Players Lounge: You Let Him Do It

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge,
broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star.
Now your hosts Barry Church, Anthony dor set De Montree

(00:24):
More and new He scrugs.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It is a lost Monday right here from the start.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Frisco.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh wow, that's not Victor's.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Panther lost panther Loss Monday. You're in the players houe
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dad is Hall of Famer Tony Dorset highst Trophy.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
When we've got Trey Moore here.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
It's me.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
I'm buckling them though I'm trying. I'm just trying to
buckle up.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Hey man, no need to buckle up that a flight
is open.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, Rico, let everybody off the flight, now, Rico, let
everybody off that flight.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
You talking about somebody still nervous, Like you know how
you see somebody get be so bad where you're just
like ooh, like so I grew up one or twelve kids,
so you know when one person got a whoop up,
like everybody knew in the house to go sit down
and lay load for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
That's what Rico came in here did.

Speaker 7 (01:19):
Hey, bro like watching that yesterday. It was one of
those type of things, And I watched it this morning
again and I'm just I'm like he told y'all, he
talked noise to y'all, and then there was no resolve
in getting the job done.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Nothing nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
You didn't see no fight like you just you think
of that old guy that say, hey, son, I'm about
to go ahead. It's gonna hurt me, roll up the sleeve.
And you washed him. Whooped you like you said. I
watched it last night. I went back and watch it
this morning because I'm looking at these stats. I'm like, man,
he had a career high the week before and told y'all,
I'm coming to do this, had a career high and
rushing attempt thirty the most ever.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
So his team believed them.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
They said, Hey, we going to back you in this
buffet up coming thirty rushes. You talking about two hundred
and thirty nine. That's the all time high that he said, Hey,
I'm coming out here, having a record breaking day, record
targets and record receiving yard age.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Stilla said it from the top here. Cowboys lose to
the Carolina Panthers in Charlotte thirty to twenty seven. Their
former teammate rico'doddell, who rushed two hundred yards against Miami,
said after the game they know to buckle up. Then
during the week, when asked about it again, he said,
I will stand by what I said. They know buckle up.
Brian Schottenheimer, the Cowboys head coach, said they'll be buckled up.

(02:37):
I asked Kenny Clark, asked, ol so diggin do it?
Asked Sam Williams. These guys said they was ready to go.
Kenny said, hey, man, he hain't faced us yet. Well, yeah, yeah,
it wasn't good. So Rico Daddle ended up with two
hundred and thirty nine total yards. That is a Carolina
Panthers franchise record. Franchise been around since nineteen ninety three.
He had thirty carries for one hundred and eighty three yards.

(02:59):
And I was there at the game last night. I
was trying to understand why are they throwing it? What
are you doing that for? It was like a third
and four they threw it. Why why would you do that?
Rico averaged six.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Point one yards of carry, doing whatever you want to,
doing whatever you want as a team. Okay, go look
at the number. Okay what they did to them as
a team.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Carolina ran thirty eight times two hundred sixteen yards five
point seven yards and a carry. Etn had three carries
seventeen yards after five point seven. I mean, dude, they
were doing whatever they wanted. This was embarrassing. Yeah, clearly embarrassing,
very embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
But like the whole thing, you know, like I he
being in this organization playing with some of these dudes
that's still in the same team that he was here with.
He knew whose heart was pumping blood and who was
pumping kool aid and stood on it. And then at
the same time with the guys who were not part
of the organization last year, the free previous years when
he was here. You know, it doesn't matter at that point.

(03:56):
It's just about being a man and saying to yourself, like,
can't lets you talk to me like this or talk
about us like this? You know, and and the whole thing,
Like I always say, defense is a game, and it's
one dude with the ball. I remember just asking my
dad when I was a kid, because I got tired
of playing running back, like.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Man, how do you do this?

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Man?

Speaker 7 (04:15):
Like every place somebody hitting you like and that's when
I realized, like, I'd rather be part of the gang
than the dude just getting victimized out there.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Hand out the licks come on, man, you know.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
And so as a motivation factor and we always talk
about it and everything else like that, it was just
no show.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
And it's so deflating and so disappointing to see that.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
The first play nine yards right, So he came out
to so I thought, oh, maybe maybe maybe kept ongoing. Man,
It's just this was this was Muhammad Ali call and
shot with Brown.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
He was gonna knock you out in and then he
went and he did it. And afterwards, you know, guys
said props to Rico.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
He did it.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Props Oh yeah, yan ye, Kenny Clark, that props you got?

Speaker 6 (05:02):
You got you what you're gonna say, Oh man, you
fucked up? Yeah you don't shut out? It is time
to shut up. But it's like, what can you say,
like give me first of all, those those guys have
to speak that they're the big name guys.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
You're gonna get asked about it. I respect, I respect.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
My dogs at he said, I'm not the big name,
y'all not gonna ask me for the sound bike. He
had to he was on the Panthers, you know, all
this and that how to feel to come back here.
Like I said, I'm not gonna give nobody the props like.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
That, especially on air. But what can you say when
somebody did it to you, man? You let him do it, Like.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
I don't know, you talk about boxing, and they loved
them to sleep because the way that I've seen, I'm like, yeah,
nine yards, that's big, but you know three three, you know,
we're still keeping them crowd and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I'm like, oh, they can do it.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
And then all of a sudden, that levy door just
started open where it was like he was lowing you.
He couldn't take no more. It's just, oh, man, the
guard was down to where you've seen by I don't
know if they were defeated or tired, but by the
end of that first quarter you started seeing three yards
and three hard yards go to five or six yards
each carrier he was he was running at least four

(06:14):
yards before he got touched. And then it's just he
just got up and he just kept going.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It was like I said, he started off with a
nine yard carry and he just kept on getting chunk
yards and chunk yards, and so they weren't doing anything
and when stopped.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
It was straight vanilla. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
It wasn't like you had exotic runs or you know,
double reverses or you know.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Play action passed.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
It was went straight right here, like we're running straight
down in you. The most exotic thing that I seen
was a backguard pool trap where you're basically saying, hey,
five officers linement. Instead of us charging towards you, you
have your center that goes right here and you have
a guard. It's a quick trap on that tackle. They
did that maybe once or twice, but it was straight
what they say back in the day downhill football.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So what I did not understand come second half watching
the football game there, Charlotte, where's an adjustment?

Speaker 8 (07:08):
Me?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Hey man, we're getting killed. He's running. He's running on
you all day. You're not stopping him. Do you put
extra defensive lineman out there?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Do something? I mean, what do you do?

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (07:24):
Maybe maybe I was wrong, correct me if I'm wrong,
But I didn't see an adjustment. But what I did
start to notice in the second half because I was
trying to go back and like, look at some of
these numbers that finally started coming downhill. You had Donovan
Wilson going down there getting the TfL like you've seen.
I believe it's thirty five coming off the edge. Like
so I don't know if he was calling safety blitzers
and stuff like that, but even with still calling those blitzers,

(07:46):
you were still getting increased. So it was like you
didn't how many adjustments can we make? Like don't get
me wrong, I'm not taking up for evil flus and
this and that, but as a player, when you say, man,
I gotta go put some bricks.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
In my pocket.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
So this question, Lorie, we saw when they were bringing
an extra cat, was bringing an extra offensive line. Okay,
let's bring an extra offensive lineman. I mean, so can
you not now mask? What can you not do that
defensively and that scheme? Hey man, listen, we're running the
four man front. The four man front not work. Can
we go make it five? Can we do.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Something if you if you make it five?

Speaker 6 (08:20):
Now you're telling those dbs that's been getting bombed over
backdack to get you've seen what happened.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
What was the Panthers first touchdown that young bull over there.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
So so I'm looking at a drive on a ten
play drive, Rico touched the ball ten times, I mean
six of the ten, oh yeah, and then the six minutes,
so you think about this. I mean, I can't tell
you the last time I watched this in person. They
got the ball with six so seven to go on
offense and they never.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Gave it back.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Listen, man, and you seen that.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
But yeah, no, no, no, no, to end the game.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
I've seen it very few times, and it's like, once
you start getting six minutes is crazy.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Minutes crazy.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
I've seen some three some four minutes where you like, yo,
this felt like forever in the day. But to go
six minutes, like they're telling you, they just let them dry,
ain't no fluff nothing, and we're looking.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
At I'm looking at it here.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
Bryce Young only had with one hundred and ninety nine
yards passing first time they gave up less than two, right, yep? Okay,
But did they actually give up less than two or
was it just no reason? It wasn't even that. That's
what That's what I'm saying. If I'm Rico one, thank
you Panthers. My organization believed in me. They brought me
here through free agency. But only not only that, they

(09:32):
made sure I was right on buckling up, like, hey,
you are chipping away. We know some people pulled the
dogs off you. It was a tight game, but they said.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Hey, if we gonna win this game, we're gonna win
it on your back, Rico, And he went out there
and did.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
But this is the strategy for anybody facing the Cowboys,
I mean, Washington coming here to go run above the Jets.
Last week, you know, the Cowboys dominated one Hall still
went off.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
They can't stop you from running the ball.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
They can't stop you from running or passing.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
About to say this is.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
True, but if the run portion of it of what
they did mean thirty eight rush attempts to twenty five
pass attempts. And you know, I'm gonna tell you right now,
that was twenty five too many. I was about it
was at fifteen too many. I mean literally, there were
time talking why are you throwing? Why are you throwing?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's third and for what?

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Why?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
The first dude, they were not in third down very
much either at all.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
They were not at third down very often every time
you looked, because they were gashing them.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Man, they were gashing me. Look right here the stat.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Man or third down. Uh, they had eight third downs
in the game. They don't had eight, No, yeah, eight,
they had eight third downs. And and they they just
kept on kept on, kept on going, and it was
it was more this this defense is as bad as
it was when Mike Nolan was a defensive coordinator for
one year, when Mike McCarthy was head coach, and they

(10:52):
got him out of here quickly. Brian Schottenheimer went to
the podium the head coach and said he back to
eber Flues, I get it, that's what you're supposed to do.
But you talk to guys in the room without a
camera around, and you're hearing people say, nah, man, this
isn't working, and you keep hearing it, well, we need
to fix this and fix that. Well, nothing's getting fixed.

(11:14):
We just need to make corrections. Well, you know, corrections
haven't been made. And some of the guys in the
room or some of these same guys who are out
here competing and playing with the other coaches who've been here.
So somewhere along the way, I got to start to
ask the question, when do we look at the defensive
coordinator to say what do you even make some change on?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Let me ask you this question.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
Okay, you're always talking about you've been on multiple teams.
How many schemes have you had? I don't even answer that.
Everywhere that you went did you have to figure out
how to play? Did you figure out how to play?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
If you want to be if you want to be
in a you do? You do all right?

Speaker 7 (11:52):
And so I don't care if they don't believe in
the system, play it.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Prove it wrong or they proven it wrong every week.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
No, they if they ain't buying in, they ain't. They
ain't committed to it.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
You're proven it wrong that way. That's I'm gonna tell you.
Like this, it's only a few of y'all gonna be here.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean, for all that I was told during the
week in the locker room about adjustments, fixing this sk
you just went out here and it got handed to
This is the Panthers.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Dudes are not winning there one on one back.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
This is the Panthers. Panthers man, And that's what it
looked like.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
One on one battle.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
People went out there and said, Hey, I'm gonna be
better than you one on one. But not only that,
I'm gonna make sure that I'll play the person that's
over there, the other guy that's doing over there, Like
you got Tommy Tremble out here, like, hey, that was
my dog. He was there when I played there the Panthers,
So I'm like, okay, Tommy t out there hurting people.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
You have people like they were having fun.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
Like, don't get me wrong, y'all seen the way that
George Picking was out there, balling, jumping over people and
just like, oh, let me do this and do that,
like it was it was poetry in motion. Well, the
way he was playing was the way that that whole team.
You have Rico over here trying to hurdle people in
and walking out of here, just stiff arming people.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
You had Tommy Trumble doing that.

Speaker 6 (13:06):
You had the old lineman like really getting our d linemen,
turning them sideways.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Gave them coff Rico recovery.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Everybody bucked up to yeah, yeah, let me get a
piece hold on.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I mean, man, it was. It was embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And and on the flip side of this thing, and
we'll dive into in the next break, it's the offensive
line for the Cowboys. Oh boy, oh boy, what a
difference week makes. Uh yeah, that was that was not cutting.
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Speaker 5 (16:38):
It was.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
It was a snowball effect where you make one thing,
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Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'll be ready. Yes, unlike the Cowboys what they say.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
They've been telling us. That's why I hear in the
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Speaker 5 (16:47):
Unlike the Cowboys I can make adjustments.

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Speaker 3 (16:58):
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Speaker 5 (17:08):
There, that's that's gonna be nice. A Christmas Day game.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You're going, No, I got one more road game.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
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Speaker 5 (17:21):
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Speaker 3 (17:24):
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Speaker 5 (17:25):
Which one?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Can I guess?

Speaker 5 (17:28):
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Speaker 5 (17:39):
Here, Okay, okay, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
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Speaker 5 (17:51):
What is that game?

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Speaker 3 (17:52):
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Speaker 6 (18:01):
Let's talk about these Commanders, man, I might well, you know,
I am a Raider's alumni.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
We can call it a.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
D Let's go ahead and slide over there. They always
take care of us already.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Know what I'm looking at calendar.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
I didn't use to use my free ticket yet for
the season.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
I love that though. They do take care. But anyways,
the Commanders, they make it. They're making me nervous. Man
running backs, they got over there.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well, every every teacher makes you nervous if you know. No,
I mean, look, man, this is I'm not no offense
to Rick Odwell.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Great game, great two weeks.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
We're talking about Jim Brown or said Smith, Peyton, ricoc
Dow A dude, they just said, you know, dude, they practice.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
It's not like they ain't.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Seen it exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
You guys have hit this dude.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
You practice against the sky.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
I really kept cutting this guy.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
No, he practiced against them, and.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And sure enough, man here he just beats you. Told
you he was coming, told you to buckle up, then
he beat you down. So yes, who however else they
faced him, It's gonna be real simple. Run the football
all day long against these guys.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
If I'm Washington running back, I'm telling you right now, Oh, coach,
they ain't even seen me yet. They ain't seen me
hit my potential like you you know, as players, like
how many times we sat there and said, oh, that
person was able to do that? Like what did you
wa say when before the week coming up he was like, Oh,
I'm trying to get back for Dallas capoy, right.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Boy, Betty wants he won't missed the next Cowboy game
even come around here exactly. So, by the way, stab
Tray Moore. For an NFL players, this is Anthony georget
for me, for player I knew he scrugs.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Not a for an NFL player.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, this is the players lounge, brought to you by
Aristocrat Gaming. So while the Cowboys defensive line was terrible,
allowing two hundred and sixteen yards of rushing and they
lost to the Panthers in one hundred and eighty three
of that to their former teammate Rico Dallalog thirty carries,
you have for six point one yards. The flip side
of it, the Cowboys could not run the football to
save their lives. I'm sitting there watching the Panthers d

(19:55):
line push them back. It was not good a couple
times and he starts to do get walked back one
point six yards. An average tote for the Cowboys are
nineteen carries. Yes, it was terrible, Okay, it was terrible.
Javonte Williams comes home. It's a North Carolina guy. Thirteen carries,
twenty nine yards two point two yard average. No touchdowns,

(20:18):
no touchdown, no none. I mean, this was a bad effort.
And there were times where Dak Prescott didn't have enough
time to get where he needed to because the pressure
was there. So while we praised the offensive line for
doing what they did the week before, I wasn't here Friday,
so I don't know who you guys had picked as
the yetty cool customers. But the offensive line was not good.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
None at all.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And where eighty you're at the point time now your
defense is so bad, your offensive line has to be
good because the offense basically has to score darn near
every time.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
Yeah, And I mean we knew that going into it,
that the offenses basically had to put up with thirty
points a game at this point from the beginning of
the season. And you know, the whole thing with the
offensive line was no matter who they plugged in, they
have been playing well, well, I mean, it wouldn't matter
if it was the starter's you know. And I say
that to say this, like, at some point throughout the season,

(21:11):
everybody's gonna have their ebbs and flows. Unfortunately, it caught
up with the offensive line this week, you know, and
going up against what we considered to be a lesser
opponent on top of that as well. So that being said,
you know, there's really not a whole lot of excuses
to give outside the simple fact that they just got beat.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
And when we talk about getting.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
Beat, we mean that they got beat on every level
offense side, defensive side, and everything else like that.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
How many sacks did they the Panthers have this week?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Zero that was not sacked.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
But look, there was only one sack in the whole game. Yeah,
there was only one sack of one turnover the whole game.
And this is this was a winnable foot despite the
terrible defensive performance and the bad offensive line play. It
was a winnable football game. But it came down to
two things to me. In the fourth quarter. One, when
the Cowboys had to they got to the eight, couldn't

(22:06):
punch it in and had to kick the field goal.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
So now it's twenty.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Seven up, and then Carolina gets the ball with six
oh seven and go and they never give it back.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Man, they played bully football.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
What what was the time mark where the fumble snap
happened with uh with Deck and them and he recovered it.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
That was that was on that final drive when they
saying they ended up getting it down in the eight.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
But but then that was a missopportunity.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Like there was a lot of mis opportunity. I mean,
we saw we saw a penalty on Tyler Smith inside
the red zone and that we're.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Just looking at it.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
But this, this is this is what losing teams do.
You guys know that losing teams find ways to look lose.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
And that's what I was gonna get to. Yes, it
was a bad performance by the old line, but how
long were we expecting them to play lights out like
we've been talking about, like you said, the plug in
players and doing that, Like this was the week that
it finally just came in fruition where you just started
to see people be exposed. But the Carolina defense, I

(23:08):
felt like Rico galvanized them too, like hey, we're putting
on this on ourselves to like, hey, we just got
to make sure it's a steale. May don't nothing get
right here, and then the walls is gonna play. But
but you face better defenses, You face way better defense
to play way better.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
But between Green Bay the Jets, d those defenses are
ranked higher and better these guys is and.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
This is just.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It was just hand to hand combat and they got
beat down.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
And one one thing about it.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
You know when you're plugging dudes in a lot of
times and guys don't have a chance to really scout
them per se that week. Oh this dude hasn't played.
He got injured. So now we're plugging this dude and
they haven't had a chance. Well, now everybody had a
chance to look at all the offensive linemen to the
tape is there. The tape is out there, you know
what I mean. So now it's a totally different ball game.
Ain't nobody stepping out there on you know, like we

(23:57):
haven't seen you. Like now people are watching this tape
and like ric o' dados said, hey, strapping up, buckle up, whatever,
and they breaking dudes down before they get here. But
I'm gonna keep saying this, like and you you both
hit the nail on the head. He inspired them dudes,
all right, He inspired them boys to play play harder
than they had And and I keep leaning on a

(24:17):
simple fact that he was in this building for so
long and has intel on these players. And no, that's
what I like. I have no place else to go
with it. Man, he knows they knew. That's what I
was about to say.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
They knew him, and he was here, and he broke
their will.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's that's exactly what it is. You broke they will.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
And as a football player, you've been there ab where
it's like it don't matter how good were doing and
this and that, and we're playing lights out when we
know that we can't stop a nosebleed. On the other side,
whether there's been which I've seen it, I've been on
defenses where we couldn't stop a those bleed. And I've
also been on really good defenses where we knew our
offense won't go score. And it's just like I'm tired.
Man Dak is out here doing everything. He's flung, always

(25:00):
out here doing everything. Ferguson El Boogie gotta taste stuff.
It's like eventually the levee can only it's only so
many past jobs you could do before the water just
starts seeing, you know, like and they let it go
like there was no fight at the end of the game.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
I didn't see people getting up aggressive.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Running the ball on the defense is the most demoralizing
thing that can be done to a defense repeatedly, because
that's just literally getting your butt whooped. Okay, there's, like
you said, just nothing you could do about it. And
so at that physical way of basically like punkin dudes
more so than anything, however you want to look at it,

(25:37):
that's what it boils down to. And I do know
what you're talking about because I played in the game
where Corey Dillon set the rookie restian record against us,
all right, and I mean it was just like they
was in what twelve personnel the whole game, basically just
running down your throat and it was nothing. And to
be a part of that defense and then looking into

(25:57):
people's eyes in the huddle and like just see dudes like.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
So let me let me go, just just go through
the whole. This is what happened with six oh seven ago. Okay,
So the Cowboys went three and out, all right, So
the Cowboys went three. I got the ball with tremendous
field position. Remember they're on forty six, started going backwards. Yeah, okay,
when from first and ten to second and fifteen and
third and twenty two, it had to pun on fourth
and eighteen, So terrible, terrible drive right there. So six

(26:26):
seven the Panthers to get the ball back. At their
fourteen first play, Rico daddle three yards, second and seven
incomplete pass from Bryce Young, third and seven incomplete pass
from Bryce Young.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Penalty eatam pass interference.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Kept bringing them back to life eight.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
So now it was first and ten the Carolina twenty nine.
Rico daddle seven yards second and three. They go up
the short pass up the middle of the horn for
two yards, third and one. Uh tremble first down sixteen yards,
then first and ten at the forty six four minutes
to go, Rico daddle up the middle four yards second

(27:07):
and six to forty two. Rico daddle left guard two yards,
third and four. Bryce Young incomplete to Ted McMillan. Fourth
and four. Bryce Young hits renfro seven yards first down.
Now we eat the two minute one first and ten
Dallas thirty three. Rico daddle right in nine yards second

(27:27):
and one from the twenty four, eighteen and up in
the middle for one yard first down, first and ten,
eighteen and up in the middle eleven yards first and ten,
Bryce Young Nils, then Bryce Young Niels again, roll out
there for Sis Fitzgerald.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Kick kick it, game over.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
That's it man, with no triggeration in the round.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's pretty simple, right, we go run the ball, make
a couple of passes, Slamt passes on the.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Third and four.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I mean, I'm a fourth Slamt pass out there at
the Renfro the former Clemtson Tiger, doesn't we.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Had and it's and it's it's, it's it's pathetic.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Honestly, just when you think about this is because this
was a winnable game.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
So now you start to look.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
At this season, you're two three and one ad.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
You gotta get ten wins for church.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
Church.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Ain't getting no churches. Book my reservation downtown to beat.
So the Philly game, you're right there, ball got the
opportunity with the football to go down the field, ceedee
lamb dropping passes left and right. Lose that game, packer game. Okay,
you ain't over time, can't score, can't get can't score

(28:39):
that go around. It can't can't get it done. That's
a lost game right there. You had to go to
overtime because the Giants beat up the Jets, and then
you got this game right here, winnable game. You can't
get it done, you cannot close the show. This is
how bad teams get beat man. This is how bad
teams end up with top ten draft picks because this
is not good guys.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
It is.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
But even with that being said, it's that close, Like
all these games have been winnable.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
It's the league.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
The league is a lot of closers. But the good
teams find ways to win. The bad teams find ways
to lose.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
And right now, every so the Eagles ain't looking like
the Eagles, Okay, and and and unfortunately, just like he said,
good teams find ways to win, they don't find ways
to lose.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
And whatever is going on here? Like so my thing
is this all?

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Right?

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Is it on the defense? Is it on is it
on the coordinator?

Speaker 7 (29:38):
And and and and and like at what place and
at what time is there going to be a change made?
Not saying to fire anybody or anything, but if it's
not going to be that schematically, what's going to happen
because at this point right now, like what's going to
stop anybody from coming in here, first of all, running

(29:58):
the ball all games and then just taking explosive plays
whenever they want to. There is nothing about this defense
right now that is saying that even if Dak continues
to put up thirty one points a game or whatever
he has to do the game, that this can take
you into a playoff situation or it can be sustainable anymore.

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Speaker 5 (33:02):
Thank you boy, Yes, got it, got it. I made
adjustments and like the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Said, like you said at the AT and T Stadium
right there, the gotta slow it down, get it done.
Young Aggy get it done. Remember when your team used
to play at a T and T stadium. Stop playing
the game. Then it's Arkansas right now. They don't want
to want that. J Tier was coming down here getting
pulling the rico down. What you talking about?

Speaker 6 (33:28):
We all hey, hey, speaking of that, you know we
did still undefeated.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Five We finally we finally number four?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Would you guys money can pay for Would you.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
Beat Florida Gators that just beat Texas DJ DJ Langley? Yeah,
we have some friar gate over there. Come down there
to the to the ball. Everybody know they're firing their coach, right.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
That's why.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, you're right. We threw his retirement party. Hey what
they say we sponsored that. All you could do is
knock down the one that they line up. I'm looking
forward to this L s U game. That's where it's
gonna be at night time in the Death Valley. Yeah yeah,
good good luck to you down there. Death Valley still

(34:12):
got Texas. I'm not I'm not worried about that.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Okay, Oklahoma said that too.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
That's fine. Really, that's true. They left with the L.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
But come on, look, you know your boys are good for.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
We definitely are We definitely are and we definitely are,
so that's why.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
But good for dropping one. You're like really be so
you know, you know AGGI tradition.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Now I hope it is.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
And that's why I said, I think we're gonna learn
from because last year that one that we dropped with
South Carolina and we got them on the schedule, so
it's like we're gonna get.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Our get back with them. Just don't drop the U.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
T Anthony Door said, congrats, congrats on your Panthers.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Game against Florida State.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
True freshman quarterback, true freshman quarterback. Nice two wins in
a row, two weeks in a row. He's playing, he's
playing really well.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
I think you think it's gonna be that guy than
like just the freshman luck.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
Nah.

Speaker 7 (35:02):
I really think that from watching this dude and seeing
some of the stuff that he's doing.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
He's he's a.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
Young quarterback, but polish wise as far as technique, footwork,
learning how to get his shoulders squared up and everything
else like that. He's doing all the small things in
the game to make big things happen.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, good on him. By the way, we got a
firing in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Brian Callahan has been let go fired by Tennessee off
the way one and four start. He was four and
nineteen in two years, wow, not even the full two years.
There's two things that come to my mind. You guys,
tell me what you think. Either one, this is a
bad organization, okay, because if you're fired a guy less

(35:48):
than two years in a tenure, what are you doing hiring? Oh,
by the way, the guy that did fire to give
him a job named Mike Vrabel, doing good job, doing
real good. So either that or the young man wasn't
ready to be a head coach and shouldn't have had
the job. And you know Dad's former longtime coach, Bill

(36:09):
who was here, fantastic offensive, blind coach.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
But I when he got the job, I did wonder
what did Brian Callahan.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Do that says he should be a head coach?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I did wonder about that.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Besides the last thing.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
I mean, I don't know, I don't know what he
I don't know what he's done, but he's seen something
made something made them believe. I will say, from my opinion,
just looking at being around the league and stuff like that,
I just think the organization you want to be careful
with talking about these things but it's certain organizations that

(36:42):
don't do right by either their coaches or their players.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
And developing things.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
And for whatever reason, like you said, look at what
he's doing right now. Like in the organization that everybody
said was gonna die after Bill, he's up there, Drake
Mays playing out of his mind.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
He built the foundation there.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
That was the same guy that you had over there
in the building, and now he's going to have his success.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
You get this guy out of here.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
It's like I'm asking, are y'all getting rid of your
weapons to hear or are you not believing in him?
Like when you hire somebody, you got to really let
them do their job. And so right now, I just
don't think they're doing it. They've shown it with the coaches,
they've shown it with the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Let's talk to the man who play for the Titans.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
So I think this is a multitude of things, to
be honest with you, I think that first and foremost
that the Titans are still run like an expansion team
to it to a certain extent, when you had that
team move from Houston to Tennessee, a lot of the
people who are actually part of the organization in Houston
didn't want to make that move. So what you have
is you have a bunch of people who have never

(37:40):
even been working in the NFL before, and people working
for the cheap that's actually ready to make this move.
So you know, like I know, leaving one organization like
plan for the Cowboys, okay, and you have all these
bells and whistles to go into a place where it's
basically run like the rag and muffins of the league

(38:01):
more so than anything, if you want to say, okay,
and that being so, and then with their actually being so,
think about it like this.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
The Titans are the Oilers.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
They were the Oilers, okay, turning that team into the Titans,
they left all that Oiler tradition behind, regardless if it
was flourishing and winning or whatever it was. So you
have a team that basically doesn't have any history, all right,
And with that being said, like just watching it and understanding, yeah,
the team is the organization, and as well, they don't

(38:35):
do right by a lot of their former players also,
So I just think that, you know, with that being said, unfortunately,
there's gonna have to be a sweep in there, and
you're gonna have to get some people who actually have
been a part of a successful franchise to come in
there and help that franchise be successful.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
And then you go back to this, so you fired
the head coach, go back. You brought in Ryan cart On,
and then you fired Ran Carthon and now you're another gentleman.
So you're just going through so from general managers and
head coaches, it's it's it's a lot of inconsistency here
and so uh as part of why where they're at.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
It Ran I Ran when he was in cent Frand
and the sea like him come from like John Lynch
and that winning an organization. I think they give Ran
enough time just like.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
No, they didn't because the GM that was there previous
to him was a dude that actually caused a lot
of issues.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
And that was the dude that trade a J. Brown
and got him about.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Sullivan came from the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
But so that whole thing there too. Now apparently Ran
and and and Vrabel didn't get along.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So at some point in time, just what are you
what kind of organisms?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You are you running in an organization where the general
manager is hiring the coaches and he's in charge of
you gonna have a cut coach and giving the coaches
kind of kind of juice, and he's what who do.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
You want to be? How do you want the structure
to work? And that that that matters?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And what structure you have is everybody getting on the
same page and soil in Tennessee. I do wondering time
is everybody on the same page there? Uh Ad you
asked the question right before the break, is that the carpenter?
Is that the carpenter's tools talking about Matt Eberflusten. What's
going on here? What potentially has to happen. This is
a Cowboys third straight defensive coordinator, three years, three different coordinators,
and the coordinators they're running four threes, but they're not

(40:16):
running the same four to three. And one of the
issues you have as a players right now don't believe
in what's going on. And it reminds me when Mike
Nolan was here the first year under Mike McCarthy, those
guys didn't buy in. They were terrible, one of the
most historically bad defenses in Cowboys history. And this thing
is heading out in the same way right now.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
I don't see And for me, if you've been on
the team that's run a Gang of difference. If you've
been part of organizations that have run a bunch of
different schemes and something that's been more successful for you,
then I can understand like you're saying, oh, I'm not
buying into this or I've seen more, But at the
same time, I don't know the situation here, and I
understand that, like, Okay, what you just said, three different

(40:58):
coordinators in three years, that's tough. That would be tough
with any group of guys, you know what I mean.
So it doesn't matter if they're young, if they're old,
whatever the case may be. And dealing with that. I'm
sure there's some miscommunication with terminology from the past few years,
but it goes back to what we talk about, man,
be a football player.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Be a football player at.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
The end of the day, all right, And so that
means even if you're not buying into that situation or
buying into that scheme, you still got to go out
and ball and you can make plays. Dudes can make plays.
I'm not feeling like so their handcuffed like that, man.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Zone, what do you want?

Speaker 7 (41:41):
Get a new dude up in here, Get some more
guys up in here. I mean, you're not winning your
one on ones?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
So what are the repercussions? What are the consequences for
not doing it? Nothing around here?

Speaker 6 (41:54):
And that's what I was going to get to. Well,
I want to know what are the what ramification? What
are the repercussions that are these players are being met with?
Because we all know this is the Dallas Cowboys organization.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Nobody not that I don't know. It ain't even about
getting cut.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
I'm gonna just say for this, the fact that we're
sitting here talking about guys don't believe in this, and
that they control what gets out of this building, and
they control what gets in here and when they figure
out wherever it came from this and that like there
is some type of ramification there's in house. Fine, we're
talking about five ten thousand dollars like you're talking out
like you gotta it. You everybody got a voice over here,

(42:33):
but don't have the credit or the resume to back
it up. Like people are talking about schematically? Is this schematically?
Is that like you gotta play? And some of these guys,
majority of the guys on the team haven't even been
in the league long enough to say I played in
this scheme or this worked better for me. We're talking
about young guys that just came from college or guys
that are been backup guys or special teamers their whole career,

(42:55):
saying you don't trust this or you can buy in.
You had three different coordinators in three years. You've had
multiple guys. Yes, it's four to three and all three different.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And all three guys like Zimmer last year. One of
my big issues when they hired Mike Zimmers, like you
brought in a dude who wins with big people up
front and Kevin Williams coming around this corner for here.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
And then they brought the one boy out the couch.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Telling the cat and they brought him out there. He
give you ten plays and then need gas, I mean
just and then so Zim later on made different changes
along the way, but he said after the year, you know,
I should have I should have tried to put in
more of what I wanted up front instead of trying
to know, what did you guys do last year? And
how do we make this a little bit of work
here and there? It's they've done it again third time,

(43:41):
kind of like the third time something's been watered down,
and clearly it's just not working. The solution isn't working.
And whatever Eberflus needs to do to make something changes
here that hasn't happened.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
So there's one thing that's here is the locker room.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
And you know that.

Speaker 7 (43:55):
I know dudes being uncomfortable and at some point in time,
and I'm not I'm not vindic. I'm not saying anybody
needs to be cut because I'm pro player. But you
want to shock something, you want to get people to
stand up and be accountable.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Trade the market.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Huh.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
That's that's that's something totally different.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
We're talking about right now.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
What they sat Mazzie down for some games and what
else you want to I mean, but the activate.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
The Digs thing was one of those wake up calls
where it was like, oh.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
You need to go.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
We don't care, we're not paying your money, not paying
your money, benching you in the middle of the game.
That's one of those. That's that's what he's saying with
that shock value. Now it's like, okay, you benched the
starter that get paid the bucks in the middle of
the game.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
Now it's like, yo, you got to cut somebody or
you gotta I gotta let people.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
But I'm not gonna sit it on you when we
go off to the table. Years on there, we're out
of time. So, as Anthony Dors said, it's Montrey warn
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