October 10, 2025 • 44 mins
Steelers take on the Browns on Sunday for their first divisional game of the season, Max and Rob continue to break down the matchup.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, hello everybody, thanks for being with us on this
Friday as we get ready for football, the return of football.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Max.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We saw a game last night, but it's a return
of Steelers football. We'll get to the game in a moment.
But how are you feeling, my friend? As we turned
the corner, get into the weekend and get ready for
the Steelers and Bronze at Akroscher Stadium at one o'clock
on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I just want to make sure I do not look
like the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Umm.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Oh, you know comes comes on. That's one boy. But no,
I'm doing well. I'm looking forward to you know, the
game this Weekend's gonna be a good one. It's gonna
be a great matchup and you know we got to
take it to the Brownies, so I'm excited. You know,
just one more one more day of practice really for
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the team. You know they'll have what they call Fast
Fridays today and then after that you're two sleeps away
from from being on the field, you know, one o'clock
on Sunday for the for the squad. So just looking
forward to hearing how it's going practice wise. It's been
a clean week. You haven't had any no, no, no
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significant injuries to talk about. Got popped up during the
practice week. Been looking at that practice participation reports. So
hopefully you know, if you can go, you do show
your yourself. If you cannot go, hey it's okay. We're
you know, the team will be playing in four days
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the next time, so you might miss one, let's try
and get you back for the next one.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What is fast What is fast Fridays? Max? Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
That that that's where you know, you have to come
up with a name that wasn't up tempo walkthrough essentially
that's what it is. So you try, you're trying to
create a name that makes it seem like, oh, this
is something so fast Fridays is is an unpadded walkthrough
esque pact practice, but you're just moving around at more
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pace than I'll walk through, gotcha. But separates itself from
from this from the Saturday version of it, which.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Is really a walk through.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so uh yes, and we're we're definitely keeping an
eye on the injuries and we're gonna get to that
in a moment. By the way, Missy Matthews is going
to be joining us as well. I just have to
ask you quickly, Uh, last night's game, Max, I thought,
I thought Jackson Dark looked good. He looked sharp. I
thought their game plan was good. They got rid of
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the ball quickly, but they did it in a variety
of different ways. He made some throws and I was like,
whoa man, those are some nice throws into tight windows.
And the Giants knocked off the Eagles, and this crazy
beginning of the season continues, it does.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I mean the game was high scoring. I mean, you're
talking about thirteen ten. At the end of the first quarter,
it seemed like it was good. Okay, you know, they're
they're they're getting up for them, and then yeah, they
just they just kept it going. I mean, Jackson Dart
had a rushing touchdown then, you know, and then then
there was a passing when I can't remember, I think
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it was to Wandale Robinson. That's right, Wendale Robinson called
the bat and then it was a cam Scattabu show
after that. And you know, people on social media have
been talking about this cam Scataboo Jackson dark relationship. Well
that that little dynamic duo put a hurting.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
On the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I couldn't believe what I was seeing because even though
I just seen this team on Sunday against the Broncos
and kind of fall apart at the end, man, it
looked like mentally they just they did not have the
eye of the Tiger. Defense was horrible. As good as
that defense was last year, it is a shell of
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itself with a majority of players that were on that
squad last year.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And man, it was crazy to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Crazy. Uh you know it's hard to repeat, right, you know,
the physical toll it takes, and you know everybody always
talks about that and how long, you know, how short
your off season is and uh, you know, all of
a sudden, now you're shooting commercial and you're doing other things,
and you know, but it is, uh, it is amazing
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what's happening with this season. You know, I don't think
anybody would have had the egos with a couple of losses.
I don't think anybody would have had the chiefs of
two and three. There is some there's uh there. Well,
let's put it this way. Let's let's let's spin that
on its head and say, there is now opportunity. If
you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, man, you have opportunity ahead of you.
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Let's go, let's take advantage of it.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly how you
have to look at you this season. It feels wide open.
What's good as bad was bad as good, what's up
as down was down is up right. It feels like
it feels like bizarre world. But this is the parody
that that that the league has has dreamed of, has
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hoped for. They don't want dynasties, they don't want Juggernauts.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know, they want they want the.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I think I would credit it more as an illusion
versus a reality. They want the illusion that everybody can
win any given Sunday, all the cliches, all it takes
is one. You know, they want every cliche to live
alive and well in the NFL. But the problem was
had some teams we were just better at doing stuff
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than others, and other teams that just seem to be
a nept.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Is probably the best word to say at figuring it out.
But this year.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We put every year in a silo. This year alone,
you have seen more of the bottom teams rising up.
You've seen more of the teams and markets you wouldn't
see going against known teams and known markets. So you
can get the game on television, and then now you
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can see fans coast to coast. You've got six international
games right that are played overseas, and none of those
games are connected to US Oil currently Canada Mexico having
gotten it. Canada has his own brand of football. That's
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while it won't be going to Canada. We tried the
Toronto series with the Buffalo Bills. Now they're just back
in Toronto, and a lot has been invested in London, UK,
Jacksonville especially, you know, having a South American game in Brazil,
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and like you said, then going to Ireland and Spain,
I mean, and then you know Germany, there's gonna be
a watch party there this year. I think next month
is a watch party in Germany. So I mean, there's just.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh lot that the NFL can be happy about.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
A lot when they take stock about where we're at
at this particular moment, on this particular day of this
particular season, three hundred and sixty three view. They are
happy that there are no just Juggernauts. Yes, you want
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Patrick Mahomes to be good. Yes, you want the Philadelphia
Eagles or the rain and Super Bowl champs to make
to look decent when they step out of the stadium.
They haven't done that for six weeks, six quarters, by
the way.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
This is beautiful for the NFL, and I would say
beauty beautiful for the Steelers as well, because we get
to go down down down the little side alleyway and
keep to our business and focus on one game at
a time because of all the issues with the big guys.
So it is wild, it is crazy, but it is
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great football. It is a great football season to be
a part of.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it really is so Max, you talked about the injuries.
You're keeping an eye on it. You know, we'll know today.
But it looks like, you know, Jalen Warren is trending
in the right direction. Joey Porter, Junior, Alex high Smith.
I think those guys all look like they're trending in
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the right direction. If you're if we're reading the Tea Leaves.
I'd like to get your opinion on that. And also
in addition to that, you know, it looks like Jalen
Ramsey and Calvin Austin are not trending in the right direction.
Is that kind of the the sense that you get.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean I get that sense right now, and
I think that's you know, Friday's.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Always an ultimate telltale.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But you also gotta practice, you gotta you gotta be involved,
and today is the last day to figure out will
you be counted for?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Will you be in it?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And that's where, yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen.
I was trying to figure out a cute way to
say it, but now there's around it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay. So Max, you know, yesterday we were talking about
the Steelers offense going against the Browns defense, you know,
talking to Matt Williamson yesterday, he said he thinks the
Browns might have the best overall defense in the NFL.
So it is a formidable challenge. We've been kicking around
a little bit different, uh, different opinions on what the
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jumbo package means with Spencer Anderson in there and with
you know, with Darnell Washington in there, that means less
Pat Fryarmouth, it means less John neu Smith. If those
guys are going to be out in the field. It
also spelled success in running the football this past week
against the Vikings. You know, we've had opinions from the
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people that have been on the show saying, look, it's
all fine and well, but it's a band aid. You
need to be able to run the football with your
front five. I understand that, thinking to those who love it.
I was asked on another show whether I thought it
was here to stay, and my feeling on that is
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the same as it is with everything the Stealers are
doing and are going to do offensively this year, which
is that it's going to be game plan specific. I
believe that some weeks they'll use it, some weeks they won't.
Some weeks they'll lean on John new Smith, some weeks
still lean on Kenneth Gainwell, some weeks they'll lean on
Jalen Warren, some weeks they'll lean on Calvin Austin. DK
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metcalf is always going to be part of the passing game.
We know that. That's sort of my sense of the
jumbo package. What do you think the Steelers moving forward
will do with this jumbo package, And do you expect
this to be part of what they do against the
Browns team that has been very difficult to run against.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I think when I look at it, I think, you know,
you have to get a catalyst somewhere, right, you have
to get that jump because the past the run game
has been so like depressed.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
At the beginning of the year, I look at it
just an enhancement.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Honestly, I look at it as an opportunity that, hey,
they got big personnel up front. We need we need
a little bit of extra mass, right, we need we
need a little we need, we need another Darnelle Washington
up here because the big guys have to get moved.
And you know, nothing against the winess and the ability
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of our tight end core, but that's not their skill set,
that's not their forte right.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Off the bat.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So I think this is here as a package type
of deal. I don't think it's that every game thing, Rob,
That's the one thing I'm gonna say. I don't think
it's every game thing. But what I do see, what
I do feel at times is that you you just
you got to get the guys going. You've got to
get the feet churning. You gotta get you gotta get
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some earth burning and churning, and you've you've gotta you've
got to get something something active. And I think the
double teams that are created when you have Spencer Anderson
at the at the tight end position next to the
tackle makes life a lot easier in the inside zone,
especially when you have to deal with Miles Garrett and
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the like, I should say, But at the same time,
I also.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I need whoever is going to be blocking.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Him on a day to day basis or snap snap basis,
has got to make sure that they understand what the
one on one assignment is and that they don't get
beat on said one on one assignments. So I like it.
I like where we're at. I would love to see
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more tight end involvement in the passing game. I really
do want to see that thirteen personnel flip flex to eleven.
I just don't think I'm gonna see it right now,
because we got a good thing going and as the
old ads go, right, if it ain't broke, don't fix.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It, right. Yeah, And you know you talked at some
length and earlier in the season when we were talking
about the expectations for Broderick Jones moving from right tackle
to left tackle. I think your biggest concern, if I'm
correct about Foutanu, was not the rookie right tackle thing,
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although I suppose that takes some adjustment, but he went
through camp last year and all the other things, but
the move. Remember he played left tackle in college too,
so this is his first real go at right tackle
on a regular basis at the NFL level. And I
think you talked in terms of five or six weeks
for these guys to get comfortable.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Is that accurate. I still think that's accurate. And we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're gonna get a good tell. Oh oh yeah,
you know, I know Jerry Dele was like, I wait
till twelve thirteen games into the season. I think I
think you can lean something after six, okay, because that
that's a good that's a handful and some of work.
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And you know, I feel like this is this has
put up a shut up time, Like September was September
and September is You just win by any means necessary.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You just get through the games. You get through it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
As preseason it's uncomfortable, Well, you don't know the snap
counts as far as how many you're gonna have a
Let's see how you do before I decide how long
you're gonna play. You know, all those type of mind
games and everything. You're just you just have to dig
put your head down and just trudge forward.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
October.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
October the EMU comes out the sand, right, you know,
it looks around. It's take a stock Okay, where where
where could I go from here? So it comes through
as a more critical lens this month, and so that's
why we have to be more critical in our assessments.
So it's gonna be really interesting be on the you know,
I'm actually gonna figure out how to how to you know,
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actually put a ranking system in there. But I'm gonna
digress for now because we have a short week next week.
But I will figure out some system of putting stuff
together to make sure that I properly present my case
for the offensive line good, better and different.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So we are looking forward to You think they're gonna
use some jumbo this week. I would imagine they will.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, Miles Garrett's playing end Yeah, no right, Mike Thomains
sending that Mike in that press conference on Tuesday. He
was like, this is for big three hundred pound defensive ends.
You know that Pat Friar and John news Smith won't
be able to move. That's why, sister interesting, well, three
hundred pound defensive end that's gonna be there. It definitely
is very tough to move for any human being or
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any combination thereof, because he still beats whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I mean, you could throw whatever in front of him.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
He'll be a double team, a triple team and get
He'll get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So yes, you have to put a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Of pressure on him, and you don't want him single
handedly wrecking your run or pass game. So hello, mister Anderson,
get to know ninety five Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, by the way, I was negligent to my duties
as we were talking about the players who might play.
And again we'll know more after practice today when the
injury reports are released as to whether other guys are
going to be out there than the guys we expect
to see back and are hoping to see back, which
would be Jalen Warren, Joey Porter, Junior, Alex Highsmith for
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the Steelers, probably not coming back, you know. Again, just
trying to glean through the injury reports. Jalen Ramsey. You
know Calvin Austin will see, but I'm negligent in not
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Speaker 2 (19:45):
And we thank you for being with us on a
Friday May pepin a stepped a little cool here in
Western Pa at a cold snap last night. And know
the weather's gonna warm up, but it just has at
October football feel. You know, I have to ask you Max,
having grown up in Florida, You not me, you know,
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I grew up in upstate New York, and so this
is this feeling. That cold, that little crisp cold we
got is a reminder that it's football time. You know,
even in high school, you go through the double sessions
in August and it's it's hot, even in upstate New York.
It isn't Florida hot, but it's hot enough. You go
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through all those practices. Then you get into the season
and you get that cold snap and the leaves start
changing and it just feels like football. What's the Florida
equivalent of that? Like, does this does the tide go
out a little bit? You know? Does it? Does the
temperature drop from ninety eight to ninety four? And that
means football season. I mean it's got to be a
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different feel, right if you're from Florida or Texas or California.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, it's a different feel. It's not as hot.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I mean it's you do get those cooler, breezier type
of days. I mean it's you know, it's super humid,
it's super hot in the summer, and you know when
you hit like this October, the weather's perfect. You know,
it's it's in the seventies, it's breezy. Football feels like football. Now,
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we're not the ten to twelve and fifteen degrees cooler
than the North is. But you know, in Florida, it
was a very recognizable difference when it changed, especially at night.
Night games get a little more windy and it's a
cooler breeze.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Almost the Jerry du Lac of weather. Right. You know, it's.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
You look forward and you want night games because you're like, man,
this is this cos is gonna get and it's still
you know, still spandex weather, you know for football, and
you know you feel good about going out on the field,
you know, as alignment. You know, I always say this,
I sweating a snowstorm. So yeah, you know, Wolf was
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never going to be too cold. It's never going to
be too cold for so it's like crate the thermostad
all the way down.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
When I went to school out in Saint Louis, uh,
I got my first real taste of seriously hot, humid
weather and probably a little more akin and again still
double sessions in those days. In August in Saint Louis,
it was ghastly and you'd step outside, you know, you
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step outside even in August. In upstate New York, you
get to eleven o'clock at night almost every single night
of the year. There might be one hot week in August,
but for the most part, it's cool. You know, you're
you're maybe grabbing a windbreaker or something. You step outside
at eleven o'clock at night in Saint Louis, and you
feel like a guppy, like you're underwater, like you know,
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it's hard to get a good breath. I'm sure Florida
is the same way. The other one I want to
ask you, and we'll get back to the game because
it's it's not snow weather. But my roommates in college,
one guy was from Hawaii, you know, he was a
track guy and offensive Lineman's still a really good friend
of mine, Dave Schiff, he was from Miami, and they
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would literally you know that those blinds, that that that
that open and shut, which, by the way, I can
still never figure out I could get him open and shut,
but I you know, you got to crank on the
rope to get him to go up and come down. Anyway,
these guys they when it, when it first snowed, they
would literally like peer outside, like they wouldn't go out
in the porch. They would peer outside like they were
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watching a horror movie or something when the snow. It
cracked me up. Man, I just thought it was hilarious. Uh.
But I mean for guys who grew up with they
probably you know, guys that went on to play college
or whatever, they probably never even saw snow until you know,
they they got a game in November that was a
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you know, a conference road game.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's crazy because, yeah, I
I never dealt the first time I dealt with snow
in Pittsburgh two thousand and five Chicago game, first I
ever dealt with it. And so for you know, for me,
like I didn't have any games that went north of
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Kentucky in College, Kuckey was the furthest point north I
ever went to play football. Furthest west I went was
was Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Well, no, Arkansas, I guess Arkansas close? Yeah, yeah close.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I mean they're like right there, right, they're right stacked
on the top of each other.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It was truly reason was action and this is back
what now And now I'm going to pull back the
days of yore right back with football was still was
still regionality, you know, it was it was it was
confined to your section.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Of the country. Right. The Big East was a good old, you.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Know, Atlantic style type conference along with the AFC.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It expanded all the way down to.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Miami, and it went all the way up you know
to the Marshals of the world, the Pitts, the West
Virginia's right, you know, it was all right into that
you know area, and then of course you had Syracuse
that would extend a little bit further upstate New York.
It was an Atlantic style conference like the ACC. You know,
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Big ten was Midwest, it was upper Midwest, and then
expand across to the east. Big twelve was literally big Southwest.
You know what I'm saying. It was there and everything
else out west was PAC ten Country that turned the
PAC twelve Country along with Mountain West and Big Sky
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conferences right, and the Conference USA was a collection of
like in the Southern Belt type of Rust Belt type
of teams in Conference USA with a couple of teams
scattered up north. I mean, it was regionally based and
so I never really had to do crazy cold.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
We would get those frost days in Florida where it
would like freeze overnight and then as the sun came
out warn backup. Is kind of like what I'm used
to out here in Arizona. But you know, it snowed
once in my entire life as a kid in the
state of Florida. That was in nineteen eighty eight, which
is funny enough because that was a one time when
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that did.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Note that the Steelers were playing.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
The Bucks and Wolf remembered that one time, and I
was like, oh my god, I remember that as a kid,
and you and you remember it as.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
A football play.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's like, it was so funny to have a shared
regional experience because you know, Orlando and Tampa are like
right there in the state, you know, right there in
the central part of the state.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
We share a highway runs literally east to west. We call.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
We call it the East West Expressway or I four,
you know, and so it's like it's like we never
had to deal with those weather conditions. So the Christmas
for us was in the seventies and maybe high sixties,
but never ever snow. And I'll never forget the reason
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I had to not go to Notre Dame. I showed
up an official visit in December, Rob and flew into Chicago,
drive over to South Bend, right, you know, that's kind
of the way. It's the nearest, biggest airport at the time.
And I remember doing like the intro meetings, you know,
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with the athletic director, president of university, met some of
the guys. We went to dinner, I hung out with
with a couple of guys on the team, and you know,
got back to my hotel room, went to bed that night.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I woke up the next morning there was three feet
of snow on the balcony. Rob like that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
My whole thing was like, oh ude, I'm sorry, how
did this get here?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Like I always slept for like seven hours? Does happened
to seven hours? Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
No, no, new No, We're good and y'all still want
to play football and go to classes in this No,
I'm good now, I'm good now.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I got I'm gonna say south of the Mason Dixon.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I get it. But I got to ask you a question. So,
you know, I've talked to players in the past who
are from Florida, I think probably Florida, you know, maybe
maybe a guy or two from Texas about playing in
weather games. And they said they grew up in Orlando
or Miami or whatever watching those December games in the snow,
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and they always wanted to be part of it. They
thought it was cool. I wondered if they'd be out
there shivering. You know, there was a for years and
I don't know if it's still existing. Tampa Bay had
never won a game in which the kickoff was off
forty right, They'd never won a game.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
So they were terrible. Oh they were terrible. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Did you did you relish the idea after your Notre
Dame experience of being part of Like if you walked
out into Cleveland last year, bad bad memory, but it
is the Cleveland game and saw the snow, and you
were a player from Florida and that was your first time,
would you have been fired up for that or were
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you like, Okay, let's just get through this thing.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Man, Oh yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I would have definitely been fired up for that because
once again, you have achieved the ultimate goal. You have
made it to the pinnacle of sport, being at the
pro football level. And like you said, you've seen the
rights of autumn, right, you know, you hear about the
(30:18):
frozen tundra. You have all these classic iconic pictures and
you know there's that moment where you see that, you
experience that, and you're like, man, I really want to
do that one day. But as a college kid, knowing
you got to walk around campus for four years, you
going to classes, they're not only doing that on top
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of playing football. No, you don't want to do that
as a collegiate player, as a collegiate athlete, but when
you get to the pros, like this is kind of
like the right of passage, Like, you.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Haven't played football.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
At the NFL level until you have the NFL films
music playing in the background, feeling like you know, like
a soundtrack in your mind. As you walk out to
a field and you see the snow coming down, like
last year's game, that's snow Globe game.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Against the Browns.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I was ecstatic as a sideline reporter for the first
quarter dealing with that because I knew as a player,
I would have loved this opportunity. Right, Snow's kind of
in your eyes, is blowing around. The guy across from
you is kind of fuzzy looking in your vision, and
it is just battle time, you know what I'm saying. Right,
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It's just like, oh, this is good. Like I could
taste the snow. I could taste the weather and you
can literally stick your tongue out and snow was gonna
fallo in your tongue. I did it, trust me, I
did it when I wasn't on air with you guys.
And it's a dream coming. It's a childhood fantasy. At
that point once again, you're like, man, I've made it.
(31:56):
Like I've made it, and this is going to be
a memory that sticks out in my head. And for me,
that game was Chicago in two thousand and five. Right,
that was the game that sticks out because that was
the first time I had ever played in snow, and
snow was not on the forecast rob that day. It
was not on the forecast. And it's also the same
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day that I met my now wife for the first time.
She came to that game. So it's like a lot
of significance around that first snowy, questionable weather. I'd already
played in a hurricane in two thousand and four, and
we did. We did a lot of that in Florida,
So that's not really a new thing for a Southern guy.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
It might be might be for.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
The North and the West coast folks like, whoa wait
a second, you played in what you played through?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
A hurricane? What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, you know, lightning delays, you know, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Was normal in Florida, like that was just the beginning
of football season. But snow and that type of weather
like that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Was brand new for me.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
And I remember vividly Coach Kwer asking me because I'm
a Florida guy through and through, born in Orlando, raised
in Orlando, went to school in Gainesville, and never played
in a verse weather outside of rain and you know,
and sent through lightning delays. But I never played in
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that other element, which was snow. And I remember him
Vidal asked, Hey, Max, how do you feel about playing
in snow? Like that was the one question Coach Kawra
had for me, and I just remember saying, well as
a ball present. Yeah, all right, well I'm ready to go.
That was my answer, even though I had no experience
in it.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
So did Tiffany sit in the snow for that now,
cause she's in Ohio. Yes, she's from Ohio. Yeah, she's
Ohio and she's okay with snow. But she sat in
the snow. We were playing Chicago in Pittsburgh, So she
sat in the stands as you played, and she.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Was not prepared.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
She was not prepared for the weather at the time
because snow was out on the forecast. So she had
like kind of like this cuter almost I'm trying, like
a tweed type coat, like a like kind of a
medium heaviness coat. So my buddy Nana, who is fantastic,
he's Ghanaian, and so Nana Nana came to the game too.
(34:25):
He's he's sitting there with my wife, my mom, my cousin,
my aunt that are in the stands. And Nana has
a purple Toronto Raptors jacket.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Oh that's like a snow he said.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
So he so he gave the So he gave the
jacket to Tiffany to wear because.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
She was getting man, well, she didn't wear it. She
ended up with You know what.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I got to tell you, man, this is like when
they do the Max Starts Lifetime movie. Right, that's the
meat cute right there. That's the that's the part where
you guys get married. That makes it in the movie.
Now she's there, she's she's toughing it out. She's in
the stands now, she's wearing a purple jacket. You know,
maybe says she's walking out. Uh, somebody gives her guff.
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We got it all made out, man, we got that. Yea,
we got that two minute scene right there in the movie.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Is a key scene in the movie.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, Max Starks, I love it.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
All Right, Hey Max, we gotta take a break. We're
gonna we gotta we have our key matchups to get
to we you know, I think that the you know
we're looking at yesterday, we kind of looked at the
Steelers offense against the Browns defense. Coming up, it's gonna
be the Browns offense against the Steelers defense. Also coming up,
(35:45):
it's Missy Matthews also coming up. The keys to the
game is the Steelers try to take advantage of a
golden opportunity to not only get off to a great
start in the AFC North, but also to move ahead
of other floundering teams within the division. So all that
is still on the docket when we continue in the
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Speaker 1 (36:16):
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Speaker 2 (36:37):
And we thank you very much for being with us
in the locker room. So Max, we did the overview
of the students offense against the Browns defense. Very very
intriguing matchup, especially considering, you know, the Steelers really had
their best offensive showing against Minnesota. You know, they looked
like they started to put some pieces together in New England.
(36:58):
They looked much sharper against Minnesota. Didn't finish the game
maybe the way you'd like to on off on offense,
but we're able to finish it off defensively. So we
did an overview of that yesterday. Hopefully Jalen Warren back
to to help that. And uh and you know, Kenneth
Gainwell coming off a terrific game, so we we kind
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of gave the overview there obviously Miles Garrett, but there
are other guys to watch on that front. They've got
a very good inside linebacker and Carson schwasseinger. Greg knews him.
They moved him back outside. He was having a bounce
back really fine season. He didn't apparently look as good
in the slot as he's looked in the outside, but
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they traded him to Jacksonville. They got a corner back
in that trade who's going to be starting presumably.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
What's that They got a corner back in the trade.
Gave away a corner and got a corner back. I
didn't even know it exactly, and he always shows it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Oh so very nice. So uh and and look he's
a he's a good player. They paid him. You know,
when I have questions about players that I maybe know
a little bit about, I go to my buddy Matt Williamson,
who knows a lot about him. Scouted him coming out
of college and uh, he said, you know, the guy
they got from Jacksonville kind of getting paid like a
(38:22):
number one maybe not really performing at that level. Jacksonville's
in it to win it now, so they think Newsome
obviously is an upgrade there. The Browns have some real
cap issues, you know, so they get Tyson Campbell back
his He is a guy who at a frontloaded deal
with Jacksonville. He signed for three and a half more years.
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They probably can't go out and get that guy in
free agency. And I'm sure they're thinking, now, hey, we
got our we got our pair of corners. You got
to you know. Uh, Miles Harden, a seventh round pick
a year ago, is getting a long look in the
at the slot position for them. But they're evaluating and
putting together. Piece is not that they're not trying to
win this year, but they they look like a team
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that's trying to position themselves for next year. I don't
think they're gonna have to do a whole lot on
the defense other than a depth which is probably good
because I think Deshaun Watson's cap hit next year max
is eighty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
That's so crazy. Eighty million. Garon teed hear me garon teed.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeo, And that's that's not just money you're paying out,
but it is cap space that you can't use because
they've got offensive linemen that are that are going to
be free agents after the season. You know, I don't know. Look,
Dwan Jones is hurt. He's probably you know, a good
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solid starter for him. But other than that, they have
to reel the offensive line. They do have draft picks,
but they might have to you know, figure out the
quarterback position. So we kind of did the overview of
Cleveland and just to wrap it up, Max, I'm gonna
give you a minute and a half to wrap up
what you're looking forward to in case people missed the
show yesterday. Uh, you know, what are the key elements
(40:10):
when the Steelers have the ball coming up on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I mean, oh, you mean when the Steelers defenses up
right and there and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Has the ball.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I know, when the Steelers has the ball, because we're
going to talk about when Cleveland has the ball coming
up next.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Oh okay, okay, okay, that's on the next hour. Okay,
got it. I mean it's gonna be a challenge. I mean,
it's going to be You got a front defensive line
that you can't overlook at all, and that that defense,
that defensive line is is going to be formidable, right,
Miles Garrett, Mason, Graham, Leek Collins, Isaiah Maguire, Devin Bush,
Carson Sweessenger, that's your front six. And then of course
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Grant Delpit is a guy who's gonna play your box stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
When you see the.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Extra tight end or lineman down in the box, he's
that guy. It's gonna be interesting to see what you know,
how much Tyson Campbell can absorb and be ready to
play and participate.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
If not, you have.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Jered Bernard Converse that could potentially play one of the corners,
or Tray Avery opposite Denzel Ward in those moments. And
like you said, Miles, Harden's beginning a long look. He's
backed up by Dom Jones, a rookie that they've gotten
free agency cut to come in and kind of spell
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a little bit. He has yet to play with him,
but that's what your backup Nickel looks like. So I
just wonder how the dissemination snaps. And of course Crazy
Casey is over there, but he's been nicked up. So
you know he's he's been on the injury report all week,
so I wonder what his availability. I imagine you gotta
(41:51):
just mentally strap it on because you want to you
want to show up against your old team. But he's
been dealing with a sickness all week as as been leading,
so he hasn't practiced at all leading up to his
designation is illness and he is not practiced all week.
So that's gonna be interesting who how they activate, how
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they roll through guys, kind of like how we did
with injuries, right, you want to see who's up. That's
where the James Pierres of the world come into play,
and Brandon Eckles a starter, and you know you have
a different millange of guys that can come in and play.
So it's gonna be really interesting. Ronnie Hickman has been
there starting free safety, backed up by the rookie Donovan McMillan,
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which everybody knows because he was played at Pitt last year.
So it's gonna be very interesting to see him. He's
a Florida Gate, he's a former Gator.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's that's where I know him basically from it.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Yeah, transferred to Pitt and so It's gonna be really
interesting to see how that goes.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
But it's gonna be a challenge. It's not gonna be easy.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
For the Steelers, and I think that's where I think
we will see a little bit more Spencer Anderson again,
which nothing wrong with it, because if you gets your
run game going and they have to dedicate more guys
into the box, that's more favorable one on ones on
the outside for two man routes, which we've been crushed
on at the beginning of the season. Right think about
the the the Horton touchdown for Seattle, uh, and I'm
(43:19):
sorry Horton was No Sorry, Horton was the Jets and
then who was running the deep over for No.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
E was Taekwon Thornton, Jackson Smith and jig.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, Jackson Smith and Jigbot was was it was the
Seattle game and then and then Taekwon Thornton was the
Jets game. Sorry to get they all get jumbled up
there in the beginning of your head for UH, for
those big.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Plays of deep over crossers.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So I mean, you get favorable matchups, and that's what
you want to get to. You want to have teams
scared of your run game. Therefore that dedicate more resources
into the box and now you get the favorable single
high let it fly concept that I always love. That
That was Bruce arians mantra and it holds true this day. Yeah,
when you get a one on one and a safety
that's in the quandary, that's a good place to be.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You don't want them playing too deep and just.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Playing zones and everybody just kind of sits down, and
now you gotta find tight windows to get plays accomplished.
I think DK metcalf eighty yarder for reference if you're wondering. So,
I love where that's going to be and I'm really
excited about this matchup.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Wait, how was longer than a minute? Thirty?
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I apologize, It's okay. We need it in depth. We're
gonna get in depth with Missy Matthews coming up next.
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, hello everybody, thanks for being with us on this
Friday as we get ready for football, the return of football.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Max.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We saw a game last night, but it's a return
of Steelers football. We'll get to the game in a moment.
But how are you feeling, my friend? As we turned
the corner, get into the weekend and get ready for
the Steelers and Bronze at Akroscher Stadium at one o'clock
on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I just want to make sure I do not look
like the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Umm.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Oh, you know comes comes on. That's one boy. But no,
I'm doing well. I'm looking forward to you know, the
game this Weekend's gonna be a good one. It's gonna
be a great matchup and you know we got to
take it to the Brownies, so I'm excited. You know,
just one more one more day of practice really for
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the team. You know they'll have what they call Fast
Fridays today and then after that you're two sleeps away
from from being on the field, you know, one o'clock
on Sunday for the for the squad. So just looking
forward to hearing how it's going practice wise. It's been
a clean week. You haven't had any no, no, no
(01:45):
significant injuries to talk about. Got popped up during the
practice week. Been looking at that practice participation reports. So
hopefully you know, if you can go, you do show
your yourself. If you cannot go, hey it's okay. We're
you know, the team will be playing in four days
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the next time, so you might miss one, let's try
and get you back for the next one.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
What is fast What is fast Fridays? Max? Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
That that that's where you know, you have to come
up with a name that wasn't up tempo walkthrough essentially
that's what it is. So you try, you're trying to
create a name that makes it seem like, oh, this
is something so fast Fridays is is an unpadded walkthrough
esque pact practice, but you're just moving around at more
(02:38):
pace than I'll walk through, gotcha. But separates itself from
from this from the Saturday version of it, which.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Is really a walk through.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so uh yes, and we're we're definitely keeping an
eye on the injuries and we're gonna get to that
in a moment. By the way, Missy Matthews is going
to be joining us as well. I just have to
ask you quickly, Uh, last night's game, Max, I thought,
I thought Jackson Dark looked good. He looked sharp. I
thought their game plan was good. They got rid of
(03:07):
the ball quickly, but they did it in a variety
of different ways. He made some throws and I was like,
whoa man, those are some nice throws into tight windows.
And the Giants knocked off the Eagles, and this crazy
beginning of the season continues, it does.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I mean the game was high scoring. I mean, you're
talking about thirteen ten. At the end of the first quarter,
it seemed like it was good. Okay, you know, they're
they're they're getting up for them, and then yeah, they
just they just kept it going. I mean, Jackson Dart
had a rushing touchdown then, you know, and then then
there was a passing when I can't remember, I think
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it was to Wandale Robinson. That's right, Wendale Robinson called
the bat and then it was a cam Scattabu show
after that. And you know, people on social media have
been talking about this cam Scataboo Jackson dark relationship. Well
that that little dynamic duo put a hurting.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
On the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I couldn't believe what I was seeing because even though
I just seen this team on Sunday against the Broncos
and kind of fall apart at the end, man, it
looked like mentally they just they did not have the
eye of the Tiger. Defense was horrible. As good as
that defense was last year, it is a shell of
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itself with a majority of players that were on that
squad last year.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And man, it was crazy to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Crazy. Uh you know it's hard to repeat, right, you know,
the physical toll it takes, and you know everybody always
talks about that and how long, you know, how short
your off season is and uh, you know, all of
a sudden, now you're shooting commercial and you're doing other things,
and you know, but it is, uh, it is amazing
(05:07):
what's happening with this season. You know, I don't think
anybody would have had the egos with a couple of losses.
I don't think anybody would have had the chiefs of
two and three. There is some there's uh there. Well,
let's put it this way. Let's let's let's spin that
on its head and say, there is now opportunity. If
you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, man, you have opportunity ahead of you.
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Let's go, let's take advantage of it.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly how you
have to look at you this season. It feels wide open.
What's good as bad was bad as good, what's up
as down was down is up right. It feels like
it feels like bizarre world. But this is the parody
that that that the league has has dreamed of, has
(05:53):
hoped for. They don't want dynasties, they don't want Juggernauts.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know, they want they want the.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I think I would credit it more as an illusion
versus a reality. They want the illusion that everybody can
win any given Sunday, all the cliches, all it takes
is one. You know, they want every cliche to live
alive and well in the NFL. But the problem was
had some teams we were just better at doing stuff
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than others, and other teams that just seem to be
a nept.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Is probably the best word to say at figuring it out.
But this year.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We put every year in a silo. This year alone,
you have seen more of the bottom teams rising up.
You've seen more of the teams and markets you wouldn't
see going against known teams and known markets. So you
can get the game on television, and then now you
(07:01):
can see fans coast to coast. You've got six international
games right that are played overseas, and none of those
games are connected to US Oil currently Canada Mexico having
gotten it. Canada has his own brand of football. That's
(07:22):
while it won't be going to Canada. We tried the
Toronto series with the Buffalo Bills. Now they're just back
in Toronto, and a lot has been invested in London, UK,
Jacksonville especially, you know, having a South American game in Brazil,
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and like you said, then going to Ireland and Spain,
I mean, and then you know Germany, there's gonna be
a watch party there this year. I think next month
is a watch party in Germany. So I mean, there's just.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh lot that the NFL can be happy about.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
A lot when they take stock about where we're at
at this particular moment, on this particular day of this
particular season, three hundred and sixty three view. They are
happy that there are no just Juggernauts. Yes, you want
(08:25):
Patrick Mahomes to be good. Yes, you want the Philadelphia
Eagles or the rain and Super Bowl champs to make
to look decent when they step out of the stadium.
They haven't done that for six weeks, six quarters, by
the way.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
This is beautiful for the NFL, and I would say
beauty beautiful for the Steelers as well, because we get
to go down down down the little side alleyway and
keep to our business and focus on one game at
a time because of all the issues with the big guys.
So it is wild, it is crazy, but it is
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great football. It is a great football season to be
a part of.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, it really is so Max, you talked about the injuries.
You're keeping an eye on it. You know, we'll know today.
But it looks like, you know, Jalen Warren is trending
in the right direction. Joey Porter, Junior, Alex high Smith.
I think those guys all look like they're trending in
(09:30):
the right direction. If you're if we're reading the Tea Leaves.
I'd like to get your opinion on that. And also
in addition to that, you know, it looks like Jalen
Ramsey and Calvin Austin are not trending in the right direction.
Is that kind of the the sense that you get.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean I get that sense right now, and
I think that's you know, Friday's.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Always an ultimate telltale.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But you also gotta practice, you gotta you gotta be involved,
and today is the last day to figure out will
you be counted for?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Will you be in it?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And that's where, yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen.
I was trying to figure out a cute way to
say it, but now there's around it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay. So Max, you know, yesterday we were talking about
the Steelers offense going against the Browns defense, you know,
talking to Matt Williamson yesterday, he said he thinks the
Browns might have the best overall defense in the NFL.
So it is a formidable challenge. We've been kicking around
a little bit different, uh, different opinions on what the
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jumbo package means with Spencer Anderson in there and with
you know, with Darnell Washington in there, that means less
Pat Fryarmouth, it means less John neu Smith. If those
guys are going to be out in the field. It
also spelled success in running the football this past week
against the Vikings. You know, we've had opinions from the
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people that have been on the show saying, look, it's
all fine and well, but it's a band aid. You
need to be able to run the football with your
front five. I understand that, thinking to those who love it.
I was asked on another show whether I thought it
was here to stay, and my feeling on that is
(11:34):
the same as it is with everything the Stealers are
doing and are going to do offensively this year, which
is that it's going to be game plan specific. I
believe that some weeks they'll use it, some weeks they won't.
Some weeks they'll lean on John new Smith, some weeks
still lean on Kenneth Gainwell, some weeks they'll lean on
Jalen Warren, some weeks they'll lean on Calvin Austin. DK
(11:56):
metcalf is always going to be part of the passing game.
We know that. That's sort of my sense of the
jumbo package. What do you think the Steelers moving forward
will do with this jumbo package, And do you expect
this to be part of what they do against the
Browns team that has been very difficult to run against.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I think when I look at it, I think, you know,
you have to get a catalyst somewhere, right, you have
to get that jump because the past the run game
has been so like depressed.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
At the beginning of the year, I look at it
just an enhancement.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Honestly, I look at it as an opportunity that, hey,
they got big personnel up front. We need we need
a little bit of extra mass, right, we need we
need a little we need, we need another Darnelle Washington
up here because the big guys have to get moved.
And you know, nothing against the winess and the ability
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of our tight end core, but that's not their skill set,
that's not their forte right.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Off the bat.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So I think this is here as a package type
of deal. I don't think it's that every game thing, Rob,
That's the one thing I'm gonna say. I don't think
it's every game thing. But what I do see, what
I do feel at times is that you you just
you got to get the guys going. You've got to
get the feet churning. You gotta get you gotta get
(13:28):
some earth burning and churning, and you've you've gotta you've
got to get something something active. And I think the
double teams that are created when you have Spencer Anderson
at the at the tight end position next to the
tackle makes life a lot easier in the inside zone,
especially when you have to deal with Miles Garrett and
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the like, I should say, But at the same time,
I also.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I need whoever is going to be blocking.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Him on a day to day basis or snap snap basis,
has got to make sure that they understand what the
one on one assignment is and that they don't get
beat on said one on one assignments. So I like it.
I like where we're at. I would love to see
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more tight end involvement in the passing game. I really
do want to see that thirteen personnel flip flex to eleven.
I just don't think I'm gonna see it right now,
because we got a good thing going and as the
old ads go, right, if it ain't broke, don't fix.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It, right. Yeah, And you know you talked at some
length and earlier in the season when we were talking
about the expectations for Broderick Jones moving from right tackle
to left tackle. I think your biggest concern, if I'm
correct about Foutanu, was not the rookie right tackle thing,
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although I suppose that takes some adjustment, but he went
through camp last year and all the other things, but
the move. Remember he played left tackle in college too,
so this is his first real go at right tackle
on a regular basis at the NFL level. And I
think you talked in terms of five or six weeks
for these guys to get comfortable.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Is that accurate. I still think that's accurate. And we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're gonna get a good tell. Oh oh yeah,
you know, I know Jerry Dele was like, I wait
till twelve thirteen games into the season. I think I
think you can lean something after six, okay, because that
that's a good that's a handful and some of work.
(15:45):
And you know, I feel like this is this has
put up a shut up time, Like September was September
and September is You just win by any means necessary.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You just get through the games. You get through it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
As preseason it's uncomfortable, Well, you don't know the snap
counts as far as how many you're gonna have a
Let's see how you do before I decide how long
you're gonna play. You know, all those type of mind
games and everything. You're just you just have to dig
put your head down and just trudge forward.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
October.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
October the EMU comes out the sand, right, you know,
it looks around. It's take a stock Okay, where where
where could I go from here? So it comes through
as a more critical lens this month, and so that's
why we have to be more critical in our assessments.
So it's gonna be really interesting be on the you know,
I'm actually gonna figure out how to how to you know,
(16:41):
actually put a ranking system in there. But I'm gonna
digress for now because we have a short week next week.
But I will figure out some system of putting stuff
together to make sure that I properly present my case
for the offensive line good, better and different.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So we are looking forward to You think they're gonna
use some jumbo this week. I would imagine they will.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, Miles Garrett's playing end Yeah, no right, Mike Thomains
sending that Mike in that press conference on Tuesday. He
was like, this is for big three hundred pound defensive ends.
You know that Pat Friar and John news Smith won't
be able to move. That's why, sister interesting, well, three
hundred pound defensive end that's gonna be there. It definitely
is very tough to move for any human being or
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any combination thereof, because he still beats whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I mean, you could throw whatever in front of him.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
He'll be a double team, a triple team and get
He'll get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So yes, you have to put a lot.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Of pressure on him, and you don't want him single
handedly wrecking your run or pass game. So hello, mister Anderson,
get to know ninety five Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, by the way, I was negligent to my duties
as we were talking about the players who might play.
And again we'll know more after practice today when the
injury reports are released as to whether other guys are
going to be out there than the guys we expect
to see back and are hoping to see back, which
would be Jalen Warren, Joey Porter, Junior, Alex Highsmith for
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the Steelers, probably not coming back, you know. Again, just
trying to glean through the injury reports. Jalen Ramsey. You
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Speaker 2 (19:45):
And we thank you for being with us on a
Friday May pepin a stepped a little cool here in
Western Pa at a cold snap last night. And know
the weather's gonna warm up, but it just has at
October football feel. You know, I have to ask you Max,
having grown up in Florida, You not me, you know,
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I grew up in upstate New York, and so this
is this feeling. That cold, that little crisp cold we
got is a reminder that it's football time. You know,
even in high school, you go through the double sessions
in August and it's it's hot, even in upstate New York.
It isn't Florida hot, but it's hot enough. You go
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through all those practices. Then you get into the season
and you get that cold snap and the leaves start
changing and it just feels like football. What's the Florida
equivalent of that? Like, does this does the tide go
out a little bit? You know? Does it? Does the
temperature drop from ninety eight to ninety four? And that
means football season. I mean it's got to be a
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different feel, right if you're from Florida or Texas or California.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, it's a different feel. It's not as hot.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I mean it's you do get those cooler, breezier type
of days. I mean it's you know, it's super humid,
it's super hot in the summer, and you know when
you hit like this October, the weather's perfect. You know,
it's it's in the seventies, it's breezy. Football feels like football. Now,
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we're not the ten to twelve and fifteen degrees cooler
than the North is. But you know, in Florida, it
was a very recognizable difference when it changed, especially at night.
Night games get a little more windy and it's a
cooler breeze.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Almost the Jerry du Lac of weather. Right. You know, it's.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
You look forward and you want night games because you're like, man,
this is this cos is gonna get and it's still
you know, still spandex weather, you know for football, and
you know you feel good about going out on the field,
you know, as alignment. You know, I always say this,
I sweating a snowstorm. So yeah, you know, Wolf was
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never going to be too cold. It's never going to
be too cold for so it's like crate the thermostad
all the way down.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
When I went to school out in Saint Louis, uh,
I got my first real taste of seriously hot, humid
weather and probably a little more akin and again still
double sessions in those days. In August in Saint Louis,
it was ghastly and you'd step outside, you know, you
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step outside even in August. In upstate New York, you
get to eleven o'clock at night almost every single night
of the year. There might be one hot week in August,
but for the most part, it's cool. You know, you're
you're maybe grabbing a windbreaker or something. You step outside
at eleven o'clock at night in Saint Louis, and you
feel like a guppy, like you're underwater, like you know,
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it's hard to get a good breath. I'm sure Florida
is the same way. The other one I want to
ask you, and we'll get back to the game because
it's it's not snow weather. But my roommates in college,
one guy was from Hawaii, you know, he was a
track guy and offensive Lineman's still a really good friend
of mine, Dave Schiff, he was from Miami, and they
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would literally you know that those blinds, that that that
that open and shut, which, by the way, I can
still never figure out I could get him open and shut,
but I you know, you got to crank on the
rope to get him to go up and come down. Anyway,
these guys they when it, when it first snowed, they
would literally like peer outside, like they wouldn't go out
in the porch. They would peer outside like they were
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watching a horror movie or something when the snow. It
cracked me up. Man, I just thought it was hilarious. Uh.
But I mean for guys who grew up with they
probably you know, guys that went on to play college
or whatever, they probably never even saw snow until you know,
they they got a game in November that was a
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you know, a conference road game.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's crazy because, yeah, I
I never dealt the first time I dealt with snow
in Pittsburgh two thousand and five Chicago game, first I
ever dealt with it. And so for you know, for me,
like I didn't have any games that went north of
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Kentucky in College, Kuckey was the furthest point north I
ever went to play football. Furthest west I went was
was Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Well, no, Arkansas, I guess Arkansas close? Yeah, yeah close.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I mean they're like right there, right, they're right stacked
on the top of each other.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
It was truly reason was action and this is back
what now And now I'm going to pull back the
days of yore right back with football was still was
still regionality, you know, it was it was it was
confined to your section.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Of the country. Right. The Big East was a good old, you.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Know, Atlantic style type conference along with the AFC.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It expanded all the way down to.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Miami, and it went all the way up you know
to the Marshals of the world, the Pitts, the West
Virginia's right, you know, it was all right into that
you know area, and then of course you had Syracuse
that would extend a little bit further upstate New York.
It was an Atlantic style conference like the ACC. You know,
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Big ten was Midwest, it was upper Midwest, and then
expand across to the east. Big twelve was literally big Southwest.
You know what I'm saying. It was there and everything
else out west was PAC ten Country that turned the
PAC twelve Country along with Mountain West and Big Sky
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conferences right, and the Conference USA was a collection of
like in the Southern Belt type of Rust Belt type
of teams in Conference USA with a couple of teams
scattered up north. I mean, it was regionally based and
so I never really had to do crazy cold.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
We would get those frost days in Florida where it
would like freeze overnight and then as the sun came
out warn backup. Is kind of like what I'm used
to out here in Arizona. But you know, it snowed
once in my entire life as a kid in the
state of Florida. That was in nineteen eighty eight, which
is funny enough because that was a one time when
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that did.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Note that the Steelers were playing.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
The Bucks and Wolf remembered that one time, and I
was like, oh my god, I remember that as a kid,
and you and you remember it as.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
A football play.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's like, it was so funny to have a shared
regional experience because you know, Orlando and Tampa are like
right there in the state, you know, right there in
the central part of the state.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
We share a highway runs literally east to west. We call.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
We call it the East West Expressway or I four,
you know, and so it's like it's like we never
had to deal with those weather conditions. So the Christmas
for us was in the seventies and maybe high sixties,
but never ever snow. And I'll never forget the reason
(27:25):
I had to not go to Notre Dame. I showed
up an official visit in December, Rob and flew into Chicago,
drive over to South Bend, right, you know, that's kind
of the way. It's the nearest, biggest airport at the time.
And I remember doing like the intro meetings, you know,
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with the athletic director, president of university, met some of
the guys. We went to dinner, I hung out with
with a couple of guys on the team, and you know,
got back to my hotel room, went to bed that night.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I woke up the next morning there was three feet
of snow on the balcony. Rob like that.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
My whole thing was like, oh ude, I'm sorry, how
did this get here?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Like I always slept for like seven hours? Does happened
to seven hours? Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
No, no, new No, We're good and y'all still want
to play football and go to classes in this No,
I'm good now, I'm good now.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I got I'm gonna say south of the Mason Dixon.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I get it. But I got to ask you a question. So,
you know, I've talked to players in the past who
are from Florida, I think probably Florida, you know, maybe
maybe a guy or two from Texas about playing in
weather games. And they said they grew up in Orlando
or Miami or whatever watching those December games in the snow,
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and they always wanted to be part of it. They
thought it was cool. I wondered if they'd be out
there shivering. You know, there was a for years and
I don't know if it's still existing. Tampa Bay had
never won a game in which the kickoff was off
forty right, They'd never won a game.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
So they were terrible. Oh they were terrible. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Did you did you relish the idea after your Notre
Dame experience of being part of Like if you walked
out into Cleveland last year, bad bad memory, but it
is the Cleveland game and saw the snow, and you
were a player from Florida and that was your first time,
would you have been fired up for that or were
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you like, Okay, let's just get through this thing.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Man, Oh yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I would have definitely been fired up for that because
once again, you have achieved the ultimate goal. You have
made it to the pinnacle of sport, being at the
pro football level. And like you said, you've seen the
rights of autumn, right, you know, you hear about the
(30:18):
frozen tundra. You have all these classic iconic pictures and
you know there's that moment where you see that, you
experience that, and you're like, man, I really want to
do that one day. But as a college kid, knowing
you got to walk around campus for four years, you
going to classes, they're not only doing that on top
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of playing football. No, you don't want to do that
as a collegiate player, as a collegiate athlete, but when
you get to the pros, like this is kind of
like the right of passage, Like, you.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Haven't played football.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
At the NFL level until you have the NFL films
music playing in the background, feeling like you know, like
a soundtrack in your mind. As you walk out to
a field and you see the snow coming down, like
last year's game, that's snow Globe game.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Against the Browns.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I was ecstatic as a sideline reporter for the first
quarter dealing with that because I knew as a player,
I would have loved this opportunity. Right, Snow's kind of
in your eyes, is blowing around. The guy across from
you is kind of fuzzy looking in your vision, and
it is just battle time, you know what I'm saying. Right,
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It's just like, oh, this is good. Like I could
taste the snow. I could taste the weather and you
can literally stick your tongue out and snow was gonna
fallo in your tongue. I did it, trust me, I
did it when I wasn't on air with you guys.
And it's a dream coming. It's a childhood fantasy. At
that point once again, you're like, man, I've made it.
(31:56):
Like I've made it, and this is going to be
a memory that sticks out in my head. And for me,
that game was Chicago in two thousand and five. Right,
that was the game that sticks out because that was
the first time I had ever played in snow, and
snow was not on the forecast rob that day. It
was not on the forecast. And it's also the same
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day that I met my now wife for the first time.
She came to that game. So it's like a lot
of significance around that first snowy, questionable weather. I'd already
played in a hurricane in two thousand and four, and
we did. We did a lot of that in Florida,
So that's not really a new thing for a Southern guy.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
It might be might be for.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
The North and the West coast folks like, whoa wait
a second, you played in what you played through?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
A hurricane? What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, you know, lightning delays, you know, all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Was normal in Florida, like that was just the beginning
of football season. But snow and that type of weather
like that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Was brand new for me.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
And I remember vividly Coach Kwer asking me because I'm
a Florida guy through and through, born in Orlando, raised
in Orlando, went to school in Gainesville, and never played
in a verse weather outside of rain and you know,
and sent through lightning delays. But I never played in
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that other element, which was snow. And I remember him
Vidal asked, Hey, Max, how do you feel about playing
in snow? Like that was the one question Coach Kawra
had for me, and I just remember saying, well as
a ball present. Yeah, all right, well I'm ready to go.
That was my answer, even though I had no experience
in it.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
So did Tiffany sit in the snow for that now,
cause she's in Ohio. Yes, she's from Ohio. Yeah, she's
Ohio and she's okay with snow. But she sat in
the snow. We were playing Chicago in Pittsburgh, So she
sat in the stands as you played, and she.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Was not prepared.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
She was not prepared for the weather at the time
because snow was out on the forecast. So she had
like kind of like this cuter almost I'm trying, like
a tweed type coat, like a like kind of a
medium heaviness coat. So my buddy Nana, who is fantastic,
he's Ghanaian, and so Nana Nana came to the game too.
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He's he's sitting there with my wife, my mom, my cousin,
my aunt that are in the stands. And Nana has
a purple Toronto Raptors jacket.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Oh that's like a snow he said.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
So he so he gave the So he gave the
jacket to Tiffany to wear because.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
She was getting man, well, she didn't wear it. She
ended up with You know what.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I got to tell you, man, this is like when
they do the Max Starts Lifetime movie. Right, that's the
meat cute right there. That's the that's the part where
you guys get married. That makes it in the movie.
Now she's there, she's she's toughing it out. She's in
the stands now, she's wearing a purple jacket. You know,
maybe says she's walking out. Uh, somebody gives her guff.
(35:15):
We got it all made out, man, we got that. Yea,
we got that two minute scene right there in the movie.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Is a key scene in the movie.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, Max Starks, I love it.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
All Right, Hey Max, we gotta take a break. We're
gonna we gotta we have our key matchups to get
to we you know, I think that the you know
we're looking at yesterday, we kind of looked at the
Steelers offense against the Browns defense. Coming up, it's gonna
be the Browns offense against the Steelers defense. Also coming up,
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it's Missy Matthews also coming up. The keys to the
game is the Steelers try to take advantage of a
golden opportunity to not only get off to a great
start in the AFC North, but also to move ahead
of other floundering teams within the division. So all that
is still on the docket when we continue in the
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Speaker 2 (36:37):
And we thank you very much for being with us
in the locker room. So Max, we did the overview
of the students offense against the Browns defense. Very very
intriguing matchup, especially considering, you know, the Steelers really had
their best offensive showing against Minnesota. You know, they looked
like they started to put some pieces together in New England.
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They looked much sharper against Minnesota. Didn't finish the game
maybe the way you'd like to on off on offense,
but we're able to finish it off defensively. So we
did an overview of that yesterday. Hopefully Jalen Warren back
to to help that. And uh and you know, Kenneth
Gainwell coming off a terrific game, so we we kind
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of gave the overview there obviously Miles Garrett, but there
are other guys to watch on that front. They've got
a very good inside linebacker and Carson schwasseinger. Greg knews him.
They moved him back outside. He was having a bounce
back really fine season. He didn't apparently look as good
in the slot as he's looked in the outside, but
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they traded him to Jacksonville. They got a corner back
in that trade who's going to be starting presumably.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
What's that They got a corner back in the trade.
Gave away a corner and got a corner back. I
didn't even know it exactly, and he always shows it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Oh so very nice. So uh and and look he's
a he's a good player. They paid him. You know,
when I have questions about players that I maybe know
a little bit about, I go to my buddy Matt Williamson,
who knows a lot about him. Scouted him coming out
of college and uh, he said, you know, the guy
they got from Jacksonville kind of getting paid like a
(38:22):
number one maybe not really performing at that level. Jacksonville's
in it to win it now, so they think Newsome
obviously is an upgrade there. The Browns have some real
cap issues, you know, so they get Tyson Campbell back
his He is a guy who at a frontloaded deal
with Jacksonville. He signed for three and a half more years.
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They probably can't go out and get that guy in
free agency. And I'm sure they're thinking, now, hey, we
got our we got our pair of corners. You got
to you know. Uh, Miles Harden, a seventh round pick
a year ago, is getting a long look in the
at the slot position for them. But they're evaluating and
putting together. Piece is not that they're not trying to
win this year, but they they look like a team
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that's trying to position themselves for next year. I don't
think they're gonna have to do a whole lot on
the defense other than a depth which is probably good
because I think Deshaun Watson's cap hit next year max
is eighty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
That's so crazy. Eighty million. Garon teed hear me garon teed.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeo, And that's that's not just money you're paying out,
but it is cap space that you can't use because
they've got offensive linemen that are that are going to
be free agents after the season. You know, I don't know. Look,
Dwan Jones is hurt. He's probably you know, a good
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solid starter for him. But other than that, they have
to reel the offensive line. They do have draft picks,
but they might have to you know, figure out the
quarterback position. So we kind of did the overview of
Cleveland and just to wrap it up, Max, I'm gonna
give you a minute and a half to wrap up
what you're looking forward to in case people missed the
show yesterday. Uh, you know, what are the key elements
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when the Steelers have the ball coming up on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I mean, oh, you mean when the Steelers defenses up
right and there and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Has the ball.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I know, when the Steelers has the ball, because we're
going to talk about when Cleveland has the ball coming
up next.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Oh okay, okay, okay, that's on the next hour. Okay,
got it. I mean it's gonna be a challenge. I mean,
it's going to be You got a front defensive line
that you can't overlook at all, and that that defense,
that defensive line is is going to be formidable, right,
Miles Garrett, Mason, Graham, Leek Collins, Isaiah Maguire, Devin Bush,
Carson Sweessenger, that's your front six. And then of course
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Grant Delpit is a guy who's gonna play your box stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
When you see the.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Extra tight end or lineman down in the box, he's
that guy. It's gonna be interesting to see what you know,
how much Tyson Campbell can absorb and be ready to
play and participate.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
If not, you have.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Jered Bernard Converse that could potentially play one of the corners,
or Tray Avery opposite Denzel Ward in those moments. And
like you said, Miles, Harden's beginning a long look. He's
backed up by Dom Jones, a rookie that they've gotten
free agency cut to come in and kind of spell
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a little bit. He has yet to play with him,
but that's what your backup Nickel looks like. So I
just wonder how the dissemination snaps. And of course Crazy
Casey is over there, but he's been nicked up. So
you know he's he's been on the injury report all week,
so I wonder what his availability. I imagine you gotta
(41:51):
just mentally strap it on because you want to you
want to show up against your old team. But he's
been dealing with a sickness all week as as been leading,
so he hasn't practiced at all leading up to his
designation is illness and he is not practiced all week.
So that's gonna be interesting who how they activate, how
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they roll through guys, kind of like how we did
with injuries, right, you want to see who's up. That's
where the James Pierres of the world come into play,
and Brandon Eckles a starter, and you know you have
a different millange of guys that can come in and play.
So it's gonna be really interesting. Ronnie Hickman has been
there starting free safety, backed up by the rookie Donovan McMillan,
(42:37):
which everybody knows because he was played at Pitt last year.
So it's gonna be very interesting to see him. He's
a Florida Gate, he's a former Gator.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's that's where I know him basically from it.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Yeah, transferred to Pitt and so It's gonna be really
interesting to see how that goes.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
But it's gonna be a challenge. It's not gonna be easy.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
For the Steelers, and I think that's where I think
we will see a little bit more Spencer Anderson again,
which nothing wrong with it, because if you gets your
run game going and they have to dedicate more guys
into the box, that's more favorable one on ones on
the outside for two man routes, which we've been crushed
on at the beginning of the season. Right think about
the the the Horton touchdown for Seattle, uh, and I'm
(43:19):
sorry Horton was No Sorry, Horton was the Jets and
then who was running the deep over for No.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
E was Taekwon Thornton, Jackson Smith and jig.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, Jackson Smith and Jigbot was was it was the
Seattle game and then and then Taekwon Thornton was the
Jets game. Sorry to get they all get jumbled up
there in the beginning of your head for UH, for
those big.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Plays of deep over crossers.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So I mean, you get favorable matchups, and that's what
you want to get to. You want to have teams
scared of your run game. Therefore that dedicate more resources
into the box and now you get the favorable single
high let it fly concept that I always love. That
That was Bruce arians mantra and it holds true this day. Yeah,
when you get a one on one and a safety
that's in the quandary, that's a good place to be.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You don't want them playing too deep and just.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Playing zones and everybody just kind of sits down, and
now you gotta find tight windows to get plays accomplished.
I think DK metcalf eighty yarder for reference if you're wondering. So,
I love where that's going to be and I'm really
excited about this matchup.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Wait, how was longer than a minute? Thirty?
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I apologize, It's okay. We need it in depth. We're
gonna get in depth with Missy Matthews coming up next.
We also have our keys to the game when we
continue in the locker room, presented by our neighborhood Forwards
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