HR1: In the Locker Room Live from Training Camp

Rob King and Max Starks jump start SNR's coverage from Latrobe before the fifth training camp practice.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello everybody, and welcome inside the locker room with King
and Starks, presented by your neighborhood Ford Store. Coming to
you on the Steelers Audio Network. Perched high at top
Chuck Noel Stadium. Max has got Max speak to us
through your mouth guard, police guard. Okay, so why does Max?

(01:05):
Why does Max have a mouth guarded? Because it is
the first day in pads, pads.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Day, Oh joyous occasion.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Are are you as a player? Were you totally stoked
for the first day in pads? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
I couldn't wait. But see you have also remember like
Pad's day for me was literally day one morning practice
at like nine am, right, and we were gonna You're
gonna go into stretch. Individual, You are right into nine
on seven, first thing in the morning with the Dewey
miss that's over the field right now, and it was
gonna be sweaty, it was gonna be muggy, but it
was gonna be physical. So I look forward to that

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first day of paths because I knew like, this is
my first chance to really prove myself, to make a
name for myself on this field, for this team, because
this is where the audition really starts to becoming a
Pittsburgh Steeler. And I can't wait for all the new guys, guys,
you know, because the older guys like a Cam Hayward

(02:02):
to teach it, they already know what this is. They're
not gonna be as excited. It's like this is my
ninth one, this is my fourteenth one.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
It's like, Ah, somebody's gonna try me, and now I'm
gonna have Now I'm gonna have to pull it out,
you know, and have to pull the card on him.
But for the rookies, for the new quote unquote incumbents
on the team, right even a Ben Scronic who was
here on the team a year ago, got signed after
training camp ended. So for even for him, this is

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the first time, he's going to experience Pad's day here
in Lake Trope when he told the story about how
his grandfather they used to come and sit on the hill.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
And watch Steelers practice when he was a young kid.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Now he actually gets to have that full circle moment
and do what he was watching as a child and
be the guy that hopefully some kid out there in
the audist is watching him and gonna keep the cycle going.
So this is this is this is a fun time.
I am jacked up for this.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
You know, ever want to count anybody out too soon
or too late? I suppose for that matter, But are
there times when you know, maybe a teammate And again,
it was different from when you were playing, right, it
was paged right away. And by the way, the NFL
had a big meeting yesterday, a big broadcasting meeting. One
of the things they pointed out concussions way down lowest
they've been since they started keeping track outside of the

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COVID year forty eight percent of reduction in concussions in
preseason practice. Well, you know, they talk about the guardian
cap helmets that are better, but a lot of it
is that there's less hitting in the NFL is doing
this on purpose less hitting, but it's still ultimately you
got to get out there and hit because it's football.
Are there times where you know you don't know going

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through drills or whatever, and then you put on the
page you're like, okay, player X, he didn't have what
it takes. Oh can you know early?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Oh you know very early if a guy has it
or not. And that's that's the reason why it's like
it's tough to evaluate these first four days, the first
four acclamation practice is and of course the fifth day
they were off yesterday, so that's why we're back to
get guys right. This is where the fog really starts
to get hot.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
This is where you start to melt all those different
elements and see if you can make steel. And that
is what This is the right corner of the end
zone from where we're sitting in the press box. The
white lines are drawn, they're fresh. This field looks beautiful,
by the way, considering.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
How first field first in front of us, and we
see the.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Back right corner, the backs and backers backs on backers.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
That's the first blood site. Then the second blood site
is going to be one on one pass rush down
in the near.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And they're happening at the same time they did last year.
I was like, man, I want to, I want the Yeah,
I want I want to. That's one of them is
the theater, the other one is the warm up back them.
I want to see them both.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Man, you know, you want to get their own separate thing,
but they're gonna happen concurrently. And then of course on
the near sideline closest to the stadium of field one,
you'll have the wide receiver dB, stalk drill and tackle
drill where they'll get one on one and guy has
to make a cut a move and the dB has
to try and tackle a space.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
So all three of these.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Things are it's gonna be a true three ring circus
trying to see and the crowd is just gonna be
whipping their neck back and forth trying to catch everything
and give the proper ooze and ohs on these. And
then of course when we get into that competitive seven shots,
that'll be a physical, you know, take to the ground
period that that will have everything all encompassing, which I

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imagine is probably going towards a softball field side baseball
fields up the hill towards the dorms softball fields a
lower one white tents over to the right, so you'll
probably get seven shots in that direction. So it's gonna
be a lot of fun. And we're gonna see if
you really can look like Tarzan and play like Tarzan's
or if you're gonna look like Jane, which is not
a negative, but you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
A different level that's not good. Do you remember who
would have been the guy lining up on your side
who's kind of an alpha dog player? Was it Aaron Smith?
Did you go against Aaron Smith in your first camp?

Speaker 3 (06:03):
So in my first kip no, i had Keemo von Ohoffe.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Okay, yeah, okay, okay, Cuss bron A Cuss oh Man.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
What a nice human being.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Here until he got on the field and he was
a great Yeah at that time. I mean, you think
about Chemo is probably eleven years in the league at
this boy played in Cincinnati, came over and he's and
he has a patented bull hump move where he's gonna
bull you and then he's just gonna he's gonna take
his big inside left hand and he's going to club

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you to all h HG Double hockey stakes.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
And thankfully, right now, Max who likes to bring a
little radio Verite is clubbing me.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Forearms and the fish came up, came up, but it's
a little bit.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
But I mean, you were okay, You're okay. It's like
a little bit closer to the wall, like okay, I
can't go any further than this one.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Did they did they? Were you acting? Did you go
against I don't know how much you recall this. Did
you go against an undrafted rookie first? Or did they
throw you right in there against Kew?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, they did not throw me up against what was
his name, Grant? What was Grant's last name? He was
he was the other like down defensive end, came from Michigan.
He was an undrafted free agent. I can't remember Grant's
last name. But no, they did not give me Grant.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Okay, I got.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Chimo because Oliver Ross, who was a starting right tackle
at the time and I was taking second team reps.
He he got Clark Haagens. Yeah, he got Clark Hagen's
And then when I came up, I got the d
N I got I got a head up four technique
right on me Keemo von Olhoffen, And I'm like okay,
all right. I mean he's physical, he's an older dude,

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so he's not gonna move fast, right, you know. So
I think, now, if I get in my set real
quick and get on him, I'm gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Nope, not at.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
All, not at all wrong. Wrong. Whatever you thought you
were gonna do, just sit wrong. So I go to sit.
I go to hit him in the chest. And also chemo,
because he is an old school vet, he had his
his the front of his jersey double stitched. And so
what that means is I can't clutch. I can't get

(08:15):
up under the paths unless I literally dig my fingers
like an almost like scrape peck muscle to get to
his pass.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
He had he had him pressed down.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
So I go, I hit, and I my hand is
just here, it's not in a grip position.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
And I stone him, right, or so I thought. I thought.
I stoned him.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
And then he got up underneath me, lifted me up
a little bit, and then he disengaged his left arm
and he clubbed me into into the center chuck yakobe.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
And you know, you know, because when you're doing the
drill is one on one, and everybody just lines up
in position, All five linemen line up and you just
kind of take a step and you move off and
you just kind of relaxed. Man, I got hit. I
almost I almost clipped Chucky in the process, and and
and all I saw in the back was Joe Green
just nodding his head, Welcome to the NFL, rookie. And

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I'm just like, holy crap. I'm like, okay, So we
get back up. So they go down the line, then
come back the second time. Chemo's there. I'm ready for
it now because I'm like, he just he just embarrassed
me in front of everybody at practice. So I'm like,
all right, I got I got you, I got it.
I know what the tempo is, I know what the
temperature is. I don't have to dip my toe in.
I'm now cannonballing into the deep end right now. So

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the second one comes up, I'm like, all right, so
I know what his favorite hump move is, so let
me go ahead and stone him and then disengage. When
he disengaged, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna trap the
deltoid muscle. So I got my plan once again. I'm like,
all right, I got it, I got it. I got it.
I go hit him, and he's bullying. He gets me

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up a little bit. I feel to disengage, so I
hit the shoulder. He feels it pressure. Now he comes
with the opposite hand and just and just throws me
aside to the other side outside.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
To like the invisible tight end area.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
So I'm like, god, dug it, I walk I'm pissed,
and I walked to the sidelines and they're just like, yeah,
he does that to everybody. I was like, y'all couldn't
give me warning, right, y'all couldn't give me warning? Like
Oliver Ross is laughing while drinking drinking water and everything.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
He's like, welcome to the NFL, rookie.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
And so I'm like, okay, so that was a bad
first two reps. But then after that, I got my
sea legs.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
So look, I think most guys that get here and
succeed here have to have a great deal of self
belief and self confidence. Was it shaking it all? Or
are you like, okay, I got I got it, I
got the temperature. But now let's come back. Are you
walking thinking, oh my good cause everybody talks about oh
what was your you know, and it's it's kind of
become kind of a trite question.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
But it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's it's still interesting. You know, what is your welcome
to the NFL moment? You know, when when did you?
Whenber You're like, okay, so this is how it's going
to be because you succeeded, right, you succeeded. Was yourself
doubt was there? Or were you just like okay, well,
time to learn or time to figure something out or
yeah it was it was.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
It was a retooling process. I mean, I knew I
belonged here. I knew that I was supposed to be here.
I had the skills, you know, because coming out of
college I played four positions on the offensive line my
senior so so I was like, I know I can
do this. I don't know where, but I know I
can do it, you know, And I think that was

(11:31):
the biggest thing. So it was just like, Okay, I
need to get in the books. I need to figure
out a better plan. That's all I thought. I need
a better plan than what I had today. And so
as you go through you know, these drills and these
moments are designed for you to fail.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
You're not supposed to succeed.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
I guess that's right.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
So I think the biggest thing I couldn't get too
low on myself. And I had another offensive line rookie
with me, a guy by the name of bow Lacey,
so Bo was it was in it with me, and
Bo was over there left side struggling because he had
Aaron you know, he had he had keysl as a backup.
You have to remember Keys was a backup off defensive
lineman team and James Harrison was trying to make the team.

(12:12):
He was the third stringer. So and we had Alonzo Jackson.
And Alonzo Jackson was another one that was already there.
He was drafted to the previous year second rounder, so
I have So it was funny when I got up
the next time after Keemo, I had Alonzo Jackson and
I absolutely destroyed him nice.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I was pissed because he wasn't he was nowhere. He's
not going to be as strong.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
He's in an outside position, which I'm used to versus
a head up because the problem is when you have
a head up defensive lineman, like he's already initiated a
two way go, so you have to make a decision
and force him the way that you want him to go,
but it's tougher because you're already split. You're trying to
create what we call the half man relationship. So you know,

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you want your outside half with his inside half, and
you can't get that when a guy is head up
on you because you're already equal with each other. Whereas
an outside backer a guy and a stand up two
point tight end area or removed you already set that,
so you're getting to the half man from a removed
position is easier. So that was one of the things

(13:14):
I knew. I was like, I know, I'm about to
jump this dude. I'm about to I'm about to rag
doll him, and that's what happened. So that's what I
was used to because I played against four three defensive line.
So this is my first time seeing a three four
with a head up guy and I failed right because
I've never seen it before. But now I have the
information in the old noginator, right, you know, there would

(13:35):
go another wolf liism right there, and I was ready
for the next time i'd see him.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And then I got something I was I.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Was used to, like, Oh, it's gonna be easy, because
I also played against Zoe when he was at FSU
so ire he knew so I knew Alonzo, So I
was like, he's wild, he's tall, lanky, gangly, he doesn't
want contact. So if you take the fight to him,
I have a better shot at being successful. And his
gass rush moves were the same way as you faced

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a grizzled veteran. You're head up, split decision time. He
already has won the rep mentally because he already knows
you're not gonna be ready.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
For what I have to offer.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
So I'm assuming and we're gonna just I'm gonna ask
you an offensive line question. We'll get back to practice
and some other things. New rules that the NFL is
going to be funny this year. Stuff. We might get
to who you're looking forward to seeing and backs on.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Little camp phenom actions at some.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Other different things. But how do you make sure, Like,
as an offensive lineman, you don't want to be I
would imagine you don't want to be reactionary, but there
are times where you're forced to be reactionary. So if
you know, we hear about pass rushers and the different
moves that they have and the different things they can do,
and they're starting with a little bit of space and

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you're getting back into a set and there are times
when the great ones can dictate, you know, So TJ.
Watt might have a bunch of moves and now you're
you're back on your heel waiting for that move and
he reads out and he and he slams into you
and is able to do the bull rusher. What have you?
How do you make sure that you or you get
out in front of that, you get your hands extended
and hit him and aren't just reacting to what he's doing,

(15:12):
because I would imagine once you're reacting, it goes from
a fifty to fifty battle to what a sixty to
forty advantage him?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, it goes to if you don't have a plan
and pass protection, you're doomed to fail. You've got to
know what that is. And the biggest thing that you know,
you're not going to get out here. Day one, you're
going to be experimenting and trying to figure out what
do they do well? But day two and beyond you've
now it's now on tape, So now it's on you

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to make sure you study that tape to figure out
what is his what is his signature move, what is
his top two backup moves, and you have to have
a plan when you set to make sure that you
take away those options from him and let him see
if he has a third and a fourth move, which
TJ does, and that you can slow long enough, right,

(16:03):
because the biggest thing is a time game. When you
are in past protection's offensive lineman, it's a losing battle,
you know, but you're just trying to make sure that.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
You lose very slowly, right, that's the idea of it.
It's not a victory.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Tactical retreat, yeah, exactly, a tactical retreat and the quarterback
can get the ball off and make sure that you're
not in the back right in his lap when he's
trying to release the football.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
So it's a timing thing. And so you know, think
about this.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's way easier to run forward than it is the
back pedal, right for sure, when you can see everything
that you're going for, as opposed to guessing, because I
have to remember is offensive lineman, I'm guessing where the
quarterback is going to be behind me. I don't have
the little side mirrors, you know, like you see guys
biking on the side of the road. They got that
little telescopic, little small mirror. I don't have that. I
mean I actually asked for that one time in practice

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because of Ben. I was like, can I get like
a little like a little rear view mirror where I
can at least look and see where Ben is, because
you know you'll end up in a situations where you
think you've stone, you've got him, but the quarterback has
like leaked to the left because you've done such a
good job and you get the pressure from the opposite
side and the next thing you know, the defensive line
was like reaching over your shoulder trying to grab it.
You're like, what are you doing.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I'm like, oh, shoot, he's right behind me.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
So you know, there's those type of moments, especially with Ben,
where you wish you had side view mirrors, but you're guessing, like,
I know the quarterback is gonna line up seven to
eight yards deep when he hits the back of his drop,
depending on if it's a three, five or seven step
drop right.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
And I know he's supposed to be in the middle
in the back.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
So my job is a tackle. I am responsible for
the width of the pocket, center and guard responsible for
the depth of the pocket.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
So how much a quarterback can step up.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
My job is to create lanes sideways for him to
operate and move. So you're thinking, okay, as long as
I keep this guy wide, I you know, I either
run the hump and let him go ten yards deep
because the quarterbacks had eight. So we call it running
the hula hoop because that's what the d lineman drill
to do, that big hula hoop ding drill. So you think,
in your mind, I got to make him run the

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hoop at ten and my quarterback should be clear. But
then there's those moments where you're stone them. You think
you're doing a good job, like I'm not even gonna
let this dude get a get a pass rush in
because I've gotten into his pads, and then the quarterbacks
standing right behind you, and you're like, what the hell
you know?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And if a guy tries an inside release on you,
that's that's beautiful because if if you block him, you've
done both.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I've done both, and now I'm getting the quarterback the
whole quote unquote left side of the field if I've
been left tackle, right side, if I'm a right tackle,
and he now has even more room to work with
because you've taken quote unquote the sideboards off right, the
guy chooses. That's why d line is like, if you're
gonna go inside, make sure you hit home and you
don't allow the quarterback to leak out.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
So interesting now in and you know, draft time comes
and every fan now becomes.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Like a draft expert.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Ye, all their picks, you know, and everything.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
He has thirty three and seventy eight inch arms and
all this other stuff. You know, forget about the cone, dud.
I just want to ask you about the size because Max.
I don't know if you guys have seen Fantastic four,
but Max, Max has got those those long arms. When
they stretched out plastic arms, they can keep going. I
don't know what you're I think you're in the You're
in the museum, right, is that?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah? I am?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
That's your that's your longest wingspan? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
What was what was your wingspan?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
It was something over seven feet?

Speaker 4 (19:17):
It was it was it was it was over that wow?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean it was.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I want to say it was close to like I
remember eating like a normal nine or something like that.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I remember eating a normal wingspan is basically your height. Yeah,
close to that. So I always had long arms. So
I think my wingspan was like six six and I'm
six one. I had long arms, which which is helpful
in most things, right, yeah, a lot of things. But
you had long arms. Is it when we when we
start to go into these NFL breakdowns, and we talked

(19:49):
about the requisite size and this long arm thing. I mean,
for you, I would imagine the ability to get to
somebody even an inch or too quick or does it
make that much the difference? The arm thingers just over
blown a little bit.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
It's over blown, I think a little bit. But it
gives you the precipice and and and the quote unquote
the template to be able to work it in your favor.
Right if a guy, because at the end of the day,
I could have the longest arms in the world. But
if I'm catching everything, I've taken that away, right, right,
So my advantage becomes a disadvantage because I can't get

(20:25):
my hands out, and then you become like a little
t Rex. So it doesn't matter how long your arms are.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
You know, we got to get a came I.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Know, little finger magic, little sparkle action with the So
so if I'm not fully punching and extending it doesn't
matter what what I have arm length wise, right, because
the guys engaged to me. So I take away all
of that. And that's the biggest thing that I think
with linemen, especially the ones that have longer arms, is

(20:54):
punch timing. It's understanding spatial difference, like how far is
he away? Can I really hit him? You know? At that?
I mean better your bag than you It was right there,
I mean good, I mean I could, I could go
up here and just grab the bag and clutch it
and lift it. But but if if I don't, if
I can't judge that distance on how long my arm
is versus where that guy is, and he gets and

(21:17):
collapses my hands and the shoulder. This was something James
Harrison was really good at. It didn't matter how long
your arms were.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I was gonna say, you and James would be interesting
because we have James always wanted to get low, always
felt he was being held, and probably was being held
a lot. I don't know how what else you can
do with that outside arm. Yeah, didn't get it round
his neck, which happened all the time.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, And and he wont and he and here's a
funny thing like about James like when you break down,
like his technique, if he could get into your space
and break that you know that reach quote like when
we see the tail of the tape for.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Boxers, like what's your reach?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
You know, if you can break inside of that reach length,
then you were in a good place.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
And for James, his his.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Whole thing was if I can get your hand and
collapse that elbow, he would grab that bent elbow and.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Use it almost like a sling shot.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
He would use your momentum against you because you're trying
to get it out and as that you're turning your shoulders,
and because he's so strong, especially when you're at a
bent arm angle like pulling he gets to you want
to disengage, but you end up sliding across his pads
and now my shoulders turn.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
He's got the short corner. He slingshots himself around to use.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
It right arm for that, he would yeah, and then
swim with the left and get through you.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah. So he would actually use that inside half and
he would try and grip it here so it shows
your hand is on your chest, but he's gripping that elbow,
and then you would want to try and jerk your
shoulder back that outside shoulder and then he would use
that moment as like opening the door right and then
swing past your hips.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
And now you've given him all the momentum.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
And that's why he was killing quarterbacks and sending guys
and you know, a hospital stretchers.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Did you have any preference of a uh, you know,
James is not a tall guy, lower center gravity guy,
because I think a lot of people would tell you, you know,
you don't want to tackle a guy like that. You know,
there's nothing to hit, there's nowhere. All you're hitting is
a knee or a shoulder, and those are well muscled

(23:19):
and they're gonna hurt. But for a pass rusher, would
you you know, if you can get your arms extended
on a guy like that, there's nowhere to go, whereas
a you know, maybe a taller, quicker guy can can
get you a little off balance and then use his
long arms to swat you away. Did you have a preference?
Did it come down to individuals? It was? It was

(23:40):
I'm talking about body type.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, body type.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I mean I everybody except James Harrison that was a
smaller defensive lineman, no problems like Elvis Doomerville.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right, there's another one.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Well, he was a senters. I used to destroy Elvis
because I would get him and he wasn't strong enough
as James was. Right, that's the problem is that James
was poly pocket sized.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
But he was like a pollpocket gorilla, you.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Like he was just so intensely strong.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
And that was the thing, Like he could get to
that low level because he was squat below ninety so
putting a three hundred and fifty pound offensive lineman, he's like, nah,
I got you all day, But you had Elvis Duomerville
a little smaller, smaller wrist, smaller ankles, didn't really have
the string. I could just shove him into the ground,
like bury him like a lawn dart. So that type

(24:32):
of body type didn't have a problem with a DeMarcus Wear,
a taller pass rusher, but he had.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
The ape hangers man.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
He could scratch his knee standing up tall, you know.
And so he was another exception because he would get low,
but he was so long. You thought you had space
to hit him. But you realize, like you said, you're
hitting a shoulder that's a well muscled area. You're hitting
the near hip and you're trying to force him past.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It was funny.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
We're actually I had a restaurant last night and they
were playing the Steelers Super Bowl forty three run year
and we played the Cowboys and I was watching. I
was like, I was like, just hold on, Max, just
hold on, because DeMarcus where there's a reason why he's
in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, he had. I mean,
he had some great moves and we had some battles
and he would get like one sack on me and
he'd be like, oh my day's done and tap me
on the back and run back.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
To the d I was like, I hate you because
I'll never forget this.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
We were playing him and Ben was working his magic
and I'd run the hula hoop on him and DeMarcus
because he's so long, he literally turned around and he
literally grazed Ben's foot and Ben trying to keep his balance.
He's looking downfield, he doesn't, he's not keeping his feet.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
He gets tripped up and falls. They call it a sack. Right.
I was hot, Yeah, I was hot.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
And he's like, yeah, got paid good game, Max, All right,
I'm done. It's like, I hate you, DeMarcus, but you
so like, those are the exceptions, but like Terrell sucks
plenty of battles. Obviously he'll be a Hall of Famer
as well. Used to beat the crap out of it.
We had some epic battle where we didn't like each other.
I mean, I think we punched each other in the
throat a couple of times. I mean I might have.

(26:05):
I might have grabbed his face mask and twisted it.
He also tore my lcl in the AFC Championship game,
diving on the back of my legs. So We've had
some monumental bats, but I never let he never had
a good day against me. I'll never forget the first
time I was cut by the team after the lockout.
It's coming up to Baltimore week i think week two
that year, Okay, and and he's he goes on record

(26:28):
as saying the best thing the Steelers could have done
for me was cut Max Starks. He's like, he's like,
I'm going to the Pro Bowl, and what do you do?
That game he had like four and a half sacks
and one he was like, I'm halfway to Hawaii and
I was like, I've sitting there reading that. You know,
you appreciate confliments from fellow competitors. I was pissed at
the same time because I was like, of course you

(26:49):
would have never gotten, you know, because your job.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I want to protect Ben.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Even even sitting at the couch all the way in
Arizona and watching that game, I was still getting pissed
that I couldn't I couldn't deive from that guy. Of
all guys, that guy like fifty five for the Baltimore Ravens.
You talk about. You want to get me pissed off,
just bring up Terrell Suggs and anything, and I'll never forget.
We were walking in the mall one day in Arizona
because he's from Arizona, and I'm walking with my wife

(27:15):
and we're I forgot where. We were walking to some
store and I see him and his wife walking in
the opposite direction, and I'm just I start clenching my teeth.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I always say, what's.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Wrong with you? I'm like, there he is. I'm like,
I'm like, I hate this dude, right, you know what
I'm saying. I'm like going through all the mental stuff
as though we're getting ready for a game, but we
are civilians, like we're walking with our spouses in the
mall and I'm like clenching my fists and like gritting
my teeth, and he comes over to me and introduces
me to his wife, and I'm just like, I hate you.

(27:49):
I hate you, and you know, I'm like, I unclenched
my fist and hey, pleasure to meet you. Yep, yep,
yeah yeah. We play against each other. Yeah, I know
Raven Steelers, and I'm trying not to make swalter. And
I introduced my wife to him and all right, see,
all right, see you, and then I walk off and
I'm just like, I have so much pent up energy.
I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
And my wife goes, what is wrong with you?

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I was like, do you not remember all the stuff
that went on in the field?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
And I would tell you after the game and you
watched it.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
That's the guy. She's like, Oh, he.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Seems like such a nice too. He's not nice. He's
a raven.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
He's nasty.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I don't know, he has rabies or something.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I don't know I was making any Avian flu I
don't know I was making up stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I was like, no, She's like, but Max, that's on
the field. I said, it's more than the field.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
I was like, like this dude like tried to take
my leg off and I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I tried to rip his face off a couple of times.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I was like, we don't like each other. And so
she could like.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Understand like the angst and the but I'm like and that.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Then when she started watching games, like after that moment,
she was like, oh I get it.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I'm like, hun, like.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
We are trying to put each other to sleep out
there on the fil like this is now Today's NFL
is a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
They obviously don't go for the blood kept walking.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
If he hadn't come over, oh yeah, absolutely, I'm not
acknowledging him. If it was me by myself and him
by himself, we probably would have gotten a fight, oh man,
because like I man, it's just still to this day,
I know I need to let it go. It's been
like over a decade. But those those rivalry games, I mean,
you everybody lost. Even when you won, you still lost

(29:27):
because you're coming out injured from that game.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah. They used to talk about the record after the
Steelers Ravens. Yeah exactly, because it was it was like
Allie Frazier, you know, yeah, Okay, I'm getting it.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I'm yeah, yeah, all right, So we have.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
We have a lot more come. We're gonna talk at
the backs and UH and backers, and we want to
talk about some of the drills that are coming up.
It's a fun, exciting day, the first day in pads.
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Speaker 1 (30:34):
And we welcome you back to Saint Vincent College and
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So you know the backs and backers has really become
kind of the darling of the camp. Although I have
to tell you I was really interested last year in
watching you know, they had the young offensive lineman Troy

(30:55):
Faltanu and Zach Frazier and Mason McCormick, and how were
they gonna do? And so you know, my attention was
split in watching that. But let's start with and this
year we had the young defensive alignment, right, so how
are they gonna do? So our attention is gonna be
split once again. I believe Caleb Johnson was quoted as
saying he's really looking forward to the backs versus backers,

(31:17):
So that makes says that, Now that makes me want
to see him.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah more than anybody.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Maybe, Yeah, you want to see Caleb Johnson over there
because you wonder who's gonna get drawn first, Because you
have to remember, this is the Mike Tomlin curated segment.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
This is in charge, this is his moment to be maestro.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
He gets to create all of the carnage that has
developed from backs on backers. So I'm just interested, and
I know Caleb Johnson is going to get the worst
draw multiple times, so it's.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Like, well, they starting with Jack Sawyer or a fellow rookie.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I don't know if they started with Jack Sawyer.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
I think they might start him with like Patrick Queen, Okay,
so you might have to do he might have to
do inside blocking first. I feel like that's what they're
gonna say, because you know that Jalen's probably gonna get
Alex or TJ. And then you'll probably get Darnell Washington
is gonna have his moment where he's gonna raged all somebody,
and then Pat Ryan's gonna try his best, And I

(32:09):
don't it'd be interesting to see who who John news
Smith draws. Maybe maybe John U gets a Jack Sawyer, right,
but I mean, but he also might get a Nick
Herbig as well.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, So I.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Mean there's so many fun things.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Or do you start kill Johnson off like a Malik
Harrison a new Guy on New Guy type of crime,
but he's still a vet. You know that's gonna be
the interesting curation that I'm gonna wait, And I know
he's gonna get TJ or Alex by the end of
the by the end of the drill, right, I think
they're gonna warm him up to it to like, hey,
you need to do this and then Jalen Warren. It
doesn't matter who you put against him. I mean, he's
he's his Wolf effectually called him the ballard Buster.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, He's.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Just he and he doesn't have he has zero fear,
you know.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
But I'm also interested to see Kenneth Gainwell, Like, I
don't know how this drill looks for him. I mean,
he's a guy that's known for his pass protection and
also being a guy who slips out in the screen
game checkdown game. So it's gonna be interesting to see
how he does with maybe an inside back or pick
up or if he's got to go edge and he's
got to.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Take that guy one on one off the edge. It's
gonna be really interesting to see. I mean it's gonna
be that was gonna be really fun.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
But you're right defensive line seeing Ya Black on the
inside and Derek Harmon, like how they do battle against
a Mason McCormick against the Zach Frazier, and you know,
you'll have Spencer Anderson because Isaac Samalu is not here Spencer,
and Spencer's been doing a great job in camp so far.
He's a guy that I'm like, man, I you're waiting

(33:32):
for that next jump for him. I feel like, if
he's gonna make it, it needs to be this year
and try and take a starting position because he's that skilled,
he's that gifted, and he can play all five positions
on the offensive line.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I think right now, as we sit here, right now,
he's your top backup at all five positions.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Absolutely, I would. I would completely agree with that. And
I think that's where it's like, Man, you're so good,
you know, you jack of all trades, master of none.
He needs to go be a master this year.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well, it would be wonderful if he's still in assuming
Cimal is not going to be here, and as you're starting.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Left guard next year, that would be great.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Now you're drafting for depth at that position as opposed
to drafting for a starter potent.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
So yeah, I know exactly, So it's gonna be. I'm
gonna keep my eye on him. He's not quite a
camp phenom status yet, but he's a guy the bencher Anderson.
He's going under the radar guy right now to see
if he could make a push for a starting job.
But yeah, I mean, these drills are just gonna be
so much fun to watch. I can't wait to see
DK versus Jalen Ramsey and the wide receiver d vtroll

(34:32):
because you know they're gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
And then of course, I mean that's another one too.
So we're watching that last year and you got you know,
you're looking at the quarterbacks and how are they gonna
that was it?

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Look we're looking at not only Metcalf, but how's Roger
strolling the ball? And Will Howard. We have an idea
about Mason Rudolph. But man, oh man, we there's just
it's too much happening at once.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I know, it's too much stimuli. You know, when we've
gone from not enough right because you're like, ah, did
that guy really break that forty yard run? You know
because because the linebacker pulled up in the hole. That's right.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
The only thing we could really glean is like pass
breakups and interceptions, but the tackling part we can't visualize.
Now we get to visualize attack. Is that really a
four yard game? Or is that going to be a
fifteen yard game for the running back? Do they break
through for the offensive lineman? Now you can actually get
in on the double teams. You can clutch a little
bit longer on, you know, on the second level, and

(35:24):
can you really create that hole? And also this works
on the vision for the becks. Do the back see
the hole properly? Do they set their offensive line up properly,
because we're now in that thud more physical tempo of
the of the game. And then of course seven shots.
Now it gets real in seven shots, right, you know,
and the meals are always on the line. I mean,
we've had crab cakes, we had some nice you know,

(35:44):
bone in ribbis and stuff. But now now the crab
legs come out, not the crab cake, but the crab legs,
and those are king crab legs that are going to
be in there. And now you're gonna get a little
better cut of meat. Maybe you get a couple of
filais thrown in there with the king crab legs. So
you know, the temperature rise. This is like I don't
call it a milestone, but I call it a mile marker.
This is the next mile marker in the progression towards

(36:06):
the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six Pittsburgh Steelers team.
This is a mile marker on that journey where now
we're going to see how guys respond to when things
get a little hot under the collar. You know, I
imagine there's gonna be a fighter to today. I mean,
we have fights and shells, so I imagine we're going
to get a fight at some point today. Now, granted,
we don't have a Landon Roberts to really stir the pot.

(36:28):
He started last year and it got it got stopped
out pretty quick by a guy by the name of
Mason McCory. Mason came blining when he hit justin Fields
on the sideline on Field one here on this near side.
Mason mccormy was like elephants on parade. He was a
stampede rhino at that moment. And I Rob was like,
I don't want any of this, and he gave in
the interview. So yeah, I tried to just to see

(36:49):
what the offense line was at. I'm not gonna do
that again. So do any of.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Those scuffles in your experience, and again we'll circle. But
since you brought that up, do any of them live on?
I mean, there was one I was reading, you know,
just getting ready for the preseason opponents, and I was
reading about Carolina's practice report and Chuba Hubbard got him
into it with a Trevin Wallace or middle linebacker who

(37:15):
hit him hard on a on a on a pass
play and he didn't like it. He came up swinging,
and but by after the practice they're like, hey, we're fine.
Is it always we're finer? They're there any kind of
grudge keepers or is it mostly everything's cool?

Speaker 4 (37:29):
No? I mean, emotion is always gonna run high. I
mean think about this. I mean, you throw ninety five
you know, apex predators in a confined space, which is
the white lines. I mean, you're you're going to get dominance,
you know, type of performances. But at the end of
the day, you know, you look at the jersey. Oh
your says steelers too. Mine says steelers. All right, you
let it go. And I think that's the biggest thing.

(37:52):
What happens on the field stays on the field. It
never goes to the locker role. That's nice. And so
I mean even in some of the fights that we've
gotten into. Remember at one point we actually had a
fight club, like on the team, like when I first
got here, and when you got into the fight, if
you won the fight, you got a T shirt. I
still have my fight club T shirt. Uh well, let's

(38:15):
just say it was number of people, okay, all right,
more than one.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, I mean I kind of blacked out, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Okay, it's one of those one I think I got
into a fight with Clark at one point, and then
then the very next PRT I think I think keys
the one I got into it. And you know, nobody
was throwing like full on haymakers. But it was definitely
a lot of like rabbit punches and like grabbing jersey
and like swinging guys around, almost hockey style fighting.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
You know, you're good till you get to the If
you go to the ground, it's over with. So as
long as we're standing and shoving and throwing blows, everything
was fine.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Hockey the helmets come off, and football there's no you
don't take, no can't hit, there's no place to hit.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
You end up with a Mason Rudolf Myles Garrett moment.
Take the helmet off, right, that's right. That's the first thing.
Protect your neck. I mean, it's number one rule, So
you keep them on. I mean, I I learned the
hard way. As I'm looking at my right hand and
my middle finger, and that's where you learn that why
you don't hit people with helmets on.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So, so Max's middle finger if he put it down,
there's an Isosceles triangle between the middle knuckle and the ground.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah no, and the table and so, and it became
the running joke that it was. Uh, it was like,
if Max gave you that middle finger, he means he
really didn't like you. And it's called the Rodney Bailey
because that's who it was. Rodney Bailey was my teammate.
I got into a fight with him on the field
and I punched him in the face mask, you know,
thinking I was going to get through his face mask
to his face.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
It didn't work that.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
I'm eager to I'm eager to see you get that fixed.
Yeah no, no, trust me, are we gonna get that fixed?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Friend is a hand surgeon and doctor and Nupatel one
of my best friends from high school in college. He
was actually my valiatory in high.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
School and college. That's how it smart.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
So I'm at a Noub's house because I do my
football camp every year, and we all, you know, said
to have a bottle of wine and you know, hang on,
he just he stares at my finger.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I'm like, no, He's like.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Max, come on, no, you're not cutting open my finger.
He's like, but but it would be so much. I'm like, no, no,
a noop, stop it. And then and then like you know,
we would go to shake hands and he's like feeling
like like, man, it's just calcium build up. No be fine, no, no,
I'm like the rate of infection in that small area.
I don't want that a new He's like, I mean,

(40:27):
you're right, but I'm a cosmetic surgeon. He's like, he's
like you you are a walking anomaly. Like I look
at your hands and I'm like they could be better,
and I'm like, no, I said, they still grip, they
still work.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
So I've been asking for a camera on Max because
Max is highly entertaining, uh while we're doing radio. But
now I'm having second thoughts as I look at that finger.
So we are gonna take a break. We still have
lots to work on. This is a really really exciting
day here out at Latrobe, and we're gonna continue to
get into that. Guys. Maybe that Max is looking forward
in particular to watch the touchdown a little bit. Maybe

(41:01):
we'll dive into a little bit more when we continue
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Speaker 1 (41:46):
Welcome back to the Locker Room and King and Stark's
presented by your neighborhood Fords Store and this Steer's Audio Network.
By the way, a couple of roster moves made official
by the team. Cordero Patterson was waived. Yes today, he
came out and let everybody know about that. Also waved
injured Montana Lamonious Craig, a wide receiver, and linebacker Jeremiah

(42:09):
Moon who's been on and off the team and the
practice squad. The Steelers were able to pick up defensive
tackle Dominique Davis. So I think we saw yeah, he
was in the park and then Kevin Folch, the tight end,
and running back Lou Nichols. So those guys are in camp. Uh,

(42:31):
those are numbers that yours truly will have to memorize
and make sure that I have committed to memory. And
that's not enough time, Max. I'm just saying they may
not be here if I can leave six or eight
guys for a game day. Yeah, those are the guys
that you're you know, and trying to get a feel

(42:51):
for that. And you know, I don't even remember last year, like,
not all ninety guys got into preseason games.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Right now, they did not, right, lot of guys did
not play. I mean, what was the quarterback last year?
The fourth quarterback? I forgot his name.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
He didn't get in at all.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
So that oh no, we had what was his name,
the boy John Rice Plumbley. Oh that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Plumblee got in at like I think receiver and like returner.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
But he never took a quarterback step.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So I mean he was a bit of a I
wouldn't call him a camp phenom, but uh uh, but
of camp interest a person, he was a person of.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Great one by the way, conundrum one. Anyways, moving on,
we were in a conversation off air. Yeah, but but yeah,
I mean, you know you're gonna have those guys that
you know, don't see the field that they don't get
any burn because either they're new or you know, they
just they don't fit the scheme. They haven't been here
long and they didn't pick up the playbook fast enough.
You might see him on special teams maybe. I mean,

(43:49):
I would think the guys that we brought in probably
you want to see him more on special teams than anything.
A tight end, a running back and uh who was
the third one?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Dat You not gonna seehim on special teams?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Right? No? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah, he's on special Thames.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
It's a problem.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
So let's talk about Let's start because I want to
go back on, but I want to go round the
field with you. We're going to we'll maybe conclude next
hour with the offensive lineman slash defensive lineman that you're
most eager to see. First of all, do you think
Jalen Warren? I'm sure they saw him in OTA's and
mini camp and all that stuff. He probably caught their attention.

(44:25):
Do you think the legend is that that backs on backers,
that that's what put him on the radar. That's probably
why he's at Pittsburgh Steeler and enjoying a really, really
fine career.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
That was absolutely what got him on the raid because
he's undersized running back. You know, you're like, he doesn't
have prototypical size. He's not Najie Harris, not blazing speed,
not blazing speed, but shifty, right, But the physicality.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Is what separated him from the rest of.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
The field his rookie year. And I remember sitting there,
you know, Wolf and I were sitting right there by
that white tent watching the drill live because we'd gotten
off air. Practice was still in the afternoon, and we're like, man,
we got we gotta go watch his backs on backers
and yeah we knew, you know, Okay, well we'll see

(45:13):
the offensive line because they also do like some pair
drills on field two later, and it's a physical combo
block drill like we on's either one on one passer.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
It's not realistic in our mind.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And at this point it's Jalen Warren on your radar
at all.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
He was on Wolf's radar because Wolf's like, man, there's
something about that kid. He's like taking the lower body,
you know, and you know he's got he's got two
hamhocks back there, you know, all of the all the
you know, colorful words that that wolf would come up
to describe a guy. He's like, it's all built into
like this short, compact stature. So I want to see it.
And so I remember, we're like, all right, well let's

(45:47):
go watch back on backers. So we're sitting there, We're
sitting right by coach Tomlin and coach is calling out.
He's like thirty, like get in here, he's like, and
then and then he called Cole holkom and for the
first one, and he gets in there and he just
he just squares cold right up and hits him about

(46:08):
there's tick marks on the lines when you come out here.
He hits something about the second tick mark and just
blasts him and does not move.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Everybody.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
I want another, no, no, no, get back there. E
Rob calls Rob, and E Rob. You know, E Rob's
just waiting for a collision right like this. He's that
guy that when you're when you're at like you know,
a theme park or the fair, like the bumper cars.
He's that kid that's like like zeroing in and trying
to hit everybody, right, So he gets in and they squabble,

(46:43):
they hit, and then it is it's like a mash
there there. They're going back and forth and e rob
ends up like disengaged right at the end.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
But it's like three and a half seconds. I mean,
you know, they were.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Just absolute, full on, full on, just just carnage and
and they're like ooh, he's like all right, all right, thirty,
all right, thirty gets get out of here. And then
they brought him back up and then they was like
all right, fifty six and thirty heads up, went in
and high Smith hit. He did not move Jalen. Then
he swum over him because he was taller than and

(47:13):
that was it. But it was like the instant impact
like he would thud. And that's where we got ballerbuster
because like he doesn't move. It's like his feet grew,
you know, grew limbs into the ground. Yeah, Like he
doesn't move. And that's how the legend of Jalen Warren
started was that drill right there, and then he was
he became a person of interest the rest of camp

(47:34):
because of how he did on that backson backer. So
I'm excited to see what Cable Johnson can do.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
He says he wants to be a three down back, right,
So a three down back has to be a guy
who can run, catch and protect the three things you
got to be able to do. And so if you
want to make that name and make you steak, steak
your you know your claim, you've got to go win
backs on.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Back, big, big opportunity for him. And then I also think,
you know, as we get beyond Jail and Warren, you know,
like you said, Kenneth Gainwell, you know he seems to
have the inside track for a job here. But you
know you got Trey Sermon, you got to Evan Hall.
There's gonna be if the Steelers pick decided to go
with four running backs, there is some fierce competition. And
this is an opportunity for one of those guys, if

(48:18):
not to become a camp phenom, to at least put
themselves on the radar of Hey listen, because they've all
got a resume. They were all I mean, Sermon was drafted,
He's had some time in the league. Hall was a
draft pick. They've got some pedigree. You better do it
there if you want to be a Pittsburgh steel if
you can't wait for.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Steeler, that that's the place to make you. And then
we haven't even talked about the tight ends. I have
to go out there and do battle, right, but we're
gonna have to do that. After that we'll get timers.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
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