November 25, 2025 • 47 mins
Max and Rob discuss the Hall of Fame semi finalists, continue to recap the loss to the Bears, and speak with play by play man Alvaro Martin.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
And thank you very much for being with us two
days before Thanksgiving here in the locker room with Justin
Miller's at the control in our iHeart Studio and Max
starks On, Rob King. We have much to get to
because we have a bit of a truncated week. No
show on Thursday. That means tomorrow we're going to be
taking some phone calls. A tradition in the locker room,
(00:48):
a new one for me, but a tradition for you
that have listened to the locker room for many years.
The things you're thankful for and your favorite Thanksgiving portion
of food? What do you like best on thank What
are you most looking forward to? I know what I'm
most looking forward to. I've got my examples lined up
coming up today. Bob Labriola, It's Tuesdays with Labs. He's
(01:11):
going to be joining us at eleven o'clock. Prior to that,
we're going to be joined by Alvarro Martin, the great
Spanish speaking play by play man for the Steelers, and
of course, if you know anything about alv Ro, also
Spanish speaking NBA broadcaster, one of the best in the business,
so he'll be joining us coming up wan or mind
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you also, Wednesday's a hump day with Wexel. Jim Wexel
is going to be joining us, and Friday, Missy Matthews
will be here as we get you ready for what
is now looming as a critical game. This is a
very very important game for the Steelers. They've let their
margin of the margin they had when they got off
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to the four and one start slip away, and they
are now technically in second place in the division because
the Ravens told the tiebreaker, although of course that all
gets sorted out when you play each other. Still, that's
the position that you were hoping to be in as
you get ready to go down the stretch and for
the Steelers that test another test comes up against the
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Buffalo Bills. It's been a difficult portion of the schedule
and I think probably you know, looking at the schedule
at the beginning of the year. People probably didn't expect
that much out of Indianapolis, for example. They didn't probably
expect much at of New England, which of course was
a good test. But the Steelers now they are taking
on Buffalo this Sunday four twenty five, kickoff at Baltimore
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on December seventh. Now suddenly the Monday night game against
Miami looks a little more challenging because Miami has been
coming on. They're at Detroit at Cleveland again division game,
you never know, and then they take on Baltimore in
a you know, flex game, so the time hasn't been
announced to all games game flex games. Heading to that
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final week of the schedule. As for the Baltimore Ravens,
you might be wondering what their schedule looks like. Well,
they take on Cincinnati Thursday night, eight twenty game. We're
all gonna be watching, trying to stay awake with the
trip to whatever it is when you get sleepy with
the Turkey trip to fan or whatever something like that. Anyway,
battling the sleepiece to stay up on Thursday night, and
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then they get sort of a mini by and the
Steelers have got a couple teams on minibis, they get
a bit of a mini bi and then they take on,
of course, the Steelers on December seventh. Then they're at
Cincinnati on December fourteenth, and it'll be very interesting to
see where the two teams stand, the Steelers and the
Ravens at that point on the fourteenth. After the game's
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on the fourteenth, because we just mentioned the Steelers schedule,
the Ravens have New England, They're at Green Bay and
then at the Steelers to conclude their season. So the
schedule is certainly interesting for the respective teams as they
head down the schedule. But of course, you know, if
you break it up into a little mini bite sized piece,
is these next three games and then those last three
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games for both teams max is gonna be interesting. As
these two teams said down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It was maybe you know, the schedule makers love when
their plans come together. They love when you know, the
diabolical nature of how they create these schedules comes to
fruition this time of year and moving into the final
month in December, slash that tail game on January at
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the beginning of January, and I think you kind of
laid it out really well and you talk about, you know,
being able to put this into almost like half's first
and second half of this six games. You know, how
do you split those three and three two in ones?
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But really it starts with just just going one to
oh for the week, right, I mean, that's right, that's
the goal. You just have to have very very short
term visions and short term minds that I'm just trying
to put myself in this little silo and it's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
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game day. That's all I can think about. That's all
I can think about. Well on today Tuesday obviously, but
they're off day. But as far as work prep, getting
ready and showing up, you know, you put yourself in
those little you know, five four to five day windows
and say, okay, for the next four to five days,
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I'm committing to this and I need to be all
about that for that short amount of time. Remember saying
fourty five days can here four to five days boom,
Just be locked in just for that and only that.
Your film study, your your rehab and your prehab, how
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you take care of your body and you know, getting
the right amount of sleep, putting the right things in
your you know, your nutrition, putting the right things in
your mouth. Right. All of these things are what you know,
go into that process on top of extensive video watching
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and notes because you can't get enough physical reps this
time of year, and you've got to supplement digitally, visually, verbally.
You've got to use another element outside of the physical
to get yourself ready for a game. So I think
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when I look at that and I think about, you
know where this team is. You know, we could be hard,
as hard or as light as we want about the team.
The reality is we are in a better position than
a lot of other people. Future still in our hands
and we control it. You just got to just come together.
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Like you said, it's a small thing with the consistency,
but it's also a huge thing right because other teams
can't do it or don't know to do it. I
believe this team does now understand what that means and
what that looks like, and it should be something that
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they should use as a positive block right now communication
or within the symmetry of the team. But it can
be whittled away, it can be chiseled away, it can
be worked on, it can be improved. It's but you
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have to have that desire inside of you. That's what
it comes down to. That's something I see it at times,
so I know it's capable. As don't know if they
know why. You know the rabbit ears has the aluminum
foil on it. Now all of a sudden, I was
getting a clear picture three days ago, Kanger. But now
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all of a sudden, man, you know, I got pee
wee back there trying trying to mess with it, you know,
and and get and get the signal just right, so
we can watch this tube some just something, just one
little thing. And I hope they figure that out, because
you do not want to in the end come out
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and say, man, we should have been playing in January,
or if I just would have done this a couple
of weeks ago, we would have been this like no
no stern unturned. So agreed.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Now, let me ask you a question, because you know,
fans sort of see this from a different perspective perhaps
than players do. Right, So I'm gonna take you know,
we check it in the power rankings this time of year, right, well,
this time of week, every week, and what does the
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rest of the league think about the Steelers? And by
the way, the athletic we're looking at them. The Athletic
had them, I think higher than anybody had them thirteenth,
and they've tumbled down to eighteen. Just so you know,
taking on the bills, who're back in the top ten
according to or in the top ten according to the Athletic,
So six and five teams fifty percent chance ish close
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enough of making the playoffs historically since they started keeping
track of these things some twenty five years ago. Thirty
five years ago, the Athletic says, our playoff simulator gives
the Steelers a twenty percent chance of making the postseason.
Twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's it, max.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
If you are a player. Do players you actually use
that sort of thing for motivation?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I remember it wasn't that long ago that people used
to They always say, well, we don't pay any attention
to that stuff, And then you start hearing athletes say,
well nobody thought we could do it. I'm always wondering
who that nobody is. But in this case, when somebody
says twenty percent chance of making the playoffs, and you
know that statistically it's higher than that, what they're saying
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is you've got a tough schedule and we don't think
you're good enough to make the playoffs. Well, teams players
use that as motivation. Is it a case by case
basis team or player wise or is it just ignored?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Uh? I think I think I largely is ignored because
you know, anything that's going to be not favorable or
you know, kind of kick them while they're down type
of process. And that's where we're at right now. You know,
we just took that loss. Can't get can't see them
to get a street going. You know, people want to
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you know, they'd rather pour gasoline on this fire, stay
of pouring out some type of retardant to slow slow
the flames. So you can't really read media right now.
You can't really listen to a lot of the outside
noise because you kind of have to go into this
circle the wagons, huddle up and and keep yourself in
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tunnel vision. So you want to talk surround, eat, drink
with people with the same goal in mind, and by
goal I mean the same team goal in mind, and
you kind of just tune out all the noise. You know,
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you find other channels to watch it don't involve sports,
you know, and you you put your film study first,
you put your body first. First with taking care of it,
rehabbing it, training, stretching whatever it is, strengthening and you
just attack that full speed. But it's always done. We
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always called it, Hey, can't you know when they come in, Oh,
do you hear this thing about not? For whatever reason,
that story to make through my silo, right and just
look at him to stare at it. I've done that
a number of times, Ed Bouschette over the years when
I was talking for got none for you, Ed, Now
you shouldn't got none for you, Ed. I mean, yeah,
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it happens. It happens better man because of it, because
it will be that that will be the grit resiliency
that you go through when you look back on that journey.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Now, Ed, as you know, is part of the voting
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he stumps
very hard for pittsburgh'steethers and he has a he has
a very influential voice. I mean that is extremely well
respected on the NFL. And this year is just announced
as we take a total leap from what we're doing
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to this bit of news that heines Ward is a
semi finalist for the twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall
of fame.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, buddy, what a son. I'm happy for Hines, a
well deserved honor and you know a guy that I mean,
I could wax poetic about Hines for a while, but
I'll just leave everybody with this. I mean, he changed
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the game of football and how wide receivers played the position.
That's it. Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, I mean there's a lot of things to talk
about with Heines, and hopefully we'll get to some of
those things. Because you know, if you look at the
raw numbers again to me, you know, like Rick Tockett
and hockey, you know, got injured and maybe didn't put
up the raw numbers, didn't get the five hundred goals,
came close, had a shorter prime. Maybe that people would say, well,
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his prime wasn't short enough. But I'll say in his prime,
there isn't a hockey team in the NHL that wouldn't
have him as their first line right wing, not one,
because he could do it all. He could score, he
could drop the gloves if you needed him too. He
could protect your players. He was a menacing force, but
a gifted force, just the kind of player you want
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on your team. And I think I could use those
same adjectives to describe hines Ward. There isn't a team
in the NFL that wouldn't have said, we'll take hines Ward.
And he's starting for us. He's starting outside, he's starting
in the slot, but he is starting for us because
he's a tone setter, one of those players. And the
numbers are great, thousand career receptions one of those players.
To me, that is more than the numbers. And I
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think that there's you know, people will make the case
for players and sometimes I think, well, okay, maybe, But
in the case of heines Ward, I say, definitely he
was more than his numbers. And the numbers are great,
but he was more than his numbers.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you know, you sometimes described
as like you know, for look as you know in basketball, right,
it's like, man, he played bigger than bigger than his
height dictated, right, this dude was well beyond his side,
like he played ten times bigger. Well, heines Ward falls
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in that same analogy. When he was out there, it
was it was darn near a cheat code for us,
Like that's the difference that he made because you knew
heines are going to play mostly mostly your slot, whichever
side it was he would get some ISO opportunities obviously,
but you know you're motioning him to come crack the
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number eight guy in in the line up. You know,
you're asking him to hit a double team wedge block
before releasing on a route. You're also asking him to
sometimes take a snap and be quarterback mom. I mean,
there's so many different things that Hines Ward has has
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been and that he added to any given play, to
any given opportunity or moment he has risen to the occasion.
Now this actually might be catching him, you know, a
little well, not a little bit off guard, because I
think he was a SEMLI finalist last year, and I
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don't think the year before. I think, no, he might
he might have been SEMI. I don't think he's gotten
finalists yet. So you know, this will be a little
bit different, and you know, I wish him the best.
I think, you know, it's overdue for him because he
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is such a dynamic guy. You know, the receivers at
ASU right now, Jordan Tyson was one of the top
wide receivers in this year's draft. I mean, he talked
about just how much he grew as a player, how
much he grew as a man and just being all
involved with with the process and how he's falling in
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love with coaching and his players are starting are appreciating that.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So we're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to
the Hall of Fame class up next for you and
get it to the great Alvaro Martine. He's gonna join
us when we continue in the Locker Room, presented our
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Speaker 4 (18:12):
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Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't look up.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
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Speaker 3 (18:26):
DJ one Nicky Herd recorded Touchdown. Come.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I have to ask, because we we have the Great
Alvarro Martine on with us, how do you describe a
fumble recovery Alvarro.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Just saying, so Doyle blon, he sort of lost, gave
up on the ball, and then uh, you know, touchdowns, touchdown,
Roose are the good old days in that game?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
The first half the good.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Old dates they were?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Alvro Martine, the great play by play man on the
Spanish speaking broadcast for the Steelers and of course NBA uh,
just a phenomenal person and broadcaster joining us now Alvaro
of you know, I've been talking a little bit about,
you know, the Steelers record and where they are right now,
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and knowing that, you know, in three of their losses
at halftime against Seattle, Green Bay and Chicago, not only
did the Steelers have the lead against those free playoff teams,
but they got the ball first to begin the second half.
And this this sort of inability to you know, sort
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of put the hammer down in the third quarter is
something that I think needs to be rectified if this
team's going to be able to live up to its potential.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Indeed, Robin, good morning to you. In the third quarter,
they averaged three point one point score per third quarter.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
That's the lowest in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And they also have a streak of sixty games in
which they failed to score more than seven points in
the first quarter. Then you see the game after the
Chargers game when they meet Cincinnati, and they are as
crisp on that in that opening series as you can get.
I mean, they look like a killer team. So they
are capable of doing that. It's just that we see
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them very rare. We see that very rarely, and typically
come it comes after a loss or kind of a
subpar game and they kind of boot up again and
get get sharp. The in ability to sustain is something
that that be devil's this team. I don't know if
it's what exactly is the issue.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
To me.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
To me, it comes down to there's there's some mistakes
you make because you're eager, you invade the neutral zone,
you get a little jump on the on the count
and you you're off side as a as a defender,
you know you don't like them, and they hurt you
for sure like any other but at least you kind
of look at them and go, Okay, they come from
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the right place. But then there are others that are
just lack of concentration.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And it says to me that.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
If I make that mistake on the team, I'm in
right now it's going to cost us the playoffs. I mean,
there's just no, there's no. The lack of concentration sort
of does not match the position the team is in.
There are a lot of teams that know, hey, we
don't have a lot of margins for erson, and they
play that way. Some of them don't have a lot
of talent, but they play with the right focus with
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their limitations and talent, but with the right focus. To me,
talent doesn't seem to be an issue in this team.
Concentration is sustain concentration. They can do it at times.
Look at that play you just aired. That was an
unbelievable play, but it's how do you sustain it. The
other example that I give is you're down ten, you
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need two scores firteen minutes plus almost fifteen minutes to
go almost.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
The entire fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
But I'm going to read you the seconds that we're
expired between plays on offense for Pittsburgh, where I think
a quick setup would be fifteen seconds, a really quick
second would be twenty seconds.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Anything after twenty five it's a little slow.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Here we go thirty six, twenty two, forty two seconds,
forty one seconds. That's almost a minute, thirty nine seconds,
then twenty two, thirty two, twenty seven, thirty nine, thirty
and thirty four. When you're down three thirty one twenty
eight from first to second down forty four seconds went by.
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This is when it's down to like four minutes. You
still had your three timeouts thirty six seconds, twenty nine,
twenty eight, and then of course afterwards you really have
to operate quick. But at that point you had no timeouts.
And that's just one example what I thought, where's the
urgency here? We're down two scores, Chicago may even score
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the way they're playing in the second half. Where's the
urgency to try to get the play, get enough time
for another play in case you need it at the
end of the game. You can always sit on the
ball and kill clock at the end, but with a lead,
it's difficult when you're down to the gauge that and
so those are the kind of things.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
It's almost as if they hadn't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I can't say they hadn't practiced that, but they were
not aware and they were not executed.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
It wasn't just Mason.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
This could be a combination of Mason and play called
not getting in quickly. I just get the sense of
that and that legal formation play. You can see Mason
the video yell at gain weell on the left to
get over on the other side. The moment he does,
he figured, Okay, I don't have to worry about that,
except Kenneth didn't step up or Austin didn't step up
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to the line to cover the tackle. That's that's crazy.
I don't know, you can't afford that. Those are the
ones that just leave you scratching your head.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Well and Alvro, I think the biggest thing is, like
it's attention to detail, right, It's those little nuances of
the game right if you're it could because you remember,
like Mason was like scuttling Calvin already over there to
that side, or Kenneth over to that side because he
was lined up on the left right, so you had
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so and then you got the play in kind of late.
And that's the problem was that they were worrying about,
was delay of game. Right, you get it, you you
get you get to play in late, and you also
don't have that time out. Remember the James Pierre injury
also wiped out on the final drive, like wiped out
that one time out you could have used at the
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end to possibly if you wanted to do the kick
or whatever. You lost that and James here, I thought,
did everything in his power to make sure that he
did not get a stoppage. He wanted to lay there.
But for whatever is like, hey, situational football, I have
to get off the field to play because it's a
turnover on downs or potentially about a turnover on downs,
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and I'm in a position where we had to preserve
timeouts and preserve the opportunity for the offense. And that
was one that I felt like was was one of
those handful of collection of plays where man one decision
had a snowball that forced forced the team to go
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to a place and and not have the opportunity to
finish the game. And I think that's the one when
we talk about consistency the execution of the operating offense
or defense, that's tough because even on that Dj Moore
DB's were pointing and communicating when the ball was snapped,
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and you know, there was this confusion. There's another time
where I think the dB played played a little bit
too tight on the receivers. They're trying to run like
a prevent wall type of secondary. But they did it
with three guys and Chicago said, I see your three,
I'm gonna raise you to four. And the fourth guy
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proved to be the the the one guy that would
be open DJ Moore, And you know you're left with
the secondary kind of having some confusion and also now
having you know, have it being down one guy. So
I say this to you, Alvaro, can you, in your
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humble opinion, do you think that with two games left
with Baltimore in this season another game with Cleveland, you
know what that playoff picture really looks like for the
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Steelers and the possibility of getting there this season? What
are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Make it simple.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
If you're at six wins, for you to even be
in the in the ballpark of consideration to make the playoffs,
you need ten wins. You need four more wins. To
just keep it real simple. Are you gonna beat Buffalo?
Are you gonna beat Detroit? At Detroit? To me, this
means that you have to beat Baltimore once, possibly twice,
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unless Baltmore suffers a horrific defeat at the hand of
the handle of the Cincinnati Bengals, and maybe Joe Joe Borrow.
You basically are down to the situation where you have
to win at least one of those two games, possibly both,
to make the playoffs. It's a it's a tough call,
very tough call. But we talked about concentration. When you're
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insisted that in a position that the Steelers went right, now,
concentration comes back. It's like, you know, concentration comes back
in a hurry when you when your face with this
sort of adversity in front of you. The Toush push,
the failed one. I don't understand exactly what happened there
with Connor. He was yelling at game well at some
point I understand exactly what the snaff who was, but
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there was no impetus of that play.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And then I didn't hear.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
The whistle, But I thought on that on the one
thing about the Tousch push is the ballcarrier floats over
a bunch of bodies.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
The ballcarrier will typically never touch the.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Ground, They'll be stopped and the whistle will whistle, will
will ring. I did not catch the whistle. I thought
he had gotten through on the second or third porsch,
but hey, no challenge there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
What do I know?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Joey Porter had an interception, but Nick Herbick, you know,
invaded the neutral zone, so get rid of that. Coralis
had a fifty four yard punt to the end yard line,
but Scronic was holding. So right, let's rekick again from
deeper in our territory and then a thirty four yarder
from Corlis after that, you know, Montes what gets at
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the trifecta on Mason Rudolph again. But the one thing
about rule, if you know, is and he thought he
had beaten was his internal clock was always a little
longer than it should have been.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
This is one play where you should have gotten.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Rid of the ball one way or the other sideline
or whatever, quicker, but hey, it happens.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It happens on the DJ Moore pass.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
I know that Brandon and Joey deaf and it's I
don't know what the specific coverage was, but I just
it's hard for me to think that the idea was
to have Kyle covered two receivers in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
It's just hard, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
He's good, He's not that good.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
He's not that good. So so some one of those
two guys had to drop and I don't know who
and they were looking at each other and they look stunned.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Like they looked they truly believe that the other guy
was supposed to go. So tough for anybody to say there.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
That formation illegal formation by gain Will got rid of
a twenty two yard scamper by Rudolph. And by the way,
Rulos shows some speed in that run. By the way,
I just have to comment on that. So you have
all these all these examples. But again I go back
to the time between plays. When you're down ten. You
had three consecutive plays in which the time between plays
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between snaps was forty two seconds, forty one seconds, thirty
nine seconds. That's two and a half three minutes, three
minutes in three plays, So that itself had to be quicker.
And you talk about saving your timeouts, You save your
time timeouts with quicker with less time between plays. That's
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how you because you're banking time between plays for later
if you need them, or if you throw a long
pass and you have to kind of hustle up to
the line and it's going to take a few extra seconds.
So if you have these short plays, you know, just
get back in the line quickly. And that awareness wasn't there.
And that's the part of concentration that you wonder. You're
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down ten, you're not up you're not down three, or
you're not up three, you're down ten. In the second half,
and by the way, Caleb Williams looked very good in
the second half, it only goes to show the moment
that kid figures out everything he needs to figure out,
oh my, that's gonna be a load. There's no guarantee
of that happening, but that that will be a very
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difficult thing to be when that kid figures it out.
He did in the second half. He got rid of
the ball quickly, he was decisive, but he made some
throws that just leave you also stunned, like what was that?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
What?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
What's what's the point of that? When he figures it out?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, seriously, No, I we agree.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
We were saying the same thing. He you know, uh,
for years, I thought inaccuracy was one of those things
al Barrow that couldn't be fixed at the NFL level.
Was the knock against several quarterbacks, including Josh Allen. Well,
Allen seems to have figured it out pretty well from
from college to the pros. And that's the I would
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say that's the one knock on Caleb Williams. He's he's
extremely mobile, he's got a great arm. He made some
very good throws in this game, but he made some
head scratchers too, and he does that every game.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
It's not like he throws it at the feet of
the receiver or he throws it in the direction that
basically goes out of bound. It's a bailoup throw. It's
a head scratcher.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
What was that.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
There's no primar reason to that throw. He's gonna start
cutting them down because Ben Jonson's gonna make sure that.
By the way, the relationship between Johnson and Williams is
fascinating to watch from the outside.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
They don't they don't talk any more than they have
to to each other.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
The respectful both of them are, but it's a very
interesting dynamic between those two and most quarterbacksually mentioned Josh Allen,
I would assume that Caleben has the same competitive and him.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Eventually get better because they're competitive. He hasn't figured things out.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
When he does, it's gonna be very tough to beat
that guy at home, away, anywhere. But that wasn't the
case in this game. That wasn't the case in this game.
This game had had opportunities for Pittsburgh. What's good about Pittsburgh, Well,
when they needed to, the defense responded at the end
of that game, in that fourth quarter basically two three
and outs, including that play where Timely decided to punt
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from the twenty third your own twenty third and people
criticize him for that. Well, the defense made him look
pretty good and they got the ball back with three
time mounts, so that that showed up. They stopped a
very good offensive team on the ground, essentially at home,
and you can say that their left tackle wasn't there,
and then Jackson got hurt and he left the game,
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and that those were true.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
That certainly didn't help. And then the ground game for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
One thing that I noticed before the Broderick Jones injury,
I can't remember seeing a game where Roderick Jones was
most left, most uncovered by Darnell or by Spencer, by
somebody else, by Johan oh Smith. It's almost like they're
taking the training wheels off that offensive line and now
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they're using Spencer as a fullback or just in different
capacities than just let's just shore up the edge of
this line. So that's that's a nice sign of progress.
You can say that Chicago's front, except for Montezueat, isn't
that great. Whatever, I do believe there's progress there, and
I think that's fun. Five yards per carry I think
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tops the season high for the team. One hundred and
eighty six yards on the ground. You can take away
that fifty five yard run by game by the way,
that was brilliant. Mark Andrews had done it the league before,
but Gainwell is such such a dynamic run. I was
surprised he didn't score, but the replay was very convincing.
(35:03):
So there are a lot of good things for pitch
where the only thing is when you do run, you know,
you take longer and you seem to renounce explosive plays
over the air. It's almost like the passing game becomes
a compliment. Let's just get the forty yards meets of
the first down. Let's just do a little change of
pace because we were doing so well. So it works,
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it works, it's a different team. It won't score thirty points.
You're limiting yourself a bit because it just takes longer.
But the thing that strikes me is you're renouncing explosive plays.
You know, you spend a lot of money on three
really outstanding tight ends in Pittsburgh, but they only had
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eight targets in the game. That's twenty seven percent of
the targets. So you're spending a lot more money on
them than on wide receivers, and yet you're not throwing
them the ball and they're not And two of them
are not known for blocking, even though I think Pat
Fryer must has improved tremendously as a blocker, they're not
known as blockers. So there are things that you still
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wonder why that doesn't happen. You know, the choices are made,
and you know the choices means that you're going to
renounce certain things, but there are moments you wonder, well, gee,
in this game, this team is missing three linebackers. They
actually were down a fourth early in the game. They
were just the guy with a green dot was in
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the practice squad. So at one point at part of
this game, and so you just wonder, Okay, what are
we going to do against these guys in the middle
with our tight ends? And you really didn't see much
of that, So you know, again, whether that was there
or not, I've seen the tape.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I can't. I can't. I'm not an expert.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I can't tell you definitively there were some definite opportunities
when we missed them right down the middle.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
But you just wonder why schematically you couldn't take advantage
of that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, they didn't, and they now find themselves six and five.
I've been facing a hugely important game against the Buffalo Bills. Alvarro,
happy thanksgiving to you, my friend. Thanks very much for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Don't stuff your face, gentlemen, don't stop your face. We
still have a season to go here.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'll be stuffy. We do we do well. I'm gonna
sell my face. But you you work out afterwards, you walk,
or you take a nap in between sessions.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
All that. Yeah, one day.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Avro, see you Sunday, my friend. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1 (38:04):
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Speaker 2 (38:27):
And welcome back, Thanks very much for joining us. It's
going to take a brief moment to talk about the
Hall of Fame class and the semi finals that were
announced twenty six Modern era candidates. Mentioned earlier that Elsie
Greenwood is among the semifinalists.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
For the.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Senior category. So here are some of the new guys
you ready, Max Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten,
Frank Gore any absolute no doubt first ballot no brainers
for you. Larry Fitzgerald, Yep, yeah, I mean, and I
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feel like I feel like huh man, but man, yeah,
both quarterbacks, well, I mean Breeze and Rivers. You know,
I think I think you have to put both of them.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
And Breeze obviously a little bit easier. Has a Super
Bowl victory came in a key time in New Orleans
as well, you know, in the face and and the
aftermath of you know what happened with Hurricane Katrina, and
you know, they were just unstoppable that year. They took
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down the you know.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
The.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Highly esteemed, highly regarded Peyton Manning in that in that
Super Bowl. Frank Gore played forever. And Frank Gore, you know,
was another guy that you talk about just well stood
the test of time. I mean, if Terrell Davis can
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get into it, I don't know how you don't have
a Frank Gore who had the longevity. He didn't have
the Super Bowl victories that Terrell Davis had with the
team that he had with John Elway and you know,
Shannon Sharp and all those other guys. I mean, he
had a shorter career, but he made it in Frank
Gore was the opposite. He was a tank. I mean
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I played against Frank in college, and you know, for
him to have had the career that he had at
the running back position, right, it's just phenomenal. So I mean, yeah, yeah,
most of the guys you wrote in there, Jason Whitten,
another guy a ton of yards you know, was a fixture,
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was you know, the face of the tight end position
for a while in the league during our era. Wow,
there's a lot of semi finalists there, and then you
know you still have to make room behind I feel like,
but oh yeah, yeah, that's a tough class.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
It is.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It always is. I mean, I think it's the most
difficult Hall of Fame to suss out to me. And
by the way, four to eight members, that's that's what
you're gonna get. So yeah, to me, Larry Fitzgerald, and
I would say, breeze out of that. Rivers can wait.
If Eli Manning's waiting to meet Philip, Rivers can wait.
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Not that he doesn't deserve it, but so I got
breeze in Fitzgerald. Among the newcomers. Now, there's a lot
of guys that are that are you know, you have
Willie Anderson, Tory Holt, Luke, Keigley, Adam Vinnit Terry. They
were in the semi final. They were the final seven
players in the twenty twenty five class. Willie Anderson, Tory Holt, Keighley,
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Adam VINITII.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That group.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
To me, it's Keighley. I know he had a short career,
but man was he dominant in his time. But I
don't know how you feel about it. I mean, you know,
here's the thing, Man, They're all good. They're all really good.
They're all great. Uh So, if I was gonna pick
one from that group, I would say Keighley. But but
you have any thoughts, Yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
(42:27):
I'm just surprised, you know, I was surprised that Willie
had made it to the finals. I mean, WILLI was
a really good player. I had a lot of Pro
Bowls to his name. But will you talk about just
a dominant offensive lineman. I I just I don't see
him as a dominant offensive lineman for the majority of
his career, you know, not like Alan Fanica, not like
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Steve Hutchinson, you know, and the guys I think of.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
In recent years for a Hall of Famer. But I mean,
but yeah, you have to kind of put that put
their names in a hat. But yeah, you're right. I mean,
Luke Keigley was just dynamic. It almost comes back to
the Terrell Davis type of situation when Terrell got in
shorter career, not as not the longevity that you normally
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associate with players, but man, just he was. He was
a tackling machine. He was sidelined the sideline, he was backfield,
you know, deep deep in the secondary he was. He
was picking balls off, you know, and and and just
a dynamic linebacker. So I would agree. I think of
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that last year stock that made it to the finals. Yeah,
if anybody's gonna make it would be Kekikley.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah it You know, to me, when a when a
player is that great. So in baseball, Sandy Kofax was
that great for a very short period of time. Gail
Sayers was that great in football for a very short
period of time. I don't know how many guys are
in the Hall their respective All Fames with a shorter
prime than that. Now you can make the argument that
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Sayers is among the greatest running backs in NFL history
and could play in any era and be dominant. Sandy
Kofax maybe the greatest left handed pitcher in baseball. But
that opens the door for me for guys that are
those guys had you know, five year primes or whatever
they were. You know, if you have a seven, eight,
nine year prime. And for me, I was it drove
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me bananas that Tony Eliva wasn't in the Baseball Hall
of Fame years ago. He finally got in a couple
of years ago. But Luke Keikley, to me, I mean
defensive Rookie of the Year, his rookie year and then
the last seven seasons of his career he made the
Pro Bowl and he was a first Team. He was
All Pro, won five of those seasons and the other
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two was All Pro too. I don't know how much
more dominant you can be over a short period of
time than Keighley was. But again, you know, people might say, hey,
it wasn't long enough. Oh let me run through some
more of these. Eli Manning, Fred Taylor, Steve smith Senior.
Always had a soft spot in my heart for Steve Smiths.
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I just love the way he played. I would have
to look at.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Was tough he was.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
He was another one of those guys that you would
always anybody would want on their team, Steve Smith Senior,
Reggie Wayne and oh Good Evans, Yondah Suggs and Darren Woodson.
And then we have Lomas Brown, Keith Williams, Hines, Ward
Richmond Webb, Steve was Nowski, Rodney Harrison, Earl Thomas another guy.
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I kind of have a soft spot for, Vince will
Fork and Robert Mathis.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
I don't see anybody there that's sticking out, you know,
clearly above Hines for me.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
No, I think you're all kind of right clumped in there,
and I think you know, Hines would be the most
decorated of that crew. M Sorry, it's just when you
say the name Terrell sucks, It's just it brings you
up a very pressure sensitive But I mean, you know,
for example, I mean he was dynamic. He was dynamic,
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but and he has Super Bowls. He was not a
Super Bowl MVP for seven time Pro Bowl, I think,
one All Pro.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And then again, you know, now you start to get
Steve Wisnowski and again I'm looking these numbers up. Please
don't think that I've got this memorized. He was on
the Hall of Fame All Nineties team, eight time Pro Bowl,
two time All Pro That reminds me that we have
an offensive lineman on the show, and I want to
ask about offensive lineman. But you know what, I have
(46:42):
a specific question I want to ask you, but it
has to wait because we have our Tuesday with Labs
coming up, which means we have to take a break.
So we're going to do that now, and we're going
to get back with a with a key question for
Max Starks as it relates to the Hall of Fame
and offensive lineman. But we'll get to that in a
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
And thank you very much for being with us two
days before Thanksgiving here in the locker room with Justin
Miller's at the control in our iHeart Studio and Max
starks On, Rob King. We have much to get to
because we have a bit of a truncated week. No
show on Thursday. That means tomorrow we're going to be
taking some phone calls. A tradition in the locker room,
(00:48):
a new one for me, but a tradition for you
that have listened to the locker room for many years.
The things you're thankful for and your favorite Thanksgiving portion
of food? What do you like best on thank What
are you most looking forward to? I know what I'm
most looking forward to. I've got my examples lined up
coming up today. Bob Labriola, It's Tuesdays with Labs. He's
(01:11):
going to be joining us at eleven o'clock. Prior to that,
we're going to be joined by Alvarro Martin, the great
Spanish speaking play by play man for the Steelers, and
of course, if you know anything about alv Ro, also
Spanish speaking NBA broadcaster, one of the best in the business,
so he'll be joining us coming up wan or mind
(01:32):
you also, Wednesday's a hump day with Wexel. Jim Wexel
is going to be joining us, and Friday, Missy Matthews
will be here as we get you ready for what
is now looming as a critical game. This is a
very very important game for the Steelers. They've let their
margin of the margin they had when they got off
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to the four and one start slip away, and they
are now technically in second place in the division because
the Ravens told the tiebreaker, although of course that all
gets sorted out when you play each other. Still, that's
the position that you were hoping to be in as
you get ready to go down the stretch and for
the Steelers that test another test comes up against the
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Buffalo Bills. It's been a difficult portion of the schedule
and I think probably you know, looking at the schedule
at the beginning of the year. People probably didn't expect
that much out of Indianapolis, for example. They didn't probably
expect much at of New England, which of course was
a good test. But the Steelers now they are taking
on Buffalo this Sunday four twenty five, kickoff at Baltimore
(02:34):
on December seventh. Now suddenly the Monday night game against
Miami looks a little more challenging because Miami has been
coming on. They're at Detroit at Cleveland again division game,
you never know, and then they take on Baltimore in
a you know, flex game, so the time hasn't been
announced to all games game flex games. Heading to that
(02:55):
final week of the schedule. As for the Baltimore Ravens,
you might be wondering what their schedule looks like. Well,
they take on Cincinnati Thursday night, eight twenty game. We're
all gonna be watching, trying to stay awake with the
trip to whatever it is when you get sleepy with
the Turkey trip to fan or whatever something like that. Anyway,
battling the sleepiece to stay up on Thursday night, and
(03:18):
then they get sort of a mini by and the
Steelers have got a couple teams on minibis, they get
a bit of a mini bi and then they take on,
of course, the Steelers on December seventh. Then they're at
Cincinnati on December fourteenth, and it'll be very interesting to
see where the two teams stand, the Steelers and the
Ravens at that point on the fourteenth. After the game's
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on the fourteenth, because we just mentioned the Steelers schedule,
the Ravens have New England, They're at Green Bay and
then at the Steelers to conclude their season. So the
schedule is certainly interesting for the respective teams as they
head down the schedule. But of course, you know, if
you break it up into a little mini bite sized piece,
is these next three games and then those last three
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games for both teams max is gonna be interesting. As
these two teams said down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It was maybe you know, the schedule makers love when
their plans come together. They love when you know, the
diabolical nature of how they create these schedules comes to
fruition this time of year and moving into the final
month in December, slash that tail game on January at
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the beginning of January, and I think you kind of
laid it out really well and you talk about, you know,
being able to put this into almost like half's first
and second half of this six games. You know, how
do you split those three and three two in ones?
(04:56):
But really it starts with just just going one to
oh for the week, right, I mean, that's right, that's
the goal. You just have to have very very short
term visions and short term minds that I'm just trying
to put myself in this little silo and it's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
(05:21):
game day. That's all I can think about. That's all
I can think about. Well on today Tuesday obviously, but
they're off day. But as far as work prep, getting
ready and showing up, you know, you put yourself in
those little you know, five four to five day windows
and say, okay, for the next four to five days,
(05:42):
I'm committing to this and I need to be all
about that for that short amount of time. Remember saying
fourty five days can here four to five days boom,
Just be locked in just for that and only that.
Your film study, your your rehab and your prehab, how
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you take care of your body and you know, getting
the right amount of sleep, putting the right things in
your you know, your nutrition, putting the right things in
your mouth. Right. All of these things are what you know,
go into that process on top of extensive video watching
(06:27):
and notes because you can't get enough physical reps this
time of year, and you've got to supplement digitally, visually, verbally.
You've got to use another element outside of the physical
to get yourself ready for a game. So I think
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when I look at that and I think about, you
know where this team is. You know, we could be hard,
as hard or as light as we want about the team.
The reality is we are in a better position than
a lot of other people. Future still in our hands
and we control it. You just got to just come together.
(07:12):
Like you said, it's a small thing with the consistency,
but it's also a huge thing right because other teams
can't do it or don't know to do it. I
believe this team does now understand what that means and
what that looks like, and it should be something that
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they should use as a positive block right now communication
or within the symmetry of the team. But it can
be whittled away, it can be chiseled away, it can
be worked on, it can be improved. It's but you
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have to have that desire inside of you. That's what
it comes down to. That's something I see it at times,
so I know it's capable. As don't know if they
know why. You know the rabbit ears has the aluminum
foil on it. Now all of a sudden, I was
getting a clear picture three days ago, Kanger. But now
(08:16):
all of a sudden, man, you know, I got pee
wee back there trying trying to mess with it, you know,
and and get and get the signal just right, so
we can watch this tube some just something, just one
little thing. And I hope they figure that out, because
you do not want to in the end come out
(08:38):
and say, man, we should have been playing in January,
or if I just would have done this a couple
of weeks ago, we would have been this like no
no stern unturned. So agreed.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Now, let me ask you a question, because you know,
fans sort of see this from a different perspective perhaps
than players do. Right, So I'm gonna take you know,
we check it in the power rankings this time of year, right, well,
this time of week, every week, and what does the
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rest of the league think about the Steelers? And by
the way, the athletic we're looking at them. The Athletic
had them, I think higher than anybody had them thirteenth,
and they've tumbled down to eighteen. Just so you know,
taking on the bills, who're back in the top ten
according to or in the top ten according to the Athletic,
So six and five teams fifty percent chance ish close
(09:42):
enough of making the playoffs historically since they started keeping
track of these things some twenty five years ago. Thirty
five years ago, the Athletic says, our playoff simulator gives
the Steelers a twenty percent chance of making the postseason.
Twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's it, max.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
If you are a player. Do players you actually use
that sort of thing for motivation?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I remember it wasn't that long ago that people used
to They always say, well, we don't pay any attention
to that stuff, And then you start hearing athletes say,
well nobody thought we could do it. I'm always wondering
who that nobody is. But in this case, when somebody
says twenty percent chance of making the playoffs, and you
know that statistically it's higher than that, what they're saying
(10:29):
is you've got a tough schedule and we don't think
you're good enough to make the playoffs. Well, teams players
use that as motivation. Is it a case by case
basis team or player wise or is it just ignored?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Uh? I think I think I largely is ignored because
you know, anything that's going to be not favorable or
you know, kind of kick them while they're down type
of process. And that's where we're at right now. You know,
we just took that loss. Can't get can't see them
to get a street going. You know, people want to
(11:06):
you know, they'd rather pour gasoline on this fire, stay
of pouring out some type of retardant to slow slow
the flames. So you can't really read media right now.
You can't really listen to a lot of the outside
noise because you kind of have to go into this
circle the wagons, huddle up and and keep yourself in
(11:30):
tunnel vision. So you want to talk surround, eat, drink
with people with the same goal in mind, and by
goal I mean the same team goal in mind, and
you kind of just tune out all the noise. You know,
(11:50):
you find other channels to watch it don't involve sports,
you know, and you you put your film study first,
you put your body first. First with taking care of it,
rehabbing it, training, stretching whatever it is, strengthening and you
just attack that full speed. But it's always done. We
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always called it, Hey, can't you know when they come in, Oh,
do you hear this thing about not? For whatever reason,
that story to make through my silo, right and just
look at him to stare at it. I've done that
a number of times, Ed Bouschette over the years when
I was talking for got none for you, Ed, Now
you shouldn't got none for you, Ed. I mean, yeah,
(12:34):
it happens. It happens better man because of it, because
it will be that that will be the grit resiliency
that you go through when you look back on that journey.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Now, Ed, as you know, is part of the voting
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he stumps
very hard for pittsburgh'steethers and he has a he has
a very influential voice. I mean that is extremely well
respected on the NFL. And this year is just announced
as we take a total leap from what we're doing
(13:05):
to this bit of news that heines Ward is a
semi finalist for the twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall
of fame.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, buddy, what a son. I'm happy for Hines, a
well deserved honor and you know a guy that I mean,
I could wax poetic about Hines for a while, but
I'll just leave everybody with this. I mean, he changed
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the game of football and how wide receivers played the position.
That's it. Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, I mean there's a lot of things to talk
about with Heines, and hopefully we'll get to some of
those things. Because you know, if you look at the
raw numbers again to me, you know, like Rick Tockett
and hockey, you know, got injured and maybe didn't put
up the raw numbers, didn't get the five hundred goals,
came close, had a shorter prime. Maybe that people would say, well,
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his prime wasn't short enough. But I'll say in his prime,
there isn't a hockey team in the NHL that wouldn't
have him as their first line right wing, not one,
because he could do it all. He could score, he
could drop the gloves if you needed him too. He
could protect your players. He was a menacing force, but
a gifted force, just the kind of player you want
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on your team. And I think I could use those
same adjectives to describe hines Ward. There isn't a team
in the NFL that wouldn't have said, we'll take hines Ward.
And he's starting for us. He's starting outside, he's starting
in the slot, but he is starting for us because
he's a tone setter, one of those players. And the
numbers are great, thousand career receptions one of those players.
To me, that is more than the numbers. And I
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think that there's you know, people will make the case
for players and sometimes I think, well, okay, maybe, But
in the case of heines Ward, I say, definitely he
was more than his numbers. And the numbers are great,
but he was more than his numbers.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you know, you sometimes described
as like you know, for look as you know in basketball, right,
it's like, man, he played bigger than bigger than his
height dictated, right, this dude was well beyond his side,
like he played ten times bigger. Well, heines Ward falls
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in that same analogy. When he was out there, it
was it was darn near a cheat code for us,
Like that's the difference that he made because you knew
heines are going to play mostly mostly your slot, whichever
side it was he would get some ISO opportunities obviously,
but you know you're motioning him to come crack the
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number eight guy in in the line up. You know,
you're asking him to hit a double team wedge block
before releasing on a route. You're also asking him to
sometimes take a snap and be quarterback mom. I mean,
there's so many different things that Hines Ward has has
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been and that he added to any given play, to
any given opportunity or moment he has risen to the occasion.
Now this actually might be catching him, you know, a
little well, not a little bit off guard, because I
think he was a SEMLI finalist last year, and I
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don't think the year before. I think, no, he might
he might have been SEMI. I don't think he's gotten
finalists yet. So you know, this will be a little
bit different, and you know, I wish him the best.
I think, you know, it's overdue for him because he
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is such a dynamic guy. You know, the receivers at
ASU right now, Jordan Tyson was one of the top
wide receivers in this year's draft. I mean, he talked
about just how much he grew as a player, how
much he grew as a man and just being all
involved with with the process and how he's falling in
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love with coaching and his players are starting are appreciating that.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So we're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to
the Hall of Fame class up next for you and
get it to the great Alvaro Martine. He's gonna join
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Speaker 4 (18:12):
William I didn't think.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I don't look up.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I want to talk to a Pittsburg sold Yeah, you
touch down, but perk Dodge down pot of Pittsburg.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
DJ one Nicky Herd recorded Touchdown. Come.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I have to ask, because we we have the Great
Alvarro Martine on with us, how do you describe a
fumble recovery Alvarro.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Just saying, so Doyle blon, he sort of lost, gave
up on the ball, and then uh, you know, touchdowns, touchdown,
Roose are the good old days in that game?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
The first half the good.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Old dates they were?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Alvro Martine, the great play by play man on the
Spanish speaking broadcast for the Steelers and of course NBA uh,
just a phenomenal person and broadcaster joining us now Alvaro
of you know, I've been talking a little bit about,
you know, the Steelers record and where they are right now,
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and knowing that, you know, in three of their losses
at halftime against Seattle, Green Bay and Chicago, not only
did the Steelers have the lead against those free playoff teams,
but they got the ball first to begin the second half.
And this this sort of inability to you know, sort
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of put the hammer down in the third quarter is
something that I think needs to be rectified if this
team's going to be able to live up to its potential.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Indeed, Robin, good morning to you. In the third quarter,
they averaged three point one point score per third quarter.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
That's the lowest in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
And they also have a streak of sixty games in
which they failed to score more than seven points in
the first quarter. Then you see the game after the
Chargers game when they meet Cincinnati, and they are as
crisp on that in that opening series as you can get.
I mean, they look like a killer team. So they
are capable of doing that. It's just that we see
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them very rare. We see that very rarely, and typically
come it comes after a loss or kind of a
subpar game and they kind of boot up again and
get get sharp. The in ability to sustain is something
that that be devil's this team. I don't know if
it's what exactly is the issue.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
To me.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
To me, it comes down to there's there's some mistakes
you make because you're eager, you invade the neutral zone,
you get a little jump on the on the count
and you you're off side as a as a defender,
you know you don't like them, and they hurt you
for sure like any other but at least you kind
of look at them and go, Okay, they come from
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the right place. But then there are others that are
just lack of concentration.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And it says to me that.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
If I make that mistake on the team, I'm in
right now it's going to cost us the playoffs. I mean,
there's just no, there's no. The lack of concentration sort
of does not match the position the team is in.
There are a lot of teams that know, hey, we
don't have a lot of margins for erson, and they
play that way. Some of them don't have a lot
of talent, but they play with the right focus with
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their limitations and talent, but with the right focus. To me,
talent doesn't seem to be an issue in this team.
Concentration is sustain concentration. They can do it at times.
Look at that play you just aired. That was an
unbelievable play, but it's how do you sustain it. The
other example that I give is you're down ten, you
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need two scores firteen minutes plus almost fifteen minutes to
go almost.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
The entire fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
But I'm going to read you the seconds that we're
expired between plays on offense for Pittsburgh, where I think
a quick setup would be fifteen seconds, a really quick
second would be twenty seconds.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Anything after twenty five it's a little slow.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Here we go thirty six, twenty two, forty two seconds,
forty one seconds. That's almost a minute, thirty nine seconds,
then twenty two, thirty two, twenty seven, thirty nine, thirty
and thirty four. When you're down three thirty one twenty
eight from first to second down forty four seconds went by.
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This is when it's down to like four minutes. You
still had your three timeouts thirty six seconds, twenty nine,
twenty eight, and then of course afterwards you really have
to operate quick. But at that point you had no timeouts.
And that's just one example what I thought, where's the
urgency here? We're down two scores, Chicago may even score
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the way they're playing in the second half. Where's the
urgency to try to get the play, get enough time
for another play in case you need it at the
end of the game. You can always sit on the
ball and kill clock at the end, but with a lead,
it's difficult when you're down to the gauge that and
so those are the kind of things.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
It's almost as if they hadn't I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I can't say they hadn't practiced that, but they were
not aware and they were not executed.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
It wasn't just Mason.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
This could be a combination of Mason and play called
not getting in quickly. I just get the sense of
that and that legal formation play. You can see Mason
the video yell at gain weell on the left to
get over on the other side. The moment he does,
he figured, Okay, I don't have to worry about that,
except Kenneth didn't step up or Austin didn't step up
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to the line to cover the tackle. That's that's crazy.
I don't know, you can't afford that. Those are the
ones that just leave you scratching your head.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Well and Alvro, I think the biggest thing is, like
it's attention to detail, right, It's those little nuances of
the game right if you're it could because you remember,
like Mason was like scuttling Calvin already over there to
that side, or Kenneth over to that side because he
was lined up on the left right, so you had
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so and then you got the play in kind of late.
And that's the problem was that they were worrying about,
was delay of game. Right, you get it, you you
get you get to play in late, and you also
don't have that time out. Remember the James Pierre injury
also wiped out on the final drive, like wiped out
that one time out you could have used at the
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end to possibly if you wanted to do the kick
or whatever. You lost that and James here, I thought,
did everything in his power to make sure that he
did not get a stoppage. He wanted to lay there.
But for whatever is like, hey, situational football, I have
to get off the field to play because it's a
turnover on downs or potentially about a turnover on downs,
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and I'm in a position where we had to preserve
timeouts and preserve the opportunity for the offense. And that
was one that I felt like was was one of
those handful of collection of plays where man one decision
had a snowball that forced forced the team to go
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to a place and and not have the opportunity to
finish the game. And I think that's the one when
we talk about consistency the execution of the operating offense
or defense, that's tough because even on that Dj Moore
DB's were pointing and communicating when the ball was snapped,
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and you know, there was this confusion. There's another time
where I think the dB played played a little bit
too tight on the receivers. They're trying to run like
a prevent wall type of secondary. But they did it
with three guys and Chicago said, I see your three,
I'm gonna raise you to four. And the fourth guy
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proved to be the the the one guy that would
be open DJ Moore, And you know you're left with
the secondary kind of having some confusion and also now
having you know, have it being down one guy. So
I say this to you, Alvaro, can you, in your
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humble opinion, do you think that with two games left
with Baltimore in this season another game with Cleveland, you
know what that playoff picture really looks like for the
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Steelers and the possibility of getting there this season? What
are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Make it simple.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
If you're at six wins, for you to even be
in the in the ballpark of consideration to make the playoffs,
you need ten wins. You need four more wins. To
just keep it real simple. Are you gonna beat Buffalo?
Are you gonna beat Detroit? At Detroit? To me, this
means that you have to beat Baltimore once, possibly twice,
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unless Baltmore suffers a horrific defeat at the hand of
the handle of the Cincinnati Bengals, and maybe Joe Joe Borrow.
You basically are down to the situation where you have
to win at least one of those two games, possibly both,
to make the playoffs. It's a it's a tough call,
very tough call. But we talked about concentration. When you're
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insisted that in a position that the Steelers went right, now,
concentration comes back. It's like, you know, concentration comes back
in a hurry when you when your face with this
sort of adversity in front of you. The Toush push,
the failed one. I don't understand exactly what happened there
with Connor. He was yelling at game well at some
point I understand exactly what the snaff who was, but
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there was no impetus of that play.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And then I didn't hear.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
The whistle, But I thought on that on the one
thing about the Tousch push is the ballcarrier floats over
a bunch of bodies.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
The ballcarrier will typically never touch the.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Ground, They'll be stopped and the whistle will whistle, will
will ring. I did not catch the whistle. I thought
he had gotten through on the second or third porsch,
but hey, no challenge there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
What do I know?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Joey Porter had an interception, but Nick Herbick, you know,
invaded the neutral zone, so get rid of that. Coralis
had a fifty four yard punt to the end yard line,
but Scronic was holding. So right, let's rekick again from
deeper in our territory and then a thirty four yarder
from Corlis after that, you know, Montes what gets at
(29:01):
the trifecta on Mason Rudolph again. But the one thing
about rule, if you know, is and he thought he
had beaten was his internal clock was always a little
longer than it should have been.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
This is one play where you should have gotten.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Rid of the ball one way or the other sideline
or whatever, quicker, but hey, it happens.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It happens on the DJ Moore pass.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
I know that Brandon and Joey deaf and it's I
don't know what the specific coverage was, but I just
it's hard for me to think that the idea was
to have Kyle covered two receivers in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
It's just hard, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
He's good, He's not that good.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
He's not that good. So so some one of those
two guys had to drop and I don't know who
and they were looking at each other and they look stunned.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Like they looked they truly believe that the other guy
was supposed to go. So tough for anybody to say there.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
That formation illegal formation by gain Will got rid of
a twenty two yard scamper by Rudolph. And by the way,
Rulos shows some speed in that run. By the way,
I just have to comment on that. So you have
all these all these examples. But again I go back
to the time between plays. When you're down ten. You
had three consecutive plays in which the time between plays
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between snaps was forty two seconds, forty one seconds, thirty
nine seconds. That's two and a half three minutes, three
minutes in three plays, So that itself had to be quicker.
And you talk about saving your timeouts, You save your
time timeouts with quicker with less time between plays. That's
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how you because you're banking time between plays for later
if you need them, or if you throw a long
pass and you have to kind of hustle up to
the line and it's going to take a few extra seconds.
So if you have these short plays, you know, just
get back in the line quickly. And that awareness wasn't there.
And that's the part of concentration that you wonder. You're
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down ten, you're not up you're not down three, or
you're not up three, you're down ten. In the second half,
and by the way, Caleb Williams looked very good in
the second half, it only goes to show the moment
that kid figures out everything he needs to figure out,
oh my, that's gonna be a load. There's no guarantee
of that happening, but that that will be a very
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difficult thing to be when that kid figures it out.
He did in the second half. He got rid of
the ball quickly, he was decisive, but he made some
throws that just leave you also stunned, like what was that?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
What?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
What's what's the point of that? When he figures it out?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, seriously, No, I we agree.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
We were saying the same thing. He you know, uh,
for years, I thought inaccuracy was one of those things
al Barrow that couldn't be fixed at the NFL level.
Was the knock against several quarterbacks, including Josh Allen. Well,
Allen seems to have figured it out pretty well from
from college to the pros. And that's the I would
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say that's the one knock on Caleb Williams. He's he's
extremely mobile, he's got a great arm. He made some
very good throws in this game, but he made some
head scratchers too, and he does that every game.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
It's not like he throws it at the feet of
the receiver or he throws it in the direction that
basically goes out of bound. It's a bailoup throw. It's
a head scratcher.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
What was that.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
There's no primar reason to that throw. He's gonna start
cutting them down because Ben Jonson's gonna make sure that.
By the way, the relationship between Johnson and Williams is
fascinating to watch from the outside.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
They don't they don't talk any more than they have
to to each other.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
The respectful both of them are, but it's a very
interesting dynamic between those two and most quarterbacksually mentioned Josh Allen,
I would assume that Caleben has the same competitive and him.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Eventually get better because they're competitive. He hasn't figured things out.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
When he does, it's gonna be very tough to beat
that guy at home, away, anywhere. But that wasn't the
case in this game. That wasn't the case in this game.
This game had had opportunities for Pittsburgh. What's good about Pittsburgh, Well,
when they needed to, the defense responded at the end
of that game, in that fourth quarter basically two three
and outs, including that play where Timely decided to punt
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from the twenty third your own twenty third and people
criticize him for that. Well, the defense made him look
pretty good and they got the ball back with three
time mounts, so that that showed up. They stopped a
very good offensive team on the ground, essentially at home,
and you can say that their left tackle wasn't there,
and then Jackson got hurt and he left the game,
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and that those were true.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
That certainly didn't help. And then the ground game for Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
One thing that I noticed before the Broderick Jones injury,
I can't remember seeing a game where Roderick Jones was
most left, most uncovered by Darnell or by Spencer, by
somebody else, by Johan oh Smith. It's almost like they're
taking the training wheels off that offensive line and now
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they're using Spencer as a fullback or just in different
capacities than just let's just shore up the edge of
this line. So that's that's a nice sign of progress.
You can say that Chicago's front, except for Montezueat, isn't
that great. Whatever, I do believe there's progress there, and
I think that's fun. Five yards per carry I think
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tops the season high for the team. One hundred and
eighty six yards on the ground. You can take away
that fifty five yard run by game by the way,
that was brilliant. Mark Andrews had done it the league before,
but Gainwell is such such a dynamic run. I was
surprised he didn't score, but the replay was very convincing.
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So there are a lot of good things for pitch
where the only thing is when you do run, you know,
you take longer and you seem to renounce explosive plays
over the air. It's almost like the passing game becomes
a compliment. Let's just get the forty yards meets of
the first down. Let's just do a little change of
pace because we were doing so well. So it works,
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it works, it's a different team. It won't score thirty points.
You're limiting yourself a bit because it just takes longer.
But the thing that strikes me is you're renouncing explosive plays.
You know, you spend a lot of money on three
really outstanding tight ends in Pittsburgh, but they only had
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eight targets in the game. That's twenty seven percent of
the targets. So you're spending a lot more money on
them than on wide receivers, and yet you're not throwing
them the ball and they're not And two of them
are not known for blocking, even though I think Pat
Fryer must has improved tremendously as a blocker, they're not
known as blockers. So there are things that you still
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wonder why that doesn't happen. You know, the choices are made,
and you know the choices means that you're going to
renounce certain things, but there are moments you wonder, well, gee,
in this game, this team is missing three linebackers. They
actually were down a fourth early in the game. They
were just the guy with a green dot was in
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the practice squad. So at one point at part of
this game, and so you just wonder, Okay, what are
we going to do against these guys in the middle
with our tight ends? And you really didn't see much
of that, So you know, again, whether that was there
or not, I've seen the tape.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I can't. I can't. I'm not an expert.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I can't tell you definitively there were some definite opportunities
when we missed them right down the middle.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
But you just wonder why schematically you couldn't take advantage
of that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, they didn't, and they now find themselves six and five.
I've been facing a hugely important game against the Buffalo Bills. Alvarro,
happy thanksgiving to you, my friend. Thanks very much for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Don't stuff your face, gentlemen, don't stop your face. We
still have a season to go here.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'll be stuffy. We do we do well. I'm gonna
sell my face. But you you work out afterwards, you walk,
or you take a nap in between sessions.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
All that. Yeah, one day.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Avro, see you Sunday, my friend. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2 (38:27):
And welcome back, Thanks very much for joining us. It's
going to take a brief moment to talk about the
Hall of Fame class and the semi finals that were
announced twenty six Modern era candidates. Mentioned earlier that Elsie
Greenwood is among the semifinalists.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
For the.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Senior category. So here are some of the new guys
you ready, Max Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten,
Frank Gore any absolute no doubt first ballot no brainers
for you. Larry Fitzgerald, Yep, yeah, I mean, and I
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feel like I feel like huh man, but man, yeah,
both quarterbacks, well, I mean Breeze and Rivers. You know,
I think I think you have to put both of them.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
And Breeze obviously a little bit easier. Has a Super
Bowl victory came in a key time in New Orleans
as well, you know, in the face and and the
aftermath of you know what happened with Hurricane Katrina, and
you know, they were just unstoppable that year. They took
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down the you know.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
The.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Highly esteemed, highly regarded Peyton Manning in that in that
Super Bowl. Frank Gore played forever. And Frank Gore, you know,
was another guy that you talk about just well stood
the test of time. I mean, if Terrell Davis can
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get into it, I don't know how you don't have
a Frank Gore who had the longevity. He didn't have
the Super Bowl victories that Terrell Davis had with the
team that he had with John Elway and you know,
Shannon Sharp and all those other guys. I mean, he
had a shorter career, but he made it in Frank
Gore was the opposite. He was a tank. I mean
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I played against Frank in college, and you know, for
him to have had the career that he had at
the running back position, right, it's just phenomenal. So I mean, yeah, yeah,
most of the guys you wrote in there, Jason Whitten,
another guy a ton of yards you know, was a fixture,
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was you know, the face of the tight end position
for a while in the league during our era. Wow,
there's a lot of semi finalists there, and then you
know you still have to make room behind I feel like,
but oh yeah, yeah, that's a tough class.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
It is.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It always is. I mean, I think it's the most
difficult Hall of Fame to suss out to me. And
by the way, four to eight members, that's that's what
you're gonna get. So yeah, to me, Larry Fitzgerald, and
I would say, breeze out of that. Rivers can wait.
If Eli Manning's waiting to meet Philip, Rivers can wait.
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Not that he doesn't deserve it, but so I got
breeze in Fitzgerald. Among the newcomers. Now, there's a lot
of guys that are that are you know, you have
Willie Anderson, Tory Holt, Luke, Keigley, Adam Vinnit Terry. They
were in the semi final. They were the final seven
players in the twenty twenty five class. Willie Anderson, Tory Holt, Keighley,
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Adam VINITII.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That group.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
To me, it's Keighley. I know he had a short career,
but man was he dominant in his time. But I
don't know how you feel about it. I mean, you know,
here's the thing, Man, They're all good. They're all really good.
They're all great. Uh So, if I was gonna pick
one from that group, I would say Keighley. But but
you have any thoughts, Yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
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I'm just surprised, you know, I was surprised that Willie
had made it to the finals. I mean, WILLI was
a really good player. I had a lot of Pro
Bowls to his name. But will you talk about just
a dominant offensive lineman. I I just I don't see
him as a dominant offensive lineman for the majority of
his career, you know, not like Alan Fanica, not like
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Steve Hutchinson, you know, and the guys I think of.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
In recent years for a Hall of Famer. But I mean,
but yeah, you have to kind of put that put
their names in a hat. But yeah, you're right. I mean,
Luke Keigley was just dynamic. It almost comes back to
the Terrell Davis type of situation when Terrell got in
shorter career, not as not the longevity that you normally
(43:16):
associate with players, but man, just he was. He was
a tackling machine. He was sidelined the sideline, he was backfield,
you know, deep deep in the secondary he was. He
was picking balls off, you know, and and and just
a dynamic linebacker. So I would agree. I think of
(43:36):
that last year stock that made it to the finals. Yeah,
if anybody's gonna make it would be Kekikley.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah it You know, to me, when a when a
player is that great. So in baseball, Sandy Kofax was
that great for a very short period of time. Gail
Sayers was that great in football for a very short
period of time. I don't know how many guys are
in the Hall their respective All Fames with a shorter
prime than that. Now you can make the argument that
(44:05):
Sayers is among the greatest running backs in NFL history
and could play in any era and be dominant. Sandy
Kofax maybe the greatest left handed pitcher in baseball. But
that opens the door for me for guys that are
those guys had you know, five year primes or whatever
they were. You know, if you have a seven, eight,
nine year prime. And for me, I was it drove
(44:26):
me bananas that Tony Eliva wasn't in the Baseball Hall
of Fame years ago. He finally got in a couple
of years ago. But Luke Keikley, to me, I mean
defensive Rookie of the Year, his rookie year and then
the last seven seasons of his career he made the
Pro Bowl and he was a first Team. He was
All Pro, won five of those seasons and the other
(44:47):
two was All Pro too. I don't know how much
more dominant you can be over a short period of
time than Keighley was. But again, you know, people might say, hey,
it wasn't long enough. Oh let me run through some
more of these. Eli Manning, Fred Taylor, Steve smith Senior.
Always had a soft spot in my heart for Steve Smiths.
(45:09):
I just love the way he played. I would have
to look at.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Was tough he was.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
He was another one of those guys that you would
always anybody would want on their team, Steve Smith Senior,
Reggie Wayne and oh Good Evans, Yondah Suggs and Darren Woodson.
And then we have Lomas Brown, Keith Williams, Hines, Ward
Richmond Webb, Steve was Nowski, Rodney Harrison, Earl Thomas another guy.
(45:40):
I kind of have a soft spot for, Vince will
Fork and Robert Mathis.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
I don't see anybody there that's sticking out, you know,
clearly above Hines for me.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
No, I think you're all kind of right clumped in there,
and I think you know, Hines would be the most
decorated of that crew. M Sorry, it's just when you
say the name Terrell sucks, It's just it brings you
up a very pressure sensitive But I mean, you know,
for example, I mean he was dynamic. He was dynamic,
(46:14):
but and he has Super Bowls. He was not a
Super Bowl MVP for seven time Pro Bowl, I think,
one All Pro.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
And then again, you know, now you start to get
Steve Wisnowski and again I'm looking these numbers up. Please
don't think that I've got this memorized. He was on
the Hall of Fame All Nineties team, eight time Pro Bowl,
two time All Pro That reminds me that we have
an offensive lineman on the show, and I want to
ask about offensive lineman. But you know what, I have
(46:42):
a specific question I want to ask you, but it
has to wait because we have our Tuesday with Labs
coming up, which means we have to take a break.
So we're going to do that now, and we're going
to get back with a with a key question for
Max Starks as it relates to the Hall of Fame
and offensive lineman. But we'll get to that in a
moment when we continue in the Locker Room, presented by
your Neighborhood Ford Store and the Steelers Pro Shop on
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