Randy goes afterwards, He
told me, I didn't want to play in that game.
It was too hot, So I was going to get
out of it. The next day in the locker room
or Monday, they used to have the quadrant over there,
him and Randy, you know, and and Smrik yeah, and
and Dunton. Everybody's talking to Randy about it and his

(48:10):
deep voice, right, he goes yeah. And you know what
Randy said to him when he left the field, I'll
meet you in the parking lot.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Yeah, and parking lot hesitation there.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Yeah, you know it came from a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I can't find.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
You better not be coming up with some with people
you can't even give a response.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
And you know, they say, man, I'm saying. That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
I want to be impartial to this because my guys,
my guys one then the answer I would have got it.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
It wouldn't have been a split if it wasn't you
in the back that had a vote.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
So, but I.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Way to go, Nate.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
There you go, right, And so tomorrow we will talk
about this return of C. D.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
Lamb. Yes, we will rundown number one item number one that.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
You ever got Chattenheimer say that, well, oh you didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I got distracted by John Dutton and Jeremiah Ratler. All right, Uh,
see you again tomorrow at high noon.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
O Cowboys Go Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
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