December 5, 2025 • 51 mins
Not a great Friday after the Cowboys 44-30 loss Thursday night to Detroit. Talk centers on defensive woes, especially the coverage Everson analyzes. Then kicking too many field goals, but no matter what the Cowboys hung in there, but never could get over the hump for various reasons discussed.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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This is Mick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com and.
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The official Dallas Cowboys apt now.
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Here are Bill Jones, Hecma, Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, bro, and it's time for.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Not a fight song Friday edition of Mixshot. Instead, we're
looking forward to the Big twelve Championship game tomorrow. Welcome,
Hecma says, Come on in, do it. We're gonna discuss things.
Bill Jones, Everson Walls, Heckma, Harrison, and the star of
our show, Mickey Spagnola, who, along with producers Supreme Chris Beam,
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working on fumes.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Right now, right, sleep deprived?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Sleep deprived? What time did the charter land? And what
time did you get to bed?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Got to bed at five o'clock?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Okay, I don't think producer Supreme ever got to bed,
because he's up here bright and early.
Speaker 7 (01:22):
He got the first podcast of.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The day at eight am, so.
Speaker 8 (01:25):
He slept for an hour okay here and a half
before a robo call came in.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Okay, turn my ringer off.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Another Cowboys slept walk through the first portion of Yes,
last night's game typical came on strong towards the end,
but we got a lot to discuss here, and so Everson,
would you like to start us off with your first
take on what happened on Thursday night?
Speaker 9 (01:50):
When you talk about not having your destiny in your
own hands, it's up to someone else to do something
right or do something wrong for you correct him. We're
looking at not just worrying about different teams across the NFC,
but you also have to look at how any particular referee.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Might call a game. Huh. I mean it's in their hands.
It's in their hands.
Speaker 9 (02:20):
A referee could have a terrible day, but just so
happened that terrible day he has could make it a
terrible day for you. So there are times when everybody's
doing their job and then all it takes is one
guy to just blink for one unfortunate second and make
a crappy call like what we saw in the game
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last night. Not just crappy but crucial, I mean crucial,
crappy call. And so that's what we've always when things
are always going bad here at the start, it's usually
a referee that seems to.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just power it on. That's when it's not in.
Speaker 9 (03:00):
That's why I don't like having to play from a
desperate situation trying to get yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Into the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (03:07):
Yeah, I will start with just what you just ended with,
with a desperate situation. It came into the game knowing
that you had a team that needed to play desperate
to keep their destiny in their hands. And it wasn't
a night where we could talk. We're gonna talk about
the penalties and all of that, but when you start
to shoot yourself in the foot at a point in
the game where you're going up against a average to
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good team and not a team that's going to reciprocate
with those penalties. And of course Detroit had those penalties
in the first half, but you can't put yourself behind
the eight ball the way that the Cowboys did on
those first and long third and laws with those simple penalties.
But at the end of the day, we talked about
all of their weaponry that Detroit had, and I think
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guys like Jamiir Gibbs showed you why he's as valuable
as as he is to them. It wasn't just what
he did out of the backfield, but also what he
did as wide receiver. We seemingly didn't have any answers
for that, and football is a game of adjustments. Those
adjustments just didn't come fast enough in this game to
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stop the onslaught offensively for what Detroit did I think? Look,
if you had told me it showed me that the
Cowboys are going to score thirty points in this game,
I would have thought going into this game that surely
we would have held them to seventeen. Right, Oh no,
But I'm talking about with the way that your defense
had advanced over the last couple of games, and with
the addition of Quinn Williams, but we knew. We talked
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about how our linebackers had to play superb. I mean,
they had to be on their p's and q's. And
we've had bad linebacker play in the past, but this
was probably again one of those games that you just say, man,
linebacker play was a Busins wasn't good at all. And
it's going up against guys like Jamier Gibbs and David Montgomery.
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You could not afford to have your worst day.
Speaker 9 (04:59):
We talked about the the speed in which he was
going to hit the hole. We talked about all of
that last week, our linebackers were not able to meet
him in that hole. Uh, not only that, you saw
at times our alignement going up the field opening up
things as well to where the hole was too big
for the linebacker to even cover. Yeah, so too much space.
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We went back to those things to where we weren't
we weren't organized, We didn't play together, we didn't fill
those gaps in a uniform way. And that's why all
those those those those avenues were there.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, Mickey, it's your turn, all right. You just sighed.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
You had a quarterback throw for three hundred and seventy
six yards. You had an offense game four hundred and
seventeen yards, and with three thirty five left, you're only
down thirty seven to thirty, right, and you get beat
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forty four to thirty. The defense obviously was not the
defense we'd been seeing. They struggled, The offense had some
self inflicted wounds. Special teams was horrendous in coverage and
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even as bad in trying to block for kickoff returns.
Something's got to change there with both of those units.
If you've got to start putting starters out there, put
them out there, because this ain't getting it. Their starting
possessions were absolutely ridiculous. They averaged the forty one yard line,
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Cowboys averaged twenty eight. That's thirteen yards difference, right, and consistently,
so you think you're catching up up they got it
the thirty twenty seven, and then you give up a
forty five.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yard kickoff return.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
They're scoring drives forty four yards, forty two yards, fifty
three yards, forty five yards, fourteen yards, forty yards, fifty
nine and fifty one. They're just playing half the field
because mostly now you had the turnovers, I get it,
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but mostly it was kickoff returns, and every time you
caught up. And here was the hard part about this one.
If you think about their history during this entire season,
they've always had to come from behind to win.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
They dig a hole.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
They dig a hole three five and one, right, dig
a hole twenty one to nothing. Look at the Packers
game when they tied, they were down thirteen twenty sixteen,
twenty seven to twenty three, thirty four thirty right, So
in this one they get down again and then they
teased us because it's like.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
All right, this is right where they need to be.
Speaker 8 (08:10):
Then they're gonna come back, and they get back, and
then they're down thirty twenty seven. Then they're down thirty
seven thirty, and you're going, okay, one stop, You're gonna
score because they can't stop you unless.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
You stop yourself.
Speaker 8 (08:23):
And this time, as I wanted to kind of quote
Marvin Gay, the mountain was too high and they couldn't
get back in.
Speaker 11 (08:36):
He said, this mountain is too high.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Like that, let them handle the references.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I had it right.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
They just what I was saying, we have to get
it ain't supposed to for the brothers.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
It ain't supposed to be too high to prevent.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
So yeah, I think that had to be the frustrating
part of that whole night. Hey, Detroit's good, right, they
got a lot of speed. But again, you were right there.
And what do I tell you about field goals? You
want to repeat it more?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
You kick the.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Closer yard of losing five field goals? Now some you
got to kick right sixty three yards? Okay, great, that's
a bonus, right.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Fifty seven yard fifty seven. He turns around, kicks a
fifty seven yard field going. Then he has to make
the tackle on this.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yes, yes, let's not get him hurt, let's not get
him made.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
And having said that, on special teams with the kickoff returns,
the running backs made two tackles on kickoff returns.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Malik Davis, where's everybody else?
Speaker 6 (09:56):
What are they doing? That?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
That was awful?
Speaker 8 (09:59):
That was just awful And I thought that was the
most disappointing part.
Speaker 12 (10:04):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
And then, as you pointed out, you get yourself in
these situations and some guy wants to invent an offensive
pass interference on you, Well, okay, that's you know, that's the.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Way it goes.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Thing's gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
The guy invented a call, right.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That was crazy.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
Sean Hackley is his name, and we should basically call
him out.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's a sign.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
That's the sign Sean, Yeah, Seaan Hackley. That was That
was That was egregious. But at the same time, it's
like you you see a referee make a call like that,
and then they come and huddle.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Up and somebody tells them.
Speaker 10 (10:41):
Like you think somebody's something's gonna happen, where somebody smart
is gonna say you know what, the smart smart person
is gonna say, I think we shouldn't make this call
because it's gonna be the first ever call of its kind,
if we make it right here, crazy.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Guy, guys holding Ferguson's leg.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You that to offensive passing affairs? And then how did that?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
How do you haven't you heard.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Of I'm swimming, I'm I'm just dumbfounded. How did this
is a joke? There's no way, I mean he said
offensive passing affairs? He didn't even I'm like, just maybe
you pick up the flag offensive passing affairs?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
How is how are we here?
Speaker 8 (11:25):
That?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Just that just blew my mind. Man, that blew my mind.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
I think I said in the press box, you gotta
be kidding me a little too loud, because man.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It's like, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 7 (11:36):
I thought it was the call p I only past
interference the game.
Speaker 11 (11:42):
We go, right, we go.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
But you let yourself into situations like that, into situations
like the Holden call.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Pick play where the d B jumped in the way in.
Speaker 10 (11:55):
The absolutely he jumped in.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
What are they looking at?
Speaker 10 (12:00):
And most in most dvs, in that situation where they
know that rud Rowt's coming, they're gonna try and step
in front of that anyway, try and step over the
top of it, you know. But he was patient enough
in recognizing that it was coming, and he baited him
and he.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Took a charge.
Speaker 10 (12:14):
He did, That's exactly what he did. And and you know,
it's it's a similar to the NBA arguing fouls in
the NBA and they say, you know, let's go review it.
It's never really over overturned ever. But in this situation
must have been sucking all week. Well, they can't find
you ever since for saying that.
Speaker 8 (12:33):
But Jack car he goes, can I say that without
getting fine?
Speaker 13 (12:38):
Because he said that was bad? That was horrible bad?
It was, It was horrible. But I think when you're
having the kind of night that the Cowboys were having,
those penalties don't do anything but just magnifying the problems
that you're already having. Offensively, you're out of rhythm, you're
out of sorts, you're trying to play catch up. You're
still trying to stay committed to your running game, which
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I think Shotty did a good job of doing that.
And at the point that Ceedee Lamb went.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
Down and and and you don't know if you guys
felt it, because it was like the momentum was going
back and forth, but it was at that moment when
Ceedee Lamb went down and it was like, Oh.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
He ain't coming in. He ain't coming back in. He
ain't coming back in. You know that's what got me.
He ain't coming he's not coming back in. I'm like, Okay,
he'll be back, but he's not coming back.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
That just then Ryan Flanoy stepped up big time.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
Right for the most If there's any silver lining to
this game, that is that Ryan Flanoy is.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
And they finally threw a pass at Mingo. He was
active and it went right off his hands.
Speaker 10 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know, don't even get me started with you know,
we've been trying.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
Come on, man, I know what y'all want to talk about.
Y'all want to talk about Ferguson, y'all want to talk.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
About going on here? I need my guys. Man, happened?
What happened?
Speaker 10 (14:03):
First?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Man? What happened?
Speaker 8 (14:06):
He's got to start realizing he's not a two hundred
and eighty pound tight end trying to drag three guys
along with them.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
You caught the pass, go down, go down.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
But everybody needs to take that on that. But we
saw that a few weeks ago with Javonte at the
end of a game where he was trying to get
Also he's tackled, he's tackled.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm just go down and pickins.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Also focusing did he fumbled again last?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
This is another time pickings in this game.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
It happened to get be recovered right in the intro
and whoever recovered it, but it went back to the
two yard line. But if the Lions recover that, the
Lions get that ball. And but it again, it was
just trying to get trying to do too much in.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The last three games, and everybody's doing.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
And then you get a hand down to the face
when the pass got down to what was inside the ten.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yard line, and it was he did it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
He will let go.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
But again they're not good enough not to be kind
of close to perfect. They got whooped up front, offensive line,
got whooped defensive line. After the first two possessions made
no difference in the game whatsoever.
Speaker 9 (15:20):
And I was looking forward to that halftime adjustment.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, and we did not. We did not.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Well, if you didn't throw an interception on the first play,
you know you do.
Speaker 10 (15:30):
You got a third.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You have to come back with a running play.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
You don't start your series off with a passing play.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well after that you're right, come.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
On, man, let's just.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Run the ball. Let's just come on out and run
the ball.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
And if you're going to come out and throw the ball,
because everyone's thinking, okay, how aggressive we're going to be,
I'm not gonna come out with a slant.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I come out with a slant and go. That's when
you go with the slug o.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Schotenneimer said after the game.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I should have gone with he should have gone with
his love. He said that. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Man, he blamed the media for putting out how well
they've done on slipt.
Speaker 10 (16:08):
Please use that.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Use it against him, because that's all we did Hickens
on the sled.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Use it against him. I mean, come on, it was
out there.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Schottenheimer was joking because he's the one actually brought it
up in the press conference. I mean, that's what they do.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And it was the.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
First play of the third quarter and Pickens and the
pickings the first half had two catches for fifteen yards.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Got to catch that. He's got to catch that ball.
He's got to get his hands out and he's got
he's got to catch it. He's long strong enough.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
You gotta give the dB credit because for once got
someone well yet because for once he read it and
broke on it in anticipation. That's why he couldn't get
his hands on it, because now the leverage is there
and he was able to meet him with the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So it's he's just said and done.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
But when the guy makes the move, he made a
good move, he made a good play, but he's looking
for it. That's why you go slug go because he
was looking for it. He jumped on it right away.
And then on the other side, flowing Oni gains the
same thing, the hooking lap hook and go. And the
guy he's still he's still looking at at at that.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Does Dak have enough time to throw the slug o?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
No, that's the other part of it. Yeah, you might
start with a sack.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
And that's that's the hindsight part of it, because when
you look at this game, Detroit came in defensively and
they played about as good as I've seen and I
look through all of their film Kansas City game. I mean,
you talk about pressure on the quarterback, this was the
first game where I just was I'm looking, I'm like, damn.
I obviously didn't see this defense well enough to understand
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that they could present that kind of pressure. Aq Muhammad
up front. Three three sacks in this game, and I
mean we had been talking about Nate Thomas and he struggled, right,
he struggled, but he wasn't by hisself in that struggle.
And it was there were points in and I think
they pointed out, it's like Detroit is just bringing more
guys than the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
All fours.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
Sometimes it was just four's and there was still a problem.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
Yeah, and that pressure just forced Dak off of his
reads and through and some Aaron throws. I think this
was one of the first games that I've seen all
year that I was like, damn d what was that,
you know, because he was dealing with that kind of pressure.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
To show you another example of the pressure, not only
the sacks, right, eleven quarterback hits and he had they
got credited with eleven passes defensed. So to me, when
you have that many passes being batted, you either don't
have time to read it out or you're trying to
force things, oh yeah in the coverage, right, because you're
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sort of desperate.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Well, they ended up they ended up with.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
I wrote it down between third down and fourth down,
they had seventeen of those in the game and they
only went eight of seven. Let me say, and Detroit
to show you where that what they were doing when
they gained their four hundred yards, they only had eight.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Third down plays.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Eight The first and second down that they were they
were killing.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
And that's where we were. We've always been good first
and second down. That's where we had made out improvements.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
And one of the things they did, and this was smart,
and it kind of countered that blitzing.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Early they started lying.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Gibbs wide as a receiver and sometimes it was three
wide and Gibbs out wide. Well, now somebody's got to
be in C receiver, somebody's got to be in single
coverage on him, and you can't run with them.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Was going inside and he was coming right behind them.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Right, And so your linebackers, if you're gonna blitz, well
then they're throwing right behind you. And the linebackers didn't
have a good night, I gotta say, but say y'all
that you were one possession away from tying the game up.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
And see, these are the kind of games that you
think about when you're on the road. It's always going
to be ugly. Your quarterback is always going to have
issues like that, when you're on the road, you still
come back.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You got three seventy nine.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
I'm sorry to me, that's just a football team showing
resiliency at that time, because on the road it ain't
gonna be pretty. And here you are, you still in
position to make a play to put you in the
ball game.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
And here's here's another one. You graciously were saved of
the safety. Now you got a punt from your two.
The guy hits a sixty two yard punt and they
let the guy return it nineteen yards, right, and they're
right back at it again, right coverage. Something's got to
happen with that special teams.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, in that case, your max protecting to make sure.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
That Yeah, well you know what they did. They doubled
the gunners. Both gunners got double and they were going, okay,
we're returning.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
This is going to be short.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah they did.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
It's sixty two yards.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
Hey, Coach Campbell, that to me, that puts puts his
fingerprint on that. The way his special teams is playing
that that reminds me of how coach Campbell.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Coaches, and they they excelled so well.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
When you can talk all that, you know, this is
a team that still showed me a lot uh in
this loss until.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
We got down to the end.
Speaker 9 (21:25):
And when you're waiting on when you're in a desperate
situation like we are, I would see any some things
can happen to where you go that was not supposed
to happen, and that that call, that passing offense call,
that was it.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Otherwise we're looking at a whole different ball game.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
And you know, if you think about when you dig
yourself a hole and you're three five and one, and
we knew what the next four games were, and you're
sitting there going, maybe we.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Could win three out of four. Would you take that?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
When you're going yeah, sure, But then when you win three,
well I want the fourth.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
One, two right now, six six?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
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Speaker 3 (24:44):
Do you remember what I tease?
Speaker 10 (24:46):
I know you teased something.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
We were talking about what's left on the Cowboys schedule.
They got four games left, right, Okay. What's interesting is
even having lost to the Lions. I'm just talking specific
about the Lions and the wild card race, and not
that it matters because there's more team obviously than the
Lions ahead of the Cowboys and the wild card race
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are sitting there at six six and one. If the
Cowboys win out, they get to ten six and one
for the Lions to be ahead of the Cowboys and
the wild card race, they got to win three out
of the last four games. They got it because of
the Cowboys tie.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They've got.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
The Lions have to get to eleven wins and they're
sitting there at eight and five right now. They still
got to win three out of four just to finish
ahead of the Cowboys. If the Cowboys went out, which
is what everybody in this room is hoping for, this
makes mix shots.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
More interesting or is required of them, yeah, right, if
they want to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, And how big is the Eagles Chargers.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Game on Monday night?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Now, all of the games are big now, but you
think about it from this perspective. But from this perspective,
if the the Eagles lose to the Chargers on Monday night,
if the Cowboys went out, Eagles split their last four games,
Cowboys win the.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Division because they stayed play Buffalo and then Washington twice,
and who knows what that team's going to show.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But if the Eagles beat the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Then the Eagles only all they had to do is
win one more game.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
And that's why this game is so disappointing, because you
knew that you were going to start getting into all
those scenarios and it's going to get even more murky
in the next couple week. You're going to have so
much ink in that pad right there. From talking about
how the Cowboys can qualify, I particularly wanted to ask
about Savonne Revel and really just try and figure out
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from a confidence standpoint with him and make you were
there in the stadium just to see the different that
it is it his confidence, Is it him not being
fully ready or just saying that he's you know, ninety
right now.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
As a Now let me piggyback off of that. Uh,
there's a great question. And I did tape the Brian
Schottenheimer show right before doing this, and one thing that
he said about the defense, which was obvious, but he
did say it. Uh, he felt like they were we
were too soft on defense.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
We played them too.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Soft, and that I think probably factors into the answer
on the rookie civil rebel.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
So then and.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Absence of pressure, think about the one he got beat.
Was it Williams all the way across the field?
Speaker 10 (27:36):
That was Bell? Oh? That was Bell.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
There was another one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, they had they had a couple of them.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
That was That was the game plan all day to
throw the ball. He sort of reminded you that against
these really good receivers. He is a rookie and only
in his fourth NFL game. And I told somebody, I said,
what did you expect Everson Walls out there being eleven interceptions?
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And they go well, and I said to all, well,
he didn't have two tall Jones out there, you.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Know, And I was joking that what you have is.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
I don't like the technique of opening up your hips
and allowing them to go across the field. I'd rather
you give them the sideline because if you go across
the field, I mean, if what we saw with Billy
Wide way back in nineteen eighty, that's why Tom Landys
came up with the flex and putting us inside shoulder,
because you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Let give him that the entire field across. You just
don't want to give him that. They can keep on running.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
That could be a touchdown, just like it was back
in nineteen eighty against the rams. That's why you have
to play inside, leverage on crossing routes.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Who's over there? No one?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
You got no safety to help, no one's there.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So I don't understand the technique itself.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
We did this a lot last year, just open it
up and letting the guys go across the What makes
them think that's help there? Those kind of things you
know in crucial situations. Now the offense may have made them,
you know, make those type of adjustments, predictable adjustments for that.
But when you know that you have half, you have
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the entire field of costs from you and no help inside.
As a defender, you should always leverage yourself better.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Got no arguments with you there.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Well, okay, but Everson, you being the should be in
the Hall of Fame cornerback that you are, as far
as Revel and him coming off the injury being a rookie,
how should we feel about where Revel is right now?
Speaker 9 (29:45):
We can feel good about where he is right now.
But you don't want this to be a pattern. You
don't want this to be Okay, this guy continuously does this.
Now you're looking at kind of how Carson started off
last year. Nobody had any confidence in because it kept
messing up the same way every time. So they're gonna
pick on you, but you gotta do with what we
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did Thermo Steves.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Eventually, did they pick on the undrafted rookie?
Speaker 9 (30:11):
Uh, they sure did. That worked for about eight games,
and then after that. Now you get more picks, fewer
big plays. You're gonna if you're gonna get beat, but
you gotta get yours. You gotta get yours. You can't
continue to just sit back there and say, oh, there's
nothing I can do.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I wasn't supposed to be getting picks.
Speaker 9 (30:30):
That's what Charlie was called me a martian because I'm like,
you know what, forget this technique, because the technique.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Was the weakness of the defense. I'm not going with that.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Let let me just work on my one on one
skills every once in a while, you know, to where
you just break the mold. Okay, let's not. Let's not
just open it up for him to the outside. I
can read that route. Let me jump that. Then of
course they're gonna counter and say, okay, you're gonna jump that,
then we're gonna take it to the house. So you
get those kind of things where you have to play.
(31:01):
You know, it's cat and mouse, it's catn mouse with offense.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
And that's where the adjustments come in. And that's what
I'm saying for a guy like Savone Revel and you
recognize their golf is going after him right now. And
I think Mickey talked about it earlier about pressure and
what pressure does for your secondary. Well, if you're not
getting there some kind of way, you're gonna have to
generate it. And if you're not generating enough pressure, then
(31:24):
the coverage on the back end is going to have
to change. And that's where you're talking about those free releases.
And there were a couple. It wasn't just him though,
and I'm not I want to just point even deron Bland.
Even Bland had his moments where you're like, what, wait
a minute, what is that? And look Jameson Williams and
Alman Rod Saint Brown who miraculously recover himself himself, you know,
(31:52):
I mean, if somebody's healing hands on his ankle. But
I'm telling you those guys and even though he was
playing you know, possession receptions scenes like that, our secondary
just truly never had an answer for them. And the
speed component that they brought to the table. We talk
about Jamiir, Gibbs, James and Williams. What and what he
I mean number all.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Of them had yackt all of them had yack.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
And so you can get beat on the play, but
you have to be in position to make the play.
And we weren't even in position to stop the act.
They kept on going.
Speaker 10 (32:24):
You've been talking about that all year, the lack of
tackling or just the execution when it comes down to it,
and that's a won't to thing. You got to get
where he catches. It doesn't mean that he can gain
another get him right there.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, it's ten yards open, and there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
That's the problem.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
How about this he GoF through thirty four passes. They
had one pass defense one, so they're not closed in coverage.
These guys were open, just open.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
So they had one, two, three, four, five guys his
average double digit average per.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Catch five that came from the Yet.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Yeah, they were running and they got speed, and I
understand that. Okay, so now you got to score with them,
and they were.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Scoring with them. They just couldn't stop them.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Bottom line forty four points that tied the season high.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Right, they gave up forty four to.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
Denver.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah, that didn't turn out well either, now that sure did,
did it because they didn't even score to make that a.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
That a game.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
And this is after you gave up what sixteen twenty one.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
Twenty eight?
Speaker 8 (33:39):
So I think when I did my deal, I said, oh,
seems like old times.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
But guys, this is the kind of game you expect
on the road. Yeah, it's another desk.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
Well I had thirty five thirty one.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, you saw our scores. Yeah, so we knew it
was gonna be tough.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
And once again, you can't depend on referees anybody else
to help them.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
You can't turn all the situation time.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And you can't shoot yourself in the foot exactly.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
When they only had did they have one turnover? Does
the block field goal count as a turnover?
Speaker 10 (34:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Probably not. It's not a takeaway, right, No.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
But it was good. You know, early off, I thought
we had golf. You know, he wasn't in his bag,
he wasn't, you know, completing those long throws. And it
felt it felt like the defense, although offensively we didn't
get a lot of things going, it felt like the
defense was still you never felt like the game was
away from you. Even at halftime. It's twenty to nine, right, like, look,
(34:34):
it's still feeling good, still feeling good. And I've even
when the way that we opened up the game with
the interception and then giving up the seven points, I
just felt like, look, if we can just stop shooting
ourselves in the foot, and like you said, you can't
rely on the referees to save you. All you can
do is save yourself. And we never got to that point.
(34:55):
And I'm telling you, as much as I've glowed about
quinnn Williams, as much I've glowed about old Sa Diggie
Zua in that job, I got to give credit to
the Lions in their offensive line that was shorthanded. Bill,
you talked about the injuries that they had. The game
plan was simple, I'm gonna run it on you, and
that thirty five yard long run from David Montgomery just
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was like the exclamation point to their running game because
it was like, look and credit Dan, and credit Dan
Campbell for not getting in his own way. They didn't
go for it on fourth downs, they didn't use they
didn't go they didn't well, no, they did.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It was like to at least two times where.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
You thought he was right it was fourth and five
a couple of times, and he didn't. He settled for
he settled for the field goal. He did down on
the goal line and he got out of his own way.
And this is one of those games where I anticipated
he was gonna make that mistake and give the ball
back to us and maybe surrender the momentum that he
had built up. He never did that.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
So and we still had a big chance. I mean
legitimate chance. I don't mean like, oh, three scores, we
can go three scores.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
In ten minutes. No, we All we need to do
was keep pace, and we were doing that. I wasn't worried.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
They were holding them at bay until the it was
what it was, third and five at the ten, they
got the sack that was almost the safety, yeah, and
then they got the punt, great punt, but they didn't
cover it.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
And then they scored.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
They came down and scored and took a ten to
three lead. And now you were chasing the lead the
entire game.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
But we were doing that just fine. Yeah, we're doing
They were chasing fine, and we were we were catching.
We were catching.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
You're not winning very many games when they don't get
to fourth down, but twice in a game, Yeah, they
had two punts and no fourth down plays, I mean
no fourth down going forth on fourth down, so they
only got to fourth down twice.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
Well on that fourth and fourth and goal I believe
it was, and he kicked the field goal. I'm like, man,
somebody need to make sure that's Dan Campbell over there,
because that ain't him. That's not his mo. He does
not do that. But something you alluded to earlier, Mickey,
was the kickoffs, And I don't know what has to
change in that, whether you use your starters or whatever
(37:15):
you got to do, but you can be the steel
curtain on the two thousand Baltimore Ravens and you're giving
up getting the ball at midfield. Man, you're gonna have
to put in a special defensive performance to stop a
team if you just.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Because all you need is ten to fifteen yards and
you're at least in field goal range.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
I got a solution to it.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Put the damn ball in the end zone and let
him have it at the thirty four.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
At that point that you're already giving up half the field,
and that's the only thing.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
You should have given it up at the fifty or
forty or whatever it was.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's just awful.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
And then be clarified, they only got to four down
twice when they weren't in field goal range.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
But half the field field goal range anymore? What even
for Detroit, you just get past midfield and your infield goal.
Speaker 10 (38:03):
But Bill, if you watch the Detroit Lions football enough,
you recognize that in those situations, they don't settle for
field goals. They're gonna Campbell's gonna go for it. So
him not doing that last night, I really like difference
the spots.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
And if you break it all down, and the difference
in the game are the two turnovers. The fumble by
Ferguson and the interception to start the third quarter gave
them the football which they were able to convert and otherwise.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
And the bogus p I call the bogus PI call.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I'm not getting I'm not letting you go, but.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You're still not down score.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
I almost put my white hat to man.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
But and you still had to get a stop after that.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I understand that, But damn things would you still got
to do?
Speaker 9 (38:52):
I have to score here, I have to score a
touchdown here, they were going to score a touchdown there,
they need a touchdown.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
There in the face mass penalty, We face mas penalty
on George Pickings and he wouldn't let go. Yeah, I mean,
but that's how many times do you see that in
the course of a football game. But that's not called.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Biggest play in the game might have been the hands
to the face on Ferguson. That was a fifty yard penalty.
It literally was a fifty yard penalty forty nine yards yep,
because you had the passe interferers down on the goal
line and instead the it was offsetting penalties, off seting
(39:29):
to upsetting.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
That's what I thought was going to happen on the
on the bogus call because I saw two flags in
the field. I guess they both saw the same thing.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I don't know that that literally that won't won't show
up any box score. But that was a fifty yard penalty.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah all right.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I wonder how we did on our picks to click
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Speaker 5 (42:23):
Okay, I'm going to be at at and T Stadium
tomorrow morning at eleven am.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
A is tailgating.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
I'm going to get there early. I don't know we'll
be tailgating. I guess I will try to beat the traffic.
Going as a fan with my wife, a Texas tech grad,
and another couple. We're gonna go watch the Red Raiders
and by U and the Oh.
Speaker 11 (42:45):
I bet he has sweet tickets, don't you?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
My Actually, my brother in law has sweet tickets, but
he did not invite his sister, oh father in law
to join us sweet.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Apparently I'm all.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
Blasts right now, qright around Christmas time to wow.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
And he just stayed at our house last week and
I extended what is normally a forty eight hour rule
that I impose on him whenever they visit. I graciously
extended it to seventy two hours and still didn't give
me it.
Speaker 11 (43:15):
But it ain't invite you to the not invite next time,
it's gonna be seven hours. You're out, bro, I don't
care how long you drove.
Speaker 10 (43:24):
Hey, don't don't.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Don't went from love.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
Don't you Let Chris talk about not inviting somebody to
a suite. He's the king of non invited a lot
of people in this building won't invite you to this
brow brow just.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
Saying the Harrisons have been to a beam suite before.
Speaker 10 (43:42):
Yes, we have that.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Just like a parking passion myself.
Speaker 10 (43:45):
That's it, that's it, right? Can I get close to
parking pass?
Speaker 14 (43:48):
Uh?
Speaker 10 (43:48):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
A parking pass in general, I would period. Yeah, okay.
My pick to click was to Marvey on overshown.
Speaker 10 (43:56):
That didn't work.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, why are you even going over this? I get
it if anybody's going to get it, because.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
I got every week you got okay, ye, Aubreys Abby
from now.
Speaker 7 (44:09):
No, heck is not going with Jack da off the
seven tackles.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
In fact, shot Shottenheimer.
Speaker 11 (44:19):
It's probably a safety land.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
I mean the next was rebl.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
That's a trend.
Speaker 10 (44:30):
Now don't ask.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
For another word please, And you can't go with Ferguson
at all.
Speaker 10 (44:34):
Listen, here's the deal. Here's the deal with listen. Ever
since I am going Look, I have rolled the fur
Kittle Kelsey train, not this man. I'm running out of cold.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
That was hard.
Speaker 10 (44:47):
I'm running out of coal on this train. Man, Williams.
Speaker 6 (44:50):
I thought you have wearing the ball.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah you know you did. Okay, you're okay.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
He's got a thousand yards.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
When you fall behind by eighteen points.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
Takes him out of the game. That It's kind of funny.
He scored on a one yard touchdown and that was
the thousandth yard.
Speaker 11 (45:05):
Yeah, that's what he was at nine nine or nine.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
They said that last night.
Speaker 10 (45:09):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
Who do you have, Bill, who'd you show?
Speaker 10 (45:13):
You have over?
Speaker 11 (45:13):
Show all right?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Didn't have it and start taking a whole bunch of
people off the.
Speaker 11 (45:17):
Oh you guy picked a Texas guy.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
That's crazy and that's why we lost.
Speaker 10 (45:21):
Well, because you know he can't he can't keep picking
Kenneth Murray. Well, don't, Chris.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Ken's going the wrong one.
Speaker 10 (45:30):
Ken Burdy didn't have his best game either.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Yeah, I went, I went, You got the snap council,
the linebackers.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
I didn't print it out.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Well, I've got him somewhere.
Speaker 10 (45:40):
But man, it was rough man. That one move. Kenneth
Murray almost came out of socks. It was a body field.
Oh my god.
Speaker 8 (45:50):
In one hundred and twenty yards total total offense and
three touchdowns, it's pretty good.
Speaker 10 (45:56):
I'm bad.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I'm sorry. I'm proud of my catfore good job.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
Before the game, in their notes, they pointed out that
both Williams and Gibbs over these three season twenty three,
twenty four, twenty five all had more than thirty rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Think about that.
Speaker 10 (46:18):
It's a lot. It's a Montgomery and kid. Yeah, that
them together. Man, that one that long run from Montgomery
I was like, we just we can't give up a
long run to that guy.
Speaker 9 (46:30):
I'm still not scared of these guys. I'm sorry, No
US can play these guys.
Speaker 10 (46:35):
Man, I was impressed with that linebackers. Man, I go
back to Detroit. I'm sorry that ticks you off a
little bit. I can tell that takes you off a
little bit. But man, these guys we're better than that. Hey,
they scored forty on us. Again, what was the last game?
We lost forty? We messed ourselves up, we shot ourselves.
But still no, no, no, I'm talking about last year. Wheneve
forty seven. So I mean it's a forty birth.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Throwout, throwout.
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Last year's getting it out. When Dak doesn't play, I
don't care. Jack doesn't play.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (47:06):
The guy that really kind of ruined things for him
was that Campbell guy.
Speaker 10 (47:10):
He's a Dan Campbell, the linebacker.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Is he the linebacker?
Speaker 10 (47:14):
Yeah? The linebacker? He played his butt off Jack.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
Campbell, Jack Campbell, first round draft pick out all that's
the one that remember the Lions go against what is
draft protocol? Oh? He took a running back in the
first round. Oh, they took a middle linebacker in the
first round. You can't do that. And there you happen
to be there two of their best man.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
So he had twelve tackles, one sack, one tackle for loss,
one quarterback hit, one force fumble and.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
That was the Ferguson fumble.
Speaker 10 (47:43):
Yeah, you think he's going to be the NFC Player
of the Week.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Sure he is right now, right now after what's the
top of the list.
Speaker 10 (47:53):
I thought we were done with that trend. That's the
tren I thought we had broken.
Speaker 8 (47:56):
And Angeloney had three passes broke up.
Speaker 10 (48:01):
Yeah, the guy with the locks man he was everywhere.
Speaker 8 (48:05):
And I didn't even know, and I guess I'm guilty
of not studying. But Muhammad let him with three sacks.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
The former Cowboy.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yeah what Quadon Muhammad was with the Cowboys in training
camp last year. It's like a late pickup or it
was in the middle of camp. They picked him up
and then they cut him whatever and everybody else.
Speaker 10 (48:29):
You're supposed to go, oh, that Muhammad. That's how I
playing off me. Yes, he was.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
And Mickey as we closed this outing that we go
back in the way back machine. Do you remember Klois
Box Detroit Lion Klois Box. Well, Jamiir Gibbs in last
Night's game became the uh second player in Lion's history
to produce three games in a single season with three
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or more touchdowns. He joined Klois Box in nineteen fifty two.
Why am I bringing this up? The great Klois Box
who owned the Klois Box Ranch at the corner of
Preston Road in Main Street and right here in Frisco, Texas,
the site of the original South Fork Ranch location where
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the first five episodes of Dallas were filmed in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 13 (49:32):
Eight, Bill, how'd you the rest of the story?
Speaker 10 (49:36):
How did you do that? How did that happen? How
did you do that?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
I just I recognized the name Klois Box.
Speaker 6 (49:41):
And then did he play for the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (49:44):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
So, I don't believe so.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
I figure that was going to be the next shooted No.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
But about high school? Yeah, yeah, high school? He went
to Waco High School. He's from Jonesboro, Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
I thought you were going to tell me Joe Joe
Don Looney.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
That was he was.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
He was actually later than Klois Box. But anyway, Klois
Box is a famous name, and in fact, he is
a big reason why Frisco, Texas has become what Frisco
Texas is. He was Citizen of the Year in Frisco,
Texas in nineteen eighty six. And now you know how
you become the rest year.
Speaker 10 (50:21):
I don't even I'm just trying to figure out.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
All right, there was one thing to be thankful for
last night. It was an indoor game.
Speaker 10 (50:32):
Oh when we.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Were getting ooh, I heard, I heard it was.
Speaker 6 (50:37):
Eight degrees eight degrees, yeah, games there was There was
snow flurries on when we landed Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (50:45):
Right, couldn't see the ground. It was a minute to go,
and I'm going, how's he seeing? I hope that thing
works owhere?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Right?
Speaker 8 (50:54):
And then we're getting ready to land and all of
a sudden I hear him gun it and it was
one minute land.
Speaker 11 (51:00):
Now it's three.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Now it's fight. The landing the runway was.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Busy, well, I was about to land this show and
then Mickey just landing with that and so now we're
going to.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Land real indicative how the two days.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
With all right, here we are, we're landing with landing.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
Here we go and go Red Raiders tomorrow at at
and t Stadium and have a great mini by weekend.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Everybody Go Cowboys.
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Here are Bill Jones, Hecma, Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, bro, and it's time for.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Not a fight song Friday edition of Mixshot. Instead, we're
looking forward to the Big twelve Championship game tomorrow. Welcome,
Hecma says, Come on in, do it. We're gonna discuss things.
Bill Jones, Everson Walls, Heckma, Harrison, and the star of
our show, Mickey Spagnola, who, along with producers Supreme Chris Beam,
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working on fumes.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Right now, right, sleep deprived?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Sleep deprived? What time did the charter land? And what
time did you get to bed?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Got to bed at five o'clock?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Okay, I don't think producer Supreme ever got to bed,
because he's up here bright and early.
Speaker 7 (01:22):
He got the first podcast of.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The day at eight am, so.
Speaker 8 (01:25):
He slept for an hour okay here and a half
before a robo call came in.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Okay, turn my ringer off.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Another Cowboys slept walk through the first portion of Yes,
last night's game typical came on strong towards the end,
but we got a lot to discuss here, and so Everson,
would you like to start us off with your first
take on what happened on Thursday night?
Speaker 9 (01:50):
When you talk about not having your destiny in your
own hands, it's up to someone else to do something
right or do something wrong for you correct him. We're
looking at not just worrying about different teams across the NFC,
but you also have to look at how any particular referee.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Might call a game. Huh. I mean it's in their hands.
It's in their hands.
Speaker 9 (02:20):
A referee could have a terrible day, but just so
happened that terrible day he has could make it a
terrible day for you. So there are times when everybody's
doing their job and then all it takes is one
guy to just blink for one unfortunate second and make
a crappy call like what we saw in the game
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last night. Not just crappy but crucial, I mean crucial,
crappy call. And so that's what we've always when things
are always going bad here at the start, it's usually
a referee that seems to.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just power it on. That's when it's not in.
Speaker 9 (03:00):
That's why I don't like having to play from a
desperate situation trying to get yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Into the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (03:07):
Yeah, I will start with just what you just ended with,
with a desperate situation. It came into the game knowing
that you had a team that needed to play desperate
to keep their destiny in their hands. And it wasn't
a night where we could talk. We're gonna talk about
the penalties and all of that, but when you start
to shoot yourself in the foot at a point in
the game where you're going up against a average to
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good team and not a team that's going to reciprocate
with those penalties. And of course Detroit had those penalties
in the first half, but you can't put yourself behind
the eight ball the way that the Cowboys did on
those first and long third and laws with those simple penalties.
But at the end of the day, we talked about
all of their weaponry that Detroit had, and I think
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guys like Jamiir Gibbs showed you why he's as valuable
as as he is to them. It wasn't just what
he did out of the backfield, but also what he
did as wide receiver. We seemingly didn't have any answers
for that, and football is a game of adjustments. Those
adjustments just didn't come fast enough in this game to
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stop the onslaught offensively for what Detroit did I think? Look,
if you had told me it showed me that the
Cowboys are going to score thirty points in this game,
I would have thought going into this game that surely
we would have held them to seventeen. Right, Oh no,
But I'm talking about with the way that your defense
had advanced over the last couple of games, and with
the addition of Quinn Williams, but we knew. We talked
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about how our linebackers had to play superb. I mean,
they had to be on their p's and q's. And
we've had bad linebacker play in the past, but this
was probably again one of those games that you just say, man,
linebacker play was a Busins wasn't good at all. And
it's going up against guys like Jamier Gibbs and David Montgomery.
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You could not afford to have your worst day.
Speaker 9 (04:59):
We talked about the the speed in which he was
going to hit the hole. We talked about all of
that last week, our linebackers were not able to meet
him in that hole. Uh, not only that, you saw
at times our alignement going up the field opening up
things as well to where the hole was too big
for the linebacker to even cover. Yeah, so too much space.
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We went back to those things to where we weren't
we weren't organized, We didn't play together, we didn't fill
those gaps in a uniform way. And that's why all
those those those those avenues were there.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, Mickey, it's your turn, all right. You just sighed.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
You had a quarterback throw for three hundred and seventy
six yards. You had an offense game four hundred and
seventeen yards, and with three thirty five left, you're only
down thirty seven to thirty, right, and you get beat
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forty four to thirty. The defense obviously was not the
defense we'd been seeing. They struggled, The offense had some
self inflicted wounds. Special teams was horrendous in coverage and
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even as bad in trying to block for kickoff returns.
Something's got to change there with both of those units.
If you've got to start putting starters out there, put
them out there, because this ain't getting it. Their starting
possessions were absolutely ridiculous. They averaged the forty one yard line,
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Cowboys averaged twenty eight. That's thirteen yards difference, right, and consistently,
so you think you're catching up up they got it
the thirty twenty seven, and then you give up a
forty five.
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yard kickoff return.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
They're scoring drives forty four yards, forty two yards, fifty
three yards, forty five yards, fourteen yards, forty yards, fifty
nine and fifty one. They're just playing half the field
because mostly now you had the turnovers, I get it,
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but mostly it was kickoff returns, and every time you
caught up. And here was the hard part about this one.
If you think about their history during this entire season,
they've always had to come from behind to win.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
They dig a hole.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
They dig a hole three five and one, right, dig
a hole twenty one to nothing. Look at the Packers
game when they tied, they were down thirteen twenty sixteen,
twenty seven to twenty three, thirty four thirty right, So
in this one they get down again and then they
teased us because it's like.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
All right, this is right where they need to be.
Speaker 8 (08:10):
Then they're gonna come back, and they get back, and
then they're down thirty twenty seven. Then they're down thirty
seven thirty, and you're going, okay, one stop, You're gonna
score because they can't stop you unless.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
You stop yourself.
Speaker 8 (08:23):
And this time, as I wanted to kind of quote
Marvin Gay, the mountain was too high and they couldn't
get back in.
Speaker 11 (08:36):
He said, this mountain is too high.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Like that, let them handle the references.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I had it right.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
They just what I was saying, we have to get
it ain't supposed to for the brothers.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
It ain't supposed to be too high to prevent.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
So yeah, I think that had to be the frustrating
part of that whole night. Hey, Detroit's good, right, they
got a lot of speed. But again, you were right there.
And what do I tell you about field goals? You
want to repeat it more?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
You kick the.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Closer yard of losing five field goals? Now some you
got to kick right sixty three yards? Okay, great, that's
a bonus, right.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Fifty seven yard fifty seven. He turns around, kicks a
fifty seven yard field going. Then he has to make
the tackle on this.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yes, yes, let's not get him hurt, let's not get
him made.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
And having said that, on special teams with the kickoff returns,
the running backs made two tackles on kickoff returns.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Malik Davis, where's everybody else?
Speaker 6 (09:56):
What are they doing? That?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
That was awful?
Speaker 8 (09:59):
That was just awful And I thought that was the
most disappointing part.
Speaker 12 (10:04):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
And then, as you pointed out, you get yourself in
these situations and some guy wants to invent an offensive
pass interference on you, Well, okay, that's you know, that's the.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Way it goes.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Thing's gonna happen.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
The guy invented a call, right.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
That was crazy.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
Sean Hackley is his name, and we should basically call
him out.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's a sign.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
That's the sign Sean, Yeah, Seaan Hackley. That was That
was That was egregious. But at the same time, it's
like you you see a referee make a call like that,
and then they come and huddle.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Up and somebody tells them.
Speaker 10 (10:41):
Like you think somebody's something's gonna happen, where somebody smart
is gonna say you know what, the smart smart person
is gonna say, I think we shouldn't make this call
because it's gonna be the first ever call of its kind,
if we make it right here, crazy.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Guy, guys holding Ferguson's leg.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You that to offensive passing affairs? And then how did that?
Speaker 6 (11:05):
How do you haven't you heard.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Of I'm swimming, I'm I'm just dumbfounded. How did this
is a joke? There's no way, I mean he said
offensive passing affairs? He didn't even I'm like, just maybe
you pick up the flag offensive passing affairs?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
How is how are we here?
Speaker 8 (11:25):
That?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Just that just blew my mind. Man, that blew my mind.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
I think I said in the press box, you gotta
be kidding me a little too loud, because man.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It's like, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 7 (11:36):
I thought it was the call p I only past
interference the game.
Speaker 11 (11:42):
We go, right, we go.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
But you let yourself into situations like that, into situations
like the Holden call.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Pick play where the d B jumped in the way in.
Speaker 10 (11:55):
The absolutely he jumped in.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
What are they looking at?
Speaker 10 (12:00):
And most in most dvs, in that situation where they
know that rud Rowt's coming, they're gonna try and step
in front of that anyway, try and step over the
top of it, you know. But he was patient enough
in recognizing that it was coming, and he baited him
and he.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Took a charge.
Speaker 10 (12:14):
He did, That's exactly what he did. And and you know,
it's it's a similar to the NBA arguing fouls in
the NBA and they say, you know, let's go review it.
It's never really over overturned ever. But in this situation
must have been sucking all week. Well, they can't find
you ever since for saying that.
Speaker 8 (12:33):
But Jack car he goes, can I say that without
getting fine?
Speaker 13 (12:38):
Because he said that was bad? That was horrible bad?
It was, It was horrible. But I think when you're
having the kind of night that the Cowboys were having,
those penalties don't do anything but just magnifying the problems
that you're already having. Offensively, you're out of rhythm, you're
out of sorts, you're trying to play catch up. You're
still trying to stay committed to your running game, which
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I think Shotty did a good job of doing that.
And at the point that Ceedee Lamb went.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
Down and and and you don't know if you guys
felt it, because it was like the momentum was going
back and forth, but it was at that moment when
Ceedee Lamb went down and it was like, Oh.
Speaker 9 (13:15):
He ain't coming in. He ain't coming back in. He
ain't coming back in. You know that's what got me.
He ain't coming he's not coming back in. I'm like, Okay,
he'll be back, but he's not coming back.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
That just then Ryan Flanoy stepped up big time.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
Right for the most If there's any silver lining to
this game, that is that Ryan Flanoy is.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
And they finally threw a pass at Mingo. He was
active and it went right off his hands.
Speaker 10 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know, don't even get me started with you know,
we've been trying.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
Come on, man, I know what y'all want to talk about.
Y'all want to talk about Ferguson, y'all want to talk.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
About going on here? I need my guys. Man, happened?
What happened?
Speaker 10 (14:03):
First?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Man? What happened?
Speaker 8 (14:06):
He's got to start realizing he's not a two hundred
and eighty pound tight end trying to drag three guys
along with them.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
You caught the pass, go down, go down.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
But everybody needs to take that on that. But we
saw that a few weeks ago with Javonte at the
end of a game where he was trying to get
Also he's tackled, he's tackled.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm just go down and pickins.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Also focusing did he fumbled again last?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
This is another time pickings in this game.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
It happened to get be recovered right in the intro
and whoever recovered it, but it went back to the
two yard line. But if the Lions recover that, the
Lions get that ball. And but it again, it was
just trying to get trying to do too much in.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
The last three games, and everybody's doing.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
And then you get a hand down to the face
when the pass got down to what was inside the ten.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Yard line, and it was he did it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
He will let go.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
But again they're not good enough not to be kind
of close to perfect. They got whooped up front, offensive line,
got whooped defensive line. After the first two possessions made
no difference in the game whatsoever.
Speaker 9 (15:20):
And I was looking forward to that halftime adjustment.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, and we did not. We did not.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Well, if you didn't throw an interception on the first play,
you know you do.
Speaker 10 (15:30):
You got a third.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You have to come back with a running play.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
You don't start your series off with a passing play.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well after that you're right, come.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
On, man, let's just.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Run the ball. Let's just come on out and run
the ball.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
And if you're going to come out and throw the ball,
because everyone's thinking, okay, how aggressive we're going to be,
I'm not gonna come out with a slant.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I come out with a slant and go. That's when
you go with the slug o.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Schotenneimer said after the game.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I should have gone with he should have gone with
his love. He said that. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
Man, he blamed the media for putting out how well
they've done on slipt.
Speaker 10 (16:08):
Please use that.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Use it against him, because that's all we did Hickens
on the sled.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Use it against him. I mean, come on, it was
out there.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Schottenheimer was joking because he's the one actually brought it
up in the press conference. I mean, that's what they do.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And it was the.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
First play of the third quarter and Pickens and the
pickings the first half had two catches for fifteen yards.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Got to catch that. He's got to catch that ball.
He's got to get his hands out and he's got
he's got to catch it. He's long strong enough.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
You gotta give the dB credit because for once got
someone well yet because for once he read it and
broke on it in anticipation. That's why he couldn't get
his hands on it, because now the leverage is there
and he was able to meet him with the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So it's he's just said and done.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
But when the guy makes the move, he made a
good move, he made a good play, but he's looking
for it. That's why you go slug go because he
was looking for it. He jumped on it right away.
And then on the other side, flowing Oni gains the
same thing, the hooking lap hook and go. And the
guy he's still he's still looking at at at that.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Does Dak have enough time to throw the slug o?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
No, that's the other part of it. Yeah, you might
start with a sack.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
And that's that's the hindsight part of it, because when
you look at this game, Detroit came in defensively and
they played about as good as I've seen and I
look through all of their film Kansas City game. I mean,
you talk about pressure on the quarterback, this was the
first game where I just was I'm looking, I'm like, damn.
I obviously didn't see this defense well enough to understand
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that they could present that kind of pressure. Aq Muhammad
up front. Three three sacks in this game, and I
mean we had been talking about Nate Thomas and he struggled, right,
he struggled, but he wasn't by hisself in that struggle.
And it was there were points in and I think
they pointed out, it's like Detroit is just bringing more
guys than the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
All fours.
Speaker 9 (18:04):
Sometimes it was just four's and there was still a problem.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
Yeah, and that pressure just forced Dak off of his
reads and through and some Aaron throws. I think this
was one of the first games that I've seen all
year that I was like, damn d what was that,
you know, because he was dealing with that kind of pressure.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
To show you another example of the pressure, not only
the sacks, right, eleven quarterback hits and he had they
got credited with eleven passes defensed. So to me, when
you have that many passes being batted, you either don't
have time to read it out or you're trying to
force things, oh yeah in the coverage, right, because you're
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sort of desperate.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Well, they ended up they ended up with.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
I wrote it down between third down and fourth down,
they had seventeen of those in the game and they
only went eight of seven. Let me say, and Detroit
to show you where that what they were doing when
they gained their four hundred yards, they only had eight.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Third down plays.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Eight The first and second down that they were they
were killing.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
And that's where we were. We've always been good first
and second down. That's where we had made out improvements.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
And one of the things they did, and this was smart,
and it kind of countered that blitzing.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Early they started lying.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Gibbs wide as a receiver and sometimes it was three
wide and Gibbs out wide. Well, now somebody's got to
be in C receiver, somebody's got to be in single
coverage on him, and you can't run with them.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Was going inside and he was coming right behind them.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Right, And so your linebackers, if you're gonna blitz, well
then they're throwing right behind you. And the linebackers didn't
have a good night, I gotta say, but say y'all
that you were one possession away from tying the game up.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
And see, these are the kind of games that you
think about when you're on the road. It's always going
to be ugly. Your quarterback is always going to have
issues like that, when you're on the road, you still
come back.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
You got three seventy nine.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
I'm sorry to me, that's just a football team showing
resiliency at that time, because on the road it ain't
gonna be pretty. And here you are, you still in
position to make a play to put you in the
ball game.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
And here's here's another one. You graciously were saved of
the safety. Now you got a punt from your two.
The guy hits a sixty two yard punt and they
let the guy return it nineteen yards, right, and they're
right back at it again, right coverage. Something's got to
happen with that special teams.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, in that case, your max protecting to make sure.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
That Yeah, well you know what they did. They doubled
the gunners. Both gunners got double and they were going, okay,
we're returning.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
This is going to be short.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah they did.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
It's sixty two yards.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
Hey, Coach Campbell, that to me, that puts puts his
fingerprint on that. The way his special teams is playing
that that reminds me of how coach Campbell.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Coaches, and they they excelled so well.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
When you can talk all that, you know, this is
a team that still showed me a lot uh in
this loss until.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
We got down to the end.
Speaker 9 (21:25):
And when you're waiting on when you're in a desperate
situation like we are, I would see any some things
can happen to where you go that was not supposed
to happen, and that that call, that passing offense call,
that was it.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Otherwise we're looking at a whole different ball game.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
And you know, if you think about when you dig
yourself a hole and you're three five and one, and
we knew what the next four games were, and you're
sitting there going, maybe we.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Could win three out of four. Would you take that?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
When you're going yeah, sure, But then when you win three,
well I want the fourth.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
One, two right now, six six?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I had it. I had it, Yeah, not a dream, No,
I had it. I was there. It's right where we
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Speaker 3 (24:44):
Do you remember what I tease?
Speaker 10 (24:46):
I know you teased something.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
We were talking about what's left on the Cowboys schedule.
They got four games left, right, Okay. What's interesting is
even having lost to the Lions. I'm just talking specific
about the Lions and the wild card race, and not
that it matters because there's more team obviously than the
Lions ahead of the Cowboys and the wild card race
but even after beating the Cowboys last night, the Cowboys
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are sitting there at six six and one. If the
Cowboys win out, they get to ten six and one
for the Lions to be ahead of the Cowboys and
the wild card race, they got to win three out
of the last four games. They got it because of
the Cowboys tie.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
They've got.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
The Lions have to get to eleven wins and they're
sitting there at eight and five right now. They still
got to win three out of four just to finish
ahead of the Cowboys. If the Cowboys went out, which
is what everybody in this room is hoping for, this
makes mix shots.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
More interesting or is required of them, yeah, right, if
they want to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, And how big is the Eagles Chargers.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Game on Monday night?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Now, all of the games are big now, but you
think about it from this perspective. But from this perspective,
if the the Eagles lose to the Chargers on Monday night,
if the Cowboys went out, Eagles split their last four games,
Cowboys win the.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
Division because they stayed play Buffalo and then Washington twice,
and who knows what that team's going to show.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But if the Eagles beat the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Then the Eagles only all they had to do is
win one more game.
Speaker 10 (26:20):
And that's why this game is so disappointing, because you
knew that you were going to start getting into all
those scenarios and it's going to get even more murky
in the next couple week. You're going to have so
much ink in that pad right there. From talking about
how the Cowboys can qualify, I particularly wanted to ask
about Savonne Revel and really just try and figure out
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from a confidence standpoint with him and make you were
there in the stadium just to see the different that
it is it his confidence, Is it him not being
fully ready or just saying that he's you know, ninety
right now.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
As a Now let me piggyback off of that. Uh,
there's a great question. And I did tape the Brian
Schottenheimer show right before doing this, and one thing that
he said about the defense, which was obvious, but he
did say it. Uh, he felt like they were we
were too soft on defense.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
We played them too.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Soft, and that I think probably factors into the answer
on the rookie civil rebel.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
So then and.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Absence of pressure, think about the one he got beat.
Was it Williams all the way across the field?
Speaker 10 (27:36):
That was Bell? Oh? That was Bell.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
There was another one.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, they had they had a couple of them.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
That was That was the game plan all day to
throw the ball. He sort of reminded you that against
these really good receivers. He is a rookie and only
in his fourth NFL game. And I told somebody, I said,
what did you expect Everson Walls out there being eleven interceptions?
(28:04):
And they go well, and I said to all, well,
he didn't have two tall Jones out there, you.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Know, And I was joking that what you have is.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
I don't like the technique of opening up your hips
and allowing them to go across the field. I'd rather
you give them the sideline because if you go across
the field, I mean, if what we saw with Billy
Wide way back in nineteen eighty, that's why Tom Landys
came up with the flex and putting us inside shoulder,
because you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Let give him that the entire field across. You just
don't want to give him that. They can keep on running.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
That could be a touchdown, just like it was back
in nineteen eighty against the rams. That's why you have
to play inside, leverage on crossing routes.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Who's over there? No one?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
You got no safety to help, no one's there.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So I don't understand the technique itself.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
We did this a lot last year, just open it
up and letting the guys go across the What makes
them think that's help there? Those kind of things you
know in crucial situations. Now the offense may have made them,
you know, make those type of adjustments, predictable adjustments for that.
But when you know that you have half, you have
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the entire field of costs from you and no help inside.
As a defender, you should always leverage yourself better.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Got no arguments with you there.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Well, okay, but Everson, you being the should be in
the Hall of Fame cornerback that you are, as far
as Revel and him coming off the injury being a rookie,
how should we feel about where Revel is right now?
Speaker 9 (29:45):
We can feel good about where he is right now.
But you don't want this to be a pattern. You
don't want this to be Okay, this guy continuously does this.
Now you're looking at kind of how Carson started off
last year. Nobody had any confidence in because it kept
messing up the same way every time. So they're gonna
pick on you, but you gotta do with what we
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did Thermo Steves.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Eventually, did they pick on the undrafted rookie?
Speaker 9 (30:11):
Uh, they sure did. That worked for about eight games,
and then after that. Now you get more picks, fewer
big plays. You're gonna if you're gonna get beat, but
you gotta get yours. You gotta get yours. You can't
continue to just sit back there and say, oh, there's
nothing I can do.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I wasn't supposed to be getting picks.
Speaker 9 (30:30):
That's what Charlie was called me a martian because I'm like,
you know what, forget this technique, because the technique.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Was the weakness of the defense. I'm not going with that.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Let let me just work on my one on one
skills every once in a while, you know, to where
you just break the mold. Okay, let's not. Let's not
just open it up for him to the outside. I
can read that route. Let me jump that. Then of
course they're gonna counter and say, okay, you're gonna jump that,
then we're gonna take it to the house. So you
get those kind of things where you have to play.
(31:01):
You know, it's cat and mouse, it's catn mouse with offense.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
And that's where the adjustments come in. And that's what
I'm saying for a guy like Savone Revel and you
recognize their golf is going after him right now. And
I think Mickey talked about it earlier about pressure and
what pressure does for your secondary. Well, if you're not
getting there some kind of way, you're gonna have to
generate it. And if you're not generating enough pressure, then
(31:24):
the coverage on the back end is going to have
to change. And that's where you're talking about those free releases.
And there were a couple. It wasn't just him though,
and I'm not I want to just point even deron Bland.
Even Bland had his moments where you're like, what, wait
a minute, what is that? And look Jameson Williams and
Alman Rod Saint Brown who miraculously recover himself himself, you know,
(31:52):
I mean, if somebody's healing hands on his ankle. But
I'm telling you those guys and even though he was
playing you know, possession receptions scenes like that, our secondary
just truly never had an answer for them. And the
speed component that they brought to the table. We talk
about Jamiir, Gibbs, James and Williams. What and what he
I mean number all.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Of them had yackt all of them had yack.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
And so you can get beat on the play, but
you have to be in position to make the play.
And we weren't even in position to stop the act.
They kept on going.
Speaker 10 (32:24):
You've been talking about that all year, the lack of
tackling or just the execution when it comes down to it,
and that's a won't to thing. You got to get
where he catches. It doesn't mean that he can gain
another get him right there.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, it's ten yards open, and there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
That's the problem.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
How about this he GoF through thirty four passes. They
had one pass defense one, so they're not closed in coverage.
These guys were open, just open.
Speaker 10 (32:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
So they had one, two, three, four, five guys his
average double digit average per.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Catch five that came from the Yet.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
Yeah, they were running and they got speed, and I
understand that. Okay, so now you got to score with them,
and they were.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Scoring with them. They just couldn't stop them.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
Bottom line forty four points that tied the season high.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Right, they gave up forty four to.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
Denver.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah, that didn't turn out well either, now that sure did,
did it because they didn't even score to make that a.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
That a game.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
And this is after you gave up what sixteen twenty one.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
Twenty eight?
Speaker 8 (33:39):
So I think when I did my deal, I said, oh,
seems like old times.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
But guys, this is the kind of game you expect
on the road. Yeah, it's another desk.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
Well I had thirty five thirty one.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, you saw our scores. Yeah, so we knew it
was gonna be tough.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
And once again, you can't depend on referees anybody else
to help them.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
You can't turn all the situation time.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And you can't shoot yourself in the foot exactly.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
When they only had did they have one turnover? Does
the block field goal count as a turnover?
Speaker 10 (34:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Probably not. It's not a takeaway, right, No.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
But it was good. You know, early off, I thought
we had golf. You know, he wasn't in his bag,
he wasn't, you know, completing those long throws. And it
felt it felt like the defense, although offensively we didn't
get a lot of things going, it felt like the
defense was still you never felt like the game was
away from you. Even at halftime. It's twenty to nine, right, like, look,
(34:34):
it's still feeling good, still feeling good. And I've even
when the way that we opened up the game with
the interception and then giving up the seven points, I
just felt like, look, if we can just stop shooting
ourselves in the foot, and like you said, you can't
rely on the referees to save you. All you can
do is save yourself. And we never got to that point.
(34:55):
And I'm telling you, as much as I've glowed about
quinnn Williams, as much I've glowed about old Sa Diggie
Zua in that job, I got to give credit to
the Lions in their offensive line that was shorthanded. Bill,
you talked about the injuries that they had. The game
plan was simple, I'm gonna run it on you, and
that thirty five yard long run from David Montgomery just
(35:17):
was like the exclamation point to their running game because
it was like, look and credit Dan, and credit Dan
Campbell for not getting in his own way. They didn't
go for it on fourth downs, they didn't use they
didn't go they didn't well, no, they did.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It was like to at least two times where.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
You thought he was right it was fourth and five
a couple of times, and he didn't. He settled for
he settled for the field goal. He did down on
the goal line and he got out of his own way.
And this is one of those games where I anticipated
he was gonna make that mistake and give the ball
back to us and maybe surrender the momentum that he
had built up. He never did that.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
So and we still had a big chance. I mean
legitimate chance. I don't mean like, oh, three scores, we
can go three scores.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
In ten minutes. No, we All we need to do
was keep pace, and we were doing that. I wasn't worried.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
They were holding them at bay until the it was
what it was, third and five at the ten, they
got the sack that was almost the safety, yeah, and
then they got the punt, great punt, but they didn't
cover it.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
And then they scored.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
They came down and scored and took a ten to
three lead. And now you were chasing the lead the
entire game.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
But we were doing that just fine. Yeah, we're doing
They were chasing fine, and we were we were catching.
We were catching.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
You're not winning very many games when they don't get
to fourth down, but twice in a game, Yeah, they
had two punts and no fourth down plays, I mean
no fourth down going forth on fourth down, so they
only got to fourth down twice.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
Well on that fourth and fourth and goal I believe
it was, and he kicked the field goal. I'm like, man,
somebody need to make sure that's Dan Campbell over there,
because that ain't him. That's not his mo. He does
not do that. But something you alluded to earlier, Mickey,
was the kickoffs, And I don't know what has to
change in that, whether you use your starters or whatever
(37:15):
you got to do, but you can be the steel
curtain on the two thousand Baltimore Ravens and you're giving
up getting the ball at midfield. Man, you're gonna have
to put in a special defensive performance to stop a
team if you just.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Because all you need is ten to fifteen yards and
you're at least in field goal range.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
I got a solution to it.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Put the damn ball in the end zone and let
him have it at the thirty four.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
At that point that you're already giving up half the field,
and that's the only thing.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
You should have given it up at the fifty or
forty or whatever it was.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's just awful.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
And then be clarified, they only got to four down
twice when they weren't in field goal range.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
But half the field field goal range anymore? What even
for Detroit, you just get past midfield and your infield goal.
Speaker 10 (38:03):
But Bill, if you watch the Detroit Lions football enough,
you recognize that in those situations, they don't settle for
field goals. They're gonna Campbell's gonna go for it. So
him not doing that last night, I really like difference
the spots.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
And if you break it all down, and the difference
in the game are the two turnovers. The fumble by
Ferguson and the interception to start the third quarter gave
them the football which they were able to convert and otherwise.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
And the bogus p I call the bogus PI call.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I'm not getting I'm not letting you go, but.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You're still not down score.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
I almost put my white hat to man.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
But and you still had to get a stop after that.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I understand that, But damn things would you still got
to do?
Speaker 9 (38:52):
I have to score here, I have to score a
touchdown here, they were going to score a touchdown there,
they need a touchdown.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
There in the face mass penalty, We face mas penalty
on George Pickings and he wouldn't let go. Yeah, I mean,
but that's how many times do you see that in
the course of a football game. But that's not called.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Biggest play in the game might have been the hands
to the face on Ferguson. That was a fifty yard penalty.
It literally was a fifty yard penalty forty nine yards yep,
because you had the passe interferers down on the goal
line and instead the it was offsetting penalties, off seting
(39:29):
to upsetting.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
That's what I thought was going to happen on the
on the bogus call because I saw two flags in
the field. I guess they both saw the same thing.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I don't know that that literally that won't won't show
up any box score. But that was a fifty yard penalty.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah all right.
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I wonder how we did on our picks to click
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Okay, I'm going to be at at and T Stadium
tomorrow morning at eleven am.
Speaker 6 (42:28):
A is tailgating.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
I'm going to get there early. I don't know we'll
be tailgating. I guess I will try to beat the traffic.
Going as a fan with my wife, a Texas tech grad,
and another couple. We're gonna go watch the Red Raiders
and by U and the Oh.
Speaker 11 (42:45):
I bet he has sweet tickets, don't you?
Speaker 5 (42:48):
My Actually, my brother in law has sweet tickets, but
he did not invite his sister, oh father in law
to join us sweet.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Apparently I'm all.
Speaker 10 (42:58):
Blasts right now, qright around Christmas time to wow.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
And he just stayed at our house last week and
I extended what is normally a forty eight hour rule
that I impose on him whenever they visit. I graciously
extended it to seventy two hours and still didn't give
me it.
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But it ain't invite you to the not invite next time,
it's gonna be seven hours. You're out, bro, I don't
care how long you drove.
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Hey, don't don't.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
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Speaker 10 (43:26):
Don't you Let Chris talk about not inviting somebody to
a suite. He's the king of non invited a lot
of people in this building won't invite you to this
brow brow just.
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Saying the Harrisons have been to a beam suite before.
Speaker 10 (43:42):
Yes, we have that.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Just like a parking passion myself.
Speaker 10 (43:45):
That's it, that's it, right? Can I get close to
parking pass?
Speaker 14 (43:48):
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Speaker 10 (43:48):
Huh?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
A parking pass in general, I would period. Yeah, okay.
My pick to click was to Marvey on overshown.
Speaker 10 (43:56):
That didn't work.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, why are you even going over this? I get
it if anybody's going to get it, because.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
I got every week you got okay, ye, Aubreys Abby
from now.
Speaker 7 (44:09):
No, heck is not going with Jack da off the
seven tackles.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
In fact, shot Shottenheimer.
Speaker 11 (44:19):
It's probably a safety land.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
I mean the next was rebl.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
That's a trend.
Speaker 10 (44:30):
Now don't ask.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
For another word please, And you can't go with Ferguson
at all.
Speaker 10 (44:34):
Listen, here's the deal. Here's the deal with listen. Ever
since I am going Look, I have rolled the fur
Kittle Kelsey train, not this man. I'm running out of cold.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
That was hard.
Speaker 10 (44:47):
I'm running out of coal on this train. Man, Williams.
Speaker 6 (44:50):
I thought you have wearing the ball.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah you know you did. Okay, you're okay.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
He's got a thousand yards.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
When you fall behind by eighteen points.
Speaker 8 (44:57):
Takes him out of the game. That It's kind of funny.
He scored on a one yard touchdown and that was
the thousandth yard.
Speaker 11 (45:05):
Yeah, that's what he was at nine nine or nine.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
They said that last night.
Speaker 10 (45:09):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
Who do you have, Bill, who'd you show?
Speaker 10 (45:13):
You have over?
Speaker 11 (45:13):
Show all right?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Didn't have it and start taking a whole bunch of
people off the.
Speaker 11 (45:17):
Oh you guy picked a Texas guy.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
That's crazy and that's why we lost.
Speaker 10 (45:21):
Well, because you know he can't he can't keep picking
Kenneth Murray. Well, don't, Chris.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Ken's going the wrong one.
Speaker 10 (45:30):
Ken Burdy didn't have his best game either.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Yeah, I went, I went, You got the snap council,
the linebackers.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
I didn't print it out.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Well, I've got him somewhere.
Speaker 10 (45:40):
But man, it was rough man. That one move. Kenneth
Murray almost came out of socks. It was a body field.
Oh my god.
Speaker 8 (45:50):
In one hundred and twenty yards total total offense and
three touchdowns, it's pretty good.
Speaker 10 (45:56):
I'm bad.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
I'm sorry. I'm proud of my catfore good job.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
Before the game, in their notes, they pointed out that
both Williams and Gibbs over these three season twenty three,
twenty four, twenty five all had more than thirty rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Think about that.
Speaker 10 (46:18):
It's a lot. It's a Montgomery and kid. Yeah, that
them together. Man, that one that long run from Montgomery
I was like, we just we can't give up a
long run to that guy.
Speaker 9 (46:30):
I'm still not scared of these guys. I'm sorry, No
US can play these guys.
Speaker 10 (46:35):
Man, I was impressed with that linebackers. Man, I go
back to Detroit. I'm sorry that ticks you off a
little bit. I can tell that takes you off a
little bit. But man, these guys we're better than that. Hey,
they scored forty on us. Again, what was the last game?
We lost forty? We messed ourselves up, we shot ourselves.
But still no, no, no, I'm talking about last year. Wheneve
forty seven. So I mean it's a forty birth.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Throwout, throwout.
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Last year's getting it out. When Dak doesn't play, I
don't care. Jack doesn't play.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (47:06):
The guy that really kind of ruined things for him
was that Campbell guy.
Speaker 10 (47:10):
He's a Dan Campbell, the linebacker.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Is he the linebacker?
Speaker 10 (47:14):
Yeah? The linebacker? He played his butt off Jack.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
Campbell, Jack Campbell, first round draft pick out all that's
the one that remember the Lions go against what is
draft protocol? Oh? He took a running back in the
first round. Oh, they took a middle linebacker in the
first round. You can't do that. And there you happen
to be there two of their best man.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
So he had twelve tackles, one sack, one tackle for loss,
one quarterback hit, one force fumble and.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
That was the Ferguson fumble.
Speaker 10 (47:43):
Yeah, you think he's going to be the NFC Player
of the Week.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Sure he is right now, right now after what's the
top of the list.
Speaker 10 (47:53):
I thought we were done with that trend. That's the
tren I thought we had broken.
Speaker 8 (47:56):
And Angeloney had three passes broke up.
Speaker 10 (48:01):
Yeah, the guy with the locks man he was everywhere.
Speaker 8 (48:05):
And I didn't even know, and I guess I'm guilty
of not studying. But Muhammad let him with three sacks.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
The former Cowboy.
Speaker 5 (48:15):
Yeah what Quadon Muhammad was with the Cowboys in training
camp last year. It's like a late pickup or it
was in the middle of camp. They picked him up
and then they cut him whatever and everybody else.
Speaker 10 (48:29):
You're supposed to go, oh, that Muhammad. That's how I
playing off me. Yes, he was.
Speaker 5 (48:43):
And Mickey as we closed this outing that we go
back in the way back machine. Do you remember Klois
Box Detroit Lion Klois Box. Well, Jamiir Gibbs in last
Night's game became the uh second player in Lion's history
to produce three games in a single season with three
(49:05):
or more touchdowns. He joined Klois Box in nineteen fifty two.
Why am I bringing this up? The great Klois Box
who owned the Klois Box Ranch at the corner of
Preston Road in Main Street and right here in Frisco, Texas,
the site of the original South Fork Ranch location where
(49:28):
the first five episodes of Dallas were filmed in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 13 (49:32):
Eight, Bill, how'd you the rest of the story?
Speaker 10 (49:36):
How did you do that? How did that happen? How
did you do that?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
I just I recognized the name Klois Box.
Speaker 6 (49:41):
And then did he play for the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (49:44):
I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
So, I don't believe so.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
I figure that was going to be the next shooted No.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
But about high school? Yeah, yeah, high school? He went
to Waco High School. He's from Jonesboro, Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
I thought you were going to tell me Joe Joe
Don Looney.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
That was he was.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
He was actually later than Klois Box. But anyway, Klois
Box is a famous name, and in fact, he is
a big reason why Frisco, Texas has become what Frisco
Texas is. He was Citizen of the Year in Frisco,
Texas in nineteen eighty six. And now you know how
you become the rest year.
Speaker 10 (50:21):
I don't even I'm just trying to figure out.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
All right, there was one thing to be thankful for
last night. It was an indoor game.
Speaker 10 (50:32):
Oh when we.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Were getting ooh, I heard, I heard it was.
Speaker 6 (50:37):
Eight degrees eight degrees, yeah, games there was There was
snow flurries on when we landed Wednesday.
Speaker 8 (50:45):
Right, couldn't see the ground. It was a minute to go,
and I'm going, how's he seeing? I hope that thing
works owhere?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Right?
Speaker 8 (50:54):
And then we're getting ready to land and all of
a sudden I hear him gun it and it was
one minute land.
Speaker 11 (51:00):
Now it's three.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Now it's fight. The landing the runway was.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Busy, well, I was about to land this show and
then Mickey just landing with that and so now we're
going to.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Land real indicative how the two days.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
With all right, here we are, we're landing with landing.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
Here we go and go Red Raiders tomorrow at at
and t Stadium and have a great mini by weekend.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Everybody Go Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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