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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Cowboys.
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This He's Talking Cowboys training live from.
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Dallas Cowboys training camp in.
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Six past second past TISI touchdown and now your hosts
Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Welcome to Talking Cowboys. We are live from training camp
in Oxnard, California. I am here with Patrick Noci Walker,
I'm here with Tommy rsh and we have a very
special guest one mister fourth and long Jesse Holly of
Dallas Cowboys, of Hanging with the Boys, Fain. Thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, the famous Man. Thank
you so much for joining us. Famous Man in that
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you just attended the Netflix premiere of One America's team,
The Gambler. This cow was last night in Los Angeles, California.
How was his experience? And also, welcome to the show Man.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Thank you for having me. I appreciate you guys having
me on it. You know, it's always a pleasure to
be around be around greatness, So I appreciate that I'm able.
I'm able to sit here with you. I want you
find gentlemen, This is greatness. Absolutely, man, absolutely greatness.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Hangs together like about this though, it's no I no
c oh okay, yeah, Josh No, Jay worked that out.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
It's this is soft day.
Speaker 8 (01:45):
Yeah. Man.
Speaker 9 (01:45):
I went to the premiere last night and got suit
it up. I did. I did. I brought out the
I brought out.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
The good sneakers with your suit.
Speaker 8 (01:53):
Huh.
Speaker 9 (01:53):
No sneakers ever with the suit. I like it.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
A gentleman, A gentleman.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
What I think I saw you reeling?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Yeah? Never, I'm mother, I'm mother. I'm I'm of the age.
We wear hard bottles with suits.
Speaker 8 (02:08):
Balance both depends on the move.
Speaker 9 (02:11):
When I go.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
And I got on Tommy about this. I got I
got on Young Tommy about this. I got on Young
Tommy about this because Tommy decided to wear sneakers night
one of the NFL Draft. No, I'm not going.
Speaker 9 (02:25):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
No, I'm not going to a premiere on the red
slash blue carpet of this caliber in l A and
put on one of my good tailor suits. What a
pair of sneakers? No way, But if it matches the suit.
Speaker 9 (02:42):
My shoes matched my suit.
Speaker 10 (02:44):
That's what I'm saying. If your shoes matched the suit.
Speaker 11 (02:46):
No.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Stacey's or no, this was this was a pair of
Mark Jacobs. This is this was a pair of this
was a pair of Mark Jacobs. There's a pair of
Mark jacob what's the phill Mark.
Speaker 8 (03:03):
Wing tips?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
So you know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
had on the Olive Green custom.
Speaker 9 (03:09):
You know there's some videos.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yea yeah, a p images, But man, what was a
fragrance of choice?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
The fraguents of choice last night? Was?
Speaker 9 (03:23):
Was?
Speaker 6 (03:23):
What was the frequent It was? Because you know, I
have these little travel things. You should, guys, you should
get this. I know that everybody had, like the big
Colone bottles. You can't travel them, but if you go,
they have these small little ones where you pump it.
You pumped the Colonne into it. And I think last
night was was yourself.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah home, we're just talking about that because yeah, Josh
got the bottle of that.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Yeah you had the black top the black bottles. Oh yeah,
we were good. Get started worry about yeah, all get along.
The thing that I came away with, like literally was
(04:07):
my exact words to John Manchuda and Clarence Hill was damn,
he's done it again. And if you all remember, like
Snoop Dogg had something where he was like, this don't
miss And that's what I took away from that last
night and I and I said this on an earlier show.
(04:28):
If you know me, I am not a carrier of water.
I am not a company man. I say what I want,
how I want, when I want, and I did with
the consequences as they comet. It was incredible. This was incredible. Well,
like I'm telling you, this was the cinematography of this.
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We got a chance to watch a ten minutes of
the episode one and then the full episode three last night.
Speaker 9 (04:56):
And when I tell.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
You the way that they construins this, and because this
episode three takes place in the nineteen ninety two NFC
Championship game against the forty nine ers, right now, if
you're a Cowboy fan, you know, you know, you know.
But it was something about the way that they that
you had features from Bill Romanowski, Steve Young, Jerry Rice,
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Charles Haley, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Eddie Lobardo.
Speaker 9 (05:26):
I mean, you had.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Heavyweight, and so you're having this two sided perspective of
how this game is being broken down. You're hearing what
Steve Young has to say, You hear what Michael Irvin
has to say. You're hearing, you know, the mix between
Charles Haley being a Niner being a Cowboy. You're hearing
Emmitt Smith, You're hearing Bill Romanowski, You're hearing Jerry Rice
and how much this rivalry kind of meant. And in
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the nineties where the team of that era, you know,
coming out of the eighties into the nineties and the
Cowboys with this upstart team. And then while you're in
all of this and you're in this battle, right, it
cuts away and it goes back to the nineteen sixties
where Jerry were in Arkansas, right as a football player
and then as a then as as as you know,
(06:10):
it tells he tells a story about, you know, borrowing
eight hundred thousand dollars to to to for a well
and and that well being worth a hundred million dollars.
And then it tells stories about, you know, he almost
got into bed with not figuratively but in the business
with a hafa, right, and how his dad talked him
off that, and how he was a shoe salesman and
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on pizza shops and sold mobile homes and all that
kind of stuff, and how him and Jimmy Johnson, and
then it.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
It cuts back right right, and it.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Goes back into talking about you know, his his time
on his you know, with his dad and on the
ranch and stuff like that. The way that this was
done absolutely and again I knew the outcome of the game.
I knew the I knew. It's still like, I like,
I'm sitting and I don't know if this was the
movie theater feel, but I.
Speaker 9 (06:59):
Was on the edge of my I was on the
edge of my.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Cinema.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Yes, yes, to know the results, to know the people
that happened, to the intimate league. And still I'm like, wait,
they break the huddle and Michael takes Alvin Harper's route,
and Harper takes Michael's route, and they hear Troy Aikman
break it down right like he talks about the play
that they ran and how they broke the huddle and
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how Michael said it and all that kind of stuff
and how Troy like, I'm at the line of Scrimmens
and I'm looking and he's like he's looking across and
look at the defense and he's like this ain't going
to Michael. Like he's looking around, He's like this this
bang ain'ts gonna be open, right, And he's like, I know,
I want to go to Michael, and he says, do
I trust Alvin Harper in this moment? This is from
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the mouth of Troy Aikman. He said, do I trust
Alvin Harper in this moment? But he's like, Michael ain't
open and he throws it to Alvin. And let me
also say this, this is I ain't the only one
that got ran down in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Want to put.
Speaker 8 (08:04):
That harp like, put that okay, I just want to
put that. Shut it down. I just want to shut
it down. I ain't only ain't the only one.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
They got, you know, Paul sucked up and think for
both the socks. It's a hot day. I'm just saying,
shut out to Alvin.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Harper, what a hell of a play, dirty harp.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
I ain't the only one I felt, I said. I said,
I felt vindicated, Like I said, wait a.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Second, the old people.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
I'm just saying it was. It was phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I mean, if you know anything about Jerry Jones and
you know how to throw a party in the Netflix people,
how they did that last night, Chef Kiss.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Is there another team in the NFL that could do
this to this level, to this level of cinema and
have this much drama and intrigue, you know, and maybe
the I'm biased and I'm.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Saying sports period, sports period, sports period.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
No in the NFL, no.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Not of my not in my opinion, I think with
the with the right editors and producers, a team like
Green Bay could probably pull that.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
I mean.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Football historian.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I those are kind of split up because the man
in the Arena, Tom Brady's documentary that was really well
produced series and that kind of covered the same topics.
I don't think that as good as that documentary was,
I don't know that there's gonna be that same level of,
like like I said, intrigue and salacious information going on
behind the scenes, like it is just a drama filled.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
Which means we have to leave the NFL.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So I go Yankees, Lakers, Lakers, I mean last day
in Chicago Bulls.
Speaker 9 (09:52):
And let me also let me also what we're doing,
what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Let me also say this because I know I've seen
already on social media and it's it's comic culture.
Speaker 8 (10:03):
Me.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
It doesn't really make me any difference, but I want
people to understand that what happened last night. Yes, the
Jones family attended, Yes, the Jones family was a part
of it. This wasn't a Jerry Jones production. Okay, this
was a Netflix event. This isn't So don't don't people
(10:24):
come at you like, I don't care. He's focused on this. No, no,
it's not corporate focus. This is this. This was hence
why it was done here in California because Netflix and
I was talking to the people that were involved in
all of this last night and it was like, nah,
this is a Netflix thing.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
They want. Netflix wants to make sure that this is
getting seen.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
It's football fans are gonna watch it, right, like football
people will watch this. But Netflix is not in the
business of football fans. Netflix is in the business of people,
human being human beings. So you know, last night you
saw a lot of different like influencers and people of
that of that elk because it was like, yeah, we
get the cowboy fans are going to watch some of them,
some of you don't watch.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
Makes me no difference. I don't give it down what
you watch.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
But the football fan will watch, the cowboy fan will watch.
But is how do we bring in the other Netflix
audience instead are looking for a documentary, that are looking
for a season series, and so a lot of this,
all of this was set up and done by Netflix.
This wasn't Jerry Jones saying I want to have this premiere.
This was a Netflix saying we have to sell a product, absolutely,
and so I just want to put that out there.
(11:30):
I was talking to some people last last night about that.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well, we're all really excited to see it. We're also
really excited to see the next Deep Blue, which premieres
this Thursday, called The Wall two point zero, produced by
Yours Truly. Please check that out on Dallas Cowboys dot M.
And it's about Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Travis Frederick. Their
line that very much highlights twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen and
just the incredible runs that those lines went on. But
moving off of that, we have a football game to
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talk about. This is our first football game of the
season to talk about here and talking Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys,
I'll send rams preseason in Sofi Stadium in Los Angeles
or I guess in Inglewood. Boys, what were your first
reactions coming out of the game.
Speaker 12 (12:07):
Well, in Inglewood, you're always up to no good, and
I think there was a lot of no good.
Speaker 9 (12:13):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
That's my guy right there.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
I was wondering, who would do?
Speaker 10 (12:18):
Is that bad?
Speaker 8 (12:19):
I was wondering who.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
Was I thought it was a good segue, all right.
I was wondering, Well, then I'll say, look, there was there.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
You don't want it to put too much stock into
one preseason game, right, I think you have to kind
of balance out knowing the fact that these guys had
thirty seven guys sit out, twenty seven of which would
probably be starting caliber players or guys who are getting
reps with the ones when we get to September fourth.
But at the same time, you know, you look at
how this team played against the run, and I thought
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when I watched the game back, I don't know if
you guys saw the same thing, but I thought the
defensive tackles, not that they had a great day. I
thought they did better than I initially thought. And I
think really the where I saw the defense struggle against
the run was the linebackers weren't filling their gaps correctly
sometimes and you.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Know, especially that second half.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
Yeah, and you know, maybe they're they're just missing their
assignments here and there. But so the run defense, you know,
one hundred and eighty one yards you just got. You
would hope that with a guy like Maddie Beruflues leading
this defense and one of his staples over the course
of his career being very good against the run, that
you see a little bit better of an effort there.
But again, you look at this defensive line and these
defensive tackles specifically, they're young guys who haven't gotten a
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lot of snaps, Jay Delia, Tamya King, Bisote, Ernest Brown,
guys who just haven't really played a lot of football,
and so you have to bring that all into account.
And then offensively, we got the full Joe Milton experience
fellas the.
Speaker 10 (13:40):
Roller coaster that it is is there's highs, there's lows.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
I think there were a lot more lows, and I
think that you know, you got to settle him in right,
you got you got to make sure that you make
the easy plays to start things off, and I think
six straight passing plays. You know, maybe maybe you do
the quick pass or the handoff here to just kind
of get him settled into the game. And you could
tell the nerves were kind of getting to them and
you see some of those balls sell, so overall, I
(14:03):
think a good learning experience for a lot of these
young players.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
For me, I stone on the defensive side of the
ball as well, And I've said this on camping out
on Sunday evening. For me, it's about analyzing it with
the correct context. Okay, So my level of concern, like
with the run defense right now, is not at the
moment with the OSAs and the Solomon Thomases of the world,
because we haven't seen them yet. We'll see them week
one and then we'll assess that from there. My problem is,
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I'm still concerned about this depth. Right injuries happened. The
Cowboys were ravaged by injuries last season, and we saw
that the depth could not step up and hold for it.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
Right when you look at the run.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Defense issues against the Rams, Blake Horn was having basically,
you know, a day against them, which then allows steps
and Bennett to have a day both on the ground
and in the air. And then the coverage and the
secondary I'll say it again, the cornerbacks group has been
the most concerning portion coming into training camp and throughout
training camp.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
A large part of that is due to injury. Talking
about Trevon Diggs.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You don't know what Savone Reveel is gonna be quite
yet when he comes back from NFI. Don't have Josh Butler.
Kaylyn Carson has battled injury already in camp.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
He came back. But we'll see.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You got Kyrier Elam, but I didn't get to see
Kyer Elam on Saturday. We'll see if we get to
see him against the Raiders. But the other guys Zion
Childress for the most part, notwithstanding and Israel mccwambo having
the highlight play of the game, arguably outside of those
a couple of spots, the coverage got exposed in a
lot of ways. The secondary got exposed in a lot
of ways. I have concerns there. I don't have a
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concern about Marius Leafhile you mentioned how things kind of
opened up a little bit more in the defense in
the middle of that defense in the second half. Who
didn't play in the second half, Marist Maris got pulled
at halftime rightfully, so he was the bright spot.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Perry and Winfrey had some moments, some positive moments.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Ernest Brown had a positive moment here or there, but
I also saw him get kind of walked out, kind
of washed out a couple of times.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
That's concerning for nose tackle.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But then you flip to the offensive side of the ball,
and like Tommy said, you got the full Joe Milton experience.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Unfortunately it was more bad than good.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And what I respect about that young man is I
walked out of that stadium feeling.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Like it was a D.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
His grade was a D. So then to see him
grade himself as a D minus. Okay, now you're talking
about a man with accountability and you can begin building
from that. Yeah, absolutely, you can build from that, and
that's what I love about it. But did he struggle?
Absolutely he did. And I see what tom you're saying.
As far as you know, six straight pass plays, maybe
do some quick outlets, but if you go back and
look at it, some of those overthrows were to the flats, right.
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He just simply couldn't settle down until the second quarter.
And then when he did get the ball moving, self
inflicted wounds.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
They showed up again.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Jesse penalties, penalties, penalties, and then he got out of
sorts again in the third quarter. I mean, we're talking
about a breakout game from Ryan Flinoyd. If Milton can
just find the touch on some of those passes. So
shouts out to him for battling through it. Shouts out
to Will Grier for taking advantage of limited reps, Malik
Davis for taking advantage of limited reps. There are some
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positive to take away from the rams, but there's a
lot of concerns also for me.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
I you know, and and both of you guys had
fantastic points. I was on the sideline, like I looked
at the sideline. I wanted to see all right, all right,
Brian Schottenheimer, Okay, this is your debut, so to speak,
of being a head coach of this football team.
Speaker 9 (17:20):
I don't think you shined.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
I don't think Brian Schottenheimer signed because even coming into
that game, if your game plan was and and and
I've said this multiple times, when I look at a man,
I look at his words and his actions.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Do they match? Do they match?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
And you've been telling us at every moment when you
set up these podiums that this football team is going
to be a physical, running football team. Then you get
into the first opportunity.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Well, I'll take it back.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
I thought you showed your hand a little bit of
a little bit in in the uh. In the scout,
in the in the in the practice, when you go,
I got mad, I got pissed off, so I threw
a bomb. Whoa hold on?
Speaker 8 (18:00):
Now?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Coach out of two reflects leadership here. I need you
to be calm, composed and collected at all times, right
like I can't have you getting upset in and being
all of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Like ah, reacting emotionally.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Throw it now, I get it now. When you when
you sit back and you if there's one thing I
know that Brian Shimer can lay his head down at
night and know if push comes to shove when it's
time to go. I got four, I got eighty eight,
I got three in eighty seven, and there you go.
I don't give a damn because you got Jimmy's and Joe's.
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That's gonna beat any Jimmy and Joe and any.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
We've seen it.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
We've seen it either we've seen it and you can
sprinkle them in there. But I'm talking about full shot.
None is here and there eighty eight, three, four and
eighty seven book it right, And so I look at
when you know he came into this game and he
opened up the press coup and is his media portion
of the game. In the pregame, it said, ever we
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gonna stay around the park, like, did you become a
fan of Joe Milton or you forgot that you were
a coach of Joe Milton? Because I just thought, like
this is you didn't You didn't do Joe Milton any favors.
You know what this player is you under You've been
around this game far too long to know. This guy
isn't the most accurate guy as a young guy doesn't
how much football starts underneath him. Let me settle the
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young fella. Let me give Let let me give him
an easy throw. Let me let me hand it off
like you know you talk about most of the time.
It's like, hey, let's boot and just let me just
get let me let him see. You know in basketball
they say when you can't you're not shooting, well.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Get to the free throw line.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I just need to see the ball go in the basket, right,
Let me boot him out and just let him dump
it off to the tight end or dump it off
to the flat and just get a completion, right like,
let him let him, let him see the ball go
in the basket. I just didn't think the way he
opened up, and then from there you were chasing. Like
once those first two series didn't go well, I then
felt like you were chasing a little bit, and then
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you found a rhythm in the second half. Uh and so,
and then defensive side with Matt eberflus, are you going
to give us answers to our concerns?
Speaker 9 (20:06):
And you talked.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
About the depth and the one thing about the defensive line,
unlike an offensive line is the offensive line there is
no rotation, right exactly unless a guy is hurt, yeah
he's in there.
Speaker 9 (20:17):
There is no rotation.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And so the guys that we saw in that game,
a lot of those guys going to be in a rotation, right,
Like a lot of those guys you know, off defensive
linemen don't play sixty snaps, right, Like the big boys
don't play that. They'll play twenty, they'll play thirty. And
there's some other guys that get in there. So I'm
looking at, Okay, what happens when those guys have to
go in there?
Speaker 9 (20:38):
How much of a fall off is that?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Exactly?
Speaker 6 (20:40):
You see what I'm saying, Like, how much do we
lose when I mean, we don't even really have a
big guy in the front that we can really depend on.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
But what happens when that doesn't work right? When what
we have Michael back in there.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
So that's kind of stuff I looked at from the
side and I was like, for the debut of these
two guys, it left much to be desired and a
lot of question still at hand on what this football
team's identity is, what this football team's culture is going
to be, and hopefully we get answers to that sooner
rather than late.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well we'll quick I'll say this, and I thought of you, Josh.
For the second time in four days, we saw the
Cowboys get out physical, first being the scrimmage against the Rams,
the second being the preseason game against the Rams.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
That's fair. Another point to that, though, is the unknown,
the unknown of it all. And Brian john Nimer was
talking about Joe Milton yesterday and the reason why he
was playing so many snaps is they know Will Greer.
They don't know Joe Milton on in again exactly. They
haven't seen him in this system out there on the field.
When we come back, we need to talk more about
what we know now in terms of Joe Milton. We
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will take a quick break. We'll be right back right
after this.
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Speaker 8 (23:48):
To Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Welcome back to Talking Cowboys live from training Campinoxsnar, California.
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But the official smile of Dallas Cowboys. If you didn't know, guys,
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we got to know Joe a little bit in this
preseason game. He got to play first and most of
the second half. Schottenheimer's talking about it yesterday. It's like,
you know, we have him out there because we need
to know who he is as a player on the field.
You see him in practice, We've seen the throws that
he can make, We've seen the throws that he can't make.
And now you've got a bigger taste of what Joe
Milton has been able to do on the field with
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the Cowboys. Can you kind of compare and contrast his
first and second half, because obviously it was slow going
at first six pass plays in a row three well
I think it was two to three and now it's
correct correct. So what did you get to know about
Joe Milton?
Speaker 12 (24:52):
I mean, if I'm being honest, really not a lot.
I still we still don't know about Joe Milton. Brid
Schotenhimer said it yesterday.
Speaker 10 (24:58):
We don't know, We don't know what we have in
Joe Milton. Yet we don't we know what traits he has.
Speaker 12 (25:03):
We know he has a great arm, we know he
can use his legs, and we know that we've seen
him make touch passes here in trading camp every once
in a while, but we don't know what he is consistently.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
We don't know what he still needs.
Speaker 12 (25:14):
We know he still needs to work on, you know,
getting through his reads quicker and making decisions quicker, not
holding the ball for forever in the backfield. But for
the most part, we don't know because this guy has
not played a lot of football. He just straight up
hasn't and especially at the NFL level. He's played three
preseason games last year and one regular season game, so
this is his fifth career NFL game, and it's not
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really shocking, I should say, to see what he just
the inconsistency, and you mentioned the question being you know
what did you see first half?
Speaker 10 (25:44):
Second half?
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Really not much different. It was inconsistent, and I think
you saw him a little bit more relaxed and settled
in in the second half, but really not by much.
You know, you pick apart some of the good throws.
I mean, you go, you look at the pass to
the corner of the ends of the revolve of Fairweather.
That's a highlight. But then again, he had Flinoy going
in the back corner. I think it was a slot
fade and he just overshoots me what I had a
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touchdown too.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
So it's still so much unknown, and there's still so.
Speaker 12 (26:10):
Much more refining that you need to do with Joe
Melton to be confident in him being your backup quarterback.
But the issue is there's two weeks until the preseason's
over and only a couple more after that until you
open the year against Philadelphia, And if Dak Prescott goes down,
can you count on.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Him to win you a game?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And that's where I was going to go when it
comes to Joe Milton in that kind of circling back
to Tommy's point about touch. This is something that coming
into training camp, I wanted to see not once or twice.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
From Joe Milton.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I needed to see it consistently because until you can
do it consistently, you're not telling me that you're.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
Ready for the next level. Okay, well, the next stage.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
We've seen him make some touch passes here in Oxnar,
but we've also seen some of those passes sell We
saw far too few passes that require touch that actually
had touch against the Rams in the preseason opener. We
could talk about, you know, Floyd putting his defender in
a blender with the double moved backpyline fadus right there
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for you. Just lay it up for him. Okay, deep
middle crosser, wide open, just lay it up for him.
He makes those two throws, we're having a much different
conversation about about that young man right now. Unfortunately he didn't.
So when you look at that and you combine it
with something that Jesse and I we've talked about this
and Isaiah and now we've talked about this as well.
One thing about Joe Milton is he's not going through
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his reads in the way that you would want him
to go through his reads. If anything gets him off
his first read, it feels like he either panics and
he tries to bail, or he panics and he freezes.
He holds the ball for too long, and now you're
giving defenders an opportunity to get into that backfield, and
you're already dealing with an offensive line that's trying.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
To figure itself out right now.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So between those two things, he needs to be a
little bit more decisive.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
He needs to read the field a bit better, but.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Also as strong as his arm is, and we all
know how strong his arm is. I think he's over
very dependent on the strength of his arm. You don't
always need to throw the fastball. The one hundred and
one mile an hour fastball to a guy running the
slant is not necessary, right, Ryan Fannoyd, deep middle crosser,
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you don't need.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
The cannon there. You need the sweeping curve. Right.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
And this guy that they've harped on his throwing mechanics
and how intelligent he is in terms of getting his
footwork right and passing mechanics throughout camp, but you didn't
necessarily see it in that preseason game. It's a level
of concern because it's like you want him to be
prepared and up in the moment. But another thing Shoddy
mentioned yesterday is that a lot of these guys were
kind of forgetting what they've learned up until this point
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and rely on instinct, which is kind of what you
saw from Joe.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And to that point, Josh, and I'm glad you segued
it this way for me. There's also an aspect of
Joe Milton. If you go back and look at the film.
In lieu of anticipatory throws, he believes his cannon can
force that ball to any window at any time, regardless
of if he's anticipating a throw or not. Not when
you're playing under the lights at the NFL level, that's
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not how it works. You have to have anticipation as
opposed to thinking that extra split second, Oh, I can
look off and come back here, and I have the
arm strength to do that. By that time, it's almost
a pick. How many times did the Rams nearly intercept
Joe Milton because of a situation like that. Instead of
anticipating and seeing that and getting the ball to that spot,
he glanced off four a second came back because in
his head he's like, oh, I can get that throw
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in there. The linebacker, the secondary they're like, uh, not
so much here, brother. So I would like to see
those things improve. Was it all bad? Absolutely not, But
there was more bad than good. And that's why I
agree with his grade of himself as a D minus.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Joe Milton is a far away than.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
We all would like him to be.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
And if I can, if I could put a Rekie
Specki out there, say your backup quarterback ain't on his roster.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Wow, if I'm because think.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
About it, I think this coach is I would disagree.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Think about it.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
I'm not sure they can and that there's opposed to
because they believe in their skills.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
They cool.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
I'm happy with that.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
But let's just like, if we're thinking about emotion, if
we're thinking about this right and this is yeah, yeah,
if something happens to four, who are you putting out there?
Speaker 9 (30:24):
Who are you putting out.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
There right now, right now, right now would be will Gar?
Right now?
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Are we confident that Will Grier can do and win
US three, four, five games?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm confident he can get you. He can get you
that one and then from that one. Now it's now
it's schematics. From that one, after that one, it's schematics.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
I just look at this and I go when they
when the rosters start to be you know, broken down
and players getting released, I would not be shocked if
the Cowboys go out and bring in a veteran quarterback
to be in this especially now that you're able to
keep the four quarterbacks and you know you have the
emergency you want. That still gives an opportunity for Joe
Milton to be around and be developed. But you know,
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you just don't want to go into this year with
a bunch of life. It's once it's one thing to
have hope that a guy can do something, but when
that hope is you know, atlantic ocean size hope, that
that you can't go in with that much hope, that
that's not a.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Strategy two and three. Change your mind about this. No, No,
you feel if he has a substantially better performance than
two and three.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
I don't think he will.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
That's fair.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
I just, I just, I just I'm looking at the
player and I'm looking at progression, right like, all right,
where where have we been since we've we've started this thing?
I'm talking about OTAs in mini camp, things of that nature,
right like, if we're still talking about the touch factor,
if we're still talking about the anticipatory uh knowledge of
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how to break down progressions? Right Like, I'm not tweeted
this out, you know, shout out to the wide receivers
and and I'm I'm biased.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Boy.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
They was out there running a lot of love for
the game routes. They're running a lot of their love
of the game routes, a lot of a lot of
routes are that they just run in cause they're like,
it ain't coming, ain't gonna get here, you know what
I'm saying. And that sucks because you know.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I'm trying to make a team.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
I'm trying to make a team, and I route this
dude up and I give him this business and I'm
wide open, and you sell it ten yards over my head,
you see what I'm saying. Frust So it's a frustrating
thing to look at. And when you see that, you're
just like, well, that's a really easy throw. Now you know,
you get two more chances at it. I just I
don't think the progression has happened so much, and I
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think that it's gonna take time to get Jill Milton
off the mindset of I have this bazooka arm and
so like it. You see, I call it arrogant throws. Right,
You've watched.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Aaron Rodgers and his primes.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
You've seen Patrick Mahomes and sometimes John Island and Joe Burrows,
guys with the big arms, Right, they have these arrogant
throws and sometimes like, hey, just because you can don't
mean you should, right, And and sometimes until you get
that knowledge of what's happening. Because sometimes we'll watch a
game and we'll be like, ooh, you see that throw
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that that's and I'm going, yeah, but the percentage it
says for every one time you complete it, you gotta
be knowledge enough to know I probably shouldn't go back
to that water we again, right, But like I watched
that game in Joe Milton and there should have been
two pick sixes on his out telling you like two
that he through well behind the receiver, that the normal game.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Is a pick six against starting secondaries.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
That you see what I'm saying, Like yeah, like that
those guys are walking in front of that like thank you,
and they're going the opposite way, so that there's there's
a lot of ground that needs to be covered by
Joe Milton. And and then also you know, because I
heard coach talking about it yesterday about them wanting to
know more about Joe Mitch means we get to see
less of Will Grere, which I think, damn, that's unfair,
right because Will was like I get it, but what happens, well,
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what about me?
Speaker 8 (34:08):
We heard we.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Heard Cooper Rush out of the year ago is like, hey,
they gave Trey Lance all the snaps because they want
to see what Trey Lance was and I didn't get any.
I need that too. Look, I need to work too.
I'm not getting a lot of reps in practice.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I need to.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I need to make sure that my my sword is
still sharp when I go out there. Don't don't, don't,
don't put me behind the eight ball because he ain't
showing you enough in practice weekend and week out. Now
let me get mine too, so that if if you
decide that I'm not a part of your equation anymore,
I got something on a film that someone else would like,
and I can go out somewhere else.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Here's what I say.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
My mind can change based upon these next two games.
Now that the angle that that Jesse and I are
looking at it are a bit different, a bit differently.
Jesse is saying he doesn't believe that Joe okay fair
enough because he's going by the body of work, and
like thereop to this point. I'm saying that if he
proved just wrong and balls out against the Raiders, for example,
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oh okay, that that's my thought process. I'm like, oh okay,
I see you, Joe, Now do it one more time
in the finale, because again, consistency is key.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Going out and having one big game. That's great and all,
but can you have to.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
But but and I hear what you're saying, Yeah, you've
been here since.
Speaker 8 (35:21):
Win uh Jude July twentieth.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Yes, yeah, what is the same thing that you just say.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I've seen the same.
Speaker 10 (35:29):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
If he proves you wrong, then I'll be like, Okay,
so where our points are attached.
Speaker 8 (35:35):
Where our points are attached. But we're hoping, yeah, we
are hoping hoping here's all the.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Weeks of work in two weeks that you will ultimately
it'll click, that it'll click when I've seen like I've
seen a body of work since April. That's true, that
says the same thing about you. Right, Like we've said
the same We can I can go back and watch
Joe show, my show, his show, and that show, this show,
and we're all going to say the same thing about
Joe Milk.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And we're saying right now today, you're saying in two weeks,
the biggest changes we see, the biggest concern is Okay,
let's say let's say you were of the mindset that, oh, well,
the cowboys should go aheading and bring in a more
proven veteran. Okay, well, let me give you like two
or three names that are in the free agency pool.
When you tell me how much cringe is attached to
these names? When I say these names number one, Carson Wentz, Yes, okay,
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Jeff Driscoll who exactly? And and I hate to do it,
but I gotta do it, you know, Jake from No Georgia.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
Yeah, but just absolutely.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
I think that makes a big point. But here's the thing.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
They're not out there. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
Happens when roster break down.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
No, that's different, right, that's different when we start talking
waivers and people start falling off of rosters in about
two weeks, And that's a different convers I want to
get your point before.
Speaker 12 (36:49):
But here's the thing is, even when guys get off
of rosters like you guys are mentioning, that's a good point.
Is there going to be a guy that's on waivers
that has veteran experience of this team doesn't have. Is
there going to be someone better than the guys that
Patrick just listed that you can feel confident in saying, Okay, yeah,
this guy can go win.
Speaker 10 (37:06):
It's a game. I like to trade for Joe Milton
in the off season. I didn't like this team. Let
Cooper Rush go.
Speaker 12 (37:11):
I think just the fact that he was so valuable
in terms of the backup quarterback position as a whole,
is so valuable in today's NFL with how many injuries
there are in the game now that when you have
a guy like that, it's a luxury. It's a luxury
to have a guy that you can count on to
go win you games. Is it cool fun sexually football? No,
not all the time. But it doesn't matter. One games
for him when he needed to, he lost games.
Speaker 8 (37:35):
Letting you finis.
Speaker 12 (37:37):
I'm I'm not saying it's going to be your starter,
but he's been there and he's done that, and that's
something that this team right now just doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Four was not what you wanted to resigning, But in
terms of him being able to come in at least,
I'll give you.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
For sure four goes down, We're screwed.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
That's just that's just what it is.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
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Live from training camp at Oxnard, California. Boys, we have
to talk about the most surprising things that happened in
the game. And I don't want to say surprising in
a good or a bad sense. I just want to
talk about surprising. What surprised you the most. I'll kick
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us off in that. Seeing Tyler Booker on the sideline
was a little confusing to me. Bran schtten Humber just
said yesterday in the press conference, you know, young guys
need to play. I was surprised Tyler Booker a healthy scratch,
being healthy one of the I think one of the
only two healthy first round draft picks that did not
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play in their first preseason game. To me, it was
I mean, not that it's alarming, but it's like we
should be seeing some of this guy. I was confused
by that choice. But of course the coaches have with
with their their minds made up about these things in advance.
Hopefully he sees some action in the preseason. Uh, I
was a little surprised by that, were you, guys?
Speaker 8 (41:33):
I was until shoddy clarify the.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Thought process and what does that pass?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
The thought process was workload management in the capacity of
guys like Tyler Booker. Did infect see a lot of
work in that offensive in those offensive trenches four days
prior against the Rams, So you gotta you gotta wonder
if how much of that weighed into it. Now, I
will say with that being the case, because as he
was explaining, I was like.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Hmm, I don't entirely agree, but I don't entirely.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Disagree either, But you won't be able to use that
excuse again for week two in the preseason against the Ravens. So,
now being that shot, he said, that's the reason that
Booker didn't play. Now, I fully expect Tyler Booker to
play against the Ravens. Now if that does not occur,
now I'm back, we'll be home. Then then I'm in
the studio asking the very big question, why are we
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avoiding giving I don't care that he's the first round pick.
I know you're injury protection and all of that, but
he needs the reps.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Period.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
We saw what happened to Tyler got in when he
was unable to take reps last preseason because of an injury. Well,
Tyler Booker is healthy, right, you want him on the
field as much as possible so that he can try
his best to hit the ground running when you go
up against a guess who, the Philadelphia freaking Eagles. So
I fully expect Tyler Booker be on the field. We'll
see what the coaches decide against the Ravens. But you know,
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if that's the reason that Shoty's given, I don't entirely agree.
I don't entirely disagree, but now there's no reason based
upon that to not play Tyler Booker against the Ravens.
Speaker 12 (43:00):
I'll say I entirely disagreed with that. I think that
he's I mean, he said it, young guys need to play.
Tyler Booker's young, last time I checked. So he's a
guy that just needed the reps and he didn't. I'm
not saying he needs to play the whole game. You
put him out there for. If you would put him
out there for two drives, it would have ended up
being six plays. And if you were like, all right,
we're good after that, then I think I'd be somewhat. Okay,
I think you know, you maybe look for like ten
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to fifteen, which is what guys like Donovan Azaraku and
Maris Leafal got. But the fact of the matter is
like this, this guy, yes he had the joint practice,
but it's not really a game environment, right, Like, He's
got to get a real game environment under his under
his belt. And I don't know, they pay Brian Schotenheimer
a lot more to make these kinds of decisions than
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they do me.
Speaker 10 (43:43):
But I just think you need to play him in that.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
Sort But for a guy that hasn't seen the NFL
field before, you probably want to give him as much
chances as you can. It's humanly possible to get him
acclimated to that. Jesse, I kind of want you to
your thoughts on this, coming from an actual player in
the NFL, please.
Speaker 9 (44:00):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
One of the things I'm here's my I'm gonna get
to your point. I'm gonna let me make this left
two lefts and three less make right. So I watched
and I listened to the players talking this documentary last night,
and Michael Irvin's charl Hilly's just In Thesmiths of the
worlds right, and the way that they spoke, the way
did they talked, and the way that you know that
their locker room was constructed, right, there was a level
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of accountability. Even though they had their off the field stuff,
when it came to football stuff, there was a level
of accountability.
Speaker 9 (44:32):
And I look at the.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
Way that locker rooms and teams and players are built
today and I just think about and Michael Irvin has
said this, who the hell of these guys to not
be playing in these games?
Speaker 9 (44:50):
Tom said there was thirty.
Speaker 12 (44:51):
Guys thirty seven thirty that that that now, that's that's
combined injury.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
And I'm hearing you, but I mean I can name
fifteen that work that were healthy, that were healthy and
were healthy, right, I can name fifteen and not include
CD and Dak. You see what I'm saying, Who the
hell are these dudes to not be playing like? And
I'm saying like now, I say Michael and Emmett and
Charles because those are the type of guys that are
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like would have been Troy would have been like, wait,
I get while Michael's not playing, Cavante Turpet, brother, we
like you a lot.
Speaker 9 (45:29):
You need to play, you know, Hey, coach.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Wait, if I'm if I'm, if I'm dak, I'm saying
to myself, hey, coach, we're not gonna get these young
fellow reps against in Philadelphia.
Speaker 9 (45:39):
Like, that's not what I want.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
That's what I that's when I don't I don't want
to find out in Philadelphia.
Speaker 9 (45:43):
That he can't protect me.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
Right, I don't want to find out in Philadelphia where.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
His efficiencies are, and then New.
Speaker 9 (45:49):
York and then New York.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
Right, I don't want to find out their coach, what
do we Why is he not playing? Like, what's what's
happening here?
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Oh? You know, if.
Speaker 6 (45:59):
I'm defensively, if I'm if I'm if I'm oh, so
I'm if I'm Mike, I'm saying, hey, there's a reason
why the other guys ain't playing out here, Like.
Speaker 9 (46:11):
Why Sam ain't playing?
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Is he hurt?
Speaker 9 (46:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
No, this is a guy who ain't been on the
field healthy for us for a long time.
Speaker 8 (46:17):
We need you.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
So I'm saying all that to say that we want
to talk about culture change, and we want to talk
about things being different.
Speaker 9 (46:27):
That doesn't happen when you got.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Thirty guys on the sideline in preseason Game one, and
a lot of those guys should be playing.
Speaker 9 (46:34):
In those games.
Speaker 12 (46:35):
And to add to that point, for Tyler Booker specifically,
like all right, man, yeah you're good for the preseason.
Speaker 10 (46:40):
Hey, first NFL game, go ahead. Jalen Carter and Jordan
Davis Sarver, they're waiting for you.
Speaker 9 (46:44):
Good luck, like.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
Man, like from from from Dak's perspective, if I'm CD,
I'm saying, wait, if we're gonna find out if Tyler
Booky can block or not in week one? If he
ain't getting this job done, I mean Dak running around
the crazy. I mean, I ain't getting what I'm supposed
to be getting off in this game on his opening
night of four ball, because there's there's an ego. There's
an ego in there, right like the world receivers, we
have egos. I want to get mine, especially against those
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who they think are the best. I want to shine
in that game too. So it's like, yeah, he's not playing,
so Dak ain't doing well. So now I ain't doing
well the running game now we are. Now now things
look a little bit crazy.
Speaker 9 (47:17):
So it's like.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I expect different from Shoddy, but I expect different from
these veterans too, I expect them to.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
Be like, what's going on here?
Speaker 8 (47:27):
Now?
Speaker 6 (47:27):
Maybe I say it publicly to us, but internally there
should be some what you ain't been in no Pro bowls,
you ain't been on Pro You ain't last I checked,
you ain't Your salary ain't sixty million annually thirty million.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you ain't about to
be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. Sorry,
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sirih a millionaire. My biggest thing was like if we
we we we so much want what they had in
the nineties, but we are we are unwilling to be
and have that level of accountability that they had. Like
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imagine Charles Haley looking down there and he's seeing that
name of backup coach. Why is this bleep, bleep bleep
not playing? Charles wipe is like, you'll get your pads on,
you're playing.
Speaker 9 (48:25):
I don't care what the hell that coaches.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
And I'm not saying that they gotta be, you know,
be rolled, but I'm just saying that we want different results,
but we keep going down the.
Speaker 9 (48:34):
Same path.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Of of nonsense.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Over protection over protection.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
You gotta play football, guys, like we got football.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Ability of injuries you're afraid of all those things, and
that's understandable because it's happened a lot in our life.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
However, go ahead, Shoddy is the same one they said
you have to build callouses. That is a quote. You
can't build callouses on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
And I'd argue he's been more physical. This team has
been more physical out here on the practice field than
they have in past years.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
That I agreed, because they also don't have nearly as
many rest days as as I've seen another mcarth theatery exactly.
Speaker 8 (49:09):
That's that's perfectly true.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
So but it's one thing if you do it out there.
But whenever the Rams come in here and they are
out physically you, and again, like you've pointed out, they
have out physical you again on Saturday, because that becussco character.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
You'll be trying to come physical with a group really physical.
So it looks different, it smells different, it feels different.
It's always like, yeah, I'm in training, I'm doing all
this kind of stuff, and then you walk out of
this prime Mike, it don't look the same, it don't
feel the same.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
You know what they're up against now, Harball's front absolutely boys,
But we just said, what's the standard right now for physicality?
Speaker 5 (49:42):
All right, boys, that'll do it for this edition of
Talking Cowboys. We have to end the show. We have
to say goodbye to Oxnard, California for Talking Cowboys. Thank
you so much for everybody. Thank you, Chris Beam, thank you,
Kyle Yeomens, thank you, I say a stand back, Tommy
Arks for stepping out. Thank you, Jesse Holly for stepping
on this episode. For Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, we will
see you next time. From the Star in Frisco, Texas, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
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