October 14, 2025 • 47 mins
Newy Scruggs, Barry Church, Damontre Moore and Anthony Dorsett discuss latest Dallas Cowboys news and notes on The Player's Lounge.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church,
Anthony dor Set, De Montrey Moore, and new he Scrugs.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Here we are on a Tuesday players day off here
at the Star in Frisco. This is the players not
bought to by Aristocrat Gaming. This is Anthony dor Set,
former inn FL player and the son of Hall of
Famer Tony door Set and Heisman Trophy from the great
Man De Montree Moore, Texas A and m Abbey who
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also played the National Football League for the Dallas Cowboys
and several other teams.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm new he Scruggs. We have lots to get to today.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
If I'm glad we didn't make any we didn't pick
money in our games yesterday because I shut up with
the lost we did.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
We did.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We picked them last week, picked them last week, picked them.
I want to.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Say if I'm not, I want to say I lost.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Probably I took. I took Buffalo and Washington.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I did too.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Everybody did, except for Church, who picked Atlanta for some reason.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's why I said. He Church called it.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
He said, coming off a bi week, he said, I
liked them, and that was the one where it was.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Like he was a solo rider. So I text c
B last night.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I said, hey, man, what's the score? He was like,
right now, you might be in the league. And so
I'm like, all right, well, if I win, I'm still
in the league. If I lose, we all and we're
gonna lose right there. So I think I was only
about one. C B Am I correct on them.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You and Church went three and five last week, hoddly enough,
Jesse Holly picked and he picked Chicago over Washington, and
he got that one.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
So he went five.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He went four and three last week.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
He had the best record.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Last week.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
You went, knew you took the al last week two
and six.
Speaker 8 (02:07):
Last week was bad and you two Anthony two and six.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
This is my week, man, I was bad.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
But but so Demante was three and five, three and five.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Oh yeah, I'm still because the biggest thing with him
is he got the giants.
Speaker 9 (02:21):
He the only one that picked the giants.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
He picked the giants New England and Seattle, and those
were his two picks.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Everybody playful, that's right, all right, all.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Right, but it was a bad week for all of
us though, Like football was going crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And I'll say this, you know, I imagine people who
were out there putting a little extras on the game
were all wrong too, because you're not thinking the Bills
are going to lose to the Falcons, and hey, look,
this is.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The league right now, this is the league.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's why if you're a Cowboy fan, you should be
very frustrated about what happened in Charlotte, North Carolina. That
was a game that you could have should have won
and put that in the bank, and you did not.
And then you go, see the way the rest of
the week win. Here Chicago goes and beats Washington. On
Monday night, Atlanta handles the Buffalo Bills, and here the
Cowboys allowing Rico Daddle to say I'm him bucket up
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and they.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Took that whoop into the backside some.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
But this problem this weekend is what makes it. You said,
you don't bet on it because what's going on, But
this is what also makes people optimistic about it because
you're like, hey, with all this being said, the Cowboys
still got the number one offense. The Eagles lost, Washington lost.
It's like we're still, as Jason Garrett wuld say, in
the Red Meat. So that's why it's like you can
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sit there and say, we're still.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
In the hut, right, so you look at it glass
half full, okay, and I'm looking at half end because
if you can't beat the Carolina Pantons, we're.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Gonna beat if you can.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Rico running up in you what's going You know, Rico?
Speaker 7 (03:53):
It defense wins championships and where it's playoffs.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But you're talking about the same Bears that came out there.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Tore the Cowboys up, to them up, they told them up.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
But then you get in the shootout with Washington and
it's like, ah, man, you know what, Hey, we ain't
the only ones that lost to the Bear, so maybe
the Bears are doing good.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like that's what I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
It's just you know how you always sit there and say,
why the Cowboys fans always saying super Bowl on now?
Or we're still got this so we still have hope.
Like it's moments like this where you can still see it.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
I don't even think I got nothing to do with that, Okay,
I just got I just feel like the city is
just caught up on some mediocre football in the year.
Regardless of what the media train does and what Jerry does.
He hypes everybody up and he's Uh, basically, these people
are kind of brainwashing this.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Who's leading the division right now?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Here's the thing man in Philadelphia right now, so Philly
is foreign to here is that. I'm with you, door set.
People have watched thirty years of mediocre football and now
they believe it's okay. And when we're watching players retire,
the questions or even thought to people saying about, well,
should Dez Brian getting the Ring of Honor?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
No Tank?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Somebody asked me, with Tank Lawrence clip to Tank being
a ring, I said, no, there has been no winning done,
no one's nobody has hung a band around here. Nobody
can even get to the NFC's championship I mean the
NFC Championship game around here. But fans have been so
conditioned now to accept guys who've been okay, who've done
nothing to add to the legacy of the Dallas Caberys.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, you're young, I'm not wrong. I'm not now.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
I agree with you wholehearted on that Tank no, there's
maybe it is because I'm younger and stuff like that.
For this generation. Yeah, it is mediocre, but he did
the numbers. He changed the game in his own like retrospect,
like the ex is still like iconic. But when you
think about the guys that you have said, the big
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name giants said, who is it, mister din that's not
in there right now.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
It's like, okay, Nicky Shuffer was icon Okay, so let's
let's look at it. That's who like what receivers or
or in or in the or on think Bob Hays
was running back in the receiver right was he.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Mainly being a receiver for Bob Hays? So Bob Hays
Drew Pearson.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
That's it, Michael, Michael, those are only three Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Those those are those are your those are your your receivers.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Right now, people game Drew played that played the.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Game at one of the most vicious times in the game. Okay,
like they didn't even have no basically interference bumper run.
They was kind he was lining up at receiver in
the three point stance and Drew only got with a
total of like eight.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Thousand yards maybe career wise less than ten.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Let's less. It may be less than eight. I don't
know how much Michael has. Okay, now, if we're looking
at numbers, let's see how many.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Let's see what the numbers that Dads has.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
I understand he ain't win no championships, he ain't put
him no banners, but was he? I don't know how
many years are pro Dads is one of the most
dominant receivers.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that's only for a number of years. And that's
why I say he So if you.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Don't have a banner, do you not deserve to go
into Like say, if a dude has a a less
his career with no banners, are you saying like he
don't deserve to, you know, have the Ring arnor have
the Hall of Fame as well?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Okay, So basically right now, the Ring of Honor is
going to people who have won championships here or got
gold jackets.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
He's one of the other that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
A compet is Travis Ridgerck in the here's your.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Ring of Honor, Troygman, Larry Allen gil Brandt, Tony Dorsett,
Charles Haley, Cliff Harris, Bob Hayes, Chuck Hallie, Michael Irvan Leeroy,
George Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Bob Lillly, Don maryed and
Drew Pearson, Don Perkins, mel Renfrow, Tech shrim Emmitt Smith, Rogers, Staubach,
De Marcus Ware, Randy White, Darren Woodson, Rayfield Wright Perkins
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may have been the last guy that got in there
who did not win a championship or go into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he got in and
I want to say nineteen seventy six. So basically now
for fifty years almost this is the standard. Des Bryant
doesn't meet the standard. I mean, the Marcus Ware doesn't
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meet the standard. There's people out there asking about Tony Romo.
Should Tony Romo get in the Marcus where don't meet
the stand He's already talking about Marcus Launch. No, Marcus
Ware is already in.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I don't think Tank should d where he's in the Hall.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Of Fame about me?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean Tank talking about you know, I Tank don't
deserve it.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I mean if obviously everybody's going to talk about the
catch that was supposed to be the year that the
Cowboys was supposed to win the Super Bowl. But like
I'm trying to look I really want to find his numbers.
Call it bad as the tuck rule is like.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
This, man, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I mean there's at the end of the day we
could talk about Des caught it. Des didn't catch it. Uh,
the league said no, and it is what it is.
And as bad as the tuck rule was for for
your Raiders, you know what, it didn't go your way.
New England goes on to win a Super Bowl and
the legend of Tom Brady's and Adam and and Tierry
is born there.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know, this is what happens.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But Des Bryant while he leads to the Cowboys and
several receiving you know numbers.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
The game has changed.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
The game has totally changed from what you can do
number one, as you talked about here receivers. Man, you
used to have DB's that could hit you all the
way down toil. You can't do it now. Now you
can barely brush your brother. And they're they've made the
rules so the offense has all the advantage.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
How many yards did does Brian have career?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's all trying. I can now fund it on here
right now.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So my thing on that is, once again, you got
no gold jacket. You did not win a championship with
the Cowboys. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
This?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
This is what?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
This is the list.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Now you go back to heart. Harvey Martin is a
Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He's not even in here.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Defensive NFL Defensive Player of the Year, not in here.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You might be right.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I was just gonna interrupt you to say, give you
your flowers. If this is correct, what I'm looking at
on ESPN for career wise total receiving yardist Dez Bryant
has seven five hundred and six yards on a total
of nine hundred and twenty six twenty six targets. Out
of those nine hundred and twenty six targets, five hundred
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and thirty seven have those been caught?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And let's and at this point, okay, if CD Lamb
plays the same number of years as death, what desks
like nine?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
About nine years? I think so?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Think that back that was up to twenty twenty. So
they didn't have his last year. What was this last
year in the league.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I mean he was hanging around with Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But at this point in time, ceedee, Lamb will pass
as Bryan in many of these categories. And I'll tell
you this ceede Lam shouldn't get in there either. If
you don't if you do the standard. At some point
in time, we got to make the standards standard, no
gold jacket, no championship.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Then I man ain't got no time for you, Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So, Zach Martin, Zach No, No, those they've been doing
it well.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
I mean because you could get into the Hall of
Fame fifty years later. All right, So then at that point,
now what we're doing, if we bringing in legends all
twenty years after the fact that everything else, like like
what they did with you Pierson, it ain't just Dreudo.
He ain't the only legend that went in, Okay, But
I'm just we want him doing it too. And I'm
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not just talking about like the situation here in Dallas.
I'm talking about like a player's career overall. So like
at that point, if you have these crazy numbers, but
it takes them forever to put you in the Hall
of Fame for whatever reason, like t O Got had
to wait because not his numbers wasn't right because they
quote unquote didn't like what he was doing off the
field and everything else like that, Then if we're basing
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it off of that, then it could be something that
should know that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
A case for someone how many super Bowls did Drew
Damn Marina?
Speaker 8 (11:55):
Was Da Marino? First ballot? Yeah, he was first ballot. Okay,
I'm talking about for the Boys. But that's who I'm
talking about up for the Cowboy. But when we talk
about the Cowboys Ring of Honor, what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
If you want me to make a case for somebody
that don't have the numbers or this iconic like that
right whatever.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
That may have the numbers but doesn't have the gold
jacket or the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I mean, we all know that Zach Martin is going
to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, would be,
but I would say another guy that I think should
be in the Ring of Honor that didn't win anything here,
but was the.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Name Travis Frederick. No, he didn't play on that man.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
He was a catalyst to this line, Like he trained
one what they've had multiple had multiple top offenses.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
In the league. Like what do you say before that?
Zach Martin?
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Zach Martin, but he's going to be a first ballot
Hall of Famer. You can't team no, but he's only
had three holding calls his whole career.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
In five years. In five years, Zach Martin will be
was he will get a gold. So Zach Martin, Jason
Witn't are going to.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Go in the Hall of Fame, so they'll be in
the Jason Living he changed the game. Okay, So so
those are guys.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
How many rings does Drew Piston have one? Okay? So
he has two. He played in two Super Bowl, he
played in the Well.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
He has more career yardage seven eight and twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But Daz has seventy five touchdowns in his career.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Drew Pearson only has h I got a name for it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Forty eight.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Did Tonyill win anything while he was here?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And Tony Hill shouldn't be in there?
Speaker 7 (13:27):
Did Tony Will win anything while he was here?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
To my knowledge, No, I don't think Tony was on
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
Tony he got more yards and Drew Pearson he got
more yards than Dazz Brian.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, but then Tony and Tony Hill doesn't. Tony Hill
shouldn't be in it. Tony Hill's name is and I
love Tony in person, good dude, as you know as well.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Tony Everson Walls in it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Everson Walls shockingly and shamefully is not Everson Walls.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You don't deserve it.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Yes, okay, you told me to give you one.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I gave you one. Yeah, right, two times today.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
But ever and ever, I think got fifty something career interceptions,
it ain't in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Everybody else that got fifty some interceptions, they.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
All Everson Walls was up tragically, Tragically, Everson Walls was
up in his final year as a as a player
and did not get in. The people in charge of
the Dallas media who are in charge of trying to
make sure these names get put out here, did Everson
Walls a disservice.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Everson is a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Should be It should be in the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, should be in the Cowboys Ring of Honor they.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Put They put Eric Allen in, one of my former teammates,
and Eric rightfully deserves to be in there.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Walls deserve, Rivers deserve to be in.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Everson Walls, in my opinion, is is where Drew Pearson was.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
This is an overlooked Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
This is a Hall of Fame player who did win
the Super Bowl on it with I don't know if.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
See, I don't I don't know if I would have
gave Drew Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, well, okay, all right, all right, look this is great.
This is great so Drew Pearson.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
And I know the time that he played, and I
respect it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But those numbers once again, okay, thousands, go back to
your happens and with my daddy he played. You have
to look at the numbers at the time he retired.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
This is what this is what the NFL was.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You did not have teams that were out here throwing
the ball fifty times a game, so.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Nobody had gone to go in this Why did it
take so long ago? And if we're looking at it like.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That, I just told you one more time. This has
been a problem with the Dallas media folks who were
in charge of trying to push the agenda for the players.
I talked to Rick Gozland about this very much so,
and Rick said that Frank luxA had let a lot
of guys down by not putting forth their candidacy. I've
also believed this is my very core and I've talked
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to guys who played on the Super Bowl team and
Super Bowl thirteen that day, a lot of gold jackets
were lost because the Cowboys would have won back to
back Super Bowls, won twelve and thirteen, would have been
the first team to win three Super Bowls, would have
been the team of the seventies because they've been to
five Super Bowls and seventy Steelers one and the Steelers
won that game. And so therefore we see a guy
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like no offense. But Donny Shelle, Donny Shelle the Hall
of Famer, I mean, really, I mean, damn, the front
was so good and you got two dudes at the
middle linebacker, I mean linebacker between Jack Hamm and Jack Lambert.
What you got to do? You got you got one
dude who took one side of the ball away and
Mel Blunt. Nobody was going over there, Meil Blunt, big
as you playing corner bro right. And so I've always
like Donny Shell, really mean, because Mike Wagner was a
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good safety there too. But so, but this is how
it worked. This is how it worked. So Drew Pearson
Cliff Harris had to wait forever to day. Cliff and
Drew were check this out. Both first Team All nineteen seventies,
All decade, Okay, all decade. These two forever the Day,
were the only two first team guys on offense or
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defense in the nineteen seventies who were not in the
Profile Ball Hall of Fame. So when they come up
with the original class where they added ten people, Drew
didn't get in. They put Cliff in. The dude who
was second team All decade receiver was Harold Carmichael. They
put Harold Carmichael in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
before Drew Pearson. I don't know how many yards he had.
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He played in one Super Bowl they got beat by
the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Drew Pearson played in two Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
His quarterback is in the hall, The head coaches in
the hall, and you start looking around at different guys
who played in the seventies like that too, between the
quarterback and the head coach, and pretty much the receiver
guy in there too.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
The running back is in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Drew Pearson was very critical and Roger Steinbach talked about
this guy's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It took way too long for him to get it.
He was done. It deserves Everson for his.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
For the time that he played in the yards did
he put up you know what I mean. But at
the end of it, it seemed like he was more
so politicking and all this I loved, you grew up
with him and his kids as well. But the whole
thing you broke Mahart and all this other kind of
stuff and everything, it was just a little It was
a lot being there that day, Being there that day,
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and when they talked about the guys getting in, there
were people telling him you're getting in.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
They were also people that you know which one was.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Again, you were first team all nineteen seventies. You're the
only guy on offense not in.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Everyone else is in. And then on the other side
it's Cliff. Everyone's in.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And they were talking about the cleanup haul here where
they were going to put in ten people, and they didn't.
And what also happened to Drew is if you noticed,
nobody got more than two off one team, Steelers, the Cowboys,
the Packers. They only gave him two. They weren't giving
anybody three. So the two dudes who got in Jimmy Johnson,
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Cliff Harris Bill Belichi, by the way, was on that committee,
and Belichick politic for Harold Carmichael, over Drew Pearson, along
with Bill Poling, and they were saying that they felt
Carmichael was a very hard person to guard and that.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
I didn't play against him, but I can.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Look at him that and that he changed the game.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But he was second team all nineteen seventies, not first
team second So how.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Do we how do we do this?
Speaker 8 (19:25):
So we're talking, we're talking about numbers that are not
in front of us right now. We're trying to compare careers.
I don't know what year Drew started playing. I don't
know what year Carmichael started playing, but I do know
what you just said is very true. The heart of
the cover out of the two was definitely going to
be Carmichael. Drew had you know what them legs was
doing like this when he was running and he wasn't
no top speed dude, and he wasn't a big guy.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Was undrafted.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That gives you, That gives you a little more pool.
We all know that.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And so like to the first team wide receivers ninety
says lynz one who's in, And I think Linn has
Lynn has maybe ten thousand yards or lesson for a
lot of years. It was used against him before he
got put in, but it's Lynn Swann and Drew Pearson,
both guys won championships, both guys Hall of Fame players,
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and they rightfully are in their spots.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
So I had another teammate, John Stalwarth.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, giant, Yeah, it's just frustrating. I guess when you
think about are you making an argument? The project is frustrating.
So it definitely is, especially his athlete going through those
things of what are these determined factor? But with Drew Pearson,
did he get into the Cowboys Ring Honor? I'm assuming
before he got into the Hall of Fame he did.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, but even that took a while because it was
it was a disagreement with exactly, with him and the.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Committee exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And so we got to hit a break.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
We got to hit a break.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Let's hit a break. Let's hit a break.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We will hear from Jerry Jones as he talks about
Matt Eberflus's defensive coordinator because fandra frustrating, upset. But we'll
do that next right here with we got Trey Moore said.
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Speaker 3 (23:51):
Slash why part checking numbers here and this is what
it says for Lyn Swan career three hundred and thirty
six receptions, receiving yards, five thousand, four hundred and sixty
two receiving touchdowns fifty one.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
What you say.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Career fel statistics three hundred and thirty six catches, five thousand,
four hundred and sixty two yards, fifty one receiving touchdowns
all all decade nineteen seventies, three times Pro Bowler, three
times First Team All Pro, Super Bowl, MVP, Super Bowl
ten when they beat.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
The Cowboys, and four time Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Alive yards five thousand yards. But also when was he
he made? When was playing big?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Let's make so he let he finished in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Eighty two when they wasn't throwing like that in so
so the thing.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
It's kind of like when and the plays that he
made in the biggest games, bro, you get Swani showed up.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I ain't no saying other people didn't. Oh no, when people.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
But when you say that number though, like you said,
three hundred and ninety.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Three hundred and thirty six catch estions.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Three hundred and thirty six das has five hundred and
thirty seventh.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, and you can't, you can't. And this is
where I get frustrated. It's not the same game.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's not it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
We can say football, but the NFL is not the
same game.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
It's legislated differently, the rules are different.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
They have pushed offense all day long and now passing
and you got I mean, think about Rocky Blyer, Rocky Blyer,
Robert Newhouse, two well known fullbacks.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Man, you're lucky you know Rockyers.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I don't know who Rocky Blyers, but I do know
Rod Newhouse. And I mean, I'm sorry Robert, because I
know I know it's right.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So that's just like, so you know, these are positions
that they don't even have to.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I remember when William Floyd played for the San Francisco
Run drafted the first round out of Florida State, bar none.
I can't think of the last time we saw a
fullback drafted in the first round. But this is the
difference to the the NFL. Football's changed. So when you
talk about received leaving numbers and passing numbers, to me,
I always say, go back to when a guy left.
(26:05):
When Tony dor Set left the National Football League, think
he was second all time in rushing.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He passed OJ Simpson.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He was second or third.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So so now you look at it, it's not the same.
But when you leave the game and you are top
three in a major category, dude, that's ballin it is
Joe Demagio.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's just a baseball reference.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
When Joe Demagio left Major League baseball, he was second
or third all time in home runs with only like
three hundred plus home runs under four hundred today, that's
nothing but that to me, when I say when did
you leave and how you left, it's a heck.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
It's a heck of a thing. We don't talk about context.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So much of what matters when I think about these
things what's the context. And I go back to Lynn
Swann and what you were saying, the biggest games and
the biggest lights. That dude was there. Super Bowl thirteen
makes a hell of a catch, ends up getting hurt
and going out of the game, But it was one
of the differences the Steelers beat the Cowboys become the
team of the seventies four Super Bowl championships. Yes, the
first two they were running the ball, but dude was there.
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That's what puts you in when you start to look
at the amount of winning first team. Okay, when they
came out all nineties.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
So they sit up here.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
They got two receivers for the whole decade, a heck
of a decade of football.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
By the way, it's some tremendous players.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
He was there. That's why I feel like.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Brian wasn't there.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
No, he wasn't. And I'm not making a case for him.
I said, in my generation, I'm thinking about it. But
when I sit here, like I said, I'm a football guy.
Like when you become when you play outter a certain
amount of time, you know, you start to study of
the game to figure out how you can stay there,
and you have a better appreciation for it and looking
at the numbers, it's like, yes, he was iconic for
what I seen. But like you said, my man had
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five thousand yards on three hundred and thirty six catch,
five hundred and thirty seven reception, he only has seven
thousand and only that is a major accompaniment some guys,
I'll never get this, But five hundred and thirty seven
you only have seven five hundred and six seventy five yardists.
Like you know how PFF has the ratio like, hey,
if this person only played five reps but he had
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two sacks, then his production ratio is way over there.
Like I wish they had a grating skill like this
when it comes for talking to you know, if you're
going to compare receiver as a receiver, if he did
what he did in today's game with the protection that
they have, I wish they had something where they can say, hey,
this is what we project that he would have in
this day and age with you know, thirty four plus
(28:33):
games or howevery many extra plus regular season games because
we talk about I remember what was it a couple
years ago when they were talking about TJ. Watt breaking
Michael Strahan's record, like it would have been iconic. It
would have been cool. The record's broken, but you have
way more games. Oh well, the Brett farlaid down for
straight hand to get the record and do this and
do that.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
He did it in less reps.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Like it's still more impressive when you can do that, Like,
records are meant to be broken.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
And it took contacts to go into all time contacts.
I mean, right now you start looking NFL passing leader,
it's all time yardage.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Brady's number one. Nobody argues with that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But what I do find interesting when people say, well
a guy, if a guy has these certain numbers, then
he should be in the hall.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Matt Ryan's eighth all time? Is Matt Ryan a Hall
of Famer?
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Is Frank Gore Hall of Famer? Was Frank Gore ever?
First Team All Pro? Is he ever the best running
back in the league? Was he ever the top back
in the league? But he got Hall of Fame now.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
He got he got Hall of Fame numbers, and what
he had most importantly his longevity, Like, well, what do
you mean, bro, Who's who's played that long margument that we're.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Making right now? As well? You just made the argument
there's more games and.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
It is, but it's he's played in multiple like it's not.
He played in one era. Frank Gore played.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Frank Gore sixteen thousand yards of rushing. How many numbers
he played number three all time? I don't know the
number of years at about sixteen years.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
And buddy playing multiple years he played like we got
as we're talking.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
About, when it comes down to the barbershop, you bound
to get a haircut.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
When when you talk about.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Saying a thousand, a thousand yards ain't that big of
a deal.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Touchdowns twenty twenty's twentieth all time and touchdowns eighty one,
tied with OJ Anderson was.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
The first pro ever first team Pro Ever. I don't
I don't think you.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
I don't think you should say that, because that's that's
the measuring stick of as well.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's a measuring stick. But we just you.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
The whole argument before him was just about how the
media pushed certain people and do this and that, and
you don't get.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Your This is what the great Rick Goslin would tell me.
He said, stack compiler, and I believe that's what you're
talking about here. Frank gorey Hall of Fame player. Was
he just a stack compiler because he played. And it's
an interesting thing because in the world of baseball, you
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hang out long enough and get yourself three thousand hits,
they're gonna put you in based on, you know, three
thousand hits, three thousand hits. Frank Gore finishing third all
time and playing that long, there is something to be
said for that when you look at guys who've had
shorter careers and it gets used against them. So it's
a fantastic argument. And I would love to hear the person.
(31:23):
And I don't know which city Frank Gore would be
represented by. Who makes who makes the present day? Was
someone from San Francisco or who doesn't? What case would
you make for Frank Gore? It'd be very interesting. Here's
what we do. No, he was never a first team
All Pro player. He was a second team All Pro once,
five time pro bowler. He was NFL All Decade twenty ten,
(31:47):
so he wasn't All Decade player.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So he does that. He does have that his in
his in his back pocket.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
And Frank Gore's almost in some ways as another fantastic
case of for Eli Manning. There are a lot of
people out there about Eli Manning who have a question
mark about.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Him, but he is well Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
But Frank Gore, here's your Here're your running backs for
for the twenty tens. Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch, Lashawn McCoy,
and Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Those are your your four running backs.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
So okay, So out of that list who you're picking,
you can only pick one.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
If I'm pickings again, it's Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Let him pick.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I want to give it is Frank Gore, Marshaun Lynch,
Lashawn McCoy, and Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
First ballot, yeah, ap, second ballot, Frank Gore. Out of
those guys, I mean those other two guys, they were
they were they were special, like shady shifting.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You talking about doing everything. I'll say this, but.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
The best ability is availability, and Frank was available for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's a fantastic argument.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Now when you say pick one, I mean on these
lists here.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You're gonna have multiple guys at a position go in
because just say, for instance, the quarterback, your two quarterbacks
on the list of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, they're both.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Gonna go in.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
They'll both be first ballot guys.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
And it ain't two running backs on that list that's
going in right now, that's going in at the same time.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's two different things you just said at the same time.
That's what I meant. What I mean is what I
just said.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Okay, two running backs on the same ballot.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Going yeah, no, no, no, they could be the same ballot,
But I don't think the two of those, that more
than one from that list is going to go in
at one time.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Not at one time.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But yeah, when you say the same class, like the
same Hall of Fame class, it's very rare. It's very
rare that you get multiple positions in one class at.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
The same and it's rare.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And if we're being.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Completely non champ go in with with Ed Reid or
something like that to.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Safety in corner.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
This is defensive back.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Neither one of y'all lined up to play the position
defensive back.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Okay, I lined up with both, and.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
I know the skill and the technique it takes to
play both here and so Cardinal Lake played both.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Ad Here's what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Know, you understand that when I'm talking to the voters
and the people that do this, they have a differentiation
between the safety and the corner, I know, and now
a Rod Woodson, a Ronnie Lott played both who played both.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
By the way, they just them ain't too many rod Woodson's.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, that's like Aus Wilson Arnell Lake.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Right, there's like a list.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Now there's a.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Button list then then then then than there is but.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
But but for the most part, they're looking at safety,
you know, corner. They're looking at him and that such
like a tie law. They're going to put him in
the corner kind of conversation. Ever since Wall, they are
going to put him in the corner conversation. And when
you talk about many guys who played both, first off,
it's very rare that you got somebody.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Who's that damn good anyway.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I mean, you know, you should be able to go
the corner to safety and then still be balling to
the hell. That's why they in the hall because they
special guys. We didn't get that many special dudes out
there like that. And just looking right here on the
twenty ten list, all right, corners it was Patrick Peterson,
Darell Reeves, Richie Sherman, and that was and uh, that
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was corner.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Then they go into defensive back.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
They put two defensive backs there they said Chris Harrison,
Tyron Matthew. Then for safety they put three dudes on there,
Eric Barry, Earl Thomas and Eric Waddle. That so that
right there on that list that they they went and
just chopped it up into.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Three places for for for DB's so one corner dB
and then takes they chopped a three ways.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
So back in the day when we had dudes that
was playing multiple positions, kicking the ball, running the ball,
because they wasn't throwing the ball, and doing all the
red grains.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
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And it's just not pretty.
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They lose to the Carolina Panthers thirty to twenty seven.
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Jerry Jones did his weekly.
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Speaker 5 (39:42):
He's had tremendous experience. He's dealt with adversity with a
long record not only with US, but with his tenure
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had some very great success but he's had his Tailcike.
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That's who I want in the foxhold with me, because
there's no such thing as having all the answers, and
so I jumped at it when I saw we had
a chance to get him. I still feel as strongly
as I did the day we brought him in here.
And these things that we're dealing with here are not
(40:28):
one two major things. There are a lot of little
things that you can't address and get right, and you
can adjust the nuances of them. And for instance, the
other day, we couldn't stop the run, yet we were
within a possession. If we'd drive that ball at the
(40:49):
end of the game, we got a good chance to
win it. We were up all day for the most part.
And so there's a lot of ways to win football games,
and clus is dealing with nuances there that we can
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(41:10):
is that the way the game panned out was very,
very on point with the way that our coaches planned
for the game to pan out. We just thought we
could get more stops. We thought we could physically do
a better job with them, and they were able to
(41:31):
scheme us a little bit that to their credit, but
we were in that game. Close enough what I think.
I don't want to take too long in the central.
But Carolina is easy to overlook as a formidable matchup
with us. They match up right good against where we
(41:52):
need the work, and so they were a tough, tough
opponent for us. The other day we almost pulled.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
The Carolina Panthers have beaten three teams this year, Atlanta, Miami,
and Dallas. They've lost to Jacksonville, They've lost to Arizona,
they've lost to New England. All three losses were on
the road. All three wins were at home. And if
Jerry says they're on par with Carolina, guys, that doesn't
(42:23):
make me feel real good.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
Let me say this before I forget it real quick,
because it was something he said, and and I don't
remember exactly what he said real quick, but he says
it made reference to the point that they almost that
they thought Rico was gonna get over two hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Then he say, what do he It sounded like that,
It sounded like who said that. I didn't. I didn't hear.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
What I heard was him just he basically just said,
I fools ain't gonna get fired. I need him in
the fight, but also this is a tough, tough opponent.
Speaker 8 (42:57):
I said about the matchup, no way that they felt
like the game was going to know there now.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Yeah, he said that the match up win exactly how
I was planned in the schedule from them seeing that
they just planned on him a couple.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
More so, what I heard was that, yeah, we we
planned he We knew that he was gonna bust all right,
but we just thought that we might be able to
stop him at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
He didn't say him, he said, he said to them.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
But we know who Breese Hall ran ran against. They've
they've given up yardage on the ground.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
But we're talking about what he just said about Carolina, right,
and I'm just saying, yes.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
He sounded like he said, hey, yeah, we knew we're
gonna give him some yards.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, we were gonna give some yard.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
But we thought we thought we get We thought Dak
was gonna and this is what Dak. We thought we're
getting the ball back six six o seven to go.
They thought they had one more shot to go win
the football game. But the vaunted the Carolina offense led
bry Bryce Young, did the six minute seven drive, not
a two minute, not a two minute, not a three minute,
(43:56):
but a six minute seven drive to say, you're not
getting the football back. Dude, that's pathetic, that's embarrassing. And Jerry, uh, yeah,
you wanted Matt Ebraflus, he tells us right there, he
hired Matt Eberflus. He wanted Matt Eberflus back in the building.
And this guy's not getting it done. But he said,
(44:18):
you know he's gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I think that the defense in itself, and we've talked
about this a lot of times already, this defense had
another gal on it at one point in time that
could make a lot of things disappear.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And at the same time, and.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
At this hunt, they got the number one rush defense
in league.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (44:42):
And then at the same time as well, Like if
you're looking at it and I don't know what options
ebra Flus has or whatever defense coordinator had, this job
is a much more attractive job with Michael Parsons on
the team than without him on the team.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
It is.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
But I'm sorry, I'm sorry, stop talking about that, bro,
Like that doesn't matter, Like.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
You are you talking about the job? Okay?
Speaker 8 (45:08):
So you looking at teams, you're a free agent, you're
looking at teams, right, You're looking at teams. You're looking
at teams that got championship pedigree, players on it compared
to the.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
Dudes who you know ain't gonna do nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
So what what team are you gonna pick?
Speaker 8 (45:21):
Are you going to the team that's going to probably
get you to the playoffs with the champion pedigree?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Are you gonna take the take the team that's not
that you know exact?
Speaker 6 (45:30):
What are you talking about from what perspective? A player
perspective on a coach's perspective, I'm talking about different perspective. No,
at the end of the day, now a free agent, Yes,
it is if I'm thinking of job something, Yes, if
somebody says that they're gonna get the defensive hold on,
hold on, let me. You can't interrupt me. If you're
gonna ask me a question, let me get it out. So,
like I said, it is a different job. If I'm
a defensive coordinator and somebody says I have the potential
(45:51):
to go be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys,
or I'm gonna go be the defensive coordinator of the
Cleveland Browns. They gonna take the Cowboys every time because
of the off the field money, because of the note
to ride, because of the media.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Like you do deal with those things, but then.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
You also and then you put them in then you
also market. But then also but then also you gotta
take it. Yeah, you put that's two different markets. Why
nobody would take it? But then hold on, I got
you new I don't want to keep talking. But also
the last thing is the ownership. Am I gonna go
somewhere that somebody wants me or don't want me? And
if I'm eber Flus going to America's.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Team the owner leveland Brown So.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
That's two different organizations.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
End it like this. I don't know if Maddi Flus
even had another option, that's all.
Speaker 9 (46:35):
He might not.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church,
Anthony dor Set, De Montrey Moore, and new he Scrugs.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Here we are on a Tuesday players day off here
at the Star in Frisco. This is the players not
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former inn FL player and the son of Hall of
Famer Tony door Set and Heisman Trophy from the great
Man De Montree Moore, Texas A and m Abbey who
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also played the National Football League for the Dallas Cowboys
and several other teams.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm new he Scruggs. We have lots to get to today.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
If I'm glad we didn't make any we didn't pick
money in our games yesterday because I shut up with
the lost we did.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
We did.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We picked them last week, picked them last week, picked them.
I want to.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Say if I'm not, I want to say I lost.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Probably I took. I took Buffalo and Washington.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I did too.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Everybody did, except for Church, who picked Atlanta for some reason.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's why I said. He Church called it.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
He said, coming off a bi week, he said, I
liked them, and that was the one where it was.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Like he was a solo rider. So I text c
B last night.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I said, hey, man, what's the score? He was like,
right now, you might be in the league. And so
I'm like, all right, well, if I win, I'm still
in the league. If I lose, we all and we're
gonna lose right there. So I think I was only
about one. C B Am I correct on them.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You and Church went three and five last week, hoddly enough,
Jesse Holly picked and he picked Chicago over Washington, and
he got that one.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
So he went five.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He went four and three last week.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
He had the best record.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Last week.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
You went, knew you took the al last week two
and six.
Speaker 8 (02:07):
Last week was bad and you two Anthony two and six.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
This is my week, man, I was bad.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
But but so Demante was three and five, three and five.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Oh yeah, I'm still because the biggest thing with him
is he got the giants.
Speaker 9 (02:21):
He the only one that picked the giants.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
He picked the giants New England and Seattle, and those
were his two picks.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Everybody playful, that's right, all right, all.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Right, but it was a bad week for all of
us though, Like football was going crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And I'll say this, you know, I imagine people who
were out there putting a little extras on the game
were all wrong too, because you're not thinking the Bills
are going to lose to the Falcons, and hey, look,
this is.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The league right now, this is the league.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's why if you're a Cowboy fan, you should be
very frustrated about what happened in Charlotte, North Carolina. That
was a game that you could have should have won
and put that in the bank, and you did not.
And then you go, see the way the rest of
the week win. Here Chicago goes and beats Washington. On
Monday night, Atlanta handles the Buffalo Bills, and here the
Cowboys allowing Rico Daddle to say I'm him bucket up
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and they.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Took that whoop into the backside some.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
But this problem this weekend is what makes it. You said,
you don't bet on it because what's going on, But
this is what also makes people optimistic about it because
you're like, hey, with all this being said, the Cowboys
still got the number one offense. The Eagles lost, Washington lost.
It's like we're still, as Jason Garrett wuld say, in
the Red Meat. So that's why it's like you can
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sit there and say, we're still.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
In the hut, right, so you look at it glass
half full, okay, and I'm looking at half end because
if you can't beat the Carolina Pantons, we're.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Gonna beat if you can.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Rico running up in you what's going You know, Rico?
Speaker 7 (03:53):
It defense wins championships and where it's playoffs.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But you're talking about the same Bears that came out there.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Tore the Cowboys up, to them up, they told them up.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
But then you get in the shootout with Washington and
it's like, ah, man, you know what, Hey, we ain't
the only ones that lost to the Bear, so maybe
the Bears are doing good.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Like that's what I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
It's just you know how you always sit there and say,
why the Cowboys fans always saying super Bowl on now?
Or we're still got this so we still have hope.
Like it's moments like this where you can still see it.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
I don't even think I got nothing to do with that, Okay,
I just got I just feel like the city is
just caught up on some mediocre football in the year.
Regardless of what the media train does and what Jerry does.
He hypes everybody up and he's Uh, basically, these people
are kind of brainwashing this.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Who's leading the division right now?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Here's the thing man in Philadelphia right now, so Philly
is foreign to here is that. I'm with you, door set.
People have watched thirty years of mediocre football and now
they believe it's okay. And when we're watching players retire,
the questions or even thought to people saying about, well,
should Dez Brian getting the Ring of Honor?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
No Tank?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Somebody asked me, with Tank Lawrence clip to Tank being
a ring, I said, no, there has been no winning done,
no one's nobody has hung a band around here. Nobody
can even get to the NFC's championship I mean the
NFC Championship game around here. But fans have been so
conditioned now to accept guys who've been okay, who've done
nothing to add to the legacy of the Dallas Caberys.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean, you're young, I'm not wrong. I'm not now.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
I agree with you wholehearted on that Tank no, there's
maybe it is because I'm younger and stuff like that.
For this generation. Yeah, it is mediocre, but he did
the numbers. He changed the game in his own like retrospect,
like the ex is still like iconic. But when you
think about the guys that you have said, the big
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name giants said, who is it, mister din that's not
in there right now.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
It's like, okay, Nicky Shuffer was icon Okay, so let's
let's look at it. That's who like what receivers or
or in or in the or on think Bob Hays
was running back in the receiver right was he.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Mainly being a receiver for Bob Hays? So Bob Hays
Drew Pearson.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
That's it, Michael, Michael, those are only three Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Those those are those are your those are your your receivers.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
Right now, people game Drew played that played the.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Game at one of the most vicious times in the game. Okay,
like they didn't even have no basically interference bumper run.
They was kind he was lining up at receiver in
the three point stance and Drew only got with a
total of like eight.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Thousand yards maybe career wise less than ten.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Let's less. It may be less than eight. I don't
know how much Michael has. Okay, now, if we're looking
at numbers, let's see how many.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Let's see what the numbers that Dads has.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
I understand he ain't win no championships, he ain't put
him no banners, but was he? I don't know how
many years are pro Dads is one of the most
dominant receivers.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that's only for a number of years. And that's
why I say he So if you.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Don't have a banner, do you not deserve to go
into Like say, if a dude has a a less
his career with no banners, are you saying like he
don't deserve to, you know, have the Ring arnor have
the Hall of Fame as well?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Okay, So basically right now, the Ring of Honor is
going to people who have won championships here or got
gold jackets.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
He's one of the other that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
A compet is Travis Ridgerck in the here's your.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Ring of Honor, Troygman, Larry Allen gil Brandt, Tony Dorsett,
Charles Haley, Cliff Harris, Bob Hayes, Chuck Hallie, Michael Irvan Leeroy,
George Jimmy Johnson, Tom Landry, Bob Lillly, Don maryed and
Drew Pearson, Don Perkins, mel Renfrow, Tech shrim Emmitt Smith, Rogers, Staubach,
De Marcus Ware, Randy White, Darren Woodson, Rayfield Wright Perkins
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may have been the last guy that got in there
who did not win a championship or go into the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he got in and
I want to say nineteen seventy six. So basically now
for fifty years almost this is the standard. Des Bryant
doesn't meet the standard. I mean, the Marcus Ware doesn't
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meet the standard. There's people out there asking about Tony Romo.
Should Tony Romo get in the Marcus where don't meet
the stand He's already talking about Marcus Launch. No, Marcus
Ware is already in.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I don't think Tank should d where he's in the Hall.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Of Fame about me?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean Tank talking about you know, I Tank don't
deserve it.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I mean if obviously everybody's going to talk about the
catch that was supposed to be the year that the
Cowboys was supposed to win the Super Bowl. But like
I'm trying to look I really want to find his numbers.
Call it bad as the tuck rule is like.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
This, man, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I mean there's at the end of the day we
could talk about Des caught it. Des didn't catch it. Uh,
the league said no, and it is what it is.
And as bad as the tuck rule was for for
your Raiders, you know what, it didn't go your way.
New England goes on to win a Super Bowl and
the legend of Tom Brady's and Adam and and Tierry
is born there.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know, this is what happens.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But Des Bryant while he leads to the Cowboys and
several receiving you know numbers.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
The game has changed.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
The game has totally changed from what you can do
number one, as you talked about here receivers. Man, you
used to have DB's that could hit you all the
way down toil. You can't do it now. Now you
can barely brush your brother. And they're they've made the
rules so the offense has all the advantage.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
How many yards did does Brian have career?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's all trying. I can now fund it on here
right now.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
So my thing on that is, once again, you got
no gold jacket. You did not win a championship with
the Cowboys. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
This?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
This is what?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
This is the list.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Now you go back to heart. Harvey Martin is a
Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He's not even in here.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Defensive NFL Defensive Player of the Year, not in here.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You might be right.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I was just gonna interrupt you to say, give you
your flowers. If this is correct, what I'm looking at
on ESPN for career wise total receiving yardist Dez Bryant
has seven five hundred and six yards on a total
of nine hundred and twenty six twenty six targets. Out
of those nine hundred and twenty six targets, five hundred
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and thirty seven have those been caught?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And let's and at this point, okay, if CD Lamb
plays the same number of years as death, what desks
like nine?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
About nine years? I think so?
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Think that back that was up to twenty twenty. So
they didn't have his last year. What was this last
year in the league.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I mean he was hanging around with Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But at this point in time, ceedee, Lamb will pass
as Bryan in many of these categories. And I'll tell
you this ceede Lam shouldn't get in there either. If
you don't if you do the standard. At some point
in time, we got to make the standards standard, no
gold jacket, no championship.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Then I man ain't got no time for you, Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So, Zach Martin, Zach No, No, those they've been doing
it well.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
I mean because you could get into the Hall of
Fame fifty years later. All right, So then at that point,
now what we're doing, if we bringing in legends all
twenty years after the fact that everything else, like like
what they did with you Pierson, it ain't just Dreudo.
He ain't the only legend that went in, Okay, But
I'm just we want him doing it too. And I'm
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not just talking about like the situation here in Dallas.
I'm talking about like a player's career overall. So like
at that point, if you have these crazy numbers, but
it takes them forever to put you in the Hall
of Fame for whatever reason, like t O Got had
to wait because not his numbers wasn't right because they
quote unquote didn't like what he was doing off the
field and everything else like that, Then if we're basing
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it off of that, then it could be something that
should know that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
A case for someone how many super Bowls did Drew
Damn Marina?
Speaker 8 (11:55):
Was Da Marino? First ballot? Yeah, he was first ballot. Okay,
I'm talking about for the Boys. But that's who I'm
talking about up for the Cowboy. But when we talk
about the Cowboys Ring of Honor, what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
If you want me to make a case for somebody
that don't have the numbers or this iconic like that
right whatever.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
That may have the numbers but doesn't have the gold
jacket or the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I mean, we all know that Zach Martin is going
to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, would be,
but I would say another guy that I think should
be in the Ring of Honor that didn't win anything here,
but was the.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Name Travis Frederick. No, he didn't play on that man.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
He was a catalyst to this line, Like he trained
one what they've had multiple had multiple top offenses.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
In the league. Like what do you say before that?
Zach Martin?
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Zach Martin, but he's going to be a first ballot
Hall of Famer. You can't team no, but he's only
had three holding calls his whole career.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
In five years. In five years, Zach Martin will be
was he will get a gold. So Zach Martin, Jason
Witn't are going to.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Go in the Hall of Fame, so they'll be in
the Jason Living he changed the game. Okay, So so
those are guys.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
How many rings does Drew Piston have one? Okay? So
he has two. He played in two Super Bowl, he
played in the Well.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
He has more career yardage seven eight and twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But Daz has seventy five touchdowns in his career.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Drew Pearson only has h I got a name for it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Forty eight.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Did Tonyill win anything while he was here?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And Tony Hill shouldn't be in there?
Speaker 7 (13:27):
Did Tony Will win anything while he was here?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
To my knowledge, No, I don't think Tony was on
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
Tony he got more yards and Drew Pearson he got
more yards than Dazz Brian.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, but then Tony and Tony Hill doesn't. Tony Hill
shouldn't be in it. Tony Hill's name is and I
love Tony in person, good dude, as you know as well.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Tony Everson Walls in it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Everson Walls shockingly and shamefully is not Everson Walls.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
You don't deserve it.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Yes, okay, you told me to give you one.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I gave you one. Yeah, right, two times today.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
But ever and ever, I think got fifty something career interceptions,
it ain't in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Everybody else that got fifty some interceptions, they.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
All Everson Walls was up tragically, Tragically, Everson Walls was
up in his final year as a as a player
and did not get in. The people in charge of
the Dallas media who are in charge of trying to
make sure these names get put out here, did Everson
Walls a disservice.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Everson is a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Should be It should be in the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, should be in the Cowboys Ring of Honor they.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Put They put Eric Allen in, one of my former teammates,
and Eric rightfully deserves to be in there.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Walls deserve, Rivers deserve to be in.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Everson Walls, in my opinion, is is where Drew Pearson was.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
This is an overlooked Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
This is a Hall of Fame player who did win
the Super Bowl on it with I don't know if.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
See, I don't I don't know if I would have
gave Drew Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, well, okay, all right, all right, look this is great.
This is great so Drew Pearson.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
And I know the time that he played, and I
respect it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But those numbers once again, okay, thousands, go back to
your happens and with my daddy he played. You have
to look at the numbers at the time he retired.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
This is what this is what the NFL was.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You did not have teams that were out here throwing
the ball fifty times a game, so.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Nobody had gone to go in this Why did it
take so long ago? And if we're looking at it like.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
That, I just told you one more time. This has
been a problem with the Dallas media folks who were
in charge of trying to push the agenda for the players.
I talked to Rick Gozland about this very much so,
and Rick said that Frank luxA had let a lot
of guys down by not putting forth their candidacy. I've
also believed this is my very core and I've talked
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to guys who played on the Super Bowl team and
Super Bowl thirteen that day, a lot of gold jackets
were lost because the Cowboys would have won back to
back Super Bowls, won twelve and thirteen, would have been
the first team to win three Super Bowls, would have
been the team of the seventies because they've been to
five Super Bowls and seventy Steelers one and the Steelers
won that game. And so therefore we see a guy
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like no offense. But Donny Shelle, Donny Shelle the Hall
of Famer, I mean, really, I mean, damn, the front
was so good and you got two dudes at the
middle linebacker, I mean linebacker between Jack Hamm and Jack Lambert.
What you got to do? You got you got one
dude who took one side of the ball away and
Mel Blunt. Nobody was going over there, Meil Blunt, big
as you playing corner bro right. And so I've always
like Donny Shell, really mean, because Mike Wagner was a
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good safety there too. But so, but this is how
it worked. This is how it worked. So Drew Pearson
Cliff Harris had to wait forever to day. Cliff and
Drew were check this out. Both first Team All nineteen seventies,
All decade, Okay, all decade. These two forever the Day,
were the only two first team guys on offense or
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defense in the nineteen seventies who were not in the
Profile Ball Hall of Fame. So when they come up
with the original class where they added ten people, Drew
didn't get in. They put Cliff in. The dude who
was second team All decade receiver was Harold Carmichael. They
put Harold Carmichael in the Pro Football Hall of Fame
before Drew Pearson. I don't know how many yards he had.
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He played in one Super Bowl they got beat by
the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Drew Pearson played in two Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
His quarterback is in the hall, The head coaches in
the hall, and you start looking around at different guys
who played in the seventies like that too, between the
quarterback and the head coach, and pretty much the receiver
guy in there too.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
The running back is in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Drew Pearson was very critical and Roger Steinbach talked about
this guy's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It took way too long for him to get it.
He was done. It deserves Everson for his.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
For the time that he played in the yards did
he put up you know what I mean. But at
the end of it, it seemed like he was more
so politicking and all this I loved, you grew up
with him and his kids as well. But the whole
thing you broke Mahart and all this other kind of
stuff and everything, it was just a little It was
a lot being there that day, Being there that day,
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and when they talked about the guys getting in, there
were people telling him you're getting in.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
They were also people that you know which one was.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Again, you were first team all nineteen seventies. You're the
only guy on offense not in.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Everyone else is in. And then on the other side
it's Cliff. Everyone's in.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And they were talking about the cleanup haul here where
they were going to put in ten people, and they didn't.
And what also happened to Drew is if you noticed,
nobody got more than two off one team, Steelers, the Cowboys,
the Packers. They only gave him two. They weren't giving
anybody three. So the two dudes who got in Jimmy Johnson,
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Cliff Harris Bill Belichi, by the way, was on that committee,
and Belichick politic for Harold Carmichael, over Drew Pearson, along
with Bill Poling, and they were saying that they felt
Carmichael was a very hard person to guard and that.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
I didn't play against him, but I can.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Look at him that and that he changed the game.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But he was second team all nineteen seventies, not first
team second So how.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Do we how do we do this?
Speaker 8 (19:25):
So we're talking, we're talking about numbers that are not
in front of us right now. We're trying to compare careers.
I don't know what year Drew started playing. I don't
know what year Carmichael started playing, but I do know
what you just said is very true. The heart of
the cover out of the two was definitely going to
be Carmichael. Drew had you know what them legs was
doing like this when he was running and he wasn't
no top speed dude, and he wasn't a big guy.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Was undrafted.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
That gives you, That gives you a little more pool.
We all know that.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And so like to the first team wide receivers ninety
says lynz one who's in, And I think Linn has
Lynn has maybe ten thousand yards or lesson for a
lot of years. It was used against him before he
got put in, but it's Lynn Swann and Drew Pearson,
both guys won championships, both guys Hall of Fame players,
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and they rightfully are in their spots.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
So I had another teammate, John Stalwarth.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, giant, Yeah, it's just frustrating. I guess when you
think about are you making an argument? The project is frustrating.
So it definitely is, especially his athlete going through those
things of what are these determined factor? But with Drew Pearson,
did he get into the Cowboys Ring Honor? I'm assuming
before he got into the Hall of Fame he did.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, but even that took a while because it was
it was a disagreement with exactly, with him and the.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Committee exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And so we got to hit a break.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
We got to hit a break.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Let's hit a break. Let's hit a break.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We will hear from Jerry Jones as he talks about
Matt Eberflus's defensive coordinator because fandra frustrating, upset. But we'll
do that next right here with we got Trey Moore said.
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Speaker 3 (23:51):
Slash why part checking numbers here and this is what
it says for Lyn Swan career three hundred and thirty
six receptions, receiving yards, five thousand, four hundred and sixty
two receiving touchdowns fifty one.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
What you say.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Career fel statistics three hundred and thirty six catches, five thousand,
four hundred and sixty two yards, fifty one receiving touchdowns
all all decade nineteen seventies, three times Pro Bowler, three
times First Team All Pro, Super Bowl, MVP, Super Bowl
ten when they beat.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
The Cowboys, and four time Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Alive yards five thousand yards. But also when was he
he made? When was playing big?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Let's make so he let he finished in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Eighty two when they wasn't throwing like that in so
so the thing.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
It's kind of like when and the plays that he
made in the biggest games, bro, you get Swani showed up.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I ain't no saying other people didn't. Oh no, when people.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
But when you say that number though, like you said,
three hundred and ninety.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Three hundred and thirty six catch estions.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Three hundred and thirty six das has five hundred and
thirty seventh.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, and you can't, you can't. And this is
where I get frustrated. It's not the same game.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's not it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
We can say football, but the NFL is not the
same game.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
It's legislated differently, the rules are different.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
They have pushed offense all day long and now passing
and you got I mean, think about Rocky Blyer, Rocky Blyer,
Robert Newhouse, two well known fullbacks.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Man, you're lucky you know Rockyers.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I don't know who Rocky Blyers, but I do know
Rod Newhouse. And I mean, I'm sorry Robert, because I
know I know it's right.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So that's just like, so you know, these are positions
that they don't even have to.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I remember when William Floyd played for the San Francisco
Run drafted the first round out of Florida State, bar none.
I can't think of the last time we saw a
fullback drafted in the first round. But this is the
difference to the the NFL. Football's changed. So when you
talk about received leaving numbers and passing numbers, to me,
I always say, go back to when a guy left.
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When Tony dor Set left the National Football League, think
he was second all time in rushing.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He passed OJ Simpson.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He was second or third.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So so now you look at it, it's not the same.
But when you leave the game and you are top
three in a major category, dude, that's ballin it is
Joe Demagio.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
It's just a baseball reference.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
When Joe Demagio left Major League baseball, he was second
or third all time in home runs with only like
three hundred plus home runs under four hundred today, that's
nothing but that to me, when I say when did
you leave and how you left, it's a heck.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
It's a heck of a thing. We don't talk about context.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So much of what matters when I think about these
things what's the context. And I go back to Lynn
Swann and what you were saying, the biggest games and
the biggest lights. That dude was there. Super Bowl thirteen
makes a hell of a catch, ends up getting hurt
and going out of the game, But it was one
of the differences the Steelers beat the Cowboys become the
team of the seventies four Super Bowl championships. Yes, the
first two they were running the ball, but dude was there.
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That's what puts you in when you start to look
at the amount of winning first team. Okay, when they
came out all nineties.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
So they sit up here.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
They got two receivers for the whole decade, a heck
of a decade of football.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
By the way, it's some tremendous players.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
He was there. That's why I feel like.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Brian wasn't there.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
No, he wasn't. And I'm not making a case for him.
I said, in my generation, I'm thinking about it. But
when I sit here, like I said, I'm a football guy.
Like when you become when you play outter a certain
amount of time, you know, you start to study of
the game to figure out how you can stay there,
and you have a better appreciation for it and looking
at the numbers, it's like, yes, he was iconic for
what I seen. But like you said, my man had
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five thousand yards on three hundred and thirty six catch,
five hundred and thirty seven reception, he only has seven
thousand and only that is a major accompaniment some guys,
I'll never get this, But five hundred and thirty seven
you only have seven five hundred and six seventy five yardists.
Like you know how PFF has the ratio like, hey,
if this person only played five reps but he had
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two sacks, then his production ratio is way over there.
Like I wish they had a grating skill like this
when it comes for talking to you know, if you're
going to compare receiver as a receiver, if he did
what he did in today's game with the protection that
they have, I wish they had something where they can say, hey,
this is what we project that he would have in
this day and age with you know, thirty four plus
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games or howevery many extra plus regular season games because
we talk about I remember what was it a couple
years ago when they were talking about TJ. Watt breaking
Michael Strahan's record, like it would have been iconic. It
would have been cool. The record's broken, but you have
way more games. Oh well, the Brett farlaid down for
straight hand to get the record and do this and
do that.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
He did it in less reps.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Like it's still more impressive when you can do that, Like,
records are meant to be broken.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
And it took contacts to go into all time contacts.
I mean, right now you start looking NFL passing leader,
it's all time yardage.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Brady's number one. Nobody argues with that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But what I do find interesting when people say, well
a guy, if a guy has these certain numbers, then
he should be in the hall.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Matt Ryan's eighth all time? Is Matt Ryan a Hall
of Famer?
Speaker 8 (29:16):
Is Frank Gore Hall of Famer? Was Frank Gore ever?
First Team All Pro? Is he ever the best running
back in the league? Was he ever the top back
in the league? But he got Hall of Fame now.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
He got he got Hall of Fame numbers, and what
he had most importantly his longevity, Like, well, what do
you mean, bro, Who's who's played that long margument that we're.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Making right now? As well? You just made the argument
there's more games and.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
It is, but it's he's played in multiple like it's not.
He played in one era. Frank Gore played.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Frank Gore sixteen thousand yards of rushing. How many numbers
he played number three all time? I don't know the
number of years at about sixteen years.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
And buddy playing multiple years he played like we got
as we're talking.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
About, when it comes down to the barbershop, you bound
to get a haircut.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
When when you talk about.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Saying a thousand, a thousand yards ain't that big of
a deal.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Touchdowns twenty twenty's twentieth all time and touchdowns eighty one,
tied with OJ Anderson was.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
The first pro ever first team Pro Ever. I don't
I don't think you.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
I don't think you should say that, because that's that's
the measuring stick of as well.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's a measuring stick. But we just you.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
The whole argument before him was just about how the
media pushed certain people and do this and that, and
you don't get.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Your This is what the great Rick Goslin would tell me.
He said, stack compiler, and I believe that's what you're
talking about here. Frank gorey Hall of Fame player. Was
he just a stack compiler because he played. And it's
an interesting thing because in the world of baseball, you
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hang out long enough and get yourself three thousand hits,
they're gonna put you in based on, you know, three
thousand hits, three thousand hits. Frank Gore finishing third all
time and playing that long, there is something to be
said for that when you look at guys who've had
shorter careers and it gets used against them. So it's
a fantastic argument. And I would love to hear the person.
(31:23):
And I don't know which city Frank Gore would be
represented by. Who makes who makes the present day? Was
someone from San Francisco or who doesn't? What case would
you make for Frank Gore? It'd be very interesting. Here's
what we do. No, he was never a first team
All Pro player. He was a second team All Pro once,
five time pro bowler. He was NFL All Decade twenty ten,
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so he wasn't All Decade player.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So he does that. He does have that his in
his in his back pocket.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
And Frank Gore's almost in some ways as another fantastic
case of for Eli Manning. There are a lot of
people out there about Eli Manning who have a question
mark about.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Him, but he is well Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
But Frank Gore, here's your Here're your running backs for
for the twenty tens. Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch, Lashawn McCoy,
and Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Those are your your four running backs.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
So okay, So out of that list who you're picking,
you can only pick one.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
If I'm pickings again, it's Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Let him pick.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I want to give it is Frank Gore, Marshaun Lynch,
Lashawn McCoy, and Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
First ballot, yeah, ap, second ballot, Frank Gore. Out of
those guys, I mean those other two guys, they were
they were they were special, like shady shifting.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You talking about doing everything. I'll say this, but.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
The best ability is availability, and Frank was available for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's a fantastic argument.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Now when you say pick one, I mean on these
lists here.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
You're gonna have multiple guys at a position go in
because just say, for instance, the quarterback, your two quarterbacks
on the list of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, they're both.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Gonna go in.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
They'll both be first ballot guys.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
And it ain't two running backs on that list that's
going in right now, that's going in at the same time.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
That's two different things you just said at the same time.
That's what I meant. What I mean is what I
just said.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Okay, two running backs on the same ballot.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Going yeah, no, no, no, they could be the same ballot,
But I don't think the two of those, that more
than one from that list is going to go in
at one time.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Not at one time.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But yeah, when you say the same class, like the
same Hall of Fame class, it's very rare. It's very
rare that you get multiple positions in one class at.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
The same and it's rare.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And if we're being.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Completely non champ go in with with Ed Reid or
something like that to.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Safety in corner.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
This is defensive back.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Neither one of y'all lined up to play the position
defensive back.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Okay, I lined up with both, and.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
I know the skill and the technique it takes to
play both here and so Cardinal Lake played both.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Ad Here's what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Know, you understand that when I'm talking to the voters
and the people that do this, they have a differentiation
between the safety and the corner, I know, and now
a Rod Woodson, a Ronnie Lott played both who played both.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
By the way, they just them ain't too many rod Woodson's.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, that's like Aus Wilson Arnell Lake.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Right, there's like a list.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Now there's a.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Button list then then then then than there is but.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
But but for the most part, they're looking at safety,
you know, corner. They're looking at him and that such
like a tie law. They're going to put him in
the corner kind of conversation. Ever since Wall, they are
going to put him in the corner conversation. And when
you talk about many guys who played both, first off,
it's very rare that you got somebody.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Who's that damn good anyway.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I mean, you know, you should be able to go
the corner to safety and then still be balling to
the hell. That's why they in the hall because they
special guys. We didn't get that many special dudes out
there like that. And just looking right here on the
twenty ten list, all right, corners it was Patrick Peterson,
Darell Reeves, Richie Sherman, and that was and uh, that
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was corner.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Then they go into defensive back.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
They put two defensive backs there they said Chris Harrison,
Tyron Matthew. Then for safety they put three dudes on there,
Eric Barry, Earl Thomas and Eric Waddle. That so that
right there on that list that they they went and
just chopped it up into.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Three places for for for DB's so one corner dB
and then takes they chopped a three ways.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
So back in the day when we had dudes that
was playing multiple positions, kicking the ball, running the ball,
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red grains.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
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And it's just not pretty.
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They lose to the Carolina Panthers thirty to twenty seven.
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Speaker 5 (39:42):
He's had tremendous experience. He's dealt with adversity with a
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And these things that we're dealing with here are not
(40:28):
one two major things. There are a lot of little
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(40:49):
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And so there's a lot of ways to win football games,
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is that the way the game panned out was very,
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could get more stops. We thought we could physically do
a better job with them, and they were able to
(41:31):
scheme us a little bit that to their credit, but
we were in that game. Close enough what I think.
I don't want to take too long in the central.
But Carolina is easy to overlook as a formidable matchup
with us. They match up right good against where we
(41:52):
need the work, and so they were a tough, tough
opponent for us. The other day we almost pulled.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
The Carolina Panthers have beaten three teams this year, Atlanta, Miami,
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Jerry says they're on par with Carolina, guys, that doesn't
(42:23):
make me feel real good.
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Let me say this before I forget it real quick,
because it was something he said, and and I don't
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it made reference to the point that they almost that
they thought Rico was gonna get over two hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Then he say, what do he It sounded like that,
It sounded like who said that. I didn't. I didn't hear.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
What I heard was him just he basically just said,
I fools ain't gonna get fired. I need him in
the fight, but also this is a tough, tough opponent.
Speaker 8 (42:57):
I said about the matchup, no way that they felt
like the game was going to know there now.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
Yeah, he said that the match up win exactly how
I was planned in the schedule from them seeing that
they just planned on him a couple.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
More so, what I heard was that, yeah, we we
planned he We knew that he was gonna bust all right,
but we just thought that we might be able to
stop him at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
He didn't say him, he said, he said to them.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
But we know who Breese Hall ran ran against. They've
they've given up yardage on the ground.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
But we're talking about what he just said about Carolina, right,
and I'm just saying, yes.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
He sounded like he said, hey, yeah, we knew we're
gonna give him some yards.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, we were gonna give some yard.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
But we thought we thought we get We thought Dak
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getting the ball back six six o seven to go.
They thought they had one more shot to go win
the football game. But the vaunted the Carolina offense led
bry Bryce Young, did the six minute seven drive, not
a two minute, not a two minute, not a three minute,
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but a six minute seven drive to say, you're not
getting the football back. Dude, that's pathetic, that's embarrassing. And Jerry, uh, yeah,
you wanted Matt Ebraflus, he tells us right there, he
hired Matt Eberflus. He wanted Matt Eberflus back in the building.
And this guy's not getting it done. But he said,
(44:18):
you know he's gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I think that the defense in itself, and we've talked
about this a lot of times already, this defense had
another gal on it at one point in time that
could make a lot of things disappear.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And at the same time, and.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
At this hunt, they got the number one rush defense
in league.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (44:42):
And then at the same time as well, Like if
you're looking at it and I don't know what options
ebra Flus has or whatever defense coordinator had, this job
is a much more attractive job with Michael Parsons on
the team than without him on the team.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
It is.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
But I'm sorry, I'm sorry, stop talking about that, bro,
Like that doesn't matter, Like.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
You are you talking about the job? Okay?
Speaker 8 (45:08):
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to the.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
Dudes who you know ain't gonna do nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
So what what team are you gonna pick?
Speaker 8 (45:21):
Are you going to the team that's going to probably
get you to the playoffs with the champion pedigree?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Are you gonna take the take the team that's not
that you know exact?
Speaker 6 (45:30):
What are you talking about from what perspective? A player
perspective on a coach's perspective, I'm talking about different perspective. No,
at the end of the day, now a free agent, Yes,
it is if I'm thinking of job something, Yes, if
somebody says that they're gonna get the defensive hold on,
hold on, let me. You can't interrupt me. If you're
gonna ask me a question, let me get it out. So,
like I said, it is a different job. If I'm
a defensive coordinator and somebody says I have the potential
(45:51):
to go be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys,
or I'm gonna go be the defensive coordinator of the
Cleveland Browns. They gonna take the Cowboys every time because
of the off the field money, because of the note
to ride, because of the media.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Like you do deal with those things, but then.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
You also and then you put them in then you
also market. But then also but then also you gotta
take it. Yeah, you put that's two different markets. Why
nobody would take it? But then hold on, I got
you new I don't want to keep talking. But also
the last thing is the ownership. Am I gonna go
somewhere that somebody wants me or don't want me? And
if I'm eber Flus going to America's.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Team the owner leveland Brown So.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
That's two different organizations.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
End it like this. I don't know if Maddi Flus
even had another option, that's all.
Speaker 9 (46:35):
He might not.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
That's all all.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Anthony Dorsett appreciate it, trade more, appreciate new strikes for
Chris Pieve and everybody else here.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Dallas Cowboys dot Com, we appreciate you. Will do it
again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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