October 14, 2025 • 49 mins
With Everson back, still trying to make sense of that loss to the Panthers, finally getting his take. Update on owner Jerry Jones talking to the media after an East-West Shrine Bowl event at The Star, featuring his take on the loss to the Panthers, what might happen at the trade deadline and on reinforcements on the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is nick shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Hecma, Harrison,
Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's a fabulous Tuesday here inside the SWBC podcast studio.
Hecma says, welcome on in. It's Washington Week and Jerry
Jones got a late birthday present on Monday night as
the Washington Commanders lost and the Cowboys are right back
up there.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I was about to say, hey Sunday, you.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Didn't get it Sunday. It was late on Monday, and
we have a present today because it's the return of
Everson Walls. Here on mix show.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was the fight song, no fight song, no no fight,
no fight.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
There wasn't enough fight.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Only fight song I'm listening to is the Eyes of Texas.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Wow. That was ugly too.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
That was ugly. Did you have to pay beautiful for
a Texas fan?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Any bets had to be paid you? I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You don't do that, No, you don't.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I don't have that kind of confidence, in fact, in fact, okay,
my daughter, oh you for quite. So it's been twenty
five years since they did anything. Okay, it's twenty five
years ago. Is when the last won national championship. In
my opinion, that's when you've done something when you win
a national chair. So several years ago, my daughters, two
of them went to you to school. They gave me
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one of those little metal OEU emblems to put on
your back of my truck. Whatever. It's still sitting there.
I'm not you want to it's sitting. It's sitting in
my closet. And I just made the decision. I said, okay,
if they if they, if they beat Texas, I'll go
ahead and put it on. And so it's gonna it's
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gonna sit. It's gonna sit on my dresser for another year. Okay,
that's the standard fans.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
No, No, the others are obnoxious, more others than me.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
The others are not named Bill Jones.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
He doesn't want to summit. I can critique quarterback play,
and that was not a good quarterback that was on
the other side. If you want to win that game,
you play like arch Manning did not like the other
guy did, okay, now we move on.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Now we move on.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay, So, uh, Mickey is man, he is serious over there.
He just got down from upstairs where Jerry Jones was
holding court. They got a what was it an East
Wesh Shrine game press conference going on up there?
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah, it was, And they had a presentation with a
young man I think he was from Shreveport that had
two operations bone operation replacements. And they also inducted Darryl
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Johnson into the Shriners Hall. Oh really, he played in
the game, he said, coming out. Yep, that year, met
Tony Tolbert and Mark Stepanovsky at the game.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Okay, they came to the game.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, no, no, at the Shrine game.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
They all were in San Francisco for the Shrine Game.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So I don't know if that meant.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
The Shrining Game is now played here. It was played
here last year. That's when we discovered Bill Crossky Merrit.
There'll be more on him writing up in a moment here.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Even if I couldn't pronounce his name then talent.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Six months ago it was Jacory Crosskey Merrit, and now
it's Bill Crossky Merrit. And he will fumble at times
and he has T shirts that tried it. It wasn't
a commander T shirt. I'd get one.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
But so anyway, that was I didn't know what was
going on, and then I walked out into TV and
it's like, oh, this is going on now. I don't
think everybody got to.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Jerry hold Court afterwards and anything any news from Jerry
that we didn't know about.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Ask your question and I'll see if he answered it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I just asked.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Specific, right, I got three pages of stuff right here.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Okay, trade deadline? He say anything about the trade deadline?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
He did, and he goes, he goes, uh. He said
this on the radio. He said, I got our eyes
open for ways to help this defense with resources. He
also said we do have some serious help on the way.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
To the offense or defense both. Okay, think about it.
You get lamb out that overshow windows and open up
pretty soon, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Well he keeps saying, wait to maybe after the bye.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Okay, So, which is after the trade deadline? That's the
that's the week of the trade dead right, right, And
since we mentioned trade deadline, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Not November November fourth, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
The it's the day after the Arizona game, Monday night game.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
So he was saying, look for the bye, but that
means not to play. He already opens the three it's
the three week window. So that would get you to
the Sunday before Thanksgiving, I believe if you look at
it that way. So again, even if he played after
not playing as long as he did, if he plays
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the Sunday before Thanksgiving, is he ready to play on Thanksgiving?
You got to kind of wait.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
In the schedule. After the bye, there's a Monday night
game at Vegas, and then it's the Philadelphia game Thanksgiving week,
and then Kansas City on Thanksgiving Day, right, so, and
then Detroit the following Thursday.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's easy stretches.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, well do you think that's just the first half
of that.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Let's wait, what are those teams record? Everybody thought that.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Kansas is starting to play well again.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well that's fine, but we know what they've done already. Detroit,
Detroit get beat, beat washing Kansas City Yep, Eagles get
beat Yep, they've lost beat Yeah right there with them, right,
uh huh. See that's the good and bad of what
happened on Sunday. The bad is you could have taken advantage.
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The good is people backed up with you.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Only only NFC East team to win over the weekend,
the the darting Scataboos.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
It's a lot of love going on between those two.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Beat Philadelphia and they play the Broncos this week, and
the Cowboys play the Broncos next to it. Yeah and so,
but but all that if if the team is thinking
like we are, okay, sky falling, all that the coach
has to say is you beat Washington on Sunday and
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you move ahead of Washington in the standings second place.
Washington falls to three and four and you're three three
and one. You're in the second place, and the Eagles
are playing at Minnesota, and so it's the Carson Wentz
revenge game unless JJ McCarthy plays for him.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And they've lost two straight.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And Philadelphia's lost too straight.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, so I counted up on the standings. There's thirteen
teams that have only one less loss than the Cowboys.
They're all the four and twos or free and twos.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So sixteen teams in the NFC. Twelve of them have
a record of five hundred or better.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and you know that that time that tie, it
just looks it's so ugly.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It just stakes up everything.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's it's uglier ono in two and four.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
That's about it as well, because you know what, I've
been here or you could have been here.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
The tie is uglier on the Cowboys two three and
one record than it is on the Packers three to
one and one record.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It just no, I don't know. It depends on how
you like your food. It don't taste me.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
I told you about the guy in the elevator after
the Packers game. All the Packer fans were complaining, he said, well,
it's better than a loss. Okay, So anyway about that stretch.
We'll see what the stretch is when we get there.
The Chargers got beat, right, they lose, so there's a
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lot of losing.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Going on any given Sunday, right, That's what they say
any given Sunday. So if you look at it like that,
this is where the Cowboys is supposed to be making
them move right.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Hey? Hey, three weeks ago, ever soon the Falcons lost
at Carolina and then thirty to nothing. Yeah, the Cowboys
just lost Carolina seven. What happened after after it? After
Atlanta lost to Carolina thirty to nothing, they played Washington
the next week, and they beat Washington. Then that'll buy
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a week. And then they played Buffalo last night and
they beat Buffalo, so they've won two games. Cowboys are
looking at two games against Washington and then at Denver.
If the Cowboys do what the Falcons did, we don't
forget about Carolina, but it sure looks.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
So you got the Bears in there where the Bears
and three one three straight?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Head or were they won?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And there three and two three podcast?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So they were two right until they beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't I don't recall, but.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
But that's probably right since they've won three straight and
I think that was their first win.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Okay, but what we all want to know is what
Everson thought about.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, that's that's what we're here for.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
We want to hear we are we've already unleashed all
of our pain at the desk.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
What was your pain?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
My pain is the fact that this is getting monotonous. Yeah,
that's what my pain is. You have your opportunities laid
out there for you, and yet we could have been this,
you know, with the tie sitting out there, but we
are not. We are where we are right now because
of what happened. It's on Sunday, and you look at
the game. It's the pessimistic it's the pessimistic view that
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seems to always be the narrative when we go on
the road, you know, And I hated the Jets. I
wanted the Jets to be the norm. The Jets seems
like it's not the norm. The Jets is in operation
compared to how we play on the road. And I
don't care who the whether it's offensive defense. You're sitting
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here thinking that could have been remedied because this is
exactly what we were warned against as we go on.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The road and we play the way we play all
the time.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I don't know what I wrote record is, but in
games that what we really needed. We seem to always
come in flat. And I don't even know what I
could talk about. The human condition. The fans on the
road should have nothing to do with how you play.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It just shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well, there was hardly fans there, so just like just
like the Jets game, Yeah, wait, previous it's made.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's for us, that's for us, that's for us to take.
That's the moment for us to take to win. All
the elements are there for us to win.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
They didn't take advantage.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And I bet we had a good cloud that came
through as well for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe that's a lot
of empty seats.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, and already, you know, I want to blame you know,
like use. It's easy in the past to blame Dak
for something, you know, because he didn't have a good game, higgre.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
But what what we talked about, and I'm sure I.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Saw it on the rundown if I'm not mistaken, you
are wasting greatness here. Yes, I mean you are waste
And it's not just that everybody's eating and you know,
so the offense is sitting there feeling shouldn't be feeling
good about themselves. We are exactly what we're supposed to
be offensively, but defensively, how are we going to It's
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something that's gonna be a little touchy because now everybody's
looking at the coach like, yo, man, you need to
do better. Somebody needs to do better. We can't keep
blaming the players. Somehow. You need to get rid of
those players that ain't listening and realize that your job
is on the line.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
We gonna take their path.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I don't know, because we got the guy we wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean, it's like bringing in all these offensive running
back coaches and if they didn't a line blocking coaches,
and if they didn't come through, what would we do?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, they came through. Everybody's coming through. It didn't do
that well on Sunday. I didn't like the rushing game
at all. But it's not gonna it's not gonna come
with you.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You can pack your resting game, but you might not
wear it out every Sunday you get there.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yeah, well they took away one thing and the Panthers
took away to run a game, which we talked about
that yesterday. But I got to get your thoughts on
the fourth quarter, six minutes left in the game where
the Carolina Panthers got the ball on that drive, and
specifically the fourth and three. We were talking about Deron
Bland and his alignment on that. He's eight yards off
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the ball fourth and three and you give up a
seven yard catch. So in your eyes, Everson, you take
a cornerback like that, You've played the position obviously, what
are your thoughts on fourth and three as far as
your alignment is concerned.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's not just as alignment the fact that he's off
the ball so far. I mean, we used to run
the hitch route from the Washington Redskins at the time,
and all.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
They would they found out that when we play.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Our zonn All hitch it all hitches nineteen eighty three,
I think Monday Night Football, they hitched us to death.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
In the first quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We finally had to go to a cover two so
that that that hitch could be taken care of and
they had to go elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
We end up winning that game. Break comeback, Grays.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Come back at that time and myday Night football history,
I just happened to.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Remember that just happened.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But you know, in that position, you gotta be aggressive.
You have to play up from an aggressive stance. Uh
did he have Did he not have confidence in himself
at that time? Did it was he injured? No, no
time to play safe. Now, this is the moment that
we set the game.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Plan up for and then you're going to get Hunter Renfro.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
And the last time I checked, I don't think of
Hunter Renfro as a anybody. You know, when you got
the scouting report on Hunter Renfro, it did the same.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You see precise routes, Yes, you see, because you see
moving the chain routes. That's what you see. And now
unless you're gonna set him up for that and you're
gonna jump what you need to jump, yeah, then then
you know otherwise why play off?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Play off?
Speaker 6 (14:59):
And so we had that conversation. Anciday. I thought it
was very interesting that the technique that they use. I
just thought it was I thought that was horrible. I
went back and watched it a couple of times. It
the sticks, that's that's just said. At the stick, that's
what they teacher just said, at the.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Sticks, you got nothing. You know, you have to play aggressive.
That that's one of those moments where you can't be
cute with it. You know, you have to you know,
you have to psych yourself up, you know, to play
an aggressive technique.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Did you that's where the safety was.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm gonna I'm backing it up for it.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So I have a problem. I have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You said get back, didn't you? You said get back
over your game. You said, nobody's going to lose this
one on the big play.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All right, Ever, soon don't hit, don't play on it. Okay,
you can see where the safety is playing. Yeah, whoa, Yeah,
that's fortunate. In the film, that's right.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
They had to widen that a little bit. Man, that'll
burn you. That will burn you. And I think that's
what that's what gives everybody the reason to make the
questions about what's going on at the top. And look, man,
how do you do that in that situation? Like you said,
don't play cute and hate.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I hate coming down to that.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It shouldn't have even come down to that to blame
the game on that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Lets you know, you screwed up way before that.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And by the way, the safety started nineteen yards deep
and he went back four yards.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Well, you know, you gotta get your depth.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
But let's let's what they tell you. Let's not worry
about the sixteen don't worry about your two hundred and
sixteen yards rushing.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I mean you were already in trouble. So I mean,
you can talk about Bland all you want, you were
already in trouble. I hate those games where somebody else
does the system's not working, then all of a sudden
we get.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It ironed out.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Then while you're ironing it out, that play happens, right,
and now we say, oh, well that was the play.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, no, no, you know what the play was. You
know what the play was. It was the next play
when dubdle goes for nine yards on first down. You
only have two timeouts. Let the game is over.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It that about the timeouts when we first sat down.
That would that hurt?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, those time outs at the end, loss of time
outs at the end, that really hurt nobody.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Nobody's excusing. I don't think anybody could excuse two hundred
and sixteen yards being given up rushing. But I think
at the end of the day, even then, you had
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
To players got to make play. You had an opportunity.
That's your player.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
It'd be a different thing if it was two sixteen
and you're you're getting beat forty five to three, you know,
and then at that point then you know why you
got drummed. But if you are in the fourth quarter
with an opportunity to make a stop, why play it
like that? So that's a moment that just messes up
the narrative of what happened the entire game.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Yeah, right, look at you're picking out Yeah, you're picking
out one thing. Out of sixty.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's a bunch of running plays in there. Well, the linebacker,
I'm sure didn't hit the gap, right, A defensive lineman,
you know, getting blocked, not getting off his block. That
probably happened the entire game. If I were just look
at the what you call it all twenty two's the
entire game. Did you look at it?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
They were getting knocked off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But they were and then knocked off the line of scrimmage,
not just them not getting past. They're getting knocked off
the line of scrimmage. That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, and there, you know, there are times where, for instance,
one of the questions I wanted to pose, Okay, the
Cowboys have now gone three different defensive coordinators in three years. Okay,
you had Dan Quinn, and you had Mike Zimmer and
now Matt Eberflus, And your recall with Quinn, it was
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the strategy defensively, is you play the run on the
way to the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Okay, And that's what it seems like these defensive ends
are doing, is they're basically they're playing the run on
the way to the quarterback, rather than setting an edge,
rather than thinking or defending the run first, it's all
about getting to the quarterback. There were times in this
game where Carolina took advantage of a defensive end crashing
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towards a quarterback, and it just leaves the.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Same thing happened in the package game. The same thing
in the package game. You got defensive end like, oh man,
he might get there.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
The quarterbacks handing the ball, but so Ibra Flus with
his system. Okay, it's technique that you're you're trying to
teach these guys. This is the way we're playing. When
they came into the league and they've been taught three
different things with three different defensive coordinators, and it takes time.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
How long? How much time does it take?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean that's my thing. I mean, yeah, how much
time does that take? Tom Langer taught people to play
the flex just in the training camp, and all of
a sudden, the guy comes in, he can play the
flex now he was he was all accustomed to the
traditional way of playing defensive line. And you brought a
group of guys in here all the time, and they
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were they weren't always wimer you talk the guys how
an entirely different way on how to play football on
the defensive line and linebacker position, and very frustrating for
a lot of those it was, but they learned it
and that can well came out better for it. So
you know, find the guys that can learn it or
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stop learning, stop teaching. It's the frustration there is when
how long do we wait? When are they going to
get it?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Now? When is that light bulb gonna come on?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, I'm playing the game, Okay, I know what the
technique is. Okay, I still got to get to the quarterback. Well, damn,
they run for two hundred plus yards. Let's stop worrying
about the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
To Bill's point of the top on their depth chart
on defense, top twenty five guys, Yeah, fifteen of them
weren't playing here lest right, so there is a lot
of youth and a lot of newness. Well, they go
three deep, so.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
They're all playing for different defensive coordinators. Right, So whether
it was these defense, whether it's dam Quinn, they're playing
for a college defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
And are they're spending the season on injured reserve?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So did our defense get better doing those three terms?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
You know, zimmer still can't stop the run.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Here's one thing on Iberville can't.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
By the way, it's still a continue.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
That is the consistency right there.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Can't stop by the way on Iberflus and I have
it written down somewhere. I can't run.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
His first year in Chicago, okay, he's in twenty twenty two,
they went three and fourteen and they had the thirty
first ranked run defense in the league. His second year
in Chicago in twenty twenty three, where did they rank
with their rush defense number one in the league. They
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went from thirty first.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
See here we go, Now we got wait till next year.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They went thirty first next year.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Hanging that offense.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. Now he
was let go at that right after Thanksgiving last year,
and they wound up with the twenty eighth run defense
of the league last year. But it wasn't all his work.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
But we always have twenty three. He went up to
number one.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
It is possible. Yeah, over a nine year's time, it
went from thirty one to one.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Hey Bill, there's nowhere to go but up. Yeah, he
lowers the bar.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And then what was the Cowboys defense. Last year they
were basically what they are this year.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
They are Yes, they are yeah, yeah, And that's the frustration.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's twenty he inherited.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
So we didn't just start not being able to stop
the run. That's been happening for a while.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
They didn't have it, they didn't have been aping. Who
was the defensive coordinator last year.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's Mike Zimmer Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Then before that dan Quinn and they got run right
out of the playoff game with dan Quinn's.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, and this is where these stats can be deceiving. Okay,
what you're talking about. In twenty twenty three, they got
in the playoffs, they got run, and then there were
other key games Buffalo comes to mind in December where
they could not stop the run. Of course, that was
the year Lateon vander Esch gets hurt and he has
to move Marquise Bell to linebacker and he was basically
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starting linebacker. And Jordan as Jordan Loved told Michael Parsons
in an offseason podcast, Hey, we looked over there and
number four teams playing linebacker. We're not throwing the ball,
we're running the ball at But guess where the Cowboys
ranked their total defense that year under Dan Quinn, but
their total defense was fifth. They were fifth in points
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allowed in twenty twenty three. They were sixteenth in run
defense that year, middle of the pack average. But what
we remember are the biggest play the biggest moments in
the biggest games. Yes, they couldn't stop the run, yes, right,
that's true. Yeah, part of that was you had a
quarterback playing at the same level that he's playing at
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right now. He was second in the MVP bow So
they were playing and they finished twelve and five that year.
They were And so these rushing stats they don't matter
because the teams were trying to play catch up, that's right.
So they weren't running the ball.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
You know what we need, We need a stat for
making big plays because you can look at all these
stats right to running whatever yards giving up? Did you
make a play for me?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Right?
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Against the Jets? They gave up yards, right, but they
made a play play right, Yeah, that's right. And that's
what's not taking place. They're not talking about a play.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Donovan Wilson made a play.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah he did, your guy.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And then he didn't make some plays too, and we
get more mix shots coming up in just a moment.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, that's why.
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Speaker 3 (27:18):
We had some breaking news from Mickey Spagnola during the break.
I asked him more about what Jerry had to say upstairs,
and he said that. Jerry said he's encouraged.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
He did.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
There's one person in Cowboys Kingdom encouraged, and it's Jerry.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It's the king.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Please explain.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I think he was he was talking about the defense
with he.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Was talking about the defense and he's enroached. Is that
where you're.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Saying, because he kept pointing out that you've got reenforcement
reinforcements on the way where well overshown.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Okay, okay, that's one.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Revel who would have been starting had you know he
not well, they might not have had him if he
didn't get hurt in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Got hurt a year ago.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
A year ago.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, that's reaching.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
So yeah, I know, I know reaching, Sanborn.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I don't know you, Sanborn.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well, I mean, I'm just saying there's an injured player.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Right, you know when that's that's kind of I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Talking about offensive reinforcements and.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Then offensive reinforcements to Yeah so.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Maybe maybe, but maybe.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You score another touchdown, right if you have two more
starters on the offensive line, and two of.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Very well, man, I tell you what we could use.
We could really use a nice pass wrestling linebacker. That's
what we could use.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Right, now, whoa wait a minute, you just stepped in.
You just stepped in it. Okay, what long is?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
But it's still at least a month, about six weeks
before or overshit, and we already established that it's probably
after the buy.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Every week period.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
There's there's nobody more electric than the Marvin Overshown.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
This guy is instant speed or how long, instant physicality,
all of those things that the Marvin Overshonn brings to
the table this team needs.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
The only problem with that is the last that we
saw the Marvin Overshonn in the Cowboys uniform, his hit
his leg was almost severed. And I have I'm going
to continue to say it. I know that this young
man has working his butt off. I come and see
him over there on the bands and Coors working his
butt off. But to even insinuate to think that he
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can come back and be any of.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That is hard ass.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Second, that is a tough and for me, I just
feel like with those that feel like, why make a
trade at this point, I feel like, man, why rush
your young linebacker back at this point? Lit Let that
heel man, let him get better, allow him next season.
And I understand, honest, where we are right now. The
reinforcements are needed. But this is a guy that's gonna
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be as much a part of the future than he is.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
A part of the present.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
One thing I brought up, you want to break up
point out something you mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Were we on the same wavelength the text you sent out?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Oh you get text.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Defense the important?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah? Important.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
We touched on it briefly yesterday.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
But I believe that I ain't gonna quit.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
This team really misses DeMarcus Lawrence is run defense a
little cheeky.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
There's a little graphic that showed his performance he returned
from injury. They played, they played Jacksonville. He had two sacks,
five quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Hurries, five tackles, five tackles, two tackles for a loss.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
He had that game. He had that game.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You know, a typical season, a typical season for DeMarcus
Lawrence here he would had around sixty five tackles in
a sixteen game season. That's four tackles a game.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I mean. He is one. This whole idea of playing
the run on the way to the quarterback, well, no,
he played the run, okay, but he also got to
the quarterback. And that's that mindset of excuse that the
importance of being unselfish, because you don't get paid for
(31:49):
megan tackles at defensive end. You get paid for getting
to the quarterback. That unselfishness and the ability to set
an edge and defend the run. That's what's missing I
think on this defense. And he's not just a but
I think as a rocker can get there. But he's
just not there yet.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah he's young, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I stop having the conversation about your Davian Clowney. How's
he playing?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
He hadn't made any lash play.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh in the game, it was only sixteen sacks or
so this this.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Week, I ain't sixteen snaps.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah snaps? Okay, did I say sacks?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He had a hell of a game.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
We missed that completely the NFL, right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
No, he got sixteen sacks. Okay, but but but the
quarterback didn't have the ball?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Is that what Rico had at sixteen yards?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah? Field, oh man.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
We're looking for somebody to come in and have an
impact in Davian Clowney was the guy that we all
were thinking, we're going to have that impact on his defense,
and it hadn't happened yet. And the reason why you
know it is nobody's talking about your David Clowney anymore.
He went from being the savior to now nobody's talking
about him.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
What did you think he was going to just show
up on the field.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I don't know, Mickey, I had. I was with everybody
else in that thought.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Who's everybody else?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
You know, everybody else, here's what help, here's what, here's hurt.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I was looking forward to some type of production. I
was looking forward to him that. Well, we saw somebody
that's it right there, and that needs to continue. You know,
what is a move inside move? I said, I don't
care what what his numbers are. Are they showing where
he's getting closer? Are they showing what he's making plays?
(33:41):
Are they showing where he made the tackle? Or is
he out there just still trying to.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Get On Sunday, he played twenty five percent of the
snap less than twenty five percent of the snaps and
made one tackle. Okay, and so that's okay. Here're your
defensive ends. Okay, you got Clowney who had sixteen snaps
in that game. You got Sam Williams.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Now, why did he only have sixteen sacks. Snaps got
me saying, that's the question, because he's not out there
to play the run, right, and they needed people to.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Play to run. Sam snapped at Fowler play Fowler played
eighteen snaps and he's another one like.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Clowny liability against the run.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
James Houston. Okay, here's another one. I have run fourteen snaps.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Neeland started the game. He clearly was bothered by his ankle.
Not only it was clearly in his play and there
was one play later in the first half where he
was limping and came off the field. And he missed
last week's game against the Jets and was limited in practice.
But they knew they needed their best and we've talked
(34:55):
about it yesterday. He's probably their best run defending defensive end.
So he starts the game, but it was obvious from
the start he wasn't ready to go. As Iraku had
thirty eight snaps and Sam Williams had thirty seven snaps.
Your defensive ends.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
And.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
As Iraku had one tackle, two quarterback hits, one tackle
for loss.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
All these Sam Williams.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Sam Williams had.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Four tackles in between the tackles, right, what's that all
the runs are going in there.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Some were.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean there was one they got out that I
pointed out yesterday where Sam Williams is crashing towards the
quarterback and I think Jesse Holly tweeted out the end
zone shot of it.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
It was the hole.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Everything was from this wall to the other side of
that hall. But on that way Sam Williams' defensive end
and he had leget the wide receiver who's blocking him. Well,
he crashed to the quarterback. Maybe he was coached to
do them, maybe always the scheme they were playing on that,
but whatever, it left a gaping hole there and Murray
(36:01):
tried to get over and got and then Shamar Thomas
behind him. Uh he got cut off by a guard
and so it was just a but it's actually only
an eight yard carries.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But is that paper?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
What you're insinuating is the majority of our edge rushers
are hunting for sacks.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm not saying there I was talking talking to Bill.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm saying, I mean, I think there's a mindset of
that where there were and I showed Mickey this. There
was one great uh no game play exactly. In fact,
it was after the dabtle one and as Araku on
the other side. Now, dawdall was was worn out by
then and so he was out of the game. DJ
Dallas carries no gain, But it wasn't because DJ Dallas
(36:45):
was the running back in not Rico. It was because
as Araku set the edge. He didn't get credited with
the tackle. But he wasn't his job exactly. He did
his job and someone else, ready Stewart or somebody filled
the hole and made the tackle. And so anyway, I
think I think a lot of it is just it's
(37:05):
It's my point is I think it's fixable. It's just
you got to just do your job and then the
discipline to just do your job, don't try to do
too much.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
And I keep asking myself, what is what hasn't he
tried in this game? He was a five man front.
I mean people were talking about that one two. He's
done it all. I mean, at this point he's gone
through the full gamut of defenses.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Don't pick that up, whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Pick that up he calls. He must not be close.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
He's frustrated.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
All right, Maybe we'll maybe Naden Frisco leaves me a
message and I can relay that to you. When we
come back here on mix shots in just a moment.
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Speaker 3 (40:18):
All Right, we got a phone call from Nadan Frisco.
I did towards the end of that last segment. I
rudely ignored it, and but he getting called Everson, right.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I think he called everyone in the room. I was
the only one to pick up.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I don't know he really wanted to and there's no
seating here for.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Him, and it's he was right. Just do your job.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Okay, that touch what he said. Just that's the message,
the message from Natan Firstco. Just do your job.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
So all systems can work. All systems can work.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You just got to get the players that you need
that understand your system and they can carry it out
the way that you want to carry it out.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Would you be surprised if all the guys that played
on the defensive line so far, now this is percentages
going into this last game, only three guys had played
as many as fifty snaps in a game, So telling
you they're rotating guys in there, they're searching, they're looking,
(41:28):
and they're not getting what they do, you know what
they want. Kenny Clark and Osa o'diggee Zua have and
I'm assuming with the however they played in this game
they were at more than sixty snaps and the only
other guy with fifty was Sam Williams.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Could you imagine being down off on the defensive line
and you are bumping heads with a guy every freaking
play and you get one tackle and you played like
forty five snaps. You know, you're just ramming into this guy.
You get one tackle, I mean, come on, man.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
And they were doubling the tackles Kenny Clark and Osa.
So now you got your linebackers then, but they were
doubling them so much they were backing into the linebackers,
and so the linebackers couldn't get along.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Remember when you get the double team, they would tell you,
but take up two blockers, you drop, you do something,
but make sure you don't. You occupied them long enough
so that your linebacker could get in the gap.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
You know, I remember that, and I don't play freaking linebacker.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Javonte Williams first run of the game, he got four yards.
They triple team Derek Brown, the number ninety five Carolina.
They got ways triple team him, and he's still He
shed all three blocks and got made the tackle.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Jack Brown's a different It may not be the right
person to use an example of that about man.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
You're still you know, I'm starting.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I'm a starting defensive tackle and I'm gonna I'm bumping heads.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
With this guy for fifty plays.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I can't make one play one I can't get off
the block one time. I can't save my linebacker from
that peeling off offensive line of once.
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Because that's all they were doing. That's that's that was
the ball. Okay, So wait.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You you scouted the offensive line for Caroline, what'd you
say about them?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
But they were missing three starters, That's.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
What I was.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
And that was optimism in your voice when you said that,
And I carried that with me, and I'm pissed off
right now because I don't have that with me.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
What is that optimism? Bill?
Speaker 5 (43:32):
They got?
Speaker 4 (43:33):
They happened.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
They got away with more double team blocking than you
should be allowed.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Have we ever?
Speaker 5 (43:41):
And here's the problem. The Cowboys majority of that game
played with two linebackers. Why they were worried about who
eighty two? What's your guy?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Trump Trumble?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
He kind of looks like a tight end, plays like
a wide receiver. They were they were using an nickel
guy on him, and then they're running the ball because
he's big enough to block.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Why are we making these adjustments that we can our defense?
I mean we should make they should be making. The
adjustment was a lot.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
Tommy Trumble had four catches for thirty nine yards, and
the adjustment worked on him.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Lefel got twenty seven snaps, and so the linebackers they
basically they basically Cowboys had three linebackers on the field
for twenty seven. So now there are times where as
you know, they were running a three man front, basically
a three to four, trying to make an adjustment because
they weren't something the run otherwise, and so you had
(44:43):
there were a couple of times at least where Leah
foul and Sam Williams were the outside linebackers and they
would have Clark, Solomon, Thomas and Osa as a three
man front. So and some of those snaps from Leahouer
in that situation, they.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Were bringing Donovan Wilson up a lot to put another
guy in the box. It was almost we.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Talked about that, but we talked about going to backs
play man the man and bring the safeties down.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
And that's quote unquote his strength, Donovan Wilson playing around
a line of scrimmage. And then when you have him
around a line of scrimmage and he's missing tackles and
he's being blown out of gaps and things like that,
and it doesn't look good, doesn't look like it is
his specialty. And then when you back them up and
he gives up a touchdown versus t MAC. You know
all of those things, Man, I think are blaring to say, Man,
(45:32):
this defense just isn't very good. But did you guys
last night Monday night, watching the Commander's game? I gotta
ask calm an opponent the Chicago Bears, right, did you
say watching that game, oh we got the Commanders this Sunday?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Did you say that that optimis? You didn't say that.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Nothing about that game told you like, man, if Chicago
could do that against them, then I know what we
get in there with versus these guys.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Here, right I am? I am, yeah, I figure spilled over?
Not anymore?
Speaker 9 (46:03):
Not?
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Is it over for that like that anymore?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I I You talk about making the adjustment to a
tight end and you put in only two linebackers against
the team that just gave up that that just had
a running back russell of two hundred and eight yards,
and you decide, hey, we.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Got to stop this tight end.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
But basically what was happening they were doubling the defensive tackles.
So the tight end or a wide receiver responsibility was
to block the defensive ends.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
So why not have three linebackers in against the run
that that has been successful previous week.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Didn't want to give up big pass play, task play.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
What are we talking about here? Man, we're worried about
the tight end.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
You just gave me one of my keys to the game.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
Get Bill, Get Bill cross Yeah, Bill, that's a team
V show.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Why would we Why would we worry about a tight
end when everyone's knows that the running game, it's what
we need to stop.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
You're not worried about zach Ertz. This game, this zach Ertz.
I know Zach, but we have a lot more problems
than Zach.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Right, well, and then the other question is right, just
like the Cowboys hoping Ceedee Lamb gets back this week,
the Commanders are hoping Terry McLaurin gets back this week.
He's been out, he's missed the last three games.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
For them, and this may get lost in the shuffle.
But they had another backup playing free safety. Right, I'm
guessing Hooker was starting for a reason and jan Ye
Thomas was a role player. Now he's a starter. I
don't know how many steps let me he was on
the field.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Let me say that if you're waiting on one.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Person, no, I'm not saying no, I know you're not.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I know, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
My point is all of these one player remedies, it's
the system itself. If the system is right, that one
player will only enhance what you're doing. If the system
ain't working, then I don't give a damn who you
bring in. It's not going to be remedied. That's that's
my point. I know that's not what you're thinking in
(48:16):
REGARDSS to one guy making a difference, but that lets
you know where we are right now. The system should
be able to survive one injury a one particular place.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
You know what, at the defensive tackle position. By the way,
they've got too many three technique defensive tackles right. The
only one technique is going to stop anything is Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
So there's there's a you're looking for a trade target.
There another too. Well, here's the deal. They drafted. They
drafted in the first round a run stopping defensive tackle
two years ago, and he was inactive.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
He can't get on the field, So that one spot
is giving them problem, which allows them to double team
the three.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, meanwhile, Carolina's got three of those out out on
the field at the same time. Right, not only Derek Brown,
but A'shawn Robinson and Bobby Brown. And two of those
A'shawn Robinson and Bobby Brown, they live like ten to
twenty minutes away from AT and T Stadium corner where
they got signed in free agency.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
By they could have got an uber to go try.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
All right.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
That's that's a round of time.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Out of time man.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is nick shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Hecma, Harrison,
Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's a fabulous Tuesday here inside the SWBC podcast studio.
Hecma says, welcome on in. It's Washington Week and Jerry
Jones got a late birthday present on Monday night as
the Washington Commanders lost and the Cowboys are right back
up there.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I was about to say, hey Sunday, you.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Didn't get it Sunday. It was late on Monday, and
we have a present today because it's the return of
Everson Walls. Here on mix show.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was the fight song, no fight song, no no fight,
no fight.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
There wasn't enough fight.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Only fight song I'm listening to is the Eyes of Texas.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Wow. That was ugly too.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
That was ugly. Did you have to pay beautiful for
a Texas fan?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Any bets had to be paid you? I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
You don't do that, No, you don't.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I don't have that kind of confidence, in fact, in fact, okay,
my daughter, oh you for quite. So it's been twenty
five years since they did anything. Okay, it's twenty five
years ago. Is when the last won national championship. In
my opinion, that's when you've done something when you win
a national chair. So several years ago, my daughters, two
of them went to you to school. They gave me
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one of those little metal OEU emblems to put on
your back of my truck. Whatever. It's still sitting there.
I'm not you want to it's sitting. It's sitting in
my closet. And I just made the decision. I said, okay,
if they if they, if they beat Texas, I'll go
ahead and put it on. And so it's gonna it's
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gonna sit. It's gonna sit on my dresser for another year. Okay,
that's the standard fans.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
No, No, the others are obnoxious, more others than me.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
The others are not named Bill Jones.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
He doesn't want to summit. I can critique quarterback play,
and that was not a good quarterback that was on
the other side. If you want to win that game,
you play like arch Manning did not like the other
guy did, okay, now we move on.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Now we move on.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Okay, So, uh, Mickey is man, he is serious over there.
He just got down from upstairs where Jerry Jones was
holding court. They got a what was it an East
Wesh Shrine game press conference going on up there?
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yeah, it was, And they had a presentation with a
young man I think he was from Shreveport that had
two operations bone operation replacements. And they also inducted Darryl
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Johnson into the Shriners Hall. Oh really, he played in
the game, he said, coming out. Yep, that year, met
Tony Tolbert and Mark Stepanovsky at the game.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Okay, they came to the game.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, no, no, at the Shrine game.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
They all were in San Francisco for the Shrine Game.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So I don't know if that meant.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
The Shrining Game is now played here. It was played
here last year. That's when we discovered Bill Crossky Merrit.
There'll be more on him writing up in a moment here.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Even if I couldn't pronounce his name then talent.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Six months ago it was Jacory Crosskey Merrit, and now
it's Bill Crossky Merrit. And he will fumble at times
and he has T shirts that tried it. It wasn't
a commander T shirt. I'd get one.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
But so anyway, that was I didn't know what was
going on, and then I walked out into TV and
it's like, oh, this is going on now. I don't
think everybody got to.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Jerry hold Court afterwards and anything any news from Jerry
that we didn't know about.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Ask your question and I'll see if he answered it.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I just asked.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Specific, right, I got three pages of stuff right here.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Okay, trade deadline? He say anything about the trade deadline?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
He did, and he goes, he goes, uh. He said
this on the radio. He said, I got our eyes
open for ways to help this defense with resources. He
also said we do have some serious help on the way.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
To the offense or defense both. Okay, think about it.
You get lamb out that overshow windows and open up
pretty soon, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Well he keeps saying, wait to maybe after the bye.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Okay, So, which is after the trade deadline? That's the
that's the week of the trade dead right, right, And
since we mentioned trade deadline, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Not November November fourth, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
The it's the day after the Arizona game, Monday night game.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
So he was saying, look for the bye, but that
means not to play. He already opens the three it's
the three week window. So that would get you to
the Sunday before Thanksgiving, I believe if you look at
it that way. So again, even if he played after
not playing as long as he did, if he plays
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the Sunday before Thanksgiving, is he ready to play on Thanksgiving?
You got to kind of wait.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
In the schedule. After the bye, there's a Monday night
game at Vegas, and then it's the Philadelphia game Thanksgiving week,
and then Kansas City on Thanksgiving Day, right, so, and
then Detroit the following Thursday.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's easy stretches.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, well do you think that's just the first half
of that.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Let's wait, what are those teams record? Everybody thought that.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Kansas is starting to play well again.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Well that's fine, but we know what they've done already. Detroit,
Detroit get beat, beat washing Kansas City Yep, Eagles get
beat Yep, they've lost beat Yeah right there with them, right,
uh huh. See that's the good and bad of what
happened on Sunday. The bad is you could have taken advantage.
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The good is people backed up with you.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Only only NFC East team to win over the weekend,
the the darting Scataboos.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
It's a lot of love going on between those two.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Beat Philadelphia and they play the Broncos this week, and
the Cowboys play the Broncos next to it. Yeah and so,
but but all that if if the team is thinking
like we are, okay, sky falling, all that the coach
has to say is you beat Washington on Sunday and
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you move ahead of Washington in the standings second place.
Washington falls to three and four and you're three three
and one. You're in the second place, and the Eagles
are playing at Minnesota, and so it's the Carson Wentz
revenge game unless JJ McCarthy plays for him.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
And they've lost two straight.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And Philadelphia's lost too straight.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, so I counted up on the standings. There's thirteen
teams that have only one less loss than the Cowboys.
They're all the four and twos or free and twos.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So sixteen teams in the NFC. Twelve of them have
a record of five hundred or better.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and you know that that time that tie, it
just looks it's so ugly.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It just stakes up everything.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's it's uglier ono in two and four.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
That's about it as well, because you know what, I've
been here or you could have been here.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
The tie is uglier on the Cowboys two three and
one record than it is on the Packers three to
one and one record.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It just no, I don't know. It depends on how
you like your food. It don't taste me.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
I told you about the guy in the elevator after
the Packers game. All the Packer fans were complaining, he said, well,
it's better than a loss. Okay, So anyway about that stretch.
We'll see what the stretch is when we get there.
The Chargers got beat, right, they lose, so there's a
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lot of losing.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Going on any given Sunday, right, That's what they say
any given Sunday. So if you look at it like that,
this is where the Cowboys is supposed to be making
them move right.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Hey? Hey, three weeks ago, ever soon the Falcons lost
at Carolina and then thirty to nothing. Yeah, the Cowboys
just lost Carolina seven. What happened after after it? After
Atlanta lost to Carolina thirty to nothing, they played Washington
the next week, and they beat Washington. Then that'll buy
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a week. And then they played Buffalo last night and
they beat Buffalo, so they've won two games. Cowboys are
looking at two games against Washington and then at Denver.
If the Cowboys do what the Falcons did, we don't
forget about Carolina, but it sure looks.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
So you got the Bears in there where the Bears
and three one three straight?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Head or were they won?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And there three and two three podcast?
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So they were two right until they beat the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I don't I don't recall, but.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
But that's probably right since they've won three straight and
I think that was their first win.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Okay, but what we all want to know is what
Everson thought about.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, that's that's what we're here for.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
We want to hear we are we've already unleashed all
of our pain at the desk.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
What was your pain?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
My pain is the fact that this is getting monotonous. Yeah,
that's what my pain is. You have your opportunities laid
out there for you, and yet we could have been this,
you know, with the tie sitting out there, but we
are not. We are where we are right now because
of what happened. It's on Sunday, and you look at
the game. It's the pessimistic it's the pessimistic view that
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seems to always be the narrative when we go on
the road, you know, And I hated the Jets. I
wanted the Jets to be the norm. The Jets seems
like it's not the norm. The Jets is in operation
compared to how we play on the road. And I
don't care who the whether it's offensive defense. You're sitting
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here thinking that could have been remedied because this is
exactly what we were warned against as we go on.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The road and we play the way we play all
the time.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I don't know what I wrote record is, but in
games that what we really needed. We seem to always
come in flat. And I don't even know what I
could talk about. The human condition. The fans on the
road should have nothing to do with how you play.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It just shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well, there was hardly fans there, so just like just
like the Jets game, Yeah, wait, previous it's made.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's for us, that's for us, that's for us to take.
That's the moment for us to take to win. All
the elements are there for us to win.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
They didn't take advantage.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And I bet we had a good cloud that came
through as well for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe that's a lot
of empty seats.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, and already, you know, I want to blame you know,
like use. It's easy in the past to blame Dak
for something, you know, because he didn't have a good game, higgre.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
But what what we talked about, and I'm sure I.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Saw it on the rundown if I'm not mistaken, you
are wasting greatness here. Yes, I mean you are waste
And it's not just that everybody's eating and you know,
so the offense is sitting there feeling shouldn't be feeling
good about themselves. We are exactly what we're supposed to
be offensively, but defensively, how are we going to It's
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something that's gonna be a little touchy because now everybody's
looking at the coach like, yo, man, you need to
do better. Somebody needs to do better. We can't keep
blaming the players. Somehow. You need to get rid of
those players that ain't listening and realize that your job
is on the line.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
We gonna take their path.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I don't know, because we got the guy we wanted.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean, it's like bringing in all these offensive running
back coaches and if they didn't a line blocking coaches,
and if they didn't come through, what would we do?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, they came through. Everybody's coming through. It didn't do
that well on Sunday. I didn't like the rushing game
at all. But it's not gonna it's not gonna come
with you.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You can pack your resting game, but you might not
wear it out every Sunday you get there.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yeah, well they took away one thing and the Panthers
took away to run a game, which we talked about
that yesterday. But I got to get your thoughts on
the fourth quarter, six minutes left in the game where
the Carolina Panthers got the ball on that drive, and
specifically the fourth and three. We were talking about Deron
Bland and his alignment on that. He's eight yards off
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the ball fourth and three and you give up a
seven yard catch. So in your eyes, Everson, you take
a cornerback like that, You've played the position obviously, what
are your thoughts on fourth and three as far as
your alignment is concerned.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's not just as alignment the fact that he's off
the ball so far. I mean, we used to run
the hitch route from the Washington Redskins at the time,
and all.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
They would they found out that when we play.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Our zonn All hitch it all hitches nineteen eighty three,
I think Monday Night Football, they hitched us to death.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
In the first quarter.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We finally had to go to a cover two so
that that that hitch could be taken care of and
they had to go elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
We end up winning that game. Break comeback, Grays.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Come back at that time and myday Night football history,
I just happened to.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Remember that just happened.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But you know, in that position, you gotta be aggressive.
You have to play up from an aggressive stance. Uh
did he have Did he not have confidence in himself
at that time? Did it was he injured? No, no
time to play safe. Now, this is the moment that
we set the game.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Plan up for and then you're going to get Hunter Renfro.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
And the last time I checked, I don't think of
Hunter Renfro as a anybody. You know, when you got
the scouting report on Hunter Renfro, it did the same.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You see precise routes, Yes, you see, because you see
moving the chain routes. That's what you see. And now
unless you're gonna set him up for that and you're
gonna jump what you need to jump, yeah, then then
you know otherwise why play off?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Play off?
Speaker 6 (14:59):
And so we had that conversation. Anciday. I thought it
was very interesting that the technique that they use. I
just thought it was I thought that was horrible. I
went back and watched it a couple of times. It
the sticks, that's that's just said. At the stick, that's
what they teacher just said, at the.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Sticks, you got nothing. You know, you have to play aggressive.
That that's one of those moments where you can't be
cute with it. You know, you have to you know,
you have to psych yourself up, you know, to play
an aggressive technique.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Did you that's where the safety was.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm gonna I'm backing it up for it.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So I have a problem. I have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You said get back, didn't you? You said get back
over your game. You said, nobody's going to lose this
one on the big play.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
All right, Ever, soon don't hit, don't play on it. Okay,
you can see where the safety is playing. Yeah, whoa, Yeah,
that's fortunate. In the film, that's right.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
They had to widen that a little bit. Man, that'll
burn you. That will burn you. And I think that's
what that's what gives everybody the reason to make the
questions about what's going on at the top. And look, man,
how do you do that in that situation? Like you said,
don't play cute and hate.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I hate coming down to that.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It shouldn't have even come down to that to blame
the game on that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Lets you know, you screwed up way before that.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And by the way, the safety started nineteen yards deep
and he went back four yards.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Well, you know, you gotta get your depth.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
But let's let's what they tell you. Let's not worry
about the sixteen don't worry about your two hundred and
sixteen yards rushing.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I mean you were already in trouble. So I mean,
you can talk about Bland all you want, you were
already in trouble. I hate those games where somebody else
does the system's not working, then all of a sudden
we get.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It ironed out.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Then while you're ironing it out, that play happens, right,
and now we say, oh, well that was the play.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, no, no, you know what the play was. You
know what the play was. It was the next play
when dubdle goes for nine yards on first down. You
only have two timeouts. Let the game is over.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It that about the timeouts when we first sat down.
That would that hurt?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, those time outs at the end, loss of time
outs at the end, that really hurt nobody.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Nobody's excusing. I don't think anybody could excuse two hundred
and sixteen yards being given up rushing. But I think
at the end of the day, even then, you had
an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
To players got to make play. You had an opportunity.
That's your player.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
It'd be a different thing if it was two sixteen
and you're you're getting beat forty five to three, you know,
and then at that point then you know why you
got drummed. But if you are in the fourth quarter
with an opportunity to make a stop, why play it
like that? So that's a moment that just messes up
the narrative of what happened the entire game.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Yeah, right, look at you're picking out Yeah, you're picking
out one thing. Out of sixty.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's a bunch of running plays in there. Well, the linebacker,
I'm sure didn't hit the gap, right, A defensive lineman,
you know, getting blocked, not getting off his block. That
probably happened the entire game. If I were just look
at the what you call it all twenty two's the
entire game. Did you look at it?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, a lot of it.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
They were getting knocked off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
But they were and then knocked off the line of scrimmage,
not just them not getting past. They're getting knocked off
the line of scrimmage. That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, and there, you know, there are times where, for instance,
one of the questions I wanted to pose, Okay, the
Cowboys have now gone three different defensive coordinators in three years. Okay,
you had Dan Quinn, and you had Mike Zimmer and
now Matt Eberflus, And your recall with Quinn, it was
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the strategy defensively, is you play the run on the
way to the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Okay, And that's what it seems like these defensive ends
are doing, is they're basically they're playing the run on
the way to the quarterback, rather than setting an edge,
rather than thinking or defending the run first, it's all
about getting to the quarterback. There were times in this
game where Carolina took advantage of a defensive end crashing
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towards a quarterback, and it just leaves the.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Same thing happened in the package game. The same thing
in the package game. You got defensive end like, oh man,
he might get there.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
The quarterbacks handing the ball, but so Ibra Flus with
his system. Okay, it's technique that you're you're trying to
teach these guys. This is the way we're playing. When
they came into the league and they've been taught three
different things with three different defensive coordinators, and it takes time.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
How long? How much time does it take?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean that's my thing. I mean, yeah, how much
time does that take? Tom Langer taught people to play
the flex just in the training camp, and all of
a sudden, the guy comes in, he can play the
flex now he was he was all accustomed to the
traditional way of playing defensive line. And you brought a
group of guys in here all the time, and they
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were they weren't always wimer you talk the guys how
an entirely different way on how to play football on
the defensive line and linebacker position, and very frustrating for
a lot of those it was, but they learned it
and that can well came out better for it. So
you know, find the guys that can learn it or
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stop learning, stop teaching. It's the frustration there is when
how long do we wait? When are they going to
get it?
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Now? When is that light bulb gonna come on?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, I'm playing the game, Okay, I know what the
technique is. Okay, I still got to get to the quarterback. Well, damn,
they run for two hundred plus yards. Let's stop worrying
about the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
To Bill's point of the top on their depth chart
on defense, top twenty five guys, Yeah, fifteen of them
weren't playing here lest right, so there is a lot
of youth and a lot of newness. Well, they go
three deep, so.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
They're all playing for different defensive coordinators. Right, So whether
it was these defense, whether it's dam Quinn, they're playing
for a college defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
And are they're spending the season on injured reserve?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So did our defense get better doing those three terms?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
You know, zimmer still can't stop the run.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Here's one thing on Iberville can't.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
By the way, it's still a continue.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
That is the consistency right there.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Can't stop by the way on Iberflus and I have
it written down somewhere. I can't run.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
His first year in Chicago, okay, he's in twenty twenty two,
they went three and fourteen and they had the thirty
first ranked run defense in the league. His second year
in Chicago in twenty twenty three, where did they rank
with their rush defense number one in the league. They
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went from thirty first.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
See here we go, Now we got wait till next year.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They went thirty first next year.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Hanging that offense.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. Now he
was let go at that right after Thanksgiving last year,
and they wound up with the twenty eighth run defense
of the league last year. But it wasn't all his work.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
But we always have twenty three. He went up to
number one.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
It is possible. Yeah, over a nine year's time, it
went from thirty one to one.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Hey Bill, there's nowhere to go but up. Yeah, he
lowers the bar.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
And then what was the Cowboys defense. Last year they
were basically what they are this year.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
They are Yes, they are yeah, yeah, And that's the frustration.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's twenty he inherited.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
So we didn't just start not being able to stop
the run. That's been happening for a while.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
They didn't have it, they didn't have been aping. Who
was the defensive coordinator last year.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's Mike Zimmer Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Then before that dan Quinn and they got run right
out of the playoff game with dan Quinn's.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, and this is where these stats can be deceiving. Okay,
what you're talking about. In twenty twenty three, they got
in the playoffs, they got run, and then there were
other key games Buffalo comes to mind in December where
they could not stop the run. Of course, that was
the year Lateon vander Esch gets hurt and he has
to move Marquise Bell to linebacker and he was basically
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starting linebacker. And Jordan as Jordan Loved told Michael Parsons
in an offseason podcast, Hey, we looked over there and
number four teams playing linebacker. We're not throwing the ball,
we're running the ball at But guess where the Cowboys
ranked their total defense that year under Dan Quinn, but
their total defense was fifth. They were fifth in points
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allowed in twenty twenty three. They were sixteenth in run
defense that year, middle of the pack average. But what
we remember are the biggest play the biggest moments in
the biggest games. Yes, they couldn't stop the run, yes, right,
that's true. Yeah, part of that was you had a
quarterback playing at the same level that he's playing at
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right now. He was second in the MVP bow So
they were playing and they finished twelve and five that year.
They were And so these rushing stats they don't matter
because the teams were trying to play catch up, that's right.
So they weren't running the ball.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
You know what we need, We need a stat for
making big plays because you can look at all these
stats right to running whatever yards giving up? Did you
make a play for me?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Right?
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Against the Jets? They gave up yards, right, but they
made a play play right, Yeah, that's right. And that's
what's not taking place. They're not talking about a play.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Donovan Wilson made a play.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Yeah he did, your guy.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And then he didn't make some plays too, and we
get more mix shots coming up in just a moment.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, that's why.
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Speaker 3 (27:18):
We had some breaking news from Mickey Spagnola during the break.
I asked him more about what Jerry had to say upstairs,
and he said that. Jerry said he's encouraged.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
He did.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
There's one person in Cowboys Kingdom encouraged, and it's Jerry.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It's the king.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Please explain.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I think he was he was talking about the defense
with he.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Was talking about the defense and he's enroached. Is that
where you're.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Saying, because he kept pointing out that you've got reenforcement
reinforcements on the way where well overshown.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Okay, okay, that's one.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Revel who would have been starting had you know he
not well, they might not have had him if he
didn't get hurt in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Got hurt a year ago.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
A year ago.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, that's reaching.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
So yeah, I know, I know reaching, Sanborn.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I don't know you, Sanborn.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well, I mean, I'm just saying there's an injured player.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Right, you know when that's that's kind of I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Talking about offensive reinforcements and.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Then offensive reinforcements to Yeah so.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Maybe maybe, but maybe.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You score another touchdown, right if you have two more
starters on the offensive line, and two of.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Very well, man, I tell you what we could use.
We could really use a nice pass wrestling linebacker. That's
what we could use.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Right, now, whoa wait a minute, you just stepped in.
You just stepped in it. Okay, what long is?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
But it's still at least a month, about six weeks
before or overshit, and we already established that it's probably
after the buy.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Every week period.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
There's there's nobody more electric than the Marvin Overshown.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
This guy is instant speed or how long, instant physicality,
all of those things that the Marvin Overshonn brings to
the table this team needs.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
The only problem with that is the last that we
saw the Marvin Overshonn in the Cowboys uniform, his hit
his leg was almost severed. And I have I'm going
to continue to say it. I know that this young
man has working his butt off. I come and see
him over there on the bands and Coors working his
butt off. But to even insinuate to think that he
(29:47):
can come back and be any of.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That is hard ass.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Second, that is a tough and for me, I just
feel like with those that feel like, why make a
trade at this point, I feel like, man, why rush
your young linebacker back at this point? Lit Let that
heel man, let him get better, allow him next season.
And I understand, honest, where we are right now. The
reinforcements are needed. But this is a guy that's gonna
(30:15):
be as much a part of the future than he is.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
A part of the present.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
One thing I brought up, you want to break up
point out something you mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Were we on the same wavelength the text you sent out?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Oh you get text.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Defense the important?
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah? Important.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
We touched on it briefly yesterday.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
But I believe that I ain't gonna quit.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
This team really misses DeMarcus Lawrence is run defense a
little cheeky.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
There's a little graphic that showed his performance he returned
from injury. They played, they played Jacksonville. He had two sacks,
five quarterback.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Hurries, five tackles, five tackles, two tackles for a loss.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
He had that game. He had that game.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You know, a typical season, a typical season for DeMarcus
Lawrence here he would had around sixty five tackles in
a sixteen game season. That's four tackles a game.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I mean. He is one. This whole idea of playing
the run on the way to the quarterback, well, no,
he played the run, okay, but he also got to
the quarterback. And that's that mindset of excuse that the
importance of being unselfish, because you don't get paid for
(31:49):
megan tackles at defensive end. You get paid for getting
to the quarterback. That unselfishness and the ability to set
an edge and defend the run. That's what's missing I
think on this defense. And he's not just a but
I think as a rocker can get there. But he's
just not there yet.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah he's young, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I stop having the conversation about your Davian Clowney. How's
he playing?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
He hadn't made any lash play.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh in the game, it was only sixteen sacks or
so this this.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Week, I ain't sixteen snaps.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah snaps? Okay, did I say sacks?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He had a hell of a game.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
We missed that completely the NFL, right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
No, he got sixteen sacks. Okay, but but but the
quarterback didn't have the ball?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Is that what Rico had at sixteen yards?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah? Field, oh man.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
We're looking for somebody to come in and have an
impact in Davian Clowney was the guy that we all
were thinking, we're going to have that impact on his defense,
and it hadn't happened yet. And the reason why you
know it is nobody's talking about your David Clowney anymore.
He went from being the savior to now nobody's talking
about him.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
What did you think he was going to just show
up on the field.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I don't know, Mickey, I had. I was with everybody
else in that thought.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Who's everybody else?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
You know, everybody else, here's what help, here's what, here's hurt.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I was looking forward to some type of production. I
was looking forward to him that. Well, we saw somebody
that's it right there, and that needs to continue. You know,
what is a move inside move? I said, I don't
care what what his numbers are. Are they showing where
he's getting closer? Are they showing what he's making plays?
(33:41):
Are they showing where he made the tackle? Or is
he out there just still trying to.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Get On Sunday, he played twenty five percent of the
snap less than twenty five percent of the snaps and
made one tackle. Okay, and so that's okay. Here're your
defensive ends. Okay, you got Clowney who had sixteen snaps
in that game. You got Sam Williams.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Now, why did he only have sixteen sacks. Snaps got
me saying, that's the question, because he's not out there
to play the run, right, and they needed people to.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Play to run. Sam snapped at Fowler play Fowler played
eighteen snaps and he's another one like.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Clowny liability against the run.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
James Houston. Okay, here's another one. I have run fourteen snaps.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Neeland started the game. He clearly was bothered by his ankle.
Not only it was clearly in his play and there
was one play later in the first half where he
was limping and came off the field. And he missed
last week's game against the Jets and was limited in practice.
But they knew they needed their best and we've talked
(34:55):
about it yesterday. He's probably their best run defending defensive end.
So he starts the game, but it was obvious from
the start he wasn't ready to go. As Iraku had
thirty eight snaps and Sam Williams had thirty seven snaps.
Your defensive ends.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
And.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
As Iraku had one tackle, two quarterback hits, one tackle
for loss.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
All these Sam Williams.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Sam Williams had.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Four tackles in between the tackles, right, what's that all
the runs are going in there.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Some were.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean there was one they got out that I
pointed out yesterday where Sam Williams is crashing towards the
quarterback and I think Jesse Holly tweeted out the end
zone shot of it.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
It was the hole.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Everything was from this wall to the other side of
that hall. But on that way Sam Williams' defensive end
and he had leget the wide receiver who's blocking him. Well,
he crashed to the quarterback. Maybe he was coached to
do them, maybe always the scheme they were playing on that,
but whatever, it left a gaping hole there and Murray
(36:01):
tried to get over and got and then Shamar Thomas
behind him. Uh he got cut off by a guard
and so it was just a but it's actually only
an eight yard carries.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But is that paper?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
What you're insinuating is the majority of our edge rushers
are hunting for sacks.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm not saying there I was talking talking to Bill.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm saying, I mean, I think there's a mindset of
that where there were and I showed Mickey this. There
was one great uh no game play exactly. In fact,
it was after the dabtle one and as Araku on
the other side. Now, dawdall was was worn out by
then and so he was out of the game. DJ
Dallas carries no gain, But it wasn't because DJ Dallas
(36:45):
was the running back in not Rico. It was because
as Araku set the edge. He didn't get credited with
the tackle. But he wasn't his job exactly. He did
his job and someone else, ready Stewart or somebody filled
the hole and made the tackle. And so anyway, I
think I think a lot of it is just it's
(37:05):
It's my point is I think it's fixable. It's just
you got to just do your job and then the
discipline to just do your job, don't try to do
too much.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
And I keep asking myself, what is what hasn't he
tried in this game? He was a five man front.
I mean people were talking about that one two. He's
done it all. I mean, at this point he's gone
through the full gamut of defenses.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Don't pick that up, whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Pick that up he calls. He must not be close.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
He's frustrated.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
All right, Maybe we'll maybe Naden Frisco leaves me a
message and I can relay that to you. When we
come back here on mix shots in just a moment.
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Speaker 3 (40:18):
All Right, we got a phone call from Nadan Frisco.
I did towards the end of that last segment. I
rudely ignored it, and but he getting called Everson, right.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I think he called everyone in the room. I was
the only one to pick up.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I don't know he really wanted to and there's no
seating here for.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Him, and it's he was right. Just do your job.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Okay, that touch what he said. Just that's the message,
the message from Natan Firstco. Just do your job.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
So all systems can work. All systems can work.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You just got to get the players that you need
that understand your system and they can carry it out
the way that you want to carry it out.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Would you be surprised if all the guys that played
on the defensive line so far, now this is percentages
going into this last game, only three guys had played
as many as fifty snaps in a game, So telling
you they're rotating guys in there, they're searching, they're looking,
(41:28):
and they're not getting what they do, you know what
they want. Kenny Clark and Osa o'diggee Zua have and
I'm assuming with the however they played in this game
they were at more than sixty snaps and the only
other guy with fifty was Sam Williams.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Could you imagine being down off on the defensive line
and you are bumping heads with a guy every freaking
play and you get one tackle and you played like
forty five snaps. You know, you're just ramming into this guy.
You get one tackle, I mean, come on, man.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
And they were doubling the tackles Kenny Clark and Osa.
So now you got your linebackers then, but they were
doubling them so much they were backing into the linebackers,
and so the linebackers couldn't get along.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Remember when you get the double team, they would tell you,
but take up two blockers, you drop, you do something,
but make sure you don't. You occupied them long enough
so that your linebacker could get in the gap.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
You know, I remember that, and I don't play freaking linebacker.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Javonte Williams first run of the game, he got four yards.
They triple team Derek Brown, the number ninety five Carolina.
They got ways triple team him, and he's still He
shed all three blocks and got made the tackle.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Jack Brown's a different It may not be the right
person to use an example of that about man.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
You're still you know, I'm starting.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I'm a starting defensive tackle and I'm gonna I'm bumping heads.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
With this guy for fifty plays.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I can't make one play one I can't get off
the block one time. I can't save my linebacker from
that peeling off offensive line of once.
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Because that's all they were doing. That's that's that was
the ball. Okay, So wait.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You you scouted the offensive line for Caroline, what'd you
say about them?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
But they were missing three starters, That's.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
What I was.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
And that was optimism in your voice when you said that,
And I carried that with me, and I'm pissed off
right now because I don't have that with me.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
What is that optimism? Bill?
Speaker 5 (43:32):
They got?
Speaker 4 (43:33):
They happened.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
They got away with more double team blocking than you
should be allowed.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Have we ever?
Speaker 5 (43:41):
And here's the problem. The Cowboys majority of that game
played with two linebackers. Why they were worried about who
eighty two? What's your guy?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Trump Trumble?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
He kind of looks like a tight end, plays like
a wide receiver. They were they were using an nickel
guy on him, and then they're running the ball because
he's big enough to block.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Why are we making these adjustments that we can our defense?
I mean we should make they should be making. The
adjustment was a lot.
Speaker 6 (44:13):
Tommy Trumble had four catches for thirty nine yards, and
the adjustment worked on him.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Lefel got twenty seven snaps, and so the linebackers they
basically they basically Cowboys had three linebackers on the field
for twenty seven. So now there are times where as
you know, they were running a three man front, basically
a three to four, trying to make an adjustment because
they weren't something the run otherwise, and so you had
(44:43):
there were a couple of times at least where Leah
foul and Sam Williams were the outside linebackers and they
would have Clark, Solomon, Thomas and Osa as a three
man front. So and some of those snaps from Leahouer
in that situation, they.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Were bringing Donovan Wilson up a lot to put another
guy in the box. It was almost we.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Talked about that, but we talked about going to backs
play man the man and bring the safeties down.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
And that's quote unquote his strength, Donovan Wilson playing around
a line of scrimmage. And then when you have him
around a line of scrimmage and he's missing tackles and
he's being blown out of gaps and things like that,
and it doesn't look good, doesn't look like it is
his specialty. And then when you back them up and
he gives up a touchdown versus t MAC. You know
all of those things, Man, I think are blaring to say, Man,
(45:32):
this defense just isn't very good. But did you guys
last night Monday night, watching the Commander's game? I gotta
ask calm an opponent the Chicago Bears, right, did you
say watching that game, oh we got the Commanders this Sunday?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Did you say that that optimis? You didn't say that.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Nothing about that game told you like, man, if Chicago
could do that against them, then I know what we
get in there with versus these guys.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Here, right I am? I am, yeah, I figure spilled over?
Not anymore?
Speaker 9 (46:03):
Not?
Speaker 4 (46:04):
Is it over for that like that anymore?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I I You talk about making the adjustment to a
tight end and you put in only two linebackers against
the team that just gave up that that just had
a running back russell of two hundred and eight yards,
and you decide, hey, we.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Got to stop this tight end.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
But basically what was happening they were doubling the defensive tackles.
So the tight end or a wide receiver responsibility was
to block the defensive ends.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
So why not have three linebackers in against the run
that that has been successful previous week.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Didn't want to give up big pass play, task play.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
What are we talking about here? Man, we're worried about
the tight end.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
You just gave me one of my keys to the game.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
Get Bill, Get Bill cross Yeah, Bill, that's a team
V show.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Why would we Why would we worry about a tight
end when everyone's knows that the running game, it's what
we need to stop.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
You're not worried about zach Ertz. This game, this zach Ertz.
I know Zach, but we have a lot more problems
than Zach.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Right, well, and then the other question is right, just
like the Cowboys hoping Ceedee Lamb gets back this week,
the Commanders are hoping Terry McLaurin gets back this week.
He's been out, he's missed the last three games.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
For them, and this may get lost in the shuffle.
But they had another backup playing free safety. Right, I'm
guessing Hooker was starting for a reason and jan Ye
Thomas was a role player. Now he's a starter. I
don't know how many steps let me he was on
the field.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Let me say that if you're waiting on one.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
Person, no, I'm not saying no, I know you're not.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I know, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
My point is all of these one player remedies, it's
the system itself. If the system is right, that one
player will only enhance what you're doing. If the system
ain't working, then I don't give a damn who you
bring in. It's not going to be remedied. That's that's
my point. I know that's not what you're thinking in
(48:16):
REGARDSS to one guy making a difference, but that lets
you know where we are right now. The system should
be able to survive one injury a one particular place.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
You know what, at the defensive tackle position. By the way,
they've got too many three technique defensive tackles right. The
only one technique is going to stop anything is Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
So there's there's a you're looking for a trade target.
There another too. Well, here's the deal. They drafted. They
drafted in the first round a run stopping defensive tackle
two years ago, and he was inactive.
Speaker 5 (48:55):
He can't get on the field, So that one spot
is giving them problem, which allows them to double team
the three.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, meanwhile, Carolina's got three of those out out on
the field at the same time. Right, not only Derek Brown,
but A'shawn Robinson and Bobby Brown. And two of those
A'shawn Robinson and Bobby Brown, they live like ten to
twenty minutes away from AT and T Stadium corner where
they got signed in free agency.
Speaker 5 (49:22):
By they could have got an uber to go try.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
All right.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
That's that's a round of time.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Out of time man.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
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Speaker 4 (49:30):
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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