Talkin’ Cowboys: Mock Up & Down

Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Josh Rodriguez & Tommy Yarrish discuss the trade for Joe Milton III and first round mocks from around the NFL and give their thumbs up/thumbs down reactions.

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All right, Uh, we got to get into some backup
quarterback talk because we haven't talked about it. Of course,
it happens all the time. I don't know why we
even I don't even know why we even record on
Tuesdays because it happens either right after the show on
Tuesday or going into like Wednesday or Thursday.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
We just gotta shift an hour base, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And then we'll be fine. But Joe Milton is now
a Dallas Cowboy. That's the biggest news and note of
the week because Cowboys trade a fifth round pick, they
get a seventh and Joe Milton in return, and instead
of using a draft pick on a possible backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Is what they were going to do, if they were
going to do it. We think it shocked about it.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Go and get guy, get a guy, go and get
a guy, and got a guy.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
Yeah, and I much approve of this over what they
did to acquire Trey Lance and sending away that fourth
round pick and you got the player.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But we don't have to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It kind kind of do you kind of do because
you got to make over.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
You got a difference a fourth round and a fifth
round trade.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
But also you know what I mean, you also got
the seventh back with of course, of course, of course,
so it was it was much less of an expensive pick.
It wasn't expensive at all really so and then when
you look at Joe Milton, I'm not going there with you.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Cow would you?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's one of the comments, okay when you it's got it.
We got a great opportunity for comment of the early
early but I can't sit. I don't think I can
say it on the air. I don't know if I
can say it. We gotta figure it out, say Kyle,
nice job, Chris, great jobs. I'm gonna say it, no
are you? Oh, Cowward? Keep going.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
So we got a cowboys got themselves, a twenty five
year old with a cannon of an arm.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Cannon of an arm.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Spent time with New England obviously in twenty twenty four,
former sixth round pick by way of Tennessee, which is
by way of Michigan. So he has some definitely big
stage experience from those two programs. And he's coming in
and he's you know, gonna battle with Will Gear for
the right to back up you know, Dak Prescott. So
we'll see how it goes. I'm excited to get to

(04:18):
OTA's get the mini camp, get a training camp, and
really see what that looks like, because you know, over
the past couple of seasons or more in the Cooper
Rush era, the best shot at de throwning Cooper Rush
came a couple of seasons ago by way of Will Gear.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, and then that didn't.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Happen because Grier got injured and that's kind of what
derailed that, and then it ushered back in Cooper Rush,
and then they went and got Trey Lance, which was
never really a competition in their eyes, not the way
that they perceive.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
You're talking about the twenty three preseason, right.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
I want to say, yeah, before, well, well, when Will
Grill got went down injured because he was winning that
in training camp.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
He was winning it in training camp. Then he got
he like had a growing it was it a growing
one of the it was a slight injury. He came back,
He played in the preseason in all three games, right.
I know he played in that last one because that
was kind of his last hurrah apparently.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
So I don't know, not that one. I think it
was twenty two, was it before?

Speaker 6 (05:09):
I think it was twenty two because it was if
memory serves me correctly, he's winning the training camp battle.
He gets injured and he's unable to finish out the
preseason and that's what derailed it from So then when
he tried to come back, I think he was then
made available again at that point on the practice squad.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
But he's made available again a few.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
Games into the season, but by then Cooper Rush had
re solidified.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think that's that was the season that there must.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Have been twenty of the calf that calf, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
because then Cooper went to Minnesota and solidified the backup
role and that was pretty.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Much twenty three. It was. They gave him a great shot, yeah,
the third and then traded for Trey Lance particular exactly.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Yeah, no, this I believe this was twenty two when
we all had a collective saying, hey, you know what,
Greer is in the lead here, and then the injury happened,
and then so forth and so on. But all that
to say, I'm looking forward to what will definitively be
a QB.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Competition behind Dak Prescott.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
I know you trade it, but this is not you know,
excessive draft capital, which you know guarantees anything for Joe Milton.
I really think it's gonna be Greer versus Milton and
I had a couple of conversations kind of off the cuff,
off the record with Will Greer. He's looking forward to
the competition, like he's really looking to sharpen his teeth here.
So it's going to be fun and I'm ready for it.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's an excellent take, Patrick, But I don't think there's
enough overreaction in their statement there.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Okay, so can you over react I'm telling you right
by week five?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, not at all, Not at all.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think it's a healthy competition going into training camp. Obviously,
you need the bodies there. I think having these two
quarterbacks behind Dak, behind Dak, let me be very clear,
be behind Dak to compete is a good thing and
only a good thing for the Dallas Cowboys. I would
like to see a full preseason for both quarterback or
a full preseason game for both quarterbacks. I would love

(06:59):
to see how they do in a full game situation.
But let's see how it plays out. I'm excited to
get to training camp now.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think it's Chris, you really I know exactly what
you're talking about. So we're going to quickly transition away
from that good job, Chris. You know, when you look
at this, I think for both sides here and talking
about the Patriots and the Cowboys, it makes a lot
of sense. From Dallas's perspective, I don't know if you're
going to find a quarterback in the fifth round that
gives you a better chance or a better prospect than

(07:28):
Joe Milton does. I mean, how many quarterbacks are you
going to find that are six five two and forty
seven pounds and can throw the ball eight hundred yards.
I mean, you're just not going to find that very often.
So that's somebody that's worth taking a shot on. From
New England's perspective, they use a sixth round pick on
him last year after taking Drake May third overall, and
they get to move up in this year's draft from

(07:49):
it and only give up a seventh in return. So
I think it's win win for both sides. Joe Milton's
last year at Tennessee looked pretty good when he was
playing at his best twenty touchdowns to only five picks.
Volunteers as a whole weren't really all that great that year,
but he showed you something. And then that last game
of the season, like you guys were talking about when
he started against Buffalo's second team defense at twenty two

(08:11):
for twenty nine for two hundred and forty one yards,
a touchdown, and then ran ten times for sixteen yards
and another score. So this is a guy who I
think if you get some more snaps whenever they come across,
whether it be you know you're gonna blowout and you
get to put him in there, or you're getting blown
out and you get to put him in there, kind
of like what you've seen with Cooper Rush over.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
The lot like the second years.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, you shouldn't, but it happens, It happens. I think
he's positioned himself very well to be the backup quarterback
here and if if it was today, I think he is.
He would be my pick.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Over a Willgreer.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
And that's not a shot at Will Greer saying he
can't compete for the spot. I just think Joe Milton
gives you more options.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's all about the ceiling and the skill set
and how it matches up. We had heard from Brian
Schottenheimer years past that it does matter what the skill
set looks like, and he wants it to match up
correctly with Dak Prescott. I think Joe Milton is a
guy that's not a carbon copy of the two. But
if you're looking at Will Greer or Dak Prescott, you

(09:07):
could say the skill set not talent level, but the
skill set it mirrors Dak a little bit more so
than what Will Griers would. So it is kind of
an interesting tidbit. Plus, I went back and looked at
his draft grade last year. I had him as the
Cowboys fit in the Draft magazine last year, which is
another reason why you should buy the draft magazine. But
I had him as the Cowboys fit last year. And

(09:30):
if I were to take his grade and move it
without even putting his NFL body of work into it
from last year to this year, he would be QB
eight on my list.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So and the guys that I have in front of
him would be cam Ward of course, Jackson, Dard s Sheder Sanders,
Jalen Milroe, quin Yours, Riley, Leonard, Will Howard. That's it's
those are the guys. So if you're not going to
draft one of those guys where you don't want to
spend a first, second or third round pick, which we've
talked about that as a scenario on this show before
you didn't feel comfortable doing that. You feel pretty good

(10:02):
about Joe Milton. I think it's pretty consensus across Cowboys Nation,
which it's never really consistent, completely consensus, But this is
about as good of a move as you could make,
moving down forty six spots in the draft and picking
up a legitimate need that you were going to draft
in the first place anyways, without actually spending a quality

(10:23):
pick on it. And you still get to pick in
the fifth. Yep, you still get a couple swings at
it in the sixth, and you get an opportunity in
the seventh ten, and so yeah, you're just fine. Actually,
you get two picks in the fifth, two in the sixth,
and you got three in the second. It's all even doubt,
and you get rid of a need that or you
get a need that you were going to have to
address anyways.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I think one of the only knocks that you can
really have for him right now is that he hasn't
had a lot of attempts in his career.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
I mean, obviously only had twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And you say the same thing for Trey Lance though.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Exactly that was going to be the exact comparison that
I made. It's another project in a way, but I
think there's more upside here, given that he did play
a great game last year in Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
There's more upset and I think there's going to be
more opportunity to because Cooper Rush has been the staple
at that backup quarterback spot for the last however many
years he's been in Dallas, So now it's kind of like, Okay, well,
Cooper Rush is not there anymore. There's no real veteran
presence in that room. I don't know if we would
categorize will Career as veteran.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't think I would, But there's no in terms
of playing time. No, But he's been around the.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
League in the league, yes, yeah, he's moved around the
league loose, but.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
I'm speaking more about playing game.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, I get right.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
So if that's what we're banking on here, and you know,
you bank on your backup quarterback to come in and
facilitate for you when you need it, you're not necessarily
planning to have what we had last year, where Okay,
you know, Joe Milton's gonna have to start the last
ten games of the season, right, So if it's a
if it's a one game two drive scenario that Joe
Milton's needed for, I think that's an excellent spot for him.

(11:52):
And I think that those kinds of reps, slowly but
surely are going to get him to where he needs
to go.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And another thing that he's not like that Deck isn't
able to give you is that he's a dual threat.
He can run when he needs to, and he can
escape when he needs to.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I think what we've.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Talked about Dak in the last couple of years is
that he's not as mobile as he used to be,
and nor do you really want him to be as
mobile as he used to be, just based on the
injuries that he's gotten. But I think with a guy
like this that is athletic and has that dual threat,
you can get something out of him that you weren't
able to get out of Tree Lance whenever he was
in the game and he saw that.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sorry, I don't go to cut you off, but you
saw that athleticism on display, and just how he's able
to maneuver the pocket when it kind of breaks down
in that game against Buffalo last year where you know
he's rolling out and the strength of his arm is
such a weapon. It's really unlike a lot of what
you've seen ever because there's that one play where he
rolls towards the sideline. I don't know who he threw
it to. The touchdown didn't count. It's a crime that

(12:44):
it didn't count. It should have stood thanks to the
rule of cool. He just rifles it and it just
looks effortless. He's on the move, the sideline's coming right
on him, and he just rifles it into a perfect
spot that's hard to find. That's really hard to find nowadays.
And I think that you know, if you're able to
capitalize off of that when the opportunities come, because again,
this is Dak Prescott's job, and it's going to be

(13:06):
that way until he furthered, until he decided to hang
it up or leaves. But that's I think that that
kind of skill set, in that kind of trade of
something that you've got a really high floor that you're
building off of.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
With Joe Milton, what I'll add to those excellent points
is the fact that one of the biggest concerns of
Trey Lance coming into the league, even as a third
overall pick, was that he didn't have a lot of
experience coming into the league with North Dakota State as
far as games played in game start, Yeah, really I
think it right eighteen give or take. But when you're
talking about Milton between Michigan and Tennessee, he had forty

(13:40):
three games that he that he took the field for. So,
although he's a one year guy, which makes him kind
of like a pseudo rookie for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Young three years under contract sheep as a lot of
contract quarterback sheep as far as expense goes, and he
entered the league with a ton more actual collegiate experience
than Trey Lance did. So I say that to say,
you know, are there some some things he needs to
improve upon. Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
We keep talking about how much of a canon his
arm is, and that's absolutely true.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
He can't teach that, right.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
He has an Anthony Richardson kind of cannon, but in
the same breath, and he needs to work on his
ability to put touch on the ball. So that was
something that concerned me time and time and gain with
Trey Lance. So Trey Lance doesn't have the cannon that
Milton had, But Trey Lance also struggled with the touch
so if Milton can kind of refine that and put
some touch on that ball, then we're really talking about
a good QB competition behind behind Risco.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
This turns into like one of those those I can
fix some sort of conversation coaches. Coaches feel like they
can fix a guy and that all these other guys
have just gotten it wrong all the way through, and
then you kind of figure you put the match it together.
But the opportunity is there one.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Hundred percent, but there hasn't been a big enough sample
size for him.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So I mean, I don't know if it's about fixing
him more is refining his the skill set that he
does have.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's funny because Tommy brought up the Buffalo game, and
everybody's talking about this Buffalo game because that's what we have.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
That's what's all we got.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's what we've got that in pre season tape, even
that I think was limited to a certain extent.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
And less than four hundred steps of Tennessee and then.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
His Tennessee tape, which is Tennessee tape. I even wrote it.
I'm reading my article from him last year. But a
lot to be intrigued about when studying Joe Milton had
success at Tennessee Want some big games during his time
with the Volunteers. Additionally, he boast a fantastic athletic profile
that resembles a tank more than a quarterback because he
can run the ball and he's got an absolute cannon
at straped to him, you know, like he's got that too.

(15:31):
How teaching guidance will be needed fundamentally at the professional level.
That's what I've got here. So I think there's ways
that you've got to You've got to have the right
teaching and the right leadership to put him in those spots.
But this isn't gonna We're not saying the Cowboys are
winning the Super Bowl. Where go ahead and book your
your your your tickets to Santa Clara in February of

(15:53):
next year. Like, that's not what we're saying. What we
are saying is that this is a solid move to
pick up a backup quarterback and it helps your depth
of your football team, and it could help the future
of your football team too if it works out.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Now, just just a little tiny overreaction, all right, guys,
tiny what is winning?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
What is his QB comparison at his best?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Like current I had Kyle Trask. I like it as
as the guy last year I had Kyle Trask. I
don't think Kyle Trask has the same arm talent as
Joe Milton, though, and I think at least from a
because Kyle Trask is still in the league right, yes,
he still bounce around somewhere. Is he still in Tampa Bay?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I don't know I that he's still in Tampa.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
You signed with Tampa Bay?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
He may have. But I think as a solid backup
quarterback with some upside to be a starter at some
point in time doesn't mean it's this year or next year.
I think I would probably. I don't know if I
hate that comparison, but I don't know if I'm fully
on board with Kyle Trask the way that may have
been as a college guy.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Pat, do you have comparison?

Speaker 7 (16:55):
Hmm?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I honestly, and this isn't going to sound lovely, given the.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Nothing you're going to say is going to sound lovely.
You're either going to get over what do you mean? Culture?

Speaker 6 (17:09):
I disagree. My wife disagrees. She says, I have a lovely.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Talking about your voice I'm talking about, which means every
comparing quarterbacks I'm sure half of the people. I mean,
I have already vomited once, I said Kyle Trask.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah really I said it. I said it in my
in the Take a few minutes ago. I think it's
Anthony Richardson. The comp is Anthony Richson. I think you
talked about a two quarterbacks who are dual threat, who
can you know, throw it a mile, who can take
off and run. They're big, they're strong, they're physical, they're
hard to you know, get on the ground if you
if you know it's you versus it's the linebacker versus

(17:44):
they're more smaller safety versus them or something like that.
But much like Richardson, the touch is not necessarily the
accuracy needs to be worked on, so huge upside, but
you know, the upside has to be I mean, it's
not going to be achieved unless these coaches shot in
high and Clayton Adams and they can get their hands
on him and actually figure out what which switches to

(18:06):
hit within him to achieve this.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
So for me, it's Anthony.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Richards Anthony's probably a better runner, specifically, like he's probably
a better straight up runner, speed, ad agility, that kind
of thing. And then Milton's probably a better arm talent,
so it kind of counteracts to each other a little bit,
you know, like in terms of arm strength and throw
power and that kind of great.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
I got one from this quarterback class. Oh, I think
Joe Milton is a taller, less quick Jalen Milroe because
Jalen Milroe can absolutely launch the football interesting, but he
doesn't sometimes just doesn't have that touch. He's not as
great in that short intermediate game. They've both got cannons
of an arm in terms of what they can do

(18:45):
with the deep ball. I think Milton's got the edge
a little bit there, but then again he's kind of
in his own class with that. And then I mean,
Milroe's legs are what completely changes his game. But Milton
can run too. I'm not saying that he's, you know,
gonna break away from everybody on a yard touchdown. Every
other play can hit you with that home run ability,
but he's still more than mobile. And so I think that,
you know, you look at these two guys and they

(19:06):
they kind of remind me a lot of each other.
Milton's obviously a little bit bigger, but they're both just
so stocky in what they're able to. I mean, look
at how Milro's built. His legs are tree trunk. He's
built like a linebacker you can see in that film there.
And like I said, what where Milroe changes the game
is with his legs. But I mean, you just look
at this clip right here. He's got that can of
an arm. Obviously, I think Milton's got a little bit

(19:28):
more rifle to his right, but we got to put
the right clip up there. They're making me look bad here.
But no, but but Milroe, I think since since his
days of Tompkin High School is right here, that's exactly
what his specialty is, right and I think Milton gives
you that too. I think where Milroe is more accurate

(19:48):
with that deep ball, whereas Milton can really just toss
it up there and make it look effortless when he
does that. But a lot of the same kind of
traits in their games. And then this is where Milroe
changes the game right here, because if he gets space,
it's game over.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I completely agree. I like your your your sentiment there.
I think Milroe will be a probably a third round,
fourth round guy, so even I mean if he goes
before that, either way, the Cowboys aren't going to take him.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
I think he's going earlier.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
That's fair.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
He got a draft invite and accepted it. That's not
the end all be all in terms of when he
gets picked. But if he's a first round or a
second round pick, don't be surprised. I think somebody's going
to bank on his traits.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Alrighty all for it. By the way, Yeah, you're a
big aft. The show is on Milion No. Three segments one,
so it's one third about million.

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It's like I wrote the magazine or something. All right,
let's we talked a lot about Joe Milton. Yes we did,
because that's the biggest news of the week for the Cowboys.
But I kind of want to go off of some
of these these is on Dallas coowboys dot Com as
well Decisions Decisions. There was a gentleman that had a
mock draft Monday on Dallascowboys dot com. His name his

(24:12):
name is Tommy Yarish. Stay, I know, so I'm gonna
go through. I'm going to go through some of these
listed mock drafts right that he's listed here, and I
want you to give me a thumbs upper, a thumbs down,
no grade system. Either it's good or it's bad. You
like it or you don't like it. And we're going
to go through kind of what each of these drafts

(24:34):
analysis draft analysts think about their their possible draft pick.
Let's start with one of the guys who's been doing
it the longest, mel kiper Jr. Out of ESPN. Mel
kiper Junior had the Cowboys taken a running back in
the first round at twelve overall. But his name was
not Ashton Gent. His name is Omarion Hampton, running back
from North Carolina. Thumbs upper, thumbs down, pat.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
Thumbs up on the player, thumbs down on the value
of that particular pick. No way, I'm taking Hampton at twelve. Yeah,
I love him for it later, but not at twelve.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, what do you think at twelve? At twelve?

Speaker 4 (25:08):
At twelve, I'm gonna give you that is right time, je.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
It was it was at twelve.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
There you go right back down there.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, thumbs down.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I'm gonna give it kind of the same thing as
Patrick as thumbs up for the player. I love Mary Hampton.
If he ends up being at forty four, I'm all
for Boom. I don't think it's going to be a
twelve overall pick. Twelve is tough, twelve is fairy.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
Yeah, absolutely no way at twelve. And that's nothing against
Maria and Hampton think he's a great player. I've got
guys above him. I think I'm a wady too lower
on him than some other folks.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Are.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You have running backs above him?

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I have Caleb Johnson from Iowa above a lot of
people do.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I still have him as RB four, still a second
round pick, but I have Henderson and Hampton above.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Him, and I don't think Travion Henderson is that far
behind Hampton in my I think I think Henderson is
just a straight up home run hitter. And again, this
running back class is so good that Hampton being RB
four in that stack is not necessarily like, oh, this
guy's a mid second round pick and he's not going
to translate to much. I think he has an incredibly

(26:11):
high ceiling in this league if he goes to the
right scheme, and I think Dallas would work out great
for him because he can play on three downs and
he can give you everything you're looking for in the back.
But at twelve, I think there's bigger needs and value
better players on the board for Dallas at that spot.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I do got to say, as the de facto webmaster
of Dallas, cow Hampton has some of the best photos
of any player in the draft.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
North Carolina's uniform niforms so much.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, best, So that moves his stock up for you.
So makes some good at twelve would.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Be it would make grid headline. I'll tell you right now,
that center piece.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
First overall pick.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
And it's Tennessee tight.

Speaker 11 (26:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I don't know if you've ever been out to like
Chapel Hill and like been out there. Trees and the
triangle is what they call it with like Raleigh and
Durham and and and I know you've been in that direction,
the triangle. Yeah, but they like all of that. Like
Chapel Hill is perfectly covered in that like baby blue
it is. Oh, it's so clean, it's such a good look.
Great basketball arena is all blue. It's just perfect.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Then you go to Durham and you see that ugly blue.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
So you were happy on Saturday that Houston took care
of business.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
Oh, absolutely, And they almost did it for me again
last night.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Just get this, get the shot.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Off man shout out to the Florida Gators. But that
was a heartbreaker, Houston. I'll shout out Florida. I'm trying
to get some college basketball, all right. Bucky Brooks from
NFL dot com, friend of the Draft Show and a
relatively well known contributor to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Bucky said,
Armandmembu offensive linemen from Missouri offensive tackle more specifically, they're

(27:48):
at twelve for the Cowboys. What do you think, Tommy
on that one?

Speaker 5 (27:51):
It's an interesting one because I think you when you
look at this offensive line, Brian Schottenheimer wants to put
the best five out there. Do you feel like they
have a five right now? That's fairly strong. You compete
in a division where the line of scrimmage is so important. Yeah,
that's up for the Cowboys to answer. I think they
need the skill position players more than they need the
trenches early in this draft, so I would go thumbs down.

(28:12):
But Membu is a heck of a player. He's a
heck of an athlete, and I think if you look
at him at guards specifically, it's an intriguing option for
the Cowboys. It would be the boring pick. But I
don't I think I would rather if you had put
Membu or Hampton in front of me, I would put
I would take Membo.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Okay, I'm gonna go thumbs down on this one.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I feel the collective sigh from the Dallas Cow's Nation.
To pick another first round offensive lineman in that spot,
in a spot so high when you have a need
for skill position, I think would be really tough. I
guess my sort of first gut reaction to a pick
like that would be like, that's great, you know, it

(28:55):
would be nice to have. I mean, it sounds weird.
I don't want another ring of honor guy that doesn't
get a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
You know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, you want to win a super Bowl. I get it. Oh,
like you want ring of honor guys that are gonna
have rings exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I mean, if you're picking the best guy that's going
to be at his position, that's great. But give me
a guy that's gonna win me some games. Dude, I
think I need a skill position.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
If we were in an episode of Stranger Things and
we were in the upside down and your thumbs up,
but we're in the real world, so it's thumbs down.
Because I'm taking I'm taking a skill position at twelve.
I'm taking skill position because in order for you to
convince me that this would be okay, I first need
to know who went off the board first. Like, let's
assume Gent is off the board. Is Ted also off
the board? Teed McMillan, is he also.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Off the board?

Speaker 6 (29:43):
If both are off the board, why are you still
at twelve? Is my thought process. Bail out, move back
a few picks, try to get that fourth, try to
get some additional capital, and you know, still pick in
the middle of the first round. But yeah, I don't
look at it as and this is not a shot
to Memble. I think that he can be something for real,
but offensive tackle. You just spent a first round room

(30:03):
guy and whatever you think about guy, and just know
that the Cowboys are not gonna bail on him in
year two after giving up a first round pick to
get him. And then on the opposite side, I guess
I'm of the few, the select few, that liked what
they saw on the back end of the last season
with Terrence Steele coming along. Yeah, So being that I
like what I'm seeing with Terrence Steele, kind of getting
back to form, and I know the Cowboys aren't moving

(30:25):
off of Tyler Goutton in year or two of a
first round pick from last year.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Why are you sitting at twelve? I ten and Gentier going?

Speaker 6 (30:32):
And if neither of them are going, why is this
year pick based on Bucky Brooks's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
So it's a good question because I think if you're
taking an offensive lineman in the first round, you're bumping somebody.
You're either bumping Terrence Steele, you're moving, Cooper Beebe, You're
moving Tyler Goeyton, You're moving. You're not gonna move Tyler Smith.
He's probably the one guy that a first round pick
would not even move. And if I'm looking at Arman
Membo as a possibility in the first round, I think

(30:58):
you would have to move Tyler Smith if right, that
would be the first thing you would probably think about.
I'm not moving an all pro from the guards box.
I'm not doing that. But I think Mimbu would probably
fit best as a left guard or a left tackle.
You already have a left tackle and Tyler Geiden that
would be the one I would move if Mimbu's there.
I still don't feel super confident about that though, because

(31:19):
then I would have to swing him to right tackle,
and then all of a sudden, terrence Steel's a question,
and then the domino start falling. I'm gonna give a
thumbs up for the player. I actually am of the
mindset that he's not even gonna be there at twelve.
I think somebody early in front of him takes him,
and so the player is there and the value is there.
If you're talking legitimate BPA, he would be a conversation

(31:39):
because that's BPA, and then figure out the rest. If
you're doing that, I'm not I'm not gonna be upset
about it because you're taking a damn good football player.
But I'm gonna say thumbs down just because of the fit.
It's just kind of a weird scenario. And I'm kind
of with you guys in the fact that it would
take a lot for me to move around. I think
if there was a spot where you could say, oh,
don't worry, he's we don't have a left tackle, he's

(32:01):
your left tackle, or oh don't worry, we don't have
a right guard, he'll fit great at right guard, I
think i'd feel more more opportune about it. I just
think there's too many other moves that are gonna have
to happen and happen to work for you in order
to make the pick actually work out.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Question though, is the second round too early for you
guys for an offensive line period?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
No, yeah, no, I could take it, but I'm taking
a right guard in that spot right or a center
or somebody that I really like there, and then move
bb out the guard and then you're feeling pretty good there.
I don't think they're going to take an offensive lineman
in the second But let's say like a Kelvin Banks
from Texas falls or a Will Campbell from LSU somehow falls,
then you can maybe have that comedy, you.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Have the conversation, But I still think you need skill players.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I agree, all right. Speaking of skilled players, how about
Lance zer Lion, also from NFL dot Com. He usually
has a pretty good beat on what the Cowboys are
doing when they get closer to the draft. There's a
little secret if you see his mock draft like week
of the draft, keep an eye on and kind of bookmarket.
Matthew Golden, wide receiver from Texas is who he had there. Tommy,

(33:05):
I know you were down there at Texas Pro Day
you feel like that's the right fit for the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Fit twelve fit is the question because you can line
Matthew Golden up outsigned. But if you look at him
against a Tet McMillan, right, McMillan's got the size, he's
got the catch radius, he's got the fifty to fifty
ball ability. Whereas Golden, you're going to be saying, Okay,
we're banking on you to win your routes, to outrun
guys and get the fifty to fifty balls at a

(33:35):
much less rate than you would if you're throwing Tet McMillan.
But I think he's a savvy route runner. He gets open,
he can blow past the guy, he can create separation.
You saw what he was able to do at the
combine running wise, he run one of the best forties
I think, if not the best forty for a wide receiver.
Really got the combine, and so back end of the
season he was incredibly productive for Texas and the College

(33:57):
Football Playoff, and so there's a lot like with Matthew Golden.
I think though, if you've got Golden and McMillan both
on the board, because of what McMillan gives you from
a catch radius and fifty to fifty ball standpoint, because
the Cowboys just need that big ex receiver. I feel
like to compliment Seedee Lamb, that's the question. But Matthew
Golden is a heck of a player and I think

(34:19):
that if you paired him with Seedy Lamb a lot
of good things would come from it. The question would
be he can line up in the slot too. He
line up in the slot to a lot of Texas.
So where do you work Seeding Lamb into that? Because
you've got to make sure that he is still the
most prominent part of your offense. And so how does
Matthew Golden compliment that? Is he better on the outside
than in the slot? Do you feel like that's the
question that the Cowboys would have to answer if they

(34:41):
picked Matthew Golden. But he's a heck of a player
and I think it would be a thumbs up pick
for me.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Is it more likely or less likely that Ted has
gone before Golden?

Speaker 5 (34:50):
I would say it's more likely.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
I think that the media landscape, the media pundits in
the draft are overthinking Ted McMillan a lot, and that's
why he's sliding in these mock drafts.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Teams aren't.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
I don't think teams are. I think he's that good
of a player. And you can talk about the top
end speed, whatever, You're not going to find an athlete
like that at the receiver position anywhere else in this class.
I mean, just what he's able to do in the air,
it's really incredible. And he's just so acrobatic, can make
any catch. You throw him any ball fifty to fifty
and he's just a matchup nightmare.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah, So why is he falling?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Do we know?

Speaker 5 (35:29):
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that just over he's
falling in the in the draft world like of mock.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Draft pundits are right dialogue.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
I don't know if he's if he's sliding that much
from an NFL team standpoint, if he slides past I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
If he slides past twelve, we ran through the simulation
on the Draft Show and did our own little mock
draft there. But if he slides past twelve in the Cowboys,
thirteenth through nineteen is going to be interesting because those
teams don't necessarily need wide receiver help right away. They
don't need first round wide receiver help, and they've got
a lot of other needs that they could possibly hit there.

(36:04):
So if the Cowboys wanted to trade back, and we
actually did in that scenario traded back to eighteen with
the Seattle Seahawks, if you can find a dance partner
to kind of trade in that area, you may still
get Tech and feel pretty good about it. But he's
got to get there to twelve first, like you got
to see what's available there at twelve. And I think
the Cowboys are so wide receiver hungry, I don't think

(36:24):
they would play around with it. I think they would
get a guy like Matthew Golden or Tech McMillan if
he's there.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And the other question too, you mentioned sliding. If he
does slide, I think it's a question of, Okay, what
are the teams in front of Dallas need? What are
their positions of need? Right Like when you look at
this sport, if we're looking for places where Tech McMillan
could fall early on, I think if you look at
New England and Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are off

(36:50):
the table, Okay, do you want to give Drake May
his best receiving weapon yet or do you try to
find your left tackle of the future there and a
guy like Will Campbell. So that's the question with the Patriots,
and you slide further down. Does do the Panthers want
to give Bryce Young a solid wide receiver one option
or do they want to go on the defensive side
of the ball and bolster their pass rush. You could
argue that New Orleans could be looking for a guy

(37:12):
to complement Chris o'lave in that room. So there are
questions as to whether or not a team in front
of Dallas is going to look for that. I mean,
even you can make the argument for San Francisco, given
how how much it looks like they're going to pay
Brock Purdy and they're kind of just selling everybody right now,
is that a team that looks at him. So it's
just an interesting argument of Okay, do you really need
wide receiver early on? And do you bank on a

(37:33):
guy like McMillan's talent or is he going to slide?
Because frankly, teams just aren't really in need of a
wide receiver even though this class is so loaded at
the position.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So you would you give it thumbs up or thumbs down?

Speaker 5 (37:43):
McMillan, no Golden thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Thumbs up for Golden quickly before we go to our
second break.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Thumbs up for the player, thumbs down taking them at twelve.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Okay, thumbs down, trade down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You know, Golden is a trade back and get guy
for me.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna go thumbs up. I think he's that
good of a player.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
He'll be sorry.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
I'm gonna cut you up. I don't think if you
trade back he's there.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Depends on how far you're dancing.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
For dancing, you would have to dance fairly far.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
And this is definitely a guy that I could see
somebody trading up to get. If somebody sees him that
that highly is.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Tit going, he could be.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
He very well could.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
If tit is going, then it changes because then you're
getting instead of.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
White, and I'm at least willing to have the converse.
I'm not going to say it changes, but let's talk
about it.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think point if.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Ted and genty are gone at twelve, you trade back.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think, right, That's what I'm saying, right, I think
we're all in agreement.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
And McMillan and Golden at twelve, you pick McMillan.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
In my opinion, I have a freaking almost shout out.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Shout out to Andrew. He actually pointed out I completely
had a flub. I don't know why I said Membo
was a left tackle.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
He's right.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
He's a right side play which in the magazine like
it's it's in front of like I have it right here.
He played right guard and right tackle. I don't know
why hasn't had their That's on me. Yeah, sorry, I
didn't get my black rifle coffee to kick in in time,
so that's on me.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
What happened. Yes, we don't get oats in the morning anymore.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna change my answer on Membou
because now that I'm of right sound in mind, I'm
gonna say thumbs up, because he's gonna be a hell
of a player, and he might be your right guard
of the future. And then you don't have to move
anybody around. You can have Cooper b b at center,
you can have Terrence Steel at right tackle. You're gonna
throw the ball to God, You're gonna You're gonna be
just fine. They're gonna be figured. We're gonna figure it

(39:31):
out in the second, figure it out in the second round,
memboo falls give me a thumbs up. Well, change my answer.
Thank you Andrew for pointing that out, because I don't
know why I'm an idiot. All right, let's take our
second break. When we come back, I've got two more
names that were on these mock drafts that I want
to get two thumbs up or thumbs down more of this.
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Speaker 2 (42:41):
The dark knight? All right? Matt Miller ESPN says Tyler
Warren tight end from Penn State, will be the Cowboys
pick at twelve. This is probably the most wild card
name that I've seen out of the the The article
Patrick seems to agree, were taken as he set off

(43:02):
Penn steak tight end, best tight end in the draft.
A lot of people are are really high on him
in the media circles. Not sure what teams think. I
think the teams like him. Could be an impact tight end,
could be brock Bowers, could be him. What say you?

(43:23):
Tight end? Arguably stand though, but no not. I'm a
Fergie stand I don't. I don't mind.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You're a fan of potential, and I think you have.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think he'll have a bounce back here.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
He'll be fine, especially as long as Dak remains on
the field, because I think that that's the key for
Ferguson as well as for remaining I.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Think Joe Milton throwing ninety five miles per hour down.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
But arguably the position that lead that needs the least
amount of assistance in the draft. Right now, you're going
to spend the twelfth overall pick on it. I could
not hate that more and that's my So. Is that
a double thumbs that's double thumbs down?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, I'm right there, No, thank you. I love Tyler
Warren as a prospect not here.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
I think that he's he gives you a lot of
versatility in the way you can use him just because
he's a receiver in a tight end's body. I think
is the way that I would put it, and that
was kind of on display in his last year at
Penn State. I think Penn statement a great highre with
Andy Coldle Nicky as their offensive coordinator because he likes
to put a bunch of fun wrinkles in his offense
and have guys do a lot of different things. You
remember his time at Kansas, That's when Jaylen Daniels was

(44:30):
playing in his best I'm nerding out on college football
too much. I'm sorry, but Tyler Warren they kind of
just use as a Swiss Army knife. He lined up
at quarterback, they played him at running back, they played
him at wide receiver, they played him at ten end.
They might as well play them at offensive tackle. This
isn't a guy who's going to be the best inline blocker,
but what he gives you from a receiving standpoint, I
understand why people will say, oh, this could be brock Bowers.

(44:50):
Brock Bowers is a unicorn. There's there's there's there's no
one else like that. I look from the from the
tight end.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm just trying to stir up kind I understand. I
don't think he's going to be brock Bowers. Actually, I
think he's a great value version of such. I think
he's a good player, and he has a similar skill set,
but he's not the same. And if you're going to
take a first round tight end at twelve overall when
you really don't need one, if we were sitting here
and looking at our tight end position and saying, man,

(45:18):
we don't have anybody here, which I think some Cowboys
fans out there would probably say that, I don't. I
think we saw some improvement from Schoonmaker. I think we
saw a bad year from Jake Ferguson. Say it as
it is, but you can't just replace him off of
one year. You can't just replace a guy off of
one year after he just went to the Pro Bowl
two years ago.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
So I had been in quarterback. Are the two spots
of twelve that i'd before, if they may hate it,
So that's that's what thumbs down for me.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Hey, Matt Miller more like mac Miller because I have
hurt feelings.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Over this page.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
You know what I'm saying, our.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Thumbs down terrible idea away with you get guards, guards
removing from my presence.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
The only other name that was on this list compiled
by Tommy Yarish on Dallas Cowboys dot com, it was
a number of tech McMillan possibilities. I think we're all
in pretty much agreeance that that's a that's a thumb
two thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, that's two thumb.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Feel pretty good about the fit.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
I like the polarity on that you go from one
that's obviously two thumbs down to a Tech McMillan, which
is obviously a two thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
It's almost like I had put it together there, almost
like it's almost like I might not be structured at
first rodeo. Yeah, it's like I'm hosting the show.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
You've been here much longer than memes.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Watching the show. That's true. But yeah, no, I think
we're all in agreeance that TET would be a favorite pick.
Is there anybody book?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Just write it down, it's over, I'm gonna update the website.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, puff overall.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Pick what number you're giving?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, I don't know what's open? Uh?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
The ten?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I'm giving them ten, ten, ten?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Two? Sorry one giving them two?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Did one?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Take two from Jalen?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I didn't even see that.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Uh yeah, he is willing to give it to a
rookie though he I don't know if he's a business
portion of the signing bone, you can't give him.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Four can't can't take four away?

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Is a business decision?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, it would?

Speaker 6 (47:15):
I think he like so he did that absolutely so
that you would have to come to him with a bag.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Come on, Yeah, that's veteran move.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
That's positioning.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Nice signing bonus. What size of those?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
What size of those? You get your size? Not your size,
my size?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah? But yeah, anybody else ted McMillan, got it. Anybody
else that you feel comfortable there at twelve.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
I've told you before I like Walter Nolan man. I
really do that high on him. I really am that
high on him.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I appreciate you standing on the table.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I haven't seen a ton of difficent tackle footage aside
from Walter Nolan. But for obviously, what's his name, number one, Michigan.
He's not going to be there, Mason Graham, Mason Graham,
he won't be there, probably not, So give me Walter Nolan.
I like him, and I like the interview that you
guys did with him. He sounds like Micah in a way.
It's like, yeah, put him next to each other, so
it goes.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
You're standing on like one of those like school desks
that are like kind of wobbly, but you're standing on
the table. It's like Dead Poets Society. Yeah, I got
you up there, like, oh, captain, my captain, and you're
looking right at Walter Nolan, trying to trying to will
this thing.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
And let's go, buddy. But you like the old mist defense.
I like what he did.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I mean, come on, they were nasty. Let's go. That
defensive film is nuts.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Honestly, I am on a different table. My table is
if Ted McMillan and Ashton Gentil going find a dance
partner to bail.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, that's where easier said than done.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
And say it was easy and say it was easy.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I just said, you're probably gonna take it under pay.
You're going to give somebody a discount on twelve. That's
the just you got to come to fruition.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Depends on what the discount is.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
It's gonna be probably a heavy discount because there's no
quarterbacks to come.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Shameless plug for previous week's episode, so check out last
week's episode if you want to know some scenarios put out.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
There was a very fun game.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
There was one particular thing I'm not going to tell
you because I want you to go priss play that
was such an underpay that it was it was mildly gross.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Ye, so underpays.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
I mean there are levels to underpay and discount. So
if it's a mild discount, you know, fine, as long
as it's not a full you know, discount, double check,
then you know you can get it done.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Yeah, I think if I'm with you in that Teed
Gentier gone try and move back, and Walter Nolan as
a prime candidate. I think if you move back as
a guy who could be on the back table, I'm
a big I'm a big Walter Nolan guy too. Look
anything on the board for okay, anything, I feel like
it's on the board in the first round except for

(49:40):
tight ending quarterbacks. Right. I think that you look at
this team and they've got just so many needs across
the board that you could make an argument for just
about anybody. But in terms of what it would what
you would get for trading back, if you can stack
some top one hundred picks, I think you're in a
good spot. So even if it's at a discounted point
and you swap first and maybe get a second and

(50:00):
a third with it, maybe that's too high, or like
a third or fourth he gets your fourth round pick back,
I think you consider it if that's the best offer
you've got, just because you need to stack as much
top end talent as you can for this froster, right
like you need to. This is a draft and developed team.
They've set it over and over again. If you're gonna
do that, you need to draft the best players that
are up there and then you let Will McLay do

(50:21):
what he's done in the past and make his money
late in the rounds in Day three. So as far
as other guys at twelve, you could talk me into
jod A barn from Texas, the cornerback who can kind
of play anywhere in the secondary. I think you could
talk me into Luther Burden, the wide receiver from Missouri.
You could talk me into Will Johnson, the corner from Michigan.
So there's a lot of a lot of different pieces.

(50:43):
And I think the wild card in the round one
of this draft because just because I've been seeing buzz
around him lately in terms of where they can play him,
not Dallas specifically, just across the NFL is Johad Campbell
from Alabama. Where does he fall? Is he a guy
that a team is super sky high on and they're
gonna take him the premium pick. I bet you he
goes in the top twenty one hundred percent see it

(51:04):
because I think he gives you that added element of
the pass rushing ability. I think Johodd Campbell is what
Jalen Walker, what people thought Jalen Walker would be at
a linebacker spot because Johad Campbell can rush the pastor,
but Walker is a better pass rusher. Yeah, so that's
where it differs. And I'm not saying anything bad about
Jalen Walkers. I like Jalen Walker a lot. I'm just
saying people see him and say, Okay, well he's a linebacker.

(51:27):
But I think Campbell covers more ground as a coverage
linebacker and he can still blitz off the edge on
third down, whereas Walker I think specializes at rushing the
pastor and just needs to be more refined.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I do agree.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Do we assume Michael Williams will be gone at twelve?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
No?

Speaker 5 (51:41):
No, no, I think there's and he's another one.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
I do not foresee him being going on twelve. I
think that'll be a conversation. But going back to last
week's episode, go and watch that. It was based on
the scenario that Kyle position. That is why I said
Mikel Williams at number twelve. But in the actual real
world where I'm not boxed in by Kyle scenario. Sorry,

(52:03):
I'm not taking Mikel Williams. I love him to dip,
but I'm not taking him at number twelve.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I'm a too rich and even he's one of my
dog's best way too.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Rich. I'm I'm of the thought process that if you
can get the right type of compensation, trading back is
a great option. I'm all for it, but I just
I'm also telling everybody that just be prepared to not
have a trade partner and to not have the correct
compensation and overfa some problems either Yeah, all right, we
gotta go here on the Draft Show or gosh darn

(52:31):
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morning on Talking Cowboys for Patrick no C Walker, Jush Rodriguez,
Tommy Yaris Chasmen Marshall in the back of Kyle Yoman
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Speaker 1 (52:54):
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