December 9, 2025 • 49 mins
Kyle Youmans, Patrik Walker, Isaiah Stanback, and Josh Rodriguez break down the latest Cowboys news, including Jerry Jones’ comments on Logan Wilson taking more snaps and more. On a Talkin’ Tuesday, the crew takes your calls to discuss defensive priorities, Kenneth Murray, and whether playoff hopes remain alive after the Eagles’ Monday night loss.
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Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right, Pat, Let's get into some news and notes
so we can maybe even take some calls here in
this first whoa boy?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And there's not a ton of news and notes. We
talked about the injuries on yesterday and Ceedee Lamb, Trayvon Diggs,
Daveon Clowney, Tyler guy In, those being the headliners. Jerry
Jones spoke with one O five three the fan today,
didn't offer much insight into either of them, just basically
saying if he can get you know two of those
three being guy In, Ceedee Lamb and Jenevion Clowney, that
(03:29):
cowboys will be in a good.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Spot forthcoming written by Tommy.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I feel that's obvious. So we don't know where they
are right now versus where they were yesterday. But as
of yesterday, just to reiterate, Ceedee Lamb has made progress
within the concussion protocol. He still needs to pass his
benchmarks in order to clear that. Jenevion Clowney is expected
to take the field against the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, Cowboys
(03:56):
missed him in Detroit. Absolutely, Yes, Tyler Guy is on
right to return against the Minnesota Vikings as well.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Very nice.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
So that's that's where they are with the injury front now.
Trayvon Diggs another part of the injury front. Jerry Jones
said to One on five through the Fan this morning
that he turns out he was a game time decision
last week against the Detroit Lions. So that tells you
just how close they were to getting Trayvon Diggs activated
from injured reserve. That tells me that you know, he
(04:26):
has an equal or better chance of that occurring this
week against the Vikings. Now the Cowboys are going to
look closely at him during practice. I did find it
interesting that Jerry Jones said there are quote unquote a
lot of eyes on Trayvon Diggs in practice this week,
and then he immediately kind of softened that by saying
not in a negative way, little fly fishing.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Kind of heard you there, Okay, why fly fishing? Fly fishing?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You throw it out there, you bring it right back,
bring it back.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
We kind of heard you there, Jair.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So when's the last time you went fly fish?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Never?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You've never been fly standing and bodies of water that
I can't see in. It's not a thing that people
like me get into.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You're in the wrong place. You gotta find like a
nice like creek or something, but see the bottom.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And you've never seen a video of anybody like me
standing in a body of water fish and getting attacked
by a catfish.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You're not getting attacked by a catfish. If anything, your
ankles get not on by like an alligator go roading.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Have you seen those teeth?
Speaker 11 (05:28):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Would you feel it happened to me? I used to
fly fish all the time. Oh yes, it's like one
of my hobbits.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You've been not on that now.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Here, Bro, you're standing in my ankles.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I've never been.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Would you try it?
Speaker 11 (05:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You know what, because I'm from coastal Georgia and water moccasins.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Or of things.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, like, why would I why why would I do that?
I did?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There was one time as me and a buddy of mine,
and there was just a straight up rattlesnake or not
a rattle, a copperhead that like swam in between us.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I'm shooting up the whole pond.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh yeah, it was legit. It was in Waco, of course,
opper head.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I don't know if it was.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I can't remember if it was.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
A copper but it was.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was gonna say. All you would have seen me
is that that cartoon silhouette smoke where I used to be.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Y'all would have thought it was Jesus. I definitely would
have been walking on water.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So yeah, So Jerry Jones said, a lot of eyes
are on Trayvon Diggs. We'll see if he makes it
back to the field this week and to kind of
throw some some more chum in the water.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
You know what did you do there?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
You caught that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Regarding the linebacker situation, this is something that we've talked about.
This is something that the family starting to pick up
on and kind of have a rally cry for and
or against, depending on which side of that equation you're on. I,
for one, am on the side of what the hell
is Logan Wilson not playing playing?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Is it a calf?
Speaker 11 (07:03):
No?
Speaker 12 (07:03):
No, no no.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So Jerry Jones spoke to it, and I was actually
pleasantly surprised to see how how noncommittal he was to Yeah,
he was noncommittal to the K nine equation. So they
asked him straight up, they said, you know what's going
on with Logan Wilson? Could it be a ramp up thing?
So Jery he colored his commentary with it being a
(07:26):
ramp up, But if you listen, go back and listen
to what he was actually saying, it sounds like he's
saying we're going to expected to see more Logan Wilson
as early as this week. Because he kept saying that
that's what you brought Logan Wilson in for, was competition
to compete with Kender Mary, to compete at that spot.
And then he said, well, you know it's his fourth
game ramp up. Okay cool. So all of that being said,
(07:47):
I ah expect to see more Logan Wilson this week.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So do you truly believe that it was just a
mental capacity thing in terms of absorbing the actual.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I mean, no, he was the green dot on his
first game against the Raiders and played the majority of
this just trying to do.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
A process of he's he's healthy, he's healthy, and he understands.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But I'll just have guys politics.
Speaker 13 (08:17):
May I for one moment, just, uh does fluce? What
is flu seeing from Kenneth Murray that you were not
seeing out of Logan Wilson in his limited time on
the field, even James for.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That, Why is the sun not covered in ice? I
don't know, like that not even to be because I'm
just being playful with Josh, of course, but seriously, like
I don't know, like objectively speaking, there have been pockets
of games where Murray has played well. Pockets though, right so,
like a couple of weeks or so ago, the PBu
(08:53):
that created the tip drill interception, things like that. There
have been pockets right before the most part, if you
look at the body of his work, and not to
beat up on the guy, but let's just talk the
science of it. If you're looking at the body of
work in the Cowboys uniform, it's just been very not great. Okay,
on the whole, there have been pockets of good football,
but for the most part, it's like, no, no, no,
(09:14):
that's why you went and got Logan Wilson in the
first place, because Kenneth Murray had been playing up to standard.
Because keep in mind, you traded for Murray as well,
so if Murray had been playing up the standard, also
knowing he has to deliverage of being a guy who
you traded for, then you're not trading for Logan Wilson
at the trade deadline. But you went and did that,
So then to make that move, and three games in
(09:37):
be asking the question, why is Logan Wilson not seeing
the reps that he needs to see. I don't have
a logical, legitimate answer for that. I just don't three
games plus other than the week that you other than
coaches have their guys. Yeah, which is to say, if
Jack Samborn wasn't on U wasn't dealing with the groin
injury Insideline probably still be seeing some Jack Samborne other.
Speaker 13 (10:00):
But do you think having a mini buy in between
all of that, And of course Jerry Jones now saying
that we're probably going to see more Logan Wilson having
a mini buy buy in between, that makes it a
little more understandable that they wanted to give him more
time to understand the defense.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Did Quentina Williams get a ramp up?
Speaker 12 (10:17):
No?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Okay, but does it does he need one necessarily at
that position?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But is Logan Wilson and one of the green flags
for Logan Wilson coming in and a saying that he
should be able to get get kind of thrown out
there exactly high football like you, and he's a veteran.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yeah, it's been how many games? Three? Three games plus
the week? Yeah, so four weeks?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So why why is the sun not covered?
Speaker 13 (10:44):
But you had three games in eleven days during that time.
I mean, I think part of that is I think
what bad timing exactly for for all.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Of that to kind of go down.
Speaker 13 (10:54):
But this bye, if we're expecting to see more of
them than I'm like, all right, well, I'm.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Kind of with you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm not freaking out for not I'm not freaking out
right now.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's the question, though, it's it's definitely it's a quiable question. Sure,
So that's what I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But I don't think it's something to panic about this second, Like,
but you have to.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Fans and analysts who are demanding clarity. Are right in
doing so? Is all I'm saying, Oh yeah, we're justified
in the manny clarity. If it were a situation where
they were ramping up a guy like Quinn Williams, then
then it'd be like, oh, well, okay, what are we doing?
This is not that, but this is most certainly at
(11:35):
least a can we get an actual answer as to
why this is the case.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And the answer you got today was no, no, it's
not so.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Again, this isn't to beat up on Kenneth Murray as
much as it is to say you traded for Logan Wilson.
Why is Logan Wilson not and you traded for him
to compete with Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
You also drafted a couple of linebackers too, Chamar and Marris.
I don't get two stars.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
They got Marris chained to a radiot.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
You know what radio, because he's a dog.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You talk about pockets of good and pockets are bad.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Though the majority of the pockets of good of Marit
has been on special teams, and the majority of the pockets.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Are bad have been on defense. And you know what's
crazy that he hasn't played.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
The majority of the pockets on good last year we're
on defense. Yeah, then the question becomes, what's the disconnect
between mars and system. That's the question. Yeah, there's something,
there's something not not jobbing there.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So coy Isaiah, Okay, eating your your fruit.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
And say that.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Finish with BlackBerry sir.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, why are you eating in the middle of the show.
Because I am a healthy guy. Oh my god, my
body is my temple.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I have development.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Position of coaches have a responsibility oftentimes analysts and fans.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
We look direct at the simply the athlete.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Not enough emphasis is being placed on the development of
players by position coaches. It's something I speak on frequently.
You said, we can't just continue to not see productivity
out of specific position groups and not have accountability had
(13:24):
for the coaches that are responsible for those position groups.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So for the linebackers, who would be Dave Borganzi, he's
the linebackers coach. Should there be a conversation about Borganzi?
Not necessarily like moving on from but accountability.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, like this.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
You had a Damon Clark, we drafted, they figured it
didn't work out. Damon walks out. We're sitting here talking
about Marristle. If we drafted, saying that he's not clicking
the linebacker position, not seeing the field. Jamar James, we
drafted not seeing him on the field the way in
which we were talking about we continue talking about other veterans.
(14:04):
Usually when you draft guys, you want to see them
on the field. But those are three guys, not all
in the same category, but all three guys that have
been invested in in terms of draft equity that we
haven't seen the productivity that you we would like to see.
I can't say that completely for Shamar James. I really
liked him as a player right now. Yeah, I understand
(14:27):
he's a rookie too, for sure, And obviously these other
guys are have a couple more years.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
On their route.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
But in totalities are guys that we drafted and then
did not see the development out of to date today.
Regardless of the timeline, whether you're a rookie or whether
you're a damon right into your third fourth year, whatever
it is, I have questions about the development of particular
position groups.
Speaker 12 (14:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
We said the same thing about defensive line. Right, there's
individuals that we drafted and it weren't developed, right, So,
like there has to be a responsibility placed on these coaches,
not calling him matam Well, they equally deserve the scrutiny
or the analysis that we place on the players. If
you're not seeing a consistent productivity out of the whole group,
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it can't just always be the players.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And I would put a lot of that, hold on,
hold on, hold on. I would put a lot of
that on.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
The previous coaching staff, not the current coaching staff do too,
especially with when it comes to the defensive line that
you're talking about. Also with Maris Leafel, even though he
did ball out and he played well and he was
able to develop, and then you're talking about what was
the third name we're thinking of, Demon Clark, that was
the other guy you were talking about. I put that
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more on the previous coaching staff up until this point.
Maris is the one question mark that I have just
because of the scheme and the flip of a scheme,
and he didn't forget to play defense year exactly. So
I think he just probably doesn't fit the same way
that we thought he would with coach Ibra Flus or
with Borganzi or whatever it may be. I don't necessarily
put all of that lack of development on this coaching
(16:02):
staff because they've been here just as long as a
lot of these players have the same thing with I mean,
Shamar James and Dave Burgonzi have been here with the
exception of about two months, the same amount of time.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So it's gonna take a little bit of time for
those guys to develop.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You're not developing Kenneth Murray, You're not developing Jack Sambourne.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Those are guys that you still need, They still need help.
I agree that what I'm saying, So when we look
at the group as a whole, that's what I'm saying.
Both staffs.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
All I'm saying is that it's not all on one person,
not not on one That's exactly my point, right, it's
not all on one staff.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But we've had two staffs with Damon didn't work out.
We've had two staffs with Maryor's Lee foul doesn't seem
to be working because he doesn't fit the scheme.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Now we've had one staff with Shamar James. He's not
on the field, in.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Which we hope they continue to find other people to
put in front of him. They trade for Murray not
working out the way people thought. They trade for Logan Wilson.
We're still waiting.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
So I'm there's a trend here, Yeah, there's a trend.
I can't I can't help but identify the trend.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It's either likely development, or they don't fit the scheme,
or they need more time, like there's something somebody clicking.
Speaker 13 (17:06):
Another big part of that is that the defensive scheme changed.
You only have two linebackers on the field at a
time now, and are you taking to Marvin overshon off
the field right now? The only question mark right now
is Kenneth Murray and his the the amount of time
that they're giving him on the field and the fact
that he's not necessarily he's reading the play just fine,
but he's getting himself out of position. So why not
(17:28):
then supplement those reps for Logan Wilson, a guy that
you traded for, but like you traded for, Maris is
right there?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Here's this year you overshown. Okay, you're not taking Overshow
off the field? No, you're not, absolutely not. Has Overshown
played the entire season?
Speaker 12 (17:45):
No?
Speaker 11 (17:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Okay, Before Overshown came back, we having the same question
mark about why san Born And yes, okay, so you
mean to tell me that. Let me put it this way,
I forgot there's a common denominator. Yes, be it overshown
available or uneva. Be it Sanborn versus Meyrist or Kenneth
Murray versus Logan Wilson versus Merrist. Yeah, Chamar James, there's
(18:10):
a coming thrid for sure this entire season. Yes, And
the question is what's the thrid? Yeah, I'd love to
hear fans weighing only it's true. I mean, who would
you start a linebacker?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
That's the question. No, that ain't that's the question. The question.
The question is why is it? Why is that nobody's clicking?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Why is it that we have an excuse for every
single person that we just listed. When we drafted two
guys over the last two years at that position, right,
or is it three three guys, whatever it might be,
we trade it for two and we signed one free agent,
and none of them are panning out the way you
want it.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
None. But it's the players.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And now you've got some guys up front that can
can hold up their blocks and do their thing at
the same time too. All Right, we got to take
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What's going on?
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Guys?
Speaker 10 (22:11):
I was happy about the Eagles losing, but I was
I know, Dallas had an they you know, they played
the Lions and it was just like they took a
step back. I mean, I feel like they didn't play
aggressive as they did when they played the Chiefs. I mean,
I know, it's the NFL, it's as we talk about
it every week, it's week league. It's just just, you know,
we I don't know, we just SI. I don't know
(22:32):
what it was. I don't know what it was. Everybody, everybody.
We didn't play well. Defense, I mean, offense didn't do
too bad, but they you know, I mean Dak obviously
didn't have the time that he normally has. It's just
but the defense, they just they didn't play well.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I agree, Mike, appreciate the call as always, kind of
just outlined what we talked about on Friday, talk about
how the offense didn't play well, defense didn't play well,
special teams didn't play well. It was an uncomplimentary football,
uncomplimentary at its finance.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Is that a word? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (23:06):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Don't you google it?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Cut I probably did.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Liquidity.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, liquidity is a word. Give I gave you credit there.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I don't know if it is what I do, but yes,
I agree, Mike, and hopefully they're able to turn that
around this week.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Let's go to Jason in New Jersey, Jason, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
What's up? Guys?
Speaker 17 (23:23):
Super super excited to be on the show. Thank you
so much for taking my call. I am in Eagles territory,
so I have to do this stuff all the time.
I just want to say, you guys have the best
well rounded show and I love it. Thank you so
much for all you do. Uh Isaiah, Super proud of
you man. I've been watching you for a long time.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 17 (23:42):
Yes, sir, I just want to say so no Ce,
Like space is cold, the sun is hot. But I
want to know can the Cowboys be that new clear
giant to make it to the playoffs?
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Do you still believe?
Speaker 17 (23:55):
Love you guys, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Good question there, Jason.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Do you believe the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh wait, do we hey avert your eyes fandomly in
the chat, we're gonna say the P word.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Playoff to get there? You got a long way to go,
got to win for it. But the math is working
in your favor. The Chargers defeated the Eagle.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Ky, No, I'm not being I'm saying to.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Answer the caller. He wants to know if we believe
the math, says you have a right to believe. You
have four games left, you only one and a half
games behind, You have two more divisional games left. The
Eagles are falling apart. Looks like the Cowboys broke them
with that twenty one point come back.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So you have a reason to believe. The Cowboys just
need to give you more of a reason to believe.
Effect of this Sunday against the vik.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I think there is reason to believe. But my gosh,
there's a lot that has to go your way. You
gotta win all four. Then the Eagles who play the Raiders,
the Commanders, the Bills, and the Commanders again. The Bills
game you could probably count as a possible Los Commanders.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You need.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You need the Eagles to slip up against one of
the worst teams in the NFL on three different occasions,
twice against the Commanders and once against the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Happen. So it needs to happen in order for you
to even have a shot. The Commanders, and they just
got they just got their butts.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Whooped by the bike shutout who had a four game
losing streak, and beat them thirty one in the matchups.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So you're saying they need to bounce back.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I would show I believe in commanders when it comes
against the against the Eagles, I do. I love Vegas.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Say no, you want it, you better believe in the
Commanders when they played. That's fine, but I'm not gonna
taint the class.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Come on, let's go to Nebbie in Silver Spring, Maryland.
We've got Nebbie on the line. Nebby knows ball. What's up, dude?
Speaker 11 (25:55):
Uh Hi, Kyle, how are you? Thank you so much
for taking my call? Uh? And I just want to
say that you guys took the word right out of
my mouth because uh uh I was gonna say that
(26:17):
I've been doing the math uh and.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
I I.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (26:26):
In order for us to win the NFC East h
I and make the playoffs, we have to win out
uh I I uh and the Philadelphia Eagles have to
(26:48):
lose uh uh two of their remaining four games. Uh
uh uh. Not likely to happen, considering who the Eagles
have remaining on their schedule. However, it is possible. We
(27:28):
just have to take things one game at a time,
take care of our own business, and the rest will
take care of itself. Take care thank you so much
for being patient with me. I have a great week Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes. I love the way he outlined that at the end,
and it's kind of what Isaiah was talking to last week.
As long as they take it one game at a time,
I feel like they have a shot. They should win
these games. The Chargers game is gonna be the tough,
tough one. That's the toughest one remaining.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
They're familiar with those games and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Playing them at home, so you've got you've got that
at your factor. I think you've got you've got a
likelihood to win the final four games. You just need
the Eagles to slip up twice.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You just knew and it could happen.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
That's hard to do.
Speaker 13 (28:24):
But they have a championship caliber defense absolutely, like you
saw it on display last ast night.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
They refuse to lose that game.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
They turned it over five times and twice in one play.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, and gave shortfield to Justin Herbert, who's been one
of the best quarterbacks and one of the best offenses
in the Chargers all year. And they gave up nineteen
points in regulation and lost in all seven sacks on
Justin Herbert. Yeah, I agree with you. Just gonna be tough,
and I we think in Marcus Mariota, and I mean,
who knows if Jayden Daniels is still gonna play.
Speaker 13 (28:57):
And I don't want to burst our bubble heat because
the Dallas Cowboys have elements of that. They can be
a championship level offense, but you have not seen it
consistently enough. And a big part of that is your
offensive line. You have the weapons, there's no doubt about it,
no doubt you have Dak Prescott, but can you afford
him enough time against championship caliber defenses? Because if we're
(29:20):
talking about getting into the playoffs, Okay, who you playing
in the first round?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Is it going to be Seattle? Is it going to
be Green Bay? Again?
Speaker 13 (29:28):
The Rams like, are you telling me that you feel
confident with this offensive line going up against those defensive lines?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Say forty nine ers for ten dollars place?
Speaker 13 (29:36):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that'd be great in a perfect world,
But I don't know necessarily that you're built for that
quite yet.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I mean, going to the Eagles side of the equation,
there's no denying their defense. No, I have a defense,
but their offense can lose them. Three of these knicks,
four games. Yeah, I agree, That's That's what I'm saying.
So you make a good point. Yeah, say, well, can
you think Mark Mariota, I don't know, doubtful, right, But
flip the coin. Do you think Jalen Hurts and this
(30:06):
offense can beat the Commander's defense?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
They I know, their offensive line is kind of a
mess right now, but they at least have Barkley and
they still have Davante Smith and A J. Brown can
put up one hundred yards if they throw them the
football they did throw Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Did his thing.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
A Brown has one hundred plus receiving yards in each
of the last three games that they've lost.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And you know what else he had. He was also
a key reason that they did right. They dropped the ball,
dropped the ball, created one of the iron tis And
I will give Hurts this much credit. That ball, that
deep ball, perfect God chargers. That that could have broke
the game. That was that was it ran the hands hands.
So again, yeah, throw So the offense for the Eagles
(30:50):
who lose them these games. They lose one, you think so,
but are they going to lose two?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
They just lost one?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
No, No, they they they need to lose two more.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I think they'll lose bills. They'll lose bills, and they'll
lose to Washington at least.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
All right, Let's go to one more callar before we
take our second break. Robert in California?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
What up?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Robert up? Robert drop?
Speaker 11 (31:14):
No?
Speaker 12 (31:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
What's up? Bruce in Philadelphia? Bruce, he didn't have a
T and T.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
What's up?
Speaker 14 (31:23):
Man? How's it going?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Appreciate you, bro?
Speaker 14 (31:27):
I know, man, it is bedlam up here.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 14 (31:30):
It's a beautiful. I had I gotta listen to my
fellows over here, but to listen.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
To Philly sports.
Speaker 14 (31:37):
Talk radio when the Eagles like this, it is sane.
I mean, you got people want to jump bridges and everything.
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Let me let me share something with you, Bruce.
Speaker 13 (31:47):
One of my favorite things to do after the Eagles
lose is whenever I go to sleep, I listened to
Eagles podcasts and listen to the whine about losing.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
It is my favorite thing.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hate listen.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
It is music to my ears.
Speaker 13 (32:00):
Please I encourage and every time the Eagles lose, please
just check out any of their podcast because they're all insane.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I'm not giving them the numbers.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
I mean I do it on a separate accountant on
the dark incognito mode. No, it's great, thank you, Bruce.
Speaker 14 (32:17):
Yeah, hey, guys, listen, I had a question, like I
think one of the things that just overlooked is, like
you know, in terms of well the Coweys didn't play
as well against the Tray as they played those previous
three games, you really can't underestimate the ability for Dak
Prescott to make those changes at the line, particularly with
(32:37):
the tackles. When he's making those line calls and changing
plays when they're home, obviously it's a whole different viob
And how much if you guys could just chime it,
it just let the cause. And how much is that
a factor in terms of his ability to change calls
or get us into the perfect play where he can
do that more so at home and maybe so much
not on the road. So I see the lack of
(32:58):
aggressiveness sometimes with the play calling on the road. And
also the other question I had, and I you know
I can listen off line, is are we talking about
two playoff spots at at that may be for grads
that any here. We know about the NFC East one
in terms of winning division.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
But the Bears. I know the Bears have non.
Speaker 14 (33:19):
Wins now, but I think three of their last four
games too look really daunting and it seems to me
that you're either going to win ten games or eleven games,
and the Cowboys being at ten six and one, they
may have a chance at one of those wildcard spots
or do today. I'll listen offline. Good listen to you guys.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Thank you, Bruce.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Good call, Bruce. I'm going to start with Isaiah on
the quarterback thought.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Changing the play at the line of scrimmage easier on
the on the road or easier at home? And does
it affect it one way or the other From a
play calling standpoint, changing the play is obviously easier than
the less noise there is, sure in the communication, but
there's so many things that are non verber cues now
it really doesn't shouldn't have impact you that much.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There's things that you do in practice, layering music, blaring speakers,
whatever it might be. Crowd noise that prepare you now
is not going to be the same exact thing as
in the game. But majority of your verbal communication goes
towards your offensive lineman, your tight end, and you're running back,
so you can. That's why you see quarterbacks walk up
talk to those guys, and everybody else gets hand signals.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay, and then the second point about the Bears. I'm
looking at their final four games Browns, Packers, forty nine Ers, Lions,
So I agree with him. Three of the four are
pretty daunting. But if they win one more, then they
would be ten. That would get them the ten and seven.
If they win it, Yeah, if they win it and
(34:38):
they only win one more, you're a ten and seven,
So you would get in.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
If you win all four of yours and they only
win one more.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's a lot of hope for you need them to
slip up three times against formidable competition, or you need
Philadelphia to slip up once against Philadelpior, once against Buffalo,
and then once against the not so forth, a.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Better chances are to try to take this division, I think.
So that's what I focus on. Try to take the
and if you happen in trying to take the division,
if you happen to accidentally fall into a wildcard, great
take it. But you got to aim for the division,
not the world.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I think that's kind of where we're at.
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Speaker 9 (38:29):
So I got to watch the game, and the difference
I saw between the defenses is the Lion's defense was
was always trying to strip the ball. They were going
after the ball with our offensive guys, and that was
prevalent with the turnovers. And it didn't seem like our
(38:49):
defense was really trying to do that. They were. They
were more more focused on tackling, it seemed like to me.
So I was kind of wondering from from your guys,
because I appreciate the fact that you guys get to
watch films, is that something that our defense is prioritizing
is going after the ball and trying to get takeaways.
Speaker 12 (39:15):
Go for it.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Thanks for the call, first of all, man, Yeah, I
mean yeah, all defenses prioritize trying to take the ball away.
So I'm not going to sit up here and accuse
our defense of not doing the same. It's just so
be it that certain situations a lot for you to
go after the ball more so than others. For instance,
the punch out, I think that Campbell had the tackle
was already secured. The tackle was secured, so all his
(39:39):
job now is to come. Since the tackle is already secured,
he has the ability to now come out and just
simply try to punch at the ball. Your number one
priority is to get the man down. Number two. If
you're in a position to get them down and you
secure the tackle, then you try to go for the
chicken strip.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
So that is kind of how.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Most teams teach it.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I can't speak to what the Cowboys do, but I
know that we've seen them in training camps, them in
pre practice.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
It is a point of emphasis for sure.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
I mean I listening to Shoddy over the last couple
of weeks talk about the turnover differential and like just
being frustrated by it, obviously because the turnovers are not
quite there for the defense like he wants them to be,
like anybody wants them to be, right, But I don't
have any doubt that there's an emphasis on it. And
you have a lot of playmakers, including Deron Bland, who
is efficient at making those interceptions and being able to
(40:25):
be a ballhawk, right, But you're not seeing it click
this year. But I think a lot of that is
the communication struggles that they've had all season with the
defense and having to change the scheme midway through the season.
I think the more you're able to get these guys
playing time. Like we're talking about getting Logan Wilson involved,
getting players that you're not really seeing a lot on
the field right now. I think the more different looks
(40:47):
that you get on defense, the more opportunities like that
will come about.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I mean, bottom liney is just exactly what you guys
are saying, like priority number one has to be getting
got to the ground has to be because when you
prioritize punching the ball away over that, what you start
to see is something that played the Cowboys more often
than not, your with your mistackles. So coaches, if they're
coaching it the right way, it's about getting the guy
(41:12):
wrapped up and then the free runner he's the one
that should come in and punch at it while the guy.
So if you have the guy, if you're the first
one to the guy, you're taking him down prooraby one.
Get that guy to the ground, and while you're on
the way to the ground, shirt kind of jab at
the ball. But it should never be the other way around.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
I'm talking about rally to the ball. That is a
term that's brought up a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And just swarm to it.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
You have to be able to do that and the seasons.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Did he like this?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Let's go to Eric in North Carolina. Eric, you're on
Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (41:45):
What's up guys? First time? Hey, I admire you guys. Guys,
you guys are something to Some of the reasons why
I like that is Cowboys, sports media, the podcast, met
the stuff you guys give us on the web, website,
in the app, it's second to none. You gotta twitch
your money where your mouth is. Y'all walk the walk,
(42:08):
and I just gotta give y'all flowers. Now I'm a
normal I will I'm a normal guy with a regular
with hanging with the boards on me and Shannon Groves
and my dog just know because you know, But I
just want to, you know, say that you guys want
to make my little quick comment man, keep up the work,
keep up the good work, y'all color commentary. You guys
(42:29):
do doing those games. You know, Isaiah and Kyle, you
guys are just top quality, five star material.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
Man. I appreciate man, and I do.
Speaker 12 (42:40):
Want my companies about Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (42:43):
I don't want to trash pile up on a guy,
but you know the take he's been putting out all
year long. It's just so disturbing you overrunning places like
he's he said that those plays miss tackles. He's in
the spot, the right place, the right john, not finishing
the place one of itself out of play. Not see.
What I'm talking about is what is the issue where
(43:05):
he's getting those reps? Why isn't one of lead farm
I've seen. I guess he know youth like you behind him.
I don't know, but I just feel like if we
can just solidify that that live back spot man, you know,
finishing plays like you guys just said, you know, getting
guys on the ground, man, diagnose the planes, keeping guys
in the long distance, down the distance and third down.
(43:27):
If we could just get that, man, I feel like
we're gonna make a hell of a one. But you know,
once again, thanks God taking my call. If you guys
keep bringing the thunder, I'm gonna keep listening, man, Cowboys
for life.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yes, sir, sure, I appreciate you.
Speaker 11 (43:41):
Man.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
What do you think like positive affirmations?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
There?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Ye, a lot of them do that all the time.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I think we hit on a lot of it earlier
in the show. So I keep this one short. We
don't truly know what they're but they're talking about in
those mining rooms. We really just don't write, so.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
We don't know halfway what they're doing in practice.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Yeah, we don't know what they're doing there.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
We don't know the capacity or where the other linebackers
that he's competing with are at in their development and
their understanding of what their collective assignments are. There's one
there's one portion from a coaching standpoint, where you have
to be comfortable and confident in your guy's ability to
be able to understand what you're running scheme wise.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
That might be his advantage.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Maybe the other guys aren't as far along in their
understanding of the defense as a whole, but maybe their
instincts are better, right, So maybe they're just swapped.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Maybe they're there, They're they're they're there.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
They positive for Murray is that he probably understands the
defense and maybe the other guys don't, right, But the
positives for the other guys is that they probably have
better instincts and better run fits.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
And maybe obviously Kenth Murray just is having a rough
time with that.
Speaker 13 (44:48):
So if you can't get to the spot, if they
don't read it, cred they have the ability, the athletic
ability to run to that spoty exactly, And.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
I'm just throwing that out there right That may or
may not be the case. But for me, if I
were I don't coach linebackers, but if I were to
coaching Kenneth Murray, regardless of how long he's been in
the league, I would ask him to put in more
time on film because sometimes your eyes can betray you,
and that's why you have to spend so much time
on film to assist you in that regard.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Okay, let's get to at least one more collar.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
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See you're not blocked, hoodie.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (45:29):
I noticed that. What's going on? What's going on Titans
and this Cowboys space. I'm happy to be on with
you guys as usual, and I'm saying I just want
to throw some things out there. I'll make it quick.
I don't think Ryan Floyd Moore is getting a much
love or getting getting enough love, And I don't think
Dak Prescott is getting enough love for what he actually
(45:50):
had to do in that Detroit game. Yes, the two interceptions.
They're problematic, but those two interceptions were not on him.
I love the fact that Jentlen squirts through about four
interceptions last night and had his uh shortcomings if you will,
and uh yeah, I'm just I'm hoping that we can
take advantage. If the Eagles continue to melt down like
(46:11):
you know, Chernobyl, and we continue to ascend like the
rockets that we are, then I think we'll be in
a good spot. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna donald
too long. Just want to say what's up to my boys?
You know, the Titans in the space, and I'm always
happy to be home with y'all.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Thanks for the call. Patrick. How do you feel about
Ryan Flanoy?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Well, first of all, I don't know why y'all trying
to Sitney swinging me over here?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
But rifleinoy day one, Flow rider flow high. Listen and
listen closely, Isaiah standback. Who wants to draft a receiver
in the first round? I shan't let you do it.
I shan't, I say, because you got Ryan Flinoyd. And
when you got Ryan Flinoy, dammit you a chance. Okay, seriously, man,
(47:03):
all jumps aside, Ryan Flinoy, he's blossoming in year two.
He's showing you that if push comes to shove, he
can get you one hundred yards and some critical plays
in important games. Just got to make sure that you're
utilizing him correctly and putting him into the spots to succeed.
But this is a guy who has refined his route running.
He's an athletic freaks. He's yards after to catch, he's
(47:25):
shedding tackles, he's physical with getting guys off of him,
stiff arms running around him. He'll run through you. He'll
high point the ball in the taket at its highest point.
He's a violent guy at the line of scrimmage. So
if you want to press him, do so at your
own peril. Might not end well for you and the
family that's watching you. Hoping you have a good day
in that particular rip. So yeah, Ryan Flinoy, Yeah, kind
(47:46):
of good at American football. Appreciate that.
Speaker 11 (47:48):
DM.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's it, Mic Drop, Mike Drop, Congratulations Patrick, well done, dude.
You've been on the Ryan Flinoy high tops and he's
been giving Flanoy his flowers since he was rafted.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Seriously, thank you, highly, highly impressive eyes.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
The photos for those that are listening on our audio
only or even that couldn't really see it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
In terms of the boxes.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
We pushed all of our mics to Patrick in the
middle of the phone call, and then I had to
somehow get it back to Pat because he was on
his phone halfway through the phone call, and I don't
even know if he was asked.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I was listening to you, did hear it? But I
was also replying to our good friend Nicole Hutcheson. She
was asking me about a programmed note for the next
thing that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
But the uh, we pushed all our mics over there,
and the photos that are going to come out here
in a little bit are really funny, so you'll enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
All right.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
That does it for us here on talking cow. Well,
we got the seven, got the seventh. If you want
to count the one that dropped, we could say eight.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
We got to eight, all right, we got to eight.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
We took the call. He was just gone, so he.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Just destroy the whole set, just pushed it all away.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
That's unfortunate for Patrick.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
No see Walker, Ash Rodriguez, Isaiah standback, Chris Beaven the
back join us tomorrow. We'll have Cowboys QB vision. So
we take a look at the Minnesota scoutings. Yeah, it's
time to scout the vikings tomorrow, who, of course took
down the commanders who we need to win.
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Go commanders, baby, get it done, I guess. Please let's
keep it going all right then, class, we'll see you
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Who is that that said? Beam butters them up and
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It was a caller, wasn't it. I don't butter people
on the phone.
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We know that's the joke.
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You're very aware of this, absolutely not.
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I love it, though, should you throw eggs.
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Stinky?
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Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right, Pat, Let's get into some news and notes
so we can maybe even take some calls here in
this first whoa boy?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And there's not a ton of news and notes. We
talked about the injuries on yesterday and Ceedee Lamb, Trayvon Diggs,
Daveon Clowney, Tyler guy In, those being the headliners. Jerry
Jones spoke with one O five three the fan today,
didn't offer much insight into either of them, just basically
saying if he can get you know two of those
three being guy In, Ceedee Lamb and Jenevion Clowney, that
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cowboys will be in a good.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Spot forthcoming written by Tommy.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I feel that's obvious. So we don't know where they
are right now versus where they were yesterday. But as
of yesterday, just to reiterate, Ceedee Lamb has made progress
within the concussion protocol. He still needs to pass his
benchmarks in order to clear that. Jenevion Clowney is expected
to take the field against the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, Cowboys
(03:56):
missed him in Detroit. Absolutely, Yes, Tyler Guy is on
right to return against the Minnesota Vikings as well.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Very nice.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
So that's that's where they are with the injury front now.
Trayvon Diggs another part of the injury front. Jerry Jones
said to One on five through the Fan this morning
that he turns out he was a game time decision
last week against the Detroit Lions. So that tells you
just how close they were to getting Trayvon Diggs activated
from injured reserve. That tells me that you know, he
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has an equal or better chance of that occurring this
week against the Vikings. Now the Cowboys are going to
look closely at him during practice. I did find it
interesting that Jerry Jones said there are quote unquote a
lot of eyes on Trayvon Diggs in practice this week,
and then he immediately kind of softened that by saying
not in a negative way, little fly fishing.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Kind of heard you there, Okay, why fly fishing? Fly fishing?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You throw it out there, you bring it right back,
bring it back.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
We kind of heard you there, Jair.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So when's the last time you went fly fish?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Never?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You've never been fly standing and bodies of water that
I can't see in. It's not a thing that people
like me get into.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You're in the wrong place. You gotta find like a
nice like creek or something, but see the bottom.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And you've never seen a video of anybody like me
standing in a body of water fish and getting attacked
by a catfish.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You're not getting attacked by a catfish. If anything, your
ankles get not on by like an alligator go roading.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Have you seen those teeth?
Speaker 11 (05:28):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Would you feel it happened to me? I used to
fly fish all the time. Oh yes, it's like one
of my hobbits.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You've been not on that now.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Here, Bro, you're standing in my ankles.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I've never been.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Would you try it?
Speaker 11 (05:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
You know what, because I'm from coastal Georgia and water moccasins.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Or of things.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, like, why would I why why would I do that?
I did?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There was one time as me and a buddy of mine,
and there was just a straight up rattlesnake or not
a rattle, a copperhead that like swam in between us.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I'm shooting up the whole pond.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh yeah, it was legit. It was in Waco, of course,
opper head.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I don't know if it was.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I can't remember if it was.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
A copper but it was.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was gonna say. All you would have seen me
is that that cartoon silhouette smoke where I used to be.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Y'all would have thought it was Jesus. I definitely would
have been walking on water.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So yeah, So Jerry Jones said, a lot of eyes
are on Trayvon Diggs. We'll see if he makes it
back to the field this week and to kind of
throw some some more chum in the water.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
You know what did you do there?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
You caught that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Regarding the linebacker situation, this is something that we've talked about.
This is something that the family starting to pick up
on and kind of have a rally cry for and
or against, depending on which side of that equation you're on. I,
for one, am on the side of what the hell
is Logan Wilson not playing playing?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Is it a calf?
Speaker 11 (07:03):
No?
Speaker 12 (07:03):
No, no no.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So Jerry Jones spoke to it, and I was actually
pleasantly surprised to see how how noncommittal he was to Yeah,
he was noncommittal to the K nine equation. So they
asked him straight up, they said, you know what's going
on with Logan Wilson? Could it be a ramp up thing?
So Jery he colored his commentary with it being a
(07:26):
ramp up, But if you listen, go back and listen
to what he was actually saying, it sounds like he's
saying we're going to expected to see more Logan Wilson
as early as this week. Because he kept saying that
that's what you brought Logan Wilson in for, was competition
to compete with Kender Mary, to compete at that spot.
And then he said, well, you know it's his fourth
game ramp up. Okay cool. So all of that being said,
(07:47):
I ah expect to see more Logan Wilson this week.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So do you truly believe that it was just a
mental capacity thing in terms of absorbing the actual.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I mean, no, he was the green dot on his
first game against the Raiders and played the majority of
this just trying to do.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
A process of he's he's healthy, he's healthy, and he understands.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But I'll just have guys politics.
Speaker 13 (08:17):
May I for one moment, just, uh does fluce? What
is flu seeing from Kenneth Murray that you were not
seeing out of Logan Wilson in his limited time on
the field, even James for.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That, Why is the sun not covered in ice? I
don't know, like that not even to be because I'm
just being playful with Josh, of course, but seriously, like
I don't know, like objectively speaking, there have been pockets
of games where Murray has played well. Pockets though, right so,
like a couple of weeks or so ago, the PBu
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that created the tip drill interception, things like that. There
have been pockets right before the most part, if you
look at the body of his work, and not to
beat up on the guy, but let's just talk the
science of it. If you're looking at the body of
work in the Cowboys uniform, it's just been very not great. Okay,
on the whole, there have been pockets of good football,
but for the most part, it's like, no, no, no,
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that's why you went and got Logan Wilson in the
first place, because Kenneth Murray had been playing up to standard.
Because keep in mind, you traded for Murray as well,
so if Murray had been playing up the standard, also
knowing he has to deliverage of being a guy who
you traded for, then you're not trading for Logan Wilson
at the trade deadline. But you went and did that,
So then to make that move, and three games in
(09:37):
be asking the question, why is Logan Wilson not seeing
the reps that he needs to see. I don't have
a logical, legitimate answer for that. I just don't three
games plus other than the week that you other than
coaches have their guys. Yeah, which is to say, if
Jack Samborn wasn't on U wasn't dealing with the groin
injury Insideline probably still be seeing some Jack Samborne other.
Speaker 13 (10:00):
But do you think having a mini buy in between
all of that, And of course Jerry Jones now saying
that we're probably going to see more Logan Wilson having
a mini buy buy in between, that makes it a
little more understandable that they wanted to give him more
time to understand the defense.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Did Quentina Williams get a ramp up?
Speaker 12 (10:17):
No?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Okay, but does it does he need one necessarily at
that position?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But is Logan Wilson and one of the green flags
for Logan Wilson coming in and a saying that he
should be able to get get kind of thrown out
there exactly high football like you, and he's a veteran.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Yeah, it's been how many games? Three? Three games plus
the week? Yeah, so four weeks?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So why why is the sun not covered?
Speaker 13 (10:44):
But you had three games in eleven days during that time.
I mean, I think part of that is I think
what bad timing exactly for for all.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Of that to kind of go down.
Speaker 13 (10:54):
But this bye, if we're expecting to see more of
them than I'm like, all right, well, I'm.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Kind of with you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm not freaking out for not I'm not freaking out
right now.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's the question, though, it's it's definitely it's a quiable question. Sure,
So that's what I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
But I don't think it's something to panic about this second, Like,
but you have to.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Fans and analysts who are demanding clarity. Are right in
doing so? Is all I'm saying, Oh yeah, we're justified
in the manny clarity. If it were a situation where
they were ramping up a guy like Quinn Williams, then
then it'd be like, oh, well, okay, what are we doing?
This is not that, but this is most certainly at
(11:35):
least a can we get an actual answer as to
why this is the case.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And the answer you got today was no, no, it's
not so.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Again, this isn't to beat up on Kenneth Murray as
much as it is to say you traded for Logan Wilson.
Why is Logan Wilson not and you traded for him
to compete with Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
You also drafted a couple of linebackers too, Chamar and Marris.
I don't get two stars.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
They got Marris chained to a radiot.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
You know what radio, because he's a dog.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You talk about pockets of good and pockets are bad.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Though the majority of the pockets of good of Marit
has been on special teams, and the majority of the pockets.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Are bad have been on defense. And you know what's
crazy that he hasn't played.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
The majority of the pockets on good last year we're
on defense. Yeah, then the question becomes, what's the disconnect
between mars and system. That's the question. Yeah, there's something,
there's something not not jobbing there.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So coy Isaiah, Okay, eating your your fruit.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
And say that.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Finish with BlackBerry sir.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, why are you eating in the middle of the show.
Because I am a healthy guy. Oh my god, my
body is my temple.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I have development.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Position of coaches have a responsibility oftentimes analysts and fans.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
We look direct at the simply the athlete.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Not enough emphasis is being placed on the development of
players by position coaches. It's something I speak on frequently.
You said, we can't just continue to not see productivity
out of specific position groups and not have accountability had
(13:24):
for the coaches that are responsible for those position groups.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So for the linebackers, who would be Dave Borganzi, he's
the linebackers coach. Should there be a conversation about Borganzi?
Not necessarily like moving on from but accountability.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, like this.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
You had a Damon Clark, we drafted, they figured it
didn't work out. Damon walks out. We're sitting here talking
about Marristle. If we drafted, saying that he's not clicking
the linebacker position, not seeing the field. Jamar James, we
drafted not seeing him on the field the way in
which we were talking about we continue talking about other veterans.
(14:04):
Usually when you draft guys, you want to see them
on the field. But those are three guys, not all
in the same category, but all three guys that have
been invested in in terms of draft equity that we
haven't seen the productivity that you we would like to see.
I can't say that completely for Shamar James. I really
liked him as a player right now. Yeah, I understand
(14:27):
he's a rookie too, for sure, And obviously these other
guys are have a couple more years.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
On their route.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
But in totalities are guys that we drafted and then
did not see the development out of to date today.
Regardless of the timeline, whether you're a rookie or whether
you're a damon right into your third fourth year, whatever
it is, I have questions about the development of particular
position groups.
Speaker 12 (14:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
We said the same thing about defensive line. Right, there's
individuals that we drafted and it weren't developed, right, So,
like there has to be a responsibility placed on these coaches,
not calling him matam Well, they equally deserve the scrutiny
or the analysis that we place on the players. If
you're not seeing a consistent productivity out of the whole group,
(15:12):
it can't just always be the players.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
And I would put a lot of that, hold on,
hold on, hold on. I would put a lot of
that on.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
The previous coaching staff, not the current coaching staff do too,
especially with when it comes to the defensive line that
you're talking about. Also with Maris Leafel, even though he
did ball out and he played well and he was
able to develop, and then you're talking about what was
the third name we're thinking of, Demon Clark, that was
the other guy you were talking about. I put that
(15:38):
more on the previous coaching staff up until this point.
Maris is the one question mark that I have just
because of the scheme and the flip of a scheme,
and he didn't forget to play defense year exactly. So
I think he just probably doesn't fit the same way
that we thought he would with coach Ibra Flus or
with Borganzi or whatever it may be. I don't necessarily
put all of that lack of development on this coaching
(16:02):
staff because they've been here just as long as a
lot of these players have the same thing with I mean,
Shamar James and Dave Burgonzi have been here with the
exception of about two months, the same amount of time.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So it's gonna take a little bit of time for
those guys to develop.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You're not developing Kenneth Murray, You're not developing Jack Sambourne.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Those are guys that you still need, They still need help.
I agree that what I'm saying, So when we look
at the group as a whole, that's what I'm saying.
Both staffs.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
All I'm saying is that it's not all on one person,
not not on one That's exactly my point, right, it's
not all on one staff.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
But we've had two staffs with Damon didn't work out.
We've had two staffs with Maryor's Lee foul doesn't seem
to be working because he doesn't fit the scheme.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Now we've had one staff with Shamar James. He's not
on the field, in.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Which we hope they continue to find other people to
put in front of him. They trade for Murray not
working out the way people thought. They trade for Logan Wilson.
We're still waiting.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
So I'm there's a trend here, Yeah, there's a trend.
I can't I can't help but identify the trend.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It's either likely development, or they don't fit the scheme,
or they need more time, like there's something somebody clicking.
Speaker 13 (17:06):
Another big part of that is that the defensive scheme changed.
You only have two linebackers on the field at a
time now, and are you taking to Marvin overshon off
the field right now? The only question mark right now
is Kenneth Murray and his the the amount of time
that they're giving him on the field and the fact
that he's not necessarily he's reading the play just fine,
but he's getting himself out of position. So why not
(17:28):
then supplement those reps for Logan Wilson, a guy that
you traded for, but like you traded for, Maris is
right there?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Here's this year you overshown. Okay, you're not taking Overshow
off the field? No, you're not, absolutely not. Has Overshown
played the entire season?
Speaker 12 (17:45):
No?
Speaker 11 (17:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Okay, Before Overshown came back, we having the same question
mark about why san Born And yes, okay, so you
mean to tell me that. Let me put it this way,
I forgot there's a common denominator. Yes, be it overshown
available or uneva. Be it Sanborn versus Meyrist or Kenneth
Murray versus Logan Wilson versus Merrist. Yeah, Chamar James, there's
(18:10):
a coming thrid for sure this entire season. Yes, And
the question is what's the thrid? Yeah, I'd love to
hear fans weighing only it's true. I mean, who would
you start a linebacker?
Speaker 5 (18:20):
That's the question. No, that ain't that's the question. The question.
The question is why is it? Why is that nobody's clicking?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Why is it that we have an excuse for every
single person that we just listed. When we drafted two
guys over the last two years at that position, right,
or is it three three guys, whatever it might be,
we trade it for two and we signed one free agent,
and none of them are panning out the way you
want it.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
None. But it's the players.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And now you've got some guys up front that can
can hold up their blocks and do their thing at
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How about the uh how about the Chargers?
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How about those Chargers?
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And how about Jalen Hurts? Well done, dude, Yeah that
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Speaker 3 (22:06):
Let's get to Mike in New York, our first caller, Mike,
what's going on?
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Dude?
Speaker 10 (22:10):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (22:11):
Guys?
Speaker 10 (22:11):
I was happy about the Eagles losing, but I was
I know, Dallas had an they you know, they played
the Lions and it was just like they took a
step back. I mean, I feel like they didn't play
aggressive as they did when they played the Chiefs. I mean,
I know, it's the NFL, it's as we talk about
it every week, it's week league. It's just just, you know,
we I don't know, we just SI. I don't know
(22:32):
what it was. I don't know what it was. Everybody, everybody.
We didn't play well. Defense, I mean, offense didn't do
too bad, but they you know, I mean Dak obviously
didn't have the time that he normally has. It's just
but the defense, they just they didn't play well.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I agree, Mike, appreciate the call as always, kind of
just outlined what we talked about on Friday, talk about
how the offense didn't play well, defense didn't play well,
special teams didn't play well. It was an uncomplimentary football,
uncomplimentary at its finance.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Is that a word? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (23:06):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Don't you google it?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Cut I probably did.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Liquidity.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, liquidity is a word. Give I gave you credit there.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I don't know if it is what I do, but yes,
I agree, Mike, and hopefully they're able to turn that
around this week.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Let's go to Jason in New Jersey, Jason, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
What's up? Guys?
Speaker 17 (23:23):
Super super excited to be on the show. Thank you
so much for taking my call. I am in Eagles territory,
so I have to do this stuff all the time.
I just want to say, you guys have the best
well rounded show and I love it. Thank you so
much for all you do. Uh Isaiah, Super proud of
you man. I've been watching you for a long time.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 17 (23:42):
Yes, sir, I just want to say so no Ce,
Like space is cold, the sun is hot. But I
want to know can the Cowboys be that new clear
giant to make it to the playoffs?
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Do you still believe?
Speaker 17 (23:55):
Love you guys, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Good question there, Jason.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
Do you believe the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh wait, do we hey avert your eyes fandomly in
the chat, we're gonna say the P word.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Playoff to get there? You got a long way to go,
got to win for it. But the math is working
in your favor. The Chargers defeated the Eagle.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Ky, No, I'm not being I'm saying to.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Answer the caller. He wants to know if we believe
the math, says you have a right to believe. You
have four games left, you only one and a half
games behind, You have two more divisional games left. The
Eagles are falling apart. Looks like the Cowboys broke them
with that twenty one point come back.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So you have a reason to believe. The Cowboys just
need to give you more of a reason to believe.
Effect of this Sunday against the vik.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I think there is reason to believe. But my gosh,
there's a lot that has to go your way. You
gotta win all four. Then the Eagles who play the Raiders,
the Commanders, the Bills, and the Commanders again. The Bills
game you could probably count as a possible Los Commanders.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You need.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You need the Eagles to slip up against one of
the worst teams in the NFL on three different occasions,
twice against the Commanders and once against the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Happen. So it needs to happen in order for you
to even have a shot. The Commanders, and they just
got they just got their butts.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Whooped by the bike shutout who had a four game
losing streak, and beat them thirty one in the matchups.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So you're saying they need to bounce back.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I would show I believe in commanders when it comes
against the against the Eagles, I do. I love Vegas.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Say no, you want it, you better believe in the
Commanders when they played. That's fine, but I'm not gonna
taint the class.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Come on, let's go to Nebbie in Silver Spring, Maryland.
We've got Nebbie on the line. Nebby knows ball. What's up, dude?
Speaker 11 (25:55):
Uh Hi, Kyle, how are you? Thank you so much
for taking my call? Uh? And I just want to
say that you guys took the word right out of
my mouth because uh uh I was gonna say that
(26:17):
I've been doing the math uh and.
Speaker 12 (26:22):
I I.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (26:26):
In order for us to win the NFC East h
I and make the playoffs, we have to win out
uh I I uh and the Philadelphia Eagles have to
(26:48):
lose uh uh two of their remaining four games. Uh
uh uh. Not likely to happen, considering who the Eagles
have remaining on their schedule. However, it is possible. We
(27:28):
just have to take things one game at a time,
take care of our own business, and the rest will
take care of itself. Take care thank you so much
for being patient with me. I have a great week Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes. I love the way he outlined that at the end,
and it's kind of what Isaiah was talking to last week.
As long as they take it one game at a time,
I feel like they have a shot. They should win
these games. The Chargers game is gonna be the tough,
tough one. That's the toughest one remaining.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
They're familiar with those games and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Playing them at home, so you've got you've got that
at your factor. I think you've got you've got a
likelihood to win the final four games. You just need
the Eagles to slip up twice.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You just knew and it could happen.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
That's hard to do.
Speaker 13 (28:24):
But they have a championship caliber defense absolutely, like you
saw it on display last ast night.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
They refuse to lose that game.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
They turned it over five times and twice in one play.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, and gave shortfield to Justin Herbert, who's been one
of the best quarterbacks and one of the best offenses
in the Chargers all year. And they gave up nineteen
points in regulation and lost in all seven sacks on
Justin Herbert. Yeah, I agree with you. Just gonna be tough,
and I we think in Marcus Mariota, and I mean,
who knows if Jayden Daniels is still gonna play.
Speaker 13 (28:57):
And I don't want to burst our bubble heat because
the Dallas Cowboys have elements of that. They can be
a championship level offense, but you have not seen it
consistently enough. And a big part of that is your
offensive line. You have the weapons, there's no doubt about it,
no doubt you have Dak Prescott, but can you afford
him enough time against championship caliber defenses? Because if we're
(29:20):
talking about getting into the playoffs, Okay, who you playing
in the first round?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Is it going to be Seattle? Is it going to
be Green Bay? Again?
Speaker 13 (29:28):
The Rams like, are you telling me that you feel
confident with this offensive line going up against those defensive lines?
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Say forty nine ers for ten dollars place?
Speaker 13 (29:36):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that'd be great in a perfect world,
But I don't know necessarily that you're built for that
quite yet.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I mean, going to the Eagles side of the equation,
there's no denying their defense. No, I have a defense,
but their offense can lose them. Three of these knicks,
four games. Yeah, I agree, That's That's what I'm saying.
So you make a good point. Yeah, say, well, can
you think Mark Mariota, I don't know, doubtful, right, But
flip the coin. Do you think Jalen Hurts and this
(30:06):
offense can beat the Commander's defense?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
They I know, their offensive line is kind of a
mess right now, but they at least have Barkley and
they still have Davante Smith and A J. Brown can
put up one hundred yards if they throw them the
football they did throw Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Did his thing.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
A Brown has one hundred plus receiving yards in each
of the last three games that they've lost.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And you know what else he had. He was also
a key reason that they did right. They dropped the ball,
dropped the ball, created one of the iron tis And
I will give Hurts this much credit. That ball, that
deep ball, perfect God chargers. That that could have broke
the game. That was that was it ran the hands hands.
So again, yeah, throw So the offense for the Eagles
(30:50):
who lose them these games. They lose one, you think so,
but are they going to lose two?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
They just lost one?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
No, No, they they they need to lose two more.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I think they'll lose bills. They'll lose bills, and they'll
lose to Washington at least.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
All right, Let's go to one more callar before we
take our second break. Robert in California?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
What up?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Robert up? Robert drop?
Speaker 11 (31:14):
No?
Speaker 12 (31:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (31:17):
What's up? Bruce in Philadelphia? Bruce, he didn't have a
T and T.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
What's up?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
What's up?
Speaker 14 (31:23):
Man? How's it going?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Appreciate you, bro?
Speaker 14 (31:27):
I know, man, it is bedlam up here.
Speaker 11 (31:29):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 14 (31:30):
It's a beautiful. I had I gotta listen to my
fellows over here, but to listen.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
To Philly sports.
Speaker 14 (31:37):
Talk radio when the Eagles like this, it is sane.
I mean, you got people want to jump bridges and everything.
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Let me let me share something with you, Bruce.
Speaker 13 (31:47):
One of my favorite things to do after the Eagles
lose is whenever I go to sleep, I listened to
Eagles podcasts and listen to the whine about losing.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
It is my favorite thing.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hate listen.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
It is music to my ears.
Speaker 13 (32:00):
Please I encourage and every time the Eagles lose, please
just check out any of their podcast because they're all insane.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I'm not giving them the numbers.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
I mean I do it on a separate accountant on
the dark incognito mode. No, it's great, thank you, Bruce.
Speaker 14 (32:17):
Yeah, hey, guys, listen, I had a question, like I
think one of the things that just overlooked is, like
you know, in terms of well the Coweys didn't play
as well against the Tray as they played those previous
three games, you really can't underestimate the ability for Dak
Prescott to make those changes at the line, particularly with
(32:37):
the tackles. When he's making those line calls and changing
plays when they're home, obviously it's a whole different viob
And how much if you guys could just chime it,
it just let the cause. And how much is that
a factor in terms of his ability to change calls
or get us into the perfect play where he can
do that more so at home and maybe so much
not on the road. So I see the lack of
(32:58):
aggressiveness sometimes with the play calling on the road. And
also the other question I had, and I you know
I can listen off line, is are we talking about
two playoff spots at at that may be for grads
that any here. We know about the NFC East one
in terms of winning division.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
But the Bears. I know the Bears have non.
Speaker 14 (33:19):
Wins now, but I think three of their last four
games too look really daunting and it seems to me
that you're either going to win ten games or eleven games,
and the Cowboys being at ten six and one, they
may have a chance at one of those wildcard spots
or do today. I'll listen offline. Good listen to you guys.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Thank you, Bruce.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Good call, Bruce. I'm going to start with Isaiah on
the quarterback thought.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Changing the play at the line of scrimmage easier on
the on the road or easier at home? And does
it affect it one way or the other From a
play calling standpoint, changing the play is obviously easier than
the less noise there is, sure in the communication, but
there's so many things that are non verber cues now
it really doesn't shouldn't have impact you that much.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
There's things that you do in practice, layering music, blaring speakers,
whatever it might be. Crowd noise that prepare you now
is not going to be the same exact thing as
in the game. But majority of your verbal communication goes
towards your offensive lineman, your tight end, and you're running back,
so you can. That's why you see quarterbacks walk up
talk to those guys, and everybody else gets hand signals.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Okay, and then the second point about the Bears. I'm
looking at their final four games Browns, Packers, forty nine Ers, Lions,
So I agree with him. Three of the four are
pretty daunting. But if they win one more, then they
would be ten. That would get them the ten and seven.
If they win it, Yeah, if they win it and
(34:38):
they only win one more, you're a ten and seven,
So you would get in.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
If you win all four of yours and they only
win one more.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's a lot of hope for you need them to
slip up three times against formidable competition, or you need
Philadelphia to slip up once against Philadelpior, once against Buffalo,
and then once against the not so forth, a.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Better chances are to try to take this division, I think.
So that's what I focus on. Try to take the
and if you happen in trying to take the division,
if you happen to accidentally fall into a wildcard, great
take it. But you got to aim for the division,
not the world.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I think that's kind of where we're at.
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Speaker 9 (38:29):
So I got to watch the game, and the difference
I saw between the defenses is the Lion's defense was
was always trying to strip the ball. They were going
after the ball with our offensive guys, and that was
prevalent with the turnovers. And it didn't seem like our
(38:49):
defense was really trying to do that. They were. They
were more more focused on tackling, it seemed like to me.
So I was kind of wondering from from your guys,
because I appreciate the fact that you guys get to
watch films, is that something that our defense is prioritizing
is going after the ball and trying to get takeaways.
Speaker 12 (39:15):
Go for it.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Thanks for the call, first of all, man, Yeah, I
mean yeah, all defenses prioritize trying to take the ball away.
So I'm not going to sit up here and accuse
our defense of not doing the same. It's just so
be it that certain situations a lot for you to
go after the ball more so than others. For instance,
the punch out, I think that Campbell had the tackle
was already secured. The tackle was secured, so all his
(39:39):
job now is to come. Since the tackle is already secured,
he has the ability to now come out and just
simply try to punch at the ball. Your number one
priority is to get the man down. Number two. If
you're in a position to get them down and you
secure the tackle, then you try to go for the
chicken strip.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
So that is kind of how.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Most teams teach it.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I can't speak to what the Cowboys do, but I
know that we've seen them in training camps, them in
pre practice.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
It is a point of emphasis for sure.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
I mean I listening to Shoddy over the last couple
of weeks talk about the turnover differential and like just
being frustrated by it, obviously because the turnovers are not
quite there for the defense like he wants them to be,
like anybody wants them to be, right, But I don't
have any doubt that there's an emphasis on it. And
you have a lot of playmakers, including Deron Bland, who
is efficient at making those interceptions and being able to
(40:25):
be a ballhawk, right, But you're not seeing it click
this year. But I think a lot of that is
the communication struggles that they've had all season with the
defense and having to change the scheme midway through the season.
I think the more you're able to get these guys
playing time. Like we're talking about getting Logan Wilson involved,
getting players that you're not really seeing a lot on
the field right now. I think the more different looks
(40:47):
that you get on defense, the more opportunities like that
will come about.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I mean, bottom liney is just exactly what you guys
are saying, like priority number one has to be getting
got to the ground has to be because when you
prioritize punching the ball away over that, what you start
to see is something that played the Cowboys more often
than not, your with your mistackles. So coaches, if they're
coaching it the right way, it's about getting the guy
(41:12):
wrapped up and then the free runner he's the one
that should come in and punch at it while the guy.
So if you have the guy, if you're the first
one to the guy, you're taking him down prooraby one.
Get that guy to the ground, and while you're on
the way to the ground, shirt kind of jab at
the ball. But it should never be the other way around.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
I'm talking about rally to the ball. That is a
term that's brought up a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And just swarm to it.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
You have to be able to do that and the seasons.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Did he like this?
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Let's go to Eric in North Carolina. Eric, you're on
Talking Cowboys.
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What's going on?
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What's up guys? First time? Hey, I admire you guys. Guys,
you guys are something to Some of the reasons why
I like that is Cowboys, sports media, the podcast, met
the stuff you guys give us on the web, website,
in the app, it's second to none. You gotta twitch
your money where your mouth is. Y'all walk the walk,
(42:08):
and I just gotta give y'all flowers. Now I'm a
normal I will I'm a normal guy with a regular
with hanging with the boards on me and Shannon Groves
and my dog just know because you know, But I
just want to, you know, say that you guys want
to make my little quick comment man, keep up the work,
keep up the good work, y'all color commentary. You guys
(42:29):
do doing those games. You know, Isaiah and Kyle, you
guys are just top quality, five star material.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
Man. I appreciate man, and I do.
Speaker 12 (42:40):
Want my companies about Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (42:43):
I don't want to trash pile up on a guy,
but you know the take he's been putting out all
year long. It's just so disturbing you overrunning places like
he's he said that those plays miss tackles. He's in
the spot, the right place, the right john, not finishing
the place one of itself out of play. Not see.
What I'm talking about is what is the issue where
(43:05):
he's getting those reps? Why isn't one of lead farm
I've seen. I guess he know youth like you behind him.
I don't know, but I just feel like if we
can just solidify that that live back spot man, you know,
finishing plays like you guys just said, you know, getting
guys on the ground, man, diagnose the planes, keeping guys
in the long distance, down the distance and third down.
(43:27):
If we could just get that, man, I feel like
we're gonna make a hell of a one. But you know,
once again, thanks God taking my call. If you guys
keep bringing the thunder, I'm gonna keep listening, man, Cowboys
for life.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yes, sir, sure, I appreciate you.
Speaker 11 (43:41):
Man.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
What do you think like positive affirmations?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
There?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Ye, a lot of them do that all the time.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I think we hit on a lot of it earlier
in the show. So I keep this one short. We
don't truly know what they're but they're talking about in
those mining rooms. We really just don't write, so.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
We don't know halfway what they're doing in practice.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Yeah, we don't know what they're doing there.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
We don't know the capacity or where the other linebackers
that he's competing with are at in their development and
their understanding of what their collective assignments are. There's one
there's one portion from a coaching standpoint, where you have
to be comfortable and confident in your guy's ability to
be able to understand what you're running scheme wise.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
That might be his advantage.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Maybe the other guys aren't as far along in their
understanding of the defense as a whole, but maybe their
instincts are better, right, So maybe they're just swapped.
Speaker 5 (44:34):
Maybe they're there, They're they're they're there.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
They positive for Murray is that he probably understands the
defense and maybe the other guys don't, right, But the
positives for the other guys is that they probably have
better instincts and better run fits.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
And maybe obviously Kenth Murray just is having a rough
time with that.
Speaker 13 (44:48):
So if you can't get to the spot, if they
don't read it, cred they have the ability, the athletic
ability to run to that spoty exactly, And.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
I'm just throwing that out there right That may or
may not be the case. But for me, if I
were I don't coach linebackers, but if I were to
coaching Kenneth Murray, regardless of how long he's been in
the league, I would ask him to put in more
time on film because sometimes your eyes can betray you,
and that's why you have to spend so much time
on film to assist you in that regard.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Okay, let's get to at least one more collar.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
This is one of our faves as well, part of
the fan Molye hood he toush from the basement.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
See you're not blocked, hoodie.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 6 (45:29):
I noticed that. What's going on? What's going on Titans
and this Cowboys space. I'm happy to be on with
you guys as usual, and I'm saying I just want
to throw some things out there. I'll make it quick.
I don't think Ryan Floyd Moore is getting a much
love or getting getting enough love, And I don't think
Dak Prescott is getting enough love for what he actually
(45:50):
had to do in that Detroit game. Yes, the two interceptions.
They're problematic, but those two interceptions were not on him.
I love the fact that Jentlen squirts through about four
interceptions last night and had his uh shortcomings if you will,
and uh yeah, I'm just I'm hoping that we can
take advantage. If the Eagles continue to melt down like
(46:11):
you know, Chernobyl, and we continue to ascend like the
rockets that we are, then I think we'll be in
a good spot. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna donald
too long. Just want to say what's up to my boys?
You know, the Titans in the space, and I'm always
happy to be home with y'all.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Thanks for the call. Patrick. How do you feel about
Ryan Flanoy?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Well, first of all, I don't know why y'all trying
to Sitney swinging me over here?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
But rifleinoy day one, Flow rider flow high. Listen and
listen closely, Isaiah standback. Who wants to draft a receiver
in the first round? I shan't let you do it.
I shan't, I say, because you got Ryan Flinoyd. And
when you got Ryan Flinoy, dammit you a chance. Okay, seriously, man,
(47:03):
all jumps aside, Ryan Flinoy, he's blossoming in year two.
He's showing you that if push comes to shove, he
can get you one hundred yards and some critical plays
in important games. Just got to make sure that you're
utilizing him correctly and putting him into the spots to succeed.
But this is a guy who has refined his route running.
He's an athletic freaks. He's yards after to catch, he's
(47:25):
shedding tackles, he's physical with getting guys off of him,
stiff arms running around him. He'll run through you. He'll
high point the ball in the taket at its highest point.
He's a violent guy at the line of scrimmage. So
if you want to press him, do so at your
own peril. Might not end well for you and the
family that's watching you. Hoping you have a good day
in that particular rip. So yeah, Ryan Flinoy, Yeah, kind
(47:46):
of good at American football. Appreciate that.
Speaker 11 (47:48):
DM.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's it, Mic Drop, Mike Drop, Congratulations Patrick, well done, dude.
You've been on the Ryan Flinoy high tops and he's
been giving Flanoy his flowers since he was rafted.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Seriously, thank you, highly, highly impressive eyes.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
The photos for those that are listening on our audio
only or even that couldn't really see it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
In terms of the boxes.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
We pushed all of our mics to Patrick in the
middle of the phone call, and then I had to
somehow get it back to Pat because he was on
his phone halfway through the phone call, and I don't
even know if he was asked.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I was listening to you, did hear it? But I
was also replying to our good friend Nicole Hutcheson. She
was asking me about a programmed note for the next
thing that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
But the uh, we pushed all our mics over there,
and the photos that are going to come out here
in a little bit are really funny, so you'll enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
All right.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
That does it for us here on talking cow. Well,
we got the seven, got the seventh. If you want
to count the one that dropped, we could say eight.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
We got to eight, all right, we got to eight.
Speaker 9 (48:49):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
We took the call. He was just gone, so he.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Just destroy the whole set, just pushed it all away.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
That's unfortunate for Patrick.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
No see Walker, Ash Rodriguez, Isaiah standback, Chris Beaven the
back join us tomorrow. We'll have Cowboys QB vision. So
we take a look at the Minnesota scoutings. Yeah, it's
time to scout the vikings tomorrow, who, of course took
down the commanders who we need to win.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Go commanders, baby, get it done, I guess. Please let's
keep it going all right then, class, we'll see you
tomorrow with more talking Cowboys.
Speaker 10 (49:23):
Just win, no class.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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