"Are We Dating The Same Guy?" - Inappropriate or Indispensable? - Dating Kinda Sucks

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Hi, I'm Adam Heath Visible andI'm Sarah. This is the dCas Podcast,
a podcast about love, sex,culture, and society. This week
we'll be talking about the Facebook group. Are we dating the same guy?
Is it inappropriate or indispensable? Enjoythe show whether you're married, fingle,
or hanging on with mans fact ofyour place. Listen to us and begetting

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a tender and mumble up plenty ofyoung trying and trying and having to luck
because we all know dating kind ofsucks. Thanks for joining us for another
episode of Dating Kuna Sucks. Ifyou're new to DKs, my name is
Adam and I'm a comedian, writerand misogynist turn feminist, joined by my
co host Sarah, who is amillennial travel junkie and serial dater now in

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a committed relationship. We're not professionals, doctors, or experts, just two
people sharing our perspectives on the worldof dating, sex and relationships. The
first half of every episode is spentcatching up on what's happening in our lives,
and the second half is reserved forthe episode's main topic. So if
that's all that brought you here,you can skip through the halfway mark or
you can stick around and enjoy thewhole show. Let's get started, all

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right. So it's the middle ofMay. It's almost time for me to
leave Utah. It's almost time forus to have our meet up in Seattle.
I mean almost being a month anda half from now. But you
know, you're excited to leave Utah. I'm very excited to leave Utah,
but I'm also very excited to seewho shows up in Seattle. And I
think this is gonna be a fun, fun event. We actually have a

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lot more listeners than I think weanticipated who are in the Seattle Tacoma area.
So no excuses, really, that'sright, no excuses, and just
a you know, we're jumping rightin with this because we're really excited about
this event. It's gonna bet theGraduate Hotel on June twenty ninth. It's
a Thursday from six to eight pm. Well, it'll be like a little
cocktail hour and then we're going torecord, you know, a shortened episode,

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but you know, a live episode, probably take questions, So if
you have questions, it'd be agreat time to save those for them.
And it's free, so there's nocall to it all. We're gonna have
some merch to give away, andyou can actually reserve your tickets, so
you can look at the show notesfor the link and you can actually reserve
it. We'd love for you toactually make a reservation because we want to
make sure we know how many peopleare coming, so you know, if
you're going to come, bring afriend, bring ten friends. We want

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to want to pack the funk outof this place absolutely. And I know
last episode we didn't have a date, so to reiterate that is Thursday,
June twenty ninth, son, didwe not have a date? Last we
didn't know we didn't have a date. We were still in limbo on that.
But now that we have a finalizeddate, we have a finalized landing
page where you can sign up.And it's also important to note that a
lot of the times these podcast eventsactually cost something, you know, at

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least like fifteen dollars for a ticket. This is free, and it's going
to have giveaways and you know,our live show and you know, cocktails
for purchase or some kind of discountedother item and it's for free. So
if you're in the Seattle Tacoma areaand you can make it down Thursday,
once you finish work, we wouldgreatly appreciate it. We're going to try
to get as many people as wecan't out there. Also, we've been

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cooped up at home, both ofus, so we want to meet people
and be around others and answer yourquestions and just have fun altogether. And
we uh, you know, it'sover at eight, so you can go
home and go to bed early.You don't have to like Sarah well,
because Sarah will need to be youknow, gone by like eight thirty,
so if she's in bed, butby time, you know, by by
your bedtime, so you know,don't worry. We're gonna let you get

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out of her early. We're notgonna keep you late unless you want to
because I'll be staying up late.But you know this, it'll be it'll
be fun. It'll be like splittingup the Adams group and Sarahs group.
Sarah's group will go home and goto bed, but we can all just
respect if they want to leave earlyand be like, we get it your
parts. Let Sarah carew that's no. I might stay out a little later,
but it's not going to be atwo am crew five maybe you know
twenty five minutes after. That's notbad. I'll be like, all right,

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we'll be like the last meetup,you won't stay out that late.
Let's I guess that'll it'll be thattrue. Though, Well, that was
a Friday night. That was aFriday night. Number one and number two.
You influenced all of my bad OnceI started drinking and I was like,
let's just keep going, I waslike, well, I guess this
is happening. So oh, Iam pretty sure by the way that the
strip club was your idea that time. I was like, oh, what

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should we do? When you're like, should we go to the strip club?
And like you actually brought it upbecause we were kind of far from
there because we were all the wayin Lake Mary. Um, they're not
like Mary Altamont and uh Maitland area, and so that's true. You know,
it wasn't exactly like nearby, andyeah, because I just let's keep
this party going. Yeah, Ithink it was great though. That's that

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was where your brain went. Oh. Of course, by the way,
if you don't live in Seattle andyou are interested in trying to at least
I don't know, meet one ofus, I'm gonna be hitting the road
starting yes on tour by myself,just hitting just traveling a lot of places
for the next a few months beforeI decide where I'm gonna be living,

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which I'll talk talk about in asecond, I think, but I'm gonna
be in it in places I'm gonnabe in, um let's see, I'm
gonna be in Bend, Oregon beforewe get to Seattle. So if you
live in ben I'll be there.I'll be in quarter Lane, I'll be
in Denver, I'll be in TullSo I'll be in Memphis for almost a
month, and then I'm going tobe in the Nashville area, Knoxville,

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Baltimore as well, I think maybePittsburgh, and then I'll be kind of
down in Charlotte for a little bitand then Orlando. So if you live
anywhere near all those areas, umand you want to, uh you know,
find out what I'm gonna be there, let me know and uh,
you know, reach out in someway through one of the many ways you
can reach me and uh meet upand have a drink or something. Tickets
go on sale May nineteenth at ticketmasterdot com meat up with tickets. Tickets

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include one drink, a hug anda photo. I just set place a
little because Sarah made fun of me. Because I'm trying to plan out my
trip. I also to plan outhow much my airbnb's are going to cost.
And when I know I have likemoney coming in and so I can
kind of plan all my budgeting.Sarah, being very you know, retentive,

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has a wonderful Google you know sheetthat has every I don't think that
so right organized is the right wordsorganized. That's exactly what I met.
Organized. And she has all ofher expenses, you know, every time
she spends a penny, if shefinds a penny on the sidewalk, she
has a little spot where she couldput I found a penny on her on
her on her spreadsheet to mark makesure she keeps it down to the penny.

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And so so I was showing hermy budget, which is two sheets
of paper where I have it allin columns and yes, just lines crossed
out. It's it's just it's aterrible. So that's what that's what I'm
using as my travel guide right now. As these sheets of paper. No,
I made him a new spreadsheet,so now he can track all of

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his expenses. And now he's onthe right path to managing his finances.
So I'm very happy about that.I don't know, yes, no,
no, it's actually very helpful.It's been very helpful to help me with
budgeting, something that I've never beengood at, and I I have not
known what to do. Uh,it had no idea how to start.
So that was good. But yeah, so I'll be all over the place.
I'm leaving June second from Utah,and I plan on hitting Florida sometimes

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and I think end of October andthen I'll be in a Florida for a
little bit and then I'm going tobe moving somewhere and like I actually live
in somewhere. I have TBD,but I have two options right now,
and I thought i'd talked about thisfor a second to see if anybody has
any suggestions to you can always giveme your input because I'm going to be
kind of torn. There are theseplaces that are offering money for you to

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live there if you work remotely,which I do, and you can apply
and if you get accepted into theirprogram, then they will actually allow you.
They will pay you like ten thousanddollars to go live there for a
year. One of these places isTulsa, Oklahoma, and the other place
is called the Remote Shoals of Alabama. It's a three towns muscle Shoals Florence,

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Alabama and something else. I rememberthe third town Taylor something on a
hunter I don't know. Anyways,Alabama. Yeah, it's up by the
Tennessee River, right right across theborder from Tennessee. And there's also West
Virginia is also doing it too.But anyways, I applied to the Alabama
and Tulsa programs and other programs,but those two both interviewed me. Um,
and I've I've been tentatively accepted intoTulsa and I'm accepted into the Alabama

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one. And then I thought Iwould have a choice that I never thought
I would have to make. DoI live in fucking Oklahoma or do I
live in fucking Alabama. Those aretwo places that I've never never considered living.
And um, but if someone wantsto pay me to live there,
and I can live, you know, live anywhere, and it is actually
relatively cheap to live in both ofthose places, then I might be living

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in one of those two places aftermy travels are done. But um,
I need, I need to hearfrom from listeners. Um, if you
have any suggestions or thoughts on whatwould be a better place Tulsa, Oklahoma
or the remote shoals of Alabama,and why, because I am making a
pros and cons list, and I'lltell you they're kind of balancing out right
now with just as many cons aspros. I will be honest, but

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I don't know. So yeah,so you can email me or even call
hotline and let us know, andlet let us know your thoughts, like
I live in Florence it sucks,or I live in Tulsa, it's right,
don't move here, I guess yeah. Or it's beautiful or it's amazing,
or here's why you would like it, or here's things you would like
or you know you should it's agreat strip club near boy, you know
whatever. Like I just want toknow things that I might not be able

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to find out by googling or pullingup Google maps. Um, so I'm
gonna I'm gonna encourage you to callthe DCS outline if you have any any
thoughts on this said four oh sevenfive one nine zero one eight one,
and help me decide where I'm goingto live, you know, which city
I'm leading towards, right, Tulsa, I'm guessing I'm yeah, I'm leaning
towards Tulsa, middle of the country, bigger airport for travel. I think

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the infrastructure is probably going to bebetter than Muscle Shoals. Yeah, yeah,
there's that. That's the pros thatlike there. And I think there's
a bigger scene just in general.Oklahoma has even a comedy festival and I'm
working on new material right now,so i want to start working on that.
So there's you know, there's advantagesthere. Um, but then Alabama's

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like it's like a i'm all alittle like kind of town near a college,
so it's got like a bustling nightlifeand you know that there's some positives
there too. So I'm really kindof in this weird spot. It's on
the water, which I really like, you know that, the fact that
it's on the Tennessee River. Yeah, you got to both places into So
I'm gonna be touring Dulsa in Julyon my way across the country, and

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then I'm gonna try to after Memphis. I think I'm gonna try to dip
down into the Shoals and check thatarea. Out. Hopefully both of them
will allow me. You're like,won't be like pushing me to make a
decision. You know, I couldbe like, let me let me check
out both places first. But it'sa big decision to say I'm gonna up
and move whatever state I'm living inand move to the state, because I
think for a lot of the programstoo, they don't take residence from the

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state. They're looking for outside statesto move to their state. Yes,
yes, And then I've also realizedthat I have no idea how I'm going
to move my stuff from my storyto wherever it is. Well, wouldn't
you spend some of that ten thousanddollars to move? Well? Right?
But then I but I have oneI have a car, and my car
does not have a toe hitch,so I don't like, I can't toe

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anything behind it. It doesn't havea roof rack, so I can't put
anything on top of it. Sothe alternative is to rent a truck and
tow my car behind me. Oryou could hire movers to pack everything in
a truck and then drive the truck. I could do that. That might
be a little more extensive. Yeah, that's a see, I want to
maximize the money that they're giving becausebecause they don't give it all once.

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Either they give like, you know, a third of it or a little
bit of it. Then you know, most of it goes to the end.
They give it to you when youmake it. If you survive the
whole year, it's like a hundredhouse is what it is. It's like,
it's like, can you survive ayear in Tulsa. If you do,
we'll pay you ten thousand dollars.So well, I'm excited because this
is something I had looked into acouple of years back and then kind of

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chatted with you about. So Ilike that you're taking You got me into
it, yeah, because you whenyou found out about it and you were
like, oh yeah, this doesthis. And then I found a bunch
of other places that do it too, But none of them were places that
I would that were They were like, I want to say worse than because
that sounds rude, but they were. They were just like lower on my
list than Alabama and Oklahoma. AndI was just like, I we didn't
even bother applying, so fair enough. Yeah, So, so what's going

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on in your life? Well,A funny way off topic question than what
we were just talking about. Howbig do you think my boves are?
How big do I think yours?What bra do you think I were?
This is so okay, this isa weird question, but that's a point.
I'm like, Okay, no,I'll just tell you what I'm doing.
By the way, I'm just goingback in my head. You're not

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looking at no, no, no, I'm just I'm thinking back in my
head like the kid. At timesi've seen you like a sports bra and
things like that, I would sayyou could just get thirty four C.
Really okay. So I've always beenthirty four B for as long as I
can remember. And so the reasonI asked this is because I've been shopping

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a lot online to purchase stuff forsummer trips and this Alaskan cruise, and
I don't really have any bathing suitsthat I love my body in, and
I think my ass has gotten bigger, so like all my workout classes,
and I'm just trying to find newbathing suits and things like that. So
I so I ordered a bathing suitthat's supposed to be really good or like
the company is supposed to be reallygreat at matching sizes based off of like

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your butts. They have so manyjust bottom sizes and it's like an M
one and a medium one, amedium two has more coverage, so many
sizes and then customized you know,brass sizes and things like that. So
I order a cup size B forthis bathing suit and it was like half
of my boob size half. SoI like put this on in front of
Roy and I'm like, what size? What? Like if this is a

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bee, what size do you thinkI am? And He's like, I
don't know. It's like, doyou think I'm a D? And he's
like, no way, are youa D. He's like, I hate
to break it to you, butyou are not a D. And so
where he was like just staring atmy boobs, He's like, I guess
you're a C now. But nowhe this past week he's just been coming
up to me going like, you'renot a D. Don't think you're a
D. You haven't grown up toa D. And I'm like, I'm

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not trying to say I have youknow a D cup size? I never
thought I was a C. Andthis, I mean every place has different
sizing, sure, sure, butI was just very surprised that these were
like minus A. They were justso small. It's like, is this
a trading bra size for a Bcup? I'm so confused. I disappointed
that there's no pictures involved here ofhow it fits. It was so it

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was so upsetting. I was justlike, I'm like spewing out of this
B cup and all my other Bsize bras fit fine, So what the
hell size? Am I a bathingsuit? Right? Bathing suit? Yeah?
So I think spelling out it's fineif you feel like that should be
the should be part of a bathingsuit. You know, is out?
Just is your nipple covered barely?That's all that matters. Sides were out,

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and maybe my nipple was a littlecovered, but it was. It
was a It was a bathing suitthat looked like a bra. So if
it doesn't fit right, it reallylooks like it doesn't fit right. Yeah,
I guess I could see that.Yeah, well, so so this
is how you find out. Weknow. It's weird to me. I
I think the bathing suits should,like for women, especially bikini should all
be you order a bottom size andyou order a top. Sizes should never

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be like just a one size,you know, I feel like it'd be
weird to do because everybody's different.I mean, everybody has just like different
Then you have to order two differentbathing suits just to take the top from
one and the bottom from the other, which is just stupid. But and
i know women sizes are never uniform, never makes sense. Yeah yeah,
Well, I'm just like really strugglingwith my body image right now a little
bit. I think I lost weightpost pandemic, and now I've been working

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out and gaining weight, but notlike it's just gaining muscles. So my
body is fitting and clothes that Iwas totally like had more room in last
year, And I'm like, damn, how big are my fucking hips now?
How Like it's great that I'm buildinga fucking duck truck, I guess,
but like how big? How bigis my ass really going to get?
And then I'm like, wait,my boobs have changed too. I'm
not ready for this. So justa lot of changes and sizes where I'm

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just I don't know, it's weird. Interesting. Um, have you tried
to make your butt clap yet?Have you gotten to that point you can
clap? No? Can you clapyour ass? Jeeves? I've never tried.
I've tried in college. You knowhow to work. Though you already
know how to work, you alreadyhave the ability to work. So I
figured you might be able to makehere of your your ass clap might be

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a new new technique nude. Idon't know no bedroom. I dated a
guy in college who was big ontrying to you know, there was a
video circulating that there was a redsolo cup sat on some girls like the
top of her ass, and shewas able to toork her ass to get
the cup to flip on your ass. And he was like, can you
do that? No, I fuckingcan't do that. I don't have I

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don't have the skills to do that. But he's like, I want to
see you do it. I waslike, that's never going to happen.
But I digress. I don't feellike it's a digression. I feel like
it all ties ties back into yourconversation about your boobs. Yes, yes,
that's been the conversation in our householdis you don't have d's, Okay,
Sarah, right, you don't haved's Like, okay, so we

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know it's a sea or slightly abovea beat. Now now everybody knows what
size your boobs aren't give a shit. It's really I don't care. I
don't even know what size by boobswere apparently, so yeah, whatever I've
I've heard that. Um, therewas something I was on what I was
watching, but it was something wherethey were talking about getting properly sized and
that there are a lot of womenout there that don't actually know their right

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size because they either got measured thewrong way when they were young and they
just stuck with it, or theirtheir mom just like, oh, this
is what size you are, andthey just went with it. They never
actually questioned it. And then theygo to an actual place and get measured
properly, and they're like and theyfind a bra that actually fits the way
it's supposed to, and it's usuallysomeone who's like really well endowed that just
like you know, it has neverbeen able to find something comfortable and they
find something that actually fits properly andthey're like, holy shit, this is

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amazing, like and it's like lifechanging. Yeah, so maybe I need
that experience. We need to gofind out. Yeah, you find a
place that'll measure you properly and giveyou your exact measurements. Well, I
was looking up on what you know, not on my work computer, but
on my person by the way.At work, I'm I'm looking up because
I'm just so confused. I'm like, how do you determine your cup size?
And so then I'm like Roy Walksand I'm like literally measuring the side

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of my movies, like, you'renot a D. I'm like, I'm
not saying I'm a D. I'mtrying to figure out how big I don't.
I just don't know. It's notsomething I think about very often because
I one barely ever wear a brabecause I'm home and a lot of my
clothing just doesn't require it. Andtoo all of my other bras that I
have are just they're like bando bras, or they're bras that don't have wire,

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so they're just not or braw letts. So I just don't really need
a specific size. It's just kindof like a small or a medium or
whatever. How fantastic would be ifyou win, I actually got sized and
it turns out you are a Dbro, I'd lose my ship. I'd
be like, shut the fuck up, Roy, i am a D.
Yeah. Literally, well no,I mean he literally put his face in

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my tits and was just like,these don't feel like a d to me.
I mean, that's how that's howthe household conversation. Good. Okay,
right, that's that's fantastic. Imean I should just grab a stick
and be like, these don't.This isn't how nine inches feels or what
I don't. I wouldn't do that. I'm like, what's the equivalent,
right, Yeah, that's right,I don't. I think that is kind
of the equivalent. But but youwouldn't do that. I mean with his

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flaccid peist, maybe I'm like,where's your your little guy? What's up?
You know, maybe a little guy. I'd say something like that.
I don't know. It had tocome up organically in conversation. So now
I'm gonna try to figure out away to work that. Yeah, I
think I would definitely try to dothat. Well, so there we go.
MS, it's new in our lives. Well that our lives. Yeah,

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meet up in Seattle, meet upwith me somewhere, and Sara's boobs,
Sara's booms are up, they're growing. Who knows what's going to happen.
I'm actually hitting like midlife puberty rightnow. Something something that a thing
did you Okay, no, youdidn't hit Like when you hit your thirties,
you notice body changes or things likethat. I feel like my body's
changed a lot in the past coupleof years. Just in general. My

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face shape, I feel like it'schanged. And I don't know, I
didn't really paid attention, but Iknow that if you look at the picture
of me when I was twenty likefour and got married, remember like my
wedding photo versus how I look now, it's so even. My face just
looks so different. I feel likeI I looked older than than than I
do now, But I don't knowwhat that is. So I really have
you seen the wedding pictures? Yeah, it does. Yeah, it looks

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very different. I don't know ifit's that. Yeah, I know,
I looked forty five when I wastwenty three, and it's crazy, you
look like you're in you're I stillthink you look forty but yeah, but
forty yeah, but in that inthat range. Last um, I was
somewhere and it was eight. Someguy. I was like, oh,
yeah, you know, well I'myou know, I'm forty eight or something

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like that, and I looked athim. I was like, how the
funck is he forty eight. Helooks like he's one hundred. Like this
is just like some people do notage well, and I think I've been
lucky so far. It's so weirdtoo, but anyway, yeah, yeah,
that's true. Well, um,let's let's get into the next section
of this episode where we're going totake We have an email from a listener,

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which doesn't mean that you shouldn't becalling into the dCas hotline, because
we still want you to call thehotline. Sarah, do you want to
give them that number again? Thatnumber is four zero seven five one nine
zero one eight one. We'll switchit off, you know. Next week
when you call in, we'll useyour voicemail, and this week we don't
have one. Well, we dohave a couple no, no, we
have some of the cue, butthis email came into four and I wanted

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to make sure we got to it. So um. He had actually even
said I hope to hear this onthe podcast when he emails a couple of
weeks ago, so or a monthago, maybe a month and a half
ago. So yeah, took alittle while, but what we're there now,
so you can call the hotline.We prefer that it's nice to hear
your voice. It changes it upfrom hearing our voices. But you can

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also email us at Dating kind ofSucks podcast at gmail dot com if you
have a question instead, So thisemail. Do you want me to read
this one? Take it away?Take it away? This emails from Andre
Andrea says, what's up, DKs. I'm a twenty or one year old
man and I've been on dating websitesfor about three years, but no success
on finding a relationship. I've triedTinder, Bumble Hinge and Coffee Meats Bagel,

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and I've updated my photos in biomany times, but still no success.
Usually it takes me like twenty likesto get one match, but it
always ends with the girl ghosting meafter that. I tried doing cold approaches
at hiking trails and dog parks toget a girl's around my age, a
girl's Instagram or number, but ninetimes out of ten they say they don't
have an Instagram or they already havea boyfriend. Even if I get a

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girl's number slash Instagram, I highlydoubt they're compatible or have good communication skills,
so that might end the relationship.I'm basically calling it quits here and
going to live alone. Do youhave any thoughts on this? Immediate first
thought is the cold approach. Justdon't do that, don't do that,
don't do that. And I thinkthat's why he's getting that response with the

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cold approach because and they're saying,oh, I don't have an Instagram,
which I mean, Sarah's been approachedon hiking trails just random people. Remember
that guy. Yeah, it's evenif it was very nice and had nothing
wrong, it's still kind of weirdwhen you're especially hiking alone alone and you're
like, I just wanted to domy own thing and this person's approaching me.
So I think the environment where he'sdoing cold approaches is not working,

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so I wouldn't continue that, andI think he just going back to the
environment. I just think he needsto switch up his environment and be around
people who are also single and joineither Facebook groups where they had like single
meetups, which I know that mightsound really lame of, like I don't
want to be part of that lamesingle meetup group, but I've actually gone
on a couple of places before thathad those, and it was like everyone

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was on the same wavelength right,like they were open to meeting new people.
They were open to having those conversationsand talking a little bit more about
what you're looking for. Versus whenyou go up randomly on a hiking trail
or just out at a coffee shopor whatever, they're not ready to have
that conversation. They're not in thatmindset to be like, oh is he
trying to pick me up? Orwhat's this conversation going to be? Like?

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So I would say, join someFacebook meetup groups, join meetup dot
com and see based on common interestsand things like that, where you can
meet up with people and hopefully havesome more success in those types of environments.
Yeah, I think if you're gonnatry the cold approject, I agree.
And beyond that too, just trydoing some things that you enjoy doing,
Like do you like bowling, doyou like comic books? Do you

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like you know whatever? Like that, There's there's gonna be groups of people
who do the same things in yourtown. If it's bowling, and there's
probably the league that's you know,people your age who like the bowl and
you can meet people that way,and meeting someone who has a common interest
is a good way just to youdon't go there to specifically try you know,
don't try try hitting on everybody whenyou get there. Just go have
fun doing what you enjoy doing,and you'll you'll talk to people naturally as

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you do it. You know,a lot of comic book places have like
tabletop game night where they you know, take out some new tabletop game and
play and you can get part ofthat. There's people that do trivia nights.
There's bar things, there's you know, there's like even beer beer places
sometimes have like you know, specialtasting nights things like that. You can
go meet people that way, andthat might be a good way to do
it. And then I also wonder, you know, what is it about
your profile? I wish I'd kindof been able to see your profile to

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know, but getting one match outof every twenty like swipes is not um
I wouldn't say that's that's actually badfor most men. I feel like that's
that's a pretty standard yea, andyeah, so so in that case,
that's not bad. But what meansthey're go, what why are they ghosting
you? Is the conversation just die? And if the conversation dies, that's
probably on both of your parts.So it's something to maybe you want to

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think about how you're communicating as well, because if you're you know, their
communication is important, you should reallythink about what is it. What is
it that you're saying to them?Are you trying to push them off the
app? Are you trying to getthem to meet before they're ready, or
are you actually talking about them aboutinteresting things? Do you have things of
interest to say? What are youtalking about? And I think that's important
as well. I agree, Andgoing back to just like the environment aspect,

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have you heard about like third spaces, the importance of a third space,
so you like your first and secondspace, or like where you go
to work and then your home,and so having these third community spaces where
you can feel one part of thecommunity but meet other like minded individuals.
So I would say also focus onfinding that third space, whether that is
something like bowling or whatever, insteadof you know, trying to find a

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Facebook group or whatever. Find yourthird space and you might meet other people
in your community just casually. Yeah, that's gonna And like a dog park,
I'm guessing hopefully you have a dog, by the way, hopefully you're
actually you're not going to a dogpark without a dog and hitting on women,
because that's that's super creepy. Butif you have a dog, there's
lots of dog things of it,and dog parks are a good place to
go and spend some time, sothat the dog park can be a good

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good way to do that. Butmaybe just talk to people instead of trying
to hit them up for their Instagramor their phone number. How about you
just chat, just chat about life, chat about things, chat about their
dog, and then leave and thennext time you're there, if they happen
to be there, then maybe yousay, hey, would you like to
get a drink some time? Youlet them see, right, Yeah,
you're going a regular and you're you'resomeone that they could become familiar with rather

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than immediately trying to run to thephone number or Instagram. Yeah, the
goal should be just meeting people andjust finding common interests first before asking for
the phone number, Instagram, whateverexactly. So don't give up yet,
just maybe, you know, switchup your tactics a little bit, slow
down a little bit as well,would be my suggestion. You have a
lot of time, there's no there'sno need to rush. That's right,

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Yeah, it's very true. Sothank you Andre for the email. Yeah,
I appreciate that. And once again, you can call and leave a
voicemail on our hotline at four ohseven five one nine zero one eight one,
so you can pause the episode rightnow and go do that and leave
us a voicemail right now. Whatyour thoughts are, Yeah, muscle shoals
or Tulsa about that? You canyou know, any any question about anything,
talk about the meet up, whateveryou'd like to do. And uh,

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and then we're gonna take quick breaks. It's a perfect time for you
to call. And when we comeback, it's gonna be time for What
to See with Sarah Ge. Wewere talking about Median Columbia Medain well for
this week's What to See with SarahG. This week, let's explore Median
Columbia. I also pronounce it MedagineColumbia. It's a mix of pronunciation.
But like when I was there,I pronounced it medine, But when I'm

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back home, I say Medagine.How do the people who live there pronounce
it medine? But I feel likeif you like speak Spanish, that's how
it's pronounced. But then for Englishspeakers, more people who were just saying
medagine are they don't say medellin it'snot Medellin. Definitely, definitely. I
can see Americans calling it Medellin.Well, yeah, that was the problem
when I first visit, was like, how do I pronounce this city's name

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because I'm gonna sound dumb when I'mthere. So it's either or m I
pronounce it more medagine, But I'llsay medicine for this, So anyways,
medagine. Actually I just fucked itup again, Medagine. I'm just gonna
go with that. Is nicknamed thecity of Eternal Spring, and it's actually
the second largest city in Colombia afterBogota. So if you've happened to hear
about the city before, it's probablybecause of Paplo Escobar and the drug trade

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that happened in the nineteen eighties andnineteen nineties. I think back in the
day, this city was the world'smost dangerous in the world. Oh,
do you have anything to add No? No, no, I mean did
you hear you were you were alivein the eighties alive? Yes, I
was three years old, nineteen eighty. Thank you. I have heard of
medicine. I've heard of Pablo Escobar, and I think the show Narcos is

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about it too. I'm pretty sure. So yeah, yes, yes,
yeah, so okay, you havesome background there. Well, I was
lucky enough last February to spend thirtydays or so there and I actually really
fell in love with the culture inthe community. And funny enough, multiple
Uber drivers had thanked me for visitingthe city and bringing more tourism to the

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area because they're just so proud ofhow the city has transformed over the last
twenty years or so, and theyreally feel like the city is growing for
the better. Medagane is actually becominga big hub for digital nomads as well,
which is part of the reason Iwas there. So very vibrant and
if you're planning on visiting the countryof Columbia, this is definitely a city
to check out if you're looking forplaces to stay or potential areas to really

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just immerse yourself in the culture inI would say the Pablado area is one
of the most visited areas of thecity. It's built with tons of nightlife,
tons of bars and restaurants, andlots of really high end or more
on the higher end hotels that reallyfit any traveler's budget as far as nightlife
goes. I mean, people areparting till two three in the morning in

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Meta Gene, and just if youlike to party, it's a good spot
to be. If you're in theneighborhood, you can pretty much walk to
everything. You just might have towalk up a few inclines to get to
where you're going, which sucks attimes, I will say, but I
honestly felt safe walking around here allhours of the day and pretty much at
night as well with the big partyscene. Just be smart in the area.

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Don't travel alone at night if youcan help it, or just order
an uber if you're trying to getback to your hotel at a certain time.
I personally didn't have any issues,but if you're worried about that,
just be on the safe side andbe smart about it. Outside of the
Poblado area, there are a coupleother cool areas that you can visit,
either through their metro system or theircable car system. I was actually really
surprised when I visited. I hadno idea that they had a metro that

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you could take pretty much to allof the other areas and you weren't just
like stuck with using either the taxisor the ubers there. So take advantage
of that. When you're there,you can take the Metro to a popular
tourist destination, which is Communa thirteen, and you can take a free walking
tour there, which of course Ialways recommend free walking tours. But Communa
thirteen is actually really important because itwas one of the most dangerous areas in

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the city, and it's also whatmade Metagine one of the most dangerous areas
in the world. This is whereall the drug trade happened, all of
the violence, this is where themilitary came in to try to overturn Paulo
Escobar. And there's so much historyin the area that now the locals there
have transformed it and filled it withgraffiti and colorful buildings and artwork and just

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lots of parting in the streets ofCommuna thirteen, which is really cool.
But like my tour guide, Iwalked away from it. My tour guide
lived in the area when he wasa teenager and his friends and himself had
to make the decision of do Ipick up a gun and start shooting other
people and joining the drug trade,or do I have to move out of
this city and start a different lifefor myself, a better life for myself,

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and luckily my tour guide was ableto move out of the area and
start a new life for himself andactually came back once it was safer,
but a lot of his friends werekilled because they participated in the drug trade
back when they were teenagers. Soit's just very unfortunate. But they tried
to use the graffiti and a lotof the artwork in the area to inspire,

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to tell a story and to showhow strong in their community is today.
So very very You could spend hoursthere honestly, just walking around the
streets and talking to people and throughoutyour tour. Definitely worth checking out there.
Another area to catch some of thebeautiful sunsets and managing is at Poplito,
Paisa. It is a little bittouristy, it's a replica of an

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older town, but I still thinkit's worth checking out and just kind of
walking in some of the touristy shops, taking photos in front of some of
the cool buildings that they have there, and catching the sunset. Now,
for thrill seekers out there, thereare a lot of things you can do,
and one of the things I didthat I don't think i'll ever do
again, but you definitely can dohere is paragliding. If you're going to
do it, take some gramamine beforehand. I left a little nauseous and was

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messed up the rest of the day. But the area is really known for
a lot of their paragliding. Thereare a couple of companies that you'll go
up to the top of the mountainand just paraglide around and have beautiful views.
Don't drink beforehand, but you cango paragliding. Were you I'm assuming
you weren't paragliding alone, right,I mean I had someone with so,
yeah, I had the tour personwho is directing me throughout the thing,

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but it's just me and the guywho knows how to work the ropes and
lime around thing. And I guessI wouldn't have thought about it being nauseous
since you're I always think of thatbeing on the ocean, but I guess
in the air, maybe the wellParis sailing, Paris sailing, you're being
tied with the boat, you know, I mean paragliding, it's all based
off I mean, it's wind forboth of them. But if the wind

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catches, you're screwed and you're goingone way. I mean, they're going
to try their best to correct itback, but I was incredibly nauseous and
they had buckets and trash cans downonce you landed and people were throwing up.
So, yeah, video of youparagliding, I don't, it's not.
I mean, like I they giveyou a go pro when you're in
the air. So I was,you know, I go probe myself and

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like underneath and everything, and Ihave that full video and then I have
some photos of me landing and takingoff and yeah, but honestly, I
was too nauseous after the fact toreally watch that video game. I was
like, I can't. I justso I have it. But yeah,
interesting, okay, okay um.And then another thrill seeking thing. If
you're like explosives, then you haveto play the game Tahoe. If you've

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seen the movie in Conto, there'sa little scene where they're playing it in
like an alley not an alleyway,but like one of the streets. It's
actually a sport that's played in Colombia. It's like, I don't think it's
a national sport, but the sportthat was created in Colombia. I mean,
it's kind of like cornhole, butyou're throwing rocks at gunpowder and then
you get points based on if thatexplodes. So if you hit this little

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the tahoe is this little triangular pieceof it looks like a piece of paper,
but it's filled with gunpowder and whenyou hit that, then it explodes.
But it's kind of a drinking gameas well, so explosives drinking game,
sure, but you can have alot of fun there. I have
a local tour guide who hooked usup, so if you're ever interested in
playing Tahoe in Medagine, let meknow. I got the guy for you.
And then, last, but notleast, is to take the cable

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cars up to Park RV. Thecable car experience is pretty cool on its
own, but once you get tothe park there's a really cool visitor center
and the trails that you can eitherhike on or you can take a horse
through, which is really cool.So that's all it that you can do
in Medagine. But if you're lookingfor because there's a lot of other jumping
off points, you can go toSalento to see the world's tallest palm trees
in the world. I think that'slike a three hour drive for Medagine.

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If you're looking for something a littlecloser, there's also Guatepe and that city
is known for colorful buildings and manmade water reservoirs that has all of these
water sports and activities. And thenand also a giant rock that you can
climb over six hundred steps for incredibleviews of all the waterways that they built,
So lots of options in Colombia.Had a great time there, would
definitely go back. You know,usually you have quite a bit to say

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about the food, and you didn'tmention the food at all here. Did
you like the food in Columbia?You know what? I love the food
and Columbia. That's a good point, and I didn't mention. I ate
at so many amazing places to eat. No, well, I did at
the end end up eating like thesame three restaurants in the Piblado area.
But I really think you can't golike every meal I had was pretty much

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amazing, whether it was street tacosor impanadas or even just breakfast at a
random breakfast spot or cafe and coffee. Coffee was obviously good too. I
never had a bad meal when Iwas there, so it wasn't like a
really spicy or things like that.That's what I was worried about, I
think in any type of any typeof like Latin American, South American,
Central American, and I'm was like, it's gonna be spicy. No,

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I don't think. I don't.I didn't really have an issue with that
at all. I mean you couldyou can obviously order a burger and fries
still too. I mean you don'thave to get tacos or intialots or whatever.
But they had a good mix ofeverything, and it was really big,
actually surprisingly really big on gin offeringslike gin drinks. When I was
there, maybe it was also thepeople I was traveling with that we all

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ordered a lot of gin. ButI just noticed they had a lot more
specialty drinks with gin than typical restaurantsback in the US. Interesting. Yeah,
So that's what you see in MedaganColumbia or Meda Eating Colombia. And
maybe there'll be a whole well youcan do a whole other one sometime where
it's like what to eat in Medianyou can just do a whole other segments
sometimes. I probably I probably havetwenty restaurants. That's that's the problem is

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it's really hard to narrow down especiallythere of the best places to eat and
drink and bars. But oh andyou can eat what you can eat big
ants. They had people walking aroundwith signs to eat big ants, like
massively like ants. Okay, yeah, I didn't try one, but it's
like interesting food that you wouldn't eatanywhere else. At night, like the

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nightlife area, they had a bunchof people that would just be selling these
giant ants and I'm yeah, liketoasted, I'm guessing like barely just kind
of cooked. Yeah, yeah,I've had I've had toasted dance before.
They weren't I mean, they werebig, like maybe the size of like
your fingernail, a little bigger thanthat, and they were their crunchy.
It tastes kind of like peanuts,but then you'd get the carapace and like
the legs caught in your teeth andit was just it was such a Yeah,

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I don't think otherwise it tasted good. It was just then like trying
to pick all the shit out ofyour teeth. It was always the worst.
Yeah, I had grasshoppers before,which was I mean, they're bigger
than ants, so I don't knowwhen you're there tried. I guess yes,
yes. Um, all right,well, thank you very much.
That was what to see with SarahG. And when we get back,

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we're gonna dive into the topic oftalking about the Facebook group. Are we
dating the same guy and whether ornot that's a good group or something you
should stay away from. We'll beright back. So, Sarah, do
you remember the whole thing with westElm Caleb from like a year or two
ago. I do remember that,and I also remember feeling really bad for

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west Elm social media manager whoever thatwas, because everyone was tagging west Elm
trying to get him fired for allof his ship behavior, right right,
you want to recap that force didn'tknow what it was. Yeah, Basically,
west Elm Caleb was dating a bunchof girls and the girls got together,
like I was dating a guy namedCaleb who worked at west Elm.

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Wait I dated, I went ona date with a guy named Caleb who
worked at west Elm, and thenit just became west Elm Caleb. Unfortunately,
one of them posted that she justposted a TikTok about a date that
she went on with this guy,and I think she said his name was
Caleb. When he worked at WestElm when I think that was the extent
of it, and she was inI think New York and she was just
talking about like just the date.There was something about the date that made

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her want to do a TikTok.And then someone else saw it and said
that she went out with the sameguy or she thought it was the same
guys. Then they started communicating andrealized it was. And then the more
people that saw her video, itjust kept blown up with more women having
these interactions with him. This guywas like talking to what ninety percent of

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the women in New York City,It felt like it was. It was
insane. I mean the TikTok reachwas really focused on that New York area
when it was sending you know more. Yeah. Yeah, So it just
became this this huge thing, andthen you know, women just were all
comparing notes and realizing and I thinkhe was he had you know, he
had some misues. He wasn't exactlya nice guy to most of these women,
and a lot of ghosting and thingslike that. Yeah, well after

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that happened, apparently someone who sawthis happen either I don't know if they
were involved in this or not.Started a Facebook group called are We Dating
the Same Guy? With the ideathat this shouldn't happen like this type of
thing, like you know, it'sokay to casually date, Like there's nothing
wrong with casually dating, but likethere should be a way to maybe check
and see if you know, ifthe guy who says that he's dedicated to

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you or he wants to date youexclusively is saying that to forty five other
women at the same time. It'slike John Tucker Must Die. Did you
ever see that movie? I did, but I don't remember any think about
it. It's in a similar situation. It was just like four girls were
all dating the same guy, buthe was running in different circles, so
they never figured it out. Andthen one girl noticed it from the outside
looking in noticed it and was like, oh my god, he's dating all

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these girls, and yeah, similar, I mean, he wasn't there another
one. I wasn't West West elmCallub. It was a It was like
a guy who was like a copwho was like in Indiana and was dating,
like married with a kid, andthen found out somehow she was posting
pictures of her husband and her familyand so I was like, um,

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that's my boyfriend, and like heturned out that he he was traveling a
lot, and so like he shedated him in Chicago and like but he
was like in six cities or somethinglike that and had two families and like,
yeah, it was crazy, likejust getting away from it because they're
in different social circles that they'll neverthey'll never meet each other. It's fine,
I can get away with it.Well, now TikTok brought them all
together. Well if they thank god, how else were people going to know

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that they were dating a scumbag theentire time? Well, it makes you
realize too that this probably happens allthe time, and in then like nineteen
to fifties and sixties, when especiallylike you have like the traveling salesmen and
men who would who traveled for worka lot, how many of them might
have had the full on second familiesthat the other people never knew about it,
and they would go visit their oneand then disappear for two weeks and

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then basically just have two different families. And they would find out when the
guy died years later and all ofa sudden had multiple errors and things like
that, and it's crazy Um,it's funny too, because I would find
I feel like I feel like menin general, they don't you know,
they don't want the relationships always,you know, they're just trying to get
laid. But then somehow they managedto start these relationships and these families because

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then they liked the idea of beingtaken care of. They don't want to
have to take care of themselves,so they can just set up these little
like encloser where someone's there to takecare of the meal and yeah, basically
they've ab so yeah, so westarted, so that this group started,
Uh you know, are we datingthe same guy on face Book? Started
New York And now there's franchises everywhere, Like you're in Seattle. I'm sure
there's a Seattle one. There's probablya Portland one. I don't know.

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It's like Craigslist, Basla. Wecan just pull up your city and there's
there's probably one exclusively for women.No men are allowed in. And like
I hate that only because I morethan any I just want to drama.
I want to see the drama.I want to I want to watch I
just want to see what's happening,and just just for my own entertainment purposes,
but women post are you in areyou you join? Did you join

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that group? I know you're noton Facebook at all, So that's a
problem is I'm not on Facebook atall, so there's really not a point
of me being in those groups.But I do see even though I'm not
in those groups, I do seea lot of tiktoks with similar content of
saying women, Like recently this weekit was women of Seattle, if you're
dating this guy, just know hehas a wife, he has kids.
He's also dating these three other girlswho have also stepped forward, so be

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on the lookout, swipe left,don't interact with him. So people are
posting like warning videos to let otherwomen know don't engage with these shitty men
because it's just going to hurt youin the long run. So yeah,
and I agree so that these groups, um, if you're not in it,
so anybody who's not in it,I'm not in either. But I
from what I know is that womenwill post a photo of a guy and

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just say, are we dating thesame guy? You know, like,
is there any any gossip anything,and any anybody can tell me. I
just match just matched them, orwe just went out or you know,
he's my husband or whatever, andthen people will post things like oh you
got a DM me or he didthis, and they they're very they're very
strict rules, like they can't saynegative things about him. I think they
can or they have to be verycareful in how they they say it.

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They can't dox him, they know, yeah, they're they get get out.
No, they can't identify him,like there's no doing attack him.
Yeah, he can't, can't sayshit like that. But it does allow
women to post and see if maybethis person that they're dating or married to
is is playing around in their town. So I guess what are the limits
if you post, say you havebeen dating a guy casually for a month

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or so and you're trying to,I guess, lock it down and be
more serious. Would you then posta photo and say like he's being hesitant
on wanting to be committed. Ifeel like that would be that would be
maybe a way to do it,you know. And and it's one of
those things that that that I thinkwe'll kind of get to that when we
talk about maybe the cons of itis that it does is that then he

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wroting the trust in a relationship bydoing, you know, and even the
beginning of a relationship. The instancesthat I've known about it are a friend
of mine who she was in thegroup and just and she had just broken
up with her boyfriend and saw someonepost a photo of her boyfriend of her
ex and say, as anybody datingthis guy, And someone was like,
um, oh no, I youknow, but I know, I feel
really bad because he had a greatgirlfriend who was amazing and uh and he

(45:45):
was cheating on her the entire time. Blah blah blah. And she's sitting
here reading this and just like absolutelyjust destroyed. And then she's in the
same group and then she just startedtalking to this other guy recently and saw
his photo pop up in the groupand someone she said, I just matched
with this guy, does he youknow? Blah blah. Now, they
hadn't been exclusive or talked about exclusivity, so it wasn't really a big deal,

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but nobody seemed to have any negativeto say about it. So she's
like, well, that's at leastthat's a positive like this, at least
this guy doesn't have any negative.So she hasn't actually posted, but she's
been present when two people that she'stalked, you know, like an X
and this new guy who both havebeen brought up. Would you want to
know us? Like if you starteddating someone early on, would you want
to know if they were dating somebody? I mean, if you were dating

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say, for example, I wasdating someone casually for a month. We're
not locked down yet, and Ihappened to post, Hey, are we
dating the same guy? I don'tknow if i'd want to know. I
don't know. I think with somany stories of men being so shady and
so maybe you're being unfaithful and noteven not even willing to be willing to

(46:51):
commit, or saying they can commitwhen they really aren't, it might be
worth knowing. And I think alsowith the risks of people being abusive and
things like that, it might beworth it before you get too involved,
to see are there some red flagsI'm not seeing or you know, things
that I have. You know,he has eve been masking all these things
that I that I'm not going toknow about to take it too far?
Should I keep getting invested in thisperson? I guess where I'm getting at,

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because I don't think you're wrong.I guess where I'm getting at,
though, is for me to wantto have to post something in that Facebook
group to figure out I would havehad to notice ten red flags or something
like. If I would have seenred flags, I would have just cut
him off and not been to thepoint of posting in the group. If
I was ignoring things like I'm sureshitty behaviors were shown before they got to

(47:37):
the point of posting in that group, but they've just been ignoring it at
that time. I don't know,Like for me, am I making sense?
Like for me, I would havealready seen those things, so I
would have cut them off. Yeah, And I think that that's that's not
ideal world. But sometimes I thinkpeople are like, oh, but everything
else seems so good, so maybeI should just check, you know,
like they don't want to necessarily assumethe worst, but they're just kind of

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double checking. And then sometimes it'sa matter if you just match with somebody
and you're like, before I evenbother talking to this guy, what's going
on? You know, like justjust before I even bother putting in the
effort or trying to get to knowthis person, is there something I should
know about? And then I thinkthere's also people who are like like married,
and their husband starts acting kind ofweird and starts gas letting them or

(48:20):
starts making them feeling secure, andso they they're like they put it up
there just to kind of find outbecause they really don't know what else to
do. Yeah, So I don'tknow part of me like straight up early
on, like I just went ona first date with this guy. Are
we dating someone else? I feellike that's way too premature, Like you
haven't had a lot of conversations,yeah, to figure out, like,
yeah, you might be dating acouple other people. I don't. I

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don't know. I guess it's likeI don't always want to know. I
want to learn from that other personso they can give me their side of
the story. I guess, likeyou're going to run into shitty guys no
matter what if I'm posting, Idon't know. It's like if I'm I
think that's why we're doing this topicis because we're trying to figure out is
this group a good thing or abad thing? You know? And I
think that's that's important? Is itbecause there's there are there's some nuances to
it here. Yeah, I meanI think if you have been suspecting your

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partner of cheating, and you've beenwith your partner for a decent amount of
time and they're showing side like thingswere good and then all of a sudden
things have changed and you feel younotice and feel a shift. Then yeah,
post that photo and ask are wedating the same guy? If you're
married in that situation. But Ithink, like right from the get go
of like one or two dates andnothing's that serious yet. That's where I'm
like, I don't, I don'tknow if you should post just yet.

(49:30):
Maybe well here's the thing, soso what if you post and someone says,
yeah, I'm married to him.I mean, yeah, it's like
good thing, I've right, Wellgood, I'm glad to post it,
or or oh yeah he just gotout of jail for you know, for
assault assaulting his last girlfriend or youknow, like something like that with every

(49:52):
single fucking guy that I go ona date with. Though, was like,
put it in the group. IfI went on the first date,
put him in the I mean,at one point he just gave me an
STD and you know, and youknow it didn't disclose, you know,
like so it might it might beone of those things like I would I
mean, yes, I'm not datingcurrently, but it's like, if I
was to be back out on thedating scene, is that the process I

(50:14):
have to go through now after everysingle fucking date. I think that it
would really depend because I feel likeyou at this point have a very good
sense of a good radar for thingstrue, and you can also do a
lot of your own research and youknow everything as well that you can look
things up, you know, andso you can do background checks at et

(50:35):
cetera. And I think this isjust maybe an additional thing that people can
do who maybe aren't. There's alot of I mean, we find this
out obviously just from doing this podcast. How many men and women huh,
like people aren't a season with dating? Yeah? How many men and women
just ignore red flags? Or wejust we had someone who just posted in
the Facebook group and was like,what do you do when they have several

(50:55):
little red flag lets? And Iwas like, those are red flags?
Yeah, that's not a thing.Yeah, but you know it is that
like sometimes people be like, oh, well, you know, and because
they're they're like they don't want tolet go because everything else seems good,
which usually is a sign that they'repretty, you know, manipulative. If
everything else seems so amazing, you'rewilling to overlook a red flag. And

(51:16):
so this is maybe just a wayto help them confirm a little bit.
Then maybe they shouldn't do it too. I don't know. Like I feel
like if I if I went ona date with somebody, I'd be like,
hey, put me, put mein the group. I want to
see what people are saying, letme know what let me know what people
say, like I want to Iwant to talking right now that you talk
absolutely absolutely well. Then I askedthe question, is there a group like

(51:36):
that about women? No, becausemen don't care about with women are talking
about. Yeah, they just wantto be like, you know, does
she suck dick? Is that likeit's that would be that would be the
thing, not are we daven thesame guy? Will she suck my dick
on the first date? And thatthat'll basically be the the the meen's equivalent
of it. Yeah, And becausethey just they don't care about the same

(51:58):
type of things or I a manipulatorthere or something like that, it'd be
like, yeah, yeah, howeasy is she to manipulate? Because they're
very different situations, And I don'tthink that if there was a similar group
that actually was similar, that menwould be able to stick to the rules
of not doxing and not giving yourinfare like you know, all of the
things. I think that it wouldbe. It would be danger. It

(52:21):
would present a danger to women,where as I don't think this group presents
a danger to men. It actuallyprevents danger. And one thing that I
saw was a study from last yearthat showed that seventy three percent of women
have experienced threats of sexual violence orsexual harassment or aggression from men on dating
apps. Seventy three out Yeah,yeah, I mean, but you think

(52:45):
about you know, how people havebeen you know it is you know three
and four is if three out ofevery four women have been assaulted or harassed
in some way. And then there'seven a study that says it's as high
as ninety nine percent of women havebeen sexually harassed in some capacity. So
it makes sense. But it's justlike when there's something like that, then
a group like this can be ifthey can help with that, that's great.

(53:05):
And then only men who are gettingmad about it, I think are
the men who were shitty. Yeah, I mean, I do think it's
good to share stories and connect withother people, especially in your community,
and figure out where you stand.I just I get yeah, like it
makes it makes sense if you're notas self aware or confident enough to scan
the bullshit out yourself and you needa little bit more guidance. But I

(53:27):
would be cautious to using it asa crutch if you've been dating for a
while. After a first date,you shouldn't have to feel like you need
to rely on the like on thatgroup to post a photo. If you've
been dating for a while and youfeel like you have a hand, I
don't know, I just yeah,yeah, maybe I feel like it helps
more if you're like newer in datingand you've been dating someone for a minute

(53:49):
and you're trying to get more guidanceon things, maybe that will help because
I feel like the more seasoned,the less you're likely to tolerate bullshit.
Yeah, but my opinion, Butoh, I mean that that's that's true.
Um, I would say that,Um, you know, you should
do it if if you know,maybe if you are trying to just make
sure before you waste any time withsomebody, like if you're just if you

(54:12):
know you feel good about it.But you're just really worried about you know,
you've been burned so many times thatyou're just worried about this all of
a sudden, turning bat Who didI just Oh, I just had a
friend in Florida just telling me thatshe just, um, this guy was
really sweet and loving and she just, uh, she just started dating him.
They're like, so they started datingand he was very nice and he's
been great and like, and sothey've been going out for just like a

(54:34):
week and just decided just to actuallydate. And then last night she got
a call from his girlfriend and saidthat he's been talking to twenty three other
women and told her that she shouldjoin the are we Dating the Same Guy?
Group? Which I thought was prettyfunny. You know. The thing
is like she was like, yeah, you know, yeah he was.
It wasn't always available. We didn'treply all the time, so I was

(54:57):
a little worried, you know,but I just like, yeah, whatever,
And so maybe instead of and whatever, you throw his picture up there
and you're like, oh, no, this guy is just lying about everything,
So I'm not going to waste mytime with him anymore. Yeah,
I guess, I guess that's agood point, Like, if you're feeling
like, is this an issue?Am I just being oversensitive about this?
You know, because I want thisto work out, then maybe it's worth

(55:20):
throwing it in the group and seeinglike, for example, my immediate thought
was going back to that guy Michaelwho loved bombed the shit out of me.
Oh yeah, yeah, the onewho broke his leg. Yeah,
I mean that was the point whereI think I would have put him in
the group. At that point.I wouldn't have done it early on because
things felt fine, But when thingswere like what the fuck is going on
here? That makes sense for meto post something in the group and saying,

(55:44):
is anyone else dating this guy?Things seem off? I think when
things seem off, definitely posted inthe group. Yeah, yeah, I
can see that. And if you'renot getting any answers or like or they're
either not responding or they're just likedodging the question, then maybe it's time
to try to do more research.Um, And this is one way to
do research that I think. That'sthe other way to look at it,
too, is that this is oneone of many research tools available. This

(56:08):
is a crowd you know, crowdsourcedresearching and so you have to keep in
mind that some people might be lying, some people might say things that aren't
true, you know, like sonot everybody's going to be one hundred percent
truthful, but for the most part, you're going to find out that whether
you're gut feeling is correct or not. Well, what are your next steps
after? So you put them inthe Facebook group. A lot of women

(56:28):
respond, yeah, he's a shipbag and did this and this and this.
Do you just stop dating that guyimmediately or do you have a conversation
with him? I guess it dependson the severity of whatever was said.
Yeah, I guess it depends onthat and maybe the level of your relationship
with the person at that point too. Maybe you texted me say, oh,
hey, so so you know,Holly says hi, oh fuck man.

(56:51):
Just to see what they you know, what they have to say about
that, and how they respond toit, and if you and you don't
tell them where you you know,how you met her or whatever like that,
just to see if they if theyhave any any you know, anything
to say whatsoever. And it isit is the thing that you have to
take it with a grain of salt. And someone says oh, well he
was shitty, he was a shipbag, you know, he was just
do blah blah blah. Well,was it just a bad relationship and they're

(57:14):
upset about it, or is someyou know, actual behavior? Can they
identify actual behavior that he did thatwas that was unacceptable? And I think
the more people who come up andsay things, then the easier it is
to see that it's definitely him beingthe asshole, not one person being angry
or better. So, if Iwas, for example, to post say
I posted a photo of Roy earlyon when we started dating, and nothing

(57:36):
came up, I don't do Itell him hey, I posted I posted
you in this Facebook group? Ordo I just I feel like I would
just say nothing and just go onand live my life. It feels like
a dirty thing if nothing comes upand you're like, Okay, I guess
I'm good to go, and youkeep dating that person. I mean,
if you did a background check andcheck this to make sure you've never been
arrested for assault or that you know, blah blah blah, any of these

(57:59):
things before you, you know,started really getting serious, would you tell
him that? See, I justdon't, I guess because I don't typically
do that. I'm not going tosay, you know, I don't do
it, so I don't have anythingto tell. I guess not, I
guess you just don't say anything andjust keep going out with it, don't
know, or you can say,hey, good, good news, you

(58:19):
passed your background check, and honestly, I will feel like if they respond
to the head right, yeah,if they get shitty about that, then
maybe that's a sign that maybe you'reyou're getting you know, catching something that
you didn't catch with your search.Fuck, maybe you should do that so
nothing came up, you're good togo, and they're like, what the
fuck that? Like, actually thatwas your final all right? Yeah,

(58:43):
yes exactly, because I mean Ido think that, like because if someone
told me that they would put mein that group, I wouldn't be offended,
but it was like cool, youknow, like it would really would
not be something that I would beupset about. It'd be like, good,
you know, do whatever you needto do to be safe. Yeah
you want the drama. You're like, would they say about me anything good?
Well yeah I would say that.Yeah. Basically, Well it's it's

(59:05):
it's funny. Um, it's likewhen men when when women tell them.
Tell men, hey, I don'twant to I don't want you to pick
me up to take me the date, or I'm not comfortable giving my number
out yet, you know, forsafety reasons. Men who men who aren't.
Yeah, men who are just likethat makes absolute sense, No,
no worries your safety is you knowutmost concerned. Or the men who get

(59:25):
upset. Oh well you oh youthink all men are bad blah blah blah,
and you started ranting for you Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um I
posted your photo in the will sheSuck My Dick group and they said,
yeah, so I don't understand,you know, Um, so I think
that it's it's a you know,it's definitely ah, it's a can be

(59:47):
a telling thing. And I thinkthat that's that is, even how they
deal with being in the group,can can maybe tell you a lot about
a person, Okay, even ifyou don't even if you don't, even
if you don't put their photo inthere. Yeah, I guess I'm warming
up to the idea of it.I just you know, the first couple
dates, maybe not, but Ithink after that yeah, and then yeah,

(01:00:08):
I mean I would do it afterthe first couple of days if you
decide, oh, this person issomeone that I want to put a little
more time into. You know thatthat point might be worth it. But
the first date, the second date, that's when you're still even getting to
decide whether or not you care enoughto even exactly wanted to keep talking to
it to him, Yeah, ifyou don't give a shit about them,
why are you posting a photo andthe and the group. It's not going
to change your decision on if youwant to get dating them, really because

(01:00:30):
you don't care. Now, Iso I did see um when I was
doing some research in this group andeverything that the group you can't get into.
But okay, the group I can'tget to that. There was this
uh, this woman who's a sociologist. She was a sociologist, a tender
and bumble and she thinks the groupscan do more harm than good. Said,
people could be seeking retribution or fabricatingthe whole story. There's no way

(01:00:52):
to discern the truth. And shesays this isn't the right place to error
stories of abuse. Authorities and peoplewho make who can make real change.
You need to be involved, suchas reporting abuse directly. The dating apps
is a more constructive action. Solook at the source worked at Tinder and
bumble. Of course she's going tosay that, I know, but she

(01:01:13):
used to work there, so Iwould think maybe she, you know,
she would have a little bit ofintegrity. But first of all, let's
let's let's let's tickle the two issuesof this. Number one, dating apps
do not fuck No, they don'tcare. They they need men to use
their app. That's where they gettheir money from, the desperate men and
shitty men. Yeah, men do, I mean so they do not take
instructive I do. You know,I know more women who've been banned from

(01:01:36):
dating apps than men, and it'sit's just oh yeah, women who reject
men. Uh. And then allof a sudden, the mental getting up.
There's whole subreddits where people share atender you know urels, because you
can share an actual tender our rget her profile bands. Well this this
bitch wouldn't wouldn't even you know,respond to me, and so then they'll
they'll reporter. Yeah. So thatthat, by the way, that's the

(01:01:58):
equivalent of the Facebook group is buchselvesbeing mad that a woman wouldn't talk to
them and then reporting her and gettingher banned off the apps. And so
I have I have, yeah,lots of I know, more women that
have been banned off dating apps thanthan men. And of course I've been.
I've been been multiple times, butthat's because it's usually because of promoting
data kind of sucks and they getmad about that or someone I think women
see daty kind of sucks and thinksthat I think that maybe I'm gonna be

(01:02:21):
like trying to like get shitty storiesor something like that, you know,
and they worry about that whatever.Although it has been, it has been.
Now like if I feel like ayear now and I haven't been kicked
out, you have been. Youhaven't been that active on the apps too.
It's yeah, maybe traveling around makesa difference to um. So,
so that's the number one thing thatthat it calls her entire thing and you
know, being ridiculous and bullshit.But the second thing is this idea of

(01:02:45):
false accusations. And there's this thisidea that well that men share, uh
primarily in men wine about all thetime is false accusations and general false accusations
of assault, et cetera, offalse axiations of rape that you know,
men are so worried about a falseaccusation. You know, they can't even
they can't even say hide a womanbecause they might get a false accusation.
When you look at the reality ofit is that even women who have legitimate

(01:03:07):
evidence to back up their accusations don'tget heard. They don't get actually any
justice. Women who have false accusationstime and time and time again, those
get thrown out almost immediately. There'sthere's been a whole study on it that
said almost immediately can tell if itwas something where a woman was saying it
out of fear because like she gotcaught cheating, so she said it was
rape or something like that, orum out of some type of like they're

(01:03:29):
afraid of retribution from a parent,or related to drugs, drugs or something
like that, being under the influence, and they can they can tell almost
immediately when when it is one ofthose things and it gets dismissed, nobody
pays attention to it. So theremight be yes, the accusation exists,
and then it disappears into the etherand nobody ever says anything. And then
even if it makes it to theyou know, there's been cases of of

(01:03:51):
where where it has it has gonethrough every now and then, but on
a statistical level, and it's yes, and it's so exponentially statistical. This
is the thing. Men are morelikely to be sexually assaulted by another man
then they are to have a falseaccusation against them on a statistical level.

(01:04:12):
Damn yeah, okay, but youcan never bring that up to a man
who doesn't like they were they wererelevant to them, because I think it's
something like one in five or onein six men will be sexually assaulted at
some point in their life. AndI think it's something like one percent of
accusations or false accusations, Okay,one percent, and those are just the

(01:04:34):
reported crimes, whereas you know,and and of course we all already know
that that it's something like eighty percentof sexual assault is never reported. So
like that's you know, when yousay that one percent is probably closer to
point oh one percent once you actuallylook at all the numbers of cases of
sexual assault. So you are muchmore likely to be the victim of sexual

(01:04:55):
assault by another man than you areto ever have false accusations. So the
next time then anybody starts o arguingthat that's that's the statistic to hit them
with. But so this woman tryingto say that, well, they might
be you know, false accusation.Blah blah blah. It's hurtful to women
in general, and I think it'sit's a it's a very terrible thing to
say. It's also the idea too, And this is this is something that

(01:05:16):
I think a lot of men whocry about false accusation don't understand. Sometimes
women it's not a false accusation.They were coerced, and then they walk
it back because they feel guilty aboutbeing coerced and so they they feel like
they should have they shouldn't have gonealong with it or something like that.
So it's something that's it's a subtlething, but it still was an actual

(01:05:36):
assault. And so if a ifa woman is saying that something happened to
her, chances are something happened toher, very very statistical level. Chances
are something happened to her. Andso it's better to listen than it is
to try to say, well,a false accusation might hurt people. No,
how about the fucking assault hurts peoplelike that? About? How about
what allowing a guy to continue toperpetuate that hurts her? To women?

(01:06:00):
More? Right? And God forbid, if women get together and talk about
things. I mean, it's it'seasier to keep women silenced if we're all
siloed and and just separated and inour own environments because we have no idea
that other women are experiencing the samething. Absolutely, Yeah, there's power
in numbers, and they don't likethe power that when women get together were

(01:06:20):
actually organizing her like smart and cohesivewith our thoughts. And when men organize,
what do they do? They geton Reddit threads and they try to
block accounts, you know what Imean. Like the two examples just right
there, it's like, Oh,we're actually trying to do something for the
greater good and help other women andjust be there, while men are just
trying to keep these shitty behaviors,going to get whatever self gratifying thing at

(01:06:44):
the end that's not actually good.Yeah. I mean when I remember when
I reached out to someone's boyfriend whoand he was trying to get with me,
I mean I was like, amI in the wrong for doing this?
But like I want to help herno matter what decision she ends up
making, I want to help herso she has all the knowledge upfront and
then she can address the situation anddo with it as she may and whatever

(01:07:08):
you know. But at least it'sbetter to know than I guess not know
and be in the dark the wholetime thinking that he's so perfect and pure.
I guess I hate using that wordfor men, like so pure and
never could do anything wrong ever,right right? Yeah, No, I
mean I agree, and I thinkthat that it's it's very telling that you
know that that's what women are tryingto do is protect other women. Yeah,

(01:07:28):
And I don't think. I don'tthink dating apps like, like I
said, dating apps don't do shit. I mean you can if a man
says something shitty on the app toyou or whatever, Yes, you can
report that they might not get theirprofile taking down bumble, might take a
couple days or weeks to get backto you to update you with the status
of something. And I'm not sayingthat the dating apps aren't trying to make

(01:07:49):
things better, but they can't controlthese ship bags. At the end of
the day, there's more of themthan there are of like the app makers
and the moderators on there, sothey're doing the best they can. But
you have to take it into yourown hands sometimes and say what can I
do to make the situation better formyself. And if that's a Facebook group
connecting with other people, then sobe it. Yep, I agree,

(01:08:10):
And I think that overall, likeI feel like they're the group like this
has more positive benefits, more benefitsthan it does as detriments. You know,
the occasional detriment is it might beyou know, if can it hurt
hurt your relationship? Like if youif nothing's suspicious and nothing's wrong and you
you're still posting your spouse or youror your boyfriend in there, are you
looking for trouble at that point?You know, like, are you paranoid?

(01:08:33):
Like you? Probably is it?Is it bolstering your insecurity or a
jealousy issue that you have, youknow, Like so it can probably exacerbate
some negative traits that you might thata woman might have in that situation as
well, so that it might bea negative to it, But I think
the benefits far away. Yeah,I mean the only other negative is just

(01:08:54):
really believing every single comment you see. I think ask qualifying questions, Like
you said, if they say,oh, that guy's a ship bag,
Okay, well what do you mean, Like what do you mean by that
let's take it offline. DM melike, let's talk more about it.
Instead of just going, oh,well, I knew it just from one
thing. It's like figure out whatthe situation was before coming to that final

(01:09:14):
verdict of he's not a person Iwant to date anymore. It's like a
reading restaurant reviews on Yelp exactly.It is like if you read the review
and you're like, wow, thisperson seems like just I don't know,
like you know, and the reviewsgiven you a weird feeling, and everything
else's seems very reasonable. Everyone else'sreview seems very reasonable. Then it's like,
okay, well I'm going to takethat with a grain of salt,
like maybe they just had a badday. Maybe that's what it is.

(01:09:36):
I don't know. You want tolet you so you want to listen to
whatever women had to say. Youwant to understand that men treat women differently.
So I mean every like one mancan treat a different group of women
differently, and so some women mighthave never had a bad experience with them.
But you also have to look andsay, okay, well, was
their experience actually that way? Wasthis? Are they being are they being
objective? Or is this subjectively,something that happened that had no bearing on

(01:10:00):
the man's bad behavior, but itwas something else instead, So you have
to really, you know, reallyweigh it. I also think too,
it's like you're the villain and everyone'sstory like in some not everyone's storyline,
but in someone's storyline. I'm thevillain for somebody that I did in the
past because I was exhibiting shitty behaviors, I was not mentally ready to be
dating. And I think that's,you know, to give some people the
benefit of the doubt, that mightbe the case with like, yeah I

(01:10:24):
dated him in the past, youknow, a couple of years ago.
It was awful, blah blah blah. But it's like some men can not
all, but some some man canlearn and change and grow and become better
people. And you know, maybesomeone says, you know, he was
a good guy, just didn't havea connection the end, and you can
go on and continue to date thatguy. I guess, right, yeah,
that's true. So I think that, you know, the only people

(01:10:45):
who should be worried about this groupwere people who were shitty men who are
shitty. I mean, at theend of the day, the only people
who should be worried. Dating ingeneral are men who are shitty because it
will always come out that they havedone shitty things, have shitty behavior,
or just stay you're just toxic anything. It will come out eventually, and
then they'll play victim and then they'lluse whatever stat to back up their narrative,

(01:11:09):
and you'll be smart and say that'sbullshit, and then you'll kick them
out of your life. Well,I absolutely agree. Yeah, I mean,
I think you've sold me more onit. I'm not against the groups.
Actually, I'm kind of like wantingto join one now, just to
see what the tea is in theSeattle area of If Seattle dating as bad
as natural dating was, I don'tknow, but it's a place where it's

(01:11:30):
like if we all met at arestaurant or tea time with the girls and
we just all talked about our husbandsor whatever, It's like, how else
am I going to get the information? Yeah? Yeah, And it might
be it might be interesting for youto do that and you couldn't report anything
specific back, but you could alsochat about what you've seen in a general
sense. M But you know,everything supp was a stay confidential as well,

(01:11:53):
but it would be interesting to hearwhat your thoughts were. Yeah,
directly, man I can't be ina group unfortunately. Yeah, it was
like man Ai didn't know no badthings on him. People just it could
just be depends on you know,the week or the city, harmless,
you know, I don't know nothingbad with him. Five star review on
this guy, right, he's anice guy, a good friend of mine.

(01:12:13):
Actually, you know, you neverknow, you might find it there.
Yeah, Unfortunately, there's probably moreshit stories than there are good ones.
But I would say it's probably true. It's about why these groups are
so popular right now is because they'regenerally more ship stories than than the positive
ones. Unfortunately. Yeah, well, yeah, well I think that's a
you know, good analysis of thegroup. I think that overall it's it's

(01:12:33):
more positive than negative, and Ithink in a significant way, and that
makes sense for the groups to beto exist. And I think that men,
if you're listening to this and you'regetting upset about the idea of it,
you should maybe look at the mirrorand wonder why. Yeah, I
think you should be open to likebe like Adam or like Roy would be,
and be like cool what they sayabout Yeah, essentially, you're like,

(01:12:59):
oh, okay, cool, theydidn't I didn't vite. Not everyone's
going to have good things to sayabout you at the end of the day.
Oh yeah, yeah, But youknow, I sometimes get people who
will be like, um oh,I just came across your TikTok. We
matched on Mumble once and we chattedfor a little bit, and then you
just kind of disappeared. And Ireally felt that was rude, and I
I, you know, I wouldlike you to maybe try to do a
little better and stuff like that.I've had people actually say that to me

(01:13:20):
sometimes, and I'm like, yeah, you know, sometimes the conversation just
either even if it's interesting, Ijust sometimes get overwhelmed and I and I
you know, just don't don't respondfor a few days. And I apologize
for that, and it's just partof you know, it wasn't it was
not any ill intent, but youknow, so, yeah, everybody's gonna
have you know, does everybody canhave negative things to say about somebody?
Yeah, well, I would sayif you're interested in joining a group in

(01:13:43):
your area, please do it andlet us know. And that gives you
a really good excuse to call ourdating kind of sucks hotline at four or
seven, five, one, nine, zero, one eight one. You
like that plug? I actually wouldlike to have a hotline question next episode
from a group of like I joinedit. I agree with you guys,
or no, you're wrong, Idon't know. Yeah, you know I
like to hear that too. UMAnd if you don't want to join that

(01:14:04):
group, you can join our groupon Facebook, which is UM. You
know, we talk about all tip. People get advice, they share dating
profiles, they whatever they they are, you know, just look for some
input sometimes, look for some support, a safe space, and that's Facebook,
dot com, slash group, slashdCas podcasts. We don't have that
many rules. I mean, wehave rules in our group, but there
I don't feel like they're as strictif you were to post something about I'm

(01:14:26):
dating. No, no, no, not at all. No. Yeah
no, they're very flexible, especiallyfor women. Men. You need to
get one strike and you're out.Yeah. Well if I throw the band
hammer heavy, oh no, becauseI see your updates of attention group,
here is an here's an announcement ofupdates and don't do this. There's that

(01:14:47):
to be like, don't do thisor you know, keep this in mind
yeah, but no, it's ait's a very good group. And you
know, we've got twenty five hundredpeople in there now and you know it's
yeah, it keeps growing every day. Yeah. Well, if you don't
feel comfortable joining our Facebook group forwhatever reason, you can always email us
at Dating kind of Sucks Podcast atgmail dot com with any questions you might
have. If you want something airedout of anything, you email us,

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we can do that as well,or you could DM us on our Instagram
at Dating kind of Sucks. Wedo get a decent amount of Instagrams with
dating advice and just comments and feedbackthere as well. M And if you're
listening to this, you should watchit as well. I'll try our YouTube
YouTube dot com slash Dating kind ofSucks, or try watching us on TikTok,
at Adam Vittable or at simply sarahgy you underscore and then, of

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course, for as little as fivebucks a month, after every episode or
most episodes, we record a specialPatreon episode for our patrons. You can
join for as little, like Isaid, as little as five bucks a
month at Patreon dot com slash DCSpodcast. And then, finally, if
you're listening to this on iTunes,please leave us a five star rating and
review. We're always looking for moreof those. By the way, the
other day I saw also one's podcasts. I'd been doing it for seven years

(01:15:53):
and they had five reviews, andI felt so bad for them. I
was just like, five reviews,Like how does that? Because you know,
like I feel like I feel aboutthat. We don't have a thousand.
We should be a five hundred atthis point with the amount of listeners.
I know we should. We should. So that's why, if you're
listening on iTunes, please go leaveus a five star rating and review.
Because reviews do help. They helpwith everything. Man, they help grow

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the podcast. They help show thatwe have an engaged listenership. And if
you're on Spotify listening to this,you can also give us a thumbs up.
And I think you can even writea review now, I think I
might have added that as a possibility, but definitely on the app. I
don't think you can do it ondesktop. Do it on the app?
Who uses Spotify on their desktop?I do when I'm working, all right,
okay, always me with the HolyBoomer Sarah, I listen to the

(01:16:39):
music on my on my laptop,Peter, Okay, well anything else,
let's leave. All right, Well, I think that's everything. We've got
everything taken care of. We'll beback in two weeks with a brand new
episode, and so thank you forlistening. Until next hanging out which fingers

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back at your places, listen tous as be getting to Buck a tender
and mumbling plenty of young trying andtrying and having a block because we all
know dating kind of sucks. Sarahand Adam are Duobi kind says stupid hit
and she isn't mind. They're notdoing what the show to make any buck

(01:17:20):
life as a chicken boos because asthey BLUs, why does it work?
We'll hear with the cruck they bothknow dating kind of sucks. Dating kind of sucks

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