Player's Lounge: The Physicality of Practice

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Boys.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is the Player's Lounge broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church,
Anthony dor Set, the Montrey More and Newly Scruggs.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back, baby, which is the Player's
Lounge here at the w SWBC studios here.

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In Frisco, Texas.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Of course, I'm here with my crew as always, the
big Dog, the Monttree Moore.

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Texas A and M's very own.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
And we also got my brethren from Pittsburgh of course,
Anthony door Set, and we also got the four is
it fourteen times or maybe it's sixteen times, Emmy on
War winning reporter Newie's Scrugs. He's out there boots on
the ground at ox Star during training camp, so we'll
get to hear all about how the Cowboys are doing

(01:13):
out there well, and it's just me, it's just your
favorite box safety, Miss Sherry turns out here.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm doing the most. But today we.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Got a new host in the chair, you know, and
I'm gonna go ahead and throw the reins to the
new host with them most you know here what it is,
Anthony Dorset.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
You know what they say, the more you could do, man,
you know what I'm saying, You just got to make
yourself as value as possible, as valuable as possible. So
you know, I got the call, say Neuie out there
holding it down for us, So I'm gonna hold it
down in here for.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Him for us while we're doing it and how we're
doing it. So big news though, brit News Tyler, Guidon Tyler.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Right now, Dodg's a major bullet Doughty towards a cl
before she for him.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
He got it. Well, it's a bone fracture, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
So now we're looking at a situation where possibly he
might actually be ready for the first game. I'm saying,
if everything goes right with recovery, rehab and everything else
like that.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
So uh, but do out the process of it.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
We got to move some dudes around, right, So right
now they're gonna give that young boy, Nate Thomas, who
is second round I'm sorry, second year player, seventh rounder,
seventh round draft pick from last year.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
He's gonna get starting. Now what y'all think about that?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
All right, Well, you just said you out there knewing
you and Ox now you you you boots on the
ground right now, what are you hearing about? You know,
Nate being the guy that's gonna step in for guiding
as he deals with this injury. And what are people
saying about the injury? Does he have a good chance
of coming back for the game one, Well, let's tell you.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
The first the first game, that's like what you'd like
to happen. But my gosh, think about it. You want
your first game to do ahead Eagles?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
No, No, not with that past was the.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
Second week you got the Giants. I mean, hey, brother,
e's all back into it because it's a long way.
It's seventeen games. So that's my first thought. Right, So
they just ram reps with the first team. So Thomas
was out here at left tackle, and now they got
Will Greer in here with the second team, and they
got awesome Richards over here at left tackle. I was

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at the Brian Schottenheim profressor and he said, look, you know,
we're gonna run run Thomas and Richards out here, and
we're going to let these guys figure it out. They're
going to compete. This is their opportunity. And so now
Dak is back out here again with the starting offensive
line unit here and right there, baby received, they got
Thomas right here standing next to Tyler Smith. He's going

(03:32):
to get his opportunity to see what happened here. But
you guys know pre season is going, pre season games
is going to be where we see it. But he's
gonna get first cracking. I thought you can ask for
was the opportunity. So I'll be baker to have a
conversation with him after about you know, what he's his goals,
what he's trying to do where he's comfortable at. And
then of course thought to Tyler Smith because Tyler's really

(03:55):
he's a good truth teller. Remember I talked to you
guys before about when you talk to a guy, what
did he say? What does he say? And I know
how Tyler talks about guys. I'll be very eager to
see what he's gleaning and seeing from Thomas here at
this left tackle spot. But guys, I'm worried about it.
You know I'm worried about it. We were talking before
about guy and now Titan's co miss some time here

(04:16):
and uh row.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Are you question here from me?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Are you surprised at all that they gave Thomas the
nod to get with that first team as opposed to
a guy like awesome Richards, who last year was able
to fill in and I feel like he played, you know,
pretty well when he when he filled in for you know,
the tackles last season. Are you surprised that Thomas got
the nod to go with the first team or is
this just a thing where a you know, one day
it's gonna be Thomas, one day it might be Richards.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
They just kind of a revolving door.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
So I'm gonna believe Shotty at his work where he
talks about competition and and you know, he learned that
under Pete care If you ever had Pete Cherroll's book,
it's called Winning Win Forever, and so a lot of
that if you ever read that book, a lot of
what Pete does his philosophy, you see him run. So
it's camp. We'll see, that's why you throw them out here.

(05:05):
Was I surprised? Yeah, here's the thing, and you you
guys know this better than I and I've over the
years I've had to learn there are things that go
on in these rooms that we in the media don't
see and guys there see they know. So a new
offensive line coach, new coaching staff, new offensive coordinator, who's

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got an offensive line back. Somewhere along the way, they've
seen something that they like from this kid they drafted
who didn't play last year. They say, we want to
see more. Let's get him out here and throw them
in the deep water. See how he starts swimming. Oh wait,
I just saw a swing passing my boy el boogie.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
He got a swing past the l boogie. Man, we
can't even go there.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
All right, man, he gonna make the team, Just so
you know, Hunter List, he's gonna make past out here
to the fall back. Yeah, yes, I call that.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
We already talked about that. The HPAC position is going
to be there. But back to the whole gu situation one.
I love the segments that you gave us Nui as
far as talking about that, but I do want to
echo something that he said, just like we know as players,
there's always that one guy on the roster where you're like, yo,
that next year he's going to be that guy, or
like if he just had an opportunity but they never

(06:24):
really gave it to him. So I think that speaks
volumes to him being there on him not playing.

Speaker 8 (06:29):
So I do want to see that with Tom.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
But what I do want to ask you Knuie and
switch it up a little bit because we've been talking
about the old lineman and me as a d line
and I feel some type of way, let's get back
to this Mazi thing. We've been talking about Mazi so much.
Everybody's been talking about his body's chained. He's coming in here.
You have Matt Eberflus with this fourth through wide defense.
Now that we have boots on the ground, how's it looking?

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Because on the internet, from the cuts that we've seen,
no shade on him. You know, it's like the coaches
used to always say, it's never as bad and it's
never as good. But the one cliff, the cliffs that
the few clips we've seen, we seen them getting thrown
out the cliffs.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
No white tea, no white teas is down there?

Speaker 8 (07:06):
Is he looking dominant? Like? What like? Give the fans
something hopeful? Like what is it like?

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Tell us the whole story about Mazi now that you're
there and you see him living person.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Okay, so they are not hitting today, Uh they are,
They're they're in there. You know in their shells.

Speaker 8 (07:25):
What he said we.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Shotty told me. He said, were gon hit tomorrow?

Speaker 8 (07:29):
Okay, okay, I got I.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
Got called out at the press conference where you're talking.
Where are you being?

Speaker 8 (07:35):
Hey, everybody want to know where the Emmy? A war
wouldn't have been the show.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Don start till you get there, newly, I said. I said,
I was the one wait till you started hitting. And he's like, well,
we're not hitting. We don't hit the day and we
don't hit the ball. So I got nothing for you
on money. Okay, I got nothing for your Mazi, but
I know tomorrow when they start hitting. Because when asked
about our practices maybe to physically to ease up on it,

(08:00):
he was like, no, no, we're going to have physical chance.
And he also went on to say this is football, guys,
and you all you three know from playing that there's
nothing you can do that makes that makes.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
You can't simulate those those game those game reps, like
no matter how much you practice, no matter how you
how much you're working during the off season, even when
you're going through the shelves, it's hard to get an
accurate reading. So I echo those same sentiments that you're saying,
and I love the way that you switch that, because
we definitely were going to ask that. I don't know
if we're going to do it before the break, but
we definitely wanted to ask about the physicality part of

(08:40):
it because you have three different generations right here. You
have me, who's the younger guy out of them. You
have Burrier this before me, and then you got the
great a d over here that's seen the old school
two of days where we're talking about. Really you have
three practices that long, rigorous one from the mental and
then the two physical ones. So with that being said,
we actually wanted to ask you with all these injuries,

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like what is it about the physicality physicality about practice?

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Is it too physical?

Speaker 7 (09:06):
And then like you said, you already answered it. Shotty said,
we're not backing up. We're bringing this. So him bringing
that competitive edge and nature I really love. But what
are you saying in the physicality is a practice?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
You gotta have a philosophy, yes, And I think what
you have to do is stick with whatever the philosophy is.
So if you say you're gonna be physical, then you
got to go because if somebody gets hurt while you're
doing it. It is what it is. Parcels operated that
way when he was here training camp, and I agree
with because what you've got to do and you guys
played as well. Be consistent. Yes, so sit up here,

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tell me one thing, and well we saw two those
things happen and two practices, So now we're about to
abandon everything. He can't do it. This is what it
is the NFL. Next man up. At some point in
time over seventeen games, we know dude's gonna get hurt. Man,
And so it stinks that you saw too offensive lineman
who's been running with the first team go down, but it.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Is what it Yeah, now we're looking at what You
can't really move guys around because you want to get
the best five guys out there. And as you guys
have been talking about, this is going to be such.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
A run heavy offense.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
So you don't want to take a guard and move
him outside to tackle. You don't want to take a
tackle moviem inside. You want to try to find that
nucleus of the five best guys that you can get
out there.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
So, just like you said, they're gonna have to figure
it out.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
And I love the fact that we're not going to
play musical chairs with guys. But actually, I lie. I
don't love the fact that we're not going to play
musical chairs. If anything, I felt like this is the
time to play musical chairs with an injury seeing what
we got, because training camp is a good for the
bullets don't count right now, like we're doing dry fires.
But with us doing dry fires, I love what Nui said.

(10:43):
As far as Shoddy said it, he told y'all, I'm
not caring with the fans say, I'm not about to
back off of it because I've been fortunate enough being
a journeyman going on nine different teams. I've been around
those guys that say, hey, we believe in our philosophy
and we're going to keep working it until it starts hitting,
because this.

Speaker 8 (10:58):
Is what got us here.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
But I've also seen some guys that haven't been so sure.
And I know in recent past history with the Cowboys,
especially with our media being the America's team, every time
that Americas start echoing something, oh, we need to do this,
we need to do that, I feel like the coach
gets away from that, and right now Shoddy is shown y'all,
I don't care what the injury is not being there.
I don't care what the starter's not being here. We're

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still going to practice hard at whoever survives, those are
going to be my tough dogs and be out there.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
So I love this philosophy.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
All right, so far, well new we You know, we
talked about the trenches and you know they're not in
past and not popping out.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
There anything like that. So all right, we get that.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Let me talk to more about the skill position on
the outside. What have you seen since you know you've
been down there in Oxnar. What has Dak Prescott and
his connection with CD Lamb or his connection with his
new weapon George Pickens and the newly signed, the newly
signed big money target out there at tight end? What
have you seen from this passing attack and the timing
with those individuals with Dak Prescott.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
Okay, so yesterday they didn't practice, so there was no
practice yesterday and they just started now, so I'm just
starting to see glimpses. They went through the drills with
the three quarterbacks and working on end zone routes here
and you know, picking Lamb snack balls. I'll tell you
a guy who snacked the ball and I was like
oh okay, okay. Uh the boy they traded for from

(12:20):
Carolina Ingo Mingo, Yes, yes, yes, yes, well boy shopped
the Mingo Mingo. I'm like, oh okay. Tolbert had a
nice little pass in the end zone. So so once again, man,
dudes are in shells, you know, ain't no DB's covering them.
So they're looking good. That's why tomorrow for me, tomorrow

(12:43):
is going to be one more test because now we're
going to have guys and you understand it from playing
now we've seen people go down and get hurt. Yeah,
now we know it's going to be physical and that
Shoddy is going to go by what he says in
terms of we are going to compete. So let's see
what a guy like me. Now that I'm here, I'm like, okay,
what is Mingo doing. Pickens clearly is going down the

(13:05):
road of what they want him to be. But seventeen games,
you're going to meet a Mingo jef up. Oh yeah,
man shot shot. He had praise for Tobert, by the
way to that at the press conference, he had praise
for him. He likes what he's doing. But Mingo's gonna
be a guy, and I think he's in the perfect
spot because of Pickens, we've almost forgotten about it that

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he can operate underneath, and that is where I think
he has an opportunity to show us something because if
he has to get called in the duty, let's see
what he can do. Because at some point times you
guys played no your number gonna get called?

Speaker 8 (13:41):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
And even thinking about Shoty's time back to New York
when you're talking about him, I'm glad you brought that
up because with these most powerful offense guys, y'all think
about it.

Speaker 8 (13:50):
When he was in Seattle, you had.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
A guy like Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett that were your
one two punches, and then you have coming up Javon k.
People don't realize that he was that unsung hero where
it's like, oh, you focused on him.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
So I'm glad to hear that we have that three
man going.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
But I'm gonna stay right there on the offensive side,
because you know you can't see defense right now with
everything that's going. But Nuly, I know you can't say
too much because you haven't seen that much of practice.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
But I want you to think about this, and.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
If you don't have an answer, directly for me right now,
be ready for it on Friday. But we talked about receivers,
we talked about the tight ends, we talked about the
old lineman. Let's get back to this running back talk. Man,
I need to know who's out there, who's starting, Who's
number one?

Speaker 8 (14:33):
Number two? Are there clear cut like?

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Because I think that's gonna be the X factor that
takes our offense onto the top. So who's your guy
and running back? Who's leading it? And is it going
to be a Superman situation? And then you have a
lesser hero that's over there a are you gonna have
like Batman and Superman? Like a one to two punch
combo that we have in Cdee Lamb and George Pickens.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Go back to what I talked about. You know what
questions people are asking and what is the coach saying.
There was not one question asked today from the media
about a running back, not one, not one, not one
man not What the most we got was tripping getting
some handoff and how shotty were you?

Speaker 7 (15:18):
And hey, knew it, I know, I know you about
to give us a break since we didn't have no
details and nobody talked about the running backs and you're
going to be the first one that give us that
great insight on that running back.

Speaker 8 (15:28):
Can you save that.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
For us when we come back out the break, because
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Speaker 6 (18:41):
Yo, yo, yo, Okay, So Shoty just called them all
right up here in the huddle. Yeah, and uh he's
getting out instructions about what it is you want from
guys here. So we're about to see some eleven on
eleven excuse that passing big secrets here, okay, and uh
so we to see what they're gonna do already as

(19:02):
I'm looking here at the first team, they're going with
Thomas again here at let's tackle, so they wait on
the instructions you're shitty about. I'm sure let's not get
too hot tempered here. Let's let's keep everybody up right.
You know, the rules of the gate.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Being pro got to.

Speaker 7 (19:19):
Talk to your war dogs and tell them, hey, coming,
I know y'all, I know y'all getting all worked up.

Speaker 8 (19:24):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Everything up top.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Remember, guys, tomorrow's past saving for there. We don't want
to see no heroes today, So I understand.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
It all right.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
So before we let you slide down, neuie, what what
are you looking forward to seeing out of these next
couple of drills, whether it's eleven on eleven, seven on seven,
what are you looking forward to seeing as this practice
unfolds all right.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
So they're start right here on the fifteen and so
they're going in there. They're working on the goal line here,
they got Ferguson in motion. Dack's dropping back here's looking
toward the left, makes the pass right here, and he
hits big money.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Fer oh, big money goes into the end zone.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
But he was stopped before more hands. So now it's
gonna be second down. So that's the Chris pass right there,
looking over here at Thomas. No issues at all. By
the way, this kid, uh Peyton Turner is tall. Okay,
this dude is long, all right. He's starting at defensive
defensive end right now. So that's fort Elim starting out here.

(20:22):
ELM's one on one with Pickens right here at the
end zone. Dak dropping back to pass, goes right over
the middle and it is picked off blight mar Sean
Kneeland stepped in front.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Sean Kneeland at the defensive line position.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
With the pick at the ten yard line. The curry
of offense, Dak Prescott has picking one on one with
Elim out to the right. He stepped back. He's calling
an audible right now, scanning the field, waiting on the
snap here it goes, and it's an inside run, man,

(21:06):
And we got us a fight. We got us a fight,
yes as a rock.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
And who who else?

Speaker 8 (21:18):
Who throwing the fisty cuffs?

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Oh yeah? Perkison went out said big money had understanding. Rook.
You can't mess with the dogs like that, messing the
dog team like that. So they broke it up. They
broke it up. Not a prominent I'm looking at Chris
Bean right now, by the way, guys beams out here
kicking everything done all right here they are now they
are at the five yard line. Dak Prescott rolling out,

(21:40):
try to find a man and he throws it in
the jerkers and it fits the pressures right there as
he was looking towards litty litty cover book covers right there.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Hey man, this sounds like a defensive drill right here.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
That's going that's top yard line. Hurry up, offense. Dak
Prescott under center, he's looking sowing to the corner of
fade right there and at the seade Lamb touchdown tack.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Looks like they're going back and forth out there. That's
what we love to see out in camp.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Jack hurrying up the unit one more time. Looks like
the ball is at.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
The I think I think, I think one in a
half yard line, trying to show us the second part
of the field. Guys, we might have to go ahead
and break this off and let him.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Get to it so we can have the defense in here.
Right now. You got saying Williams Solomon Thomas up here
on the defensive line as a rocker on the other
side of the defensive end, ninety seven in the middle. There,
Jack Prescott still at quarterback, Miles Sanders in the backfield,
got a bunch set over here to the right, there's
Ferguson next to the tight end. You've got Tobered in

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the slot with Ceede Lamb one on one with E.
Look now they put him in motion to the other
side and Jack goes right back into the end zone.
He find George Pickings for the touchdown.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
Man.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
That's an offense looking good right now. On these last
two plays for the defense, morning hell, they're on with
a Marshawn Kneeling interception in this one, and we got
Ferguson as a Rocco having a little uh touch and
go here. So the first team unit is off for
the offense. Now they've got Joe Milton back here starting

(23:20):
the ball on the fifteen yard line here as they're
working on red zone drills right here.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Fellas, all right, dude, appreciate the grounds on the booths.

Speaker 8 (23:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
We're gonna let you go. We're gonna let you.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Get your evaluation on of this team, of the first
and second team, and we'll hoighland you Friday with an
update on how these guys have been doing out there.
I'm interested to see how the trenches fair and how
Dak Prescott in his communication with these outside receivers will look.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
We'll holll at you back on Friday, all right, pick dogs.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
All right, fellas, all right, all right, land hey man, So.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Hearing all that and seeing that they just scored, you know,
two different plays. But we also got to talk about
that interception now, and that leads me into the whole
thing about signing new dude in the secondary. Yes, r
Les Tos just signed I believe what's his name, Christian Matthew.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
You said he was in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Former seventh round draft pick twenty twenty two from Arizona. Yeah,
it looks like the Cowboys had just signed him after
working him out after Kaitlin Carson had went down with
an injury, and you hate to see that, you know,
because Carson was a guy that came along last year
when injuries kind of reared their ugly head once again.
With Diggs, he was able to fill in. And you know,
he got hurt a little bit last year as well.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I believe he missed six or seven games last year
as well.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
But this is a guy that the Cowboys have have
high hopes on as a guy that can fill in
him kind of be that third corner once everybody's healthy,
once Diggs is there, once bland is there, Carson can
kind of be that third guy. That's what they're looking
toward to see him. But with that hyper extended knee,
you know, wordland Street is that he's gonna miss a
you know, maybe a month, maybe even more than that.
So he's on that same kind of timeline as guiding

(24:53):
This should be back for the first game, but we
shall see. But fellas, when we talk about this and
the depth at the cornerback position, won I want to
see you know, you got thoughts on how that affects
the room as a whole. Seeing is that it's a
thin room as is with you know, with Josh Butler
and Diggs being on pup so it's thin as is,
but also when you were a young guy like that,

(25:13):
he's only in his second year, I believe you're gonna
miss a lot.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Of camp, a lot of reps.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I mean, you're gonna go into the regular season, you can,
You're gonna be fresh, but you're also gonna be like, man,
you know, new defensive system. You know, how does that
affect the secondary as a whole in the depth there?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I mean, that's got to be a huge loss for
the boys, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I learned early on in my rookie year. Unfortunately I
sustained the injury in my rookie year. It wasn't during camp,
it was actually during the season, and it was like
right around the time I was actually gonna get one
of my first starts that year and get hurt in
the game and had to sit there throughout those weeks
while I was actually trying to get back and watch
dudes come in every Tuesday, every Monday, working out to

(25:53):
take my job flat out. That's all it is, you
know what I'm saying. So in that frame of mind,
being a young guy or just a first year dude
on the team as on top of that as well,
Oh man, the stress level is on one hundred and
fifty all right, and then you're dealing with the injury.
You already want to make sure that you hopefully have
a possibility of making the team, you know what I mean.

(26:14):
So with the secondary being so thin right now, it's
going to be a lot of transition like this, Like
I'm sure Christian Matthew won't be the last guy to
get signed before training camp is over.

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Man, And I can't speak on it from the secondary perspective,
but I can't speak on it from the journeyman's perspective.
Like going in there being a third round pick. I
didn't have to worry about that earlier in my career
going into training camp, like I was like, oh man,
this is football, the hard parts over it. You're doing
with the combine and stuff like that, And shout out
to my boy Charles.

Speaker 8 (26:43):
James that played had a long tenure career.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
Charles was undrafted and so literally every Tuesday, Charles used
to be in their first one in there telling me, hey,
did you see this guy working out ad because you
know we just had three dns try out. Oh I'm
not worried about that, bro, I'm kicking it with the vests,
doing this and then. And it wasn't until later on
in my career when I was a cussing the bubble
guy that I started playing attention to that. Not only
am I paying attention to the guys that's coming in

(27:07):
on Tuesday there's practicing here, I'm also paying attention to
this waiver wire who's practicing somewhere else, who got released
over there, because there might be somebody that is a
proven veteran that gets released over there and like you said,
a dB go down right now, then you bring him
in and now he gets seniority over you. So to
have that in the back of your mind, it's a

(27:28):
tough feeling because you're wondering, like, hey, when I do
get want to come back, is there going to be
an opportunity for me, Because some of these guys come
back with opportunities. Everybody's not a tray Varon Diggs or
Michael Parson who says, hey, this is going to be
entitled to you. So my question is more so, like,
I know this guy got hurt. I know we were
expecting him to either be starting or be our number
three guy, but in a secondary that is already injured,

(27:52):
that's not really proven like that, has he done enough
to really earn a spot because if one of these
young guys come in keep making plays, Elon gets out
there whenever you do get the draft pick back that
that's coming off the puppet, Like some of those spots
are already guaranteed. So my question is, hey, man, you
can't make the team in the Kolto.

Speaker 8 (28:10):
So how solidified is he?

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Is he solidified enough to say like, hey, I don't
have to be here for preseason.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I would have say I would say in any other
any other year, any other season, let's just say you know,
Digs is healthy, Butler's healthy, Bland and everybody's rolling. Then
I say, a young fella, you better get back out
there because it is about to get real. But when
you look at this secondary as a whole, it's so
thin right now. I mean when you look at it
and unproven. There's only three three starters out there right now.

(28:36):
You got Bland, who's coming off of an injury from
last year, and then you got the two safeties all right,
you got you got Donovan out there, and then you
got Malik Hooker.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
He got those guys out there.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
So those are only three solidified starters that are actually
out there rolling right now. I know when Daz gets
back and healthy, and from the film we can see
of him out at training camp, he looks like he's
moving well.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So maybe that time spent in Miami was just about it.
I don't know. We will see when he gets back.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
But when you look at it as a whole, any
other year, I would say, young fella, get back. But
to me right now, I'm like, look, man, you gotta.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Get healthy first.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
You gotta get healthy first, because you don't want to
go out there and put bad tape out there.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
You just don't want to.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Do it or give guys an opportunity to say, hey man,
maybe you know, maybe this guy doesn't have it. Maybe
doesn't have it, So we will see, you know, what
he has coming back when he gets back from this injury.
But as I want you to speak on this a
little bit too, AD is how how does this unit geil?
And do you can tell you can speak on it
as well being a part of a D line unit,
But how does this unit jail when only three the

(29:33):
guys that are projected starters are playing throughout the entire camp.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
You know, for me, it goes to say, like when
you're developing identity, Yeah right, you know what I'm saying.
So the whole defense is developing identity right now. But
there's going to be identity in each room, you know
what I'm saying. So whoever that leader is going to be,
and we talked about, you know, the veteran leadership and
the older guys being in that room, and so you
have to like basically be able to say, Okay, this

(29:59):
is the type of defense we're going to play, this
is type of secondary we're going to be.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
We're gonna hold each other.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Accountable to these standards, regardless of who's out there. And
so that way, when that next man comes around, or
that person gets healthy, or whoever size that comes in,
this is what we're looking for from you, and this
is what it's expected from you. And there's no other
way to do that but to hold everybody accountable day
by day.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
And I think not just only holding it accountable.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
From a D line's perspective, you know how it is
like it becomes war of two teams offense, one time
defense one time during training camp, Well, this is where
the vets get the chance to know of the younger guys.
I made the joke or I made the reference earlier
that Shotty comes from Pete Carroll, a competition breeding coach.
So with him bringing in that competition, you're gonna know, Hey,

(30:44):
this young guy, he got some snap to him. Now
does he actually have skill to him? Hey, I want
to see what this guy guy. Everybody y'all know is veteran.
We all find that one young rookie that wed naturally
get attached to that.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
We want them to get the opportunity, want them to
embrace it.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
So when you say how do they jail, Well, they're
already jailing right now. They're jaeling with doing trash can basketball.
They're jailing with doing four square, they're jeling with making
the rookie you go get the snack? Who got my snacks? Okay,
you can follow directions that follow all this to the
t because some of that list is ridiculous. But if
you can do that, something is simple and meticulous. And
think about that right now during training camp. Football is

(31:19):
gonna come with it, But it's about building that trust
off the field to where you say, when somebody gets hurt,
you got a veteran over.

Speaker 8 (31:25):
There, like Barry Church. Hey, coach, throw young Buck over there. Man.

Speaker 7 (31:28):
He's a good rookie, he's dependable, he does everything for us,
and he's in our playbook. That's where the jail is
gonna come. Not so much on the field, like you're
gonna jail with players and stuff like that, but get
that extra cohesives what they say, that extra.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Sprinkling stuff right there.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
So that's how I think that they're gonna jail, or
at least from the D line where we used to
be back and say, hey, we got some.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
Dogs back there. We're ready to hunt.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
He's doing all this, but not only is he doing this,
you have that young guy because your secondary is just
as smart as your linebacker. Your secondary needs to know
what the D lineman so they can say, hey, allways,
gonna come out quick so we can catch this pick.
And when you got a young guy coming over there saying, hey,
d more, when you blitz coming outside in, are you
gonna take two steps up and then do that? Well, okay,
if you hold them just a little bit here, I'm

(32:11):
gonna do that. And that lets me know, like, oh snap,
he's been thinking and doing his stuff. So that's how
all that cohesis and is about to happen right now.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
All right, Well, like AD said, man, we're gonna have
to pay some bills. I mean, because I ain't saying
I ain't come out of pockets for this. So we're gonna,
I don't know, just like I got get on. So
we're gonna have to pay some bills.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
But when we get back, man, I want to talk
to you about the difference between because we've been in
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Speaker 4 (35:31):
It's the Players, Loundes, Welcome back to the players downs
at the SWVC studios at podcast studio out here in Frisco.
You got your boy Anthony dor Sat, we got Big
Trade Moore Man, Barry Church just hold it down out
there and Ox Starr from the training camp. All right, fellas,
so let's let's talk about this a little bit. It's
been talked about, It's been mentioned by several people. Coach

(35:53):
Coach Shotty said it before, and we just basically running
with what he said. It's gonna be a physical camp,
all right. You're seeing the injuries on the O line
and other places and everything else like that. So I've
been a part of physical camps. I've been a part
of camp set where I guess you could say I've
never had a light camp. Under Jeff Fisher, we hit
all the time, right And then a quick story going

(36:17):
into my free agent year, I was visiting teams and
everything else like that, and so of course you call around.
You want to try to find out how the team
is run from the inside. So one of the Dolphins
was a team that I was actually interested in. Me
and Dave want said, coach Wantsatt shout out to coach
Wantsat used to call me at the house at ten
o'clock at night and just want to know what you're thinking. Well,
how I got to my thought process was I made

(36:38):
some phone calls, called Zak Thomas, Hall of Famer, called
Sam Madison, a few other dudes I knew on the team,
just to try to find out, like what's going on
out there. And from the guys on the team, they
was like, hey, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
You don't want no part, don't want no part.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
There was letting you know from the inside like hey,
we do it, but we don't even want to do
it like this.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
It's a little bit too extreme, you know.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
And so guys, we know, you know like this, this
this thing is about adding longevity onto our careers, not
cutting them short, you know what I mean. So anytime
that you actually get a chance to save yourself a
little bit, and that's also called making a business decision,
to a certain extent, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
You got to be smart with it, you know. And
so how do you feel about that?

Speaker 8 (37:19):
Well?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
When I when I you know, going through my teamure
in the National Football League, like I said, I've been
a part of all I've been a part of, you know,
the way phillips out out of the way where you
know it was a player friendly camp. I'm talking about, Hey,
you know what, guys, just sweating a little bit too much.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Take the pads off. Just take the pads off.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
We're gonna walk through this next segment, which I loved personally,
and I'm sure everybody on that team loved his mindset
going into camp and high it was more player friendly
and longevity and all that.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
But unfortunately with.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Those camps I was part of, you know, the worst
teams I've been a part of as far as record wise,
and then I've been in camps we're kind of they're
in between the Jason Garrett camps where man, you had
stretches where it.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Was like, man, we got pads again. You know, we
got pads again. Now we just did it. We got
pads again.

Speaker 8 (38:03):
And what's the schedule? Looking life, you.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Already know what it is.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
And I said, I've been a part of that where
he was kind of in the middle, like you had
your hard stretches, but then you also had those stretches
where you know he took care of you. You know, let's
let's go all go to the movies after this, let's go,
you know, hang out at the beach for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And those teams, I would say had mixed results. You know,
they were something was.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Good, you know seasons and other seasons we were you know,
eight and eight and didn't make the playoffs. But then
when you talk about just pads hitting Florida Sun, just
man losing twenty.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Pounds, and that's the Jacksonville camps, all right.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
And those were under Doug Maroon where he didn't believe
in in no pads, Like if we're on a football field,
you got to have some type of pads on.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
But enough money to keep you cool.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, you know they did have that. But we were
out there.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
We was banging every day, and I'm like, man, we
need a break. I mean, I'm already in year eight
at this point and I'm like, man, we was going on.
But that's a team that I went furthest with. We
went to the AFC championship. We were durable out there.
So to me, you know, it's all results and it
comes down to the team as a whole. But if
you're asking me personally, man, I go with them way
Phillips camps each and every day.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
Of course you go.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
Like, you don't what they say, you don't know what
you got it till you got it. Like being a
rookie coming in from college and doing all those hard
training camps and stuff like that, you work harder when
it's easy.

Speaker 8 (39:22):
When you get there, you're like, hey, this ain't that.
It's bad. I walked.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
I remember going in. Tom Coughlan was my head coach,
So you know we're gonna go. We're gonna hit the
grind five minutes early. You better coffin. Time will get you.
And he believed in hitting. He believed like, how do
you get used, How do you get comfortable? And the
only way you get comfortable is being there in your pads.
So what having guys like that, Having guys like Pete Carroll,

(39:46):
who was definitely player friendly but also in those same
regards as being player friendly. He sat there and said, hey,
we're gonna take the pads off this period. But when
we put the pads on. It was a certain standard
that was already established by leader Bobby Wadninger was coming
down there saying, hey, they don't get nothing. You got
Richard Sherman over there at corner and saying, don't nobody
catch nothing. Then you got big Bam Bamd Cam Chancellor

(40:07):
back there saying, hey, it's lockdown and you're out there.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
The players put the own inticity on it to where
Pete had to say, hey, I got too many dogs.
Let me protect y'all from y'allself.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
And so getting back to it not being too long winded,
I've been in power the hard camps, long camp, easy camps,
player camps. I think it more so gets to what
type of team do you have. Do you have a
young team or do you have an older team?

Speaker 8 (40:29):
Because those older.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
Veteran teams, like you said, I could take away Phillis Campbell.
Guess what, because you've been in the league and you've
been able.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
To stitit there, Like if you're young, you can't.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
It's like giving a young guy when you first get
older and you get to college and you ain't got
no curfew and this and that, and like you give
that person that responsibility. Can they handle this responsibility? And
if you can handle that responsibility, definitely have that. But
with having a young team, guys that aren't proven, some
of y'all guys are gonna have to realize that it
comes down there and we got a bang on top
of that. I don't want the first time me being

(40:58):
improven vet. I don't want my first time of us
getting the chance to go to war is during the season,
because I don't know if you got my back and
we out here fighting in the fight. I know who
I'm scrapping with, so norm with who I'm scrapping with.
I believe you need to have the right amount of hitting,
but it also depends on your team. So right now,
with Shoddy and what he's doing, being around the lineage
of coaches and the plethora of knowledge he has, I

(41:20):
trust him in the way that he's gonna do that
because he's seen the old school era, he's seen the
player friendly era with Pete Carroll, and now that he's
doing it his way, let's let him ride out his way.
And I think with an unproven team like this, you're
gonna have to bang. So don't be scared.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
You got to You got to hit this way because
when when you look at it, there's too many guys
that are.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Gonna be first year starters.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, you you gotta understand it because like when you
go out there, you're gonna have guys in this system
at the second level, linebacker level that haven't haven't played
together at all. I mean, you got you got morris
Leyafou he's a second year player, but he's gonna be
tagged with you know, maybe Kenneth Murray, whos just came here,
you know, be a free agency You gotta we just
talked about the secondary jelling as you didn't how they

(41:58):
got to know each others, strengthen weaknesses, and of course
the offensive line. I mean we got to see where
they all fit. So how much on that one man?
You gotta understand it.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I will say this, and one thing that is not
talked about enough and and tackling is actually an art.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
It is and so and so going back to what you.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Said a little bit ago, as far as when you're
in those camps or you're in those practices and you're
not physical, and then of course when the game time comes,
it's physical. To the umpteenth in the hundred level and
so like, if you're actually not practicing tackling and getting
your fits, then it always shows up on game time.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, you're right, So you're.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Going to just like you guys said, you're going to
have to get some banging in there.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
So that leads me to my next question, which is
our last question before we break out this show. With
the physicality that we have that's going on in the dynamics,
we see injuries, we see opportunities that are coming up.
Who I know, we say every game, if it's changed,
let us know who is the guy that you're most
excited to see and hear about now that this opportunity

(42:55):
is going to be there with this physicality of camp.

Speaker 8 (42:57):
And have your guy in mind.

Speaker 7 (43:00):
So when we ask newly on Friday, so who's that
guy for you in training camp?

Speaker 8 (43:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Well for me right now, I'm gonna stick to the
run game. Because we've heard so much about every other
position from injuries to guys getting signed and everything else
like that, there has not been that one key running
back that I've heard about stand up, I mean. And
so for me growing up as a Cowboy fan, just
Cowboys tradition, there's always been some great running backs.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Here INMS Smith Mark Barber list goes old to those.

Speaker 8 (43:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
So for me, Cowboys has always been synonymous with a
good running game. So I'm interested to find out who's
going to be that main running back.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Who's going to be a building for me.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
You know, we talked about it a lot earlier, and
when you talk about Mozzie Smith and what he can
do to defend the run game, and hopefully he's able
to step that up. So I'm not gonna get too
much on Mazzie Smith, but my guy to look forward
to this preseason has got to be two guys, and
those are both.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Of the linebackers.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I'm talking about the young Morris lea Files second year
player linebackers. I believe he was drafted in the fifth
or sixth round LABS year. And a guy we got
in free agency Murray, who's you know, Kenneth Murray. He's
also been around the league. I believe this is year
eight or nine for him. Big long rangey guy, fast speed,
everything that Iberfus loves in his second unit.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But those guys are gonna have to be the quarterbacks
of the defense.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
We all understand when it comes to Eberflus's defense, you
got to have that second level guy that can make
sure he can communicate to the front level and the
back level and pretty much run his defense. So I
want to see what those two guys got throughout camp
in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
But it should be interesting to watch for me.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
My two guys are gonna be h the second round
pick help me.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Out as Araku as Araku, let me.

Speaker 8 (44:36):
Not mess that up.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
As Newly, what's to say if he was here, he
probably threw up his Q dog hooks, but it would
be as a Roku and Pace Turner, the guy that
he just said for me being a D lineman playing
in Eberflu from my tenure not only just here at
the Cowboys, but also at the coach I was with him,
everything is driven off of the D lineman. I know
people say, hey, Leonard Shaq Lennard got the credit when

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he was over there. You had Sean Lee getting the
credit over here, But it always starts with the front
rod many Nelly had the defensive line penetrating, and so yes,
we know who we have and Michael Parson and he's
going to be a top defensive lineman. Who's going to
be the other guy over there that's going to answer
the call. We got pass going on now. So now
that we get to see what's going on those two
d linemen, I need to know because you got to
have two booking defensive ends in this defense and the

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Ebra Flues defense. So man, I'm ready to watch them.
So we'll see you on Friday.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Mine.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You know what's not surprising what he chose the defensive line.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
All right, y'all, thank you for watching the players man,
we appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
We will see you guys Fridays.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
This is the Players Lines, brought to you by Aristocrat
Gaming at the SWBC studios here in Frisco, Texas. We
will see you guys on Friday. Knew we will have
all the reports from camps. They put the pads back
on Friday, so we get to see some popping out there.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
We'll see you guys on Friday.

Speaker 8 (45:51):
Being ahead of it starts with the trenches. Keep it.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
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