September 18, 2024 • 12 mins
What happened when we quizzed Tim Minchin on his musical knowledge? Things took an awkward turn and got a little bit heated so this interview is now offically rated R+.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Seeing Whip with Kate Richie Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, we absolutely adore this man. Here's a brand new
book out. I already got a couple out. He's getting
greedy now when it comes to books. The new one
is called you Don't Have to Have a Dream. It's
out now. Tim Minchin, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Books.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Just talk about books on morning radio. That'll keep driving.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I love your work, whatever you're doing into it. We've
always had to dream, Tim Heaven.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We we're always told as kids that we have to
have a dream, a five year plan, a ten year goal.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, what do you want to be when you're older. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It's kind of mad, isn't it. I just I think
it did. It does damage this idea that everyone not
only like having it. There's lots of problems with the
idea of having a dream. One is if you have
to have something, you have an ambition, have a goal,
but a dream is like this thing like if I
think about it with my heart enough, I'll get there.
Obviously there's those problems, but the big problem is the
idea that when you turn fifteen or seventeen or twenty,
(00:57):
you have to know what your goal is is. And
I think you know the thing I say in the book,
in these speeches that the book is a collection of,
is that I think if you just concentrate on what
you're doing, like just absolutely throw yourself into whatever it is,
and that includes like washing dishes at a cafe or whatever,
and then to see what the next step is.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I guess that's the general advice.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Tim uh I loved. I mean, I'm a writer as well.
I wrote an erotic fiction too, personal track.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And all those ones on the internet that you that
you wrote under the cousins.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Called my cousin. Yeah, no, no I didn't. That wasn't me.
I just did the one personal trainer one. But I
like to write down quotes when I come in, when
they come into my head. Yes, and one I wrote
down the other day which was very deep but almost
applicable to what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How people go?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I how good's the timing? My quote is, It's not
a matter of timing. It's a matter of time.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh it's really good. Makes much. I mean the bumper.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's a I call that fridge magnitude.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
If you do something at a certain level for long enough, Yeah,
it'll eventuate into something great.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I think that's probably true. Print on the book.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Is I'm going to put a sticker more. I reckon
that there's truth in all this stuff. I mean, it's
all about the timing my interpretation. So in one of
the lessons in my book is it's all about luck.
And I believe that very very very deeply, Like everything
is luck. And people go, I go, I'm just lucky,
and they go, but you've worked so hard, and I'm like, yeah,
(02:33):
but I didn't make the bit of me that works hard,
Like I got taught to work hard. I got a
brain that likes working hard. Like it's all just I
just got lucky. And so when people say it's all
about the timing, what they mean is you can't control
this stuff, but your brain is. If you just stay
completely focused, then then you've got lots of shots at timing.
(02:54):
You know, if you work really hard for a really
long time, the odds that you'll intersect with an audience,
or you'll intersect with a job that you like, or
you'll intersect with a person you fall in love with,
they increase because you're keeping yourself active.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You just got to keep focused.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So who was your mentor who inspired you growing up, Like,
who taught you to work hard?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Tim was?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think I just had sort of strict parents. But
also I think it's just my genes. My dad's a
surgeon and his dad's are surgeon, and it's just this
sort of methodical, diligent work ethic. And I'm one of
four kids, and we were just expected. There was just
no taking the mick. What do your other siblings do well?
My big brother is a CEO of a not for
profit home care company for disabled and elderly people. My
(03:36):
younger sister is the documentary maker now mentioned who's won
heaps of awards. And my sister Katie worked for a
Live Nation and was a primary school teacher and now
she works for me.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And that's all of us.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, And I do what I do you create
when you come together or you don't want to talk
about work or is it I don't even know how
creative I am. I mean, I do a lot of
creative things, but again I take this sort of quite methodical,
unromantic view of it. I'm a storyteller, I guess, and
a songwriter and I absolutely love it. But we're not
artif arty, like we're not like yeah, you know, just
(04:09):
wait for the inspiration.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We're like, this is my job, it's your job.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I don't value what I do over what my
siblings or what anyone. That's another thing that I think
is in the book. This part of the don't have
a dream thing is we elevate, you know, fame, and
just because I don't know the way the world structured
and social media makes it worse. I think young people
grow up thinking that if you're not shiny or something,
(04:32):
that it's not valid and I just don't. I don't
even feel it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
When you get recognized though, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I mean, it makes you feel good? Yep, every now
and then. I would prefer it wasn't going on. But
I'm at a really good level, you know, I just
live a normal life. I'm lucky though, because I'm an
extra it or at least I really like people and
I love the interactions I have.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Under that idea, do you feel the reward?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Like when you have all the success you've had with
Matilda and it was recognized on stage and there's there's
symbols of trophies and things like that, do you does
that feel good to yours? Just in out or output.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I feel hugely grateful for everything that's gone well, and
I'm incredibly grateful for the awards Matilda's one, But that
is nothing compared to how excited I am that millions
of children have seen that show.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, loved it? You know? Is that the greatest part
of the process? Is it the writing? Is it? Is
it coming up with something royalty checks? I mean that
thing just doesn't like the greatest part of the process,
for you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Love the making of it. I sitting around a room
with a bunch of people going what if this happened? Yep,
that is amazing. I've got an idea feeling. Can you
play a game with us? How much of a musical nerd?
Are you a Broadway nerd? Are you do? You do?
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, we've called it musical or crimes against music either
from a music all quotes of.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
My work, because my work really that is the Van
Diigen musical or crimes against music.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, the funny thing is Tim said, unless you guys
have got a great game, I'm not coming in.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I love a game. I love a morning radio game.
Bond for this, You've come to the right place. Yes, Okay,
We're going to do a Gotcha call next as well. Tim, so.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Get a video message from my mum.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Just put on a bit of Whipper's Mom. You're looking
better than last time? What al right? Here we go?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
First one, A boy like that who'd kill your brother?
Forget that boy and find another? Is that from a
musical or is that from a band that has made
crimes against music?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I feel like I'm judging people when my lyrics said
right on the line, but somewhere between very good and
maybe that lyrics sounds like a musical to me, But
that sounds like a musical.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Listen, good boy like that? You your brother? Or get
that boy and find it? Not website story, I believe.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I don't know that that's Sunnime lyrics. That's some wrote
that when it was like twenty five. Really Burnstein music,
but sometimes.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Wow, extraordinary. We're going to okay?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Second one, I'm going to trade this life of fortune
and fame. I'd even cut my hair and change my name.
Musical or is that a crime against music?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I reckon that's a pop song, but I don't know
who it iss? A roster Yeah, they are massive. Do
you know that Chad huge song. Why is that a
crime against music? People are such snobs?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's a great song.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
He has an ice hockey rink in his house, does
Michael bub does he really do you go?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I know, look, I'm not I'm not going to tout
my carbon footprint.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But I don't think keeping a frozen lake in your
house is particularly twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
On if he uses solar sol that's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That'd be a funny way to twist your soular energy
into the the.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Purpose of us. Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Number three, as my money gets older, let's get younger.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
They sell their soul. But the devil knows I have
no number.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's going to be a rock song as well. That
sounds like American rock.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Here when the famous Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The devil come on man, that's good lyrics.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's okay. Question number four, never again? Will we live
behind bars?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Never again? Now that we know that we are e v.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
O LT I mean that that night, do we need
to do twenty minutes on how good that is?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It is? Okay? The last one here, This is a
tough one. God in the.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Is that a musical or is that a crime against music?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I think that's a musical. I think you're spot on.
I think it's Mormon. Can I ask you about the
Book of Mormon? Amazing, unbelievable, extraordinah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Very very good and attributed, of course to the South
Park guys. But it's Bobby Lopez deep deep Bubby Lopez.
Bubby Bobby Well, I actually.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Don't know the distribution.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But Bubby wrote a musical with puppets that had that
song it's called Avenue Q and had that song Everyone's
a little bit racist and stuff and it's super edgy.
And then the South Park Boys tapped him to do Mormon.
And then he and his wife Kristin Anderson Lopez wrote
a little musical call Frozen.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So Bubby Bobby wrote, do you want to build a
snow Man? Well, Bobby and Kristin and Kristen wrote let
it go.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh my gosh, what a talent.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, he's in one months and he's this really little dude,
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And so the South Park Boys approached him, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Because those guys know how to write songs, but not
like that, not that that is an amazing musical and
it has its cake and eats it too, because it's
kind of a it's mocking a musical, but managers to
still land as more than just a parody.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's quite incredible, unbelievable. Tim mentioned we could spend hours
with you. I don't have hours, but we have to
promote your new book. You don't have to have a dream.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's out now, your third book, this is your first,
this is your first nonfiction.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I don't know it's much serious ones. But I've got
a graphic novel of a poem I wrote called Storm.
I've got a couple of kids books that are as
lyrics from Matilda. And this is a book of speeches
I wrote over the last ten years. So basically, books
to me are just exploiting old ip. It's just like
what's around stuff, put a cover around it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
People are by.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's a little bit cynical about this book. I was like,
all right, we can publish my speeches. But then I said,
why don't I write some essays? And then we got
this beautiful illustrator. And now I'm really proud of it.
And I particularly had a total about turn on my
attitude to it because a couple of weeks ago, while
I was in the US, my son started reading it.
And he's fifteen, and he wouldn't necessarily go to my work.
(11:24):
He's my son, he doesn't watch my stuff. But he
started asking all these questions and I suddenly went, oh,
I see this. I knew it'd be for like twenty
to thirty year olds or whatever, but it actually is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Useful life being for young kids. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, it's just a it's quite meditative love of that. Yeah,
it's about creativity and just to chill and work hard
and don't worry about other people's experts.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, there's loads of advice in there, but I.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Can't wait to read it. I really can't.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, you're going to finally do something with your life
after you've read this book. Than mister Minchin, thank you
very much for coming in pleasure, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Thanks to him. Sits in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is
a Nova podcast to walk great shows like this. Download
the Nova player via the App Store or Google Play
the Nova player
Seeing Whip with Kate Richie Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Well, we absolutely adore this man. Here's a brand new
book out. I already got a couple out. He's getting
greedy now when it comes to books. The new one
is called you Don't Have to Have a Dream. It's
out now. Tim Minchin, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Books.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Just talk about books on morning radio. That'll keep driving.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I love your work, whatever you're doing into it. We've
always had to dream, Tim Heaven.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We we're always told as kids that we have to
have a dream, a five year plan, a ten year goal.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, what do you want to be when you're older. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It's kind of mad, isn't it. I just I think
it did. It does damage this idea that everyone not
only like having it. There's lots of problems with the
idea of having a dream. One is if you have
to have something, you have an ambition, have a goal,
but a dream is like this thing like if I
think about it with my heart enough, I'll get there.
Obviously there's those problems, but the big problem is the
idea that when you turn fifteen or seventeen or twenty,
(00:57):
you have to know what your goal is is. And
I think you know the thing I say in the book,
in these speeches that the book is a collection of,
is that I think if you just concentrate on what
you're doing, like just absolutely throw yourself into whatever it is,
and that includes like washing dishes at a cafe or whatever,
and then to see what the next step is.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I guess that's the general advice.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Tim uh I loved. I mean, I'm a writer as well.
I wrote an erotic fiction too, personal track.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And all those ones on the internet that you that
you wrote under the cousins.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Called my cousin. Yeah, no, no I didn't. That wasn't me.
I just did the one personal trainer one. But I
like to write down quotes when I come in, when
they come into my head. Yes, and one I wrote
down the other day which was very deep but almost
applicable to what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How people go?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I how good's the timing? My quote is, It's not
a matter of timing. It's a matter of time.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh it's really good. Makes much. I mean the bumper.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's a I call that fridge magnitude.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
If you do something at a certain level for long enough, Yeah,
it'll eventuate into something great.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I think that's probably true. Print on the book.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Is I'm going to put a sticker more. I reckon
that there's truth in all this stuff. I mean, it's
all about the timing my interpretation. So in one of
the lessons in my book is it's all about luck.
And I believe that very very very deeply, Like everything
is luck. And people go, I go, I'm just lucky,
and they go, but you've worked so hard, and I'm like, yeah,
(02:33):
but I didn't make the bit of me that works hard,
Like I got taught to work hard. I got a
brain that likes working hard. Like it's all just I
just got lucky. And so when people say it's all
about the timing, what they mean is you can't control
this stuff, but your brain is. If you just stay
completely focused, then then you've got lots of shots at timing.
(02:54):
You know, if you work really hard for a really
long time, the odds that you'll intersect with an audience,
or you'll intersect with a job that you like, or
you'll intersect with a person you fall in love with,
they increase because you're keeping yourself active.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You just got to keep focused.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So who was your mentor who inspired you growing up, Like,
who taught you to work hard?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Tim was?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think I just had sort of strict parents. But
also I think it's just my genes. My dad's a
surgeon and his dad's are surgeon, and it's just this
sort of methodical, diligent work ethic. And I'm one of
four kids, and we were just expected. There was just
no taking the mick. What do your other siblings do well?
My big brother is a CEO of a not for
profit home care company for disabled and elderly people. My
(03:36):
younger sister is the documentary maker now mentioned who's won
heaps of awards. And my sister Katie worked for a
Live Nation and was a primary school teacher and now
she works for me.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
And that's all of us.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, And I do what I do you create
when you come together or you don't want to talk
about work or is it I don't even know how
creative I am. I mean, I do a lot of
creative things, but again I take this sort of quite methodical,
unromantic view of it. I'm a storyteller, I guess, and
a songwriter and I absolutely love it. But we're not
artif arty, like we're not like yeah, you know, just
(04:09):
wait for the inspiration.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We're like, this is my job, it's your job.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And I don't value what I do over what my
siblings or what anyone. That's another thing that I think
is in the book. This part of the don't have
a dream thing is we elevate, you know, fame, and
just because I don't know the way the world structured
and social media makes it worse. I think young people
grow up thinking that if you're not shiny or something,
(04:32):
that it's not valid and I just don't. I don't
even feel it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
When you get recognized though, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I mean, it makes you feel good? Yep, every now
and then. I would prefer it wasn't going on. But
I'm at a really good level, you know, I just
live a normal life. I'm lucky though, because I'm an
extra it or at least I really like people and
I love the interactions I have.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Under that idea, do you feel the reward?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Like when you have all the success you've had with
Matilda and it was recognized on stage and there's there's
symbols of trophies and things like that, do you does
that feel good to yours? Just in out or output.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I feel hugely grateful for everything that's gone well, and
I'm incredibly grateful for the awards Matilda's one, But that
is nothing compared to how excited I am that millions
of children have seen that show.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, loved it? You know? Is that the greatest part
of the process? Is it the writing? Is it? Is
it coming up with something royalty checks? I mean that
thing just doesn't like the greatest part of the process,
for you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Love the making of it. I sitting around a room
with a bunch of people going what if this happened? Yep,
that is amazing. I've got an idea feeling. Can you
play a game with us? How much of a musical nerd?
Are you a Broadway nerd? Are you do? You do?
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Not at all?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, we've called it musical or crimes against music either
from a music all quotes of.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
My work, because my work really that is the Van
Diigen musical or crimes against music.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well, the funny thing is Tim said, unless you guys
have got a great game, I'm not coming in.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I love a game. I love a morning radio game.
Bond for this, You've come to the right place. Yes, Okay,
We're going to do a Gotcha call next as well. Tim, so.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Get a video message from my mum.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Just put on a bit of Whipper's Mom. You're looking
better than last time? What al right? Here we go?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
First one, A boy like that who'd kill your brother?
Forget that boy and find another? Is that from a
musical or is that from a band that has made
crimes against music?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I don't like this.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I feel like I'm judging people when my lyrics said
right on the line, but somewhere between very good and
maybe that lyrics sounds like a musical to me, But
that sounds like a musical.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Listen, good boy like that? You your brother? Or get
that boy and find it? Not website story, I believe.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I don't know that that's Sunnime lyrics. That's some wrote
that when it was like twenty five. Really Burnstein music,
but sometimes.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Wow, extraordinary. We're going to okay?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Second one, I'm going to trade this life of fortune
and fame. I'd even cut my hair and change my name.
Musical or is that a crime against music?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I reckon that's a pop song, but I don't know
who it iss? A roster Yeah, they are massive. Do
you know that Chad huge song. Why is that a
crime against music? People are such snobs?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's a great song.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
He has an ice hockey rink in his house, does
Michael bub does he really do you go?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I know, look, I'm not I'm not going to tout
my carbon footprint.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But I don't think keeping a frozen lake in your
house is particularly twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
On if he uses solar sol that's.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That'd be a funny way to twist your soular energy
into the the.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Purpose of us. Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Number three, as my money gets older, let's get younger.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
They sell their soul. But the devil knows I have
no number.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's going to be a rock song as well. That
sounds like American rock.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Here when the famous Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
The devil come on man, that's good lyrics.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's okay. Question number four, never again? Will we live
behind bars?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Never again? Now that we know that we are e v.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
O LT I mean that that night, do we need
to do twenty minutes on how good that is?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It is? Okay? The last one here, This is a
tough one. God in the.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Is that a musical or is that a crime against music?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I think that's a musical. I think you're spot on.
I think it's Mormon. Can I ask you about the
Book of Mormon? Amazing, unbelievable, extraordinah.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Very very good and attributed, of course to the South
Park guys. But it's Bobby Lopez deep deep Bubby Lopez.
Bubby Bobby Well, I actually.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Don't know the distribution.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But Bubby wrote a musical with puppets that had that
song it's called Avenue Q and had that song Everyone's
a little bit racist and stuff and it's super edgy.
And then the South Park Boys tapped him to do Mormon.
And then he and his wife Kristin Anderson Lopez wrote
a little musical call Frozen.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So Bubby Bobby wrote, do you want to build a
snow Man? Well, Bobby and Kristin and Kristen wrote let
it go.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh my gosh, what a talent.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, he's in one months and he's this really little dude,
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And so the South Park Boys approached him, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Because those guys know how to write songs, but not
like that, not that that is an amazing musical and
it has its cake and eats it too, because it's
kind of a it's mocking a musical, but managers to
still land as more than just a parody.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's quite incredible, unbelievable. Tim mentioned we could spend hours
with you. I don't have hours, but we have to
promote your new book. You don't have to have a dream.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's out now, your third book, this is your first,
this is your first nonfiction.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I don't know it's much serious ones. But I've got
a graphic novel of a poem I wrote called Storm.
I've got a couple of kids books that are as
lyrics from Matilda. And this is a book of speeches
I wrote over the last ten years. So basically, books
to me are just exploiting old ip. It's just like
what's around stuff, put a cover around it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
People are by.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It's a little bit cynical about this book. I was like,
all right, we can publish my speeches. But then I said,
why don't I write some essays? And then we got
this beautiful illustrator. And now I'm really proud of it.
And I particularly had a total about turn on my
attitude to it because a couple of weeks ago, while
I was in the US, my son started reading it.
And he's fifteen, and he wouldn't necessarily go to my work.
(11:24):
He's my son, he doesn't watch my stuff. But he
started asking all these questions and I suddenly went, oh,
I see this. I knew it'd be for like twenty
to thirty year olds or whatever, but it actually is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Useful life being for young kids. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, it's just a it's quite meditative love of that. Yeah,
it's about creativity and just to chill and work hard
and don't worry about other people's experts.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean, there's loads of advice in there, but I.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Can't wait to read it. I really can't.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, you're going to finally do something with your life
after you've read this book. Than mister Minchin, thank you
very much for coming in pleasure, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Thanks to him. Sits in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is
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