Player's Lounge: A Fresh Start

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,
Anthony dor Sat, de Montree Moore, and newly scrugs.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yo, what you do.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
It's the Player's Lounges. Yeah, we're back in the house again,
and you know what it is. It's some former players
talking a little bit of football. I got in here
with me today, my man Demontre Moore, me and my
boy Jesse Holly. Oh yes, yes, yes, he's in the building,
and so you know, we we we normally take our
take our time to get it to get into things,

(00:55):
but we're just gonna have to jump right into right now.
On who I'm sorry and it's my name is Anthony
Dors said, yes, and this is the Players Lindes, brought
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I'm just a little bit excited.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
About the news. You know, we'll tell me more so.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm sure you've heard, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Sure everybody out there has heard already that the Cowboys
just released Trayvon Diggs of course, you know, we've got
one game left in the season, a few days left
in the building. But for some reason they felt like
this is something that needs to be done on the
day off, and uh, you know, needless to say. You know,
I'm sure it's a surprising move, but I'm sure a

(01:37):
lot of people are not surprised by the move. Just
about happening at this time of the season. Of course, now,
you know, with with with everything going into it, and
I know you guys had a chance to talk about
a little bit earlier hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
With the boys. But what what is what is this message?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
What is this being said right now by making this
move right now at this point in the time of
the season we said days left.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I mean, Jesse, what are you getting from this.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
As far as a locker room to meet nothing? As
you guys all know, this isn't just performance, you know.
Clarence HILLDLS reported yesterday that one of her socials told
him that there was a This was a culmination of
things that have happened over the course of the year,
some of it having to do with play, some of

(02:25):
it having to do with training and rehabbing, something having
to do with attitude and of course we have the
off the field heal that's happening as well with Trayvon
dis It's it's it's a it's a culmination of all
of these things. And you know, I've had people, you know,
tell me and talk to me about things of and
you guys understand this where the outside don't hear what

(02:48):
it sounds like in a defensive back meeting room when
he's telling the coach something or when it's an offensive
defensive meeting and he laying into the defensive coordinator in
front of the room.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
I've been in them.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
I've been in those meeting I've been in meetings one
of in particular my rookie year, uh, you know, and
and hearing hearing T. J. Huschman's outa tell our wide
receiver coach that you know, hey man, if you stop
bothering me about this, I'll stop telling them that you
don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
And I'm a rookie and I'm a rookie, and I'm like,
is this how this goes?

Speaker 5 (03:20):
You know?

Speaker 6 (03:20):
Here seeing Chad Johnson answer a cell phone in a
meeting room, me like, hold on, coach and answer his
cell phone. And I'm like so it's those type of
things that you don't see, you know, over the course
of time. You know that that was talked about, that
came from uh uh Trayvon Diggs. And again, no one's
surprised at it. I think people didn't expect it to

(03:41):
happen on Tuesday, right, you know, of this week, but everybody,
every everybody knew this was this was this was a
part of what was going to happen to Trayvon Diggs
in his future with the Cowboys.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
Man definitely, we said, we said, what's that old saying
they used to have The roosters are coming home to
crow like you said, this is a combination of things.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
It's the last game before the season.

Speaker 8 (04:03):
You're just not getting active, you're getting off ir like
we've all said it that on the show plenty of times.
You come to the players lounges to hear perspective when
you're coming off of injury. If you're that guy that
kind of get rushed back from your injury just so
you can kind of get out of there and they
cut you immediately, it's because they've been waiting on it.
Something has been building up, whether it's a combination of

(04:24):
poor play everything. But like I told you yesterday, it's
a bogo sell. Everything must go right now. And the
one thing we can speculate why happened, how it happened,
but we know that people don't get fired one game
before the season's.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Over with and on on your off day like it
is what it is.

Speaker 8 (04:44):
And so with that being said, the one thing that
is clear, you didn't do enough to stay here, because
we all know that if you're good enough, they're going
to keep you around no matter what.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
At least they're.

Speaker 8 (04:55):
Gonna say, hey, you know what, we didn't have you
here on the game. For viewers that don't know about that,
once you become a VET and you become vested after
you've been active for three games, your whole contract is
guaranteed as a player. So if I get cut, I
can say, hey that year, let for that season, I
could say, you know what, cut me, I still get
this money.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
So nine times out of ten, with most vets, if.

Speaker 8 (05:18):
You're on the roster for that time here, the organization
is going to keep you on the roster. So you
didn't do Your play wasn't good enough. And that's the thing.
When your play or when you're when everything else outweighs
your play. You know you're extendable, and right now, he
just showed that he was very extendable.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
And to your point, Trayvon Diggs, if he is claimed
off waivers, right, whoever team that picks him up will
have to pay the four hundred and twenty something thousand
dollars for that would be his week, his week, his
salary for that, and then his fifty eight thousand dollars
active bonus, So just about a half a million dollars

(05:58):
is what would be old to him if a team
decides to pick him up off of waivers with the
next company. And then let me also say this for
those who may not be aware of how the waiver
wire works, right, because there's a difference between being you know,
released and being cut.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
Right.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
When you have a guy that's cut, that means he
now is free to go and to sign anywhere that
he wants today. When you're released and you have to
go through the waiver wire, it goes through a pecking order,
so takes last year's draft order whatever however that broke down, right,
And then now from team thirty two to one, they

(06:36):
all get a chance to say yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
If everybody says no, and you make it through the waivers,
now you become basically an unrestricted free agent where you
can go and sign anywhere you want, but it has
to go through every single team has to say yes
or no, well one or the other.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
And before you get to that point.

Speaker 8 (06:55):
And if they claim you they are responsible for your contract,
the contract they they on mistaken. He's still under contract
until twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Correct, correct, no more guaranteed money.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Don't correct, No more guarantee.

Speaker 8 (07:07):
But if somebody picks it up and they just say, hey,
we want to keep you for this right here, we
can possibly restructure.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
It doing that, Yeah, they can do.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
We got we're going to have the we have the
leg room to keep you there if we want to.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Now, the crazy part about it is when you say,
go through the draft order from last year, and the
teams that are typically going to be their worst teams
are going to be those teams that are going to
have their first pick at him. Correct, all right, but
now you look at it, some of those teams that
were the worst teams last year, or one of them
pops to my mind right now that would have a
chance to possibly get him that is, going into the playoffs,

(07:41):
like there may be a favorable situation for him at
the end of the day, because like a team like
Chicago correct or, you know, and if you look at
it like that, like the Cowboys, I know, they're not
in the mood of doing him any favors, but if
something like that was to happen, like they've just done
him an incredible favor, you know. So you know that

(08:02):
being said, But like for me, it was as I'm
thinking about it, and just like you're like, it happened
on the Tuesday. It's your day off, you know what
I mean. I think jay Z and Too Short had
the song was all good just a week ago. He
was just back active again, you know, out there getting
a chance to play and everything, and then you know
this pops up, you know, of course today and it

(08:23):
was just one of those type of things where I
was just like, as I'm driving in here, I'm trying
to figure out, like, yo, what is it?

Speaker 5 (08:29):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
And and he's been in the locker room up until
this point, like like we talked about yesterday when we
talked about who could sit down, you know, and who
shouldn't and you made the point. You made a valid point, like, hey,
everybody's played UPUNTI this point, like what is this one
game going to do to make such so much of
a big difference.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (08:47):
And to me, it was more of a statement about
I felt like it was more of a character statement
than a football player statement about making this move today.
And you know, like like you try to hit onto
a little bit like what's going on behind closed doors
that we're not hearing or seeing.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Yeah, because the biggest thing is that Trayvon has been
Trayvon since we started watching this thing unfolding training camp,
when the whole thing about him not collecting the five
hundred thousand dollars because of he wasn't in place for
the right amount of percentage of time to collect that
escalator in his contract, and then the conversation began there

(09:27):
and they started even before that when they had the
conversation what let him going to Miami to train? It
was because when he was training here with Brown and
how the riffit they had about him not showing up
on time, not working when he actually did end up
showing up and not taking the rehab seriously to get
him back on the field the same way. So this
is it when we talk about it being a culmination,
This is a thing that has been building for some

(09:49):
time now.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
And you know I made light of it and hanging
with the boys. You're doing these things, you're kind of
bucking the system. Then you put out your documentary kind
of almost saying that what the ownership is saying to
you in the summertime. Yeah, he put a documentary out
about the rehab process.

Speaker 7 (10:12):
Yeah, you heard.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
I put a documentary out in the summertime, kind of
like showing folks that how he was rehabbing and how
he was getting himself better and kind of going again
countering two of to what the cowboys were saying about
his rehabit. He was showing folks that he was rehabbing
and put a document out about that. But then, you know,
it reminded me of I said, reminded me of the
fifty cent beef, right, when fifty was beefing with Joe Rule,

(10:37):
And then you get like Fat Joe and the Locks
and Jadakiss and they all do a showing with Joe
Rule saying I'm trying to bury Joe Rule and y'all
keep jumping on songs with him. And that's when I
look back in the summertime and the Joneses and Michael
Parsons are having their their thing going on there quote unquote,
you know, beef, and here you have Trayvon Dick standing

(11:00):
next to him every single time, right, So they're like,
we're trying to bury this dude.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Here you are you support.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Them standing next to them in the media, on social media.
God knows what's being said behind closed doors, you know,
in the meetings, in the locker rooms, you know.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
So it's all of that.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Finally, I guess just came to a chip, a tipping
point of just we're.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Done, you know, and did you no? So you know,
you look at it like this, like this is twenty
twenty five. He was drafted in twenty twenty, right, okay,
and just like looking at the stuff twenty twenty one,
he leaves.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
He has a decent season his first.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Year, second year, second year in the league, he's leading
the league in interceptions.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
All right, all pro pro bowler everything.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
The following year has a decent year. Of course, he
had eleven picks that first year. The following year he
had with three picks. There was a decline. Of course,
people ain't going that way that much no more if
you're going to be throwing it going again against him,
you know, the following year, so he didn't have as
many interceptions, but he still made the Pro Bowl again,
and he's made four straight Pro Bowls?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Three straight Pro Bowls?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
Did he deserve all those pro bols? Man?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
You know how it is?

Speaker 8 (12:13):
They always say exactly. I was about to say, tell
America how it is. Yeah, So the Pro Bowl thing,
don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
It helps.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
It gets you paid and some people you typically don't
get the Pro Bowl until it's the year after you
earned it, unless you just did astronomical numbers, which he did.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
He was really good.

Speaker 8 (12:30):
But I can't we all like to quote old school
songs around here. What they say, the same thing that
make you laugh, it's the same thing that make you cry.
Like he jumped balls and this and that. But guess what,
like people, they knew what to do with that. So
it wasn't that people didn't throw to him as much.
They hit him with double moves and he was getting
beat over the top. So it's like you got exposed.

(12:52):
You're a great phenomenal athlete. And that's the one thing
about the star. Certain people can handle the star and
what comes with it. But we've all seen it when
and I'm not saying it's necessarily him, but what comes
with the impact. You're gonna get more criticism, more opportunities.
And with those opportunities, are you gonna work hard to
put your head down and say, hey, I'm gonna get

(13:14):
here and I'm gonna stay here and show y'all that
I belong here, or are you gonna say, hey, my
stuff don't stink and you start thinking a little too
highly of yourself. Like you said, you're sitting here bucking
the system, so what you expect to happen to them?
So for me, it's just like nah, bruh. And it's
like with the Michael thing. I told you. Sometimes it's

(13:34):
okay for an organization and a good player to disagree
because you get a new situation, a new environment you
might do good. Prime example, look at George Picken. People
labeled him a problem and all this and that, and
now he's a top five receiver, maybe number one in
the league right now, just for a new environment.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
So hopefully that does happen with dis right now.

Speaker 8 (13:56):
But for whatever the case may be, you wasn't productive
enough for the guys to say, hey, let's at least
keep you on a sinking defense until the end of
this year.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
So between your production and the other stuff, you gotta
go bruh, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
So it's it's a it's a slippery slope, man, you know,
because one of the things that my dad used to
say to me all the time, and I've said it
on here multiple times is small things make big things happen,
you know what I mean. And the culmination of events,
you know, and just the repeated offender, the guys just
habitually crossed the line, you know what I mean. And

(14:32):
but but what the message that I'm looking at that
it's also sending to the other guys in the locker
room at this point, because we've already talked about and
and just a culture shift, you know, something that that
needs to happen inside of the building, outside of it
just being you know, trying to figure out how to
win some games. But then at the same time, like

(14:54):
what is going to be the mood of the team
or the heartbeat of the team and the culture of team.
And I think that would you know, this sends a
message not only to the young guys you know, who
have looked up to Diggs and and like knows how
much money he's made and everything else like that, but
this is a message to some old dudes that might

(15:15):
not be you know, as far as like totally totally
bought into the system and everything else like that.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know, it's it's, it's it's just it just goes.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
To say that, you know, like you said, when you're
when you're, when your play is not up to par
as your problems, you know there's going to be an
exit for you sooner or later. You know, we got
we gotta take our first break, pay some bills. But uh,
when we come back, I want to jump back into
a little bit this Trayvon Diggs thing and and talk
a little bit more about it and see what's your

(15:44):
thoughts about, you know, leadership as far as not that
he's outside of the building. Who the Cowboys can lean on,
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Speaker 4 (18:43):
Right, Hey the TV show, now, you know we jumped
all over it in the first segment talking about Digs
and uh, just just him being released during the Tuesday
and everything else like that. Now this last game of
the season, you know, and and the guy has already

(19:04):
got a lot of on their mind.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
Anyway, before you jump into that, all right, before you
jump into that, that's gonna be a great topic. I
just wanted to add this a little bit of a
nugget that just just came across the news feed.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
So of course Trayvon Diggs is being released, right, and
he'll have to go through waivers and arrows talks about that.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Trayvon Diggs didn't have an agent, well now he does
now he does. Really Yeah, after the Cowboys wave Trayvon
Diggs today.

Speaker 7 (19:29):
He hired.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Lieta David.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
Of Athletes first to represent him.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
He'll now he will now go on waivers and if
he's unclaimed, he'll become a free agent.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
We all know who else is employed?

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Well, who else employs David Malogutta at his representation number
one now Michael Parsons And and and that's a little
nugget that Trayvon will now be represented by David.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
People willok at him.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Was he not represented by him before him? No? He
was not.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
Boy, Hey hey, noop, you go out there and you
get you one every time, don't you?

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Hey what that thing said? Do you think does that
really have.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Any influence on what's about to happen or what's about
to go down now? Like I mean one, yes, his
agent can go out there and talk for him and
stuff like that. But if I'm a team like you
just sorry this guy like it ain't like you've known
him or you've been with him, and this does your job?
You gotta go in the waiver wire. I can care

(20:39):
zero if this and that if you got to pick
you first.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
But the thing is is now once because like you
said earlier, he's under contract technically until twenty twenty eight, yes,
with no more guaranteed money. So whoever team now wants
to to pick up because you once you claim you
off waivers, you now pick up that contract.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Yes, David Mala get a job. Is now I come
to you and say.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Structure, Let's restructure this deal. Let's now take this thing
and make it a two year deal. Let's add a
little bit of money up front, Let's get some little
guarantees back on there. Because the last place you want
your client to be is on a contract with no
more guaranteed money. Right now, the team has kind of
like all the control with no guaranteed money on this.
So David wants to come in there, make this thing
a little bit sweet, because I think Trayvon is on

(21:20):
the hook next year. His salary is like thirteen or
fourteen million dollars or something like that in that ballpark
next year, So he may want to bring this together
and say, hey, let's just do a two year Let's
do a two year, twenty something million dollar deal. Let's
make it fifteen twenty million dollars guaranteed, and we'll move
from there. And they start kind of and I can
see Trayvon with with David mulugette as his agent, moving

(21:45):
how Durrell Revas moved back in the day. I'm not
calling Trayvon Devesdreelrivis. I'm not calling Trayvon de Deureel Rivers.
But Darrell Reevers became a mercenary, he became a higher
hit man, and he started doing a bunch of these.
One year, did one year seventeen million, one year twenty million.
He'll have a great year. He bout somewhere else, He'll

(22:06):
do another one year, And at the end of it all,
he ended up coming out of the thing with over
one hundred million dollars of guaranteed money that he had
generated by being a one year mercenary.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
Across the league.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
So I could see Trayvon kind of taking that route
for the next couple of years until a team decided,
if fifteen decide they want to sign him long term.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
If not, just keep being a one year higher hit man.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
Fifteen mil, fifteen mil, fifteen mil, fifteen mil. You keep
doing that enough times, man, you look up, you got
ten years in the league. I mean, he's already made
a boatload of money in the front end, So everything
now for him is just kind of icing on the cake.
You know what, I'm saying, cherry on top, I can
go get fifteen twenty million dollars for the next four
or five years. You look up, that's another one hundred

(22:49):
million dollars.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
It is, But.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
It's not reus were talking about, like we we're talking
about a good agent, talking about I know we're talking
about it an agent, but like, at what time do
you stop overpaying it? Like, yes, he's done what he
has done to get him paid to this point.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Is there somebody out there there's desperate enough.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
That's going to say, hey, can you get back to
your stardom days and we might overpay you. Yeah, but
that's gonna be at best one year then after that, Like,
I don't say that.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
I don't think of one year fourteen to fifteen million
dollar deals overpaid.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
It's it's not to the right getting more.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
Than that, like Rivers was getting more on the like
in his time, he might have been getting fifteen seventeen
to twenty million dollars back. Now again, this is ten
years ago, fifteen years of dollars ago, right, that was
high end, top level dollars.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
That would be good money for digs right now today period.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
I mean it would be good money for him, But
I don't see him getting that multiple times that not
like you said, he had one year where it was like, Okay,
you came out rookie year, you know, we tried something new,
you make a position change, and like, oh there's potential,
there's upside, and then the next year it's like, hmm,
guess what. You go out here and you lead the

(24:05):
league in picks and stuff like that. But after that,
it ain't like you led the league in uh, you know, PBUs.
It ain't like you led the league and came close
to the leading the league and picks. Again, it's not
like you've been known for being a blamer. So it's
just kind of like, at what point in time does
your value start to so?

Speaker 6 (24:23):
Okay, So right now they're saying elite corners. We're talking about.

Speaker 12 (24:27):
Like you know, Patrick Stained, Stingley, Czy Horn, which by
the way, they're represented by day will Agin, So like Stingley,
I think J. C.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
Horn, I knowingly maybe all three of them.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
A Horn is still so you.

Speaker 6 (24:48):
Know those guys, those guys are averaging on the upwards
of like twenty four twenty five million dollars a year,
and then they put they put kind of put in
a high end starter brings in a bring anywhere between
ten and fifteen million dollars per year. A mid range
to average starter brings in about five to nine million
dollars a year. So I don't know where you're gonna

(25:10):
put Trayvon in that second one. And that if he's
in the highest starter, as I said, he's in that
ten to fifteen millis, I'm talking about five nine million dollars.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I'm doing five to nine because you haven't. You haven't.
It's just like a prison term. Man, Hey, what have
you done five to nine? Right now?

Speaker 8 (25:27):
Like in these last few years I've seen the stat
was he hasn't in the last two years, he hasn't
played over ten games, right Like, You've only appeared in
what eight and I forgot what the other number was,
and then the year before that you were in I
think that said it was thirteen games something like that.
So it's just like, in three years, you haven't given

(25:47):
me a full you haven't given me a full workload.
You can't show me that you handle that. So it's
like I'm paying you for those probos you got beforehand.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Oh yeah, we got question, But then you go out
there and you get that agent too as well, and
that agent comes with a gang of relationships, you know,
a gang of contacts we already know, so like in that,
you know, Diggs is putting himself into a position with
his agent that has a little bit of leverage to
at the end of the day, like we talk about,
like he hasn't played, He hasn't played that much, and

(26:18):
the stuff that's been out there hasn't been his best
video that he's put out there. So that's at that
point in time, you know, you're going to have to
have an agent that can honestly speak to your behalf
and kind of massage the situation a little bit more
to try to get you upwards into that and from
that lower range into that higher range if he's looking
for that, because we already know, like I'm sure, without
without question, he considers himself to be one of the

(26:40):
top corners in the NFL right now.

Speaker 8 (26:41):
Just because you consider yourself as two different things. Agent,
the guy that's going to sell you has to believe it,
you know that. And with that being said, I look
at these two guys.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
David he's the guy.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
He's one of the best agents that's out there right now,
but also with being those guys, He've had some guys
that are cooperative, that are good clients, and then you
know you got Michael Parsons those guys like that. But
what about some of those other guys that have been
high personalities that didn't work out or that's been stronger,
Say hey, they feel like they're one.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Of those guys.

Speaker 8 (27:14):
Because we all know Digs to be a strong, strong guy,
a strong personality between him and his brother, it has
been proving time and time again.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
So I wonder, how is this going to work out
with the agent.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Is the agent's gonna just sit here and say this
is a money grab or like cause you got to
go in there and sell them.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
And also with selling.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
Them, like you said, just like you get relationships that
come with that getting your agents, you also get those
same connections whether they're good or bad, that.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
It's come with that, and vice versa.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
With him getting that player, he got those same good
connections and bad connections that are gonna come with that.
So it's not just as peaches and roses not peaches
and cream. When I say, when you sit here and say, hey,
he can come demand start up money and this and that,
because look how it ended here with Michael Parson, his
last client that was here like that.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
What's not to.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
Say that when you're coming out of this building, what's
gonna come with you outside of the building, The stats,
the reputations.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Let me just give you a rundown of David malou
Guetta's current defensive back clients. I'll start from the least
and work our way to the top. Jack Jones out
of Miami's making one point one million dollars. Noah in Monogny,
and I think he's in Washington and somewhere else now
one point five million dollars. Will Johnson Arizona making two
point three million dollars, Eric Stokes of the Vegas Raiders

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making three point five million dollars, Johnny Baron of Denver
full point five. Kenny Moore Indianapolis ten million dollars.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
That's my boy.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
Brandon Stevens of the Jets twelve million dollars. DJ Reid
of the Detroit Lions sixteen million dollars, Carl Davis eighteen
million dollars in the new Ngald Patris aj Terrell a
loant of Falcons, He's making twenty Jalen Ramsey of Pittsburgh
twenty one point one, j C. Horn twenty five, Derek
Stingley thirty. So those are the clients that you don't have.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Minco no more, I thought at one point in time.

Speaker 7 (29:05):
But yeah, so those those are the clients right now.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
From from a DB's perspective, let me look at safeties,
and he has a bunch of safeties as well.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
I mean, if we he kind of reminds me of
like when Drew roseen House was at.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
And so that's the guy who's walking in the door
and saying I need this and not not because it's
it's Traymon Day. A lot of times that agent has
that ability to kind of move that needle a little
bit because you're gonna want another guy that he may
have on your roster that might need to get signed
or wants to get signed off, some guy that's about
to come out in the draft.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
This ship he's.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Probably gonna have at athletes first. So it's always about
like you know, give or take a two to three
million dollar deal here because you're gonna make sure that
I resigned this dude and he doesn't go out in
the free agent market whenever he comes to free it.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
So it's always that give and take. But those are
some of.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
The names that David malo Guetta has on his ledger
right now and then number that they're looking at. So
he has a bunch of guys at that ten million
plus thresholding aren't first year guys.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
That's gonna be the biggest asset for him. And it
has been time and time or David has proved it
time and time again, back from my tenure when I
was signed with Athletes first and Joby Bryan was over
there with them. Guy like, he has done a great
job at keeping a stable and to leverage that, and
that's been one of his key calling cards. And so
like you said, if I'm Trayvon Diggs, hey I'm talking

(30:27):
to him. Hey I'm on this roster. But like you said,
if I see myself like those other guys use that
as leverage, you're going somewhere else and saying hey can
we come get that, And it's tend to work out
for him.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
So I hope it works out for him now.

Speaker 8 (30:39):
And the one thing I guess that's really the most
puzzling thing coming out of this equation and Jesse, you
know you're a fat guy. See over there on your phone.
How's this going to affect the cellary cap? And like
obviously he didn't have no more dead money and stuff
like that. But with the Cowboys cutting them at this time,
is there any ramification or gonna be boked like blow

(31:00):
back as far as like oh you got dead money here?

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah, that's that was gonna happen regardless, so they don't
have to don't have to have some some dead cap
money that'll that will eventually.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
Does does any of that get offseted if he gets
claimed by or organization?

Speaker 7 (31:19):
I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I mean his guaranteed money.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
It is done. So the debt money is there or
whatever is gonna be there.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, so he's pretty much done with that.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
All right.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
We gotta take one more break and when we come back,
we're gonna finish this thing out and talk about a
little bit more besides the dig situation. We will get
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Speaker 3 (35:01):
Okay, so you know, everything has been about.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Digs up to this point, and we we we've more
or less not talked about the rest of the team,
and regardless of what's going on on this Tuesday, they
still got to play a game, you know what I mean,
And it's and it's going into the last game in
the season. They already know they've been eliminated from the playoffs,
of course, And you know, I think that we've all

(35:25):
probably played in the game like this at one point
in time through our through our careers. Uh, you know,
what's trade what what what's what's your mindset? You know,
knowing that the season is over, prepping for this last game,
and and and just you know, like where are you
at and you know, in your thought processing, and just
take take their fans through it so they can understand as.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
A player, I'm gonna take them through there as the guy.
And if I had to go into the media, I'm
gonna say everything that's right. It's about the game and
it's about winning. But you know, they used to always
say back in the day, there ain't no I in team,
but they're damn sure is a meat And at this
point the last game, it is about me. And when

(36:06):
I say me, I need to be the best me
that I can be because it's not about just am
I gonna be here and what I'm doing for the
Dallas Cowboys. There's thirty one other teams that you're gonna
be interviewing for. Hopefully you are here because nobody wants
to move and all that, and you want to have
that certainty. But you're earning stuff. They just showed you
that one of the highest players on the team, if
not the high No he's not the highest Dack is,

(36:28):
but one of the highest players.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
He was extendable. He's out of here.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
They've been training for people, and on a losing organization,
everybody can leave. So for me, I'm going out there
and I'm trying to put up the stats of my
life within the system playing for the DC. And you
gotta look at that too, because as a player.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Y'all know how it is.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
Once we see at the end of the year, we
know the defensive coordinator is gonna be back here next year,
so I need to impress him to make sure I
make the place for him.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Oh, the OC's gonna be back here. Let me impress him.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
He's not gonna be back here, but let me just
go out here and make enough place to where it
rings enough bells between the fans.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
And everybody else. And for Jerry, for a guy.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
That likes numbers in the building, I'm going out there
so people can keep talking about to just build up
my resume as good as I can to where after that,
I'm gonna see where chips may fold.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
What about you, Jesse, what was your mindset like going
into the last game of the.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
Season, same thing?

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Perform this end of the game, end of the year
game for me was like the fourth preseason game. I
played whatever, still four preseason games?

Speaker 7 (37:31):
Right, you know it was an audition. It was a
flat out audition.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
I wanted I wanted them to know that the last
thing that they saw me was productivity. And because you're right,
when they go into that office and just like just
like how they begin the season, they get to that
draft room and they get into that training camp room,
everybody name goes up on the board and they start saying,
what is the guy that we're going to bring back?

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Well? You all right?

Speaker 7 (37:55):
Cool?

Speaker 6 (37:55):
Dak's name going over and he's staying board, right, he
going hit CD names going over here, He's Williams.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Certain natives go right, they here and they start looking
at where where do we need to address things in
the draft, right, not just first round pick, second round pick.
That's how do we build out our roster, and I
always wanted my name to be a name that got
shifted to the other side or they had to make
a very long, hard, tough decision on making putting me

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from the position of being here or not being here.
So going out there performed, you know, blocking assignment, alignment,
not messing up no plays, still showing them that I'm
a I'm on all four core special teams and making
plays in there and getting all that kind of stuff done. So,
you know, going out there and just really really really performing,
trying to make a play, trying to make a name
for myself, trying to put on put resume out there.

(38:45):
This resume game for me. You know, they're playing the Giants.
Giants got to see me too, right, and and other things.
I tell all young players this and this is this
still rings true till this day. I tell all my
all my young guys that I talked to the guys
that I've trained before in the past. Hey man, that
that you know I'm officer side for me. Hey dog,

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that tight end coach he a tight end coach today.
He at OC in three years. That that wide receiver coach,
he a wide receiver coach today. He might be a
wide receiver coach on another team in three years. That
that OC that you got, now he might be a
head coach in two years, or OC somewhere else in
in a couple of years running back, and they they

(39:31):
watch everything that you.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
Do, who you are as a player.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
So you know, for guys like you talked about defensively,
if Matt eber Fluss is not going to be here
next year as a d C, he might get a
DC job somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (39:44):
You know what I'm saying. Jack Samborn got a job
for that very reason.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
There's guys on this football team who was with him
in Chicago or that he knew in his in his
travels that he brought on because they knew his system,
he was familiar with them, they had traits that he liked.
So I want to make sure that I'm still being cool,
not disrespecting those guys, not showing those guys my tail,
you know what I'm saying, really being a professional about

(40:08):
what I do, because that coach may go somewhere else
at the end of this year. It happens every single year,
And now I want him to be like when he
gets to his new situation, and he's looking at guys
to come bring in and flood his roster because every
every position coach that goes somewhere else usually gets a
guy or two, you know, especially when coach gets two guys,
DC get a couple guys, Oh, seal get a couple guys. Well,

(40:31):
you just kind of always want to be in that
number of guys when you looking at me and like
you know what, Oh yeah, yeah, this kid, Holly Man,
he can man, he can play all four special teams.
He knows I know, he knows all the four spots
of receiver, man, professional. We're gonna show up on time.
He's gonna be good in the locker room. He's gonna
be good in the meeting room. Sign him up, bring
him in that next thing. You know, you just bove
another year in the league, whether that's that league minimum

(40:53):
or whether they bumped you up or whatever. It may
be another year, another year of making, you know, making
seventeen weeks of what we were making for seven ten weeks.

Speaker 7 (41:00):
It's a good living, it's good eating, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
And so you want to just parlay that into as
many of those seventeen weeks as you can because that
money is good, that insurance is good, those benefits are good,
the four one K is good.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
All that's good. And so that that was always my
bond set.

Speaker 8 (41:17):
And you talking over there like I can't help but
think of Noah Brown.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Like you know, he was here and people was like.

Speaker 8 (41:25):
Oh man, he was a core special team guy, and
guess where he went.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
He went up there and.

Speaker 8 (41:29):
Somehow in a in a talented Washington room, he's a
starting receiver and he's still doing his thing on special team,
which he was a core guy here. And then not
even just the guys, it's who you playing, because like
you said, you going over here playing the Giants this
last week, somebody across that other side of the field
gonna be like, man, I remember how he for two games.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
I always seen him flying.

Speaker 8 (41:49):
On special team doing this and to where somebody's gonna
love you.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
So you got to just go out there and play, man.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
That's all it is is this, And if anything, this
has a a little more sellering on it, just a
little more, just a little fuel to the fire, because
it's like like you said, the big name guys aren't
gonna they're not gonna typically typically I'm not gonna say
one hundred percent unless you don't pissed somebody off. Majority
of the time, the big name guys you aren't gonna
see in this game. This is gonna be like an

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honorary fourth preseason game. So we're gonna see the bottom
of this roster. Linebackers and running backs get out there.
So I'm ready to see it. And the Giants showed
last week that they still got some of their starters
in there, so this is a good opportunity to build
up that resume.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Yeah, it was the same way for me, you know,
of course, being a six round draft pick, working my
way through special teams to become a starter, and like
once you're a part of that grind, that's just basically
your grind throughout your career.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
So for me, it was the same way. Finished strong,
of course, you know it was.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
It was always more so deflating not being able to
go into the playoffs. Okay, especially if you're playing the team.
You know, like the Cowboys playing the Giants, neither one
of them are going to the playoffs. But if you
were playing the team and that last game that you
knew was going into the playoffs, it didn't matter, Like
if they played the start is for the whole game,
or if they played some of their backups. You know,
we still wanted to try to ruin their Christmas or

(43:10):
like ruin that part of the season for them if
you could.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
So it was it was.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
It was always one of those type of things whereas
you know, finish strong, go out there.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
The whole thing is like.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
You never think as a player, like hey, I might
get hurt this week, but you damn show want to
make sure that, like, hey, nothing's gonna happen this week
at all, last game of the season.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
You want to finish strong, like we talked about. But
at the same time, you know, it's it's it's just
like I said.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
It's kind of deflating, you know, to know that, like, hey,
I'm already thinking about, like if you don't live in town,
shipping my cars wherever I got to go, you know
what I mean, packing up everything, tearing down the house,
taking everything everywhere else you gotta go, and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
So you know, it's it's it's it's it's really sad.

Speaker 8 (43:57):
You know it's sad, but it's a celerate because I'm
telling you me being sad that I got to pack
up this thing. Everything that I'm frustrated from the season,
from the reps that I didn't get throughout the season,
I'm taking it out on this guy.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
And it was my sole purpose. Just like I think
about when Barry talked about Jesse.

Speaker 8 (44:14):
He was like, yo, I didn't want to go against him,
like against him in practice, Like that was me coming
into this last game. Like I made it a point
to where it was like whoever was going against me
that the people in the front office is gonna look
and be like, man, I don't know if we should
bring him back the way he got punished this last year,
Like like you want to see who still fights, you
want to see who's good, and you just want to

(44:35):
see who don't quit. And so at the end when
it's like when we ain't got nothing to play for
it now, it's just it's me this right here that
you hear. Is that still thumping right there? And I
guarantee this it's thumping for me. Is it thumping for you?
And if it ain't, boy, guess what you're gonna be
looking at that employment line next year.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
So I get it.

Speaker 8 (44:54):
But for guys and Jesse, you worked your way up
through it a d But I know I've heard Jesse
really talked about it to where it was like, yo,
I really was out here like trying to embarrass this
guy just so he didn't get that that job or
that leg up.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
I don't want to build his career. So like you
didn't have none of those battles like towards the end
of it where it was like, man, I just got
to punish him.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Man, it was that was anytime, So anytime being a
special team player, you're not gonna see You're not gonna
get those reps on defense or whatever. So anytime you
got a chance to see, say another high round draft
pick for special teams, and they say, if you're the
guy watching the gunner and they got their first round
dude out there running down on gunner, yeah, you want

(45:39):
to try to dog that dude as much as possible.

Speaker 8 (45:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
It's basically like in some ways for you, it's it's
also a measuring stick for you too as well at
the end of the day. But anytime that you get
a chance to like raise your level against any type
of competition, you definitely want to try to do it,
you know. But it's just one of those type of
things that after it's all said and done, and you're
sitting at home that next week and you sitting there
watch and TV and you seeing everybody else playing, and

(46:02):
you sitting there like, man, if I could have just
sad Orf, we would have just had another opportunity to
do things a little bit different or whatever the case
may be. And so you know, what we're looking at
now as the Cowboys season comes to an end is like,
what has changed?

Speaker 8 (46:20):
What?

Speaker 14 (46:20):
What?

Speaker 3 (46:21):
What has changed for y'all?

Speaker 8 (46:23):
You know?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
And I'm being serious because like you guys have had
the opportunity to play in this building.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I have.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I never have, and I've always seen it from the outside,
So like, what what has changed from?

Speaker 5 (46:36):
And we could just.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Concentrate on from the beginning of this year, from the
last regime with McCarthy, the shoddy this year, you know,
and just keep it there, because of course, to go
back when you played and go back when you played
and everything there has to have been some But what
has been the biggest change that you've seen this year?

Speaker 5 (46:54):
If any.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
I've been at this, I've been I mean, I've been
a part of the Cowboy organizations since two thousand and nine,
on and off the field, lay here to twenty twelve,
that I've been covering this team since twenty thirteen with
an affiliate, and then I came over here in twenty seventeen. Chris,

(47:18):
twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, Boy, you've been here for me
and I've been I guarantee if we went through the
archives and they pulled up things that I talked about
in twenty eighteen twenty seventeen are still here. Men that
we're talking about today, Not much has changed. The names
have changed, the faces have changed, the coaches have changed.

(47:42):
We're still talking about some of the same bull crap
that we've been talking about for ten twenty thirty years,
and it hasn't changed. Back in my time, we were
talking about an undisciplined football team, team with no heart,
a team with players who feel like entitled. We've been

(48:06):
talking about playing bad football. You know, an injured player
goes down all of a sudden, they can't function.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
I've lived it. I've lived it. I've lived it.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
A side of the ball playing extremely well while the
other side is playing horribly offensively and defensively.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
Flip them.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
I've talked about it. I've talked about it for the
last I've been here, as I said, since two thousand
and nine, on and off the field. If we dug
up some of the old stuff that we talked about
and I just changed the names, the conversations are very
similar today.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
And that's unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Yeah, I like to play Devil's advocate. We all know this.
Majority of that is true.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
From what I've seen from this season to what I
said at the beginning of the season, it has standed true.
The only thing that's going to make me a little
optimistic about it is the fact that we've seen them
go out there and trade for guys. We see them
releasing somebody that is not good for the organization, whether

(49:18):
it's from a leadership standpoint or playing on the field.
People typically in the past have gotten rid of people
when it's way past their prime. And so what we
see now with them cutting digs right now with Shotty
coming in there kind of being a raw raw coach
or players coach first, I see them trying to change

(49:40):
the culture culture. I see them trying to get away
from what has been systematically embedded within this organization for
like you said, over multiple decades. Those things are there,
but it's a little hope, but it's not enough, Hope.
I said, the culture has not changed, but the foundation
is starting to shift. And when I say shift, I

(50:03):
see the shift happening with the releasing of people, the
bringing in big name players through trades and acquisition and
through maybe we'll see how I go with this coaching staff,
but just letting Shoddy do it the way that he
wanted to and not implementing as much. So to answer
your question, the culture has not shifted, but the foundation

(50:25):
is starting to be rattled. It's been broken up. We're
starting to see it to be demolished. Can they build
off of this? And that's the problem in the past,
they have not been able to build off of any
of the foundation.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
So that being said, you know, as the Cowboys go
out and as this season comes to an end, you know,
you have to try to find some positives to hang
your hat on. And you know, that number one offense
was definitely something that was that was a big plus
in the building and the moves that they made to
try to change up the defense. You know, they definitely

(50:57):
got some good pieces in place, you know, and we
just got to be optimistic more so than anything, because
like for me watching from the outside end, I'm like, Jesse,
I've seen and heard the same thing for so long,
you know what I mean. And and it gets to
a place like where I'm like, who in the building
ain't telling the truth?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Like who's not holding who accountable? Like right now?

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Like and who's who's honestly looking at that and being
like like that's okay And instead of being like no, no, no, no,
no no, that's that's not what it is at all,
you know. So you know, it just goes to say,
you know, and we'll see what Shoddy continues to do
as as as the culture begins to change around here,
Like you said, they got those foundations, foundational pieces, and

(51:40):
just me being being a Cowboy fan and this being
my team, you know what I'm saying, Like my entire life,
regardless of who I play for, you know, not even
ever being a part of this organization, I always say
I we we you know. And it's just something that's
just like I guess you could say almost in bread
to me. And so that being said, you know, like

(52:00):
as hard as I am on them, I definitely want
to see them do good, you know what I mean,
And and and and and and it goes goes without
saying that I would love to see the Cowboys have
some of those great years that I witnessed when my
dad was part of it, and then I got to
play against some of those teams in the nineties that
were unbelievable, you know what I mean. This has been
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(52:21):
thanks for tuning in. Demontre Moore, Jesse Holly, I'm Anthony Dorsett.
We'll see you next time.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
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