The Toxic Passport Bros Phenomenon

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Hi, I'm Adam, ETHI Vitableand I'm Sarah. This is the DKs
Podcast, a podcast about love,sex, culture and society. This week
we'll be discussing the mighty losers knownas passport Bros. Enjoy the show whether
you're married or fingle, worrying andon Witzmanner's back of your Plate, Listen

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to us and be getting no buck, a tender and bubble of plenty of
young trying and trying and happened toluck because we all know dating kind of
sucks? And just like that,February is almost over. Why is it?
The January seemed to last three yearsand February's gone and what feels like
three days? Hopefully you reap theglorious benefits of a post Valentine's Day sale

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on chocolate and are now laying therechocolatey lips, eyes glazed over from too
much sugar. Ready for a brandnew episode. But before we get into
the phenomenon of passport Bros, we'llcatch up on our lives and answer a
question from a listener. And asalways, we want to hear from you
your thoughts, questions and suggestions eitherby email at Dating kind of Sucks Podcast

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at gmail dot com or on ourdCas hotline at four zero seven five to
one nine zero one eight one.We're going to keep asking, so you
might as well just leave a voicemailwhile Adam tells us about his birthday Shenanigans.
That's right, I guess, becausewe didn't record an episode last time.
I know we had just a fillerepisode, not a filler, just

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one from the vault, a classicValentine's Day episode where I accidentally said that
you were in Venezuela at the beginningof the episode. Yeah, I think
that's the new thing. Now youjust picture. I forget where you.
I can't rememberhere you are anymore.I know now you're in Seattle. But
yeah, I did have a birthday, and that since our last episode,

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and I did nothing. That wasthe amazing thing. The night of I
went out Thursday night before the nightbefore I went out, I met some
friends out of a place and thislittle cool place called Max Retro Pub which
has as a whole bunch of likepinball games and arcades and stuff like that.
And then it's all good. It'sgot a really cool retro design to

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like all types of like pop culturestuff that you've probably never heard of,
like Ghostbusters, you know, andthings like that. What the fuck is
wrong with you? Now? You'rejust okay, have you heard of Ghostbusters?
Yes? What the hell sir?I never know what You're not gonna
know? Like you know, Ijust I never know. I'm really surprised
by that, to be quite honest. Yes, have you ever heard the

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never the Never Ending Story? No? Is that on the same popularity level
as Ghostbusters? I don't think so. I don't know, kind of maybe
for older people, the Never EndingStory? Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
it was this movie and anyways,there's some stuff from there, but
yes, I mean there's all aroundthe same area. Gremlins. Have you

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heard of Gremlins? Yes? Okay, I'm literally legitimately legitimately asking, Yes
I am. But anyway, sothey have a bunch of that that stuff,
and then they've got like you canget all their drinks are like kind
of themed with that and pop rocks. They actually have pop rocks behind the
counter you can buy, which arekind of fun. I tried them,
and they don't explode your mouth ifyou drink them with a vodka Red Bull.
I will tell you that. Doyou know about the pop rocks thing.

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I mean, I've had drinks withpop rocks before, and I've had
are Yeah. Okay, okay,okay, you're just asking me if I
know what it is. I honestly, I'm just okay, this is this
is very amazing, this is amazing. Wow. Well, so there was
this this old thing that went around, this rumor that if you ate pop
rocks with like a coke, itwould explode. The pop rocks would get

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too fizzy from the carbonation of theof the coke and it would actually explode.
So you could kill yourself by doingthat. Similar to the whole mentos
and diet coke thing. Yeah,basically, yeah, but this is mendos
existed. That was meant, Ithink's mentos of coke. But yeah,
this is before mentos I think evenexisted as a candy. This is like
when we were when I was akid, and they have the pop rocks.
So it was very cool. Littlebar I went there. The DJ

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and I had recently matched on likea bumble, and I would you decided
to just kind of be friendly,like she's like, oh yeah, come
on, and you know, shejust had got into a relationship, was
still Unbumble hadn't ended it yet andthen matched, and so I went out
to say he to her, metsome friends out there, made it till
midnight, and then I was like, I'm done. I'm going to go
home, and then did not leavethe house for the rest of the weekend.

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My entire birthday was spent relaxing abook, I played some video games.
I slept in I really and Iwas like, I had people keep
texting me, Hey, come onout, and I'm like, I think
I'm good. I think I'm good. So I didn't. I didn't leave
the leave the apartment for for afew days. After that. I did
have a my groceries delivered, whichincluding which included a cookie cake, so

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I had I had, you know, iended have cookie cake for my birthday.
But it was fantastic. That's basicallyall I could have asked for was
to do things on my own.I know, I had all these plans
to go out and do shit tooand none. None of it happened.
And there we go. I washthose were I know, I know,
and yeah, what else is?What else is gone? It's been Uh,
obviously did nothing for Valentine's Day.There's nothing for me really to do.

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I think I might have got outon Valentine. No, no,
I didn't. I went out thenight before, but I was gonna go
out, just hit up a bar, but I did not. And I've
been doing open mics again, whichhas been fun. And I always what's
your new punchline for one of yourjust the just the punchline? I don't
know. I don't know if youhave a phrase that's just really funny that

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everybody laughs at. No, No, it's no, there's no catchphrases or
anything like that. It's just nothinglike that. Just I'm working on I
have my actually first, my firstshow coming up on this Friday. Not
that anybody who listens to this isgoing to be able to go to it,
because by the time this comes out, who's going to be in town
and et cetera. But your set, No, no, just fine,

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which is I wouldn't I wouldn't encourageanyways. But it'll be the first time
that I've I'm headlining, so I'mdoing about thirty thirty plus minutes. Usually
headliner is forty five plus, butthis is kind of a showcase, and
then I'm the headliner of the showcase. So I'm doing about thirty plus and
this is the first time that Ihave done over thirty minutes, or the
first time I've done over ten minuteson stage since I think we started the

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podcast for real, I might havehad one or two shows back then that
I did, but potentially yes,where I was headlining, so I did
forty, but I you know,I took a break from comedy and so
I wasn't out there doing it andan occasion i'd go to an open mic
and I would step up and dofive minutes or whatever, and that's that's
fine, yeah, you know,And so this is actually the first time

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sometime that since I've since I'll bedoing a longer set. I'm looking forward
to it. The advantages of thatis, you know, a short set
when you're doing open mic is you'retrying to cram everything in five minutes.
So you're trying to like get youknow, get your your premise, you're
set up your punchline, get it, get everything done so you can tell
the whole joke. And some jokesare quick and some some aren't. With
when you're doing thirty plus minutes,you get to stretch your legs a little

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bit. You can relax on stage. You don't have to rush through the
material, which it won't be won'tbe a problem for me, And I
think as soon as I get upthere, off immediately at home. But
right now I'm just like, Iwant to make sure I actually remember my
material. Now I've written about fifteennew minutes, So I've written about fifteen
minutes of brand new stuff that i'veyou know, that has never that I
haven't done on a part of alonger set. But I was still gonna

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have to incorporate about fifteen to twentyminutes of my older stuff into it to
fill the whole set. So I'mgonna have to practice, but I'm a
little a little like nervous about it. I will tell you that I you're
practicing, I am practicing. Yeah, I already told you this, But
I in the middle last night apparentlyI decided to do my set while I

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was asleep and had a dream thatI was on stage performing it and woke
myself up telling one of my jokes. So I legitimately was doing my material
in my sleep. And so itis something I'm obviously my subconscious is like
concerned. I was concerned about becauseI've been doing that. I've been having

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fever dreams about it. But I'mreally excited about it too. I'm really
excited to get up there and dothat again. And it's it's nice to
see my new material doing doing well. And and the new material is all
based around kind of real life storiesand I think, you know, dealing
with you know, different things relatedto my mom and taking care of my
mom and things like that as well. So I think it's it's it's nice

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to have kind of like the freshmaterial that's also not anything anybody's ever gonna
steal because it's so unique to mylife. So that's, uh, yeah,
we'll see. I know I've gotabout five or six people from here
who were coming out to it,which will be kind of nice to have,
like a just a few I know, some friends. It's crazy,
isn't it. I'm so proud ofyou. That's the other thing I was
gonna say. And this is theis I actually went out and did like

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a I went to my second gameday, which I think I did my
other one and never didn't mention it. Like at a friend's on a friend's
house, I met somebody through theTelson remote slack program who does a game
day at his house on like aSaturday from like one to six. And
uh So I went over the firsttime a couple of weeks ago, and
it was a lot of fun andyou know, medical people. We just
played like tabletop games. And thenI went back on this Saturday and did

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that again and had a really goodtime. And yeah, I think they're
they're like just nerdy enough, butthey're still fun. You know, like
there's that there's that threshold sometimes andsometimes people are just too nerdy to be
able to be social, so it'shard to have conversations with them or get
to know them at all. Andeveryone in there is I feel like just

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has has just enough social ability toothat they it's not it's you know,
not as it's not it's not awkward. It's actually it's pretty easy. It's
pretty easy to get to know themand to chat with him and stuff like
that. So that's nice. Soyou're making friends through that and then people
anthrow till remote yeah, yeah,yeah exactly, yeah, and through And

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I said in comedy has been goodbecause like after open mic the other night,
I just sat down and chatted withone of the older comedians who have
been more better in comedians, Iguess the better way to say, because
he's not really older, but who'sbeen around doing it for a while.
And we just chatted for a whileabout whole bunch of projects and things like
that, and yeah, it's ait's a good little community and I'm enjoying
it. And then Dulta Remote.Although I just got in trouble on the

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Slack channel today, I didn't fromno, no, they didn't care about
that that uh they uh some somesomeone posted it was just like, I
feel like I was tricked by TulsaRemote because the utilities I'm paying right now
are just as high as they werein my home and wherever homes did he
was blah blah blah and like andyou know, then nobody ever mentioned that

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I'd have to worry about that,like you know, the taxes on that
everything. And I and people arelike some a coupleople. One of the
person said, yeah, it doesfeel like a little bit of trickery.
And then some people were like,well, my mine's not blah bah blah,
and I I commented, and Isaid, well, most of us
were adults and did our own researchbefore we decided to make the choice.
You know, they if you camehere, and like, they didn't trick

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you, You just weren't informed ofyour own decision. You know, that's
that's on you. And someone waslike and that no, he got a
little but hurt about it and saidsomething back, and then I said,
oh, no, you're right,you were tricked. Look out everybody,
there's trickery afoot. And and thenhe tagged like the slack admin or whatever,

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and it was like, is bullyingaloud on the Tulsa remote a channel?
Oh this guy, this guy,yeah, you see he's been tricked
and bullied. Poor poor little boy. Is bullying bully? Yeah? And
so then they came in there andthey were very like very diplomatic about it
because I think they they're like,what is it? What is this some
bullying? You know, like theyjust said, you know, please make

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sure to keep everything very safe andnice and supportive or whatever. But I'm
just like supportive. I'm not gonnasupport some guy who's like bitching about it
being tricked about being here. Yougot ten thousand dollars to move somewhere,
and you decided to move somewhere,Like, if you like you Nobody like
forced you. Nobody like you know, made you sign it without doing all

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your research. I mean, theyencourage you to come to a host,
they come to a visit, theyencourage they give you a year to make
your decision. And if you can'tyou know, finding enough fucking information out
to come here, you can't askthe right questions or whatever, ask well,
what are the utilities? Like what? Like? That was a question.
I asked, what are the averageutilities? When I when I was
looking at apartments and I found theinformation on someone's like, oh here's what

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they usually vary. That was it. It was so easy and what he
didn't bother to ask, And Iwas like, oh, a good trick.
It's a normal adult question to askwhen you're moving to when you're touring,
is you're like, oh, whatare the average utilities? So you
know what, I think he moveddown to HU Tulsa where it's gonna be
so cheap, bucking just do whateverI want, you know, and didn't
think, oh, no, there'sgoing to be expenses. Maybe you're not

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going to make you know, likeyou're not going to make bank here.
It's just cheaper to live here.It's not like it's not like moving to
you know, hey, theyy justlike like like, it's not likely being
a passport bro and moving too ayou know, a foreign country just because
you can. You can be ayou know, be the equivalent of a
millionaire with a forty thousand dollars job. It's not that, you know.
And yeah, if that's what hewas hoping, maybe he was trying to
be a passport pro to Tulsa.I don't know. But yeah, so

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anyways, I got a little trouble. But that's okay. I'm not mad.
I'm honestly not mad at that.I'm not surprised. Yeah, I
know, I just yeah, Ididn't say this. It was funny.
The other night I was out withsome some of the Tell's remote people at
a bar and they had other peoplejoin us, and two of them,
can I recognize you from slack justbecause the like your beard. I just

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recognize your beard's in different colors.That's how I know your face. I
see your face pop up in thechests Slack channel, and I just thought
it was kind of funny that Ialready have a reputation on the Slack channel
somehow. What's your look? Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's what
it is. You're not the averageTulsa person right right. And it has
been now what today is the twentiethrecording is it's been almost a week since

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Valentine's Day. Huh, And Ican say that I am so fucking itchy
right now because for those who youfollow me on Instagram or are friends of
me on Facebook, you will seethat for Valentine's Day, I shaved a
heart into my chest. I forgotabout that and posted. My dad commented.
I was like, I hope thisis AI and I was like,
it's not. It's real, You'reI know, I shaved it real hard,

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but it is growing back right nowand it is so fucking as you
like. It's that's all I cando right now, just to be sitting
here itching my like scratching my chestbecause the hair is all growing back.
Maybe don't do that, I know, but it's kind of it's such a
funny like gag to do, youknow, Like I don't know, is
that a normal experience for guys whenthey shave their chests, that it's itchy?

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I would imagine. So I meanlike yeah, I mean, if
you're if you have I probably youhave a hair chest. If you don't,
if you don't have a lot ofhair there and you're just shaving the
like if you're a swimmer and youshave it regularly, the no, but
like when the first time you shaveit, I mean, you know,
this is the first time I shavedmy chest since last time I did that,
which, oh, okay, Iwas gonna say, if you shave
it regularly though, it won't bean issue. No, no, it

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wouldn't be an issue. But whenI think when you first, when you
first do it, it starts comingin. It's itchy, yeah, and
it's not not very comfortable. Soanyways, yeah, how about you.
How was you to Venezuela that Idid whatever whatever country it is you went
to. Yeah, you're you're you'rewhat first of y'all use missed Valentin's Day

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because you're in the agraga, Sohow was all that? Like, just
let's let's hear it. I mean, there was no Valentine's Day. Bry
and I really don't care about Valentine'sDay, so nothing happened. We called
each other like we do every night, and we said Happy Valentine's Day,
and that was posted on your Instagram. I mean, that's the least I

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could do, right, I mean, it is the absolute Literally do what?
What did you think an in feedpost? I mean, I don't
know fe posts. I've posted photosof him before in my feed. That's
not an issue. I'm just sayingI don't know, because I was traveling
and I was only gone for twoweeks. Anyways, it was like we

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talked about it of do we wantto do something when we get back.
I'm sure we'll go out this weekendto quote unquote, and I got a
cake from the grocery store. That'sfucking disgusting that. I was like,
Happy Valentine's Days is like chocolate cake, but it was chocolate with raspberry,
but it's mostly a raspberry cake that'skind of chocolate, so it's just a

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very fruity cake that neither him andI like. So that was a fail.
But as far as big Valentine's Dayplans, I think both of us
are past the point of giving ashit about it, especially because we've had
what three Valentine's Days together already,so right, who cares at this point?
But traveling with traveling didn't really impactour relationship much that's good. You

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were. I think you were.You know, you were kind of missing
on a little bit though when wefirst talked, when you were first there.
Well, I think because I like, here's the thing. I like
living in Seattle so much that itmakes me not want to travel as much.
Surprisingly, I am really liking ourspace. I like this city.
And I felt like before when Ilived in Nashville and especially Orlando, I

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was constantly trying to escape the citythat I lived in and I wanted to
travel and just get out of town. Where now I'm questioning is this worth
my energy to travel? And youknow, the first couple of days I
was in Nicaragua, I was like, Okay, this is great. And
then I kind of said and oflike I kind of wish I was home
because I won the city that westayed in in Granada. I mean,

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Nicaragua was great, but it wasn'tThere's not a lot of tourism in Nicaragua,
which is fine, and they wantmore tourism. But after a few
days, you can do everything inthe city. And I was just kind
of sitting there after work one dayjust kind of thinking, why am I
here? Like cool? Cool?I did everything I needed to do in
this city and what else am Idoing now? Versus when I was in

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Cape Town. There were so manythings to do every single day that I
was constantly every day before work doingsomething and then talking to him at night,
that I didn't feel that same lullof what else can I do here?
So I think that's also part ofthe reason why I was missing him
and wanting to come home. Andof course I told him that and was
saying, like, maybe maybe Ishouldn't have been gone for two weeks.

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He's like, what are you abitch? Like? He's like, this
is the person who goes on likefour or five week trips. And he's
like, it's like the first weekand you're already sad at missing me.
He's like, tough it up,and I was like, yeah, you'r
race, like, yeah, you'llbe fine. This is one of your
shortest trips. And then on oneof my last days in the country,
I said, yeah, I'll beflying back on Saturday. He's like,

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so soon. I'm so used tobe you being gone even longer. So
it was just funny that he waskind of teasing me just how short this
trip was and how it was justdifferent, but it was a good amount
of time to be gone and enjoysunshine and hot weather. But now that
it was so hot there, nowit's to me, it feels incredibly cold
here now. So I'm freezing myass off, and he's like, why

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are you so cold? Like Ijust came from ninety two degree weather where
I was sweating my ass off wearingclose to no clothes every single day,
and now I'm freezing in the sweatshirtand sweatpants and big size. It it's
summer because that's south of the equator, right, No, it's not.
It's still north of the equator theequator. Think Ecuador, Ecuador, keto,

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Ecuador is actually where the equator is? Yeah? Okay, oh wait,
hey you're in Nicarago. I wasthinking Venezuela again. I feel like
that's pretty close. No, isVenezuela south of the Equator, isn't?
Yeah? Okay, No, nowI know where Nicaragua isn't Central America?
Yeah? Yes, Central America?Yeah? But yeah, I mean that
was that was pretty much it.I did a lot of cool shit in

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Nicaragua that I'll touch on in anotherone to see, but I mean it
works with our relationship. Still,we are going on a big trip this
summer internationally together with a couple ofother family members, so that'll be fun
to do. But I still wishyou know, you don't want to tell
anybody to make them all jealous.I mean, I'm I don't really like
announcing where my next big trip isbefore. I like, I'll mention it

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probably the week before, but sixmonths okay, maybe it's not six months
out, but I'm going, Okay, fine, fuck it. I'm going
to the Olympic Games in Paris thissummer. I mean, it's pretty fucking
cool. Like that's something that Ifeel like, is like, you know,
we're worth just dimensioning. I thinkthat's that's that's awesome. Yeah,
so who knows, maybe we havesome French ship listeners who'll be like,

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hey, probably be like, don'tcome. That's all all the feedback has
been, don't come, stay thehome. So that's all. Well,
I don't want to mention it's true. I think it's fucking awesome though,
that'll be that'll be great. EvenI don't even watch the Olympics and I
still think it's cool. No,that's been a bucket list thing for me
since I was eight years old watchingthe Sydney Olympics and thinking I want to

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do this. I want to gothere one day, I want to travel
outside of I want to be inthe Olympics one day. But no,
I want to watch them live oneday. I mean, like I wasn't
being unrealistic as a kid, Iwant to be a gymnast. No,
Sarah, you're well at that pointto at eight years old, you're past
that fucking mark. If you don'thave trading already, you're kind of done
for So, yeah, you couldhave still joined the speedwalking team or something

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like that. This speedwalking the hellout of here. But it's a real
thing, is it? That isnot an Olympic sport? I think it
is. There's no way. Let'ssee speed walking. Obviously track they have
all of those different meters that yourun as part of the competition. But
racewalking, Yeah, it's a racewalkingevent. It's called that's what it's called.

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Well I don't have tickets to thatevent unfortunately, but twenty kilometers basically
and it's been going on. Holyreally. Yeah, so it's it's definitely
it's just it's fucking speed walking whereyou you can't have. You have to
have at least one foot on theground at all times. Oh, your
calves have to be burning. Ohmy god, that's funny. So yeah,

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it is actually a thing. Iguess I could have trained if I
would have known. The only reasonI thought about that because I just saw
this movie what's it called it,like Queen Pins, with like Kristen Bell
and someone else who's very funny,Kirby how a Baptist. I think that's
or maybe I got those Kirby Baptistetowel. Anyways, about the couponing that

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went like became like a criminal enterprisemaking millions of dollars or whatever. The
Christen Bell's character is an Olympic formerOlympic speedwalker, but basically she's like,
you know, you don't make anymoney after Olympic athletes don't, Like you're
not rich, you know, likeeven if you win, you like unless
you get endorsements or whatever. Sothat's what I thought of that, But
as movie worth watching, I wouldrecommend that Queen Pins. Okay, I

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was gonna say, don't you haveto pay taxes on your medal too?
If you win? I think probably, which is absolutely ridiculous, Like that
that is insane. That should thatshould be a tax free benefit. I'm
just we tax everything, the Americanwife, that's why some people avoid taxes.
That's the other American way. Allright, well, let's go ahead

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and take a break, and whenwe get back, we have an interesting
listener question that well we shouldn't weshould We'll get it all. I'll explain
why why it's so interesting when wewhen we come back from the break.
So this is an interesting one,and what makes it interesting is just the
context of it is. It cameas a in the form of a YouTube

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comment, actually several YouTube comments,because he ran out of character space as
he left these long comments on oneof our YouTube videos. And it wasn't
even about this topic. He justwatched I think a couple of our episodes
and had just a lot to say. And then I went back to actually
grab the comment. It was like, oh, that's actually what worth talking
about. I went to go grabthe comment from YouTube and it's gone.

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So I think he deleted the comment. So I'm not going to say his
name just because he deleted and obviouslyhe thought maybe we're gonna make fun of
him or something like that. Idon't know. I don't know what,
but like I or maybe he justthought about you wanted to be anonymous after
he made the comment. Yeah,so I'm not going to say who he
was, but I do. Idid still have the comment in email.
It still came to our because youknow, you get the fully e mail.
So I'm going to still read someof his comment and just kind of

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contextualize it and and kind of skimit a little bit, give you guys
the broad strokes and then we candiscuss it, because I think it's it's
a it's a good perspective. It'sfrom you know, we don't get a
lot of men giving perspectives on thingsor asking questions or you know, anything,
and he did have a little vulnerabilityin here, so I think it's
worth worth mentioning. And if youhave a question, you can also email

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as a Data kind of Sucks podcastat gmail dot com or call or hotline
at four oh seven five one ninezero one eight one. And I'd appreciate
it if you would, because weneed more content. This is this is
always helpful to have questions from peopleanyway. So this guy, it goes
into the group talking about men topicis what he says, and so we're
talking about the Facebook group, arewe dating the same man? And so

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he's referring to this, He says, I think it would be better if
it wasn't on social media where everyonein the city, where the world can
see. I think we were underestimatingwhat a man mentally goes through. I'm
not saying that women don't deserve theirsafety. I think there's a way of
regulating these groups to make sure pettythreads are not made. And then he
goes on to say that his picturewas in one of these groups, and

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both his siblings and his ex fiancesend him screenshots of it, and the
thread was very mean. One ofthe women talked about how me taking in
a poodle that one of my exeswas getting rid of made me seem gay.
So then they all started questioning sexuality, and then other women started coming
up and describing situations that were notexactly how they were just trying to make

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themselves. It seems like the centerof attention maybe, like one one said
that she ghosted him when it wasn'tactually this is the situation. And another
girl I had been with sexually onetime and the second time I was too
tired to really finish. Apparently thatgot mentioned. Another woman said that she
called Just called him a coward anda bad kiss her because he broke up

(25:52):
with her after a date and didit by text, and she didn't post
the whole conversation, just posted thetext me breaking up with her, not
her response about preferring to be ghostedinstead, and so he basically, you
know, Just is arguing about thefact that the group you know can be
very harsh for men. His exwife or his ex fiance found the group

(26:14):
and use a group to try toshow that I am not appreciated for who
I am, and that broke uphappened. That breakup happened four years ago.
This post was made about me ayear ago. I literally brought up
to my therapist. It's not goodfor guys like me that struggle mentally with
everyone being against them and have tostruggle with the idea that everyone thinks something's
wrong with them. In my sessions, I'm putting all of this weight on
me. It's my fault, I'mchoosing them, et cetera. I'm aiming

(26:37):
to try to be the perfect personin career and in person, which of
course is impossible. We're supposed tobe sympathetic to mental health struggles as a
society, and we truly are not. I'm fine with keeping the groups,
but regulate some things need to beprivate. We don't know what everyone is
going through. And the only reasonI share this is because I'm still struggling
with the thought of my picture beingup in that group with those comments,
with half of that story. Sothat's that's the gist of what what he

(27:00):
said he did. Then there werethere's other things that he commented on too,
but I thought this was, youknow, it's something that's still worthwhile
talking about. We didn't. Idon't think we discussed this when we talked
about the topic at all. Yeah, we didn't, and so let's let's
let's go ahead and discuss it.Well, yeah, I mean, part
of the reason that these Facebook groupswere created was to have an open dialogue
about men in their area and callingout shitty behavior. So when it's actual

(27:25):
shitty behavior like oh he ghosted me, or you know, just all of
these red flags really abusive behavior andwomen, and I, because I'm in
the Seattle Facebook group, women actuallycalling out actual shitty behavior and then describing
it in the comment section. Ithink that's totally okay, and it's like
warning other women. But I thinklike the whole poodle situation of questioning his

(27:51):
sexuality or other comments that are likecalling out things very specifically. And I
think it's okay to mention toxic orwhatever, but when you're calling out something
very very specific, I think thereshould be some kind of moderation to comments
like oh he's gay because he tookin a poodle. That's not okay to
post in general and let alone inone of these groups where the internet does

(28:17):
live forever and now people can seehis photo and associate that with him is
pretty unfortunate. But I don't thinkFacebook groups should be completely shut down or
they shouldn't be public anymore. Ijust think there needs to be more moderation
on whoever runs that Facebook group tosay, hey, you can't say those
things, or if you're going tobe making a post about somebody and calling

(28:38):
out shitty behavior, make it moregeneralized. And if someone says, hey,
actually i'm dating him right now orI just match with them, could
you send me more information? Youtake that off that main thread of the
post with his photo and you justDM one on one and actually go into
more details so it's not as public. Yeah, and I did think that

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there are some of the rules ofthe group. Is supposed to be no
random insults, no like attacking thingslike that like that has actually is against
the rules. But if it's notmoderator appropriately, then that's the problem.
Because because I agree, I agree, and I will say that you know,
as as someone who I have nosmall share of of my trolls,

(29:21):
there there's obviously an entire I havean entire troll army of people who have
eventually gotten bored with it over theyears because I don't react to them.
But for many years, would youknow, try whatever I whatever I would
have I would hear comments and thingslike that, and I would also get
screenshots of what people were saying aboutme, and and I would get I
mean, I've gotten death threats.I've gotten you know, you should kill
yourself threats. You know, I'vegotten all types of things like that for

(29:44):
a long time, and some andif I wasn't as secure as I was
in who I am and as confidentin the fact that you know that it
wasn't warranted, I could see thathaving a huge, huge negative effect on
my mental health because even even youknow, even my mental health was still
affected to a degree, Wellely,I would still still get you know,

(30:07):
still get frustrated and depressed by that, by that, you know, and
even though I mean, I'm prettypretty mentally solid in that in that arena,
So I can imagine that finding,you know, someone who maybe is
having issues with the concern of selfesteem and confidence and who they are and
trying to be the best student andthe best you know at their job and
the best person, and then findingout people are saying they're the exact opposite
of their best that could be prettydebilitating. So I do agree that there

(30:30):
should be more regulation in that sense. I think that it's also okay for
someone to say, hey, ifyou see me in one of those groups,
don't tell me about it. Likeit's you know what I mean,
Like it's like it's okay, it'sokay to set that boundary and be like,
I don't want to hear it.I just I don't want to know
whatever we're going to say, Likethat's there. You know, they're working

(30:52):
through their own issues for the mostpart, you know, And I and
I definitely should have been it shouldhave been regularly like someone whos saying,
oh he has a poodle is gay. That should been deleted. That woman
should have been banned, because that'sthat's not okay, you know, And
I think that you know, youdon't want I know that if if someone
were to put my my picture upon on on these groups, I would
probably have people who said, ohyeah, we matched on bumble and then
he just stopped replying and we wouldsay stuff like that, because I had

(31:15):
somebody somebody say that up to meon TikTok one time, oh yeah,
you know, we matched, andyou just you just kind of ghosted,
and I was like, well,not to be um, actually, but
yeah, I can't really ghost ifwe had never met, like if we
just we're just chatting, the conversationjust died. She as well, you
know, I just maybe you shouldtake that into consideration and try to be
more respectful of people's time if youdecide you don't want to date anymore.

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And we thought that that's a levelword. Everybody kind of lets conversations done.
But I'm saying everybody has done it, so I mean that there's there's
always even is as aware as Iam about you know, women's safety and
all these other concerns that I tryto think there's going to be people who
are to be mad at me becauseof how I reacted on a dating app
and had nothing to do with anythingother than me either getting bored with the

(31:56):
conversation or getting overwhelmedy dating app apps, or just setting I was done communicating
or being social with anybody and andjust shutting them all down. And so
uh so I can imagine that likesomebody who might be kind of bumbling through
dating, which it sounds like hemight be a little bit, you know,
he's made made some you know,missteps, he's going to have people
who are gonna jump to saying somethingnegative and and that can be hard to

(32:22):
see. So so like, Ithink we're all in agreement that yes,
these groups should exist because women's safetyis paramount, but we don't want to
have men's mental health genuinely affected becausemen men will talk about mental health,
oh well, but what about men'smental health, And then in the same
breath will insult women or be misogynisticor be shitty and and or or won't

(32:43):
or will step on women's voices orcentered themselves to talk about mental health instead
of creating their own space. Andso those men, I'm like, you
know, go fuck yourselves that they'rethey're not being you know, they're being
very disingenuous, but there are thereis a genuine you know, you can
also genuinely consider me men's mental healthat the same time you regulate these groups.
Well yeah, And I think itgoes back to like if you're posting

(33:04):
anything male or female in any ofthese groups, if there's a women group
or a men group calling out women, you should still be somewhat discreet and
respectful to a degree of like Okay, I'm not going to air out everything,
or like call out he has asmall dick, or I like there's
certain things that maybe you shouldn't poston the internet, whether you're in the

(33:29):
right or not, you should.I think you should be limited to things
that are relevant to safety and safetyor like like informed consent like oh no,
you know he said he's dating metoo, or oh that's my husband,
you know, like something with itshows that you know that you know,
you didn't consent to be in apolycule with with a group of group
of women, you know, likeyou thought you were dating this person,

(33:51):
just you so that and and thenanything related to any other type of safety
or you know, any type ofaggression on that person's part, anything that
it should be limited to that.I agree. Yeah, and we know
that there's a men's group about women. It would have nothing to do with
safety. And I'd be like,well, does she swallow or does she
fuck on the first Yeah? Doesshe fuck on the first date? You
know, like that's it basically,Yeah, That's what all it would be.

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And it would be absolute trash becausewhich is why they pretty much don't
exist. I don't see them.Some men would try to create one like
and in just immediate I probably gotbanned by Facebook almost immediately basically because it
was not not what they just goesagainst our community guidelines immediately. So no,
pretty much. So uh yeah,and uh if you if you are

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the one who commented that and thenyou deleted it, you know, I
do want to thank you for thecomment and want to encourage you to either
if you have other other things youwant to talk about, you can feel
for you to comment. You can'temail, so like it's all you like,
if you want to email it andtalk about it too, I'm happy
to discuss it with you, youcan leave it, you can call her
voicemail. And if you want toemail and you have private questions that you
don't want to be on air,please it's okay to email too, Like
you don't if you tell us thatyou don't want it air and we won't,

(34:58):
we won't air it, right,and so please feel free to email
Dating kind of Sucks podcast at gmaildot com or call in it four oh
seven five one nine zero one eightone and uh, you know and ask
us a question or tell you knowit gives your thoughts. Yeah, and
again, everything can be anonymous ifyou wanted to be anonymous. I think
there's we could change your voice ifyou send in a voicemail. If you
don't want your voice baking, wecan figure that out too. Yeah,

(35:21):
we did. We did as somebodywho left the voicemail and said that she
does not consent to her voice beingused, but we can summarize her her
voicemail. And I was like,well, that sounds like a lot of
works. And now I'm going totry to figure out if I can actually
figure out how to distort her voice. She can sound like Darth Vader or
something that's right. But if not, then we just won't bother because it
was it was because I know whoit is and it's one that it's not

(35:43):
very like. I'm not really inclinedto give that person any anymore space anyway.
So yeah, we'll see what happensto that. Now, normally we
would have it What's see with SarahG. But you know, since she
just recently got back from Nicozuela Thanaragua. Uh yeah, yeah, you haven't

(36:04):
have time to write it writing thingyet, so you'll have one next next
episode, right, yep. Allright, let's go and take a break,
and when we come back, weare going to talk about the shitty
phenomenon. I'm known as passport Bros. Well, it's no surprise that I
travel a lot, and I runacross a lot of different types of travelers,

(36:24):
and I hear a lot of questionablethings from men and women. But
mostly when it comes to this topic, it's men talking about how openly talking
about in a bus full of peoplewhere everybody can ease drop on their conversation
on how much better it is tobe outside of the United States and be

(36:45):
in you know, Latin America orjust another country where the US dollar goes
further and date women who actually respectmen. And it really pisses me off
to no end. When I'm inthe bus hearing this conversation go down,
I just want to turn it onundto be like, well, actually,
you know, if you actually respectedwomen, maybe they would respect you too.

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But it's this, so many menwho travel who think that they're the
ship because they travel because they havequote unquote all this money, because they're
spending money in these poor ass countriesand not thinking about their privilege or anything,
just think they can walter right intowhatever country let's just say Columbia for
example, and start dating women becauseit's they have the money to date to

(37:27):
show off to these women that Iguess the women think, oh, I'm
so impressed that he has money becausethey're they don't have that money, so
they want to date him for thatreason. And then they live in a
culture where they I guess respect menmore because they don't believe in feminism.
So the men are more drawn towardsdating women in those circumstances, and it's

(37:52):
better for them for monetary reasons.They're getting late. They're just happier outside
of the US because they don't haveto deal with feminist ideas, right,
Feminist ideas like you know, havingstandards and expecting men to you know,
share their their share of the bird. You shoulder their share of the bird,
right, Like a relationship can bean equal partnership between two people.

(38:15):
But that's not what they want.So that's they're going elsewhere to other countries
to quote unquote get the perfect relationship. And those are passport bros. Where
they travel, they spend their moneybecause they have more money in this other
country that's typically a poor country wheretheir dollar goes further, and then they
take advantage a lot of the timesthey're taking advantage of women and getting what

(38:38):
they want out of that relationship andsaying, oh, well, it's just
the culture, and the culture fitsperfectly for me because I'm typically a white
male in this situation and they wantwhat I have. So life is good.
Why don't you. So there's twodefinitions of passport bros from Urban Dictionary
that are both terrible, and Ithink you should both of them. Okay,

(38:59):
the first one, and I wantto that I want to share my
definition of a passport I know becauseokay, the first definition, the passport
bros are men who have chosen toseek out foreign women, typically from other
countries, for relationships. They believethat Western women have been influenced by cultural
and societal pressures to behave in acertain way, and that by seeking out
foreign women they can find more authentic, fulfilling, and harmonious relationships. This

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is seen as a way to restorethe natural balance between masculine and feminine energy
and to avoid the wickedness of Westernwomen. That right there, just fuckingord
war wrote that definition. Oh absolutely, who says the wickedness of Western women?
That is a terrible phrase? Yeah. Definition. The next one's even

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worse, so can you believe it? Okay? So this one is men
in the West who understand that theWest, particularly the US, is a
sinking ship, both financially and culturally, and they're for choose to live in
countries where their money goes further andthey're treated with more respect, particularly by
women. Passport bros understand that theirlives would be better in places like Southeast

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Asia and Eastern Europe because strong familyvalues are still seen as the norm in
places like that. Hookup culture isn'tas rampant in those parts of the world,
and thus the population especially the womenare far less damaged. They create
better and stronger family units. Like, is that really want fucking men want

(40:31):
our family values? Get the fuckout of here with that too. Hook
up culture, there's no hookup culture, bitch. You still are hooking up
with women as you travel in othercountries in Southeast Asia or Latin America,
and you don't give a fun familyvalues. Get out of there with that
definition. That's stupid too. It'swell, it's it's just hypocritical as hell

(40:52):
too, because it is something wherethey by hookup culture, they're not talking
about themselves, they're talking about women. They want women to be virginal.
Of course, who do they thinkthey're hooking up with when they hook up
with multiple women too? That like, they just don't have any mentality to
address that. So here's my definitionof a password pro. It's your average
unwashed American douchebag who is sick ofwomen who expect a partner to exhibit emotional

(41:15):
intelligence, work on reducing them,elimiting their toxic masculinity, and women who
have high standards when it comes tothe men they want in their lives because
they don't need someone anymore. Insteadof trying to be better men. Passport
bros travel to lower income countries andlower developed countries where they think their particular
brand of misogyny and toxicity will bewelcomed because they have money and they'll finally

(41:37):
have the submissive, stay at homesex sly that they've always wanted. That's
a passport pro. Yeah, theydon't want family values. They want what
they call traditional family values, andso in their mind, traditional family values
is the woman stays home, shecooks the meals, she takes care of
everything, she shuts the fuck up, doesn't give any pushback, and never

(41:59):
divorces, no matter how much youcheat or abuse or do whatever you want.
And unfortunately for the women in thosesituations, if they are coming from
lower income countries, they can't reallyfind a way out, Like it's hard
for them to make more money tochange that situation. So sometimes they stay
in those shit relationships because they're like, well, at least I have some

(42:21):
money coming in, so eventually Ican save enough to get out of this
relationship. But that could take fuckingyears. It's not like they could save
up in a year and get outof that relationship. They could be stuck
for five to ten years. It'slike an I mean, any abusive relationship
people get. You know, we'rein there for a variety of reasons.
So the biggest, I think,the biggest hypocrital thing is this other in

(42:42):
this definition, men who understand thatthe West is a sinking ship financially,
so they're going to go somewhere wheretheir country and some other country where their
money goes further and gentrifry the shitout of it. Well that's number one,
But number two, genius, ifyour money, if the US is
a sinking ship financially, your money'snot going to go further if if if
the you know, if the USare just shit, you know done,

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so you obviously know that's not true. You know that that like you know
that your money is always going tobe going further there. That's why you
go there. So trying to liketrash the like the US. At the
same time, it's just it's ait's a funny little bit of hypocrisy there
as well. It's this idea thatwomen respect men more in foreign countries,

(43:22):
in lower income countries, et cetera. And it's not there's obviously there's there's
cultural distinctions. There's a lot ofit is religion. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. The prevalence ofreligion makes a huge difference. I mean
it's because people subscribe to to religionand and the you know, the family
units are still they they are alittle bit behind. Like America, yes,

(43:45):
has started off in that that worldof religion. Family. Religion family
now started giving women freedom to maketheir own choices, and women, you
you know, as a as individuals, chose whether they want to continue to
pursue religion or step away and dotheir own thing. And a woman deciding
to do her own thing out offreedom is not disrespecting men. No,

(44:07):
it's just now their thumb right now. We don't have to do what you
want to say. We can chooseto do to be with you if we
want to. And that to menis to these types of douchebags, is
the largest amount of disrespect you couldpossibly have. Is a one I'm saying,
I'm choosing to be with you,and if you don't, if you
can't do X, Y and Z, then I don't want to be with

(44:30):
you, and I don't have tobe with you, and I'm out.
Yeah yeah, well, and Ithink too. Traveling is seen as this.
It is a huge privilege to travelin general, to have the money
to be able to purchase a flightat state, at a hotel, whatever,
whether it's for a weekend trip ora week or a month or whatever.
And a lot of these people don'tconsider their privilege in anything that they

(44:53):
do. So they go to thesecountries. They're like, I'm just like
you, only I'm from the UnitedStates or some the country, and they
think that they're fine and all oftheir actions ignoring their privilege throughout everything that
they do, and I actually findit pretty disrespectful. I mean, I've
met fucking men in my travels thatgo out and they bring other women who

(45:14):
live in the country to dinner andthey pay like it's like the fucking biggest
deal ever. And they're like,oh my god, don't worry, I'll
pick up the check. And thenas they pick up the check, they're
like, oh, this is sucha cheap check. You know, the
check was not that much anyways,and oh yeah, this is such a
cheap country, no big deal,and they kind of like shit on them

(45:34):
the person that they're with in frontof everybody, to like, what prove
that they have quote unquote money,even though the check was cheap. It's
a very weird dynamic of like theyowe you, Like now the woman feels
like they owe you because you pickedup the check, because you have all
the quote unquote money. In thiscountry, it is blue of the same

(45:55):
guys that in the US take awoman out a date and say, well,
I paid for dinner, so youhave to fuck me. Yeah,
I mean that's really it's the samesame attitude, yea. And also so
another aspect is that beyond the respectthing is that they don't like that they
think that American women are fat.I saw those on one One of the
other things too, that women andAmerican women are fat and lazy, and

(46:17):
so they go abroad because that's notwhat women are like in other countries,
and like it's just funny that they'vebuilt this monolith and they're like, I'm
sorry, not all women are SophiaVigara or you know, like or Samahayek
or you know, like women comein all shapes and sizes, and there
are women of you know, Imean, of every way you can imagine,

(46:39):
in every country, and and theyjust think this has the idea that
you know, they're all beautiful womenwho barely speak English, and they stumble
on their English and they speak brokenEnglish and it's so adorable and and they
they're gonna look, they're gonna lookat me with so much respect and be
like, oh, oh, you'verescued me from such a from a from
a life of squalor. You mustbe a king. Like that's what that's

(47:00):
what these idiots are thinking. AndI I and there I just first of
all, like, just the factthat she doesn't speak English, or speaks
English with broken English, doesn't meanshe's not smart. Intelligence has nothing to
do with their ability to speak yourlanguage. And how many other languages does
this dumb fuck? No, probablyonly fucking English, and he's shitting on
her for not knowing English. Canyou fucking speak Spanish or whatever other language?

(47:22):
Oh? You probably fucking can't,yep, exactly. Because you know,
I think that even in the lowerincome countries, you're going to see
women still are educated. They're stillgoing to school. You know, we
are in the you know, inthe twenty first century. I think that
you know, there there was probablya time where Eastern European and South American

(47:45):
women, like if they're especially inreally religious groups, probably we're not as
well educated but I don't think that'shappening as much now. I think that,
you know, education is improving toa degree that you're going to find
that And I mean, how dothey learn to speak English too? You
know, like that a lot ofthem do speak broken English. Yeah,
and but these men assume that they'rethey immediately assume superiority over these women because
they know English the woman doesn't,Yeah, right, and because they have

(48:07):
forty thousand dollars, which is oneof the there was some art of the
article that we had was like,forty thousand dollars goes a long way.
I was like, dude, ifthat's what if you're proud of the fact
that you make forty thousand dollars ayear, and that's like you're basing your
entire pride on going to a foreigncountry to be like you could spend that
time home trying to find a betterjob if you wanted to. Yeah.

(48:28):
Well, and so you know,we've obviously talked about how women in the
United States are dating men less andlike the birth rate is dropping I think
across the board around the world,but the United States women are saying,
yeah, we're kind of done withthis shit. South Korea is also doing
the same thing. There's this Iforget the name of the movement. They're
just saying, yeah, we're notdating you guys anymore because you guys fucking

(48:52):
suck. So depending on which countryyou go to, it could it could
be a domino in the future ofjust women around the world are all saying
yeah, we're done with men.Well, I mean it's you know,
it's funny. It's like, youknow, you went to a rave when
you were in Nicago, right,and like the music was all your It

(49:15):
was tailored towards European tourists for sure, right, which meant who was always
older. Because I don't know ifyou know, but like music has a
trend where it like you'll find thatin like Central America and South America it
tends to be like a decade behindor like fifteen years behind, like the
musical tastes and trends or like it'sweird. And I think fashion kind of
does the same thing. And Ithink a lot of it's because things get

(49:35):
recycled and then get you know,and so they end up in Central and
South America and then become popular whenthey were already popular in the US.
And I think that what these mendon't understand is that feminism isn't a fad
women deciding to you know, there'sthe whole men going their own way movement
mg Twowa. Women are going theirown way as well, you know.

(49:57):
And as cultures become more progressive,and progressive is always a good thing,
and it's very rarely that culture hasbecome regressive. Women are going to start
to find independence more and more asthey break out of religious dogma, as
they break out of some of thecultural stigma, and as new generations start
to come around. And and asa result, these men are eventually they're

(50:21):
only going to be able to goto like I don't even know where,
like like North Korea, which isfine, you know what, let's just
send all the password whereas to NorthKorea and maybe that's that's where they can
find people to date. But yeah, it's it's they think it's like,
you know, Western world is corruptingbecause it's giving women choice, and that

(50:43):
is that is the most disgusting concept, like philos life, philosophy to have.
Yeah, yeah, And I haveno respect for these men who I've
met who just openly say those thingstoo, and Unfortunately, it's not only
men from the United States, it'salso men from Europe saying those things.
So as much as you women inEurope are also you know, equally enlightened,

(51:07):
yeah, and you know, andsick and as equally sick of men,
right, but it's just an it'sfortunate and unfortunate that men have said
these things out loud. Now weknow right that they're truly shitty, But
then it's like, really, youcan't even respect the women in your own
zip code that you have to gosomewhere else to find a woman who probably

(51:30):
doesn't fucking like you either. Let'sbe real, but do whatever you want
to do. And it's also sadtoo because these men have the privilege to
travel to these beautiful countries experience theculture, and all that they take away
from it is that they can controlwomen in these countries. It's not anything

(51:50):
else with the culture. It's cheapand they can control women and that's their
travels and that is probably the saddestthing to me, because they're missing the
fucking point right, yeah, entirely, and they I mean they've they've missed
the point from the beginning, Likeif if, if you are in your
home country, your home state,your home city, wherever you are,

(52:10):
and women are telling you to yourface, hey, I need you to
have some emotional intelligence. It'd begood for you to go to therapy.
It'd be good for you to understandmale privilege. It'd be good for you
to understand that we're a partnership andwe you know, we share things equally,
and that includes household chores and includeseverything else. But that makes the
partnership work better. And I wantyou to be able to communicate. And
I want you to be able toshare your emotions and not bottle them up.

(52:34):
And I want us to be ableto talk through things. And so
women say that, and men arelike, oh gosh, women don't like
like they make it impossible, Liketheir standards are so high, what is
this? This is bullshit. Ihave to work on myself. No,
I'm just gonna go somewhere else wherewomen won't ask me to do that.
And like, right, like,when if that's what that's what you're being

(52:54):
asked by women and you decide insteadto go to foreign country to do it,
you've already started on the wrong foot. Like your life would be so
much easier if you're like, yeah, it would help me to be improved.
It would help me to go totherapy, learn how to communicate better,
learn how to process my emotions better, learn how to be accountable for
my actions. If you did allof those things, you'd be a better

(53:15):
person overall, and you would youknow what, you would find better people.
And so when they in their instantreaction is I'm going to go overseas,
then you know immediately that this isjust a worthless, spineless, little
shit bird of a human being whodeserves to die alone. Yeah. And
I don't have a problem with menwho have worked on themselves and identified the

(53:37):
problems and done whatever, and thenthey go travel and they happen to meet
someone. Might not been the mainmotive for their trip, but they happen
to meet someone, and then thatflourishes into something that's different. That's fine,
yes, But your main motive fortraveling somewhere is so your dollar goes
further and that you can meet womenthat you can basically control. That's you
should Your passport should be fucking revoked. I agree. I mean there's and

(54:02):
there's so many passport bros that havebeen like gotten in trouble because they they
start to think like that they're fuckingAndrew Tate in there, you know,
they Oh, yeah, let's justuh, let me try to get as
many women who love money or needmoney to try to as you know,
and try to get them together andtry to, you know, see if
I can get this like Harem andend up, you know, end up
trafficking women as a result of it, just by you know, trying to

(54:25):
attract as many of the poor,unfortunate women in the world who are willing
to respect them quote unquote, Yeah, that's and you're very right, is
that if they're If if someone justyou know, moves to their country and
appreciates the culture and they love thelife there, and they love the weather
and the and the just the history, and they actually like respect the people

(54:47):
who live there as well. Yeah, and and they like that their dollar
goes further there, that's fine.None of that is none of that is
wrong. If they happen to findsomebody while they're there, because hey,
I'm a country where I live,I want to live. I want to
live here, not because the womenare gonna be submissive to me because I
love the area, and they findsomebody, there's nothing wrong with that,

(55:08):
But that's that person's never gonna callthemselves a passport bro. That's just like,
that's like an expath. That's likesomeone who's just a you know,
who's an actual traveler, someone who'sactually has depth and personality and intelligence and
I probably you know, some levelof emotional intelligence as well, which obviously
we know that the passport bros arelacking all elements of that. And I

(55:28):
would say for a majority of maletravelers that I've encountered, and they're mostly
let's say from twenty to their earlythirties, they do not have the emotional
intelligence or just they have not doneany of the work to get to that
point where they're actually fully appreciating theculture. They're just there to party and

(55:49):
spend the least amount of money andmaybe hook up with girls, right,
I mean, And that's the thingis, I don't have a problem with
that either, as long as like, I don't have a problem with this,
because a lot of times international travelis a good way to get that
perspective, to develop an understanding ofyour privilege, you know, like over
as you get a little bit older, you're like, oh, I remember
going there and how poor it waset cetera. You like you start to
remember you like you put those together. So people true travel when they're young

(56:13):
and dumb, and then they startto understand better. But I don't even
problem with them like hooking up withpeople, et cetera. I think it's
only if you're going there with theattitude of well Western women are stupid,
uh and you know, and theydon't respect me, so I'm gonna go
where my money gets me women LikeI feel like that's the mentality. It's
this idea that because their their dollargoes further and they can find women who
aren't who are submissive, Like that'sthe problem. But if you if you're

(56:37):
just like you know, you're twentyyear old idiot dude or twenty two year
old idiot dude who's just like travelingand you enjoy partying and you get laid
and like and you're but you getlate anywhere like you just because you're kind
of laid back and and sure,you know that's that's I feel like,
that's just that's different. That's justyour average average juicey dude, you know,
like that's not really like that's aguy that probably doesn't work, probably
doesn't wash his ass. You probablywant to get his you know, make

(56:58):
sure he's checked for for ticks,you know, pretty frequently. But it's
not somebody who's like a He's notlike a harriful misogynist, you know what
I mean. Like this is thisis the perpetuation of like a direct misogyny.
This is somebody who does not likewomen as a passport grow someone who
does not like women as human beings. He does not see them as human
beings. He wants someone who isa sex slave. He wants someone who's

(57:19):
gonna be you know, he'd dowhatever he asked in the bedroom and should
be virginial, but it should alsobe really good in bed at the same
time, because of course they don'tunderstand how that works. And then secondly,
want someone who's gonna take care oftheir house. They want that housewife
and make sure that they're they're satisfied, so have to they have to be
a mom at the same time too, Right, But I'm saying from the
men who are twenty, like midtwenties to thirties, there is a level

(57:39):
of like just your party traveler,and that's all fine, but a group
of those men that continue on thatpath for the next ten years that think
my life's perfect and my dollar goesfurther, it starts generating those toxic behaviors
and this lifestyle that they've lived fora long time. Yes, yeah,
absolutely, Yeah. I'm just Iwas just kind of distinguishing between like the

(58:01):
yeah, like that, just thelevel of missogy it takes to make the
active decision of like, you know, I'm I'm I'm going to go try
to find I'm gonna go out thereand try to you know, find someone
who's willing to put up with me, to to be my wife or or
girlfriend or whatever. Because it's allwomen's fault in America that they want that
I can't get find a date.It's their fault, you know, like
that mentality, right. But somedude just traveling around and it's just like

(58:23):
getting late. I'm like, yeah, you know whatever, more parts having
fun for sure, just having fun. Yeah. I guess the guy that
I'm specifically pinpointing a lot of thispassport bro stuff, he started out as
just your average traveler who you know, would just hook up with people here
and there and just having fun,who has now turned into this misogynist who
does not understand anything that he's doingis wrong and continues to use women across

(58:47):
the world and his dollar goes further. So he says, yeah, yeah,
exactly, and I hate those people. I will go on record,
I will say something to those peopleto their fucking faces. So yeah,
now those people should there should bea Facebook group just called is he a
passport bro? And that should bejust a list of pictures nobody's just saying

(59:07):
about them. That just just toshame the passport bros. Uh, just
around the world, so everybody knows, stay away from these guys. Well,
and do you notice there's not likepassport girls. Of course, like,
yeah, the women are. Thereis no equivalent because once again women

(59:28):
women are like I'm not I justdon't want to date men like they're like
I'm you know, unless a manmeets my standards. And it's not a
oh I need a man who's reallyconservative, or I need a man who's,
you know, really religious. SoI'm going to go somewhere that's a
you know, has a really religious, you know, lifestyle to try to
find somebody. Have you noticed toothat all these guys, none of them
are what anybody would ever call catches, like they're they have hats on and

(59:51):
sunglasses and all of the photos becausethey're receding hairlines and just their looks are
fading. But then they want totalk about how women in the United States
are fucking ugly and all of thisshit. But again it's like that,
it's like the guys who are thewhite supremacist too, Like it's always like,
oh, you think you're the pinnacleof a human race, right there,
you buddy with no chin? Likeyou know, it's always the people

(01:00:12):
who are the absolute ugliest motherfuckers onthe planet who are like, you know,
who think that they're the you know, the the pinnacle male supremacy or
white supremacy, and they never are. And that's what you want to carry
those genes, right, yeah,you think those gens are going to strengthen
your your race? No, notat all, dude, Well tell us

(01:00:36):
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