August 11, 2025 • 48 mins
Comprehensive discussion on the Cowboys performance in Saturday’s first preseason game, offensive and defensive units and breaking down the performance of Joe Milton, if he’s ready to become the Cowboys backup quarterback. Plus, couple standouts.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is Nick shot, streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys app now Here are Bill Jones,
Hecma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It is a Monday morning inside the SWBC podcast studio
here at the Star in Frisco. And it's also a
Monday morning at the corner of Ventura Vistage in Oxnard, California.
One final Monday morning in Oxnard. Yes, Mickey Spagnola, three
(00:52):
days away from breaking camp on Thursday. We are here
to wrap up and take a look back at what
happened on Saturday. But we're wrapping up the Oxnard portion
of training camp as ever since shakes his head when
I mentioned Saturday. I wait to hear what Everson has
to say. You got Bill Jones, Everson Walls, You've got
(01:14):
heck Ma Harrison, and the sun has come out in Oxnard, California. Mickey,
despite the fact what happened on Saturday night at SOFI.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Stadium, well that's your when you played. I know I
was trying to I want I wanted to make sure
you weren't asking everybody that question, and I talked over
everybody because there is a delay. What happened? What happened?
(01:45):
It was as I just towed Heck off the air.
It was a typical first preseason game for the Dallas Cowboys.
Nobody played.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Well, I think that's what is that?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That sums I think you know what? That sums it up?
You know what's happened here? Ever since in HECKMA, I
think Producer Supreme has told Mickey he's talking too much.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, if you're gonna, are you throwing it to us, Mick,
you're throwing it to us? Are we good? You're good?
You're throwing to us?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Okay, go ahead and go ahead until I until I
have to until I have to interrupt you. Because the
only person uh in that stadium that knew who played
for the Cowboys was Bill Jones.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well only because I.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Got a big green.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right there in front of him.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Because I'm the only one who's Yeah, all the research
on the ninety players that are playing on both you know,
it's the last forty five that you got to really
do the research on on these preseason as top forty five.
They're not involved.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I gotta say Bill and his team, they were the
highlights of the game itself because the game was man
to me, it was just deja vu, that's all. It
was just dejavou. Now you could have stopped with that one.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Spags, Well, did you recognize anybody playing?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No, I don't recognize anybody playing during the season either
half the time, especially with all the injuries that we had.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well that's a big that's a big problem for this show.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So what I saw awesome Richards out there.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Uh huh yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Okay, he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, yeah, he's a backup, but he's he's been here
more than one year. Let me hear, let me give me,
give me something.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Let's let heck bun. Let's get heck bud.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Thank you swing it.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Really, I've been watching y'all fight this thing out. So look,
I'm the new guy in here. Now you're not. This
is your room, okay, your room. Look I can tell
you this after talking to Mickey off air earlier, and
he gave me one sentence also, so I'm just happy
it wasn't just me and he gave you all the
(04:10):
same treatment. You know, after that game went off, and
I've watched it a couple of times ever since, and
I wish I had a neuralizer thing from Men in
Black to just zap my memory from one.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Because it was one of those things.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And obviously, you know, it's a bunch of backups and
guys that you're just wanting to at least get a
beat on the kind of player that they are. But
coming into the game, I think there were some guys
that played. I think that we already knew what they were.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They didn't. They didn't prove anything different to us. You
know what.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I listened to coach Brian Schottenheimer and those press conferences
say that he was vanilla and the joint practice, and
he carried that over to the preseason game as well.
We probably got more out of the joint practice than
we got out of the preseason game as far as
any scheme or anything like that, but as far as
it's just the overall foremance of certain players, I think
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I was looking at the offensive line in the defensive
line more than anything too, okay, and it wasn't it
for me. It wasn't until the fourth quarter that I
started to see the offensive line get any push, all right,
Guys like MafA, the running back man, he was running
like the rent was due. And I liked that, all right.
I like that. I liked the challenge that he brought.
But the defensive line, to me, was where I really
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had the biggest concern. And again, these are third and
four fifth string guys that we're looking at but just
wanting to get some push. And I know they were
dealing with double teams pretty primarily the whole game, but
that's what a lot of teams brought to us last season,
double team in the one technique, and if you couldn't
anchor down, you were getting pushed into those linebackers, as
we talked about the other day. And you still had
a little bit of that as well. And so yeah, yeah, yeah,
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the thirty one to twenty one at the end, you know,
I just think that for it could have been worse.
It absolutely could have been worse, because I felt like
that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Missed a lot of wide open guys.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But Bill, you and Isaiah did a wonderful job, and
Isaiah was pointing out some things about the defense, and
I think that Cowboy Nation and other people need to
know that these guys on that front line are just
playing too high, the pad level, all of those things.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's what we said. Everyone's vertical, that's what we said,
and that one's vertical. I remember that term.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
It just made for sloppy play for the defensive line.
So that was pretty much my take. But I just
wanted to forget the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And see with me. Yes, those were thirty four teamers
and no one knew their names. Well, hell, I didn't
know any of the rams names either. They were thirty
four stringers as well. So to me, I would you
have to find an individual within those groups, certain individuals
that you can say, Okay, that guy improved. And we
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talked about that last week about certain guys need to improve.
I didn't see certain guys improving in that regard. The
other thing that I saw the scheme itself. We know
what happened last year, and we've been practicing all training camp,
all training camp on making our scheme work. The scheme
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still looks the same because no individual stepped up and
made any plays to break that pattern that we have
here and the pattern that we have one hundred and
eighty plus yards rushing. Am I right in a freaking
preseason game dude, their blocking scene seems to be together
by those third and fourth stringers. We still got guys vertical.
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We still have guys can't get off the blocks, and
when they do get off the blocks, they're so late.
The guy's grabbing on to them and here comes the
running back going full speed. He splits them. That's what
we saw all last year. We saw also no coordination
in our attack. I don't care how young you are,
you still have to know when you got to set
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the adds damage. You got to set the aedds. That's
number one. Number two, don't get cut off when this
guy does set the aedds because there were times when
the edge was set, the running back still had room
fake him out, come back inside, and still dip back
out of that because there was no pursuit. We saw
the same thing and we saw last year. I know
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it's throwing the four stringers, I get that, But the
scheme itself that we've been working on, that we've been
trying to improve from last year, all of that training
camp is as if it didn't compute in the player's heads.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
All right, I'll say one thing about you couldn't you
couldn't make Micky let me say this one thing and
and give you a chance here that it's very difficult
not to play too high in the interior of the
defensive line when they've got a five to eleven center.
Willy lamp get stuck Will lamp out of North Carolina,
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undrafted rookie playing the center and go. You can find
some of the video of him. I think Brandon Thorn
is the guy that tweeted out maybe some of it
in his blocking at five eleven, five eleven, two hundred
and ninety pounds and he's playing and.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He was putting in the world. He was putting in
the work because we were right up.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
He was only a little taller than Mickey, and he
was putting to the work. All right, Mickey, I just
wanted to throw that in turn.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Their their backups were better than the Cowboys backups. And
you can't scheme? Could could could the scheme change the
team in nineteen eighty nine? You can tell me all
about scheme, But if I ain't got any players to
play the scheme, then how do you know what the
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scheme is? Look at who played on defense? One guy
on that starting defense would start if the Cowboys were
in their three or four to three defense, and it
would have been Leophile and you saw him play right.
He was the best defensive player on the field. And
(10:04):
he only played ten snaps. I don't know if Mozzy
Smith will start. He started in that game. He played
ten snaps. So they didn't play guys that are gonna
actually play. They got more. And I don't know if
Hekmasa said this, they got more out of the scrimmage
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then they did this game because at least they played
their guys. Now, if you wanted to criticize them in
the scrimmage, go ahead, because they played everybody. And look,
if you can't if you can't get good quarterback play,
you can have the greatest scheme in the world and
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you're not going to be successful. And the quarterback play
was horrible to me. It was up and down, and
you can't overcome a quarterback. You can overcome other things,
but you can't overcome the quarterback. And somehow, some way,
they put twenty one points on the board.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I just wanted to pickyback off of Whateverson was saying,
and I think not to say anything contradictory what Mickey
is saying. The scheme when you had a guy sit
in the edge and the linebacker is supposed to be
pursuing underneath, and nobody grades out on at all in
a football game.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
But you see guys taking bad angles, you know. You
see guys trying to cut underneath the block instead of
coming over the top of it, and that's leaving a gate.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Patrol on the back. That's right, right. You don't have
to scheme basic fess all, yeah, you got it. You
have to know when there's a a a tight wide
receiver off the line of scrimmage and he goes in
motion they snapped the ball, Hey, maybe this guy's gonna
hit me in my ear hole. Little things like that.
(11:49):
You should know that from college. Your defensive play of
the year. You should know that in college, there's no
way you should be surprised by someone trying to stop you.
I'm saying to edge, not only from that individual standpoint,
it's what we saw all last year. Still giving up
the edge from last year and spags. There's a scheme,
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and then there's just knowing football. You don't have to
scheme knowing football. You don't have to scheme knowing how
to pursue the football. That's what I'm concerned about. I
use the word scheme spags, but when it comes down
to it, this is just basic ABC one, two three football.
(12:32):
And I'm just a little disappointed that some of these
young players. And yes, I know they're young, and now,
yes I know they're going up against another player, but
I damn, dude, you can still make a play. I mean,
I can give them all the excuses in the world
not to make a play. Give them an excuse to
make a play.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
How many points did Philadelphia give up? World champions? I
don't know what he's talking about, anybody. We went tonight
their preseason game Eagles, because how many points did Philadelphia
give up? How many points did Philadelphia give up this weekend?
Please help?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
They gave up twenty seven to the Bengals. They won
thirty four to twenty.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
K and they didn't play anybody on defense, not a soul.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, oh, here's a good one. So the Commanders,
how many did the Commanders give up? They gave up
forty eight points to the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Row bad scheme, bad scheme, You guys. You just have
to put it in context of what you saw. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
If that was the front line players out there, then
I'm with you, right, they didn't have Leah File was
the only starter on the field and he played ten snaps.
So half the guy you got your setting the bar
too low, Spags don't know. I'm not because these guys
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aren't gonna be on this. They're not gonna be on
the team.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No one, but everyone wants to spend the night at
your house. Nobody wants to spend the night in my house.
You're the best.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Well, I would not want to be at your house. Yeah,
because you're gonna you're gonna put this. You're gonna put
the real children into bed, and you're gonna have all
these neighborhood kids trying to run the house cold.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You gonna you're gonna put your own kids to bed,
and the neighborhood kids right, whatever they want to do.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
My neighborhood kids were good. My kids will suck the
way these would understand. All right.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
All I know is there's ninety guys. There are ninety
guys on this roster, and I guarantee you forty five
of them from Saturday night aren't gonna be on the team.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Oh wow, Okay, when we come back Mickey will tell
us which forty five are not.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Going to be on the track.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
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All right, we continue here on mixed shots, and I
teased we talk quarterbacks from when we come back here,
and Mickey's already hit on it a little bit about
the quarterback play. Let's dive into Joe Milton here and
here were his numbers from Saturday night, seventeen of twenty nine,
one hundred to forty three yards, one touchdown, one interception. Also,
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which don't show up in those numbers, was a two
point conversion pass then was completed as well. Nicky, let's
start with you, just your overall take on what you
saw from Joe Milton in Cowboys preseason game number one.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, I thought at best it was average. He gave
himself a D D minus. Here's my deal. He missed
too many open wide receivers. There were too many times
he was late on the throw and he's trying to
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use his arm to compensate with his eyes. Didn't see
soon enough, and sometimes it just doesn't work when you're
trying to fit it in to a small window. If
I was them, and I understand he hasn't played a lot,
but what if he has to play, if he's your
backup quarterback, I don't know that you can feel good
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about that at this point, and the clock's ticking. They
only got two more preseason games to go, and I
don't know how much better you get after you've had
that many snaps and now you get to play again.
He just doesn't have enough experience to compensate for whatever
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talent he has. And so from a backup quarterback standpoint,
to me, you've got to rely on your experience. You've
seen things, you've done things. He's played one NFL game,
and I always thought from the minute they traded for
him and everybody said, well the Cowboys got their backup quarterback.
(19:58):
Well maybe he's the backup quarterback of the future, but
if you go off that performance, I don't think he's
your backup quarterback today.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know, SPACs, you talked about his lack of experience,
So this would be his second NFL game, correct, Well.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
He played, he played three preseason games, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And then he had the one regular season game at
the end of the year last year against Buffalo backup players.
Last regular season.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Game, and it's a different scheme as well, right, I
mean you're talking about a whole different offense that he
had to learn when he came here. Is that correct? Yes?
And so when when you start.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, trial, well.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Objection leading Joe Milton's.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I did see SPACs some really bad throws. I looked
to see. I wanted to see more improvement because I
start in training camp he was looking decent, but once
he got under the center in this game, he totally digressed.
I don't know how he was able to do that
so quickly, I mean from past one and so that
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was a little bit disheartening. You could see the talent, though,
you could see the physical ability that he has. Some
of the throws that he made last night were amazing,
and some of the throws he made, oh my god.
One guy came across the middle on I think it
was a rollout. He was wide open. I mean there
was no one around him, and I don't know whether
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Helly was throwing the ball, but it was nowhere close
to a wide open receiver. And it wasn't off of
a scramble. This was designed for that He's supposed to
hit him where he's supposed to hit him. He was
nowhere close. That is disheartening because it lets you know
that he can be extremely erratic, and that's not what
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we need right now from a quarterback. I wish he
was come He would come along faster. Maybe the rest
of these preseason games they might try and get him
in because as the game went on, except for that
disastrous past I just spoke of previously, he looked decent
enough without committing too many turnovers. And that's what I
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worry about, silly turnovers if we have a backup come
in and got missing wide open players. Once he got
warmed up a bit, he did show what his potential is,
but we can't win on potential he had.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
He had one interception on the throw in the end zone.
He could have had three interceptions, Yes, one early and
then the one that Charles Woods help could have taken
to the house.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, I just felt, you know, look, here's for me,
Joe Milton. I'm going to allow some grace here in
this first preseason game. And the reason being is for
what you just talked about him coming from one system
to another, and he's still a developing quarterback. When you
think about the NFL and the guys that had a
Holliser for an arm. Guys like Bobby Bristter, Jeff George,
guys like that, but Brett varvvre. But the one thing
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that they did have, they had touch. They could a
little bit of touch. Maybe not Bubby Bristol, but I'm
just saying a little bit of touch on those passes.
It just seemed like that for a rookie quarterback or
second year quarterback, what do you want to do. You
want him to get comfortable by throwing the short stuff,
and he couldn't throw that, And it was a guy
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right there coming across the coverage. Just dump it down
to him, make the easy throws. And again, maybe it
was his nerves, maybe whatever it was. And sometimes a
guy can be erratic because of that. But I think
back quarterbacks all have a certain trait. They're late and
he throw the ball behind, and that's a defense's dream
because most of the time that goes the other way.
He still has to develop, and in the development phase
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of this, I know there's not going to be a
lot of grace for that because we've seen Dak Prescott
get hurt, We've seen the backup have to step in
at least for a few games and I don't know
after that preseason game if you still have the confidence
that Joe Milton can do that. So look, I'm anxious
to see if he calms his nerves a little bit
and comes out better against Baltimore at home.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Here that Saturday night against Baltimore, well at home, and
so following Friday against Atlanta. Okay, make he go ahead.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I was gonna say, so, you're giving him a pass,
But the other guys you're saying they should know the
system better. You can't have it both ways, right.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I actually can in this situation because he's the quarterback,
and he is a guy that's coming in to the team.
The guys that I'm talking to.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Well, the center might be the center might be.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
About a brand new guy. That's why I'm giving him
that grace mixing.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
The center might be Wait, the center might be brand new, right,
The right guard might be brand new. The defensive tackle
might be brand new. But you graded them like they were.
And now when the backup quarterback comes in and starts,
you're saying, well, we got to be patient.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Bags. I'm grading them as football players. When it comes
to playing quarterback, you gotta know how to throw the ball.
But you also have to know a scheme. When I'm
talking about basic pursuit technique, you don't have to be
a started. Well, how about it, that's like running.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
How about a basic ten yard pass?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We do a pursuit drill in practice, and I see
a linement that doesn't know how to pursue. That's the
same as that. But if you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Playing, well, I want a quarterback that can throw a
ten yard pass. Me too, I want a quarterback that
can throw a ten yard pass. Yeah, got nothing to
do with scheme or an experience.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Now we're still on his butts bags.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
He's not. What I'm saying is he's not ready.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh we are too. We're saying that is okay.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Well we agree with you. So so my guess is
a Donagy might not be ready to start at right tackle.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
That's alchemi energy. Yeah, ye, seventy five?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Did you know he did you know he was on
the field.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
He saw him on the sack Josiah Stewart had a sack,
went by the right tackle. Seventy five.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
See Bill do it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
All right? Uh?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
As far as the court, the Will Greer comes into
the game after and apparently Milton's okay, right, the elbow
is okay.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
They're saying, yeah, it wasn't Yeah, they were saying that
it wasn't serious.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
He said, it's like he hit his funny bone.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
He was throwing passes on the sideline by the bench.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And he grabbed his helmet like he was going back in.
And they said, naw, let's let's just want to make it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
To say, what I'm about to say has nothing to
do with Will Greer's performance on Saturday Night at all.
But if you go back and look at Will Geer's career,
he's now thirty years old, and his talent coming out,
not only going back to even high school National Player
of the Year in high school. Then he goes to Florida.
He has a red shirt freshman, becomes a starter at Florida,
(27:22):
started six games, and then the NCAAA came down on him.
He bought a used a over the counter drug that
got on the NCAA LISP and he didn't check with
his trainers. He got suspended for a year, so he
winds up having to transfer to West Virginia. Finished fourth
in the Heisman voting at West Virginia. Now in the NFL,
(27:46):
he started two Gamess, a third round pick of the Panthers.
Okay started two games for Carolina. I don't know what
all went on there, Okay. So now he's been a
journeyman since he came here. Then he last year he
was with a couple of different teams, wound up on
philadel If his practice squad, Cowboys picking up late in
the year. Now he's back here, Okay, and we've seen
him play in the preseason before.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
The only reason I even bring this up is I'm
scratched my head ever since Okay brought him back last
year and then Schottenneimer seems to like him. Okay, Dak.
You know he fits in well within the quarterback room
with Dak. Okay, now he's here, I'm sitting there going Okay.
Now he's thirty years old, and this is does he
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have a spot on this roster once September hits. So
it's going to be interesting to see and if he
gets some playing time here. But what I'm getting to is,
I look around the league and I see case Keenum.
It was a world of difference. Yesterday in the Chicago game.
I'm sitting there watching him when he comes into the game,
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as a thirty seven year old in these preseason games,
and he knows exactly where he looked like a precision
And of course case Keenum had his opportun tunity with Minnesota.
This is going back now eight years ago, twenty seventeen. Okay,
leads him to the playoffs and then got a conference
championship game, didn't there right there?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And they lost The Eagles lost the Eagles in the
championship game in seventeen. Okay. Then he goes to Denver whatever,
and now he sits here forever. Okay. I look at
Geno Smith. Gino Smith out of the same school Will
Greer was at West Virginia, and he gets because he
was a high draft pick. He plays immediately with the Jets,
starts for two years and is a bust quote unquote bust.
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Then he sits for a decade. Basically, it wasn't quite
a decade, but it was a good six or seven
years where he doesn't get an opportunity at all. Then
he finally he's out of football. He didn't even play
in twenty nineteen. And then he's with Seattle and then
he becomes a starter and then he you know, and
so my point on all this is experience matters so
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much in this league. That's why I'm giving right guy
like Joe Milton, for a guy like Trey Lance, for
those kind of guys. If you don't get that opportunity,
then you can't improve as a quarterback. So this is
the opportunity for Joe Milton to improve Dak Prescott. What's
the best thing that happened to Dak Prescott in twenty sixteen.
It wasn't Tony Romo's injury which gave him a chance.
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The best thing that happened for him is they had
an offensive line. The Cowboys had an offensive line, and him,
at a fourth round draft pick, was able to have
success his first year, get his sea legs in the league,
and the rest, as they say, is history. And so
that's just a little perspective. I don't even even with
Will Grier, I count him in the hunt here to
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be to win a spot on this roster.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But you got to have a roster offensively such as
that one. That's right. I don't think we have that
roster offensively offensive line, I don't mean offensive left.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
They're building it, but it's trying.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
We're trying to get that culture back. But we had
that culture of a running game with Demarchael Murray was
and when he you know, he was there with Romo.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And then Zeke came in twenty sixteen and then Zeke
came out.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So we had that culture was already established. We don't
have that re established here yet. Yep.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, I mean to add to that.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Making Well, here's the here's the comparable. What's the difference
between Joe Milton and Trey Lance experience?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
What's what's the difference between them?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Oh, you said trade, Yeah, it's the same guy. It's
the same guy.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Milton Milton. Since twenty eighteen, Milton has thrown one hundred
passes more passes than Trey Lance has since twenty eighteen,
which isn't much for either one of them.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And what was trade? And what was Trey Lance last year?
The third quarterback?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Right? Yep?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So you ate got I think he should be, but
I don't know who's the backup, you know, is the
backup somewhere? I don't know, some other team's gonna cut
some quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Milton still got a couple more opportunities here to prove
he can be the he does number two guy here.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And That's what I talked about, maybe these remaining preseason
games he might be able.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
To see that improvement, show some improvement.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And get more of a comfort zone. Because you could
clearly see that the kid was nervous. And I don't know,
I understand that the kid is nervous. He's coming to
a new system, new team, all of that, but I
still wanted him to be able to throw basic passes
to get himself comfortable.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I don't know if the wide receivers and he were
not on the same page, that could have been the problem.
But whatever it is, if I'm a coach, I'm going
to send him out there under conditions that are going
to make sure that he can succeed. And I believe
that's what they tried to do. With that result, they
did not do it. That's that's why I'm disappointed.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I can't believe Mickey called me out when I was
trying to be diplomatic.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Okay, I was trying to.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
You were being you know, you weren't being diplomatic with
the with the offense and defensive lines, know you weren't.
You were crushing them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
All right, I was crushing them. I was the wrong guy.
The wrong guy. Okay, okay, we will.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
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Speaker 3 (36:00):
All right, we continue on Mick Schanzer, our final segment.
Here we are in Frisco, where right now it's eighty
seven degrees with a higher ninety four. We had a
cold front come through this week. The high in the
next couple of days ninety two degrees.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
More than that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You're in Frisco. Meanwhile, Mickey is in Oxnard for a
few more days where it's still sixty five degrees. It's
constantly sixty five degrees there in Oxnard. But the Cowboys
break camp on Thursday, they come home, they play Baltimore
on Saturday night in the final preseason game, the following
Friday against Atlanta, and open practices next week on Tuesday
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and Wednesday, the nineteenth and the twentieth. Hey, how about this,
the final roster cuts across the league. It's two weeks
from tomorrow, on August twenty sixth. That's how close we
are to get in this thing started.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Let's go initially.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, all right, how about us standout or two that
who cut your eye in a positive way on Saturday night.
Start with you every Sunday and go heck money.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm so glad you want to start me because I
still have a little side note here. As much as
I loved you guys in the booth, uh, I hated
the broadcasting of the show itself. There was not enough replays. Okay,
not nearly enough replays because I'm trying to figure out
who's making tackle? What number is this guy?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Wasn't numbers that guy another on the sideline?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Come on? Oh yeah, I did see that from the
local news that that.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Was they got it from. It was incredible from our broadcast.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, yeah, that was great. That was the best.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
All Yemen was all over that on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
But that that was the best that they did. Otherwise
I couldn't tell who was who half the time because
they were just moving on with the game. But they
did have one player.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You talked about him, number forty eight, if I'm not mistaken.
He was a linebacker and you talked about how.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
He oh no, just safety Zion Childress.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Children good player, yeah, good player made a lot.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Of the Kentucky started his career at Texas State. But
he's and he has he has opened up some eyes
from the from the get go.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
He reminded me, even though I think it's a different position.
He reminded me of luifoul in the way how he
played downhill downhill, the aggressiveness, no diagnosing quickly and making moves.
But when you're the only one doing that, it doesn't
turn out well because as he's turning things in, they're
still able to get outside. Because once again we talked
about that no pursuit coming from the inside. But I
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thought that he did a damn good job.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Childress and sub packages especially. I mean he's in contention
to and it was the way he was used by
Mark Stoops at Kentucky. Uh he had last year he
had six tackles for loss.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Uh you bragged on him real well, yeah, yeah, he
did a good job.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well thank you. Yeah, one guy that I did some research.
He was also a two year team captain at Kentucky.
Always like that in the Big Green Notebook too. But
he's only he's five eleven to two oh three, so
he's a dB.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's good. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
But the instincts and all of that looks like.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Sean Lee type of thing. We always talking about Sharlie
with a quick diagnosis playing downhill.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Good eye there, forty eight Zion Childress.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Say, if you're gonna be wrong, be wrong fast, right,
do it all fast. Marsh Le obviously jumped off the
page for me, and I came in looking for him
to be that player. But I also was looking at
Shamar James, our rookie number fifty. They said a lot
about him coming out of Oxnard, so I wanted to
see what he looked like. I mean, look, he wasn't
running around blocks things. It's not like he made any
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just big time plays. But just seeing him as a
rookie in the way that he conducted himself, I think
that's better than anything. Just seeing a guy is he
is he out there playing wild?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Is he you know? Running?
Speaker 5 (39:49):
He was where he was supposed to be an absolute
you know, and so he wasn't getting blown out of
gaps things like that. So I mean, look, thirty five
and fifty for me, and linebacker was where I was looking,
and I was impressed there.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
And the other thing about Shamark James, he's so young.
He just turned twenty one last month, and so that's
another guy that's you can He's got a lot of promise.
All right, Mickey, who's a guy for you?
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Well, I'm not going to go with the obvious one,
Malik Davis. Right, we talked about him a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Talked but.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
A young guy, a young guy that has been stepping
up here and might force their hand. Wide receiver Trey
Shawn Holden. Yes, he's a rookie free agent and he
just keeps making plays. Now, I don't know if there's
a room at the end because if you look at
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the wide receiver position, you can almost name five guys.
I think there's like three guys that are trying to
say you got to keep six, uh, and I think
he's one of them. I think he's on the practice
squad for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
But that's a question.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
That's the thing that I'm not sure of. I don't
think he's a return guy. And if he was a
return guy, he would be a backup return guy because
we know who the return guy is. But as a
as ever kicks what yeah exactly, because if you try
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the plays he's making, and you saw him make a
couple back to back in the game, and he's made
some spectacular catches out here in practice. You might not
be able to get him to the practice squad because
somebody might say, well, I kind of like that guy. Now,
I know everybody out there has a receiver like this,
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and so you sit there and go, I don't know
if we can get him the practice squad. Well, I
think everybody's got somebody like him that's coming out of nowhere.
But I think he's been a pleasant surprise for this
offensive staff. The way he conducts himself. And remember he
was at Oregon with Junior Adams, the wide receiver coach
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was and he kind of got him here.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I guarantee you a lot about it. I guarantee you, Mickey,
he may have been a pleasant surprise to the rest
of the staff. I guarantee you he's not a surprise
to his position coach, Junior Adams, who as you had
him for two years at Oregon and they had they
had some studs at the wide receiver position at Oregon
two and he had forty five catches in five touchdowns
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last year, and his first year at Oregon thirty seven
catches and six touchdowns with Bo Nick throwing him the ball.
And by the way, prior to that, he was at Alabama,
and so you know, he had a lot of talent
coming out of high school. The reason he went undrafted though,
well that was a question. And also a four five
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seven forty thirty two vertical ten three broad jump not
great explosion there, and that's a reason why goes undrafted.
There's a whole bunch of wide receivers that are going
to become available two weeks from tomorrow, and so you
might be able to slip him through.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
But we'll see not only him, but also Jalen Brooks
if we can mention him Jalen Brooks, and you talk
about a guy that can do it on special teams,
you know what, he could be a gunner for you.
You know, I think it's a curious case for this
guy holding and if he can continue to make plays
like this again all the whispers coming out of ox
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N artists, he's putting a lot of pressure on guys
that have been comfortable with being on this on this
roster but not making any plays from the you know,
fifth and fourth wide receiver standpoints. So there's some jobs
in danger if he continues to play like this.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
My thing is practice is one thing. I gotta see
something in the game. I just remember when me and
Mike came out, Mike Down showed himself on the practice field,
and he showed himself in the game immediately. Special teams
Mike Down's first play they made block the punt. He
made that in the game. You see. So I'm not
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talking about potential or in the practice field. I'm talking
about playing in a ball game, making plays in the game.
I don't care about practice. I'm talking about making plays
in the game which showed me that you can do something.
Guys like that. We knew they came out right away
making plays in the preseason games.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Ever, Sen then it's something when they turn the score
clock on, God's changed.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I don't know what. The only thing happened was they
turned the scoreboard on. But I think it's like when
you when like in the gym, like when I play basketball,
there's one thing they ought to be in your gym.
But then when you go to a big gym at
a big school, all of a sudden, the basket looks different,
the depth perception is different. All of a sudden, everything changes.
The lights are brighter, and that's where you find your
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players when you have those kind of issues, the ones
that can adjust that, and who am not afraid, and
the whole idea, the whole mindset is, I am not
going to fail.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
You know who comes to mind Israel mccuonma is He
mccona because it were never twenty four right, hadn't heard
anything about him and practice had it and then all
of a sudden he makes it out.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Does it every season.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
All right?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Make you wrap it up for us.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
So the bottom line to this whole thing is that
when we were talking about you know, who played and
who didn't play, when uh, they get into a real
game with the real players in there and somebody gets
hurt and it's like, Okay, t J. Bass, you're in
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the ball game, right. But he's not bringing Sadiq Charles
uh with him. He's not bringing brock Hoffmann with him,
he's not bringing I Dentergy with them. It's just one
guy going in to fill a spot. So it's hard
to judge a lot of this when you're playing a
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whole unit of backups, right, So I think you got
to be able to see the starters in there, and
then you can talk about the system. Then you can
talk about the talent, but when you're playing backups, and
I looked at Philadelphia, the entire team was playing with backups, right,
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So I think you just have to kind of at
ease with the analysis of the whole game, and you
got to just look at individual players like you guys
did pointing out Leo File pointing out as a Roku.
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Guys like that. James, Now, he wasn't perfect because he
missed a couple of coverages, but he saw him make
some plays and that's what you have to do. But
you can't judge everybody in a group when that group
is not going to play, and if it is going
to play, then you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And by the way, you're speaking of the Eagles, the
injury coming out of their camp this morning, was it
yesterday Dickerson. I was just searching to see if there
was an update. He a leg injury and he was
carted off from practice yesterday. A Pro Bowl offensive guard
for them. Wow, so that would be a big So
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we'll see. But I have not seen the game. They
stopped the game. This was a practice yesterday, And I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
They actually stopped a preseason game because someone.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, the Detroit game. Yeah yeah, and apparently he's doing
all right, He's okay yeah, so okay, yeah yeah, all right?
Does it for this edition of Mixed Shots. How about
we do it again at eleven o'clock Central Time on Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
You want to do that of course?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
All right, thanks for joining us here for Mick Shans,
and we'll see you Wednesday at eleven Gold Cowboys.
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Hecma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It is a Monday morning inside the SWBC podcast studio
here at the Star in Frisco. And it's also a
Monday morning at the corner of Ventura Vistage in Oxnard, California.
One final Monday morning in Oxnard. Yes, Mickey Spagnola, three
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days away from breaking camp on Thursday. We are here
to wrap up and take a look back at what
happened on Saturday. But we're wrapping up the Oxnard portion
of training camp as ever since shakes his head when
I mentioned Saturday. I wait to hear what Everson has
to say. You got Bill Jones, Everson Walls, You've got
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heck Ma Harrison, and the sun has come out in Oxnard, California. Mickey,
despite the fact what happened on Saturday night at SOFI.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Stadium, well that's your when you played. I know I
was trying to I want I wanted to make sure
you weren't asking everybody that question, and I talked over
everybody because there is a delay. What happened? What happened?
(01:45):
It was as I just towed Heck off the air.
It was a typical first preseason game for the Dallas Cowboys.
Nobody played.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Well, I think that's what is that?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That sums I think you know what? That sums it up?
You know what's happened here? Ever since in HECKMA, I
think Producer Supreme has told Mickey he's talking too much.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, if you're gonna, are you throwing it to us, Mick,
you're throwing it to us? Are we good? You're good?
You're throwing to us?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Okay, go ahead and go ahead until I until I
have to until I have to interrupt you. Because the
only person uh in that stadium that knew who played
for the Cowboys was Bill Jones.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well only because I.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Got a big green.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right there in front of him.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Because I'm the only one who's Yeah, all the research
on the ninety players that are playing on both you know,
it's the last forty five that you got to really
do the research on on these preseason as top forty five.
They're not involved.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I gotta say Bill and his team, they were the
highlights of the game itself because the game was man
to me, it was just deja vu, that's all. It
was just dejavou. Now you could have stopped with that one.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Spags, Well, did you recognize anybody playing?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No, I don't recognize anybody playing during the season either
half the time, especially with all the injuries that we had.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well that's a big that's a big problem for this show.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So what I saw awesome Richards out there.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Uh huh yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Okay, he's a backup.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, yeah, he's a backup, but he's he's been here
more than one year. Let me hear, let me give me,
give me something.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Let's let heck bun. Let's get heck bud.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Thank you swing it.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Really, I've been watching y'all fight this thing out. So look,
I'm the new guy in here. Now you're not. This
is your room, okay, your room. Look I can tell
you this after talking to Mickey off air earlier, and
he gave me one sentence also, so I'm just happy
it wasn't just me and he gave you all the
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same treatment. You know, after that game went off, and
I've watched it a couple of times ever since, and
I wish I had a neuralizer thing from Men in
Black to just zap my memory from one.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Because it was one of those things.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
And obviously, you know, it's a bunch of backups and
guys that you're just wanting to at least get a
beat on the kind of player that they are. But
coming into the game, I think there were some guys
that played. I think that we already knew what they were.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They didn't. They didn't prove anything different to us. You
know what.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I listened to coach Brian Schottenheimer and those press conferences
say that he was vanilla and the joint practice, and
he carried that over to the preseason game as well.
We probably got more out of the joint practice than
we got out of the preseason game as far as
any scheme or anything like that, but as far as
it's just the overall foremance of certain players, I think
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I was looking at the offensive line in the defensive
line more than anything too, okay, and it wasn't it
for me. It wasn't until the fourth quarter that I
started to see the offensive line get any push, all right,
Guys like MafA, the running back man, he was running
like the rent was due. And I liked that, all right.
I like that. I liked the challenge that he brought.
But the defensive line, to me, was where I really
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had the biggest concern. And again, these are third and
four fifth string guys that we're looking at but just
wanting to get some push. And I know they were
dealing with double teams pretty primarily the whole game, but
that's what a lot of teams brought to us last season,
double team in the one technique, and if you couldn't
anchor down, you were getting pushed into those linebackers, as
we talked about the other day. And you still had
a little bit of that as well. And so yeah, yeah, yeah,
(05:48):
the thirty one to twenty one at the end, you know,
I just think that for it could have been worse.
It absolutely could have been worse, because I felt like
that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Missed a lot of wide open guys.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But Bill, you and Isaiah did a wonderful job, and
Isaiah was pointing out some things about the defense, and
I think that Cowboy Nation and other people need to
know that these guys on that front line are just
playing too high, the pad level, all of those things.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's what we said. Everyone's vertical, that's what we said,
and that one's vertical. I remember that term.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
It just made for sloppy play for the defensive line.
So that was pretty much my take. But I just
wanted to forget the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And see with me. Yes, those were thirty four teamers
and no one knew their names. Well, hell, I didn't
know any of the rams names either. They were thirty
four stringers as well. So to me, I would you
have to find an individual within those groups, certain individuals
that you can say, Okay, that guy improved. And we
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talked about that last week about certain guys need to improve.
I didn't see certain guys improving in that regard. The
other thing that I saw the scheme itself. We know
what happened last year, and we've been practicing all training camp,
all training camp on making our scheme work. The scheme
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still looks the same because no individual stepped up and
made any plays to break that pattern that we have
here and the pattern that we have one hundred and
eighty plus yards rushing. Am I right in a freaking
preseason game dude, their blocking scene seems to be together
by those third and fourth stringers. We still got guys vertical.
(07:31):
We still have guys can't get off the blocks, and
when they do get off the blocks, they're so late.
The guy's grabbing on to them and here comes the
running back going full speed. He splits them. That's what
we saw all last year. We saw also no coordination
in our attack. I don't care how young you are,
you still have to know when you got to set
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the adds damage. You got to set the aedds. That's
number one. Number two, don't get cut off when this
guy does set the aedds because there were times when
the edge was set, the running back still had room
fake him out, come back inside, and still dip back
out of that because there was no pursuit. We saw
the same thing and we saw last year. I know
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it's throwing the four stringers, I get that, But the
scheme itself that we've been working on, that we've been
trying to improve from last year, all of that training
camp is as if it didn't compute in the player's heads.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
All right, I'll say one thing about you couldn't you
couldn't make Micky let me say this one thing and
and give you a chance here that it's very difficult
not to play too high in the interior of the
defensive line when they've got a five to eleven center.
Willy lamp get stuck Will lamp out of North Carolina,
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undrafted rookie playing the center and go. You can find
some of the video of him. I think Brandon Thorn
is the guy that tweeted out maybe some of it
in his blocking at five eleven, five eleven, two hundred
and ninety pounds and he's playing and.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He was putting in the world. He was putting in
the work because we were right up.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
He was only a little taller than Mickey, and he
was putting to the work. All right, Mickey, I just
wanted to throw that in turn.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Their their backups were better than the Cowboys backups. And
you can't scheme? Could could could the scheme change the
team in nineteen eighty nine? You can tell me all
about scheme, But if I ain't got any players to
play the scheme, then how do you know what the
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scheme is? Look at who played on defense? One guy
on that starting defense would start if the Cowboys were
in their three or four to three defense, and it
would have been Leophile and you saw him play right.
He was the best defensive player on the field. And
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he only played ten snaps. I don't know if Mozzy
Smith will start. He started in that game. He played
ten snaps. So they didn't play guys that are gonna
actually play. They got more. And I don't know if
Hekmasa said this, they got more out of the scrimmage
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then they did this game because at least they played
their guys. Now, if you wanted to criticize them in
the scrimmage, go ahead, because they played everybody. And look,
if you can't if you can't get good quarterback play,
you can have the greatest scheme in the world and
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you're not going to be successful. And the quarterback play
was horrible to me. It was up and down, and
you can't overcome a quarterback. You can overcome other things,
but you can't overcome the quarterback. And somehow, some way,
they put twenty one points on the board.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I just wanted to pickyback off of Whateverson was saying,
and I think not to say anything contradictory what Mickey
is saying. The scheme when you had a guy sit
in the edge and the linebacker is supposed to be
pursuing underneath, and nobody grades out on at all in
a football game.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
But you see guys taking bad angles, you know. You
see guys trying to cut underneath the block instead of
coming over the top of it, and that's leaving a gate.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Patrol on the back. That's right, right. You don't have
to scheme basic fess all, yeah, you got it. You
have to know when there's a a a tight wide
receiver off the line of scrimmage and he goes in
motion they snapped the ball, Hey, maybe this guy's gonna
hit me in my ear hole. Little things like that.
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You should know that from college. Your defensive play of
the year. You should know that in college, there's no
way you should be surprised by someone trying to stop you.
I'm saying to edge, not only from that individual standpoint,
it's what we saw all last year. Still giving up
the edge from last year and spags. There's a scheme,
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and then there's just knowing football. You don't have to
scheme knowing football. You don't have to scheme knowing how
to pursue the football. That's what I'm concerned about. I
use the word scheme spags, but when it comes down
to it, this is just basic ABC one, two three football.
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And I'm just a little disappointed that some of these
young players. And yes, I know they're young, and now,
yes I know they're going up against another player, but
I damn, dude, you can still make a play. I mean,
I can give them all the excuses in the world
not to make a play. Give them an excuse to
make a play.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
How many points did Philadelphia give up? World champions? I
don't know what he's talking about, anybody. We went tonight
their preseason game Eagles, because how many points did Philadelphia
give up? How many points did Philadelphia give up this weekend?
Please help?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
They gave up twenty seven to the Bengals. They won
thirty four to twenty.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
K and they didn't play anybody on defense, not a soul.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, oh, here's a good one. So the Commanders,
how many did the Commanders give up? They gave up
forty eight points to the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Row bad scheme, bad scheme, You guys. You just have
to put it in context of what you saw. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
If that was the front line players out there, then
I'm with you, right, they didn't have Leah File was
the only starter on the field and he played ten snaps.
So half the guy you got your setting the bar
too low, Spags don't know. I'm not because these guys
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aren't gonna be on this. They're not gonna be on
the team.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No one, but everyone wants to spend the night at
your house. Nobody wants to spend the night in my house.
You're the best.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Well, I would not want to be at your house. Yeah,
because you're gonna you're gonna put this. You're gonna put
the real children into bed, and you're gonna have all
these neighborhood kids trying to run the house cold.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You gonna you're gonna put your own kids to bed,
and the neighborhood kids right, whatever they want to do.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
My neighborhood kids were good. My kids will suck the
way these would understand. All right.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
All I know is there's ninety guys. There are ninety
guys on this roster, and I guarantee you forty five
of them from Saturday night aren't gonna be on the team.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Oh wow, Okay, when we come back Mickey will tell
us which forty five are not.
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All right, we continue here on mixed shots, and I
teased we talk quarterbacks from when we come back here,
and Mickey's already hit on it a little bit about
the quarterback play. Let's dive into Joe Milton here and
here were his numbers from Saturday night, seventeen of twenty nine,
one hundred to forty three yards, one touchdown, one interception. Also,
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which don't show up in those numbers, was a two
point conversion pass then was completed as well. Nicky, let's
start with you, just your overall take on what you
saw from Joe Milton in Cowboys preseason game number one.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, I thought at best it was average. He gave
himself a D D minus. Here's my deal. He missed
too many open wide receivers. There were too many times
he was late on the throw and he's trying to
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use his arm to compensate with his eyes. Didn't see
soon enough, and sometimes it just doesn't work when you're
trying to fit it in to a small window. If
I was them, and I understand he hasn't played a lot,
but what if he has to play, if he's your
backup quarterback, I don't know that you can feel good
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about that at this point, and the clock's ticking. They
only got two more preseason games to go, and I
don't know how much better you get after you've had
that many snaps and now you get to play again.
He just doesn't have enough experience to compensate for whatever
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talent he has. And so from a backup quarterback standpoint,
to me, you've got to rely on your experience. You've
seen things, you've done things. He's played one NFL game,
and I always thought from the minute they traded for
him and everybody said, well the Cowboys got their backup quarterback.
(19:58):
Well maybe he's the backup quarterback of the future, but
if you go off that performance, I don't think he's
your backup quarterback today.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You know, SPACs, you talked about his lack of experience,
So this would be his second NFL game, correct, Well.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
He played, he played three preseason games, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And then he had the one regular season game at
the end of the year last year against Buffalo backup players.
Last regular season.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Game, and it's a different scheme as well, right, I
mean you're talking about a whole different offense that he
had to learn when he came here. Is that correct? Yes?
And so when when you start.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, trial, well.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Objection leading Joe Milton's.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I did see SPACs some really bad throws. I looked
to see. I wanted to see more improvement because I
start in training camp he was looking decent, but once
he got under the center in this game, he totally digressed.
I don't know how he was able to do that
so quickly, I mean from past one and so that
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was a little bit disheartening. You could see the talent, though,
you could see the physical ability that he has. Some
of the throws that he made last night were amazing,
and some of the throws he made, oh my god.
One guy came across the middle on I think it
was a rollout. He was wide open. I mean there
was no one around him, and I don't know whether
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Helly was throwing the ball, but it was nowhere close
to a wide open receiver. And it wasn't off of
a scramble. This was designed for that He's supposed to
hit him where he's supposed to hit him. He was
nowhere close. That is disheartening because it lets you know
that he can be extremely erratic, and that's not what
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we need right now from a quarterback. I wish he
was come He would come along faster. Maybe the rest
of these preseason games they might try and get him
in because as the game went on, except for that
disastrous past I just spoke of previously, he looked decent
enough without committing too many turnovers. And that's what I
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worry about, silly turnovers if we have a backup come
in and got missing wide open players. Once he got
warmed up a bit, he did show what his potential is,
but we can't win on potential he had.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
He had one interception on the throw in the end zone.
He could have had three interceptions, Yes, one early and
then the one that Charles Woods help could have taken
to the house.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, I just felt, you know, look, here's for me,
Joe Milton. I'm going to allow some grace here in
this first preseason game. And the reason being is for
what you just talked about him coming from one system
to another, and he's still a developing quarterback. When you
think about the NFL and the guys that had a
Holliser for an arm. Guys like Bobby Bristter, Jeff George,
guys like that, but Brett varvvre. But the one thing
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that they did have, they had touch. They could a
little bit of touch. Maybe not Bubby Bristol, but I'm
just saying a little bit of touch on those passes.
It just seemed like that for a rookie quarterback or
second year quarterback, what do you want to do. You
want him to get comfortable by throwing the short stuff,
and he couldn't throw that, And it was a guy
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right there coming across the coverage. Just dump it down
to him, make the easy throws. And again, maybe it
was his nerves, maybe whatever it was. And sometimes a
guy can be erratic because of that. But I think
back quarterbacks all have a certain trait. They're late and
he throw the ball behind, and that's a defense's dream
because most of the time that goes the other way.
He still has to develop, and in the development phase
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of this, I know there's not going to be a
lot of grace for that because we've seen Dak Prescott
get hurt, We've seen the backup have to step in
at least for a few games and I don't know
after that preseason game if you still have the confidence
that Joe Milton can do that. So look, I'm anxious
to see if he calms his nerves a little bit
and comes out better against Baltimore at home.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Here that Saturday night against Baltimore, well at home, and
so following Friday against Atlanta. Okay, make he go ahead.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
I was gonna say, so, you're giving him a pass,
But the other guys you're saying they should know the
system better. You can't have it both ways, right.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I actually can in this situation because he's the quarterback,
and he is a guy that's coming in to the team.
The guys that I'm talking to.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Well, the center might be the center might be.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
About a brand new guy. That's why I'm giving him
that grace mixing.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
The center might be Wait, the center might be brand new, right,
The right guard might be brand new. The defensive tackle
might be brand new. But you graded them like they were.
And now when the backup quarterback comes in and starts,
you're saying, well, we got to be patient.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Bags. I'm grading them as football players. When it comes
to playing quarterback, you gotta know how to throw the ball.
But you also have to know a scheme. When I'm
talking about basic pursuit technique, you don't have to be
a started. Well, how about it, that's like running.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
How about a basic ten yard pass?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We do a pursuit drill in practice, and I see
a linement that doesn't know how to pursue. That's the
same as that. But if you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Playing, well, I want a quarterback that can throw a
ten yard pass. Me too, I want a quarterback that
can throw a ten yard pass. Yeah, got nothing to
do with scheme or an experience.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Now we're still on his butts bags.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
He's not. What I'm saying is he's not ready.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh we are too. We're saying that is okay.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Well we agree with you. So so my guess is
a Donagy might not be ready to start at right tackle.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
That's alchemi energy. Yeah, ye, seventy five?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Did you know he did you know he was on
the field.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
He saw him on the sack Josiah Stewart had a sack,
went by the right tackle. Seventy five.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
See Bill do it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
All right? Uh?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
As far as the court, the Will Greer comes into
the game after and apparently Milton's okay, right, the elbow
is okay.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
They're saying, yeah, it wasn't Yeah, they were saying that
it wasn't serious.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
He said, it's like he hit his funny bone.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
He was throwing passes on the sideline by the bench.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
And he grabbed his helmet like he was going back in.
And they said, naw, let's let's just want to make it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
To say, what I'm about to say has nothing to
do with Will Greer's performance on Saturday Night at all.
But if you go back and look at Will Geer's career,
he's now thirty years old, and his talent coming out,
not only going back to even high school National Player
of the Year in high school. Then he goes to Florida.
He has a red shirt freshman, becomes a starter at Florida,
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started six games, and then the NCAAA came down on him.
He bought a used a over the counter drug that
got on the NCAA LISP and he didn't check with
his trainers. He got suspended for a year, so he
winds up having to transfer to West Virginia. Finished fourth
in the Heisman voting at West Virginia. Now in the NFL,
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he started two Gamess, a third round pick of the Panthers.
Okay started two games for Carolina. I don't know what
all went on there, Okay. So now he's been a
journeyman since he came here. Then he last year he
was with a couple of different teams, wound up on
philadel If his practice squad, Cowboys picking up late in
the year. Now he's back here, Okay, and we've seen
him play in the preseason before.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
The only reason I even bring this up is I'm
scratched my head ever since Okay brought him back last
year and then Schottenneimer seems to like him. Okay, Dak.
You know he fits in well within the quarterback room
with Dak. Okay, now he's here, I'm sitting there going Okay.
Now he's thirty years old, and this is does he
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have a spot on this roster once September hits. So
it's going to be interesting to see and if he
gets some playing time here. But what I'm getting to is,
I look around the league and I see case Keenum.
It was a world of difference. Yesterday in the Chicago game.
I'm sitting there watching him when he comes into the game,
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as a thirty seven year old in these preseason games,
and he knows exactly where he looked like a precision
And of course case Keenum had his opportun tunity with Minnesota.
This is going back now eight years ago, twenty seventeen. Okay,
leads him to the playoffs and then got a conference
championship game, didn't there right there?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And they lost The Eagles lost the Eagles in the
championship game in seventeen. Okay. Then he goes to Denver whatever,
and now he sits here forever. Okay. I look at
Geno Smith. Gino Smith out of the same school Will
Greer was at West Virginia, and he gets because he
was a high draft pick. He plays immediately with the Jets,
starts for two years and is a bust quote unquote bust.
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Then he sits for a decade. Basically, it wasn't quite
a decade, but it was a good six or seven
years where he doesn't get an opportunity at all. Then
he finally he's out of football. He didn't even play
in twenty nineteen. And then he's with Seattle and then
he becomes a starter and then he you know, and
so my point on all this is experience matters so
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much in this league. That's why I'm giving right guy
like Joe Milton, for a guy like Trey Lance, for
those kind of guys. If you don't get that opportunity,
then you can't improve as a quarterback. So this is
the opportunity for Joe Milton to improve Dak Prescott. What's
the best thing that happened to Dak Prescott in twenty sixteen.
It wasn't Tony Romo's injury which gave him a chance.
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The best thing that happened for him is they had
an offensive line. The Cowboys had an offensive line, and him,
at a fourth round draft pick, was able to have
success his first year, get his sea legs in the league,
and the rest, as they say, is history. And so
that's just a little perspective. I don't even even with
Will Grier, I count him in the hunt here to
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be to win a spot on this roster.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
But you got to have a roster offensively such as
that one. That's right. I don't think we have that
roster offensively offensive line, I don't mean offensive left.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
They're building it, but it's trying.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
We're trying to get that culture back. But we had
that culture of a running game with Demarchael Murray was
and when he you know, he was there with Romo.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
And then Zeke came in twenty sixteen and then Zeke
came out.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So we had that culture was already established. We don't
have that re established here yet. Yep.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, I mean to add to that.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Making Well, here's the here's the comparable. What's the difference
between Joe Milton and Trey Lance experience?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
What's what's the difference between them?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Oh, you said trade, Yeah, it's the same guy. It's
the same guy.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Milton Milton. Since twenty eighteen, Milton has thrown one hundred
passes more passes than Trey Lance has since twenty eighteen,
which isn't much for either one of them.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And what was trade? And what was Trey Lance last year?
The third quarterback?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Right? Yep?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So you ate got I think he should be, but
I don't know who's the backup, you know, is the
backup somewhere? I don't know, some other team's gonna cut
some quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Milton still got a couple more opportunities here to prove
he can be the he does number two guy here.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
And That's what I talked about, maybe these remaining preseason
games he might be able.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
To see that improvement, show some improvement.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And get more of a comfort zone. Because you could
clearly see that the kid was nervous. And I don't know,
I understand that the kid is nervous. He's coming to
a new system, new team, all of that, but I
still wanted him to be able to throw basic passes
to get himself comfortable.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
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Speaker 2 (32:33):
I don't know if the wide receivers and he were
not on the same page, that could have been the problem.
But whatever it is, if I'm a coach, I'm going
to send him out there under conditions that are going
to make sure that he can succeed. And I believe
that's what they tried to do. With that result, they
did not do it. That's that's why I'm disappointed.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I can't believe Mickey called me out when I was
trying to be diplomatic.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Okay, I was trying to.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
You were being you know, you weren't being diplomatic with
the with the offense and defensive lines, know you weren't.
You were crushing them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
All right, I was crushing them. I was the wrong guy.
The wrong guy. Okay, okay, we will.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
We will try to reach Mickey's standards for his show
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Speaker 3 (36:00):
All right, we continue on Mick Schanzer, our final segment.
Here we are in Frisco, where right now it's eighty
seven degrees with a higher ninety four. We had a
cold front come through this week. The high in the
next couple of days ninety two degrees.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
More than that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You're in Frisco. Meanwhile, Mickey is in Oxnard for a
few more days where it's still sixty five degrees. It's
constantly sixty five degrees there in Oxnard. But the Cowboys
break camp on Thursday, they come home, they play Baltimore
on Saturday night in the final preseason game, the following
Friday against Atlanta, and open practices next week on Tuesday
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and Wednesday, the nineteenth and the twentieth. Hey, how about this,
the final roster cuts across the league. It's two weeks
from tomorrow, on August twenty sixth. That's how close we
are to get in this thing started.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Let's go initially.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, all right, how about us standout or two that
who cut your eye in a positive way on Saturday night.
Start with you every Sunday and go heck money.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm so glad you want to start me because I
still have a little side note here. As much as
I loved you guys in the booth, uh, I hated
the broadcasting of the show itself. There was not enough replays. Okay,
not nearly enough replays because I'm trying to figure out
who's making tackle? What number is this guy?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Wasn't numbers that guy another on the sideline?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Come on? Oh yeah, I did see that from the
local news that that.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Was they got it from. It was incredible from our broadcast.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, yeah, that was great. That was the best.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
All Yemen was all over that on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
But that that was the best that they did. Otherwise
I couldn't tell who was who half the time because
they were just moving on with the game. But they
did have one player.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
You talked about him, number forty eight, if I'm not mistaken.
He was a linebacker and you talked about how.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
He oh no, just safety Zion Childress.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Children good player, yeah, good player made a lot.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Of the Kentucky started his career at Texas State. But
he's and he has he has opened up some eyes
from the from the get go.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
He reminded me, even though I think it's a different position.
He reminded me of luifoul in the way how he
played downhill downhill, the aggressiveness, no diagnosing quickly and making moves.
But when you're the only one doing that, it doesn't
turn out well because as he's turning things in, they're
still able to get outside. Because once again we talked
about that no pursuit coming from the inside. But I
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thought that he did a damn good job.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Childress and sub packages especially. I mean he's in contention
to and it was the way he was used by
Mark Stoops at Kentucky. Uh he had last year he
had six tackles for loss.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Uh you bragged on him real well, yeah, yeah, he
did a good job.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well thank you. Yeah, one guy that I did some research.
He was also a two year team captain at Kentucky.
Always like that in the Big Green Notebook too. But
he's only he's five eleven to two oh three, so
he's a dB.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's good. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
But the instincts and all of that looks like.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Sean Lee type of thing. We always talking about Sharlie
with a quick diagnosis playing downhill.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Good eye there, forty eight Zion Childress.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Say, if you're gonna be wrong, be wrong fast, right,
do it all fast. Marsh Le obviously jumped off the
page for me, and I came in looking for him
to be that player. But I also was looking at
Shamar James, our rookie number fifty. They said a lot
about him coming out of Oxnard, so I wanted to
see what he looked like. I mean, look, he wasn't
running around blocks things. It's not like he made any
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just big time plays. But just seeing him as a
rookie in the way that he conducted himself, I think
that's better than anything. Just seeing a guy is he
is he out there playing wild?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Is he you know? Running?
Speaker 5 (39:49):
He was where he was supposed to be an absolute
you know, and so he wasn't getting blown out of
gaps things like that. So I mean, look, thirty five
and fifty for me, and linebacker was where I was looking,
and I was impressed there.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
And the other thing about Shamark James, he's so young.
He just turned twenty one last month, and so that's
another guy that's you can He's got a lot of promise.
All right, Mickey, who's a guy for you?
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Well, I'm not going to go with the obvious one,
Malik Davis. Right, we talked about him a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Talked but.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
A young guy, a young guy that has been stepping
up here and might force their hand. Wide receiver Trey
Shawn Holden. Yes, he's a rookie free agent and he
just keeps making plays. Now, I don't know if there's
a room at the end because if you look at
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the wide receiver position, you can almost name five guys.
I think there's like three guys that are trying to
say you got to keep six, uh, and I think
he's one of them. I think he's on the practice
squad for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
But that's a question.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
That's the thing that I'm not sure of. I don't
think he's a return guy. And if he was a
return guy, he would be a backup return guy because
we know who the return guy is. But as a
as ever kicks what yeah exactly, because if you try
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the plays he's making, and you saw him make a
couple back to back in the game, and he's made
some spectacular catches out here in practice. You might not
be able to get him to the practice squad because
somebody might say, well, I kind of like that guy. Now,
I know everybody out there has a receiver like this,
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and so you sit there and go, I don't know
if we can get him the practice squad. Well, I
think everybody's got somebody like him that's coming out of nowhere.
But I think he's been a pleasant surprise for this
offensive staff. The way he conducts himself. And remember he
was at Oregon with Junior Adams, the wide receiver coach
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was and he kind of got him here.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I guarantee you a lot about it. I guarantee you, Mickey,
he may have been a pleasant surprise to the rest
of the staff. I guarantee you he's not a surprise
to his position coach, Junior Adams, who as you had
him for two years at Oregon and they had they
had some studs at the wide receiver position at Oregon
two and he had forty five catches in five touchdowns
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last year, and his first year at Oregon thirty seven
catches and six touchdowns with Bo Nick throwing him the ball.
And by the way, prior to that, he was at Alabama,
and so you know, he had a lot of talent
coming out of high school. The reason he went undrafted though,
well that was a question. And also a four five
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seven forty thirty two vertical ten three broad jump not
great explosion there, and that's a reason why goes undrafted.
There's a whole bunch of wide receivers that are going
to become available two weeks from tomorrow, and so you
might be able to slip him through.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
But we'll see not only him, but also Jalen Brooks
if we can mention him Jalen Brooks, and you talk
about a guy that can do it on special teams,
you know what, he could be a gunner for you.
You know, I think it's a curious case for this
guy holding and if he can continue to make plays
like this again all the whispers coming out of ox
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N artists, he's putting a lot of pressure on guys
that have been comfortable with being on this on this
roster but not making any plays from the you know,
fifth and fourth wide receiver standpoints. So there's some jobs
in danger if he continues to play like this.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
My thing is practice is one thing. I gotta see
something in the game. I just remember when me and
Mike came out, Mike Down showed himself on the practice field,
and he showed himself in the game immediately. Special teams
Mike Down's first play they made block the punt. He
made that in the game. You see. So I'm not
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talking about potential or in the practice field. I'm talking
about playing in a ball game, making plays in the game.
I don't care about practice. I'm talking about making plays
in the game which showed me that you can do something.
Guys like that. We knew they came out right away
making plays in the preseason games.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Ever, Sen then it's something when they turn the score
clock on, God's changed.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I don't know what. The only thing happened was they
turned the scoreboard on. But I think it's like when
you when like in the gym, like when I play basketball,
there's one thing they ought to be in your gym.
But then when you go to a big gym at
a big school, all of a sudden, the basket looks different,
the depth perception is different. All of a sudden, everything changes.
The lights are brighter, and that's where you find your
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players when you have those kind of issues, the ones
that can adjust that, and who am not afraid, and
the whole idea, the whole mindset is, I am not
going to fail.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
You know who comes to mind Israel mccuonma is He
mccona because it were never twenty four right, hadn't heard
anything about him and practice had it and then all
of a sudden he makes it out.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Does it every season.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
All right?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Make you wrap it up for us.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
So the bottom line to this whole thing is that
when we were talking about you know, who played and
who didn't play, when uh, they get into a real
game with the real players in there and somebody gets
hurt and it's like, Okay, t J. Bass, you're in
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the ball game, right. But he's not bringing Sadiq Charles
uh with him. He's not bringing brock Hoffmann with him,
he's not bringing I Dentergy with them. It's just one
guy going in to fill a spot. So it's hard
to judge a lot of this when you're playing a
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whole unit of backups, right, So I think you got
to be able to see the starters in there, and
then you can talk about the system. Then you can
talk about the talent, but when you're playing backups, and
I looked at Philadelphia, the entire team was playing with backups, right,
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So I think you just have to kind of at
ease with the analysis of the whole game, and you
got to just look at individual players like you guys
did pointing out Leo File pointing out as a Roku.
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Guys like that. James, Now, he wasn't perfect because he
missed a couple of coverages, but he saw him make
some plays and that's what you have to do. But
you can't judge everybody in a group when that group
is not going to play, and if it is going
to play, then you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
All right.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And by the way, you're speaking of the Eagles, the
injury coming out of their camp this morning, was it
yesterday Dickerson. I was just searching to see if there
was an update. He a leg injury and he was
carted off from practice yesterday. A Pro Bowl offensive guard
for them. Wow, so that would be a big So
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we'll see. But I have not seen the game. They
stopped the game. This was a practice yesterday, And I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
They actually stopped a preseason game because someone.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, the Detroit game. Yeah yeah, and apparently he's doing
all right, He's okay yeah, so okay, yeah yeah, all right?
Does it for this edition of Mixed Shots. How about
we do it again at eleven o'clock Central Time on Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (48:03):
You want to do that of course?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
All right, thanks for joining us here for Mick Shans,
and we'll see you Wednesday at eleven Gold Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
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