August 20, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is Mick shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
heckma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Okay, I promise I'm not going to say anything about
the traffic out there. We get started here twelve minutes
late on mix shots, and we will have Mickey Spagnola
in just a moment and he will be fined right
every So what a camera is that? How much would
parcels find you for being twelve minutes late?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
For a minute? Oh my goodness. First of all, I
have to get past Belichick.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Okay, how much of Belichick?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I love to get back?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
He walked here.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That's where he's late, because he walked he walked back back. Wow,
we've been on the air for twelve minutes here and
finally shows up for his own show. All right, you
got Bill Jones, you got Everson Walls, you got Heck
Maharrison and putting his headset on now is Mickey Spagnola.
And off the top, Mickey, I said, I'm not going
(01:23):
to say anything about the traffic out there, but I
will say this. I sure as heck am happy. I
haven't had to get to work at eight or nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Throughout my car, I can hear them your voice, Bill,
You know people you're cussom you can feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You know it's a little resident.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Come home. His fingers may be a little sore.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
You're working them out. Yeah, working one out.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, we're number one always.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
All right, here we go. We had a practice last night.
We got another practice tonight. We got a Netflix series
going on. There's so much to talk about because this
is America's team.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I think we got about two hours worth of material
to go overs. Mick, But you were there last night.
Tell us about the practice.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Did they practice last I got to collect my thoughts here.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Okay, all right, I'll tell you what, man.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I am so glad that we have a fourth partner
here who really takes his job.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
See, you got the group Texas morning.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I got the thick. This is good stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It is he to get a rundown on what we're
talking about.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
He made no joke.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How long? How long is this show?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
We're having those two hours two hours, two hours.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Heck, you go on a three three hour, a three
mile jog, Yes, starting at like four thirty in the morning,
four o'clock in the morning, four o'clock in the morning,
and the man and.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Then I have these thoughts.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
See, you have your thought you have your great thoughts
on your on your three miles.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
John, Yes, I have thoughts. He got thoughts.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You know where my great my great thoughts come in
the shower.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You're a shower guy, right, hey, I understanding you never
know where to look. The motivation could come from different places.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I can't tell you how many times I get I'm
in the shower and I have the greatest thoughts in
the world. I haven't had a shower today, and so
I have no great thoughts today.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I feel like is my personal assistant because of the
things that he just laid out of gush, he laid this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm the new I'm the new guy. I understand that
I'm gonna go through a little bit of a hazing
right now. Okay. All I was trying to do is
just simply lay out.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
You've been you've you've been.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
That ain't me, and I'll take it. I'll take it
because this is worth it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It is it is.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So here are the bullet points of things we're gonna
talk about it Flick Series, America's teams about as Cowboys
practice at the Star and frist Go preseason concerns, bigger picture,
Cowboys talk fun fan segment coming up to.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Chris, Chris, go, take take a break, man. We got
heck here.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now let me show you this. Okay, okay, all right,
it's a green bubble. Yeah, okay, somebody has I.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Tried to send a picture. I responded and it did
not get sent. Why didn't it get because one of
us here is an android guy. Oh my god, because
one of us here, Mickey is an android guy. I
couldnt send you a video and a picture that I
was trying to send on this group Texas Morning, which
is from the Netflix series in my old college roommate
(04:56):
apparently as Apparently as Troy as Troy Aikman is walking
into the locker room. There's you can see in the
background me holding up a wall. So I was trying
to send that video to you. But my point is
I love the group text techma, but we got.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To get rid of gathering.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Why didn't you help me the picture.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I will you don't want.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
In college, I had a roommate, had a pum.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
I can send you a picture, well your iPads, I pads.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I think it's the group text issue, so I have
to send it separately to the android over here.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well that's that's Mickey. I'm different. I want to say, Mickey,
I thought that the way that I put that together
was an aliu for you to go into that segment
and go ahead and tell us about when you covered
the Cowboys back in the Earth see me in it?
I did? I did?
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I miss you?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
How can I miss Saturday Night? What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
You see my bylines?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
All right?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I ask?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have had just had time to watch the first
half of the first one, okay right now, because I'm
preparing for a preseason game. You know, there's other stuff
going on. I want to I wanted to sit there
in front of it and just consume it. Okay, So
this morning before I got stuck in traffic, after after
your text and it's about the Netflix, Okay, I'm gonna
(06:29):
watch a little bit of it anyway.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Okay, Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And the Saturday Night massacre. There's Mickey with his big mustache,
waiting for Jerry to enter the room. And so that's
the first I've seen a Mickey on the show.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
And then there's another one a little guy later for
the massacre.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It is good stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And by the way, I think, I don't think the
team should spend a team time watching it, but I
think it would be It would serve the players on
this team well if sometime in the next week they
consume the Netflix series and understand what the nineties Cowboys
(07:07):
were all about, or.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
If they had gotten here thirty seven years earlier and
felt the wrath of Jimmy Johnson which.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
He got mine too. They got mine too.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
They had the whole video of the asthma field.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh it was great. I thought. My thinking on this
is even if you're not a Cowboy fan, this is
this is worth the watch. Netflix outdid themselves on that.
I binge watched it. You're only one episode in. I
don't want to ruin it for you, but I just
we know the end. I don't want to. I don't
(07:52):
know there's there's more to it than just obviously the
last Super Bowl win and all of that. I just look,
if you if you watched the last dance, I've been
asking if you watched the Last Dance with Michael Jordan,
and like, it's so much from that Bulls era that
you were able to key in on and like just
really get into the moment. That was what I was
so excited about watching this and living through that time
(08:13):
and then seeing it just how pivotal those decisions were,
all the way from the herschel Walker deal, all the
way to Michael Irvan sitting in the courtroom. I just man,
it was riveting. It was it was great content. But
Mickey was there in the flesh, sitting right there. He
was there.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I didn't get here till nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I was in the courtroom too, in the courtroom. Come on, man,
come on, Mick, impart your wisdom. Don't just sit.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
I saw one full episode. I fell asleep in the
second one, and I kept going back and I go, okay,
this is not working. As I was missing you're still.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Watching that show NOE and was watching you see.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
And I spent part of the day yesterday with Michael Irvin.
We were in tail try yeah and name at A.
He's really good in front of four hundred people, let
me tell you, he was great.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I started to think that. And I told Bill on
the phone that you know, sometimes revisionist history not real
accurate because they're relying on all those people to remember
thirty seven years ago. And I saw some things and
I'm going, I don't know about that. You know, things
like that. So but from a visual standpoint and information
(09:34):
for people that were born in two thousand, yeah, I
thought it.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Or even for people that were born in nineteen eighty
seven or nineteen ninety and they were too young to
really live that. Like my daughters, they're gonna love this.
They're gonna have a new appreciation for it.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
It's like it's like I lived through the Vietnam War,
but I didn't take notes, right, which I wish I had.
I lived through Whitegate, I mean gate, but I didn't
take notes. You weren't like that was I was worried
about the White Sox. I wouldn't worry about.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Them through the White House. Wait a minute, I saw that.
So you wasn't in that. That wasn't.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So there's a White House episode.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Yeah, quiet, God's just this, No not, He's about the
bust out of his dog.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I want to tell you, I want to run because look,
I'm one of those people just go ahead and ruin
the movie for me. Tell me, I was happy.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I was very happy that they did have the footage
of Michael Irvan when he got drafted and the party, and.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh man, I love that that I was working in
San Antonio at the time and that I fell in love.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
With Michael irv and on his draft day.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, we were getting that video from Miami and oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Man, great great family, the family twenty seventh Florida.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
When I uh seventeen, his line about being poor was
the best. They couldn't afford the r Yeah. And I
was there when he hugged the cutout of Tom Landry.
I was coming down the hallway and I saw him.
(11:26):
I go, this guy's going to be something. But the
first time I met Mike was after the Orange Bowl
the eighty seventh season, when they won the national championship
beat Oklahoma, and we're in the lock I'm covering the game. Yeah,
and uh, I'm covering the game and he couldn't cover
(11:48):
Mike by the way, and he's sitting on one of
those equipment carts that roll away and he's holding court
in the locker. Room, and all of a sudden, he goes.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
You know all those guys on Oklahoma they're talking about
going to play in the NFL, Well, they couldn't cover
me today, and when they get there, they're not going
to cover me then either.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
And he's just screaming right, and I'm going, oh, this guy,
and then the Cowboys draft him.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, and then the Cowboys hired the Oklahoma coach and
that's when the trash can went through.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Lock. I got a question, though, Mick. During that time.
What I felt, what like was very like interesting was
the herschel Walker trade and how they parlayed all of
that into those five picks, and like, did Jerry Like
the way they make it sound is like Jerry completely
fooled the general manager from the Vikings into that.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Mike McCoy was the brainchild behind that deal. He was
kind of Jerry's right hand man in the oil business,
and he was a brilliant mathematician. He understood a lot
of things. He was a trying value trade value chart too,
by the way, and he kind of he and Jimmy,
(13:05):
I think, came up with that idea and then Jimmy
signed off. It's like Minnesota thought they wanted to get
good right now, and we're going to give them these
five players that were kind of useless players to them.
And then they said no, we're going to tie those
players to the draft choices. But that didn't come out immediately.
(13:26):
It took about four or five days before that to unfold,
because the day after the draft, I think it was
Friday night, Channel twenty one thirty three, they did a
live thing with all the beat writers and we just
panned the trade. It's like, you got nothing and the
(13:48):
only thing you had you traded herschel Walker for a
bag of hay and we didn't know, we didn't know
that it was tied to the draft choice. You got
all They they just said, here are the players. So
what happened was what happened was, you know, we we
(14:08):
did the show that night, so all of us panned
it right. Well, I want to say, someone on radio
the next day started a rumor that also part of
the trade is the Cowboys are sending Steve Walsh to Minnesota,
which was wrong, right, totally wrong. I found out it
(14:29):
was wrong. And the next morning sports editor calls and says,
we need comments from Jerry about this trade with Steve Walsh,
and I said, I already know it's wrong, and they go, yeah,
but we need him to comment on a wrong story, right,
(14:53):
And so I get his phone number and I call him.
I don't think I had been ever cuss out.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
That bad in my entire life, because he watched the
show the night before, right, Oh, he let me have it,
and uh, we got to the end and I said,
so do you want to come.
Speaker 10 (15:12):
In true report?
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I wanted to give him.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hanging this bad and took all that.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
And I think all I think I heard, all right,
we got to go to a break.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But before we go to a break, Everson, what do
you as a player or what was your reaction when
on the Herschel Walker trading.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Actually I thought it was a good trade, I really did.
It wasn't. I wasn't a Heschelwalker fan. Necessarily.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I thought that we were becoming, you know, just a
one dimensional team because he was really all we had offensively,
and uh, at that point it just looked like a
showcase for him. It didn't look like a showcase for winning.
We want winning, and so to me, I thought it
was I knew it was going to be a rubbing
and we were starting all over them.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
And to add to that, Jimmy would say later really
not on the record, that you know herschel fine running back.
He's not my kind of running back. He's a straight
line runner. And for him to succeed, he's got to
run over people. He's not going to make people miss.
And Jimmy just didn't think that they could win with
(16:24):
him as the running.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well, I think they probably could have with that offensive
line that they eventually got.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Eventually the eventually got.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, but that probably came through the fact that they
got rid of.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Him, right, because I think the running back helped the
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
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Speaker 5 (19:15):
We got one of those days already out of the way, guys.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's okay. It's still pertinent here.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It is ok And tonight's is televised as a matter
of fact, that's right, X say twenty one from six
to eight o'clock. And it was good practice last night,
Well attended practice last night.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, there was probably I don't even think five thousand people,
nothing like that. Yeah, it's a lot, yeah for a practice.
And people were flowing in by the way too.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, we'll be I'll be flowing in with my people.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
There you go tonight, you're going.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, you better get.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
There early if you want good I heard, I heard,
I heard. Unless you want to come sit with us,
I might do that. We'll have him as a game.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We're in the broadcast booth. Oh, you can't come up
and do a segment.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Did I get paid?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Nope? There it goes that we're doing it.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I know.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So what about last which is off the top?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He did?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Yeah, so Jayden Blue?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Was that the headline story?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I would say that he was back in uniform taking
snaps and that was a good sight to see.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
There were still a dozen thirteen guys not participating for
whatever reasons. They had, most of them injury rehab. One
holding in. He's got an injury issue. Yeah, he needs
a dollar sign for his back brace. Mike okay, and
(20:58):
holding in, holding the whole.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
That's okay.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
He's not out, he's here. He's just not doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
All of them.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Jerry mclaurin's hold in.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
So somebody told me there was a report out there
that he was fed up with the negotiations.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Oh, they've been saying that.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Well, he was so fed up that like about an
hour and a half two hours before the practice, he
was out there with Harold Nash doing his conditioning work.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, that's good, because something's not adding up with the stories.
Why don't we versus the participation. So what we are.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Seeing at practice, which is him just standing to the side,
isn't all of what he is doing as far as
getting ready for the season.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah, that's right, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
He's been So there's a possibility then that he is
doing other stuff out of sight getting ready for the
season that we aren't aware of because we don't have
cameras rolling on him.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
He was doing that at training camp too. He was
doing it with Kendall Smith and then Harold Ash, the
strength and conditioning coaches were working him out, and it
looked like they were working him out to bending over
and holding his knees too.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. By the way, that means I'm winded the universal side.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, no, so least he's doing that. But again, remember
he hadn't been in PAD since January fifth.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, he's the closest thing to LT.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
I got you, and I know you said that Monday.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I think LT. They couldn't get hurt. There was something
about lt that he wasn't going to get hurt.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
He got hurt.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
He got hurt in that's right, Yeah, he got right.
So I think that's the concern of the Cowboys, least
those trainers and conditioning guys, that they don't want to
send him out there and then they come back to
him because he wasn't prepared physically to play a football game.
So we'll see where that one goes. But at least
he was out there working and working hard too.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
By the way, I think my worry literally is in
the scheme. You know, I'm sure he's participated in walk through.
I mean, for a player of his caliber, at least
he tuned in well some way in the classroom. He
has to be tuned in to what ebra Flus is doing,
a whole nother defensive coordinator of the terminology, all the
different things that he has to be abreasted too before
(23:21):
he gets on the field, So knowing his placement, where
he needs to be, all of that and the function
of the defense. So that's what my worry is. I mean, physically,
he's there, but does he understand what ibra fluss And
I'm assuming when I said that about the walkthrough, so
and you know what you do when you assume. So
I'm just saying, you know, I just feel like a
guy of his caliber in order to hit the ground running,
(23:43):
especially in a new defense. And I guess even with
Dan Quinn and even Zimmer, it was one of those things,
you know, Seaball hit ball, will put you out here,
will put you in the middle, will do certain things
like that. And I don't think that'll change with Ebra Flush.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
And I think that's what I was just going to say,
that what he's.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Been doing may not changed with Elus because you're still
setting the edge. You know, there's only so much you
can do with the guy on the outside. Blitzer is
still going to be a saying the terminology as you
talked about, that's probably the only challenge that he's going
to have at this.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Point, well I think at this point. So he's not
going to practice tonight, right, so there's no more no
practices for him probably the rest of the week, so
we get to next week. I can imagine if he
signs at some point they can send him out there
for ten snaps and say rush the quarterback. But as
(24:36):
for playing the entire defense, I think he's going to
go out there and play his average of forty five
snaps a game that ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 6 (24:45):
You don't you think he's ready to do that?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think, Mickey, if you want to beat the Philadelphia
Eagles on September the fourth, do you want to win
the game? You know? Well, I'm going to tell you, okay,
And so what I what I feel is when you
have your best defensive weapon upfront and you're gonna have
to present pressure on Jalen Hurts And it's not that
Sam Williams, we don't you know. We feel like he's
gonna be active and he's gonna present pressure. But this
(25:10):
is a guy coming off from ACL. You have a
rookie that you still don't know exactly what he's gonna
look like with real NFL reps. So that's that's my
only thing about this game is getting him ready to
participate in more than just ten snaps too.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Has anybody told you that you just did no what
you just said?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
No? No, No, nobody saw nobody said that guy just
made it up.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, I think in your book you probably got a
lot of stuff that you probably can't even tell the
people out here, you know what I'm saying. So if
you just secretly giving me some information, thank you.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
But ten reps, so you're welcome, thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So you gotta give me more than ten reps.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm sorry. I'm with you on that one. Heck you
think only ten snaps.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Well, he'd been ready to play the Giants next.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Week if you got an extra three or four.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Days to rest, Yeah, I would, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Only because I'm you say ten snaps, that's very minimal.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I mean, I mean, I'm saying he's going to be
a designated passage.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
As you go.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
That sounds better, right, That sounds a lot better, because
to me, you're just going to be limit this guy
to ten snaps. He's not going to make any impact
in ten snaps. What would you be looking forward to.
I'm not going in there with that measurement.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I'm going to but I don't see them. You guys
were talking about having to know what the scheme is.
What you gotta do. Number one, you got to know
when to line up, where to line up right, And
the other thing is you're not if you're looping and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Excuse me?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Is he going to know what hole he's supposed to
loop in without any practices.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think he would, Okay, I think he would. A
tea stunt is a teaser.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Well, and you know, maybe you're right because a lot
of times you know he's an end the contractor out
there anyway, just honking sack, all.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Right, all right, We've got more to get to.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
We got another break to get to first and mix
shots continues just a moment.
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Speaker 2 (29:44):
Mister Wallas km we put Boo in front of the
Eagles so you can say Eagles and then read the
rest of that. All right, That's another good thing in
the documentary when they get to the I won't ruin it.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
He just can't read. Had stuff to do last night.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I can't believe Binge watched that. Stayed up all night.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
This is a this is a this is a new level.
He's raised level of this podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
How many times do you think you'll watch the Netflix series?
Oh gosh, you've already watched it once, right all the
way through.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm gonna definitely watch it again. I watch it with
my son. I gotta watch it with my son, and
I gotta watch it with my wife, so.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And then and then six months from now, watch it again.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
One of those I get bored, I'll.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Watched it again.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
So before we get back to the practice, here's another
part that they left out of the first episode. Jerry
Jones was told or advised to let bum Bright fire
Tom Landern, and he felt like it it was his
obligation to do it. The other part of it was
(30:56):
that Tex Shram told Tom not to leave town, and
he's stubbornly to Austin go play golf, and it made
it a little bit more difficult and dramatic.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
See, that would have been good if they would have
been able to work that in where Jerry is in
Austin trying to find Tom Hey to.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Let him know.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Oh really, that's what I was like, talk to the
country clubs, talk to the golf.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Which this man because I was working in San Antonio
that Saturday, and oh man. Of course that was pre
internet or everything, and so we're making phone calls where
you know, words leaked out that he's gone down to
Austin to tell Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And anyway, I'm not going to say anything else.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I'm that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
The next mix shots is on Monday.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
You guys have how many days of time off to
watch this four times?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Just ahead it?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Please come on, man, it's greatness.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
The other part that they didn't I think if you
watched accurately, but they didn't really portray it is that
if you're looking at the stage and we were sitting
in the team meeting room, to the right was the
entire Jones family.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You're talking about on the Saturday night press conference.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Yes, and they were all to the right and they're celebrating.
To the left was tech shramp. He didn't have a chair,
and it was very indicative that he wasn't going to
have a chair anymore. And if you looked at his face,
it looked like he had just lost his first boy, remember,
And it was the juxtapote juxtapositions of seeing this and
(32:55):
seeing that. Right, it was February twenty fifth, and we
finished writing our stories and we ended up in Texas office,
a bunch of the reporters and everything. There weren't enough chairs.
We were sitting on the floor or whatever and just
listening to him to kind of bemoan the whole thing,
and he knew that was it, right, This wasn't going
(33:18):
to work, that he was going to have this and
Jerry was going to have that. And so there was
this elation and then this dejection over there for somebody
that had done the job for twenty nine years, and
it was it was something to see because you know,
it's like, okay, good, and then over here it's like, well,
(33:41):
this guy did this whole thing and now he's out,
you know. And so they tried hard to get that
thing sold to other people and it just didn't work out.
And it ended up that Jerry, you know, ended up
making the best bid or listening to what bum wrong
on it as they did the coin flip for the
(34:03):
three hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I'm not going to ruin any more of it. I'm
done for that part.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Well, that's good that point that was almost over.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
As a matter of fact, if.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
You've already done like three, me so good.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
As a matter of fact. Sitting next to me on
the floor was Frank Luxe, who had covered the cowboys
for the Fort Worth Paper, then the Times Herald since
inception right, and finally it was about eleven thirty twelve
at night he gets up but he goes, well, I
think I got a half hour left for my birthday.
I think my wife was birth baking me a birthday cake.
(34:40):
I'm going home. It was his birthday, unbelieved.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
And he was one of the harshest critics.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Yes, yes, because at one point I remember that first year,
so that was my first year to cover the team
on my own. And Frank goes, if I write one
more bad thing about him being his will because Jerry
would see him. High Frank, how you doing?
Speaker 9 (35:04):
It was just the more he got criticized, Hi, Frank,
how you doing?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
So he didn't cuss Frank out on the phone like
he did.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
No, No, And I was like, I was trying to
tell him, I know it's wrong, but he wouldn't listen.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Mickey brings that out of people. Man. Yeah, early charm, early.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Girl girl virchel walker trade. Matter of fact, that trade
came down very close to when the NFL meetings were
here in Dallas. They were at the airport Marriott Marriott
right inside the I remember that, and everybody was sitting
(35:45):
there waiting for Jimmy to leave, right and he went
out the back door. There was a car waiting from
where the stairs were, and we knew he knew how
to get out of there. So about two or three
of us we zoomed the Valley Ranch because we're going
to meet him there, right, And Jimmy knew that you
(36:06):
don't lie, you know, you may not tell the truth,
but don't lie. And so we caught him at Valley
Ranch where the racquetball courts were, and he goes, look,
he goes, nothing's happening today or tomorrow. Just stay tuned.
And so he kind of tipped us off that at
(36:26):
some point this is happening. But he wasn't going to no, no,
we're not talking, you know, and Jerry hadn't figured that
out at the beginning. I mean, he never had to answer.
He's an oil and gas guy. He's not getting interviewed,
you know. He didn't people are.
Speaker 10 (36:45):
Right, I didn't whether we think of when we think
of all, this is my sixth day on the show, but.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I'm going alone.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
And you have to realize that when you're not used
to being recorded, you know, or people writing down what
you say very accurate, Yeah, because it'll come back to
you know, kind of bite you and so h but
Jimmy knew that, and he was he was good. He
was good about that. And uh, you know the same
thing with the Troy Aikman. They were acting like, well,
(37:22):
I don't know, he wants too much money and uh,
and they were playing right. And so after they did
said they were going to take him, we were in
his office because every Monday, I think we got to
go in his office and talk to him, just the
three Beat writers. And Edward gave him a deck of
cards and Jimmy goes, what's that for? He goes, yeah,
(37:44):
you're a really good poker face player.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
He kept those cards on his desk until he left.
Really he was proud of it.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
So anyway, those are some things that they probably didn't
capture in that.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I have a feeling that next uh Mixed Shots episodes
that we have, we're gonna go overtime talking about this.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Over time on this one. Well yeah, but when we started,
all right, So we're wrapping up mix Shots right now.
So on Friday night, you're most looking forward to watching.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Whom I'm gonna go Phil MafA, Okay, I'm gonna go
back up, run back.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
I'm hoping Jayden Blue gets some snaps and then oh,
the other thing I wanted to point out so with
Mingo Jonathan Mingo, Jonathan Mingo, and this is kind of
where we left off the last show, you explaining the
two I R things. He may be one of those,
(38:45):
because I think it's gonna it's it's been reported four
to six. It may be a little longer than that.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And you atone for Bill, he's not going to be
gone for the whole season. Is just gonna be four.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Game right, and ever since you're not gonna So oh okay, Childress,
yes forty eight.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You know, I want to see if he continues his
elevation and to see if he's one of those guys
that can show me that he's ready to play.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
So our Nicole Hutchinson was doing an interview with him,
and I walked over there and when she was done,
I was like, so, hey, did you played slot in
the nickel before? And he goes, yeah, my last year
at Kentucky. He goes, they had me playing free safety
and he said, I went to coach stoops right, he
(39:34):
stoops and he said, Coach, I want to be closer
to the ball. And so they had him go into
the slot on the nickel. And so he's got some
experience that. I don't know how much Keemen Hall has,
but last night when they put the first nickel out there,
Hall was in the slot and then Childers came in sore.
You go keep an eye on this those two guys.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, And so we will reconvene next week. I can't
remember exactly when. Monday, Monday, we're battling traffic againes nine
o'clock on Monday.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
That will be the last time you have to bowl
traffic all year.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Lunch that. Hey, I'm gonna send you my thesis on
Sunday night, all right, so enjoy the game, kents.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I saw that and I started laughing.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And we will see you again on Monday.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Heck bro.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is Mick shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
heckma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Okay, I promise I'm not going to say anything about
the traffic out there. We get started here twelve minutes
late on mix shots, and we will have Mickey Spagnola
in just a moment and he will be fined right
every So what a camera is that? How much would
parcels find you for being twelve minutes late?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
For a minute? Oh my goodness. First of all, I
have to get past Belichick.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Okay, how much of Belichick?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I love to get back?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
He walked here.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
That's where he's late, because he walked he walked back back. Wow,
we've been on the air for twelve minutes here and
finally shows up for his own show. All right, you
got Bill Jones, you got Everson Walls, you got Heck
Maharrison and putting his headset on now is Mickey Spagnola.
And off the top, Mickey, I said, I'm not going
(01:23):
to say anything about the traffic out there, but I
will say this. I sure as heck am happy. I
haven't had to get to work at eight or nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Throughout my car, I can hear them your voice, Bill,
You know people you're cussom you can feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You know it's a little resident.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Come home. His fingers may be a little sore.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
You're working them out. Yeah, working one out.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, we're number one always.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
All right, here we go. We had a practice last night.
We got another practice tonight. We got a Netflix series
going on. There's so much to talk about because this
is America's team.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I think we got about two hours worth of material
to go overs. Mick, But you were there last night.
Tell us about the practice.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Did they practice last I got to collect my thoughts here.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Okay, all right, I'll tell you what, man.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I am so glad that we have a fourth partner
here who really takes his job.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
See, you got the group Texas morning.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I got the thick. This is good stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It is he to get a rundown on what we're
talking about.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
He made no joke.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How long? How long is this show?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
We're having those two hours two hours, two hours.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Heck, you go on a three three hour, a three
mile jog, Yes, starting at like four thirty in the morning,
four o'clock in the morning, four o'clock in the morning,
and the man and.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Then I have these thoughts.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
See, you have your thought you have your great thoughts
on your on your three miles.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
John, Yes, I have thoughts. He got thoughts.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You know where my great my great thoughts come in
the shower.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You're a shower guy, right, hey, I understanding you never
know where to look. The motivation could come from different places.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I can't tell you how many times I get I'm
in the shower and I have the greatest thoughts in
the world. I haven't had a shower today, and so
I have no great thoughts today.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I feel like is my personal assistant because of the
things that he just laid out of gush, he laid this.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm the new I'm the new guy. I understand that
I'm gonna go through a little bit of a hazing
right now. Okay. All I was trying to do is
just simply lay out.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
You've been you've you've been.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
That ain't me, and I'll take it. I'll take it
because this is worth it.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It is it is.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So here are the bullet points of things we're gonna
talk about it Flick Series, America's teams about as Cowboys
practice at the Star and frist Go preseason concerns, bigger picture,
Cowboys talk fun fan segment coming up to.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Chris, Chris, go, take take a break, man. We got
heck here.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now let me show you this. Okay, okay, all right,
it's a green bubble. Yeah, okay, somebody has I.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Tried to send a picture. I responded and it did
not get sent. Why didn't it get because one of
us here is an android guy. Oh my god, because
one of us here, Mickey is an android guy. I
couldnt send you a video and a picture that I
was trying to send on this group Texas Morning, which
is from the Netflix series in my old college roommate
(04:56):
apparently as Apparently as Troy as Troy Aikman is walking
into the locker room. There's you can see in the
background me holding up a wall. So I was trying
to send that video to you. But my point is
I love the group text techma, but we got.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To get rid of gathering.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Why didn't you help me the picture.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I will you don't want.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
In college, I had a roommate, had a pum.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
I can send you a picture, well your iPads, I pads.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I think it's the group text issue, so I have
to send it separately to the android over here.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well that's that's Mickey. I'm different. I want to say, Mickey,
I thought that the way that I put that together
was an aliu for you to go into that segment
and go ahead and tell us about when you covered
the Cowboys back in the Earth see me in it?
I did? I did?
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I miss you?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
How can I miss Saturday Night? What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
You see my bylines?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
All right?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I ask?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I have had just had time to watch the first
half of the first one, okay right now, because I'm
preparing for a preseason game. You know, there's other stuff
going on. I want to I wanted to sit there
in front of it and just consume it. Okay, So
this morning before I got stuck in traffic, after after
your text and it's about the Netflix, Okay, I'm gonna
(06:29):
watch a little bit of it anyway.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Okay, Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And the Saturday Night massacre. There's Mickey with his big mustache,
waiting for Jerry to enter the room. And so that's
the first I've seen a Mickey on the show.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
And then there's another one a little guy later for
the massacre.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It is good stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And by the way, I think, I don't think the
team should spend a team time watching it, but I
think it would be It would serve the players on
this team well if sometime in the next week they
consume the Netflix series and understand what the nineties Cowboys
(07:07):
were all about, or.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
If they had gotten here thirty seven years earlier and
felt the wrath of Jimmy Johnson which.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
He got mine too. They got mine too.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
They had the whole video of the asthma field.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh it was great. I thought. My thinking on this
is even if you're not a Cowboy fan, this is
this is worth the watch. Netflix outdid themselves on that.
I binge watched it. You're only one episode in. I
don't want to ruin it for you, but I just
we know the end. I don't want to. I don't
(07:52):
know there's there's more to it than just obviously the
last Super Bowl win and all of that. I just look,
if you if you watched the last dance, I've been
asking if you watched the Last Dance with Michael Jordan,
and like, it's so much from that Bulls era that
you were able to key in on and like just
really get into the moment. That was what I was
so excited about watching this and living through that time
(08:13):
and then seeing it just how pivotal those decisions were,
all the way from the herschel Walker deal, all the
way to Michael Irvan sitting in the courtroom. I just man,
it was riveting. It was it was great content. But
Mickey was there in the flesh, sitting right there. He
was there.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I didn't get here till nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I was in the courtroom too, in the courtroom. Come on, man,
come on, Mick, impart your wisdom. Don't just sit.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
I saw one full episode. I fell asleep in the
second one, and I kept going back and I go, okay,
this is not working. As I was missing you're still.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Watching that show NOE and was watching you see.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
And I spent part of the day yesterday with Michael Irvin.
We were in tail try yeah and name at A.
He's really good in front of four hundred people, let
me tell you, he was great.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I started to think that. And I told Bill on
the phone that you know, sometimes revisionist history not real
accurate because they're relying on all those people to remember
thirty seven years ago. And I saw some things and
I'm going, I don't know about that. You know, things
like that. So but from a visual standpoint and information
(09:34):
for people that were born in two thousand, yeah, I
thought it.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Or even for people that were born in nineteen eighty
seven or nineteen ninety and they were too young to
really live that. Like my daughters, they're gonna love this.
They're gonna have a new appreciation for it.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
It's like it's like I lived through the Vietnam War,
but I didn't take notes, right, which I wish I had.
I lived through Whitegate, I mean gate, but I didn't
take notes. You weren't like that was I was worried
about the White Sox. I wouldn't worry about.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Them through the White House. Wait a minute, I saw that.
So you wasn't in that. That wasn't.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So there's a White House episode.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Yeah, quiet, God's just this, No not, He's about the
bust out of his dog.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I want to tell you, I want to run because look,
I'm one of those people just go ahead and ruin
the movie for me. Tell me, I was happy.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I was very happy that they did have the footage
of Michael Irvan when he got drafted and the party, and.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh man, I love that that I was working in
San Antonio at the time and that I fell in love.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
With Michael irv and on his draft day.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, we were getting that video from Miami and oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Man, great great family, the family twenty seventh Florida.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
When I uh seventeen, his line about being poor was
the best. They couldn't afford the r Yeah. And I
was there when he hugged the cutout of Tom Landry.
I was coming down the hallway and I saw him.
(11:26):
I go, this guy's going to be something. But the
first time I met Mike was after the Orange Bowl
the eighty seventh season, when they won the national championship
beat Oklahoma, and we're in the lock I'm covering the game. Yeah,
and uh, I'm covering the game and he couldn't cover
(11:48):
Mike by the way, and he's sitting on one of
those equipment carts that roll away and he's holding court
in the locker. Room, and all of a sudden, he goes.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
You know all those guys on Oklahoma they're talking about
going to play in the NFL, Well, they couldn't cover
me today, and when they get there, they're not going
to cover me then either.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
And he's just screaming right, and I'm going, oh, this guy,
and then the Cowboys draft him.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, and then the Cowboys hired the Oklahoma coach and
that's when the trash can went through.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Lock. I got a question, though, Mick. During that time.
What I felt, what like was very like interesting was
the herschel Walker trade and how they parlayed all of
that into those five picks, and like, did Jerry Like
the way they make it sound is like Jerry completely
fooled the general manager from the Vikings into that.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Mike McCoy was the brainchild behind that deal. He was
kind of Jerry's right hand man in the oil business,
and he was a brilliant mathematician. He understood a lot
of things. He was a trying value trade value chart too,
by the way, and he kind of he and Jimmy,
(13:05):
I think, came up with that idea and then Jimmy
signed off. It's like Minnesota thought they wanted to get
good right now, and we're going to give them these
five players that were kind of useless players to them.
And then they said no, we're going to tie those
players to the draft choices. But that didn't come out immediately.
(13:26):
It took about four or five days before that to unfold,
because the day after the draft, I think it was
Friday night, Channel twenty one thirty three, they did a
live thing with all the beat writers and we just
panned the trade. It's like, you got nothing and the
(13:48):
only thing you had you traded herschel Walker for a
bag of hay and we didn't know, we didn't know
that it was tied to the draft choice. You got
all They they just said, here are the players. So
what happened was what happened was, you know, we we
(14:08):
did the show that night, so all of us panned
it right. Well, I want to say, someone on radio
the next day started a rumor that also part of
the trade is the Cowboys are sending Steve Walsh to Minnesota,
which was wrong, right, totally wrong. I found out it
(14:29):
was wrong. And the next morning sports editor calls and says,
we need comments from Jerry about this trade with Steve Walsh,
and I said, I already know it's wrong, and they go, yeah,
but we need him to comment on a wrong story, right,
(14:53):
And so I get his phone number and I call him.
I don't think I had been ever cuss out.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
That bad in my entire life, because he watched the
show the night before, right, Oh, he let me have it,
and uh, we got to the end and I said,
so do you want to come.
Speaker 10 (15:12):
In true report?
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I wanted to give him.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hanging this bad and took all that.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
And I think all I think I heard, all right,
we got to go to a break.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
But before we go to a break, Everson, what do
you as a player or what was your reaction when
on the Herschel Walker trading.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Actually I thought it was a good trade, I really did.
It wasn't. I wasn't a Heschelwalker fan. Necessarily.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I thought that we were becoming, you know, just a
one dimensional team because he was really all we had offensively,
and uh, at that point it just looked like a
showcase for him. It didn't look like a showcase for winning.
We want winning, and so to me, I thought it
was I knew it was going to be a rubbing
and we were starting all over them.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
And to add to that, Jimmy would say later really
not on the record, that you know herschel fine running back.
He's not my kind of running back. He's a straight
line runner. And for him to succeed, he's got to
run over people. He's not going to make people miss.
And Jimmy just didn't think that they could win with
(16:24):
him as the running.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well, I think they probably could have with that offensive
line that they eventually got.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Eventually the eventually got.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, but that probably came through the fact that they
got rid of.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Him, right, because I think the running back helped the
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
All Right, we're just getting started on an abbreviated edition
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Speaker 5 (19:15):
We got one of those days already out of the way, guys.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's okay. It's still pertinent here.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It is ok And tonight's is televised as a matter
of fact, that's right, X say twenty one from six
to eight o'clock. And it was good practice last night,
Well attended practice last night.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, there was probably I don't even think five thousand people,
nothing like that. Yeah, it's a lot, yeah for a practice.
And people were flowing in by the way too.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, we'll be I'll be flowing in with my people.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
There you go tonight, you're going.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, you better get.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
There early if you want good I heard, I heard,
I heard. Unless you want to come sit with us,
I might do that. We'll have him as a game.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We're in the broadcast booth. Oh, you can't come up
and do a segment.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Did I get paid?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Nope? There it goes that we're doing it.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I know.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
All right.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So what about last which is off the top?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He did?
Speaker 6 (20:24):
Yeah, so Jayden Blue?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Was that the headline story?
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I would say that he was back in uniform taking
snaps and that was a good sight to see.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
There were still a dozen thirteen guys not participating for
whatever reasons. They had, most of them injury rehab. One
holding in. He's got an injury issue. Yeah, he needs
a dollar sign for his back brace. Mike okay, and
(20:58):
holding in, holding the whole.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
That's okay.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
He's not out, he's here. He's just not doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
All of them.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Jerry mclaurin's hold in.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
So somebody told me there was a report out there
that he was fed up with the negotiations.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Oh, they've been saying that.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
Well, he was so fed up that like about an
hour and a half two hours before the practice, he
was out there with Harold Nash doing his conditioning work.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, that's good, because something's not adding up with the stories.
Why don't we versus the participation. So what we are.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Seeing at practice, which is him just standing to the side,
isn't all of what he is doing as far as
getting ready for the season.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah, that's right, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
He's been So there's a possibility then that he is
doing other stuff out of sight getting ready for the
season that we aren't aware of because we don't have
cameras rolling on him.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
He was doing that at training camp too. He was
doing it with Kendall Smith and then Harold Ash, the
strength and conditioning coaches were working him out, and it
looked like they were working him out to bending over
and holding his knees too.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. By the way, that means I'm winded the universal side.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, no, so least he's doing that. But again, remember
he hadn't been in PAD since January fifth.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, he's the closest thing to LT.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
I got you, and I know you said that Monday.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
It's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I think LT. They couldn't get hurt. There was something
about lt that he wasn't going to get hurt.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
He got hurt.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
He got hurt in that's right, Yeah, he got right.
So I think that's the concern of the Cowboys, least
those trainers and conditioning guys, that they don't want to
send him out there and then they come back to
him because he wasn't prepared physically to play a football game.
So we'll see where that one goes. But at least
he was out there working and working hard too.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
By the way, I think my worry literally is in
the scheme. You know, I'm sure he's participated in walk through.
I mean, for a player of his caliber, at least
he tuned in well some way in the classroom. He
has to be tuned in to what ebra Flus is doing,
a whole nother defensive coordinator of the terminology, all the
different things that he has to be abreasted too before
(23:21):
he gets on the field, So knowing his placement, where
he needs to be, all of that and the function
of the defense. So that's what my worry is. I mean, physically,
he's there, but does he understand what ibra fluss And
I'm assuming when I said that about the walkthrough, so
and you know what you do when you assume. So
I'm just saying, you know, I just feel like a
guy of his caliber in order to hit the ground running,
(23:43):
especially in a new defense. And I guess even with
Dan Quinn and even Zimmer, it was one of those things,
you know, Seaball hit ball, will put you out here,
will put you in the middle, will do certain things
like that. And I don't think that'll change with Ebra Flush.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
And I think that's what I was just going to say,
that what he's.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Been doing may not changed with Elus because you're still
setting the edge. You know, there's only so much you
can do with the guy on the outside. Blitzer is
still going to be a saying the terminology as you
talked about, that's probably the only challenge that he's going
to have at this.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Point, well I think at this point. So he's not
going to practice tonight, right, so there's no more no
practices for him probably the rest of the week, so
we get to next week. I can imagine if he
signs at some point they can send him out there
for ten snaps and say rush the quarterback. But as
(24:36):
for playing the entire defense, I think he's going to
go out there and play his average of forty five
snaps a game that ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 6 (24:45):
You don't you think he's ready to do that?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think, Mickey, if you want to beat the Philadelphia
Eagles on September the fourth, do you want to win
the game? You know? Well, I'm going to tell you, okay,
And so what I what I feel is when you
have your best defensive weapon upfront and you're gonna have
to present pressure on Jalen Hurts And it's not that
Sam Williams, we don't you know. We feel like he's
gonna be active and he's gonna present pressure. But this
(25:10):
is a guy coming off from ACL. You have a
rookie that you still don't know exactly what he's gonna
look like with real NFL reps. So that's that's my
only thing about this game is getting him ready to
participate in more than just ten snaps too.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Has anybody told you that you just did no what
you just said?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
No? No, No, nobody saw nobody said that guy just
made it up.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
No.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
No, I think in your book you probably got a
lot of stuff that you probably can't even tell the
people out here, you know what I'm saying. So if
you just secretly giving me some information, thank you.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
But ten reps, so you're welcome, thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So you gotta give me more than ten reps.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm sorry. I'm with you on that one. Heck you
think only ten snaps.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Well, he'd been ready to play the Giants next.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Week if you got an extra three or four.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Days to rest, Yeah, I would, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Only because I'm you say ten snaps, that's very minimal.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I mean, I mean, I'm saying he's going to be
a designated passage.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
As you go.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
That sounds better, right, That sounds a lot better, because
to me, you're just going to be limit this guy
to ten snaps. He's not going to make any impact
in ten snaps. What would you be looking forward to.
I'm not going in there with that measurement.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I'm going to but I don't see them. You guys
were talking about having to know what the scheme is.
What you gotta do. Number one, you got to know
when to line up, where to line up right, And
the other thing is you're not if you're looping and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Excuse me?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Is he going to know what hole he's supposed to
loop in without any practices.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think he would, Okay, I think he would. A
tea stunt is a teaser.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Well, and you know, maybe you're right because a lot
of times you know he's an end the contractor out
there anyway, just honking sack, all.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Right, all right, We've got more to get to.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
We got another break to get to first and mix
shots continues just a moment.
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Mister Wallas km we put Boo in front of the
Eagles so you can say Eagles and then read the
rest of that. All right, That's another good thing in
the documentary when they get to the I won't ruin it.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
He just can't read. Had stuff to do last night.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I can't believe Binge watched that. Stayed up all night.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
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Speaker 3 (30:13):
How many times do you think you'll watch the Netflix series?
Oh gosh, you've already watched it once, right all the
way through.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm gonna definitely watch it again. I watch it with
my son. I gotta watch it with my son, and
I gotta watch it with my wife, so.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And then and then six months from now, watch it again.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
One of those I get bored, I'll.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Watched it again.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
So before we get back to the practice, here's another
part that they left out of the first episode. Jerry
Jones was told or advised to let bum Bright fire
Tom Landern, and he felt like it it was his
obligation to do it. The other part of it was
(30:56):
that Tex Shram told Tom not to leave town, and
he's stubbornly to Austin go play golf, and it made
it a little bit more difficult and dramatic.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
See, that would have been good if they would have
been able to work that in where Jerry is in
Austin trying to find Tom Hey to.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Let him know.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Oh really, that's what I was like, talk to the
country clubs, talk to the golf.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Which this man because I was working in San Antonio
that Saturday, and oh man. Of course that was pre
internet or everything, and so we're making phone calls where
you know, words leaked out that he's gone down to
Austin to tell Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And anyway, I'm not going to say anything else.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I'm that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
The next mix shots is on Monday.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
You guys have how many days of time off to
watch this four times?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Just ahead it?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Please come on, man, it's greatness.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
The other part that they didn't I think if you
watched accurately, but they didn't really portray it is that
if you're looking at the stage and we were sitting
in the team meeting room, to the right was the
entire Jones family.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You're talking about on the Saturday night press conference.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Yes, and they were all to the right and they're celebrating.
To the left was tech shramp. He didn't have a chair,
and it was very indicative that he wasn't going to
have a chair anymore. And if you looked at his face,
it looked like he had just lost his first boy, remember,
And it was the juxtapote juxtapositions of seeing this and
(32:55):
seeing that. Right, it was February twenty fifth, and we
finished writing our stories and we ended up in Texas office,
a bunch of the reporters and everything. There weren't enough chairs.
We were sitting on the floor or whatever and just
listening to him to kind of bemoan the whole thing,
and he knew that was it, right, This wasn't going
(33:18):
to work, that he was going to have this and
Jerry was going to have that. And so there was
this elation and then this dejection over there for somebody
that had done the job for twenty nine years, and
it was it was something to see because you know,
it's like, okay, good, and then over here it's like, well,
(33:41):
this guy did this whole thing and now he's out,
you know. And so they tried hard to get that
thing sold to other people and it just didn't work out.
And it ended up that Jerry, you know, ended up
making the best bid or listening to what bum wrong
on it as they did the coin flip for the
(34:03):
three hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I'm not going to ruin any more of it. I'm
done for that part.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Well, that's good that point that was almost over.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
As a matter of fact, if.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
You've already done like three, me so good.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
As a matter of fact. Sitting next to me on
the floor was Frank Luxe, who had covered the cowboys
for the Fort Worth Paper, then the Times Herald since
inception right, and finally it was about eleven thirty twelve
at night he gets up but he goes, well, I
think I got a half hour left for my birthday.
I think my wife was birth baking me a birthday cake.
(34:40):
I'm going home. It was his birthday, unbelieved.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
And he was one of the harshest critics.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Yes, yes, because at one point I remember that first year,
so that was my first year to cover the team
on my own. And Frank goes, if I write one
more bad thing about him being his will because Jerry
would see him. High Frank, how you doing?
Speaker 9 (35:04):
It was just the more he got criticized, Hi, Frank,
how you doing?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
So he didn't cuss Frank out on the phone like
he did.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
No, No, And I was like, I was trying to
tell him, I know it's wrong, but he wouldn't listen.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Mickey brings that out of people. Man. Yeah, early charm, early.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Girl girl virchel walker trade. Matter of fact, that trade
came down very close to when the NFL meetings were
here in Dallas. They were at the airport Marriott Marriott
right inside the I remember that, and everybody was sitting
(35:45):
there waiting for Jimmy to leave, right and he went
out the back door. There was a car waiting from
where the stairs were, and we knew he knew how
to get out of there. So about two or three
of us we zoomed the Valley Ranch because we're going
to meet him there, right, And Jimmy knew that you
(36:06):
don't lie, you know, you may not tell the truth,
but don't lie. And so we caught him at Valley
Ranch where the racquetball courts were, and he goes, look,
he goes, nothing's happening today or tomorrow. Just stay tuned.
And so he kind of tipped us off that at
(36:26):
some point this is happening. But he wasn't going to no, no,
we're not talking, you know, and Jerry hadn't figured that
out at the beginning. I mean, he never had to answer.
He's an oil and gas guy. He's not getting interviewed,
you know. He didn't people are.
Speaker 10 (36:45):
Right, I didn't whether we think of when we think
of all, this is my sixth day on the show, but.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
I'm going alone.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
And you have to realize that when you're not used
to being recorded, you know, or people writing down what
you say very accurate, Yeah, because it'll come back to
you know, kind of bite you and so h but
Jimmy knew that, and he was he was good. He
was good about that. And uh, you know the same
thing with the Troy Aikman. They were acting like, well,
(37:22):
I don't know, he wants too much money and uh,
and they were playing right. And so after they did
said they were going to take him, we were in
his office because every Monday, I think we got to
go in his office and talk to him, just the
three Beat writers. And Edward gave him a deck of
cards and Jimmy goes, what's that for? He goes, yeah,
(37:44):
you're a really good poker face player.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
He kept those cards on his desk until he left.
Really he was proud of it.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
So anyway, those are some things that they probably didn't
capture in that.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I have a feeling that next uh Mixed Shots episodes
that we have, we're gonna go overtime talking about this.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Over time on this one. Well yeah, but when we started,
all right, So we're wrapping up mix Shots right now.
So on Friday night, you're most looking forward to watching.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Whom I'm gonna go Phil MafA, Okay, I'm gonna go
back up, run back.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
I'm hoping Jayden Blue gets some snaps and then oh,
the other thing I wanted to point out so with
Mingo Jonathan Mingo, Jonathan Mingo, and this is kind of
where we left off the last show, you explaining the
two I R things. He may be one of those,
(38:45):
because I think it's gonna it's it's been reported four
to six. It may be a little longer than that.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And you atone for Bill, he's not going to be
gone for the whole season. Is just gonna be four.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Game right, and ever since you're not gonna So oh okay, Childress,
yes forty eight.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You know, I want to see if he continues his
elevation and to see if he's one of those guys
that can show me that he's ready to play.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
So our Nicole Hutchinson was doing an interview with him,
and I walked over there and when she was done,
I was like, so, hey, did you played slot in
the nickel before? And he goes, yeah, my last year
at Kentucky. He goes, they had me playing free safety
and he said, I went to coach stoops right, he
(39:34):
stoops and he said, Coach, I want to be closer
to the ball. And so they had him go into
the slot on the nickel. And so he's got some
experience that. I don't know how much Keemen Hall has,
but last night when they put the first nickel out there,
Hall was in the slot and then Childers came in sore.
You go keep an eye on this those two guys.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, And so we will reconvene next week. I can't
remember exactly when. Monday, Monday, we're battling traffic againes nine
o'clock on Monday.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
That will be the last time you have to bowl
traffic all year.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Lunch that. Hey, I'm gonna send you my thesis on
Sunday night, all right, so enjoy the game, kents.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I saw that and I started laughing.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And we will see you again on Monday.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Heck bro.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That's why it's been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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